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Scouting the Fins-1-5-26 · 3 Yards Per Carry - Miami Dolphins

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's up everybody, I'm welcome to another episode of Scouting the Finns right here on the Therod for Carried Podcast feed, also part of the five reason sports network.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The 2025 Miami Dolphin season is officially over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the Miami Dolphins are standing at the most important crossroads.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This franchise has faced an over a decade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Dolphins finished the season with no playoff birth, a season finale lost to New England, a fire general manager, a quarterback's future in doubt, and a head coach who status while
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[SPEAKER_01]: on official appears increasingly secure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tonight's episode is not a recap of the dolphin's 20-25 season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about the direction of 20-26 and beyond.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about power, it's about structure, it's about accountability.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In short, it's about what the Miami dolphins are becoming, not what they were.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My two co-host coach and Eric, gentlemen, I gotta say, first of all, happy new year, and what a week, what a day it's been for the dolphin so far.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, lots of news flying all around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's definitely been a very polarizing day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would say, among the, among the Miami dolphin's faithful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I think that this is a situation where, um, you know, once, once the dust settles, everyone's going to have a much clearer understanding of what's going on here, right now there's a lot that's kind of up in the air with this franchise and, you know, very succinctly said kind of at a crossroads.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, I'm looking forward to breaking it down and seeing what, uh, what direction we all want to go in in 2026.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think if you've kind of followed the bread comes here as a season has winded down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today is not a huge surprise to a lot of people, but that doesn't stop fans from the bloodlust of wanting something else to happen here at the close of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It certainly sounds like Mike McDaniel is safe
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[SPEAKER_00]: whoever's a new GM is, but, you know, for the fans that were hoping for that black Monday and the clean slate, not necessarily getting that, but looking forward to, you know, talking about some of these GM candidates, they can hopefully get us going in the right direction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, let's start off with this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Chris Greer has gone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Champ Kelly has become the interim general manager.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They haven't officially stated that they will be giving an interview to Champ Kelly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tua Tongvaloa, most likely looks to be on his way out as he said today that he would welcome a fresh start whether it's a fresh cleaned slate in Miami or whether it's with another team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike McDaniel publicly non-committal, but privately confident and critically, him confirming that he will be part of the general manager search, and that tells us something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Eric, that Stephen Ross, according to, you know, NFL network reporting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to give Mike McDaniel a chance to work with a new general manager, work with the new quarterback and reset the direction of the roster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here we were a couple weeks ago thinking that if McDaniel was still staying, it would be like a lame duck coach situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it looks, it looks to me that
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ross has given Mike McDaniel such a long leash, and this general manager hire is pretty much the single most important decision, Stephen Ross will make.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Mike McDaniel, from the
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[SPEAKER_01]: a PR narrative or to establish power and dominance, uh, it's a pretty big power move.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, the first thing that I want to say is it's not the best thing in the world when the first, when the last time something like this happened, the first thing that comes to mind is Adam Gase helping select Joe Douglas in New York.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I believe that is the last time
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that being said, you know, what are the things that I want of a new GM more than anything?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it almost sounds like it's not what I'm going to get, which is a little unfortunate for the dolphins, is, you know, I, number one, Mike Daniel is going to be back, not just for 2026, but beyond.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because we know with the cap situation, 2026 is not going to be a very good year for the dolphins.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We already have those expectations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I don't think there's really, I think that there's built-in job security and the low expectations of next season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because you don't have a quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't really have a pass rush right now and given the Dalton's cap situation if you don't have a quarterback and you don't have guys that can rush the passer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Those tend to be pretty expensive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can kind of put two and two together as to where you're going to be in terms of roster construction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but just going further to the point of like a GM, one of the issues that I had with Chris Greer the more that I thought about it was, he was really collaborative.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think to a fall, he became a chameleon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I could ask, I never got an understanding of what Chris Greer's
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[SPEAKER_02]: football philosophy was what was what did Chris Greer really believe in terms of building a football team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He believed whatever has had coach at the time believed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want a GM that has a strong vision for what the team looks like because I think when you're talking about resetting a team, there needs to be a top-down vision and everything needs to flow from that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because you look at the best teams, there's the ones that have a plan and they stick to it over the course of a three to five year period.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They rarely die, you know, diverge from it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a, you know, we're gonna fly by the seat of our pants and, you know, kind of whatever happens in the course of this season, we're gonna change course and, you know, the dolphins have had like three identity shifts in the last three years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What I want is, and maybe this is what you'll get in finding a GM that can really work with Mike and finding somebody that actually has a genuine philosophy that meshes with him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I just I want a GM that has a strong idea of what he wants for the football team in terms of vision, not just a guy that's going to get what the head coach wants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we've kind of talked about this a little bit before that it feels like the structure that they're setting up still gives, make the annual quite a bit of power even without Greer in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And him, him saying that he's going to be part of this GM search, kind of reinforces that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't, and we'll see whether or not that's a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, Eric, I think you and I share the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: philosophy there that we kind of want to see a separation of church and state, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to see too completely, not completely separate, too very different entities, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where your GM is the one that is shopping for the groceries, and yes, your head coach should have some input in it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your coach should kind of guide the direction, kind of set the parameters of the type of players that you're looking at, but your GM and your coaching staff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: your GM and your scouting staff should be the ones that are actually picking those groceries and giving them to the head coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the head coach is only focused on that 53 man roster and how to get the best out of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not, you know, you gave me this, but I wanted this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that I can't say that I'm real thrilled with the direction that we're going of a GM
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[SPEAKER_00]: third in command right because you got Brandon shore that's got the financial side of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have Mike Mike me Daniel that has the coaching side of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And those two based on the way that Stephen Ross has shown his loyalty's probably still have a bigger influence on whoever this new GM is going to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll obviously see how that plays out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But just the way that, you know, for me, the breadcrumbs fall that this GM is more of a.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a glorified scout than a true GM that's going to be setting the roster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it pretty much tells us that this general manager, whatever it may be will be a top-down authoritarian, he will not be a top-down authoritarian, will not tear down
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[SPEAKER_01]: anything that was not working, and they won't be someone that is hostile or that doesn't mesh with Mike McDaniel's system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be a collaborative higher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And from reading the TV, it sounds as if this is going to be Mike McDaniel's guy, not Steven Ross's guy,
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[SPEAKER_01]: not Troy Ekman's guy who's consulting on this for the dolphins, but Mike McDangnell's guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a limited general manager candidate pool, and most of them have very good ties to Mike McDangnell and the Shanahan system, a couple of names, and we're going to go and
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[SPEAKER_01]: John McKay, the Ram's Assistant General Manager, John Eric Sullivan, the Packers Vice President of Player Personnel, Alec Hallaby, Eagles Assistant General Manager, Josh William, 49ers Director of Scouting, Thorek Ahmad, 49ers VP of Player Personnel, and RJ Gillen, 49ers Assistant General Manager.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is no confirmed interview request.
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[SPEAKER_01]: for Champ Kelly as of yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we don't know if Champ Kelly is actually in the running.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And with this list, we'll go candidate by candidate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will start with the philosophical force in the road with these general manager candidates.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And towards the end, we'll talk about who we think would be the best fit organization.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the first one we'll talk about is a John McCay, the Rams, a system, Rams, a system general manager.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty young guy, pretty young guy, and if I was to give a sentence on him,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say that he represents the cleanest transition from this current dolphins structure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not the face of what the dolphins should be or have to be, but he can connect what the rams have done, which Sean McVay and less need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he can somehow build it similarly, like coach and Eric, we talked about McDaniel trying to build his team, like the Los Angeles, like the Los Angeles Rams on the football field, translating McVay's system into personnel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We saw what the heavy sets this season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We saw what 13 personnel, which 22 personnel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: John McKay was not necessarily a architect, but he helped to build the Ram's team, extract value, good core players without first-round picks, and manage a team that had some stars and role players as well that were able to do their jobs and potentially become stars down the road.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, you know, the thing with the rams and the thing with a guy like McCay, you know, what I'm not in love with is it it seems like it's now don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I understand that you want your your general manager and your head coach to kind of be on one accord.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I do want somebody and I hope that Mike McDaniel has the self awareness to want somebody.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that's going to say no to him every once in a while.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not sure that this would be that kind of higher for the Miami Dolphins.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The one thing that I can give the Rams a lot of credit for is that they've walked the fine line of where the Dolphins are going to be this off-season cap-wise for multiple seasons.
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[SPEAKER_02]: without actually letting it get to where the dolphins are now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know, he doesn't have a lot of experience in being quite as over-leverage as the dolphins are now and getting away from that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he's helped you a really good job in the ramps for an office of writing that fine line
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[SPEAKER_02]: we went way too harsh on this and we've got to take our lumps for a year or two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now the only thing that kind of worries me a little bit is that the rams do have a little bit of that same issue upfront that the dolphins do in terms of their their crunch play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've added players up front in recent years, you know, Sean McVay's guards have gotten a lot bigger throughout the years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's been an evolution that we've seen and that's something that I think would be welcome for Miami.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But they still kind of have a little bit of a top heavy roster, which I think we've seen in recent years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: attrition is a very powerful force in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so while I like McKay as far as a talent evaluator, I just, I think he's a little bit too much, same Z in terms of, uh, football philosophy to bike, McDaniel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For me, I mean, John McKay in that situation, so that situation with the
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sean McVay right feels like McVay has a very heavy hand in the personal decisions there it feels like Miami is moving in a very similar fashion if they're going to let McDaniel have that kind of power right even if it's not bi-labally still going to have Stephen Ross's ear has he has in the past but it feels like what Miami was trying to do was what the ram succeeded in doing
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[SPEAKER_00]: in that, you know, essentially that FDM picks philosophy, where you just trade away the picks and you try to acquire the talent, you try to make a short-term run to kind of build up that goodwill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously that hasn't worked out for the dolphins, but for the Rams and for the dolphins now, the next iteration of that is that you then accumulate the draft picks, and then you start to build from inside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: John McKay has seen how that transition works, how you go from that, you know, trading for the top access, the Bradley Chubs, the Tyree kills, you know, even the jail of Ramses, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You trade for all those guys, you trade the pixel way, and then you transition into that team that is more homegrown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I will give John McKay credit for being part of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and seeing how that transition works.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that being where Miami is right now, like they had a solid year in that sense with their 2025 draft class, but you obviously need more of that and McKay has seen how that works and how you transition through that, those cap issues, like you talked about there, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's seen how you transition through that to the other side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that would be the biggest thing for me is that, you know, and well, you know, obviously a lot of these candidates are going to have familiarity in the system and have an idea of the type of players that you're looking at, especially offensively, when you're talking about a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean elite cap management under constraints comfortable at letting McVey drive this game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The same could be said if he was here with Mike McDaniel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think they've got proven and McCay has a little bit of a proven identity, uh, finding mid-round contributors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you talk about Puka Nuku, talk about Kairin, William Jordan Fuller, Ernest Jones, Kobe Turner, Byron Young.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are functional players in the mid-rounds where the dolphins have lacked that, where yes, they've gotten a good talent in the first and
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[SPEAKER_01]: no actual solid starting contributors in the second, third, fourth, and fifth round of the draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing is that Ram's coaching staff has always been strong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: McVay's coaching tree is having success outside of Los Angeles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike McDaniel, right now seems to be the less successful out of the Shanahan tree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He seems to be the one that is very rooted in the philosophical approach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if McVey John McCay is there, he's going to continue to empower McDaniel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those philosophical clashes won't happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: worse, just continue to feed into what he wants instead of having that healthy tension or healthy discourse of, you know, putting your foot down and saying, no, basically what Chris Greer was unable to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's some of the things with John McKay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The next person,
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[SPEAKER_01]: is John Eric Sullivan from Green Bay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have three words to describe him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Structure, sustainability, and adult decision making.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He comes from an organization that plans quarterback transition years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, years ahead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's playters walk early and avoid cap desperation cycle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You talk about some of his hits coming from the trenches like Roshan Gary, Elton Jenkins, Zaktam, Quay Walker, Devontay Wyatt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that whole entire run of Packers' offensive linemen that made the proble within the last 10 years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Coaching and Eric, you can't deny that the Packer's trench play has always been fantastic and that's the root of the foundation of green-based success.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, I think of all the hires that were kind of like all the potential candidates that were laid out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think this probably represents my favorite of the choices, because you look at even some of the things that Green Bay hasn't done well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of people would say, well, Green Bay doesn't have a lot of really good weapons.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I would counter that and say that they've kind of gotten unlucky in that department.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Christian Watson was dealing with an ACL.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jaden Reed got hurt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Romney of Dobs is fine as a number three receiver.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think Dante B. and Wix is another solid weapon, Luke Musgrave is a really good tight end.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, just unfortunate that he got hurt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like the forward thinking on quarterbacks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think if you're not, you know, in terms of the quarterback is the most important position on the field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so if you're not planning, you know, in four or five years kind of around that guy and what your roster is going to look like around whoever your perspective quarterback is going to be, I think you're a little bit behind as it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, secondarily, you mentioned the green bank is making the trenches.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that, you know, adding those players, where you build up the foundation of your team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then when you have the luxury to do it,
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[SPEAKER_02]: you add those skill players.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, to me, that's just always fundamentally going to be the right answer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you going to be lacking at wide receiver some years?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But right now, I think in the NFL, we're kind of in an era where we're going back to playing defense and running the football.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're telling me that I'm going to be a little bit weaker at the skill position spot,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can kind of live with that over the next three to five years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, the other thing is to not a lot of splash signings in Green Bay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the most recent thing I can think of is,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Michael Parsons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's, that's pretty much it for breathing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you didn't even go back to that, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just, what, what, what did they add as a splash addition?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Ed Russia, Chris Greer, it was Jalen Ramsey, it was Tyree Kill.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Bradley Chub, yes, he was an Ed Russia, but, and those guys are great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you're going to add,
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[SPEAKER_01]: splash players they need to be at really, really, really, really marquee positions like in the thing is green bay and with green bay's philosophy with what John Erick Sullivan brings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like they wait a bit too long to get external solutions and they really believe in their philosophy
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[SPEAKER_01]: to drive player improvement at behest of what the team should look to improve on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look at the wide receiver unit right now for green rate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you have a breath of different type of players in the wide receiver position, but it's been underwhelming and hasn't really helped out Jordan and love and maleculus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you need weapons, you need past caters?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing is that the roster philosophy is kind of conservative, which is very opposite of what the dolphins have done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you value player development.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you value continuity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The dolphins have already done that with Liam Mike and Burke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They try to do that with cam Smith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They try to do that with Channing Tindle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is with Green Bay, they cut their losses early.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You are able to regroup from your mistakes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean also, I mean, it's a little apples to oranges when you're just talking about the players that are getting drafted in Green Bay versus the players that are getting drafted in Miami.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, maybe Jonas Avonay and Lee Mike and Bird would look a little bit big, a little bit different in Green Bay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think you see fundamentally just the difference in the quality of player drafted in Green Bay versus what we've seen in my M in recent years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because you look at the players that they're developing and don't get me wrong, it might be a more conducive environment for development.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But there is just something for the fact that you're just
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[SPEAKER_02]: you're getting better players in Green Bay than you are Miami through the grass.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty consistent little.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Before you go before you go coach, I want to ride off the list of offensive linemen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: John Eric Sullivan has had
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[SPEAKER_01]: a hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think you're going to like this list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This comes from Simon Clancy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Josh Sin, remember him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the games he played for the dolphins TJ Lane, Brian Bologna, David Bhakti, our J.C. Trider, Corey Lindzley, John Rundin, Jr. Roy Snooman, Josh Myers, Rashid Walker, Zac Top, Sean Ryan, Jordan Morgan, Anthony
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, those are decent and good offensive linemen, but here's the thing with that and the key word in what Eric was saying is develop, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That list of names that you just rattled off, how many of those guys were drafted with the expectation that they had to come in and they had to start from day one, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if they come in, they don't play well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not playing well as backups and they just don't get that chance to move into the starting line up, whereas here in
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, these big time misses are guys that have been drafted and they've needed to step into prominent rules right away, and they weren't ready for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so that that's the big thing for me that if we were to go with the John Eric Sullivan route that I would hope that we'd be able to take from Green Bay and you don't you know the quarterback situation is a perfect example of that like there were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, rumblings of dolphins had to be careful about the the type of backup quarterbacks that they were pursuing with to a the packers have never had that philosophy they've never worried about how the starting quarterback is going to feel about going out and draft in the best player available right and that's not just a quarterback thing either right that's every position that it feels like the packers are a team that is very good at drafting.
28:55
[SPEAKER_00]: best player available, pretty much a growth of position.
28:58
[SPEAKER_00]: You are that's going to result in some areas being weaker than others because you don't always get best player available in the position rooms that you want, but you're going to get better overall results when you do that consistently.
29:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Your philosophy from start to finish is just draft the best players, then maybe
29:23
[SPEAKER_00]: But the flip side of that is that your offensive line is much stronger, right?
29:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can hold up in past protection longer, right?
29:30
[SPEAKER_00]: It's stuff.
29:31
[SPEAKER_00]: It's stuff like that.
29:33
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think what I would hope that we get if John Eric Sullivan is the selection, right?
29:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Is kind of carrying over that philosophy that we're not constantly trying to draft for a position that we need filled today, that we are drafting the best player available.
29:53
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe it's a, you know, look at the running back room right now for the dolphins is a pretty solid space, right?
29:59
[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe the best player on the board is a running back.
30:01
[SPEAKER_00]: So you draft a running back, and maybe that running back, maybe he's not a Devon HN, right?
30:06
[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe he's a really good running back that makes Devon HN expendable in a couple of years where you don't have to dish out that massive contract to keep him there.
30:16
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the kind of philosophy, the kind of gains that I think you get.
30:21
[SPEAKER_00]: when you constantly draft best player available, but you don't feel crippled by
30:28
[SPEAKER_00]: having to give a certain player a big contract because you're always developing those guys from within that can move up that are, you know, been in the system for two, three years.
30:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the time they're seeing the field and seeing those meaningful steps, you know, they've had a chance to develop.
30:45
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not, they're not a guy that just went through the combine process.
30:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And now we're telling you, hey, you've got to start day one, right?
30:55
[SPEAKER_00]: It's
30:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And the big thing is that with John Erick Sullivan, you're not emotionally tied to the player that you draft or sign.
31:12
[SPEAKER_01]: You can make the adult decision and cut your losses,
31:22
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to be built in a position to continue to chase, continue to chase those championship windows to chase a playoff win.
31:34
[SPEAKER_01]: You need someone who knows how to build a foundation, has been an organization that has built those foundations from the very ground up and sustained it.
31:50
[SPEAKER_01]: 30 years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And John Eric Sullivan could be that top guy.
31:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I also like that he has experience with Malik Willis already as well.
32:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And know what Matt LaFlor's situation in Green Bay could also look could also look like in that.
32:11
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a potential situation to definitely monitor.
32:16
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, before we get to the rest of the gentlemen and your candidates, we are going to take a quick break.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, the next gentlemen, the candidate on our list, which the dolphins have requested is a 49ers guy, Josh Williams.
32:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's been the backbone.
32:45
[SPEAKER_01]: of the 49er's draft operation.
32:49
[SPEAKER_01]: You take a look at names like Brock Perty, Fred Warner, Talonobo, Fonga, Drake Greenlaw, Debo, Samuel, and George Kittle.
33:01
[SPEAKER_01]: But you also take a look at the misses, and he has a hand in train lands, which is more so of an organizational failure than scouting, Giovanni Kinlaw and Solomon Thomas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: physical players, diverse skillset, more so on the defensive side of the ball and skin synergy on both offense and defense.
33:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And not to mention, McDaniel has his roots in San Francisco.
33:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, I think when you look at what San Francisco has been able to do over the last few years,
33:44
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, the one, the one thing that I like about all of these hires to this point except McCabe being probably my least favorite of the group.
33:58
[SPEAKER_02]: And the only reason why I say he's my least favorite of the group is because it feels like the ramps have been the most
34:06
[SPEAKER_02]: swing for the fences kind of star heavy team of the three.
34:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think in the NFL, what I really want at this point for the dolphins coming off of Chris Greer is I want AGM who's going to give me the highest floor possible.
34:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to build a team that's got a really high floor because eventually, you know,
34:32
[SPEAKER_02]: It's rarely a case where you're really, really good one year and you have a Super Bowl run and then you're bad for the next four or five years.
34:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanna be the team that's consistently competitive and if everything breaks right, you can make a run.
34:52
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of where you wanna live in the NFL.
34:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you really wanna be that team that's consistently swinging for the fences and over leveraging.
35:01
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that San Francisco kind of represents that, um, you know, really well.
35:06
[SPEAKER_02]: They go out and they get a Brock party.
35:09
[SPEAKER_02]: They've done very well in the draft.
35:11
[SPEAKER_02]: They've been pretty judicious about the players that they do pay.
35:17
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, they've been in a pretty good capspot for the most part over the last few seasons.
35:24
[SPEAKER_02]: They've made the flashy addition when possible, but you know, when you consistently look at the players that have been paid most on the 49ers, you know, it's been a Trent Williams.
35:36
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been one of the both of brothers.
35:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And
35:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I just like the idea of building a team specifically in San Francisco, you know, the thing with them over the last 10, 15 years is they did a really good job of building up their defensive line, not so much in recent seasons, but it's been a running theme with them organizationally that they've just had excellent trench play on the defensive side of the football,
36:14
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, I think I like Josh Williams, where you have more of a draft background, you're a little bit more judicious with spending, and you're really building up more of a foundation first rather than kind of going for the big splashy kind of, you know, maybe we don't have the most depth, but we hope this start can be a band-aid kind of acquisition.
36:44
[SPEAKER_01]: on the scheme, which is what Mike McDaniel looks for as well, but just the talent is not there because of roster construction.
36:55
[SPEAKER_01]: 49ers, roster construction has been done very well, but they have been very, very unlucky with untimely injuries.
37:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been real bad with their injury
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[SPEAKER_01]: 20 plus players missing four plus games, this season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mac Jones was able to rattle off a couple of wins to help them.
37:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Brock Perti came back from the energy from from his injury and went.
37:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I think what four in one or or five in one something down the stretch.
37:34
[SPEAKER_01]: As well.
37:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
37:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he had cheap quarterback play for a little bit.
37:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Then they signed him to the contract.
37:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Even with his injury can't say the same thing for the guy in Miami for to a tongue of Iloa, but you know the the offensive line while not the best has been serviceable.
37:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I so for me, I feel like the 49ers draft strategy has been very dependent on very good coaching.
38:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like they agree with that 100%.
38:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like they pursue players that have elite traits.
38:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they depend on the coaching staff to be able to take advantage of that.
38:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's why on both sides of the ball, even though they have sustained some significant injuries that they've been able to modify the schemes to fit.
38:38
[SPEAKER_00]: You look at through some of those players that we have on there for the key hits,
38:42
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Brock Perti may not have been able to go to any system and succeed the way that he has, right?
38:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Shannon Hannah's done a great job of playing to his strengths.
38:54
[SPEAKER_00]: You look at a safety like Hathanga, right?
38:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Hathanga is a player that
38:59
[SPEAKER_00]: is not a completely scheme diverse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a player that you can just drop in on any of the 32 teams and he's going to be the same player, but they do a great job of finding those elite traits and putting those players in the best positions to make the make plays and by being able to do that as some of those players may either transition out through contracts or get injured.
39:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Their ability to adjust and be able to maximize those elite traits has been what has, you know, kind of been able to get them through those spots right when you, when you look at losing players like like Brock party like Nick Vosa right their ability to, yeah, transition to whatever is next right if you don't have Brock party out there you got Matt Jones right well, then you're going to have to.
39:54
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I forget what game it was was an actually televised game where they gave Christian McAfrey the ball.
40:01
[SPEAKER_00]: It felt like 20 times in a row to start the game.
40:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was because Brock parties not in the lineup.
40:06
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, feels like they have done a good job of being able to modify game plans.
40:12
[SPEAKER_00]: to fit the talent on the field.
40:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Not sure if that's what it's saying.
40:17
[SPEAKER_01]: You're saying it's a system.
40:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
40:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's like, and that's, I don't know how great of a fit that is for Miami because that's been kind of a sticking point through the McDonald area here that feels like they are slow to adjust.
40:34
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're gonna go out and we're gonna bring in a 49ers, a GM from the 49ers,
40:42
[SPEAKER_00]: That comes in with that philosophy that we're going to draft players with elite traits.
40:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then you need to make sure that you have coaches that are capable of taking advantage of those elite traits.
40:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're not just going to try to shoehorn them into a system that we have and say, you know, they just need to need to play well.
41:01
[SPEAKER_00]: So that that would be my thing with Josh Williams coming in is that, you know, I feel like.
41:07
[SPEAKER_00]: you have to have the coaching staff that's willing to work with that and not coaching staff that says, this is the scheme.
41:14
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what we're going to do.
41:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Find me players for that.
41:17
[SPEAKER_00]: It needs to be, okay, just find me good players.
41:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And I will figure out how to get the most out of them.
41:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and this goes in line with the next guy to reach a mod.
41:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Also with the 49ers the vice president of player personal Josh Williams is a director of scouting but three command vice president of player personal you have to marry the scheme into how the coaching staff wants the player and what the coaching staff's philosophy is you know right now with this current
41:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Dolphins coaching staff, we don't know who is going to stay.
41:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Barry Jackson just came out and said it a little bit earlier or a little bit later on tonight that it seems as if the dolphins are telling these interview candidates for general manager that they have not been told if Mike McDaniel is returning.
42:18
[SPEAKER_01]: So Mike McDaniel might not even be the coach.
42:21
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll add the new weaver return.
42:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Who is going to be the coaching staff?
42:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So if the general manager is coming in, they are going to be forced to work with Mike McDaniel and add the new weaver.
42:32
[SPEAKER_01]: They need to learn.
42:34
[SPEAKER_01]: what the coaches philosophies are.
42:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Learn what type of player they want.
42:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Learn what type of, you know, personal groupings, systematic fits there needs to be.
42:44
[SPEAKER_01]: With Tariq Ahmad, he was able to do that with the 49ers, even with the coaches being rotated because the scheme was the same.
42:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I think all three of us can say,
42:57
[SPEAKER_01]: that what the heck was Anthony Leaver's game the last two years, even with so many different players.
43:03
[SPEAKER_01]: We know what Mike McDonald's game is, but he can't really adjust on the fly with whatever players he can pick and choose for.
43:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Tariqamond has been able to fit that with the 49ers to take a look at the injury losses with Drake Greenlaw and Fred Warner.
43:22
[SPEAKER_01]: The drafting of the linebackers has been really impactful.
43:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, who would have thought D-Winter is a guy from TCU playing in a 335 defense.
43:32
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the Mike Linebacker.
43:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Now he's starting for the 49ers as the will.
43:39
[SPEAKER_01]: His Gregory and Loss Replacement, Tatum Bethoon.
43:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, no one knew who Tatum Bethoon was.
43:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody knew who Tatum Bethoon is, and he's able to somewhat, obviously not fully, but somewhat fill in for Fred Warner.
43:55
[SPEAKER_01]: You can talk about the 49er secondary they've had.
43:58
[SPEAKER_01]: injury losses they've had you know rotating guys they they've had a lot of volatility kind of like the dolphins secondary but Renardo Green has been a mainstay they drafted him he's the left-side quarterback Demodor Demodor LaNoyer he was a mid-round
44:18
[SPEAKER_01]: defensive back selection.
44:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Jair Brown, Malik Mustafa, they drafted these guys as well.
44:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And they have been good, not great, but the defense is still working because the defensive line, the scheme, has stayed consistent.
44:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're bringing a guy like three command, you need the scheme to be consistent.
44:40
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know if you're going to have Anthony Weaver or not.
44:43
[SPEAKER_01]: the dolphins have a lot of free agents on defense as well.
44:47
[SPEAKER_01]: So once again, it's going to be another overhaul on this dolphins defense.
44:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And potentially, a overhaul in the dolphins offensive coaching staff and maybe even some offensive players.
45:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, to be really fair to Anthony Weaver with the way his schemes were kind of up and down.
45:08
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't
45:09
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of those things where it's kind of a chicken or the egg thing where, you know, on the defensive side of the football, there's been a lot more person now fluctuation.
45:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the offensively and you kind of got to feel that he was just kind of, you know, given those fluctuations, he kind of at times just had a tendency to throw things up against the wall and see what stuck.
45:35
[SPEAKER_02]: which granted, you know, I, I'd like a little bit more to steal a Mike McDaniel phrase conviction in your coaching, but, you know, I think with the, you know, when you bring in a guy like to Rick Amod and he somebody that's going to be really collaborative with the coaching staff, somebody that's going to, you know, pick players that fit
46:06
[SPEAKER_02]: The one thing that I find interesting in what you mentioned in terms of the berry tweet is it sounds a lot like this is going to be the GM candidates interviewing the existing coaching staff as much as it is, Mike McDaniel helping to interview the GMs, you know, both sides are kind of going to be feeling each other out in the situation.
46:30
[SPEAKER_02]: But with a guy like a mod, my thing
46:35
[SPEAKER_02]: He has a track record of drafting a certain type of player for the scheme that San Francisco runs.
46:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And if he's given the opportunity to influence a coaching search, I would hope that he leans in that direction where he is most comfortable and where he's had success in picking that archetype of a player.
46:56
[SPEAKER_02]: The other thing that San Francisco's done pretty well is sort of the numbers side of things with the contract extensions and the evaluations.
47:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I tend to value that a little bit less in the GM search because we still have the idea that Brennish or is going to be the number one guy as far as the numbers and the topologist side of things goes.
47:26
[SPEAKER_02]: having a really good synergy with your coaching staff.
47:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that out of a guy like a mod in terms of, hey, I can identify players that can play within the system and I'm going to go out and pursue those guys, sounds like a very simple concept, but it is something that it's it's not an easy thing to do in practice for an executive.
47:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I was going to say,
47:55
[SPEAKER_00]: quickly, you know, it's obviously going to be difficult to figure out who responsible for what we're looking at, especially with the multiple candidates that we're interviewing from the 40 Niners.
48:08
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, if you look at the titles, right, Josh Williams being director of scouting to RECOMOD being VP of Player Personnel, right, you know, Player VP of Player Personnel feels like somebody that's a lot more involved
48:21
[SPEAKER_00]: with the players already on the roster versus the players that they're looking to draft.
48:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like the 49ers over the years have done a very good job of identifying the right players to keep around and continue to build around and the right players to let go.
48:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So if I was trying to split hairs between Josh Williams and Turek Ahmad
48:50
[SPEAKER_00]: same system ready we'd come down to you know whether I am valuing somebody who was more involved the scouting side the guy that's it's you know bringing the guys in or you know some of it's more of the player personnel side that I would think is more involved with the players already on the roster and trying to figure out who to retain so that would be how I would separate those two candidates.
49:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but then the final guide for it to round up the 49ers trio is RJ Gillan rising executive assistant general manager he's John Lynch's right handman lot of operational and roster logistic experience a lot of good cap and roster mechanics and from what I've read about him calm he's very calm.
49:41
[SPEAKER_01]: and is a collaborative leader.
49:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we talk a lot about collaboration with Michael McDaniel and this team, but he doesn't have that big of a scouting resume.
49:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where Josh Williams and Torega Mott come in.
49:57
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like the dolphins are more so looking for a head scout mega scout type of guy.
50:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing is I think,
50:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Argyle and would kind of be hiring for a role that you don't plan on having in Miami, where you're not really going to have that guy who's the head executive and kind of overseeing the entire operation.
50:20
[SPEAKER_02]: If you were, if that was what your GM or was going to look like, and I think that you would be a much more viable candidate, but
50:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it would go a little bit less in that direction.
50:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't come here wrong.
50:43
[SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna have to hire really high-level guys at every level of your organization.
50:48
[SPEAKER_02]: But to go with the guy that's, you know, a little bit more operational oriented, overall kind of executive level,
51:03
[SPEAKER_02]: feels kind of risky when you're asking him to kind of be that, that, you know, glorified scout guy.
51:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree with that.
51:16
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, for me, RJ Gillin feels like it would kind of be probably the closest thing, I don't want to, you know, slander him, right?
51:28
[SPEAKER_00]: But the closest thing to a
51:33
[SPEAKER_00]: more an overseer of the scouting, but not necessarily making those final decisions, right?
51:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like, you know, if Stephen Ross is really leaning into Mike Pitanio and he's looking to give Mike Pitanio more power in personal decisions, that it feels like RJ Gillon would be the kind of guy that you would look at that, you know, would come in.
51:58
[SPEAKER_00]: oversee the scouting department and, you know, feed the information to Mike McDaniel, but maybe not the guy that's necessarily, you know, picking the groceries off the shelf.
52:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the final guy, Alec Hallaby.
52:14
[SPEAKER_01]: who you can quote unquote say is the numbers guy.
52:20
[SPEAKER_01]: He represents process dominance.
52:23
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of hits coming from him, the extension timing of jailing hurts, the drafting and signing of Jordan Milada, Land and Dickerson, Kim, Jurigans, and
52:38
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a lot of the contract surplus exploitation that the Eagles were at the forefront of, they don't have a lot of cap issues and they have fielded a very competitive team since 2018, okay, they've had some defensive back turn obviously they've had some aging vets, they've had to replace.
53:00
[SPEAKER_01]: They've had to get younger, but the SQL's defense is great.
53:03
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a really, really great defensive coaching staff.
53:08
[SPEAKER_01]: The offense, you can say, is a little bit, but they're getting the job done.
53:14
[SPEAKER_01]: They've had some inefficiencies in signing free agents because they believe in developing
53:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of bit them in the butt a little bit because it shows their overconfidence in replacement level depth players.
53:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Specifically, you know, in the secondary before the year before they had drafted Quinion Mitchell and Cooper Degene and there was one more safety I'm forgetting as well, because they didn't.
53:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and they just had a complete back turn
53:50
[SPEAKER_01]: in the secondary.
53:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So they have replacement level death.
53:53
[SPEAKER_01]: They believe in them, but didn't really panel.
53:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, listen, I can live with, you know, one or two down years at a position.
54:04
[SPEAKER_02]: If you tell me that you're going to get me three pro bulk Athens to, to, to, you know, fill out that that position group within the next year, too.
54:15
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, it's really tough getting a guy from Philadelphia, right, because while I think we can all admit John Lynch is a great executive and I'm sure the, you know, less
54:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I do kind of penalize a guy like Alec Hallaby for, you know, and he, he's, if you're in Philadelphia coming from the front office, you're going to be living in how he rose from the shadow for a little while, because, you know, he is one of the best five executives, I think of the 21st century period in the sport.
55:10
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think when you look at what Philadelphia has done throughout the draft in terms of just, I mean, you're talking like Aussie knew some levels of consistency here over the last 10 to 15 years.
55:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever it is that they're doing just from a process perspective of how they identify players,
55:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm all for it.
55:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Now it seems like they kind of do the Chris Greer thing, but they're not afraid of injured players.
55:43
[SPEAKER_02]: It just seems to kind of work out for them.
55:45
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, I still remember a guy like Nikovie Dean falling to them in the third round because he had those injury questions and he's been just such a fantastic player.
56:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Just from a, if you're going to tell me that he can kind of bring that blueprint into the front office, I would be all for it, but again, in, in just overall in sports, there's always kind of been.
56:24
[SPEAKER_02]: guys that want to bring the last place that they were to the next place that they're going never seems to quite work out in that way.
56:35
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just, you can't take Philadelphia's blueprint and just copypaste in Miami.
56:46
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to work.
56:47
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a different organization.
56:54
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're telling me that there's going that he's got, you know, if he can take it, make it his own, I'm all for it, because like I said, I think Philadelphia is one of the best run in front offices in football, it's just some dubious of, you know, anyone that's kind of in the shadow of how it rose from being able to kind of duplicate what they do.
57:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
57:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when we talk about Alec Hallaby being the numbers guy like that, part of that feels redundant when you've already got Brandon Shore, who is the the numbers guy for the dolphins, but, you know, to your point there, writing, unless you can put your finger on it and say that Alec Hallaby was behind a lot of these draft picks, which I don't know that you can, right?
57:41
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to take that away from how he rosemen.
57:45
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like you said, how can you be confident, right?
57:48
[SPEAKER_00]: We see, we see this happen with the Patriots, right?
57:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Patriot, when everybody tried to take all over the league, and they weren't able to do that, you know, there's been costs and stuff about the Eagles have a ton of dead cap space coming up at some point, right?
58:07
[SPEAKER_00]: At some point, they're not to pay those checks.
58:09
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you could tell me that, you know, we could get a decade of success in that's a trade off.
58:14
[SPEAKER_00]: all for that, right?
58:16
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know that you can bring Alec Haliby in and say that he's going to be able to to carry that Eagles way over and be able to do that.
58:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so, and, you know, just talking about Haliby versus the rest of the candidates, uh, Haliby feels like the furthest away from the Mike McDaniel, you know, the guys it would be in line with the way that Mike McDaniel wants to build a roster.
58:42
[SPEAKER_00]: and the type of players that he would be looking at.
58:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, for that side of it, you know, it'd be a little wary of that of bringing in a completely different philosophy in there to pair with McDaniel, who Ross has really implored already.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't you think that will push Mike McDaniel?
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[SPEAKER_01]: and shake him loose to be a little bit more efficient rather than getting exactly what he wants a more of a challenge for me.
59:14
[SPEAKER_00]: He's proven there's gonna go to Ross where he doesn't get what he wants, right?
59:18
[SPEAKER_02]: That's, yeah, I mean, listen, there's a reason why I mean, don't go there.
59:23
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not Mike McDaniel's team.
59:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Mike McDaniel doesn't own the Miami Dolphins.
59:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to take a look at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: through an organizational perspective, not just from Mike McDaniel.
59:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're talking about a guy who works on an organization that is very analytically minded, that is analytically forward, that have been creative in the foreign office.
59:47
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a guy who's a creative offensive coordinator who's seen as an offensive genius that hasn't done something like this before for the last two, three years and now they've caught on.
1:00:00
[SPEAKER_01]: You got a guy who, you know, is part of an organization that has had creative cathlexibility uses, you know, analytics within scouting now, don't get me wrong.
1:00:12
[SPEAKER_01]: How it'd be doesn't have the strongest scouting background, but you have the structure and discipline in how the front offices is run.
1:00:21
[SPEAKER_01]: how the scouting department is run, how the analytics team is embedded within coaching and has had led to a lot of success too on the field.
1:00:34
[SPEAKER_01]: You would think you would try to at least marry both of those good things to create, you know, a discipline, analytical, forward, and creative organization.
1:00:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with everything you're saying, right?
1:00:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what, McDaniel would have to justify his decisions to him with Daniel.
1:01:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but again, like he like, McDaniel said that somehow he is part of this GM search, right?
1:01:11
[SPEAKER_00]: That just makes me feel like Ross is still empowering, right?
1:01:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And why we'd like to think that McDaniel is going to adjust going to be
1:01:20
[SPEAKER_00]: to mesh with somebody that has a different philosophy.
1:01:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, McDaniel doesn't even seem to be able to, so far, adjust within his own philosophy.
1:01:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're talking about him trying to adjust with somebody who has a different philosophy.
1:01:36
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe I'm wrong, hopefully I am wrong if it is alicolabee, that's just my thoughts on it.
1:01:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I mean, listen,
1:01:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I would imagine Mike McDaniel would be very welcoming of the analytics as the Yale guy.
1:01:56
[SPEAKER_02]: But that being said, you know, to coach his point, I do wonder, you know, whether it's whether it's true or not the perception of how this whole thing went down and the way that it's being reported and some of the language that's being thrown out there by the
1:02:20
[SPEAKER_02]: where you have Ian Rappaport saying, Mike McDaniel really hasn't gotten a fair shot with his quarterback and his GM kind of reads like either Mike McDaniel or someone in his camp is just kind of thrown those two under the bus.
1:02:37
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my biggest concern is when the going gets tough and there's disagreements because you can disagree all you want if you're successful.
1:02:47
[SPEAKER_02]: We see that in the Philadelphia Eagles organization all the time.
1:02:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Those guys, you know, they get along only half the time.
1:02:54
[SPEAKER_02]: But as long as you're winning, doesn't particularly matter.
1:02:59
[SPEAKER_02]: But that being said, I like the idea of kind of
1:03:03
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Mike McDaniel is like a chef a little bit, you know, where it's like cooking is more art than science.
1:03:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I would like him to add a little bit of science into his art.
1:03:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Offensively.
1:03:17
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, maybe if if there has been some reflection, I think halody would be a, you know, a decent option for that.
1:03:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, that pretty much sums it up for tonight's episode.
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