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7-08-26 Hour 2 - Seth Wickersham of ESPN joins the show/Plus, has the Prime Era passed in CU? · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: Seth Wickersham's going to join us in about fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 2: In the meantime, you guys happen to see the audio
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  Speaker 2: from Juju Lewis, quarterback for the CU Buffs.
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  Speaker 3: If you have, I did just be living in an
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  Speaker 3: interesting era now.
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  Speaker 2: And there's been a lot of criticisms lofted at CU
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  Speaker 2: for a number of different things, some valid, some not.
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  Speaker 2: But I just want to see what you guys think
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  Speaker 2: when you hear this from the quarterback of the SEU Buffs.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead the most since last year to now my play,
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  Speaker 3: I'm actually looking at the defenses now.
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  Speaker 4: Last year wasn't really looking at defense as much, just
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  Speaker 4: kind of high school.
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  Speaker 3: Freeball and just out there playing football.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, it's a lot bigger than.
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  Speaker 3: That now, so it should be fine the most. So
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  Speaker 3: we weren't looking at defenses.
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  Speaker 2: We were just out there freeballing. He said, I met
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  Speaker 2: a different thing when I was in high school. But
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  Speaker 2: he's just playing free You take the snap, you go
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  Speaker 2: out and you just sort of wing it is what
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  Speaker 2: he's saying.
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  Speaker 3: How how is that possible?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know either.
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  Speaker 2: And that's not him like taking a shot. That's just
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  Speaker 2: him being like, yeah, this is what we did.
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  Speaker 4: Because you know, compare that to what you just read
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  Speaker 4: in the Peyton article. Yeah, detail, the amount of detail
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  Speaker 4: that goes into one play let alone an entire play sheet.
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  Speaker 4: That's the opposite of what he just said. So you
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  Speaker 4: mean to tell me that the CU offense was based
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  Speaker 4: off of just street ball, But it doesn't.
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  Speaker 5: It doesn't make you feel reassured. But again, he's just
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  Speaker 5: a kid, right Was he accurate? Yeah, he's He's just
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  Speaker 5: he's a very young guy.
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  Speaker 4: Did he use the proper terminology? Did he mean something else?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I find it hard to believe that you
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't have a detailed play sheet and here's the call.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but again, Vicky, they used.
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  Speaker 5: More than one quarterback last year, and so maybe I
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  Speaker 5: don't know, maybe he didn't expect to get it.
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  Speaker 6: I don't mean, maybe speak.
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  Speaker 5: For himself, yes, maybe for himself. Maybe he's out there
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  Speaker 5: free wheeling, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly, kept changing quarterbacks, changing approaches. Maybe that's what he meant.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff like that that feels like
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  Speaker 2: it's come out though, a lot of that stuff that
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  Speaker 2: all sort of points to the same thing of unprepared,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and take what you will. I have a
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  Speaker 2: hard time when it's former players going somewhere else because
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  Speaker 2: there's this combo of it's not so much they're taking
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  Speaker 2: a shot at their former place as much as they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to prop up their new one. You know, who
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  Speaker 2: is the former quarterback that went to the East Coast stob?
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  Speaker 3: Is that him?
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  Speaker 6: Then he stopped, He's the one that took a shot
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  Speaker 6: at he took.
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  Speaker 3: He said something like, I've learned.
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  Speaker 2: I've learned more things in two weeks here at I
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  Speaker 2: forget where he's at Tennessee, Tennessee, I've learned more things
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  Speaker 2: in two weeks than they did my entire time at Colorado.
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  Speaker 3: Like that could be taken.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody took that as a shot to see you. I
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  Speaker 2: think that was more of like, Hey, this is how
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  Speaker 2: great my coaching staff is and propping them up. Jordan
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  Speaker 2: Seaton said something about, you know, he lost I think
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  Speaker 2: twenty pounds almost immediately going to LSU, and he talked
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  Speaker 2: about the how seriously, the weight program is taken there,
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  Speaker 2: so I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: If that's propping up your current place.
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  Speaker 2: And just as a ricochet shot, you take a shot
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  Speaker 2: at your old plays. But a lot of stuff points
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  Speaker 2: back to being unprepared lot, and I think you could
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  Speaker 2: see it in games at times they're unprepared.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I've asked the question before, and I harp on this
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  Speaker 2: a lot, but I do think it matters, man, when
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  Speaker 2: you're when you're not a college football powerhouse in terms
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  Speaker 2: of money, but you are spending powerhouse money on a coach,
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  Speaker 2: you shouldn't be asking questions like this. When's the last
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  Speaker 2: time do you think you had the coaching advantage in
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  Speaker 2: a particular game, especially one of substance, maybe a Big
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  Speaker 2: twelve conference game or a game against a Power five
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  Speaker 2: opponent or whatever. That's the stuff that concerns me.
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  Speaker 4: Can I ask you another question here? Yesterday it was
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  Speaker 4: Big twelve media Day, right, coaches spoke, players spoke. Doesn't
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  Speaker 4: it speak volumes that we really haven't heard much from Prime? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean I think we have heard, we haven't played much.
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  Speaker 4: I guess it's not it's not reactive to play it
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  Speaker 4: because he spoke it.
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  Speaker 3: For sure.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, man, if this was three years ago,
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  Speaker 2: we would have had eight hundred clips that we would
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  Speaker 2: have seen from B twelve.
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  Speaker 3: Eighty days have been playing already.
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  Speaker 5: I'm interested to see, though, what the new OC is
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  Speaker 5: going to do. I'm very interested to see what what
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  Speaker 5: Marian is capable of because I'm familiar with him in
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  Speaker 5: the in regards that he was the head coach of
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  Speaker 5: my alma mater, took a crap team, got him to
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  Speaker 5: a winning record and good stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, He's only at sax Day a short amount of time,
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  Speaker 5: but the sex State offense was pretty prolific inside the
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  Speaker 5: big sky, and I'm just talking about scheme wise and
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  Speaker 5: so on. I'm very curious to see what he can do.
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  Speaker 5: I'm curious to see, you know, how much hammer he
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  Speaker 5: puts down on these guys.
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  Speaker 6: What what this O is going to look like?
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's in in Dion's defense, it had to be.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we know the medical stuff he was dealing with.
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  Speaker 2: He actually was quoted yesterday he said I'd lost so
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  Speaker 2: much darn wait, I didn't really want anybody to know,
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  Speaker 2: but I wasn't me.
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  Speaker 3: It's what he said.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that'll take a toll on you for sure
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  Speaker 2: over the course of the year. But you know, part
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  Speaker 2: of it, Vic, if I had to guess he did.
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  Speaker 4: Remember when I interviewed him, Oh yeah, the most striking
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  Speaker 4: thing to me was just.
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  Speaker 3: How frail he was. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And for somebody who's loud, boisterous personality, you're just not
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  Speaker 2: used to seeing it now. I think, is it because
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  Speaker 2: they went three to nine last year that they had
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  Speaker 2: one winning Big Twelve conference play? Is it that people
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  Speaker 2: are like, all right, you know what, it was fun
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  Speaker 2: for a couple of years, but I can't nationally, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to give you that attention unless you guys
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  Speaker 2: start winning football games or else. What's the point here,
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  Speaker 2: because even I'm surprised by this mode, even ESPN, like
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  Speaker 2: I have, I thought, for sure Big twelve Media Days
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  Speaker 2: Prime speaking, Paul, Fine, mom's got something to say about something, right,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't even seen that.
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  Speaker 5: I'm telling you right now, man, there's no reason at all.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm not I'm not calling all you buff fans
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  Speaker 5: sick of fans, but what I'm saying to you is
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  Speaker 5: that it's reasonable to expect some winning. It's reasonable to
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  Speaker 5: expect some some growth out of this program. At this point,
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  Speaker 5: there's no reason you should be behind Iowa State or
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  Speaker 5: a k State, yeah, or Arizona State. I'm not even
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  Speaker 5: going to talk about the BYUS and the Utahs in
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  Speaker 5: Texas Tech. Texas Tech right now is because of their money.
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  Speaker 5: Influx is a different animal at this point. But there's
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  Speaker 5: no reason you should be behind Baylor. There's no reason
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  Speaker 5: you should be behind Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 6: Kansas. I mean you, with the the.
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  Speaker 5: Assets that you have and the draw of coach Prime,
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  Speaker 5: you should be you should be better. It's just the
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  Speaker 5: bottom line. You shouldn't be a three and nine team
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  Speaker 5: with a conference win.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know?
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  Speaker 2: The most I guess viral is what I call it
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  Speaker 2: viral thing that Dion said.
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  Speaker 3: Yes today, what got picked up?
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  Speaker 4: Let me think.
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  Speaker 3: No, it was a question of why aren't you in
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  Speaker 3: the college football video game?
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  Speaker 4: Oh that's right, he said, because he wasn't paid what
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  Speaker 4: he thinks he's worth.
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  Speaker 3: And he goes, yeah, they weren't paying me enough. That
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  Speaker 3: was the most viral thing that came out of it.
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  Speaker 2: And look, I'm trying to find for different quotes about
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  Speaker 2: different things, and all I'm saying is that Juju Lewis
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  Speaker 2: quote and this college football game quote.
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  Speaker 3: Over and over and over again. What is reasonable to
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  Speaker 3: expect from them?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know who they are. I mean, I'll as
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  Speaker 4: see you fans listening, even the most ardent CU fan.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know who they are?
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  Speaker 6: What they are?
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  Speaker 4: Do you know who plays for them? I could say
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  Speaker 4: that about any football team right now, college football team.
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  Speaker 4: It's hard who plays for your team? Your team, any team,
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  Speaker 4: name a team. It consists of a bunch of dudes
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  Speaker 4: that played for other teams. You don't know who they are.
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  Speaker 4: You don't know what they are.
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  Speaker 2: But what do you if I ask you the question,
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  Speaker 2: what's a reasonable expectation to have for CEO? And I
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  Speaker 2: know you're talking about you don't know the players on
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  Speaker 2: the roster, but just in general, Vic.
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  Speaker 3: Like you got, this is year four for prime And.
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  Speaker 4: My reasonable response is I have no idea. I have
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  Speaker 4: no idea what to expect.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, when a coach is heading into his fourth year,
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  Speaker 2: no matter who's on the roster, that's typically one where
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  Speaker 2: it's like you got to put up some numbers for me.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta do it or else you're on hot seat
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  Speaker 2: sort of thing. I mean, it happened last year with
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  Speaker 2: Jan norvel Right. He went was at year four or
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  Speaker 2: five at CSU for him. But it was kind of like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of like, if I don't see some winning
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  Speaker 2: here and some real competitive football, then we're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: to go in a different direction. Obviously they went in
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  Speaker 2: a different direction. I don't what's so weird about prime
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  Speaker 2: situation in cu is.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We're the line of football sixs and the line of
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  Speaker 2: monetary success collide because I do think that he gets
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  Speaker 2: extra leash on the football side because of that other thing.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know where the university would be.
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  Speaker 2: At, like how bad for how long would the team
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  Speaker 2: have to be before they decided that he was gone.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, the fact that the Rams By the way, my
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  Speaker 5: daughter gave me a RAMS hat. It's pretty awesome. I
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  Speaker 5: think I'm gonna wear it. They're gonna wear it tomorrow.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know where she got it. She probably ripped
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  Speaker 5: it off. But that being said, how excited are we
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  Speaker 5: kind of to see what Jim Moore Junior is gonna
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  Speaker 5: do him?
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  Speaker 3: I'm pumped. I think it's a great.
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  Speaker 7: Oh.
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  Speaker 5: I we haven't really talked. I mean we talked to him.
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  Speaker 5: We zoomed with him on the day he got hired
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  Speaker 5: right or a couple days after he got hired something
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  Speaker 5: like that, and it was he was great. You know,
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  Speaker 5: it's this to me, it feels like an excellent career
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  Speaker 5: right to ride out landing spot that he's gonna pour
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  Speaker 5: his heart and soul into.
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  Speaker 6: I'm excited to see what they're gonna do. They're in
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  Speaker 6: the new.
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  Speaker 3: PAC twelve or whatever the hell that's gonna be.
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  Speaker 5: I mean this, I think that let's not let's not
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  Speaker 5: gloss over those ramies a little bit because it's it's
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  Speaker 5: it's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think that a school like CSU it's the
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  Speaker 2: perfect thing for him. It's a guy who's coached for
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  Speaker 2: a while, that's had success at other places, that's now
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  Speaker 2: getting up there in years and he wants comfortability a
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  Speaker 2: job that is not you need to win ten games
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  Speaker 2: every single year you're gone sort of thing. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's the same thing that's a point to like when
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  Speaker 2: Frank Solitz went to Ohio and stayed there for like
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  Speaker 2: twenty years. That's the best coach Ofhio is ever gonna get.
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  Speaker 2: There's no other Bobcat coach that is going to be
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  Speaker 2: better than that guy. And he's just like I can
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  Speaker 2: coach here forever and have a four and eight season.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing in then an eight and four season and nobody,
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  Speaker 2: nobody's gonna batan eyelash at it.
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  Speaker 5: Look, he went to Yukon and turn that program around,
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  Speaker 5: got his guys in when nine and four, nine and
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  Speaker 5: three bowl games. I'm excited about this man. I think
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  Speaker 5: it's a great opportunity for the Rams, and it's I
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  Speaker 5: think RAM fans should be very supportive and.
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  Speaker 6: Very excited about the possibilities.
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  Speaker 2: So we can get back to this a little bit later,
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  Speaker 2: but let's talk to the man who wrote the giant article,
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  Speaker 2: gigantic article about Sean Payton embedded fifteen days in the
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  Speaker 2: playoffs with Sean Payton. It was Seth Wickersham of ESPN.
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  Speaker 2: He joins us next we will be joined momentarily by
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  Speaker 2: Seth Wickersham of ESPN, who wrote the article yesterday detailing
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  Speaker 2: fifteen days embedded with Sean Payton during the playoff run
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  Speaker 2: and a bunch of questions to ask him about that.
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  Speaker 2: It's a wonderful article. First of all, and all guests
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  Speaker 2: join us on the ramos Law Hotline. Car accident You
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  Speaker 2: need ramos Law medical doctor, attorney, ramos law dot com.
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  Speaker 2: So he'll join us here in just a couple of seconds.
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  Speaker 2: But with Sean Payton and this sort of walk through
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  Speaker 2: the mentality of this detail oriented man that I think
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  Speaker 2: most most coaches are probably built like.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 2: It's a really revealing article in the way the man thinks.
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  Speaker 2: Because we know he can be short, he can be
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  Speaker 2: terse he can be a little bit of a dictator,
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  Speaker 2: but how specific he got on details is pretty nuts.
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  Speaker 3: Turn on a vix mike there. There you go.
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  Speaker 4: You spend all that time with the guy, you're gonna
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  Speaker 4: get some details. And I live for this stuff. I
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  Speaker 4: love long form journalism, my favorite thing to do. Back
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  Speaker 4: in the day, you'd wait for that Sports Illustrated and
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  Speaker 4: you'd get that long form feature article and you go
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  Speaker 4: in depth. And this felt like that, And especially with
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  Speaker 4: a guy in our backyard here who is prickly at
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  Speaker 4: times with the media, to get that kind of insight.
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  Speaker 4: Just a wonderful job by Seth Wickersham.
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  Speaker 3: Again, he'll join us here in just a couple of minutes.
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  Speaker 2: There are things I want to ask him, especially for
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  Speaker 2: somebody who's been around Sean Payton for that long. I
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  Speaker 2: want to see what he gauges his thought process is
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  Speaker 2: on giving up play calling duties. What happens then, like,
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  Speaker 2: how do you think he came to that conclusion?
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  Speaker 3: Because we know.
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  Speaker 2: He's a control freak, like he likes to have his
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  Speaker 2: fingers on anything that has to do, especially on the
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  Speaker 2: offensive side.
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  Speaker 5: His hands are still going to be all over the
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  Speaker 5: offensive side of the ball, let's not.
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  Speaker 3: Let's not pretend that they won't be.
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  Speaker 4: Had you read the article, you would know that he
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  Speaker 4: takes equal pride in helping young coaches become old great coaches.
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  Speaker 4: He looks for those guys and he takes great pride
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  Speaker 4: in doing that in mentoring. So maybe this is an
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  Speaker 4: example of that.
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  Speaker 2: So let's go out to the Ramas Law hotline car
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  Speaker 2: Accident You need Ramos Law, medical doctor and attorney ramas
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  Speaker 2: Law dot com. We're now joined by the author of
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  Speaker 2: that article, Seth Wickersham of ESPN.
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  Speaker 3: Seth, thank you for joining us.
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  Speaker 4: How you doing this morning, gentlemen.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sorry I'm late here, so you need to keep
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  Speaker 7: going after this we can keep going.
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  Speaker 3: No, no total time. Man, your hair looks great, it does.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I got to ask you a question just right
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  Speaker 2: off the bat, because in reading your article, Seth.
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  Speaker 3: I think it looks only okay, there's thank you.
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  Speaker 2: There's one part of the article that I couldn't stop
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  Speaker 2: thinking about, and it was in the week leading up
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  Speaker 2: to the Buffalo playoff game, when there were you know,
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  Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars brought in in front of the team,
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  Speaker 2: when there's oxygen tanks giving out, making a movie from
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  Speaker 2: Everest and putting Josh Allen dying in there with Hailey
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  Speaker 2: Steinfeld as his wife.
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  Speaker 3: Is this normal.
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  Speaker 2: Sort of crazy coach behavior or is this Sean's Peyton
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  Speaker 2: specific I guess.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know. I mean, you know, look, I think
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  Speaker 7: that you're just trying to communicate a point as efficiently
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  Speaker 7: as possible and as entertaining as possible. I mean, one
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  Speaker 7: of the things you realize spending you know, time in
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  Speaker 7: an NFL building, which I say he did, is just
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  Speaker 7: like there's a lot of meetings, and I think that, like,
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  Speaker 7: as a head coach, it's on you to try to
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  Speaker 7: make these things, you know, as effective and maybe as
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  Speaker 7: efficient as possible. And you know, I think that one
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  Speaker 7: of the things that I think about Sean that I
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  Speaker 7: learned about in this story, I kind of knew about
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  Speaker 7: it but I really saw it is you know he
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  Speaker 7: has you know, he has a lot of aspects as
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  Speaker 7: a head coach. He can be really volatile, he can
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  Speaker 7: be incredibly funny, but he has like incredible creative stamina,
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  Speaker 7: and as a head coach, you really have to be
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  Speaker 7: able to think about a lot of different things at
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  Speaker 7: a lot of different times, almost like a Swiss army knife,
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  Speaker 7: and kind of deploy these parts of your brain. And
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  Speaker 7: the fact that he came up with the oxygen tank
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: cannisters to tie into the NASCAR package which is their
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: no huddle, and then wanted to emphasize it with the
• 16:54
  Speaker 7: video and augment it with the video, and he did
• 16:57
  Speaker 7: it all in a very short amount of time.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: You know that.
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: To me, he was a pretty cool moment to witness.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Seth.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: That's crazy in my initial comment, and I've seen I've
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: read so many of your articles and you've done such
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: a good job over the years, but I got to
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: ask you, how on that hell did you work this
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: out where you get to spend this much time with
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: this guy that week.
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: Well two weeks, I don't know. You have to maybe
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: ask Kim. I think that like there's an element of
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: just kind of comfort that he has with me. But
• 17:27
  Speaker 7: you know, and I think that like he's he's he's
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: someone who's not afraid of what he sees in the mirror.
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: And never once did he say, hey, keep that out
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: of the story or we got to like, you know,
• 17:42
  Speaker 7: he let me see him, you know, in moments where
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: he was barking at people, and he let me see
• 17:46
  Speaker 7: him at moments where he was alone on a Friday
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: night before the Patriots game and you know, almost therapeutically
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: searching for one or two extra plays for the game.
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: And you know, I just think it was like, I
• 18:01
  Speaker 7: think that he wanted to number one, show what it's like.
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: It's the closest I've ever gotten to the flame of
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: what it's like to be inside an NFL team, And
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: I think he wanted to show people number one what
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: it's like. But number two, I think he's proud of
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: the program that he runs and he wasn't afraid of
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: letting people see it even if it opens up you know,
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: room for debate, like the fake punt or you know,
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: some of these other things that he has that are
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: you know, they're risky decisions and that they lend themselves
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: to a lot of debate, but he's unafraid to kind
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: of let people know and give them the context of
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: what he was thinking.
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: I when I'm reading through it, and I didn't. I
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: got to be honest with you, Seth. I'm gonna be
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: perfectly blunt and honest.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Hey, he didn't read the article, set I don't want
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: Seth guess which one of us read the article. It's
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: not some one didn't bother to read it because he's
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: not school. Only one person can actually read on this
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: radio show.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: So sorry.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: So I got I got about a third of the
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: way through, and I'm like, it's it's excellent jour an,
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: excellent journalist, excellent writer. And then Brett put it into
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: chat Chiepchi Pacha.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: The problem set was, I was trying to relay this
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: information to the people. So I started reading during the
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: first break of the show, and then I kept scrolling.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I go, there's no way I can get through all this.
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: I had to cheat.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry I cheated.
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: I cheated, but I.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: Feel bad that being said, it was a little I
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: kind of reminded me of Trent Krim with Ted Lasso,
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: But that's that thing, either here or there. Having gotten
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: to know Sean Payton and the control that he likes
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: with his team.
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: We've go over this a lot. How can Sean Payton
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: at this.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: Point you think, be comfortable or happy giving up play
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: calling duties to Davis Webb. His hands are going to
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: be all over the game plan and I'm game damn sure.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: There's gonna be a billion suggestions. But how do you
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: think that dynamic is working out in his own mind
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: for a guy who's so detail oriented and likes to
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: be in control of that kind of thing.
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: Well, and it's just central to his identity, sure, you know,
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: I mean he refers to himself as a play caller
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: more than he refirst to him himself as a head coach.
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: And you know, I was in those offensive staff meetings
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: and you know, hopefully chat GPT was able to accurately
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: recapture it, but in case it didn't, you know, he's
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: running those meetings, and you know those are not democracy
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: at work. I mean, they're not humanitarian courses. I mean
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: he's running them. And he asked position coaches specific questions
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: about things, and he bounces ideas off of people, and
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: there's collaboration, but he decides. But at the same time,
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: if you know if you read it, you'll see some
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: doubt that he experiences. And you know, I think that
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: when you've been calling plays as long as he has,
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: you know the stakes in a way that I think
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: that maybe someone like Davis Webb doesn't. There's an innocence
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: and a little bit of a purity and maybe a
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: little bit of like spontaneousness that maybe Davis would have.
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: And so I think that number one Sean knew that
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: something like this could happen soon. I think the number
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: two he thinks Davis is ready and he thinks that
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: it's the best thing for the twenty twenty six Broncos.
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: And number three I think that like he's looking forward
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: to We talked about the creative stamina to managing a
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: team and managing a game and not having so many
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: things crossing his mind all at the same time in
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: these heated moments at the game. All that said, does
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: that mean that he won't overrule Davis at times? Probably not.
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: Does that mean that he won't think to overrule Davis
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: but will check himself and won't probably so. And you
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: know it's going to be an adjustment and it may
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: not last forever. I mean, if Davis moves on and
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: becomes a head coach somewhere else. Maybe Sean goes back
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: to play calling, but I think he thinks that for
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: this team this year, this is the best way forward.
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: And he knows he appreciated the autonomy. It wasn't total autonomy,
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: but it was it was autonomy that Bill Parcells gave
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: him when he was Davis Webbs's age and learning how
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: to come into his own as an offensive mind. And
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: I think he's going to give Davis that.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: So, speaking of Sean Payton being sort of a dictator,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: and he's earned that right to do so.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Seth Wickersham of ESPN.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: With us, you're you're hinting at the fake punt earlier,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: and I gotta imagine fourth and eleven game on the line,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: it's overtime, You're at your own thirty eight yard line.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: You make the decision to do a fake punt.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: You are damn sure that that's gonna work, and to
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: be overruled by Tyler bidet Is, who ended up being
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: the upback.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Look.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: It ends up working because Jake Onwon McMillan makes an
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: amazing play. But what do you think is going through
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: his head? First of all, if that doesn't work. Is
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: he just on the hit list for the rest of
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Sean Payton's life.
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: I think that the interesting thing is that Number One,
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: it was born out of respect for Josh Allen and
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: the fact that guy was so good, right, and that
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: he's all been unstoppable late in the game. And I mean,
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: if you remember back, the only thing that stopped Josh
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: Allen in the fourth quarter of that game was Josh
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: Allen because he had a receiver wide open for a
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: you know, I think it was the tight end on
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: a cour route and he missed him. So this was
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: the opposite of an impulsive decision in the sense that
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: he had planned for this. You know, Sean plans for
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: various teams in the event they meet them in the playoffs,
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: and how he might game out certain situations. He plans
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: for that over the course of the year. And when
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: he was going to face the Bills, he knew how
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: good Josh was and he was like, I'm not giving
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: this guy the ball. Yeah, we're winning it. And remember
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: this is the guy who was schooled under Parcels, who
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: had the fake pun in the nineteen ninety NFC Championship
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: game against the Niners. This is the guy who part
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: of the reason he won a Super Bowl was due
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: to the on side kick against the Colts. And he's like,
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: I'm doing it and I thought though it was for
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: fourth and short. And so I'm in his office at
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: the stadium after the game and he's kind of taken
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: it in and there's a few things more pure and
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: electric than a team after a playoff win. I mean,
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: you know, you're talking about a massive exhale. And he's
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: talking about all these things that they used in the game.
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: And I was like, hey, you didn't have to use
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: Record Special, which was the name of the fake punt,
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: and he goes, oh, we called it, and I was
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: like he did. I was like, did I go to
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: the bathroom like during that time? Like what happened? And
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: he was like in overtime. And immediately I'm like, wait
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: a second, I thought it was like fourth and long
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: in overtime, but that was it, and he starts drawing
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: it out of my notebook. He was no, the look
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: was perfect. And I guess that during the day's birthday
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: a couple of weeks ago, he celebrated the day's birthday
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: in front of the team and and but he did mention.
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: He was like, you know, he called off this punt.
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: It was a perfect look. It would have worked.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: I wonder why but they called it off.
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I never asked him.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Great question to ask him. I mean, what did he
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: see that? I mean to yeah, over right, to override
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: his own coach. You must have saw something.
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, and that play was in. I
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: mean they were running, they were going to run it,
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: and you know that's again it's these kind of fascinating things.
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: But you know then I you know, he's explaining the play,
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: drawn it up, and then immediately Bo Lowry, who's the
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: team's head of performance, comes in, tells him about bo
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: Nix's injury, and it was like the lowest note on
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: the piano. I mean, everything changed. And so everything that
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: happened with Rutger Special was immediately yesterday's news and everything
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: already the AFC Championship game and how they were going
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: to try to win. That was the clock was starting.
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: It was one of the most surreal moments I've ever
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: witnessed in my life.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Did he did he still have a lot of confidence
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: heading into the Patriots game, because there's a lot of
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: bravado from him where he's like, no, stins prepared, He's
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: ready and we're ready and we're going to do this.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Was that just trying to put on a confident front
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: or was that real?
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: No?
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: It was real?
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: And you know, I think that like if you if
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: you read the story, you'll see that there's two different
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: Shawns really if you look at it, because the Bills game,
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: he's on fire from a creative standpoint, the bravado, and
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: during for the Patriots week he is pushing himself and
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: the staff to the brink and maybe pasted it. And
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: you can look at the sleep scores that he shares
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: with me. You know, his sleep scores towards the end
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: of the week were horrible. And here was someone who
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: was going to burn himself out trying to come up
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: with any edge he possibly could for that game, knowing
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: how hard it was going to be. And you know,
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: there's something heroic about it. There's something maybe sad about it,
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: there's something that's maybe kind of you know, we're at
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: the office, the only we're the only two people on
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: Friday night before the Patriots game, and he's trying to
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: find a couple more plays. He's watching two more Patriots
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: games front to start, front to end, and you know,
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: trying to come up with any new wrinkles he can
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: that he thinks will give an edge. He comes up
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: with two plays, makes copies of him, drops them off
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: in every coach's offense at office, and he like, you know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: this is therapeutic to me. And you know, you wonder like,
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: does this you know what, what part of this matters?
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: Is it getting him to a point where he feels comfortable?
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: Does it matter on game day? And you know that's
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: the that's the part of the NFL that nobody will
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: ever really be able to solve this. To be a
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: great coach, you have to kind of believe that you
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: can help control what's really a random game. And then
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: the game happens, of course, and it comes down to
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: a handful of decisions and you have to live with
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: the consequences of those. And you know, you read him.
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: I'm with him in the office after the game, and
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: he's running through those decisions that he made from the
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: fourth down to Stidham fumbling, to the fourth to the
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: fourth quarter driver where they had the ball in the
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: thirty three yard line, thirty three yards for the Super Bowl,
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: and they couldn't even get a first down, and then
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: you know, he finally says, God, we really missed bo
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: Nicks in that game.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: Fantastic writer Seth Wickersham is on with us. Who wrote you?
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, is it an opus?
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: It's well one of the best features, Seth.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you that Vic printed it out and he
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: laid it out on his he slept on he slept
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: in the story last night. I want to let you
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: know if that's the case. Hey, what I did like though,
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: toward the inter or at the end of it. I mean,
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: I like seeing human beings be human beings, and I
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: know he's a complex and interesting guy. I mean driving
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: around that when he admitted that he's in a game
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: that they want, he's driving around the sushi parking lot
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: for an hour, freaking out, you know, that kind of thing.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: But to see that human aspect come out after they
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: lose to the New England Patriots, and to see that
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: that coach come out where you just relive and rethink
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: everything in your own head, right, it's a very humanistic
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: side that that I think he showed pretty well well.
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: I think that for any of these highly motivated coaches
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: especially from the Parcels Tree. This is the world that
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: they were raised in, is that the losses will always
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: stand out more than the wins. And if you have
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: the losses in the playoffs that Shawn's had, and he's
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: had some extreme ones, you know, you know, it's like
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: those things mark you up and you're always i wouldn't
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: say compensating for them, but you're thinking could that have
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: been avoided if I had just done X, Y or Z.
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: And you know, those are the things that torture these guys,
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: that motivates them. You know, somebody asked me, what is
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: Shawn's motivation? Is it a super Bowl? Is it money?
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Is it?
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's all of these things. But like his relationship
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: with football, and he has, you know, his bad days
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: and his bad moments. I'm not trying to like kind
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: of overly glorify it, but his relationship with football is
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: very pure and it's he he coached and prepared for
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: the NFC Championship with Jared Stidham or AFC Championship with
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: Jared Sidham as his quarterback, the same as he did
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: a mid season game with bow Knicks. And I mean,
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: you know, it is in a lot of ways it's
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: a narcotic, but a lot of ways it's it's you know,
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: the pure expression of how he sees himself and the
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: team playing out on Sundays. And you know it's not
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: just him, there's you know a lot of the coaches
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: have the same ethos, but you know that's what kind
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: of motivates them. And it is again, you know, the
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: story is you know, it's kind of a Greek tragedy,
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: and you know that hopefully people kind of fans will
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: see they'll have a window into like what it takes
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: to try to win at the highest leverage moments in
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: America's most popular game. Seth.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: I can't wait for September. I know you have a
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: collection of your work on ESPN coming out. It's a
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: titled be on That Hill, and this piece will be
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: in there, so I can't wait.
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: To read it.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: I just have one one last question for you, and
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: it's it's about coaching in general, because not many people
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: get to see that side of it. You describe some
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: of these meetings late at night where the assistant coaches
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: are doing what they're damned just to keep their eyes open, right,
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: they want to be there, and these other coaches are
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: just they're listening to Peyton, but they're now really paying attention.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: They're just agreeing with them. Why the hell would anybody
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: want to be an NFL coach?
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: What?
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: I think, there's nothing like it. It's a puzzle. It's
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: such an intellectual challenge that I think that that appeals
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: to them, and I think they like being around the
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: players and being around a team. But like, you know,
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: those skull sessions are so wonky, and you know, there's
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: a point where diminishing returns set in for the assistance
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: because they have work to do after those meetings, whereas Sean,
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: you know, he he sets his own schedule a little
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: bit more. But like you watch these guys and like
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: I was there after they win against the Bills, and
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: it's the combination of it takes everything. It takes, you know,
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: plays that they prepare for, prepared for, plays that they
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: drew up in the middle of the game, execution by
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: the players, all of these things, and I mean, I
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: think there's nothing like it for them. And you know,
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: it's again, you know, we maybe not to veer too far,
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: but you know, we were living in interesting times where
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: people question everything that they see and they read sports
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: are pretty pure, and when you're a coach, that's about
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: as pure and as alive as you can get. And
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: I think that like that moment means so much to them.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: But it comes with the price sleep.
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: He oh yeah, family totally.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: All three of.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: Those things go bye bye when you work in this field.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, I get seen the piece you wrote.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: They don't have normal lives. You give that up.
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: You have to, yeah, And I mean not only that. Again,
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: it's Sean's atypical in the sense that he's a night owl,
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: and so I was with him all those days. After
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: midnight he picks up steam like few things I've ever witnessed.
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: I mean, it is something. It's a sight to behold.
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: I never saw him yawn or even a peer tired
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: from midnight till two thirty in the morning. I mean
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: the other coaches, by and large, you know, not all
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: of them, but a lot of them are really, you know,
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: trying to stay awake and stay engaged. Because again, it's
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: Sean running these meetings. It's him thinking out loud and
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: processing out loud and drawing things up and asking for
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: feedback and then thinking more. They can spend an hour
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: on one play sometimes and you know, again that part
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: of it you have to really really love. I'll be
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: interested to see if Davis's web being offensive coordinator, if
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: they have meetings like that, or if it's more traditional,
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: you know, where they meet earlier in the morning rather
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: than late at night. That'll be interesting to see, you know.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: From my point of view, did it jack your sleep
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: schedule up following him for two weeks?
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, look, I'm not going to pretend that
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: I understood what was going on in those meetings, and
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: you know, I would stand up because you have to
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: stand up, you know. I mean, like I'm a morning person,
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: so like I was never sleeping in a whole lot anyway.
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: But like, you know, that's the way that he works,
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: and he knows that it can be on the guys,
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: but he's he's been through that and at the end
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: of the day, you know, he's ultimately responsible for the result,
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: and that's the way that he works.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: Did anybody ever walk in with you there and say,
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: who's this freak? What's he doing?
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: I was there periodically during the season, so I think
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: that the coaches were kind of used to me, you know,
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: And but like I think there was a little bit
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: of like, you know, you know, is he what's he doing?
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: You know, is he writing a book? You know, I
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: wasn't writing a book, but like you know, and then
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: after a while, I'm just kind of part of the wallpaper.
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: And then after a while after that, you know, there's
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: times when I left the meetings at you know, eleven
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: thirty or whatever, and I'd see the coaches the next
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: morning in the hallway and they're like, you know, couldn't
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: hang Like, you're right, I.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Couldn't seth Wickersham ESPN. Great article on Sean Payton right
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: there on ESPN dot com. Also Beyond that Hill, give
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: us like thirty seconds on that. What do you got
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: for be on that hill? What's that all about?
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: Well, you know, it's a collection of my ESPN work.
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: It's kind of like the greatest Hits for writers. And
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: you know, the first thing you think is like, do
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: I have any hits? I do I have any grades?
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: And then you know, you go through your career and
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: you pick the stories and I think that like the
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: stories add up to tell a bigger story that I think,
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: you know, hopefully illuminate something big about sports and our
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: culture and the country even and you know, when I
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: come up with that, I'll let you know and I'll
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: bother you to be on your show. How about that?
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: There you go, love the best, Thank you, Seth, appreciate
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: the time.
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: Good to see you guys.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Seth Wickersham, ESPN. Oh, by the way, can me a
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: way next? Oh, by the way, stories around sports in
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  Speaker 2: the world we feel you should be aware of. By
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: the way, shout out to Seth Wickersham of ESPN for
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: just joining us. A great conversation that will be up
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: on the podcast shortly, so if you missed it, stay
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: tuned for that.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: I'll start you realize the Pittsburgh Pirates had lost nine
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: Paul Skemes starts in a row.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Jesus.
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: The last win that they had until last night was
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: against the Rockies on May twelfth.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how about that?
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: Well, what happened last night, wasn't that, Skeens, That's not
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: That's not the biggest story. Ryan O'Hearn last night had
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: ten orbi vic He had a grand Slam, a three
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: run homer and a three run homer, ten runs batted
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: in in one game in six innings.
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: He went he went insane last night.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Did you see what Skeen said about it no listen
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: to this.
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: Like to see that performance from Riots. I mean, I
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: think it was kind of selfish, to be honest. Everybody
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: else was getting on, and then you know, home runs
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: are rally killers. You had a three run home run
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: or a Grand Slam, and it's just like what now
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: you know there's nobody on, nobody, nobody can drive him in,
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: So you know, good for him, I guess.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: But that's funny, that's really that's really funny, pretty selfish.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Home runs are rally killers. Everybody gets on, you drive
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: them all in. What's the next guy?
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: So it's a new franchise record, ten r behind a game? Vic.
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: How about some of these names that have played for.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: The Pace Let me try, Let me try and try.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: I love this.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: Just all the greats Stargel, Willie Stargell, Dave Parker Hose,
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: Dave Parker Hose, Barry Barry Bonds.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Who else? How many more names?
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: Roberto Clemente of course, how about Honus Wagner, Ralph Kiner, oh,
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: Ralph Heiner. None of these guys ever did what Ryan
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: O'Hearn did last night.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Oh good for him, I guess, so good. That's a
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: good teammate. By the way, that's a great teammate.
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: By the way, did you see and correct me if
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I'm wrong here? Most because I think I'm reading this correctly.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Rush is allowed to compete in international games again. Well,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: we see potentially playing for Team Russia in some upcoming.
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: He'll be too old.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: The International Olympic Committee Executive Board has provisionally lifted the
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: suspension of Russian Olympic Committee that had been in effect
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: since October of twenty twenty three.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: So that'll be for what the twenty twenty eight Olympics.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: Correct, Yeah, but does that mean that's summer summer games?
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Do they turn the four nations into like six nations
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: now and add another team in there?
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: I don't.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: I think Ov's going to be done by the time
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: the four nations. I'm just saying.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: But for Russia's sake of participating in this stuff, there's
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: plenty of Russian players.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, just because the IOC lifted the band
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: doesn't mean the NHL is or hockey is the IIHF. Oh,
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: by the way, did you guys hear about the latest
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: writer who is now joining the craft. He writes about
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: Tim Bontemps, who works for ESPN He's the guy who
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: annually comes.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Up with that MVPVP tracker.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he does that every year. He is now joining
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: the in a Hawk's front office. His new role will
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: be strategic Advisor to the GM and President of Basketball Operations.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: So I asked this, If Tim bon Timp's can do it,
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: why can't Brett Kane, Brett, what job do you want
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: front office wise in sports?
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: I want the.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: I want like the assistant to the GM thing that
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Cogliano has right now, I think that sounds fun again,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: it's it feels like I'm not saying that Cogliano doesn't
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: do anything.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: But you want hockey?
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: If that would that be your sport? Or No?
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I would love baseball. I'd love going to
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: the park every day.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Want to be an assistant. I don't want to be
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: the guy actually in charge. Like I said, I want
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: the illusion of power, not the actual first coach.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: No, because then you gotta do something.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: I want to walk around like the sweet area, the bot,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: like I would what Billy Bean does. Every time I
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: watch Moneyball, I'm like, God, I want a job in baseball.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: So bad game starts, he just goes and gets a
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: workout for a.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Little bit, you know, like that sort of thing.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Everybody wants a job in pro sports. But if you
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: read this article, which you guys didn't, if you read
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: this article and you see how much time these coaches
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: assistant coaches spend in the office at night to the
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: wee hours. Again, not all these coaches make millions. Some
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: of these young assistants are making very little. I couldn't
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: fathom wanting to do that, spend that much time.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: No, I don't want those hours.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: I'd want too well, I'd like to own a Formula
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: one team.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: That'd be kind of cool.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: Own a team that's not exactly a front office job.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: That'sh No, but you travel the ward, go to Monaco,
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: you're paying Yeah.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: How about that? Can I be minority owner for a team?
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Can I do that? Canuys walk around the building like
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: it's mine?
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: So you don't want to wear a uniform. You don't
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: want to be in baseball. You don't want to have
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: a uniform on. You want to have a suit on
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: walking around?
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: No?
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: No, soolo, No, I want to look like the dude
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: who owns the Utah Mammoth. Oh with backwards tack, backwards hat,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: the hoodie. I want to look like that with whatever
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: job I can have.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: What about if you are a special assistant to what's
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: her who owns the Hawks?
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Perfect?
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, that is perfect, absolutely exactly what I was looking for.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: I don't want actual power.
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: What's the name of the chick from the Lost Boys?
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Vic? What's her name?
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: I don't care?
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: You got any more over by that?
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Ways, I forget her name? Uh No, we should probably wrap.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: I got one. Okay, go ahead.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: This is from the text line five zero five zero.
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: By the way, I got to say that it's pretty
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: embarrassing not to have read the article before having the
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: guy that wrote it on the show. I would be mortified.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Any fan base should be excited to have such an
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: in depth look behind the curtain. Let alone give you
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: more insight from the author on the radio. Good work, Vic,
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: I did read the article.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: I read it. Been trying to tell you.
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: I read a lot of it too, I said.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: But what I did was, and this is what I'm
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: ashamed of.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I skimmed the areas that chat GPT already laid out
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: for me, so I cycled through those I did do that.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: We live in a generation now where these kids are too.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: You guys are that. You guys are the problem. Too
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: cool for school. I don't need to do the work.
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: Why bother?
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: That's what you guys are. That's what you guys. That's
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: the that's what you are most I don't.
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: Need to do the work.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Who does the work?
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: You know what? Motion, that's who you are.
• 42:22
  Speaker 9: Anthema, You're you're bringing up my anthema.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, every single day at eight forty five,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: tell the people about what's going on in Chy and Wyoming.
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: The gal's name is Jamie Gertz. That's what it is.
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: You said that one hundred times, beautiful Shy and Wyoming.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Let me find that, Brett.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: I know you told me it was coming, and you
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: put me on the spot and I blew.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: It and I did this.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: No, I understand that, but let me get all the
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: pertinent details.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: You're blaming your teammates again.
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: It's terrible.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: It's a terrible thing to do. Where's Nelly's email.
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: Jesus, damn it.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: It's in the seth wickersham nicle.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: You should have seen it.
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: Damn it, Nelly. Where's wait?
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Didn't they do that with Manzell?
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: They like some team pre draft emailed him a playbook
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: and they put a dollar bill in there or something
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: was that was that him and the whole thing was
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: like either they they asked.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Him, did you find the dollar bill? And they'll know
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: if they lie.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I forget how the story goes, but it was something
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: like that, are you still looking?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: Okay, but no I I've got it down anyway in
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