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Ep. 786: Murder Mystery, Raghorn Bulls, and Impaled Ligaments | MeatEater Radio Live! · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time.
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  Speaker 2: That's seven am for our new friends in Tahiti on Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: October thirtieth, and we are live from Meet Eater HQ
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  Speaker 2: in Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Randa Williams, joined today
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  Speaker 2: by my very close friends and colleagues, Seth Morris and
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  Speaker 2: Corey Calkins.
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  Speaker 3: Happy to be here.
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  Speaker 4: Great to see you again, Randall.
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  Speaker 5: On today's show, we'll interview Jordan Sillers, host of the
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  Speaker 5: Blood Trails podcast, which officially drops today. That's correct.
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  Speaker 2: We'll play a little game called fake news. We'll interview
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  Speaker 2: Lauren Dolkater, who submitted one of the most unusual customer
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  Speaker 2: service requests in the history of First Light. And finally
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  Speaker 2: we'll look back at the good old days in another
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  Speaker 2: installment of Throwback Thursday. Then here I write did we
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  Speaker 2: have any plugs? And then below that Corey is added.
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  Speaker 2: Season thirteen of Meat Eater keeps rolling on with the
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  Speaker 2: second episode, which dropped a few days ago, Steve's Montana
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  Speaker 2: Muzzloader Mule Deer Hunt. Next Monday is Steve and Evan
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  Speaker 2: Felker's Alaska black bear hunt. And we also just dropped
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  Speaker 2: a thrilling Ryan Callahan deer and elk combo hunt that
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  Speaker 2: is sure to please viewers. Well said, that was a
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  Speaker 2: nice touch.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Boys. How are we doing today?
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  Speaker 3: Oh we're good.
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  Speaker 5: It's a good, good week in Ja.
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  Speaker 3: It's hot in season.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Oh my goodness, ball is in the air,
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  Speaker 4: deep falls in the air.
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  Speaker 5: But some of us have already closed the book.
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  Speaker 2: Some of us had a short elk season on the
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  Speaker 2: chapter of our hunting season.
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  Speaker 5: So Corey, how was your weekend?
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  Speaker 4: Oh it's fantastic. Got into a bunch of elk. Oh
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  Speaker 4: more elk than people, which usually good opener.
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  Speaker 3: That's a wind right there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, agreed, because man, I've had some openers where I
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  Speaker 4: see a pile of people and zero elk or you know,
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  Speaker 4: more people than elk. But so yeah, had a good
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  Speaker 4: plan rolling into opening morning and uh didn't get it done.
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  Speaker 4: Watched a few elk fall from other groups of hunters.
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  Speaker 4: But Saturday was tough for us. The weather was just
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  Speaker 4: oh windy, is get out?
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  Speaker 2: Geez.
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  Speaker 4: We joked multiple times we should have just brought a
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  Speaker 4: flag or excuse me a kite with us a flag
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  Speaker 4: to wave up on the side of the mountain.
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  Speaker 2: You could have also stuffed your backpack full of elk
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  Speaker 2: meat so that it catches a lot of wind and
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  Speaker 2: spins you around as you walk down the mountain.
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  Speaker 5: I like I could have used that was my innovation.
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  Speaker 4: A little added weight would have actually makes you very unstable.
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  Speaker 4: But Sunday I helped the buddy get a nice bowl,
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  Speaker 4: which was fantastic. Mm hmm, not too bad of a
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  Speaker 4: pack out. Beautiful day on Sunday and gorgeous. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 4: still hunting myself, though I'm a little picky still. We
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  Speaker 4: got a long season and something about having a tag
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  Speaker 4: deer and elk tags in your pocket in late November
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  Speaker 4: a beautiful thing.
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  Speaker 2: I'll trade you mine deer tag for your elk tag.
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  Speaker 3: Not even that's how it works.
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  Speaker 4: No, sure, I don't even think about deer until my
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  Speaker 4: elk's down.
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  Speaker 3: Seth.
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  Speaker 2: I'd trade you my dear tag for your elk tag.
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  Speaker 2: But that thing ain't good no more.
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  Speaker 6: That's right, brother, Uh got you guys are insufferable.
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  Speaker 5: We're getting so good at this, hell get good at this?
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  Speaker 3: Uh yeah. Opener was a good one for me. M
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  Speaker 3: and you tell me more.
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  Speaker 5: Uh, well, brother, and then I'll tell you more.
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  Speaker 7: I saw more people than elk by far, darn it,
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  Speaker 7: what you know, That's how it goes around here.
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  Speaker 3: But you know one thing I like about the open
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  Speaker 3: is all the people just get the elk moving around.
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  Speaker 2: Stuff's happening, Yeah, heavy button.
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  Speaker 3: I just feel like I'm always in it.
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  Speaker 7: It's never a quiet day, yeah, no matter how many
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  Speaker 7: people around, you just feel like anything could happen at
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  Speaker 7: any moment.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what I experienced.
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  Speaker 7: Saw a lot of dudes in openings, open areas. Every
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  Speaker 7: open area that I glassed, every ridge had orange on it.
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  Speaker 7: So I was like, you know what, I bet the
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  Speaker 7: boys aren't in the timber sneaking around. You know, you
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  Speaker 7: bet they oh, the boys being the people the people?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I bet by the boys you met the elk.
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  Speaker 2: And no, in fact, you were thinking the opposite, that
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  Speaker 2: the boys would be in the timber, yes, sneaking around
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  Speaker 2: if they were the elk.
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  Speaker 3: Where the boys exactly? Yeah, that's not confusing, but not
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  Speaker 3: at all.
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  Speaker 7: So yeah, I started doing some timber sneaking and just
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  Speaker 7: bumped into some bulls and.
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  Speaker 2: I'd like one of them, I'd like to put it
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  Speaker 2: on the record that when Seth talks about elk hunting
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  Speaker 2: and he visualizes how he'd like his elk season to
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  Speaker 2: turn out, he often described sneaking through the timber and
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  Speaker 2: shooting a bullet close range. So when you texted me
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  Speaker 2: like that stuff, oh, I was delighted for you.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it was. It was exactly how I wanted it
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  Speaker 3: to go down.
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  Speaker 2: Really m hmmm, So happy for you.
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  Speaker 7: And you know I I lucked out and had a
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  Speaker 7: very short pack out. That's which never happens.
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  Speaker 5: That's great, and now you have elk in the freezer
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  Speaker 5: for your growing family.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: What's your sons? Did I blow it?
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  Speaker 3: No, it's it's announced. One on the way. Yeah, this
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  Speaker 3: is live. He's gonna yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's go back and cut that.
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  Speaker 2: And if we could trim that out for the YouTube audience,
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  Speaker 2: that would be and done.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean you're gonna feed that animal, yeah, which is
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  Speaker 2: cool to think about. Beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I get ready to throw that meat and a blender.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a strong, handsome young Morris.
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  Speaker 4: Little meat smoothies for the that's right.
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  Speaker 3: What's your actually?
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  Speaker 6: Spencer Spencer Newharts in the chat which we all love,
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  Speaker 6: he says. Now Seth has to get back a Randa
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  Speaker 6: by telling a secret about him.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, secrets. Secrets are no fun unless you take secrets.
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  Speaker 2: Do I have.
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  Speaker 3: All the secrets I know about Randa? Would put him
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  Speaker 3: in jail.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, let's avoid those. Thanks for asking about my
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  Speaker 2: elk hunt. Yeah, it's great opening morning. This was a
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  Speaker 2: close buddy. We packed in day before openers, set up
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  Speaker 2: a nice little.
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  Speaker 5: Camp, spend a good long time. Actually I haven't told
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  Speaker 5: you this part of my story.
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  Speaker 2: Spend a good long time pumping water and filling up
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  Speaker 2: our water bladders. And my buddy bent down to rerig
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  Speaker 2: the filter and his can of bear spray hooked on something.
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  Speaker 3: Oh you did tell me about.
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  Speaker 2: That, And so this is I'm standing like five feet
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  Speaker 2: away and he's bent over and I just hear this,
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  Speaker 2: sorry to the listeners.
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  Speaker 5: And I thought it was a bear.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they should really look into making bear spray
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  Speaker 2: deployments not sound like bears, because at first I thought
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  Speaker 2: it was just a bear huffing, and then I realized
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  Speaker 2: he had just fired off a one second burst of
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  Speaker 2: bear spray, and I immediately thought we were going to
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  Speaker 2: have to evac As they say, thankfully, it just went
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  Speaker 2: straight into his backpack, and once we realized we didn't
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  Speaker 2: have any on our hands or faces, we scrubbed his
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  Speaker 2: backpack with snow, and to be honest, a bear could
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  Speaker 2: probably smell it, but we couldn't. Interesting So that yeah,
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  Speaker 2: then spotted some elk. Then Saturday mornings, the opener didn't
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  Speaker 2: see any folks saw a lot of elk, and they
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  Speaker 2: moved onto public land, which is where we had permission
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  Speaker 2: to hunt, and.
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  Speaker 5: Got to a couple of bulls.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of smaller bulls sneaked across the property line
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  Speaker 2: there and I had an opportunity for a shot. It's
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  Speaker 2: my rifle. I placed the bullet accurately and uh tremendous damage.
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  Speaker 2: Elk went down quickly, and then we packed it out
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  Speaker 2: and we were back sleeping in well, we were sleeping
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  Speaker 2: in separate beds, but we were sleeping in bed at
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  Speaker 2: my house that night, each each with I had two dogs.
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  Speaker 2: He had one.
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  Speaker 3: What time of morning did you shoot that bull?
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  Speaker 8: Uh?
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  Speaker 5: Late morning, like round ten thirty.
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  Speaker 3: Mine was nine thirty.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's.
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  Speaker 5: Odd because we killed the exact same bull.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So at some point we're gonna have to bring
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  Speaker 2: our bulls together and try to decide if a man
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  Speaker 2: could tell the difference between the two because they were
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  Speaker 2: remarkably similar.
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  Speaker 3: They are remarkably remarkably similar.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the bowl we killed was at high noon day
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  Speaker 4: after but really, yeah, never give up throughout the day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, high noon, Yeah, I mean it is It is funny.
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  Speaker 2: I've killed some things by just thinking to myself, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to kill anything if I go home
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  Speaker 2: now and then it happens.
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  Speaker 3: What was ebel? Was that a five by five? It
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  Speaker 3: was yep, ten just just a just three ten pointers,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Ye if that means yeah, five by five, that's thirty
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  Speaker 2: points altogether.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, great work, congrats fellas.
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  Speaker 2: Joining us on the line first is friend of the program,
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  Speaker 2: Meet Eater managing editor Jordan Sillers. His new podcast, Blood
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  Speaker 2: Trails is officially out as of today, Thursday, October thirtieth,
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  Speaker 2: so go subscribe and check it out.
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  Speaker 5: Jordan, Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 9: Hey, good to be here.
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  Speaker 2: You you just had a successful hunt of your own,
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  Speaker 2: if I recall correctly from the gram I did. Yes.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I got to go out to Colorado and get
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  Speaker 9: mule deer.
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  Speaker 3: Very nice?
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  Speaker 5: Is that a first mule deer? As a Texan.
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  Speaker 9: It is, yes, first mule deer as a Texan. So
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  Speaker 9: you know, not nothing huge, but three by three I
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  Speaker 9: was very happy with.
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  Speaker 2: Very good.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, a good end to about five or six days
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  Speaker 9: of hunting.
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  Speaker 5: Nice, very cool, cool way to go.
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  Speaker 3: Congrats, Jordan, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: The first episode of Blood Trails comes out today and
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  Speaker 2: it involves the disappearance of a hunter named Bob Christian.
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  Speaker 2: Can you tell us a little bit about the facts
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  Speaker 2: of the case.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, So, Bob Christian was an eighteen year old kid.
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  Speaker 9: He's a college freshman. He lived in Madison, Wisconsin, and
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  Speaker 9: he had a plan to go hunting on the opening
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  Speaker 9: day of archery season. And this was all the way
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  Speaker 9: back in nineteen seventy seven, so he was, you know,
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  Speaker 9: one of the earlier people to really get into archery,
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  Speaker 9: archery hunting white tail, and so the plan was there.
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  Speaker 9: He was going to drive up to his buddy's house
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  Speaker 9: in Bearaboo, which is about a forty five minute drive
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  Speaker 9: from where he lived. They were going to he was
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  Speaker 9: going to spend the night at his friend's house on Friday.
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  Speaker 9: They were going to get up early on Saturday and
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  Speaker 9: go hunting. But Bob was supposed to be at his
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  Speaker 9: friend's house around six pm for dinner. But he never
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  Speaker 9: showed up. And this was obviously before a cell phone,
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  Speaker 9: so they couldn't just call him, and so they waited
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  Speaker 9: and waited and waited. He didn't show up all, you know.
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  Speaker 9: All that Friday night, they went out looking for him,
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  Speaker 9: and they found the car he was driving in a
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  Speaker 9: kind of a remote area that was actually an area
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  Speaker 9: that he had experience hunting in, but that's not the
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  Speaker 9: area that they had planned to hunt. And the weird
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  Speaker 9: thing about this is the car was found but all
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  Speaker 9: of its wheels and tires had been removed. I think
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  Speaker 9: the battery had been removed, a few other things. And
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  Speaker 9: so they found the car, they looked inside. Bob wasn't
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  Speaker 9: in there. All of his archery stuff was gone, all
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  Speaker 9: of his hunting gear was gone. I think there was
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  Speaker 9: a letterman jacket that he owned was still in there,
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  Speaker 9: but there was no sign of him. So they searched
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  Speaker 9: the area for several days, still couldn't find him, and
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  Speaker 9: to this day, no one knows what happened to him.
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  Speaker 9: And there were a few kind of weird things they
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  Speaker 9: found out throughout the investigation. A few people saw the
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  Speaker 9: car that Friday night driving around. It's unclear if Bob
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  Speaker 9: was the one driving it, and to this day, no
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  Speaker 9: one quite knows what happened. So that's that's the first
• 12:21
  Speaker 9: episode of Blood Trails.
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  Speaker 8: Uh.
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  Speaker 9: It's out now. It's on Spotify, you know, anywhere you
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  Speaker 9: get your podcasts, so you can go go check that out.
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  Speaker 2: So how did you first learn about Bob's story. It's
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  Speaker 2: a it's a fifty year old cold case. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think anyone here who's on our radar. How
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  Speaker 2: did you find out about this?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah? So I found out about this because the detective
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  Speaker 9: who's currently in charge of the case for the Saut
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  Speaker 9: County Sheriff's Office, he reached out to me. We put
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  Speaker 9: out that first kind of pilot episode of Blood Trails
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  Speaker 9: back in March, and he heard about it and he
• 12:56
  Speaker 9: reached out and said, you know, I'm working on this
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  Speaker 9: cold case. It's about a hunter. I think it's something
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  Speaker 9: that you guys could cover on Blood Trails. And he's
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  Speaker 9: really been pushing to get you know, more people, uh,
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  Speaker 9: to to get the word out about the case because
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  Speaker 9: at this point, there isn't a whole lot of physical
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  Speaker 9: evidence that's available, and so it really will come down
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  Speaker 9: to someone coming forward who knows something, and so he's
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  Speaker 9: trying to trying to get the word out.
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  Speaker 2: So I assume you you have included that UH investigator
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  Speaker 2: in your in your reporting. Who else did you speak
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  Speaker 2: to uh while researching this case?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, so I talked with the detective of Tyler Poynton,
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  Speaker 9: and then he connected me with Bob's sister, and then
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  Speaker 9: also with that friend that he was supposed to meet,
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  Speaker 9: And so for this episode, Uh, you know, I I
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  Speaker 9: talked with really the the people who have the most
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  Speaker 9: knowledge about this case who are still alive. Bob's parents
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  Speaker 9: have passed away, but I was able to talk with
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  Speaker 9: his sister, uh, and then and then his friend. So
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  Speaker 9: and they are very kind, you know, It's it's one
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  Speaker 9: of those things that is difficult for them to talk about,
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  Speaker 9: but they want to know what happened to their brother
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  Speaker 9: and to their friend, and so they were willing to
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  Speaker 9: talk with me.
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  Speaker 2: What what drew you to the story? I mean, obviously
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of cases like this. Is there is
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  Speaker 2: there anything in particular that grabbed your attention when you
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  Speaker 2: heard about it?
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  Speaker 9: I mean, there's with this particular story, there are some
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  Speaker 9: very strange details that are really kind of inexplicable. One
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  Speaker 9: of the people who saw Bob's car saw it it
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  Speaker 9: was it had pulled up the driveway of a cabin
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  Speaker 9: where a nun lived, and she talked with the person
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  Speaker 9: driving the car and he said, I'm looking for my
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  Speaker 9: friend Bob. But the description she gave of this person
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  Speaker 9: driving Bob's car looked a lot like Bob, and so
• 14:56
  Speaker 9: that's difficult to explain. There's all also a potential connection
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  Speaker 9: to the Chicago serial killer John Wayne Gacy, and so
• 15:06
  Speaker 9: that's you know, and and that's currently being investigated. We're
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  Speaker 9: actually waiting right now for some DNA results to come
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  Speaker 9: back to see if there's a connection there. So there's
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  Speaker 9: lots of interesting details. I also, I think with this
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  Speaker 9: this podcast, you know, a true crime podcast about hunters
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  Speaker 9: and anglers, I think our audience has a really unique
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  Speaker 9: opportunity to push some of these cases forward because there'll
• 15:34
  Speaker 9: be people in our audience who are from that area
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  Speaker 9: who know the place that that Bob's car was found,
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  Speaker 9: and so they might have some information. And I also
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  Speaker 9: think our audience is gonna is going to care about
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  Speaker 9: these stories more so than you know, your kind of
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  Speaker 9: standard true crime general audience. I think, you know, we
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  Speaker 9: we want to figure out what happened to these people
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  Speaker 9: who love to do this the same things that we
• 15:58
  Speaker 9: love to do.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you mentioned, you mentioned that there's these bizarre details.
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  Speaker 2: What's the most surprising thing you turned up in this
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  Speaker 2: in this case during your reporting?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think it's that John Wayne Gacy connection,
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  Speaker 9: which Gaysey was arrested I believe in nineteen seventy eight,
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  Speaker 9: so that was just one year after Bob disappeared. And
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  Speaker 9: the fact that that we just now are kind of
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  Speaker 9: learning about this. The detective who's in charge got a
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  Speaker 9: tip from someone who said that Gaysey did some work
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  Speaker 9: at their at there. I believe it was an inn
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  Speaker 9: or a hotel. He Gaysey did some work there, which
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  Speaker 9: is around the same area that Bob disappeared around the
• 16:46
  Speaker 9: same time. And so they're they're looking at some of
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  Speaker 9: the DNA from the some Gaysey victims that haven't been identified.
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  Speaker 9: And so just the fact that it's been almost fifty
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  Speaker 9: years and we're still learning more where there's still leads
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  Speaker 9: to follow, and some of those leads are very surprising
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  Speaker 9: and I mean obviously very disturbing. I think that's was
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  Speaker 9: definitely the most surprising thing from this episode.
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  Speaker 2: M This is obviously just the first of your series.
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  Speaker 2: Can you give listeners a sense of what else they
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: can expect in the weeks ahead and how frequently these
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: will be coming out?
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 17:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely. So this first season is going to have
• 17:31
  Speaker 9: eight episodes. The first one comes out today and then
• 17:34
  Speaker 9: they'll come out every Thursday until those those eight episodes
• 17:38
  Speaker 9: are over. And so the next two episodes is going
• 17:40
  Speaker 9: to be a two part series about a there was
• 17:45
  Speaker 9: in nineteen ninety six, a fifteen year old girl was murdered.
• 17:48
  Speaker 9: They couldn't figure out who did it. Last year they
• 17:52
  Speaker 9: found her killer. It turned out to be a BLM
• 17:56
  Speaker 9: biologist who still lived in the area. He was also
• 18:00
  Speaker 9: big time hunter, very involved in the hunting community, and
• 18:03
  Speaker 9: so those two episodes cover that investigation, how he was
• 18:07
  Speaker 9: found out, and then we really dive into this question
• 18:11
  Speaker 9: of how could someone do this right and then go
• 18:14
  Speaker 9: on to kind of live a normal life. So that's
• 18:16
  Speaker 9: the next two episodes. The one after that is about
• 18:19
  Speaker 9: a hunter who was murdered with his own rifle. They
• 18:23
  Speaker 9: don't know who did it. The one after that is
• 18:26
  Speaker 9: a similar kind of disappearance case similar to the Bob
• 18:29
  Speaker 9: Christian case, but there's a lot more information. Detectives think
• 18:33
  Speaker 9: they know who did it, but they've been unable to
• 18:37
  Speaker 9: basically gather enough evidence. There's a story of a hunter
• 18:43
  Speaker 9: who was stabbed seventeen times. He was found out in
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: the woods and they ruled it a suicide. So we
• 18:51
  Speaker 9: get into that and some of the reasons that the
• 18:53
  Speaker 9: evidence for that. So lots of interesting stuff. This is
• 18:56
  Speaker 9: not a podcast where every story is a cold case
• 19:00
  Speaker 9: and you don't have a resolution. Some of these stories
• 19:02
  Speaker 9: have been solved, but I would say there's still a
• 19:04
  Speaker 9: lot of questions, a lot of unanswered questions with which
• 19:08
  Speaker 9: with each of these cases. So really excited to share
• 19:11
  Speaker 9: these stories, and like I said, hopefully we can move
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: some of these cases forward. Hopefully some of our audience
• 19:17
  Speaker 9: will will know something and be able to help out.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan, we do have one more question for you
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: from the chat. Spencer wants to know the story behind
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: the baseball on the shelf behind you.
• 19:30
  Speaker 9: Oh, that's just a little league I got the game
• 19:35
  Speaker 9: ball one game.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
• 19:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, thank you, just that at some point Yeah, no, man, no,
• 19:44
  Speaker 9: it's it was a shining moment of my baseball career.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Honestly, beautiful, beautiful.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Well, Jordan, good to see you. Congrats on this. I
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: know it's been a tremendous amount of work and folks
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: are excited. So again to the audience. Uh, check out
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Blood Trails, go find it, subscribe and uh you can
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: look forward to eight episodes in the coming weeks.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, And just one quick plug if you have a
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: story you think we should cover. Uh, we have an
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: email addressed set up. It's just Blood Trails at the
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: meater dot com. So you know, send, send me your ideas.
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: I'm I'm always looking for a good story.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Awesome, Thank you, Jordan, appreciate it.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good lord Jordan.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, got goosebumps. Watch your six while you're out in
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: the woods.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: Our next segment is fake.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: News, news, beat tape and rush shop.
• 20:40
  Speaker 10: You talk TAKEE balloon booking to you about Steve. It's
• 20:44
  Speaker 10: a better shot than done this.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: So where is that soaked?
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: This opportunity comes once e for a few weeks.
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: You can do anything you set your minds to you guys,
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: except like teleport or fly or something stuff like that.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: You know, that's it was that a new touch at
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: the end.
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: No, it's just everyone always talks over it, so it's
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: been hidden. There's a few of those in some of
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: my drops for this, like little Sneak, Sneak at the end,
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: and I've never mentioned it, but thanks for calling me Phil.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Little slim shady mix.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Fake news is where I read a series of headlines
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: in which a real one is hiding among three impostors.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Your job is to figure out which one is true.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Can't wait? Bring it on all ready for this? Ben
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: or Randall?
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: Yes?
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: And uh?
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Phil?
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: Would you keep score? Please?
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Uh? Probably not. I think I'm so simple.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I'll keep score.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Thanks.
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Our first headline comes from the venerable journalistic outlet People
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: dot com.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Sorry, Randall, hold on a sec here.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: No, it's fine.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: No, it's not your fault at all.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: No, No, I didn't really think about how complicated it
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: was on your end of just killed time for.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Longer, Randall, Light, I forget.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: I see you have it up.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Now it's up.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: Now I'll do that again.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Great.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Our first headline comes from the venerable journalistic outlet People
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: dot com formerly People Magazine. Aggressive blank destroyed after escaping
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: from overturned truck, but one is still on the loose.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Oh I just read this.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: No, oh, that kind of don't.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Show them, don't show them. I'll read that headline again
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: for those of you playing at home, aggressive blank destroyed
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: after escaping from overturned truck, but one is still on
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: the loose. Your options are A lions, B elephants, C
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: monkeys or D wild horses.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: All could be aggressive.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a trick.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: That was That was tricky for me when I was
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: coming up with the fake answers as I had to
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: choose aggressive animals that could be turned. It could be
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: in an overturned truck.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: You don't think the word destroyed harmed the animal? Do you?
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I do? Actually I do.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: I did not hear about that.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: That's a clinical term.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: A lions, B elephants this weekend, C monkeys or D
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: wild horses.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Interesting?
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: What could it be?
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Seth's got an answer because Seth keeps up with his
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: social media headlines People Magazine. I thought, I thought this
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: might be too obvious because it's been all over has it? Yeah?
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Interesting?
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Must That shouldn't shape your thinking, Corey, You should just
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: follow your gut. Is A lions, B elephants, C monkeys
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: or D wild horses.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Well, golly, you can't hide an elephant. This here we go, Carolina. No, okay,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: definitely haven't heard about it.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Let's go all right, flip over your boards, gentlemen, we
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: both say c monkeys. Darn it, you both got it correct.
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: I saw gripping grin. I'm gonna yeah, so like some
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: hunters got after him. I guess you're unless that was
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: fake news. But I saw on the webs that I
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: don't know, some hunter was sitting in a deer stand
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: and one came by.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know who got the monkeys,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: but I can tell you that a truck carrying twenty
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: one Recis monkeys from Tulane University to a testing facility
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: in Florida overturned just on Tuesday, setting the primates loose.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: The Jasper County Sheriff's Department posted on Facebook that quote,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: the monkeys are approximately forty pounds, aggressive to humans, and
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: carry hepatitis, C, herpes, and COVID. Howat, in a separate
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: statement to Lane University, said the monkeys had not been
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: exposed to any of these Sure good people contacted the
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Jasper County Sheriff's Department, who had no additional comment about
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: the discrepancy and information and referred to follow their social
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: media pages for updates on the case. So if a
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: deer hunter got one of those monkeys, I'm not sure.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I assumed it was the Sheriff's department, But.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Boy, stay tuned for on the missing monkey.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Real exciting start to our game. We're tied at one
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: to one recess monkey. Our second headline comes to us
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: from the old Gray Lady the New York Times. Beware
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: of swiper a blank at Grand Teton Park with a
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: penchant for footwear? Yep, is it a a black bear,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: be a marmot, see a fox, or be a seasonal employee? Again,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: the headline reads, beware of swiper a blank at Grand
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Teton Park with a penchant for footwear. And your options
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: once again are a black bear, a marmot.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Do you know this one?
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: A fox or a seasonal employee.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: All options would potentially snag a footwear piece and take
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: it away back to their whole seasonal employee would be
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: living in a hole somewhere, for sure.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: It would be weird.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Though if his seasonal employee got a nickname from a newspaper, well,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess they could you know it's
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: like the Boston Strangler. M Seth's got an answer, Seth,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: are you confident Corey's got an answer?
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Pretty good? I narrowed it down to two.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: I think all right based on just your gut yep. Perfect.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: That's how we like to play around here.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Flip those boards over, boys, let me see him. Seth says, see,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: oh a fox, Cory says.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: Be a marmot. We have a correct answer in the room.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: It's a fox. WHOA I've been gut shot. Oh look
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: at that. Look at that photo there there is.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: The National Park Service announced on a poster wanted for
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: grand theft footwear with an illustration of a fox gripping
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: a sneaker in its teeth, crimes stealing left shoes, parentheses
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: they taste better flip flops, and camper's pride. This whimsical
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: wanted poster, which branded the fox, the sneaker Snatcher, the
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: midnight mismatcher, and swiper. The fox, was part of the
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: park's initial effort to warn campers that Parkerer's shoes had
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: been vanishing, but last week, unfortunately, the tally of purloined
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: footwear rose to thirty two because visitors were intentionally leaving
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: out their footwear as offerings to the Fox, just in
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: case he comes by.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: I wonder what he's doing with him.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: I don't know shoes, Yeah, that'd be interesting to see.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: I hope we get some more information on Swiper Fox
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: for a future episode of fake News, because I don't
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: know anything. So now it seems we have a one
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: to two deficit here. Seth is in the lead, Corey
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: is losing by one point correct, and there is one
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: headline left to go. Phil, Let's give it to him.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: A fisherman went digging for worms. Instead, he found thirteen
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: pounds of blank? Is it Civil war cannonballs, marijuana, ancient
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: treasure or dinosaur teeth?
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: Interesting?
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: Where was he that's going to give me?
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: A fisherman went digging for worms? He found thirteen pounds
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: of blank? Is it Civil war cannonballs, marijuana, ancient treasure
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: or dinosaur teeth.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: I wasn't around back in the Civil War, but I
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: feel like a cannon ball would have weighed about thirteen pounds.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: You know, I had I had problems when I was
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: coming up with my fake answers. I had problems thinking
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: of things that would be in the ground that you'd
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: measure in poundage.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Okay, so it's not a.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: No.
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: No.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: It could be well, of course, because if they were
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: different sized cannonballs, you wouldn't say a small one in
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: a medium one.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Sure chunks of balls pounds.
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: The chat is reprimanding all of you for not having
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: any reference to Dora the explore or when it comes
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: to Swiper the fox steals things, darn.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: Guilty as guilty as charged.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I think he wears a little zoro mask.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: Not a not a not a door guy.
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: It's a little little past your time, but it it helps.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: Seth's got an answer, Corey's got an answer.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: The a tie breaker.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: They've got different answers. No, I'm thinking of one as
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I do this. Uh you ready, Corey?
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: Show me what you got big boys?
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Cannonball?
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Corey says b weed. Seth says, A cannonballs. The correct
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: answer is c ancient treasure. A Swedish fisherman, searching for
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: gooey juicy worms to use his bait near his summer
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: home near Stockholm instead struck something far more solid, a
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: copper cauldron brimming with coins and jewelry. In total, defined
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: comprised thirteen pounds of Early Middle Ages silver.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Are we good, Phil, Yeah, don't worry about the TV.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: This is quote.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: This is probably one of the largest silver treasures from
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: the Early Middle Ages that has been found in Sweden,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: says Sophia Anderson, the antiquarian at the Stockholm County Administrative Board.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: She says this in a translated statement, so I don't
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: know the original Swedish. I assume that they translated her accurately.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Quote.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: We do not yet know how.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Excuse me, God, just take a breath, Randall.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: We do not yet know exactly how many coins there are,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: but I believe it could be upboard of twenty thousand. Wow,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: a veritable fortune in Middle Aged treasure.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Twenty thousand coins are twenty thousand dollars worth of coins?
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: Twenty thousand coins.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we have the exchange rate pinned down.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: That'd be interesting to know.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: But with that final question, Seth is the winner of
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: fake News by a score of two to one.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: Thanks for playing. I enjoyed this good game.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: That was great.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Back to our regularly scheduled programming and that brings us
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: to listener feedback. Phil, what does the chat have to say?
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Sorry if I'm rushing you.
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: No, it's no, it's fine, it's moving on. It's very
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: efficient and I appreciate that.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, that's the vibe we're.
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: Going When this show is run professionally, it kind of
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: catches me off.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Guard, you know, that's the vibe I'm going for here.
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: Uh, Mogor asks when will Daylight Saving Time end in Montana?
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: This year?
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: Ours just ended this past Sunday. I didn't know that
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: it's on different schedules around the world, but Mogor, I
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: believe is OURS is next week, next Tuesday.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: Saturday night day ends.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, usually it's a week.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Oh it's like a Sunday Saturday night into Sunday.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: Yes, right, okay, it's coming up soon.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: I think this is going to shift our shift.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: Our hunting hours around a little bit.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Here.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Sunset will be around five thirty.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Now sunset a week from Thursday. Sunset is at four
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: thirty really a week from today, yeah, this time next week,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: sunset will be.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: At four thirty yep, and barely light heired.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so we're gonna have old some earlier mornings,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: but also earlier evenings back at the tent.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: True try I enjoy long nights.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: Interesting question more thank you.
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we had a legitimate question about rifle calbers and
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: the chap At spencer. New Heart has just been fielding those.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Is that the bullet question? Yeah? Yeah, I like that one.
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: Uh well, there there is another bull asking if you
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: guys are shooting copper Oh yeah, that's the one I said, Okay, no, yeah, there.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Was one about whitetail caliber. Gotcha, Yeah, I.
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: Believe old Sethi is I'm shooting the all copper hornety
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: c X bullet out of my seven PRC.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: That's what I shot that bull with.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Hmm, beautiful. I am not same.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: Lead Seth is from Garrett. Why does Kelsey never paint
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: a picture? Paint pictures of Wiley? I don't give an
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: f about cowboys? Can I pet that dog?
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Can I pet that out?
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Well, if you are willing to spend some money, she
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: will do that. Yeah. I don't think get that commission.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: I don't think that brush moves for free.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: The cowboys pay the bills.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Wiley is very photogenic.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful animal. What else you got here for?
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: Well, here's another caliber question. Justin is asking does what
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: if you shoot a sig cross in three hundred wind
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: bag and if so, do you like it? I have
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: a Montana bear in Alaska. You know it's a mushy sentence,
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: but he's got some hunts and he wants to know
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: if that's a good thing to go with.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: Corey, Yeah, I sure do. It's the sig cross saw
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: tooth and a three hundred wind mag.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: I will say, I don't like carrying around the mountains,
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: but when it's time to shoot something, it's a dream.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: So well, yeah, I mean it's worth it. There's no
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: free lunch, true. I have a sig crossed the original magnum,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: not the saw tooth and three hundred wind mag and
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: uh yeah my uh my wife killed a buffalo with it,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: shooting a copper bullet. So just to tie those two
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: questions together, was that for some hosting, good job, ran, Yeah,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: three hundred wind mag can't go wrong unless unless your
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: recoil shy.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: Then you get a big break YEP or can or.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: A meat eater suppressor.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: Here's another plug for you. This question is from Dill Bean.
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: Any thoughts on the one hundred mile buffer zone bill
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: for quote border security and SNR unquote. We just released
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: a bonus flap this morning Steve talks to one of
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: his buddies about this whole topic. You can check that
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: out about what it's got Steve's thoughts in there. The
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: thing Steve said that I think kind of sums the
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: whole thing up is if you have a group of
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: people that are trying to do something very unpopular, unsuccessfully
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: for decades, and then they try to frame actually it's
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: about border security. Yeah right, and then they introduce a bill.
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: It smells fishy.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: So you know, I don't know enough about it to
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: speak to it knowledgeably.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Check out the podcast.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: Check out the podcast.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just stay out of the wilderness.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: All I have to say.
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: Ryan asks Randy, which I guess is something people call
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: you when, and what was your most recent cased meat meal?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Great question? Great question.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: Couldn't have been that long ago.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: No, No, it wasn't Saturday.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: Didn't you say something about a corn dog?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: No, that was the bull that I'm going to talk about. Gosh,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: that's a good question. Uh, I know I've been eating
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: bratwurst at home regularly.
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Ryan, I don't have a good answer for you.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that long ago.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: A couple of weeks got to be with you yea,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: within the last couple.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: Within two weeks, within two weeks for sure.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Well, that could be multiple questions. Case is in like
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: a sausage, or case is in like the hot case
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: from a gas station.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, it hasn't been that long since since I've tickled
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: the since I've tickled the hot case at town pump.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: That's where my head was.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: At tickled the hot case at town pump.
• 35:47
  Speaker 10: Ye.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: I think I read some online erotica, same.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Title, Phil, Please, you're live on air.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: I know we got kids.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: What else you got, Phil.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Steve Q.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: This is me of having a nun fetish in next
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: week's episode of The Mediator podcast. So that's not really
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: everything's out the window now, Dune folks. Yeah, you do
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: one more here? Yeah, I don't. Let's see what's Yeah,
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: here's one for all of you.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Phil. You're playing Destiny Rising.
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: No, I I I this is I don't know if
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: I've said this before. I have played thousands, literal thousands
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: of hours of Destiny two, and much like my game Fuel,
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: I had to quit that cold turkey. I do not
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: play Destiny anymore. Destiny Rising, okay, Randall. Destiny Rising is
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: the new mobile Destiny game I will not touch it.
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: I have never touched it. Take that to the bank
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: for all of you who care, gosh, which is as
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: or King.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: That's a fantastic listener feedback section. Thanks for wrapping up, Phil,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Keep question coming, Gang, keep them coming. Would love, would
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: love some more feedback. We're going to do an extended
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: feedback at the end of this episode.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: My co host just learned.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Up.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Next, we're gonna speak with Lauren Dolcater, who submitted one
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: of the most hair raising customer service emails in First
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Light's history after a tree limb impaled her leg. Lauren,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Hello, thank you for joining us.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: So as I understand it, you needed a replacement set
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: of kiln bass layers after a recent hunt in Wyoming.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: What were you hunting and when was this?
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: It was about five weeks ago. We were hunting archery elk.
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: It was middle of September, and yeah, we were there
• 37:43
  Speaker 8: up near Dubois, Wyoming, hunting elk for about a week and.
• 37:50
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it was The week was off to a great start.
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: We got into some milk and had a lot of
• 37:57
  Speaker 8: we had a close encounter with a moose. It was
• 38:01
  Speaker 8: just off to a great start and then Friday, on
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: day five, we uh, everything kind of changed.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Can you can you describe ut the incident that led
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: to your injury here? What happened?
• 38:18
  Speaker 10: Uh?
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah, So we were driving a side by side early morning,
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: so it was still dark and we were about forty
• 38:27
  Speaker 8: five minutes to an hour that we needed to get
• 38:30
  Speaker 8: up a pretty rough road to get where. We had
• 38:34
  Speaker 8: watched some elk go into Septimber the night before, so
• 38:38
  Speaker 8: we felt like we had a good chance, but we
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: needed to get up there before first light. And we've
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: driven up that road many times. But for some reason,
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: we were going up and my hunting partner was driving
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: and I was in the passenger seat, and I don't
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: remember if there was like something in the road or
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: just like a really big pothole or something, and he
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: kind of tried to miss it and we got too
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: close to the edge and there was a we were
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: driving through a burn and there was an old lodge
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: pole tree that was hanging over the edge of the
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: road and when we hit it, it came through the
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: side by side door and went into my leg.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: I will just say I have I have some pictures
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: that Lauren shared with us. There are not gory, but
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: I would say one of them is rather upsetting. At
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: least when I saw it, I got like full body chills.
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: So I'm gonna pull that up a little bit. If
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: you don't want to see that, look away.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Lauren, can you can you describe what was going
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: through your head? Right?
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: Has that happened? Did you know right away?
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Or did the did the side by side immediately come
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: to a stop? Like what was what was the first
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: so the first thing that happened or the next thing
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: that happened.
• 39:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the side by side came to a complete stop,
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: and me and my partner kind of just looked at
• 40:05
  Speaker 8: each other and I felt a pressure against my leg.
• 40:10
  Speaker 10: I didn't really feel.
• 40:11
  Speaker 8: Any sharp pain or anything, so immediately I just thought
• 40:14
  Speaker 8: that the side by side door kind of like pinned
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: me and my leg was stuck. And then I reached
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: down because he was starting to put it in reverse,
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: and I just kind of had a weird feeling and
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: I reached down and I could feel something going into
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: my leg. So I told him to stop, and I
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: was like, I think something's in my leg and he's like,
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: what do you mean? And so I turned on my
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: headlamp and looked down and I could see that that
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: tree was in my leg.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Out.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: How did your partner respond?
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Was it just the two of you?
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was just the two of us, he responded
• 40:54
  Speaker 8: pretty well. Obviously we were both shocked. He put it
• 40:58
  Speaker 8: in the park, and we both work in the medical field.
• 41:04
  Speaker 10: So I feel like that kind of helped us a
• 41:05
  Speaker 10: little bit.
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: Obviously, if you're getting paled by something, the last thing
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: you want to do is pull it out, right, So I.
• 41:15
  Speaker 10: Told him to put it in park and told him
• 41:17
  Speaker 10: to come.
• 41:18
  Speaker 8: Around the side of the side by side so we
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: could see if I was still attached to the tree
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: or if the branch had broke, which luckily it had,
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: that would have been a whole another orga trying to
• 41:29
  Speaker 8: get off of that. But yeah, just from the crash,
• 41:35
  Speaker 8: the fender flare of the side by side had enough
• 41:39
  Speaker 8: pressure that it broke the branch or end of the
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: tree actually, but there was about probably about three feet
• 41:50
  Speaker 8: of it hanging off from my leg, and we were
• 41:53
  Speaker 8: able to get the side by side door.
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: Open and kind of.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: She'll be right back.
• 42:02
  Speaker 8: We were able to get the side by side open
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: and situate the piece of wood into the side by
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: side with me, and I kind of just had to
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: almost stand up with my good leg and hold onto
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: the ceiling of the side by side and keep my
• 42:15
  Speaker 8: legs straight for a twenty minute ride back down the mountain.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. And then what what It's obviously at
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: some point you got medical attention from first responders.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: What was that like?
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Did you drive to the hospital or did they come
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: out to pick you up or what did that look like?
• 42:36
  Speaker 10: So I keep a garment in reach for obviously things
• 42:40
  Speaker 10: like this.
• 42:40
  Speaker 8: But I knew because we've hunted there for a few years,
• 42:44
  Speaker 8: we knew that we were only about twenty minutes from
• 42:47
  Speaker 8: cell service and we needed to get down the mountain anyways.
• 42:51
  Speaker 8: And where we had cell service, we knew an ambulance
• 42:54
  Speaker 8: could get there and there'd be enough room for a
• 42:56
  Speaker 8: helicopter to land. So we got down there, called nine
• 43:02
  Speaker 8: one one, and they sent an ambulance that was stationed
• 43:08
  Speaker 8: down in Doboys, which was only about fifteen minutes from
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: where we were. So they sent an ambulance up and
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: got Ivy started and helped me out with meds and
• 43:22
  Speaker 8: trying to figure out if we were able to drive
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: to a hospital because we're about an hour and a
• 43:26
  Speaker 8: half from the nearest hospital.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: And at this point I'm sure the pain had set in.
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely, it was more so like cramping pain, like
• 43:40
  Speaker 8: my muscles were obviously trying to reject whatever was.
• 43:43
  Speaker 10: In my leg.
• 43:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and I think with enough adrenaline nothing was sharp pain.
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: But definitely was scared of what kind of outcomes my head.
• 43:58
  Speaker 10: But yeah, So we were on.
• 44:00
  Speaker 8: The scene for probably about an hour and then they
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: decided they wanted to fly me to a trauma center
• 44:06
  Speaker 8: because we were over four hour drive from the nearest
• 44:09
  Speaker 8: trauma center, and so yeah, they landed a helicopter and
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: flew me to Idaho Falls.
• 44:16
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: What after you got to the hospital? What were the
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: extent of your injuries? And how are you doing today.
• 44:26
  Speaker 8: I got extremely lucky with the path that the tree
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: went in. It missed bone and arteries and everything that's
• 44:36
  Speaker 8: super important. It did get my glute muscle a little
• 44:41
  Speaker 8: bit because it went about six inches into my leg,
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: But yeah, I got there. They did some cts really quick,
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: make sure that I didn't hit any arteries that would
• 44:54
  Speaker 8: cause me to bleed out or anything like that, and
• 44:57
  Speaker 8: I was in surgery within a half hour and they
• 45:01
  Speaker 8: just went in and took it out and cleaned everything.
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: The biggest worry was infection. So the surgeon did really
• 45:10
  Speaker 8: good and got it all cleaned out. And yeah, I'm
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: really lucky. I was walking within two hours of surgery.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: That'sable.
• 45:20
  Speaker 8: And yeah, I was actually able to go on a
• 45:24
  Speaker 8: hunt last week that.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, did you get did you get your replacement base
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: layers yet? From first light, I hope the answer is yes,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: otherwise this can be tremendously embarrassing.
• 45:43
  Speaker 10: They they have.
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: Sent them, they're on their way. Uh, it's more on
• 45:47
  Speaker 8: my end. I'm having little issues with a change of
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: address situation. Oh sure, customer service was great and they
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: sent them out right away.
• 45:56
  Speaker 10: And yeah, it's turned into quite the story.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be a story. That's gonna be a
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: hunting camp story for the Ages.
• 46:07
  Speaker 10: Yeah, luckily everything turned out good.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm glad.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear that you got back out there.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: That was my next question is what the rest of
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: your season looks like. So I'm glad to hear that
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: you got back out there and that you weren't more
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: seriously injured by this. It's very lucky that you guys
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: have the medical training that you do, because I think
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: had some other folks been in that same situation, cooler's
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: heads would not have prevailed.
• 46:32
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm very thankful for that background.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Lauren, Thanks for thanks for sharing your story with us.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Good luck out there this fall. And yeah, incredible story
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: and glad you're okay, And please reach out should anything
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: like this happen again fingers crossed it doesn't, but please
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: please reach out and and yeah, it's great to chat
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 46:58
  Speaker 10: Sounds great. Thank you guys for having me on.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Thanks Lauren, good luck.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Oh brutal.
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm still tense. My body's tense.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Ye.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I knew a friend of my sorry, a mother of
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: one of my friends growing up, had a similar deal
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: riding a quad through the woods and had a stick
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: right basically ride up the side of her knee and enter.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: Her leg after getting flipped up from a tire.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's uh g, that's super gnarly.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: I think we meant to do this, but it's kind
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: of an ironic show. With Halloween tomorrow, we got a
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: lot of gore and murder and you.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Know, yeah Halloween esque that we did not think about that,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: but man, those pictures are happy. Halloween make me shaky.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Do you need a sip of water? Are you good?
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: You need a second?
• 47:50
  Speaker 8: No?
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, No, I'm good, I'm good. It's the responsibility of
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: the host to keep this thing moving. But I am
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: affected by that story, and I'm really glad that they
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: sent out those replacement based layers. I figured I could
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: be setting us up for tremendous embarrassment as a company,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: and I was gonna offer to send them myself. Go
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: down to the store and you know, I use the
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: employee discount and all that. But good on first light.
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: Hey, great customer service.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: Hard pivot.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Going to try to regain my composure as we get
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: into another Throwback Thursday, and there's no musical.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: There is stream Yards having some issues to they We
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: got to nineteen seventy four.
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: Roll back.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: I can't believe it.
• 48:38
  Speaker 10: Did I mentioned Steven Ronnie our old ash.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: For today's Throwback Thursday. We've got a real treat for you, folks.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: We each brought in our first bull elk and we're
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: going to share those stories. Maybe we should go and
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: order of trophy size. Oh, because I didn't realize we
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: were bringing our first six points.
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: But seth for those of you who weren't in this
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: room before the show started. This is all Randall has
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: been able to talk about for the last hour.
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought we were bringing in raghorns. You, I
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: can't help things. Leaning up against the wall to my armpit.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Says like, I can't help it.
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: My first bulls great bull.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: No, it's a good bull. It's a great first bull.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: But I didn't realize that we were going to do
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: this thing. So Seth, why don't you tell the story
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: of your first bullet.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: It's not a huge six point, No it's not. It's
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: just the biggest barely.
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: It's barely a six point just so everybody was.
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: The camera wide enough to get this, just just barely, Seth,
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: this is this is my first Yeah, let me up
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: to the mill.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Thank you. This is my first bull that I ever killed.
• 49:53
  Speaker 7: And it just so happened that this was back in
• 49:56
  Speaker 7: twenty sixteen, my first hunting season in Montana. How old
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: were you, I don't know, twenty six, twenty five.
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: Five again young buck.
• 50:10
  Speaker 7: But yeah, so I had just recently become a resident
• 50:14
  Speaker 7: in twenty sixteen. I went to FWP headquarters in Helenum
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: and picked up my tags, and then the next day
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: I went up to a hunting spot that I had
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: been scouting.
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: Wait, this was literally the day after you bought your tag.
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, amazing, and was deer hunting. I was deer hunting
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: the spot that I had been been looking at some
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: some big deer at and uh, you know, I just
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: happened to come across this guy that was bedded in
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: some willows way way back in there.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: I was with good buddy Rick Hutton.
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: Shout out Rick, Rick.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I ended up shooting this bull at last light.
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: And I, you know, very new to elk hunting at
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: this point in my life, and very new to Western
• 50:59
  Speaker 7: hunting in general, and didn't really.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: Totally know what I was doing. So we gutted this thing.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: And we were six miles from the.
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: Truck, So instead of cutting it up that night in
• 51:14
  Speaker 7: the dark, we just gutted it and got the guts
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: away from it because we were in some grizz country,
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: thick thick griz country. In fact, every time we pretty
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: much scouted that area we ran into grizzlies. But yeah,
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: I gutted this thing, rolled the guts down the hill
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: quite a ways away from it, and we left to
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: come back in the morning to cut it up, which
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: you know, in hindsight, I probably would have just stayed
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: there and cut the thing up.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but just not shot at six miles deep.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah that too.
• 51:45
  Speaker 7: But that night, so we started hiking back to the truck,
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: and it was well after dark, and the wind picked
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: up and there was like a cold front coming in
• 51:57
  Speaker 7: that night, and so you know, Rick and I we
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: were hustling to get out of there. We kind of
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: stripped down to our bass layers, you know, so we
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: weren't getting all sweaty. And got back to the truck
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: and Rick was acting real weird. I couldn't figure out
• 52:14
  Speaker 7: what was going on with him. He could like barely talk.
• 52:16
  Speaker 7: He was kind of drooling a little bit, saying he
• 52:19
  Speaker 7: was real hot. Well, you know, later we figured out
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: that Rick had gotten hypothermia walking.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: Out of there dangerous.
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: So yeah, that was that was my first experience, quite
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: an adventure.
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: With hypothermia, like seeing that for the first time, and
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: you know, also my first experience killing a six point
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: elk beautiful.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: So yeah, that's the story of this guy.
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Seth.
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, don't you think we should have started from the
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: smallest to the largest. I think that would have been
• 52:48
  Speaker 6: like a more kind of satisfying progression.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't think about that.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: That's fine.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: First balls, they're all the same size and memory.
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: This time next year when we do this again, well
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: do it that way.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: So let's see if we're going in order here.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I think years bigger than mine?
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: Is it?
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: No?
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: Oh, you want me to go, I'll go, I'll go,
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: I'll go.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm the smallest.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Please let me go.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: Let me go, Randon, why don't you go?
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: It might be close, it's gonna be they're really sick.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Your points are longer.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: Hey, thanks?
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: What if my head set back on? This is a
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: weird way to hold a bowl.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: Very well done, European mounts, I will say.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is my first bull. It's not going for
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: the listening audience. I'm having trouble fitting it in the
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: frame with me, not because it's large, but because I
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: don't have good sense of my spatial awareness. So this,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: this bowl I killed in the fall of twenty eighteen,
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: I believe twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen. It was the day
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: after Thanksgiving, and my brother in law was in town
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: from Seattle, and he's very interested in hunting, and he's
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: watch his metater and.
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: Never been out hunting.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: And I had a white tail b tag for a
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: unit west of Missoula, and we thought, well, why don't
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: we take Jason out in the morning and shoot a
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: white tail dough and show him what hunting's all about,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: And so we drive in.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: There and it's basically like a forest service road and
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: we'd hike down to the river and there's just some
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: openings and see a lot of deer in there. And
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: we passed a truck on the way in, because it's
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: the day after Thanksgiving. We passed a truck that's got
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: like eight dudes in it, you know, from ten years
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: old to eighty years old, and they're like three hundred
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: yards from where we're parking. We're like, all right, I
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: guess you know, we'll get this side. We start walking
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: from the truck, I see a white tailed dough.
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: Phil cue the picture. Oh absolutely sorry, Sorry God, I
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: did this again to you?
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Oh no, You're fine. Is this is on me? Randall.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: I'm the engineer back here. I should be prepared for everything.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: So Sydney. Sydney started to take a picture. I'm about
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: I'm setting up to shoot this white tailed dough and
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: next photo.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Oh I believe that was the next photo.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you did it right, I just it's my
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: mistake again.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: A big dough down.
• 55:31
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: So I'm setting up to shoot this dough and it
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: wanders behind a little like finger ridge that's you know,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: like thirty feet tall, just like a little finger going
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: down to the to the river bottom. And so I said, oh, perfect,
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: let's drop down there. We'll walk up that finger and
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: she'll walk up the other side, because she was just
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: kind of feeding up. And so we start walking up
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: this finger and another dough squorts past, and I think
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: to myself, oh, I should every now and then check
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: over my right shoulder instead of just locking in on
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: the left side.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: We're expecting this dough.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I should check over my right shoulder just
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: to make sure nothing's over there. And we get a
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: little ways up and I look over my right shoulder
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: and I see this big tan body and I'm thinking, oh,
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: that's that looks like the color of an elk's body.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: And then I look again and I'm like, oh, that
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: looks like the color of an elk's neck. And then
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: I realized there's antlers and this thing is bedded broadside
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: to me with just its face behind a tree, like
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: the tree was literally only covering its eye so it
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: didn't see us. It's probably at like fifty yards.
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: Wow, that's the little luck that it takes to oh man,
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: that you stopped, you know, and see.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: And so Sydney, Sydney and Jason are standing next to
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: me and they're looking to the left and I hear
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: one of them.
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: Go, oh, there's the dough and I just go shut them.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: You know, and uh. And they have no idea what's happening.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: And then I start shooting and I shoot this thing.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: It stands up, two other bulls run off. I shoot
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: it again and it flips over. That shot. Well, well,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: so Phil, go back, go back, go back, go back,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: go back, go back.
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: Okay, next slide.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: So Sydney's like, Sydney's like, oh my god, Randall just
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: shot his first bull and like, I'm standing here. I
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: just watched the whole thing. And so she started taking
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: photos of me, like walking down to it. And you'll
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: see in this photo that it's lying It's on a
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: steep slope, its head is kind of tucked under it,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: and it's lying there. And we walk down to it.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: And then you'll see in the next photo, all of
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: a sudden it's getting up. And so this thing, as
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: I approached it, it started like donkey kicking, and like
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: I said, it's head was wrapped under it. So all
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: of a sudden it flips itself up and over like
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: rodeo clown. I am ten feet away from it, and
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: it starts running away, and I'm thinking, it's going to
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: run to this truck with these other dudes. And I'm
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: just thinking, my first bull is going to be shot
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: by an entire extended clan and they're gonna have a
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: great Thanksgiving Day and I'm gonna have the bitterest Thanksgiving
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: weekend of all time. So then I start shooting it again.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: So Phil, if you'll proceed, So we have this whole
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: sequence of photos of it standing up again.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: You shoulder your rifle.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: You see see rifles shouldered, and I'm like twenty yards
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: away from it.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: Next one, you look closer than that.
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: Next one, Oh, I mean I was.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: I was afraid it was gonna kick me when it
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: initially started freaking out. Next one, he's off. Next one
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: finally go after like on my last the last round
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: in the magazine, I mean, he ran to the bottom
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: of hill and just stood there and I shot him
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: again and finally tipped over and walked down there and
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: pretty shocked by the whole thing.
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: This is like at nine o'clock. You can see my
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: face here.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: We're in a lot of sick in that photo.
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: But you'll you will see an f HF bino harness
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: in a.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: First light blaze orange watching this. It's fine, No, it's fine.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: It shouldn't be a big deal now.
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: And then the next photo that's me and Sydney.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: It was a very cool, cool thing to have her
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: there for it. And then uh, next photo, we have
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: a little family, a little family pack out. And then
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: we went to the old U Thomas Marbar in Missoula,
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: watched some some football that's great, had a few cold ones.
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: Lovely you're making glue with those hooks or.
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know that's that was a mistake.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: Like I said, ladies and gentlemen, we're talking.
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: Jannis Ptelis just walked into the studio. Jannis ptell Us.
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: Tell the folks how you're doing.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty hungry, Randa, we have a lunch date right now.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, we're running over on time. It is,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: so you're literally interrupted the live show to tell us
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: that you want to go eat lunch. Now. Yeah, well,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: we've got one story left here and it's Corey Culkins.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: We're telling the story of our first bull, elk Oh.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: I'm here to listen, right, Here's here's my first ball.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: I was a dandy fourteen or fifteen dandy.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: I can't quite remember exactly what year this was, but
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: I think it was a sophomore in high school potentially. Anyway,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: Southern Montana opening day.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: I do remember we.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: Glassed up Elk the night before, which back then opener
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: was on a Sunday. Anybody miss those days? And so Saturday,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: I remember glassing up or Herd Elk. My dad and
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: I walked up in the dark by trying to get
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: you know, ahead of everybody else that we could see
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: rolling in with their campers. And we get up on
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: this saddle and then looking down below us just see
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: headlamps galore coming up towards us, you know. So we're like, okay,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: well we should be in the right spot. This is,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: you know, a few hundred yards away from everybody else. Yeah,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: of course sun comes up elkra Gone. So we're kind
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: of bumming. We hike up above the saddle to the
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: top of the hill and lo and behold, here comes
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: this lone bowl tongue just dragging as if he got
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: bumped by somebody else. I want to say, it's first
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: forty five minutes of light.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: And with you.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: He walked right up to me.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: Three hundred excuse me, this was a thirty six I
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: want to say, like sixty yards away, dumped him one shot.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: Fantastic and yeah, I was pretty tickled, pretty blown away.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: And as we were packing him out, took multiple trips
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: to get him out, just my dad and I, and
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: we passed this young gall who had harvested a giant
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: six point right by the trailhead. Oh, they've admitted they
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: got a late start, you know, and came up after
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: first light and everybody he had walked right by this
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: stud six point bowl in the dark.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: You've always got it, You've always got a chance.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And so we got to see that on the
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: way out. But yeah, then if I remember, my dad
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: shot a spike later that day, back when you can
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: shoot spikes around here.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Very cool.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: So yeah, thanks for sharing.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: That's a great, great, great day of el coming. Yeah,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: and Seth really quick, since you went through the trouble
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: of sending it to me.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Oh handsome young buck at twenty five years old. He's
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: got a full mustache. Still, that's really nice way to go.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: A BHA sticker on his h Yeah.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: On the r you're walking the walk and talking the talk.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: And I was wearing the first Light back then too,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: and wearing.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: Not all of us were doing side work for First
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Light of the FACHEF and getting free stuff all the time.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: No I bought that stuff.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: Okay, I would have been wearing some Walmart special.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: That brings us to the end of today's program. We've
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: got a little bit of time for listener feedback.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 6: I know Ganis is hungry. I will the first question
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: I will bring up is her next gun, And it says,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 6: why is Gianni's not in Wisconsin?
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: Oh Capitol? Oh good question.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: That is a great question. My cameras are blowing up.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Everybody's killing deer in Wisconsin. And I'm not going for
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: until a week from Friday. I'm going on the seventh
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: because I'm gonna be at the Milwaukee Meeter store on
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: the seventh for meet and greet. So if you're anywhere
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: near Milwaukee, you've already killed a boxing. You don't need
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: to be in the woods on the seventh in the evening.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Come and see me at the Meat Eater store in Milwaukee. Yeah,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: I'll be hounting on the eighth, Saturday morning.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: In my opinion, Yanni, the eighth is the best day
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: out of the year to be in the woods.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: So you'll be there. I'll be there. That's great, Phil,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: What else.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: We got here?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: Spencer asks? What's for lunch?
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: What is for lunch?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Bothman Market in Delhi? Great? Your choice?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: You mean the same place with you yesterday?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: Favorite fantastic Crank says that they shot a buck while
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 6: listening to the podcast.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: Oh that's awesome.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: Way to go.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Send that in.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: We'll air it the next time I host.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: How did you manage to do that?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Actually, maybe we'll even have Crank as a guest Crank
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: Email radio at the meat Eater dot com.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: Is that right?
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: Is that right?
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: PHILM? Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Let's let's uh, let's let's hear the story of shooting
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: a buck.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: Well listening to Meat Eater Radio Live.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: My guess is from the truck, maybe a big old
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: deer boy.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: Let's let him tell his story him or her. Oh,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: it's just yeah.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 6: Mystery Canadian Hunter twenty one. A question for Randall. You
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: just said, oh, to be twenty five again. I'm turning
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 6: twenty five in a few months. What should I be
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 6: planning for to make the most out of being twenty five?
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: I like to look at that bridge and your profile picture.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: I bet a catfish lives under That's what I was thinking.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: That's the first thing I thought one or two if.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: I was twenty five again. Mmmm, that's a great question.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: Go for a big hike your forty year old celphone?
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, think about think about a place where you'd
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: be like, there's nobody forty years old. They're gonna be
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: here el hunting And then I'd go.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: There, Yeah, there you go, go do something stupid.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: And I'd just eat it everything.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: Nate says, how early do I start monitoring questions for Chat?
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: Can I dump them before the waiting music even starts? Yes,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: you can get them in early.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: I can see him. It makes my job easier.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 6: Actually, Phil doesn't lose anything. Mo gore our guy. Yesterday
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 6: I watched the Media or Muzzleloader episode. Steve mentioned that
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 6: Seth is really skilled with it. But my question is,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: have randall Er Corey ever had the chance to harvest
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 6: game with a muzzle?
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: Nope, No, I'm usually tagged out by then A.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 6: Let's see Laurie. I don't think there's any bird people
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 6: in this room. But Laurie's asking what your go to
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 6: grouse slayer is.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: Ooh, shotgun. You might be asking for more specifics, but you.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: Know mine's an arrow with a Judo point. Typically in
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: archery season chasing elk twelve gage twenty twos are great too, though.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: Twenty twos are great.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: The only grouse I've killed have been with twenty two
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: caliber pistols.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: Great well, Joannis is looking at his phone. He looks,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: he looks starved.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: How many more listener questions? One more? Let's do one more?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: One more?
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 6: I really, Aaron says, I recently briand a turkey breast
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 6: for twenty four hours, but it came out too salty.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: How long do y'all Brian, Johnny.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: This is a good question for you. Ah yeah, it
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: sounds like that was too long. I believe it in
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: the Meat Eater cookbook it's like six to eight. If
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: that happens, you can desalt a Brian turkey breast by
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: just putting it into just plain cold water, and it'll
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: actually suck through osmosis the salt will come back out
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: into the water. But yeah, I guess you could. You
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: could check it by just cutting a little sliver off
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: the turkey breast next time, frying it real quick and
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: eating it and seeing how salty it is.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Well, that was the most substantive thing that's been said
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: in the past sixty six minutes, So I think that's
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: a good place to wrap up. Corey Seth as always
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: a true pleasure fill the engineer. Wonderful job will streamline
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: our us this next week, So we hickups folks out there,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: We thank you for listening and we will see you
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: next week.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: Happy hunting, Thanks guys, Happy Halloween.