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Welcome to Barbara Cuts, Beats and bars.
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We're a father to daughter music podcast that slices into some of
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the greatest albums, one cut at a time.
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With no industry ties or formal training, just a shared love of
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I bring the beats. And I bring the bars, and
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together we deliver real talk and fresh takes from both sides
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of the sound. Everybody.
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I'm Riley. And I'm Todd and welcome to this
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week's episode of Barber Cuts. So thanks for giving us a week
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off. We enjoyed the Thanksgiving
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holiday here in the US since we have a growing number of
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international user or listeners. And so I had a good time with
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Riley being at home. So we enjoyed that.
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But now she's back to school so it's back to business and we are
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talking about. Speaking of international, The
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Stone Roses from the UK 1989 self-titled album The Stone
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Roses, which would make sense since the band's name is The
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Stone Roses, so. Let's see how many times take a
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shot every time you just said the Stone Roses.
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Oh, let's see, let's introduce a adult drinking game to our
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listeners for this. Brother Pot.
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Stone Roses. All right, there we go.
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There's another one. All right, least favorite.
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Let's get into it. Riley, what were your least
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favorite 2 songs? AK So one of my least favorites
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was she bangs the drum drums. So it was one of my least
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favorites because I feel like it had the most it like 80s
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influence still like lingering on it.
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It like that song was the most like, all right, we're still
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there a little bit like we're inching away, but we're still
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there. It just had a lot of like the
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classic tropes of the 80s song more than any other song I feel.
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And I'm not a big 80s music trope person, so that can just
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kind of like mess up the song a little bit.
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But this was one where like even the songs I like that I'm they
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are my least favorite. This is definitely one where I
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still enjoy the song. I still think it has its plays.
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It was just that one had the most 80s sound to me.
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And then the other one that I I put was Song for my Sugar Spun
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Sista. I don't know why I said it.
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Like Sista sister. They're British, not southern or
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Memphian. That was a similar case.
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Just a few classic like 80s tropes.
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There's a few songs later like I am the resurrection has a few of
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those, but the lyrics kind of save it for me and I really
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liked the lyrics on that song. Whereas Song for My Sugar Sun
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Sister is like a a beautiful song, but not as beautiful like
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something. I'm going to try to explain this
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and I don't know how to explain this.
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We're going to see how it goes. Their licks are very like well
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done. Like the way they describe
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things is very like artistic and the way they go about describing
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things, which can make it a little convoluted at points.
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I'll give people that. It's harder to follow than some
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of the like Prince was a great example of like you don't have
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to interpret much. Like the emotion is there and
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the songs, the lyrics are there and it's pretty clear.
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And that's the reason a lot of people like Prince.
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It's like you can clearly follow music.
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Same with like Marvin Gaye. It's to prove to you that it's
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not like a bad thing when lyrics are like point blank clear.
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Marvin Gaye is another good example.
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Nobody had any questions about what he was saying.
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Like it's pretty clear, this one or this band that you have to do
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a little bit more to try to figure it out.
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You can't just listen to the song.
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Got it good. Go on with your life.
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That would be a disservice to this album and this band.
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And they didn't really explain a lot of them either in media or
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whatnot. No.
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So yeah, left a lot of it up to interpretation.
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Yes, which is also usually great for a band like this was
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probably one that unfortunately I spent the least time trying to
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like, figure out the lyrics. So like it's like least favorite
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status is more on me than it is on the band.
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You're telling about this particular song or the whole
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album? Yes, no, this particular song,
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sorry, the this song was one of my least favorites and I'm
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saying it's probably more due to me than it is to the band and
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I'll probably change my tune. Like what was it?
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I think I did it for Arcade Fire where one song that I listed as
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my least favorite was my song of the week later on.
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And I was like, I take it back. Just accept that this happens.
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The the one I think the only part is where it says the candy
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floss girl, the sticky fingered boy.
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That was the only part that I like, really like, understood.
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Yeah. When listening to it, because
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they're also UK band and that grossed me out a little bit.
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I don't know why I don't like Sticky, I just don't like that
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description. But I think the rest of the
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lyrics are probably beautiful just like the rest of them and I
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didn't give it enough time. So don't, don't come at me.
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It's on me. I'm admitting that.
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So one of one of mine was Don't Stop, which was right after
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Waterfall and essentially the, you know, and at first when I
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was listening to it, I, I wasn't watching songs, I was just
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listening to it. And so I was wondering if the
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song actually switched because I was like, this sounds like what
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I was just listening to just backwards.
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And that's essentially what it is.
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So it's the the waterfall quits and then the intro guitars are
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essentially waterfall played backwards.
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And as I did research on them, they did that a couple of times
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with some of their songs where they just played the guitars
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backwards and then put new vocals on top of and create a
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new song. And there you go.
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Yeah, like, OK, 2 for one. But for for me, it it it it
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sounded a little because it was right afterwards, it sounded a
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little off to me and and had a little bit of chaos that went
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with it because Waterfall was was quite melodic.
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And this one wasn't really it it.
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And you know, to be fair, it has bits of that throughout the song
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where you can tell almost that it's played backwards, but it
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mostly corrects itself, you know, as it gets going and and
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it's still not a bad song to me. But the other, I guess my least
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favorite is probably Elizabeth My Dear, you know, just a 5030
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second song. And when I first heard it, I was
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like, OK, I know this tune like for sure.
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And I'm like, it's A Christmas Carol.
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And I was trying to come up with it.
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Probably if it wasn't Christmas season, I never would have
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thought of A Christmas Carol. But because of that, that that's
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where that's where my mind went and I kept trying to do, kept
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trying to make it Greensleeves, which it's not Greensleeves, but
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that's what I kept trying to do it.
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But, you know, so as I started doing research, figured out it
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was Scarborough Fair. And I'm like, oh OK, that makes
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sense because I'd heard that song before, but they just put
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their own lyrics to it and also figured out it's actually a song
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about wanting Queen Elizabeth to not be queen anymore.
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So that was. Yeah, I mean it.
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It it ends where? With.
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It's Curtis for you, Elizabeth, my dear.
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I feel like it's. Yeah, and but it's also one of
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those things where because, again, those of us are listeners
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outside of the US, you know, apologies in advance.
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Like we we don't have that monarchy, never have.
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So it it anytime I see Elizabeth and in or Queen or anything,
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although this one didn't really say queen, I don't think, but
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Elizabeth, it doesn't click with me that that's Queen Elizabeth
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that they're talking about just because again, you know,
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obviously people in the UK when they heard this, they're like,
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Oh yeah, they knew exactly what it was and and would still do.
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So it just, it just didn't. It just didn't catch me in the
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lyrics until I was like, oh, yeah.
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And and then to be fair, I'm like, you idiot, Of course it
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was Queen Elizabeth. Why would you not think of that?
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Yeah. So because it's because it's
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such a short song, we did. I just did say that a lot of
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their lyrics are convoluted and I think it's a very funny choice
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for this one lyric or this one, like you said, like 52nd song to
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not be convoluted at all. The lyric is I'll not rest till
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she's lost her throne. My aim is true.
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My message is clear. It's curtains for you,
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Elizabeth, my dear. That is the most clear any of
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their lyrics have been and it. Is, I mean, unfortunately to
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them, man, they had to wait quite a bit for that to happen.
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So yeah, they did. But those, those are my 2 least
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favorites. So on to favorites.
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Favorites One of my favorites was I want to be adored, the
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opening song. Such a great opening song.
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Just really made me excited for the rest of the album because I
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had never heard of the Stone Roses.
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I kept the only there's. Another one.
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Oh yeah. I had never heard of this band,
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Save You, and so I had no idea what to expect going into it.
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I knew it was 89, so I knew it could either be pretty 80s or
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new entering the 90s, which I like the 90s more so I was
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really hoping for that, but I was not expecting this.
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I'll say the first song, The first song sounds incredibly
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modern to me. Most of this album does
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actually. What I mean by that is like, it
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sounds like something that could be released today by a band,
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which is very impressive considering how much has changed
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in music production from 80. Well, 8889, because it was
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probably a multi month process to nowadays.
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So for it to sound like a modern indie band was very impressive
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to me. Just it sounded so modern.
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I don't know if you got that at any point, but it just like,
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yeah. So.
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Much it was like it sounds like music today.
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Yeah. For one of the first times that
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I've experienced like there's usually been a notable
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difference for like different parts.
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This one there were very few and this one, the the beat and
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instrumental at like the at the beginning was the most like
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modern part. Like I was like, Oh my gosh,
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this is just a song from today. I had to recheck when we said
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that it released because I was like, surely it was the 2000s,
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not 89. So it just really set the tone
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for the album with that great introduction song.
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I think gave a good overall gist of the type of music that
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they're planning on making for the rest of the album.
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Great song, great intro. My other favorite and my other
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favorite. I'm putting 2 into one 'cause
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they're right after each other. I don't think they're meant to
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go together, but just let me have it.
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It's made a stone and shoot you made a stone and shoot you down
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made a stone. The intro, the Doo Doo Doo.
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I don't I'm not even try. That was a very familiar beat.
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I don't know if you I know I've heard it before.
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I just don't know where and that really bothers, bothers me.
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So if you found it anywhere, let me know 'cause I tried.
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I had to find where it was from and it came up with nothing.
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And you know, I, I've, I've got this on my why listen to it, but
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I'll go ahead and say it now. I mean, I got that quite a bit.
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Like I have heard this before. I've heard this before but I
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never could come up with it. Yes, yes, it means we feel
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crazy. There's so much.
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And I was. Like, certainly.
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And I was like, this sounds like a band and it's like Rolling
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Stones beat. No, you know, I'm just going
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through bands in my head, going through, you know, riffs and
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lyric, you know, none of the lyrics really, but you know, or
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melodies. And like, I know that is
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familiar, but I very very rarely ever came up with where it came
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from. No SO.
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So yes, it sounded familiar, but I do not know what what it was
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that triggered that familiarity. Yes, this one was the one that I
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was most certain that I knew and there were just a lot of really
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familiar points. When looking at some of the
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bands that Stone Roses directly like inspired, it makes a little
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bit sense because once they said that there were a lot of songs
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that I was like, oh, I probably recognize some of the things
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from this song just because it's very similar vibes.
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Specifically the Arctic Monkeys are a big one, and Oasis, but
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that's. But there's a pretty heavy
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amount of UK indie bands that reference them as a inspiration
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and a lot of them that I listen to you sound very similar.
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So probably why I think it sounds very familiar.
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But I I really like, I really like that sound.
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And so Made of Stone became a favorite because of that sound.
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Yeah. It's also, this is the one about
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a car crash. Yeah.
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So it's again like it's a a way they describe the song is so I
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was going to say this later, but I'll say it now because it works
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now. So Stone Roses to me feels like
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the feels like almost a precursor to Neutral Milk Hotel.
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And I don't know if Neutral Milk hotel is UK based, but if
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they're not Stone Roses feel like Auk based version of that.
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That's just slightly more chill, because Neutral Milk Hotel is
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very Nacho. Their lyrics make you very
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uncomfortable. They're supposed to and they're
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their lyrics are also very convoluted, but they tell a
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story and you're supposed to try to interpret it.
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Neutral Milk Hotel from Louisiana.
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OK, I feel like the Stone Roses are kind of AUK version of that
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because so in my opinion, everybody, in my opinion, are
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the keywords here. Usual.
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Milk Hotel was one of the big founders of Indy for America,
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followed with Arcade Fire and oh gosh, the one that everybody
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knows and will be mad at me that I'm not remembering right now.
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Oh gosh, what is that band? This.
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This is the first day that of my life.
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This. Is the first day.
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Of my life, I have to find this bright eyes.
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Bright eyes, Yes, those like are kind of the first like
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formations of indie that we see, but Neutral Mall Hotel really
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started that. It seems as if Stone Roses was
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that for the UK because when I looked up who the Stone Roses
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inspired, it's like every UK indie band ever and similar to
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Neutral Milk Hotel, lyrics are a big part of it.
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Not clear lyrics are a big part of it and also as seen in Made
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of Stone, lyrics that make you a little uncomfortable or a lot
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uncomfortable are a big part of it along with experimenting with
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a bunch of stuff. An example of that is like your
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pink fat lips let go a scream. You fry and melt.
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I love the scene. Sometimes I fantasize like it's
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a beautiful description of what's happening, but it's not
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meant to make you like think what a pretty scene.
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It's meant to make you feel uncomfortable, like it's meant
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to make you kind of like have a picture in your head of what's
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happening. Yeah, and it starts right off
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the front with, you know, your knuckles whiten on the wheel.
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The last thing that your hands will will feel your final flight
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can't be delayed. I mean, and, and from all
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accounts, it's about Jackson Pollock, the artist who died in
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a car crash. So.
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But yeah, it's it's definitely very descriptive.
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Yes, I can't tell at some points, which is also an
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interesting part of the song. You can't tell if they are
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mourning the death or if they are slightly celebrating, if
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that makes sense. Jackson Powell.
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Because they're Yeah, I would. I would say they're mourning
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just from other things. I would I would say that too,
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based on Holic was a pretty experimental artist that was.
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Well, I mean the cover art is based off just the Jackson
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Pollock art style and so are most of their singles and so
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they, the guitarist I believe, loved Jackson Pollock.
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Yes, but, and unless you what I'm trying to say is unless you
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know that information, the song is not clear.
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About whether because. Because it talks about loving
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the scene and like, I guess it says at least you left your life
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in style. But like it talks about twisted
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girls grinning back and bad money dies and loving the scene
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and like all of this stuff. Like, it's unclear whether
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they're kind of celebrating it at some parts or completely
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mourning which. I mean, it's I guess like more
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back to them leaving a lot of lyrics up to interpretation and
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personal interpretation. But really good song and.
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Then it was also before you move on one of mine and so just for
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the music side of things like that intro again, I wrote that
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down is very nice. Just the a lot of a lot of
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there's are very clean guitars and this one had a little bit of
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distortion to it, which gave it a little bit of, oh, what's
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that? And then about two minutes, 40
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seconds. It does have a really good
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guitar solo in there. So that that was nice from a
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purse, a guitar solo fan. So push along to shoot.
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You down is a really interesting contrast to go from like the car
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crash and like we talked about more on the morning side of the
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car crash and like kind of talking about that.
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What looks like to talking about shoot you down and the lyric
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thing. I'd love to do it and you know
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you've always had it coming. There's not really much question
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in that one about like it not being like a very nice feeling.
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But the lyrics in this song are really interesting too, talking
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about like it wasn't a person who necessarily did them wrong.
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It seems like someone who just loved them a certain way that
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was harmful to them. Like it's it again is kind of
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unclear on the exact like purpose of that person and what
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they did more than it literally says the love that you showed me
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and started to choke me. Like it's, it doesn't exactly
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say anything. Wrong about.
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And if it and if it wasn't for that one, I would have I would
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have thought that because everything else in here other
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than that one particular line made me think it was again,
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about the Queen. Yeah.
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But that one line is like aunt that's probably not about her.
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It almost seems like a a Salter. Almost.
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Yeah. Which is like the part that's
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interesting to me is, I don't know, there, it's really
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interesting to me to have lyrics.
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They're so descriptive and yet so like, you do not know what's
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happening, right? And to me, it's a little
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frustrating at times because like, it's not like interpreting
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lyrics is very fun for me, but I like it whenever an artist like,
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I like, I know what they eventually were trying to say.
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Just when they seem to very much be on the side of like, we don't
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want you to know exactly what we were trying to say on some
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parts. But I think they still get the
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point across. And it's it's a beautiful song
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about some dark emotions that are just still some pretty good
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lyrics that are interesting in contrast from, like, mourning a
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death to wanting a death. It's like, oh, that's new.
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But yeah. So those were my 32 favorites.
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Yeah. So I mentioned I mentioned one
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of mine, you know, and I was all you know, I was going through
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some I I did like she bangs the drums, water waterfall.
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I want to be adored like those. Those first 3 songs are really,
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really good and you know, they are their most streamed songs on
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Spotify. I also really liked I am the
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resurrection, but I said went went with made of stone.
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My favorite 1 is This Is The One, and it may have been
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obvious to some that that might be it because I've mentioned
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that I am a Manchester United fan.
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So this is the song that the club walks out to.
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Been that way since early 2000s. Three of the four band members
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supported the club. Manny the bassist is one that
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just recently passed away over again Thanksgiving week for us,
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but he was also the basis for Primal Scream, so go check out
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episode 3 if you want to listen to that which.
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We talked. Really quick, scream a delica,
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yeah? I looked up.
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So when I looked up like bands that have sighted Stone Roses is
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inspiration, my Google AI told me that a source of inspiration
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for the Stone Roses was Primal Scream.
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And I was like, well, yeah, it was the band member.
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Yeah, it wasn't like, not necessarily a source.
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Of inspiration. It was just the same guy.
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But I'm not sure. I can't.
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I can't remember when. I'm not sure he I'm not sure
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when Primal Scream Kick started and when he went because Scream
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a Delica was early 90s and I think he was still with Stone
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Roses on their second album which wasn't until 94 so he may
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have jumped after. OK.
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So when they all work, I, you know, it's kind of hard.
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No, I just. All I.
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All I knew. Was the same member and I was
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like, all right, Google AI. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I. Know so, so yeah, so we, we, we
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did listen to Scream Delica so early on.
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So that's episode 3 great opening with the guitar.
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Then, you know, then the rest of the band comes in with a Big
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Bang a couple of times and then then you have a quiet bass line
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build up of the music of the first verse in the chorus,
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almost whispering the lyrics, which is, which is neat.
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And then every once in awhile between the whispers, the band
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hits with, you know, some chords and drums.
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And at 1:40 you got a guitar solo that adds some intensity
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and the band plays the lyrics are louder than when the chorus
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comes back, it goes back quiet, comes back loud.
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So it's a very good roller coaster of volume that that adds
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to the to the intensity of the the feelings of of the music of,
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you know, again, louds off loud. We've talked about that, that
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the Pixies get a lot of credit for it, but obviously it's or
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not obviously it's it was around before them, but they do get a
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lot of the credit. So the.
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Pixies also don't get a lot of the credit.
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And this is true, per per their singer, that he's angry about it
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with Nirvana. But so those are my 2 favorites.
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So moving on to the next one. Why should people listen to this
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album? And we've touched on it a little
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bit already. Yeah, I mean, going back to
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them, like, so the Stone residents themselves don't have
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a ton of listeners. They have, they have a lot.
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They have like almost 2,000,000. But that's considering the
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albums that we've listened to being like the best of all time.
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Like it's one of the lower that we've seen.
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But I think, like I said, with how many people that they have,
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like how many bands have directly quoted them as
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inspirations that have made it outside of the UK scene.
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Like Oasis is a huge one, and the Arctic Monkeys are another
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huge one. Like they they huge bands that I
28:15
think if you went back and listened to the Stone Roses, you
28:19
would definitely see where they're getting it from.
28:22
Yeah. And they, they pull a lot from
28:26
even just this one album. Yeah.
28:29
And. I think what hurt the Stone
28:31
Roses was they put this album out and then they, they took
28:38
five years before they released their second one because they
28:41
were trying to get out of a contract and into a new one.
28:45
And then after that, when they broke up for like 13 years,
28:49
maybe even longer, I, I can't remember what the number was.
28:52
And so they were just doomed because they couldn't get music
28:58
out the door. Yeah, which is, I think, a sad
29:02
loss. It is.
29:04
It is. Because of how how great this
29:07
album is and how many people dressed this album inspired.
29:12
But I think like if you're a fan of any of those fans or know
29:16
those fans well enough, I think it's it would definitely be
29:19
interesting to go back and listen to this album just
29:24
because of how much like you do feel like you recognize just by
29:29
knowing other bands. Because once I read the Arctic
29:32
Monkeys, there was a lot that I was like, Oh yeah, there's a lot
29:34
I recognized because it's a trope with the Arctic Monkeys
29:38
and Oasis. Both of the brothers have talked
29:41
about going to these concerts and like talking to the band
29:46
members and like citing them as one of their biggest
29:48
inspirations, which is crazy, and just all of that.
29:53
So I think it's it's just interesting to see a band that
29:57
doesn't have a lot of traction inspiring some of the bands that
30:00
have crazy platforms and I think they deserve their roses, ha ha.
30:08
Yeah, so, you know, the Stone Roses have said they were
30:12
influenced by The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Simon and
30:15
Garfunkel, The Smiths, Birds, Jimi Hendrix, Zeppelin.
30:20
And when I saw this next one, the Jesus and Mary Chain, I'm
30:23
like, oh, I hear a lot of Jesus and Mary Chain in this Sex
30:28
Pistols and the Clash. You know, we've got episodes on
30:32
Sex Pistols and the Clash. And so you hear all of those in
30:37
the music, but yet also with this on sound, which goes back
30:46
to what we were talking about earlier.
30:47
Like, I've heard that I can't think of exactly where, you
30:52
know, and the album itself was not very well received when it
30:57
was initially released, you know, But you you mentioned
31:04
yourself coming back around on an Arcade Fire Out song.
31:09
A lot of people have now come back to this and like, OK, yeah,
31:13
we, we had it wrong when it when it first came out.
31:18
Which and which? Let me say this.
31:22
It's so poetic that they liked an artist like Pollock because
31:27
that is such an artist's trope. It's like, it is like one of the
31:31
best things ever created and everyone hates it.
31:34
Like Van Gogh was hated, like Monet was another one hated.
31:39
And then all of a sudden, hundreds of years later were
31:41
like, man here. Here's $50 million for his
31:46
painting, you know. And, and it is also very true
31:50
with like indie tropes, like a lot of indie bands that started
31:53
out there, especially ones like this one.
31:56
And I keep referencing Neutral Milk Hotel.
31:58
I'm a big Neutral Milk Hotel fan.
32:00
Sue me. Their music is not just to be
32:05
pretty or say like a really deep message that makes you
32:11
uncomfortable, which is what a lot of people had gotten used
32:16
to. These albums were a little bit
32:19
more to make you feel a little uncomfy at times, to pay more
32:25
attention sometime or every time it was to say something.
32:29
Obviously, that's why people should make music.
32:34
And so a lot of people just don't immediately like feeling
32:38
uncomfortable when they're listening to music because
32:40
that's so not what we're used to.
32:42
Yeah, yeah, that makes any. Sense yeah, it does, you know,
32:45
and and this is this is one that that did not make it near as big
32:51
in the US as it did in the UK, you know, and, and even when you
32:57
look at the accolades, you have to go to the UK to really find
33:04
them. You know, this album
33:06
particularly because the the next one wasn't released until
33:09
94 And and just a couple of listen to a couple of songs off
33:15
of it. It had a different sound than
33:17
this one. So even they changed their sound
33:20
a little bit. And but this album made such a
33:26
big impact on the music of the 90s.
33:29
They're like, OK, we can't deny the influence.
33:32
And so it's got to be this. It's got to be this good album.
33:38
And so even going back to looking at in 2000, it was named
33:42
the greatest album ever at the NME Premiere Award show, which
33:46
is a British thing. And in 2006, it topped the
33:51
magazine's 100 greatest British albums ever.
33:57
So I mean, Rolling Stones, Zeppelin, who's that other
34:01
group? Ha, just kidding.
34:03
The Beatles and and this is like the greatest British album ever
34:09
and so as. Charles just rolled over in his
34:12
grades. Yeah, no, poor Charles.
34:14
At least I didn't say Wham, but the but as Americans like we got
34:21
all of those that made it across the ocean and and this band, for
34:28
whatever reason, just didn't have the staying power.
34:31
Unlucky with trying to switch labels.
34:33
I what it whatever it was and and just never really never
34:37
really made it. And so those were older.
34:41
But in 2020, so five years ago, BBC again, British BBC Radio 2
34:52
did a ultimate 80s album poll and it came in third.
34:57
Never saw what the first two albums were, but this album was
35:02
above Michael Jackson's Thriller, Appetite for
35:07
Destruction and above Purple Rain, Prince and the Revolution
35:12
again, we've done an episode on that one and I know Appetite, I
35:16
know both the other two are on our list.
35:18
I just don't know when we'll get to them.
35:20
So like that's, that's like the the British population really
35:26
loves this album. And so from an American side of
35:31
things, it's like like most Americans have probably never
35:36
heard of this album. And, and admittedly, I I had not
35:41
heard of many of the songs off of this album.
35:44
I'd heard of This is the one heard of some off the second
35:47
album. And it's.
35:49
So I'd heard of the Stone Roses, but not much more other than
35:54
they were fans of the, you know, soccer team that I like.
35:58
So that was that was most of it. But yeah.
36:03
I do. I do think with this album in
36:06
particular, I can't like to me the to me the year 89 for music
36:15
should be 90s like it. It was basically there like when
36:20
you, when you really start to look into like albums that were
36:22
like in 89, yeah, like this, you're more like.
36:28
Yeah. Are you really 80s?
36:30
Yeah, it's, you know, you're. Sneaking into the 90s range.
36:34
Yeah, and and this this album is you know, and and even listening
36:40
to it on Spotify, so it had two different releases.
36:45
So it had a had Auk release and and then AUS release and so the
36:52
US release had two extra songs on it than what the UK release
36:57
did, but yet the album on Spotify was neither of those.
37:02
So I'm not sure what Spotify is doing there but that's a
37:06
different story. the US release ends in Fool's Gold.
37:11
Not sure if you feel this but Fool's Gold definitely has a
37:15
different vibe to it than most of the other songs, which I'll
37:21
talk about now because you really hear maybe what they were
37:27
part of And and again, I'm going to mess this up because I'm not
37:32
immersed in the UK music scene. So hey, e-mail us and tell us
37:38
how we got it wrong and we'll figure it out and correct
37:40
ourselves. But they were part of or
37:43
started. Can really tell this music scene
37:48
movement called Mad Chester instead of Manchester.
37:53
But it was just a combination of this alt, indie rock, acid
37:59
house, psychedelica, pop, electronic dance, all this music
38:05
fused in together which you get it in a lot of these songs.
38:09
Like you can hear all of that, like you can really easily dance
38:14
to this music, but you really, really hear it on Fool's Gold,
38:19
which is the last song. And that was one of their
38:23
bigger, bigger ones. And it wasn't on the album, but
38:26
it was, from what I could tell, one of their bigger ones that
38:29
they would play live and and, and whatnot.
38:32
But and, and that sound actually really influenced the Brit pop
38:38
of the 90s. So going back to Oasis, Blur,
38:41
which was song of the week. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:45
Last episode, I think the verve. Yep, the verve.
38:50
So so the sound really influenced all of them.
38:55
You know, the Stone Roses and another band called the Happy
38:59
Mondays are, are the two biggest that you hear from this, you
39:06
know, and, and like I said it, it popped up and went away so
39:13
fast. And I think a lot of that was
39:16
because of them not getting that music out the door.
39:21
And so by the time they got that second album out, their their
39:26
music had changed. The scene had changed.
39:29
And and so the Stone Roses don't get quite the popularity, quite
39:37
the glamour that maybe they should.
39:40
Yeah. Plus I think if I I understand
39:45
being this way, since it's not coming out of judgement because
39:47
I've been this way most of my life.
39:49
If you are a little bit of a snub to older music, and by
39:55
older music I really mean like the 80s and older, just because
39:59
90s is when people start to kind of consider it.
40:03
Not like classic rock, but like something different.
40:08
Do not let the 89 fool you on this one, especially like really
40:16
give it a chance before you interpret it 'cause like I said
40:20
it, it sounds very modern. And that is very impressive for
40:25
a band to do to where it still like upholds to the kind of like
40:31
standard of music today. Just because they don't have the
40:35
stuff that's not on the albums that we've covered, just because
40:39
our albums are typically considered the best of the best.
40:44
But just in general, a lot is usually forgiven just because we
40:46
know, like, oh, it can't be the same quality that it is now.
40:50
Yeah, This one is like darn near the same quality that it is now.
40:53
Yeah, I agree. So really give it a chance and
40:56
just picture A2 in front of A instead of A1 and instead of A1.
41:01
And, you know, fix the rest of the numbers too.
41:03
But just huh, just just give it a chance because I I assure you,
41:11
as someone who has been there before, this one is definitely
41:14
worth it and you can finally say that you like an 80s band and
41:18
feel really cool about. That there you go, there you go.
41:21
The the other thing to take note of this is, you know, not really
41:25
about the music, but the artwork is really cool too.
41:29
And so if you are a Jackson Pollock fan, then you will
41:33
thoroughly enjoy the album cover.
41:35
If you're not, then OK, maybe you won't.
41:39
But it was done actually by the the guitarist John Squire, and
41:47
it makes reference to May 1968 riots in Paris.
41:54
And so that's the red, white and blue on there.
41:59
A, a nod to the French flag. Granted, these stripes
42:02
horizontal, France's flag is vertical, but that's what it's
42:06
there for. And it seems they, you know, I
42:09
didn't dive deep into this, but it seems that protesters were
42:13
tear gassed and they used lemons as an antidote.
42:16
I have no idea if it worked, but that's why the lemons are on the
42:18
front cover. So.
42:21
I was curious as to why there were lemons on there and red
42:25
white. So like it all makes sense now.
42:29
And then the other thing is the this artwork is also used in the
42:36
again, Manchester United Adidas Stone Roses collaboration.
42:41
So there's a collection of United where based on this
42:44
artwork, replica jerseys. Have which if anybody wants to
42:48
mail. US Christmas presents in the
42:51
spirit of things I would take take anything from you combine
42:56
this album united yeah sure go go get me something out that the
43:03
collection and mail it if you're willing to I will send me it
43:09
send us an e-mail barbaracutspot@gmail.com and
43:12
I'll give you an address. So any anything else.
43:18
So yeah, it's got it's got some artwork got some good music got
43:22
some good lyrics. So and again being most still as
43:29
as I look at statistics night 90 ish percent of our listeners are
43:35
in the US. So so for those listeners, if
43:41
you if you haven't gone or if you know The Beatles is your
43:46
main thing from from what you think of of Britain, UK go
43:51
listen to this because like it was it's impressive.
43:56
So anything else before we hit best beats and bars or best
44:03
beat? And not for me.
44:04
Not for me, other than to say Stone Roses one more time.
44:08
So best bar? What's the best lyric in there
44:12
to you? Rally.
44:13
Oh. Pretty much.
44:14
So. I mentioned the lyrics of I Am
44:16
the Resurrection saved it for me, and that's so true.
44:21
The lyrics on this song are incredible.
44:24
It's a long song, go read the lyrics.
44:28
I recommend again. Parts will make you
44:32
uncomfortable. Stick with it.
44:35
Try to it's supposed to if that helps you make feel any better.
44:40
And hold on. I'm going to say this really
44:43
quick. If you say these lyrics make you
44:48
uncomfortable and yet you claim to be a Tyler Creator fan, don't
44:51
talk to me. Tyler, The Creator does the same
44:54
thing. Tyler Creator is one of the
44:55
modern examples of his lyrics are supposed to make him
44:58
uncomfortable. His lyrics to music is not meant
45:00
to be pretty all the time. It's meant to tell a story and
45:04
he experiments a lot with it. So if you like Tyler, The
45:06
Creator, don't come at me for these lyrics because his lyrics
45:11
are sometimes worse anyway and that's coming.
45:14
I like Tyler, The Creator. Let me be clear, anyway.
45:18
Probably not the worst lyrics that we've had to endure.
45:23
No, not even that. But these, yes, they're just,
45:26
these ones are meant to make you uncomfortable.
45:28
And I feel like some of the other ones we've covered were
45:30
just like poor in poor taste. Does that make sense?
45:33
Yeah, I can. It's like, you can usually kind
45:35
of tell when a lyric is like meant to be a little iffy versus
45:40
one that they were like, Oh yeah, this is stuff.
45:42
And you're like. Oh no.
45:43
Don't do that to me. And as someone who tends to like
45:48
songs that make me kind of uncomfortable, I'm I'm pretty
45:52
good at picking that out and picking whatever it's like, I
45:54
don't like it. And whenever it's like done in
45:57
this hasteful way. And this song is again, another
46:03
pretty like angry lyric song. I mean it, it's saying like
46:09
don't waste your words. You're no one washed up baby who
46:15
look better dead. Like it's a pretty like angry
46:22
song. And then it just ends with I'm
46:28
the resurrection and I'm the life.
46:29
I couldn't ever bring myself to hate you as I'd like.
46:32
And that just switches the whole song.
46:34
And like the last lyric, it completely changes the context
46:38
of the song. And so then you're like, now I
46:41
have to listen to it again with this and like fully understand
46:45
it. And to just do that.
46:47
So to like just turn a song on its head is so such a cool idea.
46:53
And just adds like that one lyric adds so much more depth to
46:57
the song than before and introduces like a whole bunch of
47:02
new theories of what the song could really mean, what they
47:05
were going through, what the lyrics mean, and makes it, I
47:09
mean, that much more relatable. Most everyone who says that they
47:13
hate someone probably relates to that lyric of it not being hate
47:20
as you'd like it to be. And I just think it's such a
47:23
beautiful lyric for the song in particular.
47:27
Just incredible song too. But that that lyric man changes
47:32
everything. So very cool to see.
47:52
So my best beat is the rest of the song, so.
47:59
This is. This is quite funny because as
48:02
you mentioned, the song is long, 8 minutes and 12 seconds, but
48:08
the lyrics quit at 3:20, so 5 minutes of it is a instrumental
48:13
outro. So remember the original
48:17
release? In the UK this is the last song.
48:20
So if you go listen to the album on Spotify you get another song
48:22
right after it. It should.
48:24
Have been the less. I know and so.
48:28
I think should have been included just before.
48:30
Yeah, but I'll go with the UK release.
48:34
And again, we're talking about best bar, best beaten bars, but
48:38
I always like it because you do too.
48:41
When we can get albums where first song and last song like
48:45
makes sense, this is it. I Want to Be adored and I am the
48:51
Resurrection off of the off the original UK release.
48:55
That's a excellent first song and an excellent last song.
49:00
The lyrics on this last song and then the you know, you get you
49:04
get the lyrics that make you feel uncomfortable for the lyric
49:06
person and then 5 minutes of a instrumental music outro that
49:13
OK, why? Why am I going to tell you to go
49:16
listen to 5 minutes of the song? Well, OK, maybe not 5 minutes,
49:20
but at least give it to the four minute mark.
49:24
That's a normal song. So song lyrics quit about 320.
49:28
Give it 40 seconds and you're going to get this switch into
49:33
and it's guitar driven, but it's got a little funk to it.
49:39
And so it's, it's nice and you know, you get to see the, the
49:44
bassist really, you know, the, the bassist and drums throughout
49:51
are incredible, but they get to shine a little bit here as you
49:54
get to see them come through along with the guitar doing some
49:57
things, you know, and, and so it is guitar driven mostly, but
50:03
because there's no lyrics, you get to hear the bass and you get
50:05
to hear the drums shine through in it.
50:08
And again, 8 minute song, but man, is it a very good what I'll
50:14
call a last song on it. And the, the other, the other
50:21
one in the US, there is a, a song out there.
50:25
It's called Elephant Stone. That was added to the US album,
50:30
but it wasn't on the UK because it had already been released as
50:33
a single. So they just added it into the
50:36
albums in the US So again, that that's a third.
50:42
That's song 3 on the US That's not on the Spotify that we got
50:46
and not on the UK. But it's a good song too, if you
50:50
want to go listen to it. Yeah.
50:51
So ratings, Riley, what? What do you want to give this
50:57
album a rating? So objective, I'm going to give
51:01
it a nine like it. It's so impressive how they make
51:08
it sound so modern. I think there are a few parts
51:12
that I don't know if this is so much objective or unfair,
51:17
whatever, but you kind of mentioned it.
51:19
The parts where they just kind of flip a song backwards.
51:22
Very interesting. But sometimes it just doesn't.
51:24
It makes it slow. Weird.
51:26
Yeah, it does. And the other the other one
51:29
since since made of Stone was both one of our favorites.
51:34
That's a that's another one that that they did that the single
51:40
the B side of that is 1 where they did it backwards and put
51:44
new lyrics on it. But the lyrics to that one
51:49
nobody like they're gibberish. And so people are like, is it
51:54
him doing gibberish or is it him like singing made of stone
51:58
backwards? Like it's hard to tell.
52:00
So it's, it's funny, just going back to.
52:02
It's it's him being, it's, I'm going to say it's him attempting
52:08
to be Pollock. That's something Pollock would
52:10
do. Pollock was a good guy.
52:14
Anyway, sometimes it just doesn't make the album flow and
52:19
I think also very unfairly because this is not how it was
52:23
originally. I do have to go with like the
52:25
Spotify for this specific part just because it's what I listen
52:29
to. Full Scold being the last song
52:31
instead of I'm the Resurrection is a travesty.
52:34
And that's not saying I didn't like Fool's Gold.
52:36
Just include Fool's Gold right before it.
52:39
I don't care. I'm the Resurrection is such a
52:41
good last song that be the last lyric.
52:44
Being like that I Couldn't hate you as much as I'd like is
52:46
incredible for last lyric sums up the album in a great way,
52:50
even though none of the songs really had like thread whatever
52:54
incredible last song. And so that really just kind of
53:00
knocks it down for me. But as far as the personal
53:04
rating, I'm giving it a I'm giving it a 9 1/2.
53:09
I loved this album and this this is the type of album that like
53:14
makes me super excited that we're doing this because this is
53:17
truly an album. I would never have listened to
53:21
it on my own. And I found a new favorite out
53:26
of it. And that's that's so exciting.
53:28
That's half the reason we're doing this.
53:32
The other half is to just give us a designated space to talk
53:35
about music. So we stopped getting in
53:36
trouble. I'm kidding, but kind of.
53:42
But we get to find albums like this that become new favorites
53:46
and like deserve so much that they didn't get.
53:49
And we get to highlight it a little bit and recognize that.
53:52
And I think, I mean, I'm so excited that I was able to
53:56
listen to this album and like just enjoy it so much.
54:02
Yeah, I agree. And I was, I was close.
54:06
So, you know, it's one of those things that maybe maybe
54:10
sometimes makes us a little bit boring because, you know, we do
54:14
have similar music taste. But you know, objectively, I go
54:18
back to the the bands that it that the group influenced, the
54:25
the bands that this album in particular influenced.
54:30
And so gave it a nine personally also gave it a nine.
54:35
Really there was the Elizabeth my dears, really the only one
54:39
that I didn't care for. So that's.
54:44
Because you don't know the beef that England had.
54:46
True, true. Yeah, so we.
54:50
Haven't listened to 1 English song that's been nice to Queen
54:53
Elizabeth yet so. No, I, I think.
54:57
And we've listened to quite a few.
54:58
That's true. We've had Beatles, Sex Pistols
55:02
of UK bands and the. Streets had one that.
55:06
Mentioned her any any yeah, I can't remember about that one,
55:10
but it it any anytime they've had a song about the Queen they
55:16
have they have not been her fan. So no bless our heart, as we
55:25
would say so so but yeah, so but again, I again, I really liked
55:34
it and and was surprised. Like I said I'd I'd heard this
55:39
is the one and then also I'd heard love spreads off of their
55:48
second coming album, but I hadn't really heard of much of
55:54
these others. So it was nice listening to it.
55:56
I would like you said, I was pleasantly surprised.
56:02
So, song of the week. My song of the week is Soul on
56:06
Fire by Timmy Skelly. Timmy Skelly is a small lover
56:11
artist. He only has 30 almost 31 K
56:15
monthly listeners. It's just a really good song.
56:19
It's off of an EP called Die Far Sermon.
56:22
Recommend that you go listen to that as well.
56:25
It's just a fun song. It is a little bit poppy, still
56:32
alt pop, which is kind of where I land ultimately is alt area,
56:38
but more poppy and just a really good feel good song.
56:43
At least where I'm at. It's cold and dreary and it's
56:47
nice to revel in that for a little bit.
56:49
But eventually sometimes it's nice to listen to a song that
56:53
feels a little bit more summary and that's how I would describe
56:57
this song. So, Soul on fire, Timmy Skelly.
57:00
Very good. So my song of the week will be
57:05
one that you are also know and heard.
57:11
And it is I'm going to be 500 miles because as we watched
57:16
football over the Thanksgiving holidays, that song was on the
57:20
commercial no less than 1000 times.
57:24
And it took me a while and I finally remembered it was a
57:30
Starbucks commercial, I believe. But so you know, I guess, I
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guess they've done their job because I did did remember it,
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but I'd sit and think about it. And but it's a song by The
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Proclaimers. And so it was originally written
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and released in 8/19/88, but really only successful in the UK
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and Australia. It blew up in the US in 93
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because it was on Benny and June soundtrack, so Johnny Depp
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movie. So if you're a Johnny Depp fan,
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go watch Benny and June and it's just quite the catchy little
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tune and ear worm because I've been singing that chorus ever
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since. And a little.
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I would walk 500 miles and I would walk 500 miles, 500.
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Just to be done by elementary school.
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The definition of us trying to have a conversation in
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elementary. School OK.
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OK, I'll quit. That was coming.
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We got rid of AR testing, in case anyone knows what AR
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testing is, but they were still trying to convince us to read.
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And one of the ways they did that is they got a random.
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I'm pretty sure they got someone from outside.
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It could have been one of our teachers.
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That part is not necessary to sing a remix of this song where
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it's and I would read 500 books and I so that's how I was first
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introduced to the song was through an attempt to get us to
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read excellent just to be the man who walks or who reads 1000
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books. And there was another lyric to
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that. Don't remember it didn't work
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too well. I still like to read, but I
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mean. Yeah, I mean that that part of
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that song is so catchy. I mean, I I couldn't.
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I could not. And, and again, I'm not a lyrics
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person, I couldn't tell you a single other lyric, probably
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from the entire song. The only one I know is when I.
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Wake up. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And, and now that you say it, it's like Oh yeah, yeah.
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And you would think you would think that I would know it
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because I. But I can't remember what it was
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in the in the commercial, you know, it's.
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The commercial almost has a aha take on me music video vibe.
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You know where it's animated because it's the Starbucks cups.
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So next album. So next album is also an
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exciting week. We have a guest joining us.
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We'll talk more. About the show.
1:00:29
Yes, friend of the show, roommate of the show.
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She is great. Her name is.
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Kate, roommate of half the show. Half the show, that's.
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Important. You're half of the show, yes.
1:00:40
Half of the show, she was the one, if you all remember that I
1:00:44
said inspired songs of the week always sends me the most
1:00:49
outlandish songs of the week, usually from SoundCloud.
1:00:53
That's just like kind of the worst song you've ever heard.
1:00:55
But she likes it. She wow, she'll, she'll
1:01:00
appreciate that. Anyway, she's going to be
1:01:03
joining us next week to talk about Channel Orange by Frank
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Ocean Woo, one of the newer albums.
1:01:12
I think it's the newest one we have.
1:01:13
Last so Full disclosure, I've heard of the album but never
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listened to it so. Excited.
1:01:22
Yeah, this is, this is more like this whole, this whole time it's
1:01:26
been you being like, these are bands for mine.
1:01:29
Yeah, I know, I know. And showing that to me and this
1:01:31
is one that I get to be like mine and.
1:01:33
You know, so I was just just this, this is how sad this is
1:01:37
and maybe it'll be good for me. I went to type in Frank into
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Spotify search top result Frank Sinatra.
1:01:45
Maybe searching for Frank Ocean will remove Frank Sinatra from
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my top result. There you go.
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No offense so Frank Sinatra, but.
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Old blue eyes. So Frank Ocean.
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Yeah, so. So listen along, I've heard.
1:02:03
It's a great album, but I've never actually listened to it,
1:02:06
so I'm definitely I'm, I'm a little excited here.
1:02:09
Definitely go give it a listen and listen along with us and
1:02:14
hear our opinions. Go listen to The Stone Roses by
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the Stone Roses 2 two more times pretty again and follow us on
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Except the TikTok. Frank Ocean.
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Not the Sinatra count channel. Or channel or.
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Yep, we will see you next week. Until then, I'm Todd.
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I'm Riley and this has been another episode of Barbara Cuts.