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Silver Explodes While Bitcoin Shakes - Dan Novaes #6359 · Financial Survival Network

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  Speaker 1: I think the broader picture here is, you know, gold
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  Speaker 1: obviously has continued to rally along with silver, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and gold is over a thirty trillion dollar market now.
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  Speaker 1: Bitcoin is still under two trillion dollars. It's in that
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  Speaker 1: two trillion dollar rate, So we're talking about something that's
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  Speaker 1: eight percent or so of the overall gold market.
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  Speaker 3: And welcome. You are listening to and watching the Financial
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  Speaker 3: Survival Network. I'm your host, Carrie Lutz. Well everything all
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  Speaker 3: the headlines. Silver has been dominating for good reason since
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  Speaker 3: we've made the call.
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  Speaker 1: In May.
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  Speaker 3: Mid May, silver broke thirty two and a half. We
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  Speaker 3: knew that was the seminal moment. And today, as we're speaking,
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  Speaker 3: silver's trading at ninety one dollars and change per ounce,
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  Speaker 3: and the gold to silver ratio is shrinking by the second.
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  Speaker 3: But we also made a call of bitcoin short squeeze,
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  Speaker 3: and what we weren't expecting was the deliberate draw down
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  Speaker 3: manipulation of Bitcoin going back down. I think Dan Novas
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  Speaker 3: is with me now.
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  Speaker 1: Dan.
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  Speaker 3: It went down to like the eighties, right around eighty thousand,
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  Speaker 3: maybe even broke eight thousand, and I didn't expect that
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  Speaker 3: to happen. I expected the short squeeze that you're seeing
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  Speaker 3: in silver right now to carry over to Bitcoin, but
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  Speaker 3: they managed to knock it down by forty percent, and
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  Speaker 3: that damn in the enthusiasm. But now that the medals
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  Speaker 3: are on fire, which is something we predicted, bitcoin is
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  Speaker 3: coming along for the show. As we speak, Dan, and
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  Speaker 3: it's January fourteenth, twenty twenty six. Bitcoin hit a new
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  Speaker 3: short term high of ninety seven two hundred dollars. It's
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  Speaker 3: on its way, I had said from the get go
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  Speaker 3: to fifty. I didn't think it was going to happen
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  Speaker 3: last year in twenty twenty five, but I felt like
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  Speaker 3: early on in twenty twenty six, it's going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: What's your take on all this? I mean that was
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  Speaker 3: a mouthful. I know that's not my usual intro, but
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  Speaker 3: I felt like I had to set the scene here
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  Speaker 3: because you're our expert here. You know, you're in the space,
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  Speaker 3: you're the you know, founder CEO of Mode Mobile. You
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  Speaker 3: live and breathe this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so personal, Wist, thanks for having me, Carrier, appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean I think a lot of what
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  Speaker 1: you're saying is is that on you know, we had
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  Speaker 1: a ton of momentum this summer, especially when you know
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  Speaker 1: these dats were coming out, you know, the micro strategies
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  Speaker 1: of the world. Then we saw some of the largest
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  Speaker 1: amounts of accumulation ever in bitcoin's history, especially from company treasuries.
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  Speaker 1: You have this regulatory momentum that's been happening ever since
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  Speaker 1: the Trump administration has has taken play, and you could
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  Speaker 1: see that even through the Trump family holdings and how
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  Speaker 1: involved they did in the crypto market. I think what
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  Speaker 1: happened in October, you know, if I'm not mistaken, I
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  Speaker 1: believe the ay that we ever hit was October six
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  Speaker 1: something something in that range. That in that week and
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  Speaker 1: then we have this massive de leveraging. You know, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people were really feeling the momentum. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of speculation that we were going to
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  Speaker 1: hit that two hundred thousand dollars and essentially then that
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  Speaker 1: you know, short spleeas kind of occurred and you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's a massage to the leveraging that really took a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the momentum out of you know, the bitcoin
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  Speaker 1: you know sales, I would say. And then now as
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  Speaker 1: we get into the end of the year, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people are then thinking about you know, their tax
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  Speaker 1: loss harvesting. There's some uncertainty in the markets, and also
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  Speaker 1: there was some delays and of the regulatory side, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there was a lot of there is a lot of
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  Speaker 1: regulatory momentum, especially with the Clarity Act. That was something
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  Speaker 1: that is now at their Senate and we believe that
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  Speaker 1: it will likely be passed this year, hopefully before the midterms.
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  Speaker 1: And what that essentially will do is that it'll set
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  Speaker 1: the stage not just for bitcoin, but a broader crypto space,
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  Speaker 1: finally having clarity within the industry of what is security,
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  Speaker 1: who actually regulates the stuff, and it's been something that's
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  Speaker 1: been boling down this industry for almost seven years. The
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  Speaker 1: first time that we've ever seen a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: momentum in the right direction is when you know, President
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  Speaker 1: Trump said that, hey, we're gonna treat we're never going
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  Speaker 1: to sell this bitcoin. We'reever going to sell these assets,
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  Speaker 1: and America is going to be first and crypto. And
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  Speaker 1: then you saw that happen. You know, it went from
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think low seventy to hitting that one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty seven k and now we're at a
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  Speaker 1: three month high. You know sense that you know October
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  Speaker 1: sixth crash that we saw.
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  Speaker 3: Soon after, Okay, so yeah, I think we you know,
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  Speaker 3: anytime you see a parabolic move, it's always subject to disruption.
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  Speaker 3: It's always subject to a scrap to a crash. We
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  Speaker 3: saw that happen. It doesn't take a whole heck of
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  Speaker 3: a lot to trigger it because you've got what I
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  Speaker 3: call synthetic bitcoin, which is this infrastructure of options, futures
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  Speaker 3: and permanent futures. I think they're called, you know, things
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  Speaker 3: you've never seen in any other financial instrument. But they
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  Speaker 3: can only disrupt the market temporarily, right Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what ultimately is different about the broader crypto
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  Speaker 1: markets is that you have you know, trading that's happening
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  Speaker 1: twenty four seven literally, and I think in Q three
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  Speaker 1: and Q four there was a really interesting pattern that
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  Speaker 1: it would emerge. You know, you would see a ton
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  Speaker 1: of trading happening, like on Friday evenings and Sunday nights,
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  Speaker 1: and it's when you know, the broader markets aren't there,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the spot BT, bitcoin markets, the ETFs, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the standard markets, they're not training at those times, so
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  Speaker 1: there's not a ton of liquidity. And then at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, you can go into these exchanges trade levered
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  Speaker 1: a you know, ten twenty thirty X and you know,
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  Speaker 1: depending on where the market goes, you could essentially essentially,
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  Speaker 1: you know, kill everyone's position and then that has a
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  Speaker 1: massive impact on the markets. You know that next day
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  Speaker 1: once trading does occur, and so it's very unique to
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  Speaker 1: the crypto markets. It's it's something that you don't have
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  Speaker 1: in many places. And typically when there's not a lot
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  Speaker 1: of liquidity in the market, that's when you're going to
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  Speaker 1: see these moves up and down. We sort of saw
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  Speaker 1: that also even during the New Years, you know, as
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  Speaker 1: people were there's not much liquidity, things are closed and
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  Speaker 1: you know, there there was a lot of all latility,
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  Speaker 1: you know on those days.
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  Speaker 3: Right, a lot of volatility, and that makes all the
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  Speaker 3: difference here. I guess bitcoin is always going to be volatile.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: I do think it's. Yeah, it's always gonna be volatile.
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  Speaker 1: These drawdowns are pretty normal. I mean, at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, you know, if you look at the
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  Speaker 1: long term horizon, we're still quite a lot. I believe that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, before President Trump took like won the election,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're training in the seventies, the sixties and seventies.
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  Speaker 1: Then we saw it skyrocket hit for the first time
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  Speaker 1: one hundred k. There was a drawdown, and then we
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  Speaker 1: hit a next high, which was one twenty seven, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a few months later, and that's all wild that that
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  Speaker 1: whole tariff stuff was happening. I mean, if you remember
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  Speaker 1: April's complete chaos, you know in the markets, and you
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  Speaker 1: know that's still occurred despite that. I think the broader
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  Speaker 1: picture here is, you know, gold obviously has continued to
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  Speaker 1: rally along with silver, you know, and gold is over
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  Speaker 1: a thirty trillion dollar market now. Bitcoin is still under
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  Speaker 1: two trillion dollars. You know, it's in that two trillion
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  Speaker 1: dollar rate. So we're talking about something that's eight percent
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  Speaker 1: or so of the overall gold market gap. If we
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  Speaker 1: really think that the long term rison, is it reasonable
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  Speaker 1: to say that the millennials that are coming into you know,
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  Speaker 1: wealth from their you know, inheritance from the boomer generation,
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  Speaker 1: and it's starting to become the main earners. Is it
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  Speaker 1: more likely that they're going to buy more gold or
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  Speaker 1: is it going to be that they're going to buy
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  Speaker 1: more bitcoin. At the same time, you have other things
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  Speaker 1: happening more on the geopolitical landscape. A lot of countries
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  Speaker 1: are starting to move away from the dollar. They're buying
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  Speaker 1: obviously these precious metals and that's why you see the
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  Speaker 1: surge there, but a lot of them are also considering
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  Speaker 1: and diversifying into bitcoin. I think a great example of this,
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  Speaker 1: and this more of a case study. It's on certainly
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  Speaker 1: the demand, but I think there is some correlation to
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  Speaker 1: what happened over the last three or three days. Why
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  Speaker 1: we've seen bitcoin surge is, you know, the stuff that's
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  Speaker 1: oppenator ran right. Their currency essentially has deepagged into zero
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  Speaker 1: and then there was this insane you know growth into
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  Speaker 1: what bitcoin how much bitcoin costome country. In the past,
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  Speaker 1: we would see that with like the the the premium
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  Speaker 1: in Argentina. In Argentina where you know, people had a
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  Speaker 1: very unstable UH dollar there that they did buy bitcoin
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  Speaker 1: and it traded it a much higher amount. So I
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  Speaker 1: think that you know, more and more countries, especially in
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  Speaker 1: these more unstable markets, are going to continue going after bitcoin.
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  Speaker 1: You know, tax lust harvesting is gone. We have the
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  Speaker 1: Clarity Act. Obviously, some administration is very catable to this.
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  Speaker 1: And then yesterday maybe some one of the biggest you
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  Speaker 1: know inflows in bitcoin spot sense actually you know, the
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  Speaker 1: all time highs, and so there's a lot of momentum
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  Speaker 1: here and you know, I wouldn't be surprisingly hid all
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  Speaker 1: time high, you know, definitely in the in the near future.
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  Speaker 1: This year. I was one that fought we were going
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  Speaker 1: to hit two hundred k prior to the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the whole market manipulation that kind of happened in October.
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  Speaker 1: But I definitely think we're we're not far off.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree now, and it was a little premature,
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  Speaker 3: but hey, I've been holding silver for fifteen years, buying
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  Speaker 3: it eight to ten dollars an ounce. So better to
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  Speaker 3: be early as long as you can hold on than
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  Speaker 3: to be late, right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm actually I was playing as little ray.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of dollars that would be great, sure.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, wasn't that long ago we're talking like
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  Speaker 3: two thousand and nine, twenty ten, and yeah, obviously bitcoin
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  Speaker 3: has far outperformed it, but so far this year, past
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  Speaker 3: twelve months, silver is out performing bitcoin, which I find significant.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting, and I think one point to that is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I personally wasn't a big metals holder myself,
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  Speaker 1: but over the past year my ab diverse fied a
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  Speaker 1: good portion of my portfolio into precious metals, and it's
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's interesting to see. So, I mean, at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, I think they While I did say that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, is it reasonable to say that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: millennials and this new kind of generation are more open
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  Speaker 1: to digital goal, I do think that, you know, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that gold's going to go away. I think
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  Speaker 1: that people are opening up their eyes because they see, okay,
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  Speaker 1: all this buyings occurring of gold from countries like China
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  Speaker 1: and all this stuff that's bringing the price up even further,
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  Speaker 1: and they're essentially, you know, you know, not looking at
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  Speaker 1: the dollar as a safe haven, and so they're going
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  Speaker 1: to be looking at other outsets like precious metals. But
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  Speaker 1: I do think bitcoin has some of the biggest gains
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  Speaker 1: that's possible here in the next five to ten years
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  Speaker 1: amongst everything else and in other crypto as well. You know,
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  Speaker 1: ethereum I think is also something that people should have
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  Speaker 1: in their portfolio. And you know, we're still at a
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  Speaker 1: pretty healthy ratio bitcoin to eth relative to where we've
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  Speaker 1: seen the space.
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  Speaker 3: Over time, I think the bitcoin to ether ethereum ratio
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  Speaker 3: will become the analogue to the gold to silver ratio,
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  Speaker 3: don't you think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that, you know, it's a it's a
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  Speaker 1: good ratio to kind of think that. I think. I
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  Speaker 1: also the way I sort of look at the ethereum
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  Speaker 1: is somewhat similar to oil, you know, to some degree.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, oil is like it's kind of what powers
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  Speaker 1: our society, and I look at ethereum as kind of
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  Speaker 1: what powers uh, you know, digital finance in many ways, right,
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  Speaker 1: A lot of these smart contracts, these stable coins, they're
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  Speaker 1: built on top of the theorium. Obviously there's other blockchains
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  Speaker 1: out there, but you know, it's much more of like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a necessary in order for this digital finance
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  Speaker 1: to occur. But I do think that there's elements of
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  Speaker 1: boult in the way to think about it.
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  Speaker 3: All Right, So somebody who's getting into the space now, uh,
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  Speaker 3: what how would you tell them to do it ETF
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  Speaker 3: wallet because there is a layer of complication. I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to call it complication, I call it friction. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: because you know, you go to the bank, you stick
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  Speaker 3: your ATM card in the slot, you get money. It's
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  Speaker 3: not quite that simple with the with crypto currency, is it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean the broker news are making easier these days.
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  Speaker 1: I mean robin Hood makes it pretty easy to buy
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  Speaker 1: crypto now. But if I was first getting into the space, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I probably go with like some sort of
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  Speaker 1: from ETF solution or I do believe that banks will
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  Speaker 1: soon offer bitcoin and bitcoin cus see that's something that's
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  Speaker 1: you know, as part of this kind of regulation that
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  Speaker 1: allows banks to do that. But yeah, I would I
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  Speaker 1: would ultimately look at uh, you know, if you want
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  Speaker 1: to hold long term dollar cost averaging buying US, you know,
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  Speaker 1: an ETF is a perfectly great way to do it.
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  Speaker 1: You just kind of look at the fees and there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of competition out there. Now
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  Speaker 1: you could always go for like the micro strategy of
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  Speaker 1: the world, and the large play there is that they're
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  Speaker 1: able to accumulate more bitcoin than everyone else because they're
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  Speaker 1: essentially you know, leveraging the asset. And there's even soup
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  Speaker 1: new solutions that micro Strategy has launched that can actually
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  Speaker 1: just give you yield without through their bitcoin holdings, and
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  Speaker 1: so you know, uh, like strike I believe is what
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  Speaker 1: that's what that's called, and that allows you to have
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  Speaker 1: some exposure to bitcoin but also have some nice yield
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  Speaker 1: as well. So those are probably the ways that I
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  Speaker 1: would look about it. And dollar cost averaging is the
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  Speaker 1: right way to think about it, and allocating one to
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  Speaker 1: you know, five percent of your overall portfolio, I think
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  Speaker 1: to the bitcoin and ethereum long term will pay itself
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  Speaker 1: off handsomely. You know, we're still pretty early in the space. Again,
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  Speaker 1: if you really think about the ratio from gold to bitcoin,
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  Speaker 1: which is the best correlation in comparison, eight percent is
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  Speaker 1: still pretty small. There's a long way to go here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, agreed, agreed. All Right, So I guess the
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  Speaker 3: only other question I've got for you is security. How
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  Speaker 3: do you secure your bitcoin so that you don't get burned?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that that's a great question.
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  Speaker 1: There are many ways to do it. I mean, if again,
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  Speaker 1: this is why I also typically recommend like the ETFs
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  Speaker 1: or something in that nature, because you know, it's secured
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  Speaker 1: within your brokerage count. If you do want to hold
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  Speaker 1: your own keys and you're going to buy the coin.
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  Speaker 1: I never recurrently keeping you know, crypto on in an exchange,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because right now there's a lot of uh
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  Speaker 1: scams out there, you know, you know, even if you
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I think it's just important to mention
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  Speaker 1: to people. You know, like Coinbase, for example, Coinbase is
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  Speaker 1: a very secure platform. It's it's highly unlikely that they're
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  Speaker 1: you know, someone's going to hack into that and be
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  Speaker 1: able just to take those funds. But the big thing
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  Speaker 1: that happened here is social hacking. So you know, there
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: was a database leak of a lot of coin based
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: customers that happened in the dark web, and basically they
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: have your information. It doesn't necessarily say how much money
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: is in your account, but it might say, hey, uh,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: you know, Joe John Smith has here's his phone number,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: here's an information, and they'll call you pretending they're Coinbase
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: or patron at their Google and then the locky out
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  Speaker 1: of your account. And I've actually had friends that have
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: lost out in you know, several hundred thousand dollars by
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: following these scams and then they you get flustered, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, it happens very commonly. So best way to
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  Speaker 1: secure bitcoin, you know, if you're going to hold the
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: keys itself, is usually through offline storage solutions. There's also
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: custody solutions that are two factor, three factor or multi
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: say essentially where two people need to sign that transaction.
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  Speaker 1: And so you know, that's what I would recommend, h
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: And there are solutions like that even think about you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you were to pass like how your errors would
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  Speaker 1: get that bitcoin, and it's not easy to then you know,
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  Speaker 1: get access that bitcoin on even if you were kidnapped
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: or something of that nature, because that the coin isn't
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  Speaker 1: accessible just by you. So those are you know, step
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  Speaker 1: one easiest to hardest and most complex of what I
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: would be thinking about.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say your best bet is a trust
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: and you could do simplified trust. Uh you never run,
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: you want to really hold the bitcoin in your name
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: per se for the reasons you said because the I mean, yeah,
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: if you have a beneficiary on the account, anything happens
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: to you, it goes to the beneficiary. That's fine, but
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't cover you for mental disability, powers of attorney,
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: all that type of thing. So if you've got a
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  Speaker 3: substantial holding, consider a trust. I'm not giving legal advice.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just giving my own personal opinion, thinking about it
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  Speaker 3: very carefully for my own crypto holdings as well. And
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  Speaker 3: that's where the traditional, the traditional exchanges, the secure ones
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  Speaker 3: like coinbase can work with a trust easier than the
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  Speaker 3: non traditional. So just my opinion for what it's worth,
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  Speaker 3: All right, Well, hey, appreciate you coming on. Any questions
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  Speaker 1: Dan?
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  Speaker 3: Great meeting you, speaking with you. We'll talk to you
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