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Amy Newman, Raging Atheist, Cindi Lincoln, Kenny Rhodes, Adam Lore, TTOR, Brett Keane · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  I think everyone here recognizes how extraordinary space is
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  whether it is satellites that orbit, the earth humans that
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  land on the moon, or telescopes that peer into the farthest
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  reaches of the universe. Space is exciting.
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  You're going to literally see the craters on the moon, with
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  your own eyes with your own eyes.
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  I'm telling you face is exciting.
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  Oh yeah, Brett. What's going on?
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  Hey people. What's going on?
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  Hello ladies and gentlemen, this is Brett Keen from God TV radio.
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  I hope you're all having a blessed day out there and I
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  guess we got a lot of things to talk about.
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  What do we eat and John, the wife made the wife, made
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  excellent chicken barbecue. It is.
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  Delicious bread. If you want to come over for
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  dinner, we got you an extra piece of drum right here for
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  you. All right.
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  Oh, that's looks delicious. Hi brother, you got to close out
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  of the page outside door. We're gonna back.
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  Oh, I'm hearing a CO close what page outside page.
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  Yeah, that's better. You do better?
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  Don't you know that, huh? Well, take a look because I
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  could hear it echoing in the background while I was talking.
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  I know. But how do you know the echo was
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  caused by a page, being open that he is here.
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  What you're looking listening to what you're hearing from our
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  side. You know Kyle.
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  Oh, he's being brain King. There you go.
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  That's what Christ wants from you there mr.
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  Pastor Kenny roads being pranking.
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  What's the topic of discussion? Brett.
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  What's going on? I was hoping to Kyle would come
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  in here and teach us about the edification of Jesus Christ, but
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  he's already started getting exciting.
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  Hey Becca. How you doing you?
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  Handsome fella, you going to be coming in and chat with us?
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  We love your voice. Base side.
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  You never had the opportunity. I think to talk to Cindy.
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  She's a sweetheart. So you didn't end up having to
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  take anybody out with the Chain Saw earlier.
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  They descend e know and I didn't take myself out.
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  Thank God goodness. Gracious is our mess with chain
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  saws because they'll definitely take me out.
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  It's a low-power. Oh what do you got a question
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  for you here? John.
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  What's my opinion until via singer?
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  Yeah, he's a good guy. Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
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  He makes good YouTube videos. If you're into if you're into
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  that sort of daily, that's good stuff.
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  Been awhile since I seen WWE. But isn't that Dusty Rhodes?
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  A son in the picture there? And oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Oh, Stardust or whatever the hell they were calling him.
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  That would last me a little bit, right Stardust.
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  I wonder why the hell they would do that for Dusty Rhodes was
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  always a badass WWE. And then, Vince McMahon makes
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  both sons kind of like, I don't know.
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  It gimmick. It's kind of weird.
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  Well, yeah, kind of a little. Well, it will fit in for today's
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  generation, right. The that the people that can't
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  be named without being about her maidens like, hey everyone, it
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  was a yeah. So Cindy got anything on your
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  mind? You would pop out.
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  Oh, sorry. What's up?
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  I was just saying hi to Aidan. I'm sorry.
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  What were you saying? Did you have some things that
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  you were wanting to talk about Cindy?
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  If you want to, I'm still eating too.
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  Well you guys can eat fill out and all that we can just relax.
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  Apparently got some news Smokey st.
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  And Ken Pastor Kenny roads out there, you know, Bean brain
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  King, he him and Willard have been flagging.
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  Raging atheist, who ended up losing a video today due to
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  them. We're gonna sink.
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  Well, it's weird because Smoky st.
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  Has made over a couple dozen videos and streams attacking the
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  living piss out of mr. Raging atheist, just remember
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  what the dimmick is that. They like the, you know, how
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  about the rock and stone cold? They used to fight all the time.
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  That's like a big, big Willard's, whatever you call
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  Willie, Boy, and wagon. Burner there like, They're like,
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  they hate each other, so they go after each other.
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  Yeah, but raging never once reported them, even though they
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  brought up his young child, on their streams, and sold to his
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  kid, insulted him attack him for everything under the sun.
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  Yeah, he's pretty hateful. I've tried to be friends with
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  Ragin Asia's. He's, I mean, he's kind of he
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  can be a nice guy, but most of the times he's a prick and as
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  much as I try to be nice to people, I can't give So many
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  people so many chances. So he pretty much burned that
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  bridge. Yeah.
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  Well, let's see what we got. Boy, I got the link out there
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  for people. More people can come in.
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  If you want to do, always takes like about 10 minutes or 15
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  minutes to start getting other people in.
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  Oh boy. So John how you feeling you
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  seemed like you were feeling a little rougher earlier and we
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  were having a pretty good conversation over on your
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  channel. You want to tell people what
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  your channel is so they can go look at that a discussion.
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  We were having and we could try to Finish setup in here, if you
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  want. Can't hear you, John.
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  You must be talking to the wife or something.
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  What happened? What were you asking me?
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  Brett. Well, I was telling people about
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  the video discussion we had over and your channel.
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  You went tell people where to find you, so they can go look
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  for an odyssey. So, I've YouTube is flag happy
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  like you like he was saying, you know, we got Willard out there
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  Smokey tang and she tame, you know, going after people.
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  So, I'm over there now, I'm not going to put the link out, but
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  it's all right. It was a good at It wasn't too
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  bad because Sheila if you want to look for me GIS chal.
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  A yeah looks like we got the dude Brothers.
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  He said he wanted to chat dude. Brothers the link is out there
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  if you'd like to come in and talk.
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  There's a link right there in the comments.
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  Yeah I think we could he was an atheist.
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  You wanted to chat he wants to chat about something.
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  I brought you guys to come over yet.
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  We got a piece that we gotta. We got a piece of barbecue for
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  you. Now, look at that.
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  Sexy piece of drum. Looks delicious.
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  Robbie says, I am a Christian. However, Tobias singer is really
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  making me question, the New Testament.
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  Oh, boy, want to come in here and tell us about it.
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  Tell us about your questions and your issues.
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  This gracious, this 2022, folks, everybody ought to own a That's
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  hateful. Boy, the wife makes his great
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  depths that called, I what you call Chutney.
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  It's like a dip. What the hell are you telling
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  me? What was that all about?
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  It's like little dips. You could take your bread and
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  you dip it in homemade bread. You dip it in mmm-mmm-mmm.
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  So we got somebody wanting to come in.
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  You're going to love my new thing.
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  I'm waiting for the person that okay.
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  It looks like they got it working.
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  Alright, let's go stretch bag one.
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  Here we go. What do you think about my new
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  block picture? Oh, yeah, that's Full picture
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  bread. All right.
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  Hey, Colonel Chubbs, how you doing?
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  I'm doing right. Can you hear me?
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  Okay. Yeah.
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  How come you call yourself? Colonel Chubbs.
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  Actually I got the nickname in the fifth grade just chubs and
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  then as one half of the do brothers, that kind of just us,
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  it was actually all that was given to me over time, really?
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  All right, so you've been checking out some of my videos.
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  I also went over to your channel as well as mr.
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  Wild Heart 6660, would you think is a channel and looks like you
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  guys got some shows of your own at you, putting forth looks
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  pretty interesting. Looks pretty interesting.
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  Yeah, we're actually you disclaimer, there's like five
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  people at times on the channel, I'm the only atheist then that
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  group So I only one who talks about that, so if it's, if you
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  see do brothers in the chat, I'll make it.
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  Clear to me if I want to make a point but I just want to make
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  that clear. First, John, can you hear me?
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  Yeah, we can hear you. What's going on.
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  I can't go past you with ever not thanking.
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  You do you remember helping me when I emailed you about my
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  ancestry and you help me out. Vaguely your I think it was a
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  while back. Yeah.
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  Was well it was people on my mom's side of the family, there
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  was a whole family and you sent me to a rabbi and he did help
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  me. And we did find the name dude.
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  I can't thank you enough. That's very good.
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  I'm glad that he was able to help you.
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  Yeah. In the, you're typing and
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  private chat. The commenter is out on the
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  public chat. You have to type out there.
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  Nobody seeing this, except for me in private chat.
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  That rough. Yeah, click on the public
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  comments. Robbie, why don't you come in
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  here? Because Cindy wants to talk to
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  you. She likes you.
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  I think she's a fan of Dusty Rhodes or something.
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  So you said that in your room, you're the only.
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  Just who do you got? Coming into your room?
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  What's happening there? No.
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  I said on the channel, we're an entertainment Channel.
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  And there were like five different creators.
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  So you'll see two of us or all of us and doing like a review of
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  a movie or anything like that. I, I speak out actually for
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  atheism just because I try to clear a lot of stuff up.
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  Like, you know, first of all, I didn't know one who you guys are
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  for a very long time, since 09. And my, what really you actually
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  watched our videos this long? You ain't vomited or fell asleep
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  yet? No, I don't.
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  I'm not like that. Um, do you guys remember the the
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  people called red poppy, red pill religion.
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  Right channel for not too long ago.
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  You remember that gun, you know me?
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  I'm an old man, I'm suffering from amnesia.
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  Are you didn't last too long, but a lot of people seem to know
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  who they were, but like, they were very aggressive, they were
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  the religious side. And when I finish that
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  interview, and put it up, like, I had people come out to work
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  and go hide and how in the world did you sit through all that?
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  But I have six hours of me having conversations with people
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  because I may be an atheist. But religious is super
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  interesting to me. And then it's not like I'm not
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  one of those who, oh, I'm an atheist.
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  I forget about it. I've been an Atheist for 35
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  years and I have three Bibles next to my bed.
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  So I learned all the time Oh, by the way, people who come in and
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  actually use cameras and show their face, they get to be on
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  the main screen. That's the privilege.
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  How come on the screen? But I didn't want to smoke a
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  cigarette if you didn't want smoking on your channel.
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  I'm not some kind of stuff man. You'd be surprised, you know cuz
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  he hold on, you've been watching my channel this long and you
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  actually think I'm concerned about cigarettes.
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  Hold on me now everybody knows the cigarettes.
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  Got vitamin C and them real quick.
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  Hi to everybody on the panel. I want to say hi and everybody
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  in the chat to thank you for letting me be here.
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  I really appreciate you giving me some time and I only say that
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  because I know you can get to monetize for four people
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  smoking. Sometimes that's why I asked
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  what are you smoking order crack or something?
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  No, it's a Camel cigarette but no even smoked a cigarette.
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  That you could get to monetize. If you like reviewing movie,
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  they won't. They'll take you up.
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  Seen it happen. That's all I'm saying.
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  I wanted to be nice and just ass.
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  That's all, that's all. That's cool.
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  I appreciate this. Very respectful of you.
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  I love you for that. And by the way, I'm not
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  monetize. Don't worry about taking any
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  money out of me. No, I'm not now.
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  Just like I said, you know, some people do it.
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  But um, yeah, we spoke before and I was in a Google room with
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  you with sister sunshine Couple years ago and you put out a
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  video about then and you're not the only one to bring this up,
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  but you the the whole kind of Trope of well, you know, atheist
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  seemed to come from broken homes and the suicide rates up and
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  this and that and to a fax on it.
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  That's right. But let me tell you, I'm an
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  atheist by myself. There's nobody within 50 miles.
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  There are some but nobody Talk to my parents had been together
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  since high school and they're in their 70s.
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  And we, I grew up in a great family, great home.
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  Nothing bad happened to me to turn me to an atheist bad things
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  happen later. But, you know, and I may be in
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  the minority in the group, but I also hate it when like, when
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  talking about any theism people bring up the like, oh well, our
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  and Rod did this and Matt Dillahunty and I will
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  immediately Say, yeah, I don't talk to them, I don't know them
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  and they don't speak for me, and I think it hurts both sides.
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  Like, so many like, G man. Who really would want to like go
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  toe-to-toe with our raw. Like, it's useless because its
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  height. Now, like all these, all these
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  debates are ridiculous. Like y'all can't tell me, it's
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  not the same, the same thing I've heard of a 35 years, you
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  know? It is seem to be quite redundant
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  at this point. Net.
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  I was on Monday debate. By the way, I threw my hat in
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  the ring because I just like to, like when we sit, when I hear
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  atheist, had no morality. Where do you get your mileage
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  from? I'm, I'm married with three kids
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  and they are all good people. You know, nobody's gotten in
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  trouble. They all have jobs, it's
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  amazing. So, I might be, I said a
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  minority but everybody's different, you know.
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  Oh mr. Chubbs, I believe that atheists
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  have morality is just that. I'm So God Gave You morality and
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  put that in your system, whether you believe it or not, I think
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  what people are asking whenever it comes from morality is D
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  objective morality. And if you believe that
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  everything's naturalistic, then it would be hard to be able to
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  make an argument for someone who doesn't believe in an objective
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  reality Creator to do morality right?
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  Oh no II agree with that. Totally and my my response would
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  be what I've noticed in you know I'm in My 40s, man.
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  I over my time, I've seen every type of person do bad and good.
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  So I would say it, the god you you, you're talking about.
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  Like, maybe he put everything in all the play In Motion.
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  But he doesn't seem to be paying attention.
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  And, but at the same time, like the Bible, if you read that, he,
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  he intervened or talk to people. It did a lot of things.
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  And I just, it's like, okay, well, Nothing, like that's
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  happened. So, maybe we are just here and
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  like I told my kids, by the way, I gave them, the absolute choice
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  between religion and not religion.
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  I told my side, I mean, I went to 12 years of Catholic school,
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  I told them. Hey, that's that's what these
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  people believe. My my kind of Commandments are,
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  hey, you'd be a good person you live by you need, you want to
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  live in infamy or forever, your name was forever.
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  When people talk to you and you know, say hey, that was a that
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  was a good person for me. That's what is eternal.
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  You know, can I ask you a question as well as mr.
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  Wild heart. And by the way, I'm really
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  happy. You guys came in.
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  You both seem like you really cool folks and all that and I
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  think it's going to be good discussion.
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  What do you you said that your name will live on forever?
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  I guess you're talking about imprinting it digitally but
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  whether your name, no, no religious.
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  We all believe that the world will end one day that the
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  universe is going to die in some form if that had hit by an
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  asteroid tomorrow. So if this happens according to
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  the atheist worldview, what happens to all Humanity that?
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  Because I sting like 99.9% of all species that have ever lived
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  basically. Yeah we cease to exist.
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  First, there's no one out there recording Messer protecting us
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  or anything that we won't even be a memory or even a dream.
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  I can never even existed. Yeah honestly like I don't think
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  like I don't really I don't really care if somebody outside
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  earth needs to know who I am or what I did, you know, like I
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  think as humans and you know we evolved to where we're at very
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  complex. It's truly amazing.
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  But like, there's I believe because if you were to throw out
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  what you say like on Nazi name, the first thing comes to your
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  mind is evil to be. That's what I'm talking about.
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  Like like I want people when I pass the girl, you know that
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  that was there was a good guy. He did go back and Learn by
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  that. Why don't I try to be more like
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  that? And that's what religion is to
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  me. Like there's a, there's 4,000
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  religions. I think everybody's got the
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  right idea. Dia.
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  But stop putting a top on it. Like yeah, I'm sure nobody knows
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  how we got here, unless you have a time machine.
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  So let's talk about now. I don't see anything happening
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  and there's a lot of religions and I think things just happen
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  like they're going to have everybody's got to wake up and
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  go to work or something the next day, no matter what you believe
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  in to me. That's the reality.
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  So that's where I sit on that. Sorry for the long answer.
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  No, it's fine man. I appreciate you putting in
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  effort on your Sponsors and put some thought into it.
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  What's your thoughts? Your wild heart and Cindy, make
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  sure you guys get to participate.
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  Yeah, basically I think when, when the sun expands and heats
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  the Earth, basically, that's it. Humankind is normal, it doesn't
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  matter. Whether it be nice to have a
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  God's looking out there and he's not letting he's not in.
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  There is no difference as to whether it's true or not.
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  How are you an atheist as well? Or more of an agnostic.
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  What's your position? I am an agnostic atheist.
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  Yeah I'm sure you know the argument about that, right.
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  So you either one of you I know this comes off weird but the
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  question simple is there at least a probability or
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  possibility of a God and you were reality Yeah, the, my big.
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  I just know. I did enough evidence to believe
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  it myself. It's got back to you, mr.
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  Tubbs he could, you see chubs. That's fine.
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  That's what everybody calls me. Um, I would never say because I
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  could never know. And when we, you know, if I move
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  on to the next level and there is that's a good thing if there
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  isn't and it's just nothing, I won't know because I'm dead.
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  But I still have to lead a good life either way and Not I think
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  it's a I think it's a detriment and a crutch to say I need to be
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  good because of a God, for whatever reason.
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  Because if that's like saying do you need a God to not kill
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  somebody. That's kind of crazy, you know,
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  but that's the extreme and I know that Okay, so I have to ask
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  because you both have pretty much left it open where you're
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  like, okay, so it's possible. Sure, but you don't have enough
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  evidence. I get that, I get that.
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  So if you don't mind me asking, why do you even bother leaving
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  the possibility? Open for God.
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  I don't you just go full Penn and Teller and say to hell with
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  it all. And there's only going to be
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  felt like she's just cause I'm honest, I genuinely don't know,
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  the could be a God. So, it's not massive whether or
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  not unless they don't want it to be just genuinely, don't know.
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  Yeah, it's been on the phone, I'm not sure.
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  You said just you just want me to call you chubs, right?
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  No, Mister in front of it. Everybody just says chubs.
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  Um, I I leave it open simply because like I said, Whether
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  there's a God or not, when we're done, I have to go, you know, do
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  my, my father, we things her husband things.
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  And that's, that's a again. I think, like, when people felt
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  like I need, pray for this to happen but it's like, no you
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  have to make it happen or you have to come to terms with that
• 25:07
  side of the world works. I've had so you know, I'll just
• 25:10
  say this I do, I've lost a child in my life.
• 25:12
  One of my children didn't make it but I know, I wouldn't even
• 25:17
  if there was a god blame God. I see things happen as they
• 25:21
  happen and we got to come to terms with that.
• 25:23
  And again, like, I've had conversations about religion
• 25:27
  because there's no reason to debate because guess what?
• 25:29
  Nobody has that answer? Give me the smartest, man.
• 25:32
  In the dumbest man, they still had no clue.
• 25:35
  You know. I don't care how many phds you
• 25:36
  have we unless you can turn back time.
• 25:39
  This is where we at now. How do I capitalize on the here?
• 25:42
  And now I just got to concentrate and doing Right
• 25:45
  there and I think that's where religion gets it right as well.
• 25:50
  But concentrate too much on like, you know, your God says
• 25:54
  the first two rules are. I'm the only one and I'm it to
• 25:58
  me. That's a little, you know, it's
• 26:00
  like okay wait a minute. Hope that sums up I hear you.
• 26:06
  There you find it unusual that he says, I'm the one God and I'm
• 26:10
  what's at? What you say that about yourself
• 26:13
  though? Your, your separate entity from
• 26:15
  everyone else. You'd say I'm tubs.
• 26:17
  And I'm the only child. That's that's well, that's,
• 26:20
  that's a identifying features of me but I'm still a human like
• 26:26
  everybody else. Yeah, but you're unique.
• 26:31
  Everybody's life is amazingly unique.
• 26:34
  And everybody's unique life is precious.
• 26:36
  But what's the difference between me and you do the same
• 26:41
  and you believe there's a guy out there were still going to do
• 26:43
  the same thing, right? So there's a couple different as
• 26:49
  well but I can see most likely as Fathers as men were going to.
• 26:54
  We're going to pretty much try to do the best we can take care
• 26:57
  of our family and have love. I believe that atheist have love
• 27:01
  and them I just simply believe that God put that in you to be
• 27:04
  able to experience it. If you guys don't mind because
• 27:07
  it looks like I'm going to be able to trust you as well as
• 27:10
  wildheart. I'm going to walk away for a
• 27:12
  moment. You guys take over to show as
• 27:14
  70, all right, be right. Say listen, Johnsville in this
• 27:19
  lecture. Hi guys.
• 27:24
  Sorry, can you say what? You said again?
• 27:26
  Cuz I couldn't hear you. You were talking about welfare,
• 27:33
  right? Yes sir, I'm sorry I couldn't
• 27:35
  see you. Atheist means you believe that
• 27:54
  there is no well actually the word a like abiogenesis means
• 28:01
  without life beginning. So atheist would mean without a
• 28:06
  god. Yeah, right.
• 28:09
  Yeah, boy. Doesn't mean you couldn't
• 28:11
  believe there is no God, just you don't actually believe the
• 28:15
  one like this. You don't really know about that
• 28:20
  agnostic part of it. I think that's a misnomer by the
• 28:25
  way. I'm sorry.
• 28:28
  Good go ahead. You sure.
• 28:31
  Okay I don't want to step on me but I don't I think agnostic
• 28:36
  atheist like everybody is I don't care religious or not none
• 28:40
  of us truly know. So there's no way to be it for
• 28:44
  anybody to be able to say, I know there isn't a God, Like You
• 28:47
  can't put no in front of that. I just find that to be a
• 28:50
  misnomer. I think you're right.
• 28:53
  Oh well, the presupposition. Sorry, I had to give my glasses.
• 29:26
  I'm nondenominational, I've been Baptist.
• 29:29
  I've been my don't want everyone to be a Baptist again.
• 29:34
  Um, I just basically follow the Bible, the best that I can.
• 29:39
  And I, my dad raised me that you could never know, like what
• 29:44
  you're saying and then um, Somebody.
• 29:53
  I don't remember exactly how it happened, but somebody told me
• 29:57
  about Jesus and I came to believe that he was the Creator.
• 30:03
  God, come to Earth. And if that's fact, which I
• 30:10
  think it is, then you can know him, he came so that he could
• 30:14
  introduce himself. And then, he wrote a book.
• 30:20
  So, I think he can be known. I know there's a lot of myths
• 30:26
  and interpretations of the Bible and a lot of things said about
• 30:32
  Jesus, that aren't true. Like he wasn't a real man or
• 30:36
  that he wasn't God. But if he healed the blind rose
• 30:45
  from the dead, actually, he raised three other people from
• 30:48
  the dead to Lazarus gyrus is daughter and the Widow's son.
• 30:55
  That's he did that to prove that he had the power of God, the
• 31:00
  power to create life. So, that's how I came to believe
• 31:07
  that you could know the Creator. Oh no.
• 31:12
  I by the way, I always say been no part in front of atheists.
• 31:16
  Like, if you believe there's a God you can put no in front of
• 31:20
  that because there's something there, you know, that's, that's
• 31:24
  the only part part about the no thing but I absolutely, by the
• 31:27
  way, I agree with what you're saying, I love it because I did,
• 31:31
  like I said, 12 years of Catholic school.
• 31:33
  I paid attention and listen, and that that's a miraculous story
• 31:38
  that I just thinking in. I thought I would say The
• 31:42
  evidence literally went off Planet.
• 31:46
  So it could have happened. That's true.
• 31:48
  Like, it was like this sounds reasonable.
• 31:52
  That person they talking about existed in everything, you know.
• 31:56
  I only Wonder things like, like, why only at that time it made
• 32:00
  sense for when the book was starting to be written but and
• 32:04
  why I never come back, quick. He could come, he could have
• 32:08
  solved like so many wars just by appearing you okay, it's me.
• 32:13
  You know, I don't but I don't dance like see I don't use that
• 32:17
  as like a debate Point, that's just how I feel so, right.
• 32:21
  Yeah. Hey Cindy I'm back, he will
• 32:24
  never respond. Hi brother.
• 32:26
  Yeah, I was just going to say, you know, it's frustrating that
• 32:32
  he doesn't talk to us right now and that he doesn't walk with us
• 32:37
  right now but it's the very beginning of the Bible.
• 32:44
  In Genesis it says he used to walk with us and that when we
• 32:49
  chose to believe Satan and reject him, that's when we he he
• 32:58
  didn't walk with us anymore and one of the things that's going
• 33:02
  to happen at the very end of the Bible is that he's going to walk
• 33:05
  with us again. And I can't wait.
• 33:12
  Cindy, what do you think about people around the world?
• 33:15
  Who are claiming to see manifestations or hear God, or
• 33:19
  have experiences? I've seen videos where not only
• 33:22
  religious people who've had some kind of out-of-body experience.
• 33:26
  They claimed they'd seen God, but I've also seen videos of
• 33:30
  big-time atheist who had an accident or a trauma where they
• 33:35
  state that they seen what he'll look like.
• 33:37
  Our heard the voice of God. What do you think about that?
• 33:42
  You know, my son died to Chubbs my condolences, by the way.
• 33:51
  Yeah, I sent somebody sent me a book called Heaven Is For Real.
• 33:58
  Do you remember that movie? I saw the movie.
• 34:01
  But yeah, the little boy, went to heaven after an accident.
• 34:06
  Like Brett was saying and he claims that he met his sister.
• 34:12
  That had been a miscarriage before, he was even born and
• 34:16
  some strange things that made it evidential that he wasn't lying.
• 34:22
  Plus he was for four-year-olds not going to make up that stuff
• 34:26
  and actually did a few years later.
• 34:36
  He said, can you say that again? Yes.
• 34:39
  Let's add the, the author of the book.
• 34:41
  I'll It actually admitted that he did actually make it up.
• 34:45
  Yeah, it didn't happen. He was kind of guided Along by
• 34:51
  his parents, I think. Yeah, it's quite quite famous.
• 34:55
  Are you kidding me actually, that's exactly right Sandy in
• 35:03
  that specific incident that kid to grow up and then come out and
• 35:07
  say my parents kind of contrived it all up and everything.
• 35:12
  It's sad because it was a really fantastic movie.
• 35:15
  It was very moving, had a good message, but in that case, sadly
• 35:20
  it was bullshit. And I, and I don't doubt those
• 35:23
  Liars out there. I don't doubt there's crazy.
• 35:25
  People. But when you have millions of
• 35:27
  people, you can't deny them all, especially if you don't know.
• 35:30
  Them personally, especially the help sir.
• 35:34
  You're so real and fake. Yeah, there's been a native app
• 35:40
  out there. Sending, there's been popular,
• 35:42
  atheist, who had out-of-body experiences, and I've even met
• 35:46
  non-believers, who believe in the afterlife in Spirits.
• 35:49
  Because what they seem, they just don't believe in a God or a
• 35:52
  higher power. What do you guys think of that
• 35:55
  for the non-believers out there who actually believe in spirits
• 35:58
  and some kind of energy? I would you say I would need to
• 36:05
  have those experiences to think like that but I don't see how
• 36:10
  they can do it over. Can deny that God exists and
• 36:13
  then believing like glass or something.
• 36:15
  Not unlike that works. I got a weird moral question for
• 36:19
  you guys if you don't mind. All right, so let's say that
• 36:23
  you're walking in the street and you see somebody walk and then
• 36:27
  suddenly they started having a heart attack and they fall to
• 36:30
  the Ground, you know, they don't have long to live.
• 36:33
  You sure. You'll call an ambulance but
• 36:35
  it's not going to get there in time.
• 36:37
  The person speaks up at you and says, can you pray to Jesus for
• 36:42
  me? And, you know, they only have a
• 36:44
  little time. Would you do it?
• 36:45
  Or would you say I'm sorry, you're worm food there, pal.
• 36:49
  What would you do not yet? But okay.
• 37:03
  I could tell you about a year ago, we were in a different
• 37:07
  place, living in some apartments.
• 37:09
  And they had a lady that everybody knew was really
• 37:13
  religious and she was very vocal about it.
• 37:15
  And he saw me walking my dog or something.
• 37:19
  And we we were talking and she wanted to pray at the end and I
• 37:23
  did, I just didn't make the sign of the cross, but I bow my head
• 37:26
  to be respectful because if somebody came to me saying, Can
• 37:31
  we pray Thor for a second? I would I do it.
• 37:35
  I mean, I'm not going to ever ever tell somebody like, into
• 37:39
  their face like, new? Nope, nope.
• 37:41
  That's ridiculous. And hey, look, 35 years being an
• 37:45
  atheist, I've never tried to convert anybody.
• 37:49
  Talk them down, make them believe something different.
• 37:52
  I never invalidated anybody because that's one that truly my
• 37:56
  business. Like we should introduce
• 37:59
  ourselves as God fearing people. People or not but you know that
• 38:04
  leaves two things. I don't like and speak out about
• 38:06
  like people and we've all heard this, like listen, I'm a
• 38:10
  God-fearing person. Why would I lie and you know
• 38:12
  that line? They shouldn't be used like that
• 38:14
  first of all. But that's just, you know,
• 38:17
  there's a little summer. I'm sorry.
• 38:18
  I'm trying to get a lot out. That's why I emailed you Brett.
• 38:21
  Like I could talk to you for like two shows just about normal
• 38:26
  stuff. That's what been trying to do
• 38:28
  with you for years, but so many trolls, but Well, hey man, you
• 38:33
  don't have to do to show you can get 20 shows with me if you
• 38:36
  like. That's right.
• 38:39
  I'm just like I said, I'm always honored just to be on anybody's
• 38:42
  panel. Anybody show to actually let
• 38:45
  y'all talk to any atheist who's been an Atheist but you know,
• 38:49
  not a hateful person, not hateful about it and like You
• 38:55
  know, a lot of these people, give it bad names.
• 38:58
  Oh, a little fun fact for you. Brett, the Raging atheist.
• 39:02
  And I did a show on on his Channel about Native Americans
• 39:07
  and Bigfoot, because the two communities I came from the
• 39:12
  beginning of YouTube was the Cryptids, it Bigfoot community,
• 39:16
  and the atheist or latest side. So what exactly?
• 39:21
  So what is your view about Bigfoot?
• 39:22
  You think there's some kind of weird The form primate running
• 39:26
  around the woods. No, I'm in the camp of like what
• 39:31
  we would consider when we think Missing Link, you know, just a
• 39:38
  humanoid, you know, people always.
• 39:42
  Why would it not be intelligent? We would say they probably be
• 39:45
  very intelligent, very capable of staying away from us enough,
• 39:49
  you know, that's the camp either.
• 39:54
  You think it's a missing earring?
• 39:59
  No, like I'm using that word, just another like a chimp or
• 40:05
  gorilla between us but super smart except it's the muscle
• 40:11
  structure to make it in the wood.
• 40:19
  What do you think of it? Well, sorry, I can't tell when
• 40:22
  you're about to speak Cindy, go ahead.
• 40:25
  I know somebody who needs a Bigfoot Research Foundation, or
• 40:30
  counselor, something Bigfoot research, something she has
• 40:34
  submitted scat and hair samples. And she says, it's similar to an
• 40:42
  orangutan, but not Exactly. And she says, there's a creature
• 40:48
  in the Bible called the sat here and that's what she thinks it
• 40:52
  is. Be like a great ape.
• 40:59
  You need two jobs. What?
• 41:05
  Just tell them troubles, he was muted.
• 41:06
  I think it was speaking. Oh sorry, if I hit it, too much
• 41:10
  arm know, I've been in rooms on in the Bigfoot community, and
• 41:14
  they say that the Nephilim with a great great ancestors of
• 41:17
  Bigfoot. And I, what is it Mina?
• 41:20
  Or there's a hairy man, in the Bible.
• 41:25
  Somebody covered in hair. Yeah, they say.
• 41:27
  Thank you. Thank you.
• 41:28
  Yeah. So there's connections, they
• 41:30
  make but I've actually like well, how did what happened
• 41:32
  during the flood and you're like, oh, Don't know.
• 41:37
  Hard to make us but no we sorry go ahead in terms of the
• 41:43
  Nephilim being wiped out by the flood.
• 41:46
  Or what were you meaning I brought it up.
• 41:50
  As what? Well kind of what would the
• 41:52
  Nephilim done for the flood but since there are half gods in
• 41:58
  that that sense you know have human half.
• 42:01
  God like the demigods. So I if they existed I would I
• 42:05
  would just say there is a good answer.
• 42:07
  Sure. And then they descended to what
• 42:10
  we see is Bigfoot me in that camp.
• 42:12
  That's not that I'm not in that camp.
• 42:15
  That's interesting. Oh yes T know.
• 42:20
  Hey that's the if y'all ever wanted to show about that.
• 42:23
  I did a podcast for like a year cuz this watchable podcast as a
• 42:27
  co-host and we debunked videos and stories and brought up other
• 42:32
  stories. And oh, to answer your question
• 42:34
  about the ghost thing brat. I have seen ghosts myself and I
• 42:40
  believe because energy cannot be destroyed as they say.
• 42:45
  Don't thing and maybe energy can form in what it used to think it
• 42:51
  was, you know, something like that.
• 42:53
  But I do believe that and not an afterlife.
• 42:57
  Do you believe this possible for a consciousness of its energy to
• 43:02
  remain after the physical body? Not Consciousness, you know when
• 43:07
  when our brain dies that point that part of us is not no more.
• 43:13
  But if anything I say energy, Cannot be created or destroyed.
• 43:16
  It has to go somewhere has to do something.
• 43:20
  You know, that's just like like a plausible answer.
• 43:24
  I was given like, you mean like the whole of gums or something
• 43:27
  like that, you know, they're not actually people, I would say if
• 43:43
  we die then a Comes afterwards. Is that what you're saying?
• 43:48
  You know, with my guys, it feels on less than that.
• 43:51
  It kind of in somewhere like we called like a, you know, just
• 43:56
  like a video of 1000 of you. So when you see a ghost it's not
• 43:59
  actually a thinking being like it's just like a recording of
• 44:05
  when they were alive. I've heard that before.
• 44:08
  I don't believe it myself, but you could be true.
• 44:12
  In other words every community Oh sorry.
• 44:18
  Are you saying it would be a disembodied Soul?
• 44:21
  No, no, no no no. They not a thinking being just a
• 44:25
  record, you know, like a hologram things like repeating
• 44:30
  over and over again. What we call them I don't
• 44:35
  believe it was bad. I thought you said anyway.
• 44:43
  Oh yeah. They added that yearbook when
• 44:45
  people who are alive? No, see the ghosts.
• 44:48
  He's I think it's just so it could be just like a recording
• 44:53
  of it, you know? I mean some kind of reminder you
• 44:57
  have a thick British accent? I do.
• 45:00
  Yeah. Have a look.
• 45:02
  Are you from Ireland? Very closer.
• 45:07
  Yeah Northern England. Yeah.
• 45:09
  Manchester. Okay.
• 45:12
  The you want people can't understand a word.
• 45:14
  I'm saying I can't have a hard time and it's time when I moved
• 45:18
  to Alabama, I'm like, can you please repeat that five times
• 45:22
  good. I'm from Lincoln Lincolnshire, I
• 45:30
  guess, I'm not sure. Yeah.
• 45:34
  But my grandma was watch Irish. Yes, she always said Mother's
• 45:40
  Irish, my father is Irish and I'm Iris to the champion said
• 45:48
  that he'd said just a moment ago that you would you'd seen
• 45:52
  something. You've seen a ghost, can you
• 45:54
  tell us a little bit about your experience?
• 45:56
  Dora Mae. Now, wife, we were engaged.
• 46:01
  We went to the Myrtle's plantation of famous haunted
• 46:03
  Plantation. And I went out in the middle of
• 46:06
  night to have a smoke and what looked like to me because they
• 46:13
  had a lot of unfortunate children died there, too.
• 46:18
  What I saw and I was by myself, was a circle children dancing
• 46:22
  dancing in a circle and white dresses.
• 46:24
  The fun fact is a year later. My wife, then now, We're
• 46:29
  watching The History Channel and an episode about the Myrtle's
• 46:33
  plantation came on. We've never seen it before as a
• 46:35
  brand new episode and they literally said people see
• 46:40
  children dancing and white dresses.
• 46:41
  So take that as you will. That's the story.
• 46:44
  Wow, holy cow, why don't understand about glasses Wiley?
• 46:53
  I was dressing like 18th century costumes.
• 46:55
  Why do you never get any Kidman girls while they're I'll feed?
• 46:59
  Just from my story. They would have died in two
• 47:02
  dresses like they were hand because it was during Civil
• 47:05
  Wars, you know. Yeah, but I mean people will do
• 47:09
  know there's a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:11
  So maybe I think I just asked maybe like like the ghost is
• 47:20
  Just Energy, maybe we see a person because that's what we
• 47:23
  think we would see, you know. It could also be that if it's a
• 47:30
  Consciousness and it's a soul, it's what it manifest around
• 47:34
  itself because that's what it remembers.
• 47:38
  Yeah, ghost could be Souls II if that's the case I wouldn't.
• 47:42
  Yeah, that would make sense. What's your gear scripturally?
• 47:50
  I think there's both. There's demons and there's
• 47:56
  Souls. Remember, when Saul was called
• 48:00
  up, let's see. No, yes.
• 48:02
  All called up Samuel. From the dead.
• 48:08
  But I've been told that that I don't know. somebody said that,
• 48:15
  that would be impossible scripturally but Yeah, I don't
• 48:19
  understand like you can justify the soul like this.
• 48:24
  I don't know what their businesses goes wrong.
• 48:29
  Well certainly very significant. I don't know how you can justify
• 48:35
  that. There's even a soul because is
• 48:38
  there a way of testing that we got us all where we can find
• 48:42
  out? Well, the other way of looking
• 48:48
  at it is, how could we not have a soul?
• 48:51
  We're not just laying there like a rock and we're not just
• 48:55
  growing like a plant. We're actually volitional.
• 49:00
  Yeah, but not going to be just like, you know, a combination of
• 49:03
  what has been those, you know, this was thinking.
• 49:08
  If you think about it, if our brain is a bunch of random
• 49:12
  chemicals, we've never witnessed chemicals change into life
• 49:18
  before. Living.
• 49:25
  Yeah, but it must have happened because, you know, I mean,
• 49:31
  whether God did they are, it was natural, it did happen, you
• 49:35
  know, I mean, Well, since we don't see it, I would speculate
• 49:41
  that it had to be God, but I guess atheists in general will
• 49:45
  say oh, you're just pulling the God card because, you don't
• 49:48
  understand. But in in scientifically life
• 49:53
  always comes from life. Like Brett says, there's always
• 49:57
  a daddy, every we've everything we've ever seen and then he been
• 50:03
  around forever and doesn't need an explanation, which I I'm
• 50:10
  sorry. So yeah Usain everything comes
• 50:14
  from life until you get to God and then he doesn't need an
• 50:18
  explanation. He's just always been a door,
• 50:21
  right? Right.
• 50:24
  We'll go the center will eventually.
• 50:27
  You're right, honey. That's exactly true.
• 50:30
  And the other thing that I've that really helped me with.
• 50:33
  That one is okay. There's two options right either
• 50:37
  God It always was. Or he had a beginning.
• 50:42
  Either one is a mind blow. Isn't it?
• 50:47
  Oh, you know about Fitness is he doesn't suggest it has never
• 50:51
  existed which is not going to be able.
• 50:54
  I think it's all amazing. I've come from Sorry Chubbs no,
• 50:59
  no. I I can answer that too if you
• 51:02
  want. Yeah.
• 51:04
  Now my view is personally that there's enough things floating
• 51:10
  around in space. Especially things like comments
• 51:13
  that have water on them. I don't think like one did it.
• 51:18
  But enough and enough times life came from that.
• 51:21
  And to jump to what we were just you were just talking about.
• 51:26
  I see the way like Whether you're a parent or not, if you
• 51:30
  see a child, a child falling, our instinct is to try and save
• 51:33
  that child fight or flight is real thing, but we've adapted
• 51:38
  for him to gather his way. We knew to protect our children
• 51:41
  back then that stay with us but now we can ask.
• 51:44
  Well, why do we do that? And we can examine it truly is
• 51:47
  amazing but, you know, yes, it could be God, but I think over
• 51:51
  time we started asking questions as living organisms and we just,
• 51:57
  we We're the lucky ones and we're not living out in the
• 52:00
  woods. Still felt that hope that
• 52:02
  answers out a little bit wild hard as well as gems.
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  Guys, mind, if ask another hypothetical, if you, if either
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  one of you seen a okay, I'm sorry.
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  Brett So what you just said jobs is that there was comments with
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  water on them and that that's where we came from.
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  But any of the elements that are on those comments, you know, if
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  they're made out of granite or whatever, they're made out of
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  gas balls, I don't know what they are, plus water, I
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  something we've never witnessed any such thing.
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  Actually come to life. Well, just to clear that up a
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  little bit like one, there's a lot of stuff out in space.
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  Not I just use common as an example because the light Trail,
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  we seized is water, but there's enough stuff in water in there
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  was enough stuff on this planet and back then and now we're
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  yeah. And but honestly, we haven't
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  been hit by anything that would do something like that because
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  we would have seen it but that's just my answer for it.
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  Like there's enough. Tough out there.
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  And on this planet over time it got together and said, I need to
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  reproduce and we see life now and we do that, where our goal
• 53:27
  should be you, you're born and you die in between there, you
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  can reproduce or not you know something that's not for
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  everybody and the animals, do it.
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  The plants. Do it.
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  Everybody does it. You say a god started it?
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  That's fine. I just, there's nothing that
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  shows that cause if you're there needs to be a cause every I'm
• 53:47
  sorry to go off in a quick rant, but all the theists like Ray
• 53:51
  Comfort Hogan ham, you name it. They have the same script but
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  it's like they're they're the least of the Hat.
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  There could be anything else, like I'm giving my answer but I
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  don't think that's could be the only answer, but that's the
• 54:08
  problem with there's no different debates because that's
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  the only answer like it has to be this or nothing.
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  So yeah, sorry I was going to say, Wrote.
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  We have actually found amino acids like meteors or not, so we
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  know and they're like the building blocks of life.
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  So we know that, you know, kind of existing, you know, this
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  person All right, if you don't mind.
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  Yeah, they have, I don't know. I've not done a lot of research,
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  but I know their phone and amino acids on YouTube.
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  It's yeah. Have you ever listen to James
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  tour? James?
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  I'm tired of works with amino acids.
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  And he was saying how they're like milk, they sit on the
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  counter for more than six hours and they rot.
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  So you can't just have me no asses floating around and expect
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  them to turn into some creature with, you know, a stomach and
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  lungs and skin. A lot and veins.
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  They rot. Yeah, they would have said,
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  well, they would love to be in the way like, temperatures rise
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  above. And yeah, well, I was thinking
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  uh yeah. And they are the building blocks
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  of life, but they are not living.
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  Them self, wouldn't it? Still be.
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  I think an amino acid is he's essentially a chemical compound,
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  isn't it? Yeah, yeah, so you told Anna
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  it's just chemicals into action. so that means again, you've got
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  something in adamant And it's just basically a chemical.
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  And we have never witnessed scientifically.
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  That become a living thing. No, believe it.
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  If the conditions on this a different, which they are now
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  from when it happened, it might be impossible to delete the what
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  was it? You and Miller experiments, and
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  other weren't they have problems with your but, you know, yeah,
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  they have troubles with water condition.
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  Yeah, we don't know what the conditions were about them, so
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  we can build a replica sir. Go ahead, Brett Oprah.
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  It's going to be right back. The way I would just say when it
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  comes to stuff like that one. There's a lot, many smarter
• 56:45
  people than me that have atheist channels.
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  I don't like deepen into the science because I have no clue
• 56:51
  and, you know, again, you know anything is possible and you
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  know, it is true. But in my lifetime and what
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  seems to be in recorded history, other than the Bible, like we're
• 57:04
  just people living Our Lives doing our thing, you know.
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  Not, there's no fiery chariots, you know, like in the Bible and
• 57:14
  nobody can Parts he's anymore and, you know, like, it'd be
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  great. But like, when I asked, like,
• 57:19
  where's all the artifacts? You know, the Ten Commandments
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  Ark of the Covenant, the Spear of Destiny, the Holy Grail.
• 57:25
  Well, if you read Revelation, it's all up in heaven is like,
• 57:28
  come on, man, you know. Actually Honey, these ones of
• 57:34
  artifacts? Oh I'm sure.
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  They understand what I've been told before.
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  Yeah. I believe you.
• 57:44
  Isn't it? The Ark of Ethiopia?
• 57:48
  I don't know about the Ark of the Covenant but they have found
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  chariot wheels and horse bones and human bones at the bottom of
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  the Red Sea. They think they actually know
• 58:03
  the Red Sea Crossing. It's not obvious in the Gulf of
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  Aqaba rather than the Red Sea. Has two arms one on each side of
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  the Sinai Peninsula, and people were always looking on the left
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  arm on the West side of the Sinai Peninsula but it was
• 58:20
  actually found on the east side of the Sinai Peninsula between
• 58:24
  Sinai and Arabia. Which is actually scriptural
• 58:28
  because it says, no, it was good.
• 58:30
  I was going to say, as well, eventually fight Noah's Ark.
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  The trouble is defended by faster times.
• 58:37
  Can I come in on the Red Sea thing?
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  Sure. Um, if I'm not wrong, doesn't
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  it? Say like the wind will blow out
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  the East overnight and they kind of really crossed in the sea of
• 58:49
  reeds. So naturally the tide just could
• 58:52
  have come out and then come back in is that not possible?
• 58:56
  I don't believe so because it had to drown all of pharaohs
• 59:00
  soldiers and all of his Horsemen.
• 59:02
  Well, maybe they exaggerated the story.
• 59:05
  That's the key size of believe in the Bible.
• 59:08
  Well, well, they found the bones and the wheels in and that's one
• 59:16
  artifact. And if you go on my YouTube
• 59:19
  channel, I have I believe three different Witnesses maybe for
• 59:25
  who have actually Of that spot and have shared their testimony.
• 59:33
  I'll happily into. That's very interesting story.
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  I know I was floored and then the other one they've found is
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  Jericho, you know, where the walls fell out.
• 59:45
  Oh, I can, I love to talk about that real quick if you want.
• 59:52
  Sure. Okay, let me just say this real
• 59:55
  quick, I'm going to tell Brett again, one day, but I believe in
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  the military history of the Old Testament, the Israelites were a
• 1:00:04
  hoplite army, who did you know, the military battles happen,
• 1:00:09
  certain things like when they wandered in the desert, they
• 1:00:12
  said that they fall would smoke during the day and fire at night
• 1:00:16
  and like it was God, but actually, that's what armies did
• 1:00:19
  back then Jericho. I love that story and I Bring it
• 1:00:22
  up a lot because one it's an interesting spy story.
• 1:00:26
  You know, they bribe somebody to hang a cord so they can climb in
• 1:00:30
  and open the gate from the inside.
• 1:00:32
  Now I believe they did go around Jericho, you know, for three
• 1:00:38
  times a day for seven days. I think if I'm right or not and
• 1:00:42
  instead of literally the wall crumbling because of the arc,
• 1:00:47
  like they open the gate from the other side and the Bible.
• 1:00:52
  Literally says, you know, burn it all down quote, unquote kill
• 1:00:56
  every man woman, child and ass and I can't, that's enough.
• 1:01:02
  I really have a problem with that wine, by the way, like, why
• 1:01:05
  would a God say that? But I think the story happened
• 1:01:08
  just not miraculously. So I know they found it.
• 1:01:11
  I watched the documentary on it and I think it, you know, that
• 1:01:16
  shows that. Yeah, Joshua and all those
• 1:01:18
  people by the way, Deborah is my favorite character in the Bible.
• 1:01:22
  You know those people existed and then the New Testament is
• 1:01:25
  not the same thing as about Jesus and what you know.
• 1:01:28
  So I get that, you know, but militarily yeah they took the
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  city of IAI and you know Joshua moved in because he was at the
• 1:01:38
  Moses at a time down the line. So yeah, a lot of it is some way
• 1:01:43
  accurate but the more like I said, maybe I don't think they
• 1:01:46
  carried an ark, they blew the thing open, you know, I'm it
• 1:01:49
  makes more sense Rahab the prostitute.
• 1:01:52
  It was bought off, let them in, and they killed the guards at
• 1:01:56
  the gate, let him in and and went down, you know, like that.
• 1:02:01
  I do have a problem with the Exodus though, I don't see how
• 1:02:04
  you can make a three-week journey last 40 years.
• 1:02:08
  I don't see how that's possible. Well, they got Manna From
• 1:02:11
  Heaven, then they will get lost. It's a really narrow strip of
• 1:02:15
  land. I don't think or Moses took them
• 1:02:20
  on a route. They knew they couldn't be
• 1:02:21
  followed. As easily and it just took a
• 1:02:24
  long time because the Bible uses he's 40 all the time.
• 1:02:27
  I think 40 on time they were led by men.
• 1:02:35
  They got don't Mana from. That's true.
• 1:02:37
  They wouldn't ask for directions.
• 1:02:38
  Right. But that doesn't you know I
• 1:02:47
  think it was a shorter time and like I said they put 40 in front
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  of a lot, I think. To represent a long period of
• 1:02:54
  time and militarily. Moses took them on a route that
• 1:02:58
  would best escape and it probably seemed like a long time
• 1:03:02
  and is a joke. It's not my joke where they said
• 1:03:04
  and you have a large large group of Jewish people who might
• 1:03:08
  complain a lot. And I was like, Ah, that's
• 1:03:09
  funny. I am part you.
• 1:03:10
  So I think it's funny. Well, there's also no
• 1:03:20
  ideological evidence. I mean if they were going to
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  say, you know, the course rather how you know, - that little bit
• 1:03:27
  more archaeologists call evidence than the rest, you know
• 1:03:32
  that many people living in the desert for they would be bodies.
• 1:03:36
  Right? Barry all over the place.
• 1:03:38
  You know, a lot of stuff, just don't fire.
• 1:03:42
  I know my family fine. I'm sorry.
• 1:03:45
  Go ahead. On the other side of the Gulf of
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  Acaba which is part of the Red Sea, in the Arabia side they did
• 1:03:55
  find the 12 Stones that they made into a pillar.
• 1:04:01
  They found the etchings of cow which would be like the altar
• 1:04:08
  where they offered up the golden cow.
• 1:04:10
  They found Hebrew inscriptions in Arabia.
• 1:04:17
  They found a mountain at that the Arabians call the Mountain
• 1:04:23
  of God and it has black scorching on top of it from when
• 1:04:28
  the the Lord touched down. Maybe Or maybe a UFO exhaust.
• 1:04:38
  That's the theory. I don't believe in but I think
• 1:04:40
  it's valid to. But no, I saw they found the
• 1:04:43
  mountain and I saw on I think the History Channel like the
• 1:04:48
  place where the calf would have been.
• 1:04:50
  And I think that's fine to be accurate like like that makes
• 1:04:53
  sense. But like, if God could write
• 1:04:57
  something down, why did he use men to do everything else to
• 1:05:02
  write his story? One, like, if you could write
• 1:05:05
  with lightning fingers like ride all over the mountain.
• 1:05:08
  So everybody could go see it. And we wouldn't, we'd all be
• 1:05:10
  like, okay, let's talk to that guy.
• 1:05:13
  I'm sorry good. No, I know it's because he's got
• 1:05:16
  no hands in your spiritual being.
• 1:05:18
  No hands. Oh no, they say.
• 1:05:21
  Fingers God. I thought I didn't take it
• 1:05:22
  literally but you're right. Well yeah, I mean he did.
• 1:05:27
  It does say he wrote the first copy of the Ten Commandments
• 1:05:31
  with his own finger. I took it as Finger of God like
• 1:05:36
  literally it could have been like a beam that looked like a
• 1:05:38
  laser and they didn't know what that was and he described it
• 1:05:41
  like that baby. Yeah we'll see if it's a general
• 1:05:46
  and I think Moses got one of the tablets so we got mad and threw
• 1:05:51
  it. Well again, why?
• 1:05:55
  I would be great if we had even a corner of our tablet from that
• 1:05:59
  story to prove it, prove it happen.
• 1:06:02
  I hey, that's my thing. I wish there was some evidence
• 1:06:04
  but every time it's like there should be or it's the wrong
• 1:06:07
  thing, like the Noah's Ark thing like maybe but we as humans we
• 1:06:12
  can Only look at it through pictures if we can't even climb
• 1:06:15
  there right now. So maybe, but I won't, you find
• 1:06:19
  say the evening, we have the tablet.
• 1:06:21
  There's no way of proving. It was carved by God, you know
• 1:06:25
  me? Well.
• 1:06:26
  Okay. Say the story has it.
• 1:06:36
  Wild Heart. Do you believe in The Big Bang
• 1:06:38
  Theory as well as chubs? Yeah.
• 1:06:42
  Yeah, I think it's best. Yeah, best evidence will go best
• 1:06:47
  do. Yeah, that the back work.
• 1:06:51
  Whatever the back radiation, we can look at Ya bruise, that
• 1:06:55
  something like that happen but that's also a misnomer like like
• 1:06:59
  we they called it that by accident by somebody but we all
• 1:07:03
  know it's like whatever the word is where it goes inward first
• 1:07:06
  and then went back out but that's still the best guest by
• 1:07:10
  humans and Makes the most sense because again if if God could do
• 1:07:16
  that and everything, he says he did in the Bible, he could do
• 1:07:19
  anything else and like let us, you know, just anything I felt
• 1:07:24
  that wasn't able to be in that can literally do anything than
• 1:07:33
  you. Can you count disprove that you
• 1:07:37
  guys do you guys know what the definition of Supernatural is
• 1:07:41
  Hm. Riparian Zone above the natural
• 1:07:47
  for those out there that don't know that that may have not seen
• 1:07:50
  the definition of Supernatural for a while.
• 1:07:53
  The definition is something that precedes or transcends, the laws
• 1:07:58
  of nature something that basically exists Beyond nature.
• 1:08:02
  Now if you guys both believe in the big bang, you believe that
• 1:08:06
  at some point in time, there was a singularity, where nature
• 1:08:09
  matter time and space did not exist.
• 1:08:12
  And then those Things came into existence in creating the
• 1:08:15
  natural laws without nature. There is no laws.
• 1:08:19
  Therefore, the Big Bang is a supernatural explanation for the
• 1:08:24
  universe. No less.
• 1:08:26
  So because we don't know what happened before.
• 1:08:30
  My thinking, is that the moment that like, energies always
• 1:08:33
  existed? It just changed from scientist
• 1:08:37
  on said, that there was nothing before the Big Bang, we just
• 1:08:40
  don't know what was, you know? Well, whatever that whatever was
• 1:08:45
  out there, according to Lawrence Krauss who's an atheist and
• 1:08:48
  Stephen Hawking, they believe that it all started from some
• 1:08:51
  little pinpoint of energy but the problem is is that there was
• 1:08:57
  no space, no time, no names, no laws of nature.
• 1:09:05
  So therefore it had to be Supernatural, is what you're
• 1:09:07
  saying? That's, that's a very kind of
• 1:09:10
  Supernatural, that's fine. But by the Again just because
• 1:09:14
  those two guys said it means nothing.
• 1:09:16
  That's just their opinion and in the end know, in the end I'll
• 1:09:21
  always go back to, you know, what?
• 1:09:23
  In the real world does that even matter, like, if there was a big
• 1:09:28
  bang or God sneeze this out, it really doesn't matter at this
• 1:09:31
  point truly right. Like, well, the the issue is
• 1:09:35
  that the singularity and the beginning describes, the very
• 1:09:40
  attributes of God. The scientists are Stating that
• 1:09:43
  this Prime Mover The Singularity was Timeless.
• 1:09:47
  There was no time so it always existed.
• 1:09:50
  It was not born could not die. It was powerful enough to create
• 1:09:54
  life itself in the universe, everything that the scientists
• 1:09:57
  described is a very attributes that are described as God in the
• 1:10:01
  Bible gentlemen. Well, he still got to show the
• 1:10:05
  cause I don't think you're gonna describe a single eye, which is
• 1:10:08
  omni-benevolent on the knees. Scientist go with up.
• 1:10:15
  So it doesn't have all the all the aspects of gone to be no.
• 1:10:18
  I mean maybe it's a little bird. You know, one of the guys that
• 1:10:23
  actually was involved in. Proving the theory of the Big
• 1:10:26
  Bang was Albert Einstein. Right?
• 1:10:29
  Here's what he had to say about all that.
• 1:10:32
  You want to do you mind reading that if you don't mind?
• 1:10:37
  Yeah. Okay.
• 1:10:40
  The more I study science. The more, I believe in God.
• 1:10:43
  How about Einstein Wine Guy among a trillion?
• 1:10:46
  People, what's that? Really make.
• 1:10:48
  No never mind that. He said that.
• 1:10:50
  Absolutely. I really do like spin all this
• 1:10:53
  God, not like a personal God. Like in Christian answer it was
• 1:10:57
  like a he basically called the universe God.
• 1:11:00
  I think it was kind of pantheous or something.
• 1:11:04
  All right, so I mean he still believed that there was some
• 1:11:07
  kind of higher power, Charles Darwin and The Descent of Man
• 1:11:11
  said that Evolution could not work nor natural selection.
• 1:11:15
  Unless there was an intelligent mind that made it work, he
• 1:11:19
  didn't believe it was possible without some kind of sentient
• 1:11:22
  mind. Yep, it could be wrong.
• 1:11:26
  Hey, no, he's just a guy that time before that, I went to be
• 1:11:30
  an atheist because every time you go to realize that you pick
• 1:11:35
  them, Lawrence Krauss who's made this Stephen Hawking, he's an
• 1:11:38
  atheist. Yes, Darwin was a theist.
• 1:11:40
  But you've done all these great scientist under the bus?
• 1:11:45
  No, no. They did their job in life.
• 1:11:48
  They did their job in life and shown how super smart they are.
• 1:11:51
  But that's still All person with our opinion.
• 1:11:56
  Nobody has proved that disprove God.
• 1:11:58
  So you can bring up anybody. You like, you can bring up
• 1:12:01
  anybody. You like they still only a
• 1:12:03
  given, their best opinion on the summit.
• 1:12:07
  All right, let me ask you guys a hypothetical if you don't mind,
• 1:12:10
  is that cool? All you can ask me anything,
• 1:12:12
  man. All right, so let's say that
• 1:12:15
  tomorrow, you wake up in a dark room and you're presented two
• 1:12:20
  doors. One door says Universe, without
• 1:12:23
  God, the other door says Universe with Jesus Christ,
• 1:12:28
  running the universe. Now, you have the choice to go
• 1:12:31
  through either one, but the moment you step through the
• 1:12:35
  catches that becomes your Universe permanently, that's the
• 1:12:39
  universe. You're going to die in.
• 1:12:41
  If you had a choice and you knew without a doubt that you had
• 1:12:44
  full evidence, that, if you went to the universe with God, that
• 1:12:48
  would actually be the case. No more faith.
• 1:12:50
  You knew, what would you choose? I would go with a universe
• 1:12:57
  without God because I don't want to live forever.
• 1:13:01
  It's NSA is terrifying. I don't want to live forever
• 1:13:05
  with my brain. That will be your belly.
• 1:13:07
  Do that end up in heaven? Yeah.
• 1:13:11
  Yeah. And she's loved that go for
• 1:13:14
  about two jobs. I would pick the door with a
• 1:13:17
  god. I'd like it to be something like
• 1:13:20
  maybe before Pantheon because it's all the same, right?
• 1:13:24
  Like There's 4,000 religions while he has to be Jesus.
• 1:13:28
  Like, how do you know it's not another God.
• 1:13:31
  Well I'm not a pagan or I would have said no.
• 1:13:34
  I'm just asking you personally though like in your mind how do
• 1:13:38
  you say like okay how is there not Apollo and Zeus and Thor and
• 1:13:44
  Gaia and anything else? Why do you think that it's the
• 1:13:48
  religion, you chose. Because I believe that God
• 1:13:52
  whenever he put forth Mankind and knew and had an intuition
• 1:13:58
  that religion was going to be what carried his gospel.
• 1:14:01
  I believe that he chose the highest one in the ranks, in
• 1:14:04
  order to be able to have optimal impact on Mankind.
• 1:14:10
  And for the last 2,000 years, Christianity has been the most
• 1:14:14
  dominant religion of all times, is where paganism is dying?
• 1:14:19
  Why would a guy Pick a religion. That is dead.
• 1:14:22
  Well, you got to be fair, though, a lot of the reason
• 1:14:27
  Christianity is what it is is, oh, like when it first started
• 1:14:31
  and for a long time it was forced, you know, the the, when
• 1:14:36
  Chris Katka solecism was like fi sword, a lot of the time and now
• 1:14:42
  it's not that way, but that's how it became big.
• 1:14:44
  So, let's be fair, right? Yeah.
• 1:14:46
  So that's the first of all, one big ears.
• 1:14:48
  It wasn't in no way. Way big religion.
• 1:14:51
  Now, it was until a woman's kind of picked it up.
• 1:14:54
  Yeah. But wouldn't you say that if you
• 1:14:56
  were to hypothetically, presuppose that there's a God,
• 1:15:00
  who truly wants mankind to know about it, once all the world to
• 1:15:05
  know what you suspect, that's not a joke.
• 1:15:09
  So it wasn't that God makes sure that everybody knows about it.
• 1:15:14
  There's not an atheist. I can I've ever heard of has
• 1:15:18
  ever walked down the road and never About Christianity, but if
• 1:15:22
  I were to bring up something like some, you know, mystical
• 1:15:25
  Pagan religion, that's dead, what's that?
• 1:15:30
  Not these days. It was no powerful God and he
• 1:15:33
  wanted everyone on the planet to know that you existed.
• 1:15:35
  We would know that he existed because he's all-powerful
• 1:15:40
  exactly roof. If I would feel if there was an
• 1:15:44
  all-powerful being, why would he do it the way that you're
• 1:15:48
  saying? He did it like, Like he did, If
• 1:15:52
  He sent Jesus and all that that happened at one specific time in
• 1:15:56
  the history of man, and every civilization has made up their
• 1:16:00
  own Gods. Some went out in some lose,
• 1:16:03
  again, I think religion itself has the right idea but if you're
• 1:16:08
  going to tell me, you have the answer to what's going to happen
• 1:16:11
  when I die and it could be bad. You got to do more than.
• 1:16:15
  Well look. All these people wrote it in
• 1:16:17
  this book. Yeah.
• 1:16:19
  The Bible could be a Absolutely true.
• 1:16:21
  But in my lifetime, I haven't seen anything that shows that a
• 1:16:24
  god of any kind exist. Even if he did see something
• 1:16:29
  Supernatural, that's fine. But there's no.
• 1:16:34
  Like when y'all say atheist, won't listen to the evidence,
• 1:16:38
  what? Yeah, somebody made the Earth,
• 1:16:41
  and where I'm sitting and all this.
• 1:16:43
  That's fine, but nobody can show the car.
• 1:16:46
  Show me the cause she'll be that it's show me.
• 1:16:50
  It is Jesus and Yahweh show me. That's it's not, you know,
• 1:16:54
  Mormonism, it's not any other of the 4,000 religions, show me how
• 1:16:59
  it is Jesus, other than people said it it Absolute right to be
• 1:17:04
  mean honestly I'm pretty sure that wasn't gonna so what do you
• 1:17:16
  guys leave? Go ahead there, Cindy.
• 1:17:21
  Say it again, wildheart. Yeah, it would.
• 1:17:25
  Is it the accretion disk or something from, when the sun was
• 1:17:28
  formed outside, the planets formed due to gravity and, you
• 1:17:31
  know, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think it's called an
• 1:17:37
  accretion disk, I'm not an expert to be honest.
• 1:17:44
  I think it's called an accretion this.
• 1:17:46
  Although I could be wrong about that.
• 1:17:47
  Basically when the sun Farms, you get the You know, the disk
• 1:17:52
  around that, keep spinning mangled and John's together and
• 1:17:55
  come due to gravity. Yes.
• 1:17:56
  But what are you saying that? That was I'm sorry.
• 1:18:02
  What is your point? I'm saying that God almost
• 1:18:06
  certainly didn't create the Earth like physically, you know?
• 1:18:10
  I mean, We know the physics behind making planets.
• 1:18:15
  Yeah, we know that works. That was it?
• 1:18:20
  Okay, so you're saying that the earth and the planets were made
• 1:18:24
  from a disc. Yeah, just just about basically
• 1:18:31
  you just my gravity gravity you know the bitch.
• 1:18:34
  Oh I'm sorry too many curse. So you believe this some rocks
• 1:18:42
  and space they just kind of collided with each other and
• 1:18:46
  made this damn near perfect sphere shaped Planet.
• 1:18:51
  No. That's the physics along Sunday.
• 1:18:53
  I can explain it full very well told, but I know that's.
• 1:18:59
  Yeah, you do. If you do that, it will lead to
• 1:19:02
  Rome things. It happens a lot when you say
• 1:19:06
  that now, with technology and the pictures, we see, Space.
• 1:19:10
  Like there's also much going on we see like we can put together
• 1:19:15
  that that's what happened with the planet.
• 1:19:19
  Can I share something that I had in the science center?
• 1:19:22
  So if everything came from a big bang or an expansion basically,
• 1:19:30
  a rock exploding and everything would be going out from a
• 1:19:35
  central place and it would be going out like shrapnel, you
• 1:19:40
  know, basically straight. and that's not what we see the
• 1:19:46
  planets doing there in orbits, some of which are
• 1:19:50
  counterclockwise, some of which are clockwise and if something
• 1:19:57
  explodes like shrapnel, it's going to be all the same,
• 1:20:01
  whatever. The the base was, everything
• 1:20:06
  would be The same stuff. But all the planets are
• 1:20:13
  different stuff. They're like unique creations.
• 1:20:21
  Did it is you're asking Google and that's what I was trying to
• 1:20:24
  explain. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:27
  But I don't know how that would form into the universe.
• 1:20:34
  No, no, the universe just a solar system, the planets.
• 1:20:39
  Just our solar system in our planet.
• 1:20:41
  Well, Ivory solar system is pretty much the same.
• 1:20:45
  I'll go call Farm somewhere. All again, turning to adamant.
• 1:20:56
  No, no, just with the politics. It is just one big rock,
• 1:21:02
  basically. All right, so that's wild are
• 1:21:06
  inanimate, rocks, don't have life?
• 1:21:08
  Yeah, Rocks. Don't Ya.
• 1:21:18
  Let me bring you over in the screen over here real quick,
• 1:21:22
  they're making me think of that song from My Generation.
• 1:21:27
  We are Stardust. We are golden.
• 1:21:30
  We are caught in. The, what is that?
• 1:21:32
  That's a cut. So, do you, do you believe that
• 1:21:38
  we came from some self-replicating cell?
• 1:21:43
  Yeah, I think there was was our and a before DNA, the must have
• 1:21:47
  been something wrong before. Yeah, we believe that the cells
• 1:21:51
  when they're called self-replicating.
• 1:21:54
  This is simply defined as it continues to make copies of
• 1:21:57
  itself, right? Yes.
• 1:22:00
  At what time at what point in time and at what point in time
• 1:22:05
  and evolution do the copies break off and one starts
• 1:22:09
  manifesting reproductive organs. Such as one has a vagina.
• 1:22:15
  The other has a penis. When do females males come in on
• 1:22:18
  this again, believe it. And I'm not on this, but, but I
• 1:22:23
  think I think there was a sound. Were there?
• 1:22:25
  Was what's it called? Parthenogenesis is it where you
• 1:22:32
  don't have sex too kind of reproduce and then it turns into
• 1:22:39
  about again, I don't know, I say that I were to let's say that.
• 1:22:44
  We just throw that out the window and get right into a
• 1:22:47
  different transition here, where we say.
• 1:22:49
  All right. We're fine somehow.
• 1:22:51
  Something got a penis. Something got a vagina.
• 1:22:55
  When did the sex drive? Come into existence, though?
• 1:23:00
  In order for the creatures to become attracted to one another,
• 1:23:03
  if you don't have that, then it's a well, that was up.
• 1:23:08
  Can I come in real quick? Yeah, go ahead.
• 1:23:11
  Okay, on that note, I think about like the literally, like
• 1:23:16
  million different ways, things reproduce on this planet.
• 1:23:20
  Some lay eggs on the ground like fish and the mail comes later.
• 1:23:25
  So you don't need a sex drive, you don't need that.
• 1:23:28
  In certain situations like not everything has a penis in her
• 1:23:31
  vagina so we have that but that doesn't mean everything.
• 1:23:35
  Obviously doesn't have that, but some do like I think you're
• 1:23:41
  thinking too small and scale when you say that.
• 1:23:43
  So that that's what if we said that there's some kind of fish
• 1:23:47
  somehow managed to make its way up, lamb do eggs at some point
• 1:23:51
  in time, we have to agree that in this Evolution process if
• 1:23:55
  we're going along with our tree or are Lemme adds some point x,
• 1:24:00
  somebody's got to grow the penis and the vagina in order for us
• 1:24:04
  to have the humidity, right? So we're just one is one example
• 1:24:11
  that. Let me just let me just
• 1:24:13
  interject here if I might because even if some cells don't
• 1:24:19
  require that because they can do mitosis or whatever.
• 1:24:25
  The fact that each of those organs that Brett keeps
• 1:24:28
  referring to that. I'm not going to stay.
• 1:24:33
  Those are complete systems. They're finished systems.
• 1:24:40
  They are ready to go. They're not experimental.
• 1:24:46
  Yeah, I know what you mean had to be one the transition from
• 1:24:48
  one to another. Well, they had to be
• 1:24:51
  pre-designed. and there's no way something with a half evolved
• 1:25:01
  organ is going to Reproduce it. Had to be perfect from the
• 1:25:09
  get-go. Hold on somebody backstage.
• 1:25:14
  I got to make sure they're not crazy.
• 1:25:16
  Hold on a second. Let me put that up.
• 1:25:21
  It's me, is that the very good? Very good.
• 1:25:29
  All right, go ahead, guys. We were talking about peckers
• 1:25:36
  and vaginas no in a little box block to you know, like oh no.
• 1:25:52
  You're absolutely right. You know, growing an extra
• 1:26:08
  appendage or born with bone cancer.
• 1:26:12
  You name it to me that shows that it's Evolution.
• 1:26:15
  Like that's the example survival.
• 1:26:18
  No matter if it's a perfect system or not, things are go
• 1:26:21
  things go wrong. You know.
• 1:26:23
  And like that you for me. That's the max.
• 1:26:27
  Yeah. Chubbs do you think the penis
• 1:26:29
  was an accident? Wait things that go wrong is
• 1:26:35
  going downhill. Those are mutations.
• 1:26:38
  They're not right? I love sending the child is
• 1:26:44
  nothing like the us. We know that DNA copying itself
• 1:26:48
  isn't a perfect process so we're not we know why it happened.
• 1:26:51
  We don't need a God to Donut. You know how much it's going
• 1:26:58
  downhill? It's a copy.
• 1:27:00
  I was just I was just saying things go wrong.
• 1:27:03
  That's an example of evolution trying Yeah, but we're talking
• 1:27:07
  about penises and vaginas. Are you saying that the penis
• 1:27:10
  was an accident because my know pretty useful the progress
• 1:27:25
  and things go wrong where like people born with a problem or
• 1:27:31
  something different and they don't make it and there's
• 1:27:34
  healthy people and people born Very very sick to me that's
• 1:27:37
  Evolution showing like we there's survival of the fittest
• 1:27:41
  we're in a mass population and there's going to be problems and
• 1:27:45
  is people are going to come out fine to me, that just shows,
• 1:27:49
  like things are still going the way life should go.
• 1:27:52
  Like we're reproducing. Things could go wrong.
• 1:27:55
  Well, you think's miraculous? I never again I'll never see
• 1:27:58
  you're wrong, but why kill is? It wasn't saying that tubs.
• 1:28:03
  Let's say that there. You might have a point here.
• 1:28:05
  Let's say that. There was some kind of strange
• 1:28:07
  mutation and something just happened to have that a penis,
• 1:28:11
  because you're bringing up deformities and all this
• 1:28:13
  interesting stuff. So are you saying that the?
• 1:28:17
  Hold on, hold on, possibly, possibly.
• 1:28:21
  But let's say that. He's right, let's say that the
• 1:28:23
  penis was some kind of weird. Accidental, mutation crazy shit,
• 1:28:28
  right? No.
• 1:28:29
  But it just so happened that somehow a female comes along and
• 1:28:33
  has her deformed vagina that. Well, with the deformed penis,
• 1:28:38
  have a many ways see also need to form.
• 1:28:42
  But I would say that from Aphrodite for a real thing, and
• 1:28:46
  that's scientifically a thing that's both.
• 1:28:49
  So why you keep calling it? An accident, you're a little,
• 1:28:53
  you're a little too hyped about that that p-word there, buddy.
• 1:28:56
  Like, like I'm just saying, the humans that we are, yes, we
• 1:29:01
  produce that way, and as it comes to terms, whether you're
• 1:29:05
  into, Like Warren or not. You know that everybody's born
• 1:29:08
  different in a different way. So we all have with that p word,
• 1:29:12
  you're saying, but like, that's how we reproduce and everybody's
• 1:29:16
  different, like you would see in a population of people where
• 1:29:20
  evolution is giving you a variety of like, this is, you
• 1:29:22
  know, like you get red-headed people and so on and so forth
• 1:29:25
  because they're going that different branches.
• 1:29:28
  That's just my opinion. Alright, fair enough, wild
• 1:29:31
  heart. If you don't mind me asking,
• 1:29:33
  don't you find a guys, just just real quick, real quick.
• 1:29:36
  Wild heart. Don't you find it strange.
• 1:29:38
  So, even if we let this man, have this, deformed penis, and
• 1:29:41
  deformed the vagina, how the hell did it stay compatible
• 1:29:44
  through? All these specie changes all the
• 1:29:46
  way up to humanity though. I mean, at some point in time,
• 1:29:50
  we were squirrels we receive worms and all kinds of cool
• 1:29:53
  shit. How did we manage to keep it
• 1:29:56
  going for this long? That's a long.
• 1:29:58
  Damn time to make the the Unicorn payments work.
• 1:30:02
  I can just make a joke about the penis the best way.
• 1:30:06
  I've known that you can call it perfect.
• 1:30:07
  I mean, seen it. It's like the last chicken in
• 1:30:09
  the shop. It's not perfect with the heck.
• 1:30:12
  Did what to who the penis it looks like.
• 1:30:17
  Have you ever heard this in the shop?
• 1:30:20
  Never heard about it. Ticking in the penis thing.
• 1:30:22
  Tell us about it. I'm glad you guys are having
• 1:30:28
  fun. I'm trying to break the ice.
• 1:30:29
  So it's Adam. What do you think about chickens
• 1:30:31
  and penises with your thoughts? Chickens have cloaca is.
• 1:30:39
  Don't they? What the hell is the cloaca?
• 1:30:44
  It's like one whole that does everything a whole but dozen
• 1:30:48
  walls and you look great. As why didn't I get one of
• 1:30:51
  those? Maybe you did.
• 1:30:54
  Who knows how do we know you didn't?
• 1:30:57
  No, I can assure you. There ain't no one hold their
• 1:31:00
  own at all. Well, like alligators and birds
• 1:31:04
  and stuff. They have.
• 1:31:06
  I'm pretty sure they use it for sexual intercourse that use it
• 1:31:09
  to go to the bathroom. They just like one kind of
• 1:31:12
  catch-all orifice. Definitely reptiles.
• 1:31:18
  Yeah I'm not sure about chicken but this isn't really relevant.
• 1:31:24
  So there's no way you can tell me that having red hair, blue
• 1:31:29
  eyes, brown eyes an extra arm, that was a genetic mutation.
• 1:31:36
  That, that type of process is how reproductive organs came to
• 1:31:41
  be. No, nobody said that I would, I
• 1:31:45
  would say for anybody, in bread, if I'm not wrong.
• 1:31:49
  You like Comics X-Men, actually nailed it in one of their
• 1:31:52
  movies. Where if you there are people
• 1:31:54
  with one blue eye and one green eye, that is literally a
• 1:31:57
  mutation has nothing to do with reproduction.
• 1:32:00
  I'm saying so much reproduction over the giant population of
• 1:32:05
  people with also Brent, wouldn't answer your question like things
• 1:32:08
  made it, because there's so many things and so many people so
• 1:32:12
  many insects, like, the ones winning of the ones with so many
• 1:32:16
  people trying, and when you, when you mix it up, you get, you
• 1:32:20
  could get a red haired person with blue eyes, but it's not
• 1:32:24
  because of, you know, even if God started it again, like we
• 1:32:27
  see that we're doing that. Like we're watching life evolved
• 1:32:31
  in front of us. They say Evolution a lot of
• 1:32:34
  times in there thinking like when when did the the lizard
• 1:32:37
  come out the water and blah, blah blah.
• 1:32:39
  That doesn't matter either because we need to worry about
• 1:32:42
  the here and now because even the Bible Jesus, if he came down
• 1:32:46
  he could have said, a lot of things.
• 1:32:48
  He was talking more about how to get into heaven, when why not
• 1:32:52
  tell us more about how to live without dying so easily, because
• 1:32:56
  we're fragile people, that's just, I'm sorry to go on a rant
• 1:33:00
  again. Sorry, No, it's all good, man.
• 1:33:04
  I don't know. I just find it fascinating that
• 1:33:08
  besides and I'll try to quit. I'll just say reproductive
• 1:33:12
  organs that they stayed compatible through all these
• 1:33:15
  different species changes up in the humanity.
• 1:33:19
  I find that extraordinary, I was just curious what you guys
• 1:33:22
  stare. He is Harnett it is
• 1:33:24
  extraordinary but I think you gotta back their time into it
• 1:33:28
  like we think of time, so short, but By even a thousand years is
• 1:33:33
  a lot. And again, when you have a lot
• 1:33:35
  of time and a lot of examples and a lot of species trying like
• 1:33:41
  I think that's how you get through it.
• 1:33:43
  But that's just my opinion, of course.
• 1:33:45
  So yeah, I would say because one Lifetime and that's be, she will
• 1:33:53
  die out unless it's perfectly able to reproduce already know
• 1:33:58
  if there's no problem, right? Like we see things going extinct
• 1:34:04
  in our lifetime, in Our Generations, in this day and
• 1:34:07
  age. Like what we're not, we're no
• 1:34:10
  different. Well, Extinction is different
• 1:34:13
  than creating a new organ. Its Extinction is I would say
• 1:34:19
  well, one supposes isn't working.
• 1:34:21
  You can understand why it will stay alone, then.
• 1:34:24
  I think what more puzzling is like the transition between, you
• 1:34:27
  know, from one to the other thing.
• 1:34:29
  Once it starts working, it's fairly straightforward why, you
• 1:34:33
  know, continues to work. I'm so sorry.
• 1:34:36
  Honey. I cannot understand you.
• 1:34:37
  Can you unlock? I apologize.
• 1:34:44
  Adam. What are we looking at here?
• 1:34:46
  So looks like something to do with the big bang.
• 1:34:48
  We were just talking about creatures banging just a little
• 1:34:51
  while ago, what's this all about?
• 1:34:54
  Yeah, I heard the mention this earlier about the cosmic
• 1:34:58
  microwave background radiation on the left.
• 1:35:01
  You have predictions of the background temperature without a
• 1:35:05
  Big Bang Theory. There's only about three figures
• 1:35:06
  or there's a there's a whole bunch more that are very
• 1:35:09
  accurate on the right. You have some of the
• 1:35:12
  temperatures predicted by The Big Bang Theory going up to 50
• 1:35:15
  degrees the actual measure figures 2.7 So when people point
• 1:35:21
  to the cosmic microwave background radiation
• 1:35:25
  temperatures, as evidence of the Big Bang, they just have no idea
• 1:35:29
  what they're talking about. And haven't actually looked at
• 1:35:31
  the papers haven't looked at what the actual numbers were and
• 1:35:34
  what these scientists were claiming that they expected the
• 1:35:38
  temperatures to be much higher than what was predicted and
• 1:35:41
  observed. Actually, that makes sense
• 1:35:45
  because an explosion is usually hot, right?
• 1:35:49
  Is there any example of an explosion being cool?
• 1:35:54
  Well that's exactly what the big bang theorists point was was
• 1:35:57
  that you can you can do a simple calculation to figure out what
• 1:36:01
  the ambient temperature of the universe would be.
• 1:36:03
  If just it's just star light bouncing around in equilibrium.
• 1:36:07
  And that's what the big bang background temperature is,
• 1:36:10
  that's what the CMB is. What they had predicted is
• 1:36:13
  because of, yeah, because of the explosion, there should be an
• 1:36:15
  additional temperature, that's at least twice that or up till
• 1:36:20
  like, Tens of thousands of times as much energy and there were
• 1:36:25
  completely wrong. Interesting.
• 1:36:30
  They're saying it wasn't an explosion.
• 1:36:32
  It was an expansion. Is that an explanation?
• 1:36:37
  Well, they have to change it to that later because they figured
• 1:36:39
  out that if it was just the Doppler effect and it was
• 1:36:42
  actually move, literally moving. It would exceed the speed of
• 1:36:45
  light so quickly and so much that they had to change it to
• 1:36:49
  its space itself and time. That's expanding to get out of
• 1:36:53
  that because otherwise, you have mad or moving way faster than
• 1:36:57
  the speed of light. Please note that the trying to
• 1:37:00
  get ice about then prediction and it was wrong.
• 1:37:02
  That's fine. That's fine.
• 1:37:04
  In science. If you, when you learn new
• 1:37:05
  facts, you you change your change your ideas.
• 1:37:09
  You make it sound like it's a bad thing.
• 1:37:11
  It's a prediction was the prediction, falsified the model
• 1:37:15
  though? Yes, or the chains of model.
• 1:37:18
  What would have been dishonest if then kept it the same and
• 1:37:21
  British didn't change the model know what this is, the thing is
• 1:37:26
  they want to start today. The Big Bang Theory, right?
• 1:37:29
  That's the prevailing model. That's the standard model.
• 1:37:31
  Yeah. But big fun.
• 1:37:32
  Say we must have changed the found out that the figures
• 1:37:35
  weren't accurate. Sure.
• 1:37:38
  But yeah, they've changed it quite a bit.
• 1:37:39
  So which baguette which bank do you believe it?
• 1:37:43
  Well, basically. What you're going like.
• 1:37:45
  Yeah. No.
• 1:37:45
  No. The one before they found out
• 1:37:48
  they were wrong the wrong. Yeah.
• 1:37:50
  As I just, oh sounds works. You know.
• 1:37:52
  And it's a one hour after they found out.
• 1:37:54
  They were wrong. Okay?
• 1:37:55
  Yeah, no wonder. He doesn't sound like a very
• 1:37:58
  good thing. I'll do predicting things before
• 1:38:00
  the done the experiments, where they did the experiments.
• 1:38:02
  If I know they're wrong, no barely knew before they made a
• 1:38:06
  mitt and I'm there. So why would we made predictions
• 1:38:10
  intentionally wrung its it was the Big Bang but now it's a
• 1:38:17
  different Big Bang. It's the right big bang now
• 1:38:21
  Yeah, it's the one that they found out after they knew they
• 1:38:23
  were wrong. Yeah, that's hilarious.
• 1:38:27
  I thought what you were saying is that there's no big bang?
• 1:38:32
  That it's not feasible for there to be a big bang because there's
• 1:38:35
  not enough heat. Not to mention, there's not
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  directionality. There's not a homogeneous
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  materials, there's not exactly yeah that is what I'm saying.
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  So are you saying the was no big bang.
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  They just got it wrong. That's not possible.
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  Like the big bang has been falsified.
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  The CMB temperatures. Falsified The Big Bang Theory
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  it, proved it wrong yet. No, I falsified that Big Bang
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  Theory. That's why the genders like 40
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  different temperature predictions.
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  Which one do you believe in the one that they go with night?
• 1:39:13
  That's how science works. You get more evidence and then
• 1:39:16
  you change your your hypothesis, are you through it fit the
• 1:39:19
  evidence of what actually read, what the prediction of The Big
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  Bang Theory. This was that there was more
• 1:39:25
  that there was an additional temperature.
• 1:39:27
  So they found that there wasn't an additional temperature.
• 1:39:29
  It was what was already known prior to that for those who
• 1:39:32
  believed in an eternal universe or static steady state.
• 1:39:36
  So they found that there wasn't an additional temperature which
• 1:39:39
  proved the big In theory wrong. So how do you like Bang Theory
• 1:39:44
  with the same background temperature wise?
• 1:39:46
  You will also notice how many most cosmologists now still
• 1:39:50
  believe in the big bucks. That's an argument from
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  Authority, though. Most Bible scholars.
• 1:40:01
  Believe that a God exists, right?
• 1:40:04
  Yeah. That is quite different sounds
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  to me. So you guys who have faith based
• 1:40:10
  police? No, no, because like that we
• 1:40:14
  decided to come along and then they changed the moment.
• 1:40:16
  So I know the actual facts. We're still waiting for that to
• 1:40:20
  happen. The Bible.
• 1:40:23
  Well, the scientists may have discovered that the Big Bang
• 1:40:27
  wouldn't work. However that doesn't mean
• 1:40:29
  they've figured out what will work.
• 1:40:33
  Mostly stay still a big burning wood.
• 1:40:35
  Just want to bite the fakest they won by how it worked
• 1:40:38
  because they haven't done the experiments.
• 1:40:40
  Once we got that information from the experiments.
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  We find out yet. We were wrong.
• 1:40:43
  That's fine. No problem.
• 1:40:45
  I got a, I got a weird question for you.
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  Wild Hunt every time. There's an explosion of
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  Inanimate material. The, The Fallout is inanimate.
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  There. It's still you know Genesis to
• 1:41:04
  do a lot of thoughts that's a lot billions he's less.
• 1:41:07
  Oh yeah it's not we don't have to explain life from the You
• 1:41:13
  know, I mean, there's only three elements that was hydrogen
• 1:41:16
  helium and a little bit of lithium.
• 1:41:19
  That's all there was. So you don't going to get life
• 1:41:21
  and well heart have you actually looked into the helium abundance
• 1:41:24
  predictions and the chemical like nucleosynthesis predictions
• 1:41:28
  of the early, Big Bang Theory compared to what they actually
• 1:41:30
  measured because the same thing is these temperatures they made
• 1:41:35
  predictions of what they thought hydrogen was supposed to be what
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  hellions as well and they were right about him.
• 1:41:42
  Remember everything else was wrong.
• 1:41:44
  That's why I'm oh, it's not find out because you're using those
• 1:41:48
  as examples of why you believe in the theory.
• 1:41:50
  You've cited the CMB and now the helium abundance as examples of
• 1:41:55
  why You Believe In The Big Bang Theory, but those are things
• 1:41:58
  that they were the chemical hospital.
• 1:42:00
  I believe was wrong about, that's that's not why I believe
• 1:42:04
  it, but because the scientists have said, so it's because we've
• 1:42:07
  done the experiments. We know for a fact that's how it
• 1:42:11
  works. No, no, we don't do not know
• 1:42:16
  about the current nucleosynthesis theory.
• 1:42:19
  That is taught in schools and in textbooks and stuff.
• 1:42:22
  Is largely based on Fred Hoyle and his associates work.
• 1:42:26
  That was a non Big Bang. Theory is a steady state Theory
• 1:42:29
  and they figured out how nucleosynthesis Works without a
• 1:42:32
  big bang. And the Big Bang Theory is
• 1:42:34
  borrowed it and stuck it into the Big Bang Theory.
• 1:42:37
  It was its Japanese The science is taught is Big Bang science.
• 1:42:43
  I've never had this before like say like 99% of cosmologists,
• 1:42:47
  still believe in the big bands or not, what have you read?
• 1:42:49
  Why don't you tell them, why have you read?
• 1:42:53
  I've not read anything. I'm not that bright.
• 1:42:56
  But have you read a book about the history of science that has
• 1:43:00
  to do with this topic? You would find out that those
• 1:43:03
  that's what happened. And, you know, think the
• 1:43:05
  cosmologists who do not, why did they not know about this?
• 1:43:10
  What? They do know that there's a lot
• 1:43:11
  of problems, that's why they have to invent things.
• 1:43:13
  Like dark matter Dark Energy, inflation Fields inflict on
• 1:43:17
  particles curve at on particles second set of curve.
• 1:43:21
  At unparticles a second set of in flattened particles, a second
• 1:43:24
  type of inflation field. A third type of curvature and
• 1:43:26
  field every few years. They have to invent a new
• 1:43:29
  magical thing that can't exist in the current models of well
• 1:43:34
  they do that before my 60. There's more energy are more.
• 1:43:40
  Something in the universe, they know that, I don't know, the try
• 1:43:43
  to look like and get the Nori known as if they invent 99
• 1:43:46
  percent of the universe, is this impossible, energy and matter.
• 1:43:51
  Will you take me? It's impossible.
• 1:43:53
  It's clearly, not impossible, because that's the way it is.
• 1:43:56
  I mean, you know what I say impossible?
• 1:43:59
  I mean, according to the current theories of physics.
• 1:44:04
  Inflation, Dark Energy. Dark matter is literally
• 1:44:07
  impossible with the existing physical something.
• 1:44:10
  That's why it's called that Kenji lamb at school.
• 1:44:12
  Who don't know what it is? Yeah.
• 1:44:14
  Well, it's completely fictional. It was made up to try to salvage
• 1:44:17
  the theory. Well something's causing the
• 1:44:20
  master do what it's doing a father trying to find out that I
• 1:44:24
  don't think the claiming to know that's why I was trying to work
• 1:44:27
  out. Well we're just trying to say
• 1:44:30
  that the god shouldn't be off the table if you're trying to
• 1:44:35
  figure out what makes maths do, what it does, we're saying that
• 1:44:39
  there's a possibility that God is the reason why, but if it is,
• 1:44:45
  then you will have to find some work done for us in them.
• 1:44:48
  You can't just play. It someone will Bible in us, you
• 1:44:51
  know? Yeah.
• 1:44:53
  But you're you're trying to demonstrate as well and you're
• 1:44:59
  also unable to demonstrate that your theory would be the thing
• 1:45:05
  that causes matter to move the way it does today.
• 1:45:09
  Yeah but see. Physicist and cosmologist that
• 1:45:12
  do they do the masks? What's your record equivalent to
• 1:45:16
  that? Just saying God?
• 1:45:18
  Could have done it for. I mean but you know, Buster was
• 1:45:24
  just a good guy and walk around looking like, you know, so you
• 1:45:27
  working alone alone, settlement, We're just to clarify real
• 1:45:34
  quick. And by the way hi Cindy, nice to
• 1:45:36
  meet you. I am not a so city is arguing
• 1:45:41
  for theism. I'm an atheist.
• 1:45:43
  I don't, I don't believe in a God, but I don't think that the
• 1:45:47
  Big Bang Theory is accurate. I think that there's an eternal
• 1:45:50
  universe. And I think that the math that
• 1:45:52
  you're, you're basically have these basically arguments from
• 1:45:55
  Authority and arguments from popularity.
• 1:45:58
  But when I've presented the actual figures, these were done
• 1:46:01
  with mathematical calculations, these are worth half multiplied
• 1:46:04
  but there is I believe him in and based on faith Authority in
• 1:46:07
  popularity No, that's that's false actually, you know, the
• 1:46:11
  fellas is what we call it. False offloading, basically it's
• 1:46:20
  logical fallacy. That only means that a big bang
• 1:46:29
  theorists can tell you pretty confidently.
• 1:46:31
  What he knows about the Big Bang Theory.
• 1:46:32
  It doesn't mean that the Big Bang Theory is correct, the same
• 1:46:34
  way that a Bible scholar. You can expect it.
• 1:46:37
  A Bible scholar is an authority on what it says in the Bible.
• 1:46:40
  That doesn't mean that it proves that the Bible is correct.
• 1:46:42
  So you're using Authority and relationship in slums.
• 1:46:46
  And again, All those in the field of the, that's not
• 1:46:50
  evidence of the theory being correct.
• 1:46:51
  It's only evidence of them being knowledgeable about that field.
• 1:46:54
  It doesn't mean that the field is correct and repeals to fall,
• 1:46:58
  solve it at all. I was trying to go.
• 1:47:02
  Yeah, that was so long. Does the authorities but it's
• 1:47:06
  not a false is nothing wrong with.
• 1:47:08
  We can back to do that Palacios if we don't know everything
• 1:47:10
  that's great. It is Police inquiry and proves
• 1:47:14
  that it's right. I'm not saying I'm saying, we
• 1:47:17
  don't know who still, don't know.
• 1:47:19
  That's one problem work out. I think this argumentation is
• 1:47:23
  going nowhere. I think we can all agree or not.
• 1:47:35
  Only get went from we know to we don't know at least you started
• 1:47:38
  out by saying we know it's true to now he's saying we don't
• 1:47:40
  know. Yeah, chuckling yeah.
• 1:47:57
  That we know that that happened or is it?
• 1:47:59
  We don't know. Abdullah as another people spent
• 1:48:04
  years, studying that and working in that field.
• 1:48:07
  That's what I know. You might think it's an appeals
• 1:48:10
  to Authority but I am done the work best but I'm not that bad.
• 1:48:14
  So I kind of have to take their word living off of them, kind of
• 1:48:20
  the spent years in that field and they've come to that
• 1:48:22
  conclusion, my family. May I say beware whose word?
• 1:48:29
  You take. Oh but all the juicer because I
• 1:48:33
  also know the scientific method works.
• 1:48:36
  So that's why I'm not trusting them because they're nice.
• 1:48:40
  People. Something is no other work.
• 1:48:44
  Your belief is. You just know.
• 1:48:45
  It may be that. Your believe the foundation of
• 1:48:47
  your belief is based on a fallacy.
• 1:48:49
  Is that correct? No, I'm saying.
• 1:48:54
  No, I'm not believing it because the scientists are so I'm
• 1:48:58
  saying, I believe them because I know where the scientific method
• 1:49:02
  works. So I know how they're working
• 1:49:04
  the stuff out, that's that's why I believe it.
• 1:49:12
  Adam, do you have a YouTube channel?
• 1:49:15
  I do, but it's not about stuff like this, so much as art and
• 1:49:20
  music and comics and stuff. Oh, So you can check out my
• 1:49:26
  channel is just Adam, it's just my name.
• 1:49:28
  Adam lure, Ada ml o re I do is, I mean, I do, sometimes it's
• 1:49:33
  been. I haven't been streaming lately,
• 1:49:34
  but sometimes I'll do like an art stream and then I will have
• 1:49:38
  an open discussion about philosophy or religion, or
• 1:49:41
  dinosaurs or whatever. And there's a second you put
• 1:49:45
  little and give me a private job.
• 1:49:49
  Mary had a lot of lambs. Yep, that's my number one, hit.
• 1:49:57
  I am glad that wildheart accepts, the Big Bang because it
• 1:50:02
  is a supernatural claim and it fits real nicely with God.
• 1:50:10
  I know, I was always thinking, if God said, let there be light,
• 1:50:13
  there would certainly have been a big bang but it has no
• 1:50:17
  comment. I can't understand.
• 1:50:26
  Yeah, I'm sorry that There be Rock but that doesn't make life.
• 1:50:37
  No, it doesn't you quiet? So, if you don't mind me asking
• 1:50:50
  Wild Heart. Do you believe the scientist,
• 1:50:53
  whatever life or notoriety, as well as money profits?
• 1:50:58
  Some of them will get ahead and help them that's been
• 1:51:01
  demonstrated yet, he's just so you don't get like a consensus,
• 1:51:06
  you don't get the majority of doing that.
• 1:51:14
  If they're scientists out there that are intentionally lying and
• 1:51:17
  fudging the facts and how do you know what's true?
• 1:51:20
  And what's not? Because it's clearly a mine,
• 1:51:24
  always a just doing it. So if you got concessive
• 1:51:28
  consensus on something and you can pretty much be sure that up,
• 1:51:33
  yeah, they're not all line because they do the experiments
• 1:51:36
  independence of each other. So, You ever heard of Lucy
• 1:51:40
  before? Yes, I have yes.
• 1:51:44
  Why did they put fake human feet?
• 1:51:48
  Are in the thing inside of the museum for?
• 1:51:53
  I'm not sure, but it probably has something to do with that
• 1:51:56
  setting. Some things I just wanted to
• 1:51:58
  look good and they did, they never deny that.
• 1:52:01
  That's what they don't last very indifferent.
• 1:52:03
  Yeah, they actually, what was it?
• 1:52:05
  They carved up some wood Adam, and then they, they put the feet
• 1:52:09
  on. Weird.
• 1:52:09
  And then put a bunch of parts together that weren't even a
• 1:52:12
  part of the original. Why why do that for, why?
• 1:52:15
  Not keep it as it is. Yep, that's what they did and
• 1:52:18
  they were trying to be deceptive.
• 1:52:20
  I see else. That's clearly wrong.
• 1:52:24
  Especially if you're looking private chat, send the if you
• 1:52:27
  looking private, shout out and put his Link in there for you
• 1:52:30
  all. I'm also going to put it out in
• 1:52:32
  the public for everybody so they can subscribe to Adam.
• 1:52:37
  Hold on a second. Yeah, Jason Well, I'll go
• 1:52:39
  swimming. Here we go.
• 1:52:43
  Let me you taking off furnace, wild hard time.
• 1:52:46
  Enjoying your company. No, no, I'm just saying, I'm
• 1:52:49
  gonna something Adam shuttle. Okay, very good, very good.
• 1:52:54
  That's the best thing to do. There you go.
• 1:52:58
  When you're thinking about scientists lying Brett, it made
• 1:53:02
  me think of this song that I want to sing so bad.
• 1:53:05
  I'm trying to make an old him into a, my comedy and it goes
• 1:53:15
  lying for Jesus. So we have Liars, everywhere in
• 1:53:27
  the Church and in the science. I don't know if you know, Jesus
• 1:53:33
  is Lord as Jill. He actually calls it trolling
• 1:53:36
  for Jesus. Yeah, well, he calls line for
• 1:53:42
  Jesus trolling for Jesus are trolling for Jesus.
• 1:53:45
  Yes, there's trolls. And for Jesus.
• 1:53:53
  Let's see what Aiden's got here. He were, he writes about how or
• 1:53:58
  some scientists being cropped, any lesson distorting of the
• 1:54:01
  truth. And the fact that there's always
• 1:54:04
  been cropped, clergy every Human Institution steaming with
• 1:54:07
  corruption, well, with Christianity, for this song,
• 1:54:11
  Christians are intellectually honest enough to state that
• 1:54:15
  their position is based upon faith.
• 1:54:18
  If someone says that, they believe in the, if someone says
• 1:54:21
  that they believe in the Big Bang, And they haven't actually
• 1:54:25
  seen the singularity or any of these things actually happen.
• 1:54:28
  It's all based on radiation then Adam, a lower is correct.
• 1:54:33
  It's a faith-based assertion claim.
• 1:54:36
  That's the deal. No, everybody went quiet.
• 1:54:46
  Did I drop the Mike? Was that hardcore?
• 1:54:48
  What I was up there with the form Beyond make me sing that
• 1:54:52
  song? Oh, angry there.
• 1:54:54
  That's what I do to keep this way to go, man.
• 1:54:57
  Way, I figured if I'm going to die from cigarettes.
• 1:55:00
  They got to be cheap ones that way I can feel really important.
• 1:55:05
  Did you see recently something about tobacco does something to
• 1:55:11
  help you not get sick? No, I was goofing around
• 1:55:16
  earlier. I said, oh, cigarettes got
• 1:55:18
  vitamin C in them. They're good for you.
• 1:55:21
  I know, but I had actually seen that.
• 1:55:25
  But who knows? Everybody lies.
• 1:55:27
  Yeah. Are you there?
• 1:55:32
  I seen some stuff an article or something that was saying that
• 1:55:36
  at least was certain autoimmune disorders and stuff that tobacco
• 1:55:39
  will actually, like, it will have detrimental effects in
• 1:55:43
  other areas. But it can, it seems
• 1:55:45
  statistically to help Start. I don't know if it stops it or
• 1:55:51
  makes it minimizes some of the symptoms of certain autoimmune.
• 1:55:54
  Yeah. So I'm not crazy.
• 1:55:58
  Well, at least I have a moment. Rosa has got to be good for you
• 1:56:01
  or not ingesting. All the much Mercy mod says,
• 1:56:11
  exactly that's why it's called a belief.
• 1:56:13
  And I wouldn't say there are liars for Jesus.
• 1:56:16
  Everyone is a liar. Who fats a bit rough?
• 1:56:20
  What do you think about that claim?
• 1:56:21
  Missing mod says, everybody's a liar.
• 1:56:25
  That's what the Bible says. Yep, it might not be true,
• 1:56:29
  though. You have to check the Bible
• 1:56:33
  against reals. And I'm not saying everybody is
• 1:56:37
  a lying for Jesus, but there are certainly some people who are
• 1:56:41
  lying for Jesus, and it's certainly not for his benefit.
• 1:56:46
  It's done using him. Missing mod has been around me
• 1:56:54
  before. She knows exactly what I'm
• 1:56:56
  talking about. Or he I'm sorry I don't remind
• 1:57:00
  know you messaged me but I don't remember.
• 1:57:06
  Lucy, Maud needs to get a microphone as 2022, folks.
• 1:57:10
  Come on, what's up with that? so, I can earn your bread and
• 1:57:18
  Cindy about how Male and female could have come about.
• 1:57:24
  I feel like that's a real attitude problem with Evolution.
• 1:57:27
  I've been really interested and I was I was trying to read like
• 1:57:30
  what the standard explanation for that is but I haven't been
• 1:57:34
  able to find too much on it. There's like there's some stuff
• 1:57:37
  where they try to say like there's certain like single cell
• 1:57:43
  interactions. That seemed to be sort of
• 1:57:46
  precursors to that, but it's similar to other.
• 1:57:50
  Well, they're trying to I'm trying to say that it's
• 1:57:53
  precursory, but it's actually just because there are other
• 1:57:57
  types of reproduction doesn't mean that the male female human
• 1:58:02
  type came from that. If you think that life came from
• 1:58:07
  RNA, then DNA basically chemical compounds and then like
• 1:58:15
  gradually developed an arm, and then leg, and then something
• 1:58:23
  else and then along, and, and then an ovary and that that's
• 1:58:34
  ridiculous. Because nothing partial will
• 1:58:37
  ever reproduce and so it has one generation and then it's dead.
• 1:58:43
  And it has to be completely formed and the male has to be
• 1:58:50
  completely formed in one generation.
• 1:58:55
  It has to be premeditated. Well, like with the I use that's
• 1:59:00
  enough is like a just a photosensitive cells.
• 1:59:03
  We could you sell like from down and then so that's better than
• 1:59:06
  not being able to tell light from dark ignoring and then they
• 1:59:10
  just got refined and changes using got better.
• 1:59:14
  But do you see, I've heard that scenario before, but it doesn't
• 1:59:19
  work with reproduction, right cheek.
• 1:59:21
  Like, think about it. Like how would the first Male
• 1:59:25
  and feel female genitals come about at the same time and work
• 1:59:29
  to reproduce, like it's so much stuff that it would have to do
• 1:59:32
  in concert that there's no real. I mean, maybe there's a way to
• 1:59:35
  get like these intermediate stages but what would they even
• 1:59:39
  be? Because you have to have and it
• 1:59:41
  would have to be like even if like if it's you were the first
• 1:59:45
  person that ever had genitals what would you do with it?
• 1:59:50
  Because the language like you would have to have a sex drive.
• 1:59:53
  So it's like you would have to have these At least like four
• 1:59:55
  different things, all at the same time, which doesn't come
• 1:59:59
  about just from a genetic mutation.
• 2:00:00
  There have to be multiple genetic, mutations in concert
• 2:00:03
  for a function, which would take over a trillion years to happen
• 2:00:07
  by just reading the functional solution to.
• 2:00:09
  This is supposedly you an atheist because you keep pulling
• 2:00:13
  up with probable for evolution and Darwin, don't see what your
• 2:00:19
  solution to the problem is, though, you don't theist.
• 2:00:22
  So, first off, it doesn't matter if we know The alternative is,
• 2:00:25
  if we know that something doesn't work, we should still.
• 2:00:28
  We shouldn't just believe it. But that what I'm arguing
• 2:00:30
  against is basic straightforward darwinian Evolution with just
• 2:00:36
  variation and selection that is insufficient to explain these
• 2:00:40
  things. You have to have at least like
• 2:00:42
  there's these things called Hox genes that control the
• 2:00:45
  embryogenesis and where the different morphology origination
• 2:00:49
  that you would have to have at least like evo-devo or things
• 2:00:52
  like that were you? In other words?
• 2:00:55
  You can there's actually equations and stuff for
• 2:00:59
  darwinian a Neo darwinian Evolution.
• 2:01:01
  And if you use those equations, you'll find that the amount of
• 2:01:03
  time required, for what you're talking about.
• 2:01:06
  It exceeds, what you guys believe is the age of the
• 2:01:09
  universe. Like, it's, you have to have,
• 2:01:12
  I'm not saying, I do believe in some normal.
• 2:01:14
  You know, the same just say that we're working with now, just the
• 2:01:18
  best cover model, way out for that, whatever.
• 2:01:22
  That's not the reason he's model is way better than Darwinian
• 2:01:25
  Evolution. It actually explains how it
• 2:01:27
  worked it. There's an explanation,
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  darwinian evolution is like provably.
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  He's can't do it. So at least hers like ours might
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  have faith involved but at least it can explain what we observe.
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  So so why is it? Why is that just go over it
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  again, just for something called extent.
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  Have you ever heard of extended synthesis of evolution?
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  There's basically like darwinian Evolution was like the early one
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  of the early ones, that's the most popular one, most people
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  know. And then there was, you know, I
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  don't know if I think most people don't realize this, but
• 2:02:00
  back in Darwin State, they didn't know about.
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  They didn't even know what mutations were.
• 2:02:04
  They didn't know about genetics, you know, that just expand
• 2:02:07
  Championship. So what we have now is mostly
• 2:02:11
  what we see is neo-darwinian of evolution which is like you take
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  men, Mendel, is that the guys name and Deli and genetics?
• 2:02:20
  And they had a few different things like basically, there's
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  this big debate over which thing is right and they kind of
• 2:02:24
  combined it all together. They call it the modern
• 2:02:26
  synthesis. Well, nowadays they're finding
• 2:02:30
  that the modern synthesis can't explain this.
• 2:02:32
  And you need a third stage where it's, I can they call it an
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  extended synthesis where you need things?
• 2:02:36
  Like evo-devo. There's this notion of called
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  evolvability like certain animals for or evolvable than
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  others. There's like a whole set of like
• 2:02:46
  financial problems that I couldn't say.
• 2:02:49
  I wanted you to explain the best of all.
• 2:02:53
  What I'm saying is you need at least extended synthesis, but it
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  does extend accept this as can't explain The origin of
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  information. Yes, like creation is point.
• 2:03:02
  This out all the time and why wouldn't you just wait?
• 2:03:10
  Now Polytechnic problems we got now, you know, except that what
• 2:03:15
  I just told you something. That's better than darwinian
• 2:03:18
  neo-darwinian is better than darwinian.
• 2:03:19
  Modern synthesis is better than that.
• 2:03:21
  And extend a synthesis is better than that, but they're still
• 2:03:24
  insufficient to explain what Brett and Cindy are pointing
• 2:03:28
  out. Is how does that Explain the
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  origin of sex? How does that Explain the origin
• 2:03:32
  of genetic information in the first place?
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  It can explain how to modify it. But how does because we have
• 2:03:38
  these a complicated Gene Altering networks above DNA that
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  are doing, way more complicated stuff that there's no
• 2:03:46
  explanation of how that can really speak Know, Your solution
• 2:03:49
  is explain to me the best of model.
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  Better than extended synthesis. But even the comb that when you
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  can see who got, I just had to the better button.
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  No. All I already do with quality
• 2:04:05
  problems with the darwinian thing underneath put forth, the
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  best of all Tony, Darwin didn't even have mutation.
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  Okay, so a theory of evolution with mutation is better than
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  Darwin, that's because Darwin, well that's another thing we
• 2:04:20
  have no razor is changed. So you're just going on what
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  Darwin, bring your stuff. Frantic Darwin, I will defend
• 2:04:26
  you doing. I'm saying you're using dark.
• 2:04:30
  All right, let me put it this way.
• 2:04:31
  How we got a better model than the current darwinian
• 2:04:35
  neo-darwinian theory is about failure and that's called
• 2:04:39
  extended synthesis and I have all this stuff but the problem
• 2:04:49
  is it's still doesn't get at the heart of the problem of what
• 2:04:52
  Brett instead of, you're bringing out, what Ation is
• 2:04:54
  always point out, is that how does the fucking genetic
• 2:04:58
  information? Get there in the first place?
• 2:05:04
  So that the best theory is completely different from
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  because I know it's changing style, is that kind of we find
• 2:05:13
  it, you know? But let's break down are like
• 2:05:16
  this is it has changed. What is it?
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  Is that That's not the best one I've gotten to you.
• 2:05:24
  That we say what Darwin is just like one little bird of it.
• 2:05:28
  It's like one of 20 principles and we'll forget it doesn't
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  matter about dialing. I'm saying the current theory,
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  you know more scientists biologists working working with
• 2:05:38
  is a better. One than that.
• 2:05:39
  I think, mostly people use deodorant, like they use the
• 2:05:42
  modern synthesis Like Richard. Dawkins for example is a Neo
• 2:05:44
  darwinists he uses he doesn't use the principles of extended
• 2:05:48
  synthesis, they don't they don't use the like, the principles I
• 2:05:56
  was talking about, I mean, there's some epigenetics
• 2:05:58
  involved, there's evo-devo and stuff, but it's not, they didn't
• 2:06:01
  organize it into a new model, they just kind of Incrementally,
• 2:06:08
  use Newton's done without without officially kind of
• 2:06:12
  renaming it, you know. Yeah, well you say I'm like what
• 2:06:20
  are you saying that there's a better TV than the scientists
• 2:06:24
  are currently working with? Yes.
• 2:06:27
  Yes, yes. My so For everything in science,
• 2:06:35
  everything in science, there's a better alternative Theory than
• 2:06:38
  the mainstream Theory, all Scientific Management theories
• 2:06:41
  of fucking suck. That's a better alternative
• 2:06:45
  version. Almost all the theories we have
• 2:06:47
  in the mainstream science fields are hundreds of years old and
• 2:06:50
  they haven't been updated because they're in the schooling
• 2:06:53
  system and teaching and it's like, it gets stuck in this
• 2:06:55
  ancient version of it and it's not updated.
• 2:06:59
  So, they're your idea that rocks Clump together and suffers from
• 2:07:03
  the Hundreds. Tom is, there he is?
• 2:07:06
  Doing that. Yes, you're saying the shit you
• 2:07:10
  believe is from the 1700s. Dude.
• 2:07:12
  No, Sharon said what would go and you keep going back to
• 2:07:15
  Darwin and home, ethos of things and then we understood things,
• 2:07:19
  but let's just the theory. The hypotheses are when I was
• 2:07:22
  shaking. So, wild heart, wild hard.
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  That means Wild Heart. Can I ask you, please?
• 2:07:31
  Can you enumerate what it is? Is you believe about Evolution?
• 2:07:38
  Yeah, I did it happen. What is the theory that you
• 2:07:42
  believe? Yeah.
• 2:07:44
  I think the genes mutate it as they get passed on at least a
• 2:07:49
  changes. Was it change in allele
• 2:07:52
  frequency over time? I think that's the definition
• 2:07:55
  which we know for a fact happens.
• 2:07:57
  So that's how it works again. I'm not an expert.
• 2:08:04
  That's realize that 99% of all. Mutations are delete Arius.
• 2:08:09
  CIA low, not productive. That doesn't explain how you can
• 2:08:16
  get new information, you're saying it selects allele
• 2:08:19
  frequencies. So it's like the, you know, the
• 2:08:21
  moth thing where it's like they start out as a population of
• 2:08:23
  white male black yet letters and that.
• 2:08:26
  And that example there's mostly white moths and some black moths
• 2:08:31
  and then it becomes mostly black And some white moths and then it
• 2:08:35
  goes back to mostly white mobs in some black mods.
• 2:08:38
  It's not that black moths magically become black and then
• 2:08:43
  magically transform back to White.
• 2:08:45
  They don't explain where this is our little get emissions.
• 2:08:49
  Yeah. Yeah well in the point is that
• 2:08:52
  you only have the options that are in the jeans, white and
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  black. You're never going to see that
• 2:08:58
  Mom turn into a monster because it's nice.
• 2:09:09
  That might be a celebrity. Well, you're saying that the
• 2:09:13
  allele frequency changes, so it has to my point was that it has
• 2:09:18
  to be selected from the available alleles.
• 2:09:22
  And Adam is trying to get you to think about how do you create
• 2:09:27
  alleles that don't exist yet. Such as those environment
• 2:09:42
  changed changed and the ones that survived.
• 2:09:46
  After that change better, they were the ones that became the
• 2:09:50
  majority counsel, the problem. Well, right.
• 2:09:53
  But we understand that they never changed.
• 2:09:58
  There was no new information, there was no new information so
• 2:10:02
  you can't go from a single-celled creature and add
• 2:10:05
  an arm or add a lung or a damaged right now.
• 2:10:10
  No, he will be gradual yet, you can't ask.
• 2:10:27
  Her one mo. Why?
• 2:10:29
  When we look at the fossil record do we not?
• 2:10:31
  Observe gradualism In Darwin's first book that he wrote the
• 2:10:35
  famous Origin of Species. He said we have this major
• 2:10:37
  problem that there is a gradualism, there's an Abrupt,
• 2:10:41
  there's stasis for a very long time and then there's abrupt
• 2:10:44
  sudden we just suddenly see all this diversity and what Darwin
• 2:10:48
  says is if we wait along if we wait long enough in 100 years or
• 2:10:51
  whatever the hopefully they'll find those fossils in between
• 2:10:55
  but they haven't found the fossils in between.
• 2:10:57
  Don't, they found more diversity?
• 2:10:59
  They found. All right.
• 2:11:00
  Put it this way. Stephen Jay Gould is one of the
• 2:11:17
  most well-known evolutionary biologist.
• 2:11:20
  He doesn't believe in gradualism, right?
• 2:11:21
  He believes in punctuated equilibrium because when you
• 2:11:24
  look at the evidence, we have not There are some of those in
• 2:11:28
  journalism and every kind of hoping that maybe will will fill
• 2:11:32
  in the gaps and we'll see that it was gradualism but that has
• 2:11:36
  been proven to not basically be the case.
• 2:11:38
  It's been demonstrated that what we see is punctuated
• 2:11:41
  equilibrium, so gradualism, and and mutation and natural
• 2:11:46
  selection are insufficient to explain especially in the amount
• 2:11:52
  of time allotted the questions that Cindy is presenting.
• 2:11:57
  But again, I'm saying, give me, can I please whatever you think
• 2:12:02
  about Evolution what you think is, right?
• 2:12:03
  But one concern, you have to put forward a kind of better.
• 2:12:10
  Modeling without nice you know I mean just punching in talking
• 2:12:13
  with Evolution. Can I can I please in her check
• 2:12:18
  Go ahead. Okay, I want to follow
• 2:12:24
  wildhearts hypothesis here. He said, what if evolution was
• 2:12:29
  false He wants us to put forward, a better solution.
• 2:12:37
  Yeah, exactly. Okay, so if my understanding is
• 2:12:43
  correct. We either came from previously,
• 2:12:49
  existing life. Or we did not.
• 2:12:54
  Yes, those are the only two options.
• 2:12:58
  Pretty sure those are the only two options.
• 2:13:01
  Yeah, this is not the Scalia and when you kept saying to Adam,
• 2:13:07
  will you have to put forward a solution?
• 2:13:12
  But I would like to challenge you wildheart if it can be
• 2:13:17
  shown. This is if okay if it can be
• 2:13:22
  shown that evolution is not true.
• 2:13:24
  And that there's never been or never will be life coming from
• 2:13:29
  non-life. Would you be willing to reject
• 2:13:36
  what you've been taught? Even if you don't have a
• 2:13:41
  solution or an alternative? Yes, yes.
• 2:13:47
  Okay, that's nothing wrong with it.
• 2:14:16
  Like this, the probable Evolution then it doesn't
• 2:14:20
  support any other Theory. It just means we don't know
• 2:14:23
  what's going on best. So basically non believers and
• 2:14:30
  Skeptics and even religious people whole darn Evolution.
• 2:14:33
  They're doing that. All based upon faith and no, I'm
• 2:14:36
  not saying it is wrong. I'm saying, if it was wrong, it
• 2:14:39
  turned out to be a but you don't know if it actually wrong or
• 2:14:43
  right or any of these things. So, you're basically saying, I
• 2:14:46
  believe because some people are in television or some teacher
• 2:14:50
  that looked really attractive told me so, and so go with it.
• 2:14:55
  No. But all I'm saying, is it Is the
• 2:14:57
  best model we currently have. We don't have a better one so we
• 2:15:00
  kind of got to go with it. That's such a cliche though
• 2:15:03
  because in his model is better than the model of you're
• 2:15:05
  presenting. Well then you don't have to go
• 2:15:08
  with it and you don't have to go away with it if you don't have a
• 2:15:11
  better one. No you don't Mama.
• 2:15:15
  I'm still not sure. What?
• 2:15:17
  What is this kind of Lucky in evolution or not allow any kind
• 2:15:23
  of solutions to the problem life comes from life and I'm
• 2:15:26
  intentionally leaving that out. Well, can, can you share
• 2:15:34
  something? One time I was involved in a
• 2:15:40
  conversation with someone who was saying that, if it's true,
• 2:15:47
  what creationists are saying. Then there is a massive
• 2:15:53
  conspiracy going on or a massive delusion going on in terms of
• 2:15:59
  the teaching of evolution, if it's not true.
• 2:16:03
  And he was saying how he was just pointing that out and I was
• 2:16:09
  like, Wow. Biologists believe in evolution
• 2:16:18
  is wrong. Yeah, there's something
• 2:16:20
  seriously. Not to mention you, not to
• 2:16:25
  mention how many schools teach it.
• 2:16:29
  Let me, let me ask you a question.
• 2:16:31
  While it appeared as though, you were holding up a controller
• 2:16:34
  over there you gamer. Okay, is that okay?
• 2:16:42
  Yeah, yeah. You can.
• 2:16:46
  Would you would you believe me? Would you believe me?
• 2:16:49
  If I told you that any one of the games that you've ever
• 2:16:51
  bought or owned, or been interested, him came into
• 2:16:55
  existence by itself without a developer.
• 2:16:59
  Would that make rational logical sense to, you know, but as well
• 2:17:03
  talking about before, that's because we know games and
• 2:17:06
  designed. And how DNA is basically just
• 2:17:10
  chemicals reacting with each other.
• 2:17:11
  It doesn't mean to design view. Know what?
• 2:17:13
  DLC? There's a year.
• 2:17:15
  If you're a gamer, do you know what a DLC is?
• 2:17:18
  You know what deals? Yes.
• 2:17:21
  You know what expansion packs are?
• 2:17:23
  Yes, can DLC or any extra information coming to the game.
• 2:17:29
  Game, without the developer. Yeah, yeah, he got the pastor
• 2:17:34
  Martin stuff, you can do with your gun.
• 2:17:38
  It's not allowed because they want to make money, but it needs
• 2:17:41
  some kind of program or right? Yeah.
• 2:17:43
  That's why you get molds and stuff like that.
• 2:17:46
  I'm even mods in order to put in add-ons, or plugins to change
• 2:17:51
  the game, or add more immersion, which is one of my favorite
• 2:17:55
  things about mods, you had to have still have to have someone
• 2:17:59
  scripting it and doing this important a vector.
• 2:18:02
  Formation. Yeah, you need someone to him.
• 2:18:07
  You you are you telling me that even if it was the most ugliest?
• 2:18:10
  Weakest graphically crap game. We still couldn't get that game
• 2:18:15
  without a developer. No.
• 2:18:17
  But that's the difference between down there and computer
• 2:18:20
  called. DNA is chemicals interact in
• 2:18:24
  which they will do anywhere. It's very difficult to start
• 2:18:27
  learning. So what are your games or Alibi?
• 2:18:30
  Your games, not created from the materials of the universe.
• 2:18:34
  Yeah, but it's enough specific called DNA is not called as
• 2:18:38
  such. I think a lot of people don't
• 2:18:40
  understand that, we kind of put the level letters on kind of
• 2:18:44
  afterwards. It needs just chemicals reacting
• 2:18:46
  with each other which they weren't doing that.
• 2:18:48
  Well, DN DNA actually does not spontaneously appear.
• 2:18:53
  Honey. Also they spontaneously if it's
• 2:18:57
  not cold in the same way that a computer called is called one
• 2:19:01
  moment. DNA is actually in every cell
• 2:19:05
  and it reproduces and so just like human reproduction, you
• 2:19:12
  have to go back to the first father and in fact, the word
• 2:19:16
  genetics. Okay, DNA is is part of our
• 2:19:19
  genes, right? That's the same root word as
• 2:19:25
  Genesis. Oh, that's a, that's a stretch
• 2:19:43
  of life and the beginning of the universe and the DNA is like the
• 2:19:48
  human seed. and so, I'm not the human scene because of a lots of
• 2:19:58
  animals before us. Everything has us, you could you
• 2:20:03
  could call it a seed like an egg and a sperm could be called a
• 2:20:05
  seed. I mean, the Bible refers to the
• 2:20:07
  seed of the woman. The seat of the man.
• 2:20:09
  Yeah, but it wasn't specifically So eventually get humans. well,
• 2:20:15
  I guess the only point I was trying to make is that life
• 2:20:19
  comes from life and a gene came from a daddy Gene Well as you
• 2:20:25
  pointed out what he believed gold medals like to go start
• 2:20:29
  some kind of biological thing up and abiogenesis happened.
• 2:20:34
  Something did turn from no live in to live where they believe it
• 2:20:39
  was. God and dust are you know?
• 2:20:41
  Yes, yes, it's true. It's true.
• 2:20:46
  We both believe we came from dust.
• 2:20:48
  That's true. We both believe we came from
• 2:20:52
  dust but I'd be lying. Leave that dust never turns into
• 2:20:57
  a human without. God.
• 2:21:03
  Well, he was just being rebuilt. Biological always kind of jeans
• 2:21:11
  and Well, no Chief theme, you've observed, the third, the observe
• 2:21:22
  scientifically a billion times that life comes from Life.
• 2:21:26
  You've never once seen Life, come out of mom life before.
• 2:21:30
  So why wouldn't you What even if you have a difficult time with
• 2:21:35
  the idea of God, you have to, at least at this point concede that
• 2:21:40
  believing that there is a life that created life is more
• 2:21:45
  scientific more rational than non-life creating life.
• 2:21:49
  Well, I'm saying, we both have that problem because there's
• 2:21:53
  some point in the past non-life turned into life, whichever way
• 2:21:57
  you think it happened. So we both got a problem.
• 2:21:59
  You can't just say that. It never happened because some
• 2:22:03
  point it must just think of worried it did.
• 2:22:08
  But scientifically speaking, it doesn't happen today and so it
• 2:22:12
  would fall under the category of Supernatural.
• 2:22:17
  No, no just because we don't know how something happened.
• 2:22:20
  It just make it girl nature. My been as natural as a nation.
• 2:22:25
  We're just not all over us home. You believe some form of energy,
• 2:22:32
  got all this role in the right? Yeah, I think energy in some
• 2:22:38
  form as always existed is eternal.
• 2:22:40
  Yeah. Now, do you believe some
• 2:22:44
  powerful energy, created every Consciousness in mind that it
• 2:22:48
  will start in the Earth today and dead and gone kind of?
• 2:22:53
  Yeah, but not doubt, not directly the energy caused the
• 2:22:57
  expansion that called the universe, the three chemicals,
• 2:23:01
  that the word their got changed to planets, and stars, and they
• 2:23:04
  explore, you know? But you believe that the
• 2:23:07
  singularity that we were talking about earlier had all the
• 2:23:11
  components for life. As well as Consciousness and
• 2:23:14
  mind, right? It had to have where we wouldn't
• 2:23:17
  exist, right? So, did you say w in mind?
• 2:23:22
  Like if you believe that everything that exists within
• 2:23:25
  the universe, once existed in that Singularity, right?
• 2:23:28
  So it had the rest? Yeah, the actual physical.
• 2:23:30
  Yeah. But have the recipe for mind
• 2:23:33
  Consciousness physicality. No, it didn't have the recipe.
• 2:23:37
  No, because it wasn't cultures and know what was going to
• 2:23:40
  happen or how can I create it doesn't even have something.
• 2:23:45
  It doesn't have. I think he's in the word prayer
• 2:23:48
  wrong. It's just, we have physics.
• 2:23:52
  How about I do this? Use the word and how do I how
• 2:23:55
  about I use word poof, if that makes you feel more comfortable?
• 2:23:57
  Just poof? I'm going with this.
• 2:24:00
  Yeah, you can that is attend and have the information already.
• 2:24:05
  Wait a minute, Brett you just used an ingenious word.
• 2:24:12
  You used the word recipe? Right, humans.
• 2:24:19
  And actually DNA and genetics are The recipe.
• 2:24:29
  Will you say must feel like you lose three plums?
• 2:24:33
  Yeah, yeah, that's my point. It had to be done.
• 2:24:48
  The problem that you're not seeing wild hard to take you and
• 2:24:51
  your very existence is the evidence.
• 2:24:54
  You already admitted that the Big Bang is a supernatural.
• 2:24:58
  Claim your the conclusion all using the I'd be immediately
• 2:25:02
  disagreed about, okay? So the definition one more time
• 2:25:06
  is that something that exists beyond our nature beyond the
• 2:25:09
  laws of nature? Now, if there was no nature some
• 2:25:13
  point in time or without time, To be exact.
• 2:25:17
  Then you've got your Supernatural that's what's
• 2:25:20
  making those tribes. Because if energy is always
• 2:25:23
  existed, doesn't then there will be some form of nature.
• 2:25:26
  Avenge existed, justjust damager, the will be ruins, and
• 2:25:30
  so what happened to it? So it's probably as low as I can
• 2:25:34
  go ahead, it would be outside the laws of nature because there
• 2:25:38
  were no cousin nature. Well I do know the one
• 2:25:43
  different. What?
• 2:25:44
  Zcs I mean you know what happened before?
• 2:25:46
  The Big Bang we just don't want anyone to think about them.
• 2:25:56
  If it's true that this little bitty pinpoint Singularity
• 2:26:01
  somehow had all the materials that would eventually create the
• 2:26:04
  Mind Consciousness and the everything that we see around us
• 2:26:08
  and reality couldn't we just simply go back.
• 2:26:11
  Sometime, go towards the singularity and we should
• 2:26:15
  suspect that if it already had the material, then it to could
• 2:26:19
  have easily had a mind to Consciousness and its own form.
• 2:26:26
  So the Mind exploded and made a bunch of little Minds.
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  No, no think about it. Whenever we're reading the
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  Bible, what is this? How does it say?
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  God, created the universe. He didn't just make things
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  disappear like magic. He actually extended it.
• 2:26:41
  He extended his breath into, man, and to the dust.
• 2:26:45
  That was a part of him. We're a part of him were within
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  him. We are with them.
• 2:26:51
  That's what the Book of John actually says.
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  In him we live and breathe, and have our being.
• 2:26:58
  Yes, he breathed life into us. He breathed his very essence
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  into his first exist. So, therefore, if we went with
• 2:27:06
  what we're talking about here, then there would have had to
• 2:27:09
  been the recipe of the mind right off the bat, right?
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  And that Singularity, they call Singularity.
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  I would refer to it as an extension of God.
• 2:27:19
  Malika doesn't mind. What if you saying that
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  everything has to come from Life.
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  What did God? Phone must be locked the fuck
• 2:27:26
  up. I'm sure there was no time as
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  long as you accept that the Big Bang is true and reeled and you
• 2:27:33
  know just as well as I that there was a existence had no
• 2:27:38
  birth or in because time itself did not exist.
• 2:27:42
  You have this front and again the other powerful being - no
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  time and no they saying that from life until it gets to God
• 2:27:57
  and then it doesn't count. But do you remember, remember
• 2:28:07
  what did you say as well? She'll surely the same rule
• 2:28:11
  applies to God if we can convey from non-life.
• 2:28:14
  Then I did got getting, okay? But remember, I was playing how
• 2:28:20
  if you consider that God is eternal?
• 2:28:23
  And he was always there. He never had an opinion in the
• 2:28:27
  yeah. Wait.
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  Yeah. But wait, the alternative is
• 2:28:34
  that he was not Eternal and that he did have a beginning.
• 2:28:40
  And in my mind that's how it is. The father calls out.
• 2:28:43
  That's all. Yeah and said will hold on, hold
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  on. We got somebody in the backstage
• 2:28:49
  we got to make sure we're good on this.
• 2:28:51
  Make sure it's not a troll old, aren't mine?
• 2:29:10
  Is when I say someone's backstage give me a moment to
• 2:29:12
  introduce them and see if they're born bomb or the real
• 2:29:16
  deal. Hey raids how you doing there?
• 2:29:18
  Guy pretty good. Just getting out of work, had a
• 2:29:21
  had a busy busy day so I'm finally getting a chill a little
• 2:29:24
  bit Now rage were you able to appeal or fix your issue before
• 2:29:30
  we get back in that? We're about to convert this man
• 2:29:32
  over to God. But raids.
• 2:29:35
  Did you get that sick? Not yet.
• 2:29:38
  I just got home. So I'm going to the first thing
• 2:29:41
  I'm going to do is go through my videos and see if there's any
• 2:29:44
  more that I should private and I've already private about four
• 2:29:47
  videos, Justin just until this blows over and I figure out what
• 2:29:51
  I'm going to do. Let me offer you a suggestion
• 2:29:54
  that will save you a lot of time.
• 2:29:56
  Aggravation, have you heard the Odyssey yet?
• 2:29:59
  No. Okay.
• 2:30:01
  Odyssey is like a alternative to YouTube but it's better.
• 2:30:04
  It really, really is. Here's the thing in five
• 2:30:08
  seconds, you can connect your account to your YouTube account
• 2:30:11
  and it will copy every video that you have put it on that
• 2:30:14
  site and it's all about free speech over there.
• 2:30:17
  In five minutes. All your videos will be copied
• 2:30:19
  for you Odyssey. I got a link in the description
• 2:30:22
  if you'd like to try it. Are you definitely wrote it
• 2:30:25
  down. You want her to be what with her
• 2:30:29
  mom? Sure as heck do.
• 2:30:32
  I don't see where it's linked, though.
• 2:30:35
  It's in my description of my video.
• 2:30:39
  I can't see it. Can you put it in the comments?
• 2:30:43
  Oh God, I gotta do everything for you a little louder.
• 2:30:52
  Okay, so check this out, whenever, you know, that you're
• 2:30:56
  going to be in the doing an extremely, like, upgraded mop,
• 2:31:01
  for Raging atheist video. Using this site will protect
• 2:31:05
  you. So you know that this is going
• 2:31:07
  to be to juice. For YouTube, here you go.
• 2:31:10
  Oh, hold on a second. Oh yeah, definitely check it out
• 2:31:13
  without a doubt. Because yeah, I mean, YouTube
• 2:31:16
  is, you know, coming down on free speech, on all sides.
• 2:31:19
  I think. And especially now, like I
• 2:31:22
  haven't, you know, I haven't broken any terms of service all
• 2:31:25
  the information that I've been using this public knowledge.
• 2:31:28
  So I should, I should win these appeals once I actually hit
• 2:31:30
  that, you know, what's actually do that.
• 2:31:32
  So, but it definitely be good to check.
• 2:31:35
  Check out some various other It's all right.
• 2:31:40
  There you go. It'll take you five seconds to
• 2:31:43
  click up at the top sign in another YouTube and tell it to
• 2:31:48
  take your videos and it'll make copies of them all over there.
• 2:31:52
  And if you do happen to have to get rid of the ones that you're
• 2:31:55
  worried about, you'll have them over there and just tell people
• 2:31:58
  hey you want to check out my sick.
• 2:32:00
  Shit Odyssey. Here we go.
• 2:32:03
  Yeah I'll definitely definitely go through this and check it out
• 2:32:06
  but oh yeah I don't want to interrupt As conversation.
• 2:32:09
  So y'all get back into it. I'm sure I'll be able to pipe in
• 2:32:13
  a wild heart is decided he don't like the big banger Evolution
• 2:32:17
  anymore so we almost got him. Ain't that right wildheart.
• 2:32:22
  He's not ready to concede yet. Oh, I was at least hoping I
• 2:32:27
  could get him to laugh though. Come on.
• 2:32:29
  Well, but I was going to make a really good point and then you
• 2:32:33
  just made me be quiet and now, I forgot.
• 2:32:36
  Oh, I remember what it was. Can I say it?
• 2:32:42
  Did you pay the five dollar toll before coming in getting?
• 2:32:48
  Go ahead. Go ahead.
• 2:32:50
  Okay. So wild card was objecting to
• 2:32:54
  the fact that we we say, life must come from previously
• 2:33:01
  existing life, until we get to God, and then God doesn't have
• 2:33:07
  to obey the same rule Yes. So I was pointing out that if
• 2:33:13
  you say that God had a beginning, or if you say, God
• 2:33:18
  never had a beginning and he always was either one is
• 2:33:22
  mind-blowing, but those are the only two orientation.
• 2:33:28
  You deserve beginning. Then you have to explain how
• 2:33:31
  that happened. Maybe didn't have any choice
• 2:33:36
  early in the morning if it doesn't have a beginning and
• 2:33:39
  he's not following the same rules, like you because you're
• 2:33:42
  kind of biology, I don't know why, but what I'm saying is
• 2:33:46
  either one, there's only is, that isn't it?
• 2:33:50
  That there's only those two choices there.
• 2:33:52
  Had to be something or you did it.
• 2:33:55
  Yes, the both be amazing. It's just One of the ways he's
• 2:34:01
  not following the rules. Do you think that he's kind of
• 2:34:05
  everlasting them has been around forever?
• 2:34:08
  Well, I guess I would say I really don't care if he follows
• 2:34:11
  the same rules as we do. All I care is if he's real or
• 2:34:14
  not, because if he's real then he can do whatever he wants.
• 2:34:19
  I mean unless it's evil and I don't want special pleading
• 2:34:26
  well, I think I think personally there's there's several Sure.
• 2:34:29
  So you can talk about the Eternal, you can talk about not
• 2:34:32
  being Eternal. If you go to philosophy, you'll
• 2:34:35
  talk about, you know is God contingent or is God necessary,
• 2:34:39
  right? So like if we're at the
• 2:34:42
  beginning of the of the universe and we're trying to prove that a
• 2:34:45
  mine was there to do it. That's basically the argument of
• 2:34:47
  contingency. I just cover this with Khalil
• 2:34:48
  Allah and you know, he makes a lot of arguments about why mine
• 2:34:52
  needs to be present for truth, and that's why there must be a
• 2:34:57
  mine of the beginning of the universe.
• 2:34:59
  But he takes out for account that it is our minds that are
• 2:35:02
  observing these things and placing those truth values on
• 2:35:04
  them. You know, it doesn't take a mind
• 2:35:07
  for asteroids to crash into some planet that will never see ever
• 2:35:11
  in the history of the universe because it's not in the little
• 2:35:13
  sliver of the universe that we can see.
• 2:35:14
  So I would say that, you know, it's all speculation.
• 2:35:20
  I would say that if God does exist, then it must have a
• 2:35:24
  beginning because everything has a beginning, those are the very
• 2:35:27
  arguments we get for the existence of God.
• 2:35:32
  I guess what I was trying to say is either way, either way life
• 2:35:39
  must well life. In our observation always comes
• 2:35:44
  from non-life, I'm sorry. Life always comes from a mommy
• 2:35:49
  and a daddy or a seed from which limit Being involved, you can't
• 2:35:59
  say that. And then said, well, it doesn't
• 2:36:01
  well, so I have to just kind of what you were saying is, you
• 2:36:05
  have to go, okay, his dad, and then his dad and then his dad
• 2:36:09
  and then ultimately, you get to God and you were saying, Where's
• 2:36:12
  my water? Here we go.
• 2:36:31
  Yeah, this is Nick. What's going on?
• 2:36:33
  All right, very good. Let me go ahead and put back up,
• 2:36:35
  something you wanted. That's messed up, that it's
• 2:36:38
  messed up. Damn.
• 2:36:43
  Why don't we do a little little plugin for Namba?
• 2:36:46
  NAMBLA will take your children from here.
• 2:36:50
  Because that isn't whoever is running the beat that isn't
• 2:36:55
  copyright. As I don't mind a good funky
• 2:36:58
  beat while we're talking, but it ain't copyright.
• 2:37:00
  Is it? It probably didn't pick it up
• 2:37:05
  enough to really. But, yeah, good point that.
• 2:37:08
  I mean, I wouldn't worry about it too much better.
• 2:37:09
  Probably than pick it up too much.
• 2:37:11
  It's we sway. All right.
• 2:37:13
  I'll be right back, guys. You guys take over for a little
• 2:37:16
  bit. All right.
• 2:37:19
  You know, rage I've been checking out your videos lately
• 2:37:24
  you know the issue of smoky and can't go.
• 2:37:28
  Yeah. Praise and yeah, pretty
• 2:37:32
  interesting structure. You got going on there.
• 2:37:34
  So I appreciate it though. You know, mr.
• 2:37:37
  Free Speech Warrior Smoky saying is trying to get them taken
• 2:37:41
  down. He actually got two of them
• 2:37:42
  taken down today so I got to go through and look at it and see
• 2:37:45
  if I'm going to peel them or not which I probably Don't think I
• 2:37:48
  broke any terms of service. So really what, what yeah, did
• 2:37:52
  they say, what the reason was there?
• 2:37:54
  They said I was really revealing personal information about
• 2:37:57
  Smokey sing. Really.
• 2:38:01
  So he's basically claiming to be Josh herb.
• 2:38:04
  Oh yeah. Did you see what happened?
• 2:38:06
  In Praises? No, I heard.
• 2:38:10
  I heard about it and I got to check it out because people
• 2:38:12
  started texting me today and they're like, you haven't seen
• 2:38:15
  that. And I'm like, no, I went to bed.
• 2:38:16
  So, I guess I happened after I went to bed last night.
• 2:38:20
  Yeah, I don't know if, you know, the whole story, I'll be real
• 2:38:22
  brief. Basically, he was showing
• 2:38:25
  everybody a video that he got from some place on Facebook or
• 2:38:30
  somewhere else and it showed. Well Josh, the Josh guy Playing
• 2:38:36
  golf or swinging you know just trying to drive with the golf
• 2:38:41
  golf club and everything and can't really see his face
• 2:38:44
  because he's kind of far away so praise was asserting.
• 2:38:48
  That was Smoky right there so then he went from one thing to
• 2:38:52
  the next you know people are asking where do you get the
• 2:38:53
  video from? And then he went to this girl's
• 2:38:56
  face book account know his girl never even heard of before and
• 2:39:02
  that's where that video was uploading.
• 2:39:04
  So so Then we told them, if you go to the search engine of her
• 2:39:10
  friends list, you know, look up the name Josh, so certainly so
• 2:39:17
  he sure did he type the name in the front in the friends search
• 2:39:20
  engine? And then the name, Josh,
• 2:39:22
  horrible popped up course. You can't see if you can see any
• 2:39:25
  pictures of it, right? So then when he goes back to the
• 2:39:30
  videos you know everybody's got on Facebook, you know, images
• 2:39:34
  photos and videos that they can upload.
• 2:39:36
  Facebook. Well, he goes back to the video
• 2:39:39
  section to watch the video again of Josh verbal playing golf and
• 2:39:44
  guess what happens? The video is no longer there.
• 2:39:47
  Oh, it's gone. Yeah, I heard that but he's
• 2:39:50
  still has it though, right? Yeah.
• 2:39:53
  It's on his stream. Yes.
• 2:39:54
  Yeah, and I think he downloaded it somewhere before he showed it
• 2:39:59
  to everybody. So he say he wanted to have like
• 2:40:02
  a plan and yeah, I'm definitely have to check.
• 2:40:05
  That out. You know, I'm probably going to
• 2:40:08
  be extra cautious moving forward.
• 2:40:10
  Yeah, you know, I know we're 41 the damage has been done and
• 2:40:14
  he's running scared right now. He's he's thoroughly exposed,
• 2:40:19
  but for to I'm not going to allow him to mess my shit up,
• 2:40:24
  you know. Like I'm yeah I'm just not going
• 2:40:27
  to do that. So I've been I've been a little
• 2:40:28
  loose with it the last week or so I'm just really going hard at
• 2:40:31
  him. So I'm going to probably tone
• 2:40:33
  that down a bit. Yep, nothing wrong.
• 2:40:38
  He plays golf as well. Oh yeah, I think he's told me
• 2:40:42
  he's off to. Wow.
• 2:40:46
  But then again it's like he told me he was 3039.
• 2:40:51
  I thinking now he's 42 and he told me he was in the Jesse Lee
• 2:40:56
  Peterson debate, and now he wasn't you I'm saying it's not
• 2:41:03
  entirely truthful, you know, I was surprised that and I I'd
• 2:41:06
  like to get back to our conversation because it seemed
• 2:41:09
  like a fascinating conversation that I was just getting involved
• 2:41:11
  with there. But I was surprised to see veco
• 2:41:14
  when they turned on you. I never thought that would
• 2:41:16
  happen. Oh yeah.
• 2:41:19
  Well, I did because, you know, I'm pretty outspoken with my, my
• 2:41:24
  views on what the Bible says regarding conduct.
• 2:41:27
  So. Yeah, and that's why I, you
• 2:41:31
  know, I This Associated myself with Smoky as well because, you
• 2:41:35
  know, if I go to one of his live streams, it's only for strictly
• 2:41:40
  entertainment purposes. I might maybe leave a trollish
• 2:41:42
  comment on the side here and there, but you won't see me a
• 2:41:46
  fellowshiping worshipping with or praying with, with Smoky
• 2:41:50
  because I've, he knows about my criticism of his Antics, and he
• 2:41:55
  doesn't seem to want to change. In fact, he's gotten worse since
• 2:41:58
  I made mention of it. So, I was like, all right, well,
• 2:42:01
  Have it your way. Yeah, that was always one of the
• 2:42:04
  things I liked about about like even though you even when you
• 2:42:07
  was like, you know, hang in there a little bit, never really
• 2:42:09
  all that often or you'd be in the same stream with them.
• 2:42:13
  You would always hold him to account for his actions.
• 2:42:16
  You know, you always said that was unacceptable.
• 2:42:18
  So, yeah, I've always kind of appreciated that about you Yeah,
• 2:42:24
  I watch this one part of your video where you were
• 2:42:26
  criticizing, Dave, news unit and anything, you were commenting on
• 2:42:32
  how he's saying something about, you know, I'm done with you
• 2:42:36
  guys. I don't want you guys to talk to
• 2:42:38
  me. I want to talk to you guys
• 2:42:39
  anymore. I don't want you guys to come to
• 2:42:41
  my channel and I was thinking the same exact thing you were
• 2:42:45
  thinking you made a comment saying something along the lines
• 2:42:48
  of like, nobody cares who the heck is gonna lose.
• 2:42:53
  Over not being able to go to not being invited to the news units
• 2:42:57
  Channel anymore, you know? Yeah.
• 2:42:59
  Like thing I was like, are you kidding me?
• 2:43:02
  That was funny to me that was like, oh my God.
• 2:43:05
  I think you know, my dreams are broken in half now, you know,
• 2:43:10
  oh, there was one more thing as one take it.
• 2:43:13
  One more thing is going to tell you guys about Odyssey and then
• 2:43:16
  I'll quit a plug in it and everything.
• 2:43:18
  But you can create as many channels through it as you want,
• 2:43:21
  like, you could put This will be raging atheist live shows.
• 2:43:26
  This will be raging atheist of videos about this but it will
• 2:43:30
  actually create other channels and stuff and having a hat.
• 2:43:33
  Also, one of the things you and buckles going to love about it,
• 2:43:36
  is you get monetized right away. So you're going to get, you're
• 2:43:40
  going to start getting paid right away for your stuff.
• 2:43:43
  Just got to make sure you promote it.
• 2:43:44
  It's nice. It's real nice.
• 2:43:47
  Yeah, I'm definitely going to check it out.
• 2:43:48
  Probably tomorrow before work, but I appreciate it.
• 2:43:50
  You should do it as quickly as possible.
• 2:43:53
  Bomberman because if you've got two hits on there and they don't
• 2:43:57
  go through the appeal, you may get suspended for three.
• 2:44:00
  Yeah, that's that's that's what I'm doing.
• 2:44:03
  I'm just I'm, I'm thinking right now.
• 2:44:07
  You can do it in an open and another open tab.
• 2:44:12
  Yeah, she's doing it right now. You could do it in five seconds.
• 2:44:14
  Raids, do we? Well, I got it.
• 2:44:19
  I got to check this. Oh no.
• 2:44:25
  And he'll be back something. I guess he accidentally clicked
• 2:44:29
  out while he was trying to do that thing Beckel, did you sign
• 2:44:33
  up? Am I going to be able to click
• 2:44:34
  follow on you or not? I got to see what kind of
• 2:44:36
  trouble you're causing. Yeah, no, I'm I can't do it
• 2:44:41
  right now, ma'am. I'm too busy to us.
• 2:44:43
  Still doing some chores around this house.
• 2:44:45
  This house is an atrocity. I'm saying, if we're going to
• 2:44:48
  get, if we had somebody robbed us, try to Rob us right now.
• 2:44:51
  They'd probably be just leave everything alone, and just have
• 2:44:54
  pity on us. Probably help us clean.
• 2:45:01
  But when I was going to say was, yeah, I was going to ask you
• 2:45:03
  also about Odyssey G-Man, told me a little bit about it, so you
• 2:45:08
  get like a penny or or something /, upload your you get that.
• 2:45:15
  But if you get views and all that, obviously, that's going to
• 2:45:18
  add to it and that'll counter. Yeah, looks like our buddy.
• 2:45:22
  Raging is back. Yeah, Beckel you don't seem like
• 2:45:26
  you're in any kind of trouble at this point on YouTube though.
• 2:45:29
  I'm trying to say breaking a whole lot of trouble - ation
• 2:45:34
  plus. By the way, there is one last
• 2:45:36
  thing you guys are able to live stream are NADA see as well and
• 2:45:41
  it's good. Well, I actually am sort of in
• 2:45:43
  trouble. I got two strikes on my channel.
• 2:45:45
  So what does that say? Oh yeah.
• 2:45:48
  And guess what? It was about to What happened?
• 2:45:51
  Talking about, dr. Fauci, oh man.
• 2:45:56
  Yep, YouTube likes, dr. Fauci very much.
• 2:46:02
  So there are what I heard. That's one of the things Smokey
• 2:46:05
  is doing because somebody put in, put it on my community tab,
• 2:46:10
  you know what was going on today?
• 2:46:12
  And somebody put a put in there. He's also using with other
• 2:46:17
  people like actually covid misinformation.
• 2:46:20
  Nation to get their stuff taken down.
• 2:46:24
  He's that. He's claiming covid
• 2:46:25
  misinformation. Well yeah, I didn't mean to duck
• 2:46:31
  out there. I hit the wrong button.
• 2:46:33
  I exit out. It looks like I don't have a
• 2:46:36
  strike. I just got a warning.
• 2:46:39
  If it happens, again, I'll get another strike and it's they
• 2:46:42
  say, you only get one warning, but, man, I've should have had
• 2:46:45
  strikes before but it does. Yeah, they may have went through
• 2:46:51
  your channel though, man. And it might just be a matter of
• 2:46:54
  time for YouTube does something. So just be quiet, which they
• 2:46:59
  did. No, they've been going to my
• 2:47:00
  channel for a long time, but yeah, I'm definitely gonna look
• 2:47:01
  and especially, you know, the whole at least getting my
• 2:47:04
  content over there to have a backup.
• 2:47:06
  I think would definitely be a smart thing to do.
• 2:47:09
  There you go wildcard. Any way we can get you back on
• 2:47:14
  camera. I like to have at least one face
• 2:47:16
  looking at us. Yes.
• 2:47:17
  All that was just something about.
• 2:47:18
  This is a nighttime just just signed up but I've gotten him
• 2:47:22
  back link. It's like you're channeling.
• 2:47:24
  You can see the furniture. Is that my channel in car?
• 2:47:27
  I was just um, musically again. You want to give us your link?
• 2:47:30
  I think I'm already following you.
• 2:47:33
  Oh you're not feeling well. Okay.
• 2:47:36
  See you didn't put the link on there properly though, not,
• 2:47:40
  that's what yeah, I wasn't sure. If I say I don't like to get my
• 2:47:43
  channel link, we gotta go to your channel.
• 2:47:47
  And then you go up to the top, where the Earl was you hit
• 2:47:49
  right? Click copy, that's awesome.
• 2:47:52
  Come on, man. You're an atheist.
• 2:47:53
  You supposed to be smarter than us.
• 2:47:59
  Something so fun. And it's good for learning guys.
• 2:48:03
  All good. Adam, are you still there?
• 2:48:07
  You not checking out. Some kind of deformed me Tatian,
• 2:48:10
  are you? Alright.
• 2:48:16
  I was looking at mutation so he can't go quiet that long man.
• 2:48:19
  He might involve the lizard tail or something.
• 2:48:21
  Yeah, the guys to have the conversation, we got written,
• 2:48:29
  these are honored guests. That's true.
• 2:48:31
  Most true. Well Adam, I consider you an
• 2:48:34
  honored guest as well. That's an unassuming got Cindy
• 2:48:37
  here. We got atoms or we got raging
• 2:48:39
  it. This is like a superstar
• 2:48:42
  convention or something. That's right.
• 2:48:45
  All we need now is who he is much more Brett's bringing in
• 2:48:51
  the big names tonight. I've been telling Brett I'd come
• 2:48:55
  on for about a week and I just I was busy.
• 2:48:59
  So now that I'm not focused so much on Smoky and he was
• 2:49:04
  screaming something like I'll come in tonight.
• 2:49:06
  Yeah. I appreciate it right there.
• 2:49:09
  Appreciate it, man. It's always exciting when you
• 2:49:12
  come in, good discussion, good discussion.
• 2:49:14
  So what's on your mind? Besides the whole smoke?
• 2:49:16
  I don't know if you are, there is one thing I need to mention
• 2:49:19
  about those two thirds. Did you hear what happened?
• 2:49:23
  Reasons dot-org. Yeah, well yeah I heard he was
• 2:49:28
  dropped but I haven't seen like the video he put out on it
• 2:49:32
  recently but yeah I know like you can't find his biography
• 2:49:36
  there anymore and then he pretty much admitted that he well he
• 2:49:40
  claimed that they dropped him because he's been attacking
• 2:49:43
  young Earth creationist but he's been attacking young Earth.
• 2:49:45
  Creation is for mostly never dropped them.
• 2:49:47
  They dropped him. Now when when he when he Said
• 2:49:53
  what he said about, you know, girls on their menstrual cycles,
• 2:49:56
  being women. Yeah.
• 2:49:59
  Well, what actually happened and Cindy knows this because I told
• 2:50:02
  her, I think Adams already seen it by now, I posted it.
• 2:50:06
  I received an email back from the organization.
• 2:50:10
  I sent them his YouTube channel and said, I think that you need
• 2:50:14
  to check this out. This guy is threatening people.
• 2:50:16
  He's being extremely disgusting, he's trash-talking Christians as
• 2:50:22
  well as atheists, and Horrible manner.
• 2:50:24
  He has said that he wants to go meet up with this Ryan
• 2:50:27
  Presbyterian and take a baseball bat to his head.
• 2:50:30
  And they go. They were like Ray Kelly.
• 2:50:35
  So they checked it out. I put the email up and they told
• 2:50:37
  me we investigated. He is now suspended.
• 2:50:40
  So him. I hope he they want to beat my
• 2:50:42
  ass for the wiffle ball bat. Now, I was wondering why they
• 2:50:45
  started talking about you again, you know, like they always kind
• 2:50:48
  of talk about you but like the actually doing streams dedicated
• 2:50:52
  to you again, I was Like huh, Something's Happened and to be
• 2:50:56
  fair though, I did, even though I'm totally pissed at these
• 2:51:00
  turds I did warn. Kenny I said, Kenny at this,
• 2:51:03
  does not stop and a week, I am going to contact this
• 2:51:06
  organization and he's like, will you do so Bean bringing Britt.
• 2:51:11
  You ain't going to do nothing because I'm important and
• 2:51:13
  relevant up there and I said oh you are.
• 2:51:16
  Well let's find out. Let's send an email.
• 2:51:21
  Yeah I think he thought a little too.
• 2:51:23
  Much of himself there for a while.
• 2:51:25
  I think he's starting to come down to Earth, but he's all in.
• 2:51:29
  I don't get it like his, he's got more to lose than Smokey I
• 2:51:32
  think so. Yeah, I don't get it.
• 2:51:35
  What's his? Yeah.
• 2:51:38
  The, The Bozo we were just talking about it.
• 2:51:41
  A smoky, good luck Kyle. Oh, yeah, it's dr.
• 2:51:46
  Kyle okin. Well, he's got a new one now.
• 2:51:50
  It's it's Kenobi. Now now he's being really.
• 2:51:54
  I'm glad I now, you know, that's it.
• 2:51:57
  You used to report his employer. Debbie the doctor kylo kid.
• 2:52:03
  Well that's that's the thing Cindy.
• 2:52:05
  He wasn't actually employed. He told everybody had all these
• 2:52:09
  credentials and he was doing great works up there, but it
• 2:52:12
  turned out, according to the email, he was nothing more than
• 2:52:16
  a volunteer. He wasn't working with these
• 2:52:18
  people. So yeah, they just nice to see
• 2:52:22
  you later. I would send him.
• 2:52:25
  Well, let me see, you'll have to go to my front page and click on
• 2:52:31
  community and then you'll see some of the links put out there.
• 2:52:35
  I can probably grab it put into private chat real quick.
• 2:52:38
  I got them in this sub list because he's one that I'm
• 2:52:42
  covering right now. So let me see.
• 2:52:46
  Unless he took that channel down, I don't know.
• 2:52:50
  Yeah, just butting each other like yesterday.
• 2:52:52
  I think it was or he changed the name of it to kylo.
• 2:52:57
  Kim supreme leader but that's still one.
• 2:53:01
  So I'll throw that in the private shirt.
• 2:53:04
  I gotta tell you right? Jose extremely irritated, I had
• 2:53:08
  posted your shared your video and everything and I said, man
• 2:53:12
  folks need to check it out, I thought it was one of the best
• 2:53:15
  damn streams with seen in quite some time.
• 2:53:17
  I do that and I sent it all out there.
• 2:53:20
  Buddies and all that. Next thing I know, boom, that
• 2:53:23
  just pisses me off. Yeah, I saw all day today I had
• 2:53:27
  a, we had a doctor's appointment up in Grand Rapids, so it's like
• 2:53:30
  a two-hour Drive, their two hour drive.
• 2:53:31
  Back once we got there, maybe turned out to be a longer
• 2:53:35
  appointment, then they usually are usually they're like 30
• 2:53:38
  minutes but she got her her glucose monitor today.
• 2:53:43
  So, you know, they had to put that on and we had to learn
• 2:53:46
  about it. So I was I was pretty much
• 2:53:47
  there, right up until I had to go to work.
• 2:53:50
  So I get all the way home and I get to work and just as I'm
• 2:53:53
  pulling into work, I got the first, the first email saying,
• 2:53:59
  you know, I got the warning and that they took down the content
• 2:54:04
  and then I got the second email about an hour later and they
• 2:54:06
  said, you know, they just gave me a warning and they're not
• 2:54:09
  going to give me a strike but they took down the content.
• 2:54:12
  And at that point, then I went and private admitted, most of
• 2:54:16
  the streams, I could find sitting there on my phone at
• 2:54:18
  work, I still We go through and see if there's still any that's
• 2:54:22
  available, just to stop the, the flag campaign, because that's
• 2:54:26
  what they're doing on the run into flag campaign.
• 2:54:28
  So, I just, you know, try to put a stop to that and hopefully,
• 2:54:31
  the damage is done and then I can look at this and to peel
• 2:54:34
  them, you know, the private thing won't work.
• 2:54:38
  If they already hit it yet, they remember it takes a while for
• 2:54:41
  you to get oh yeah, do it, they might.
• 2:54:43
  Yeah, I'm just I wanted to stop the flow of the flags, right.
• 2:54:47
  So now they'll you know they won't be able to find it so they
• 2:54:49
  won't Able to continue to flag them but yeah, if the damage is
• 2:54:52
  done, the damage is done right here.
• 2:54:56
  Yeah. Was there any work with our, it
• 2:55:00
  worked with it worked with Von Hilton, because he got mad at me
• 2:55:03
  once, and he was going to start flagging, some of my stuff, so I
• 2:55:07
  private it before he could do it.
• 2:55:12
  You know, you and Vaughn, don't get along.
• 2:55:14
  You guys got into it, we get it. We sometimes sometimes, I think
• 2:55:17
  he's funny, but yeah, we often argue, I was, I was on a wheel
• 2:55:21
  Kincaid stream, it was a stream Where will Kincaid decided he
• 2:55:24
  was going to use Vaughn's Avatar and then everybody in the room
• 2:55:27
  used it. So Von got mad at everybody.
• 2:55:30
  Oh yeah he gets really sentimental but that scorpion
• 2:55:34
  thing. Yeah so he got he got pretty
• 2:55:37
  mad. I went private at them all and
• 2:55:42
  then once he cooled down on private, it Omen.
• 2:55:44
  Everything was good. Yeah, we were having a good
• 2:55:48
  conversation. I didn't mean to derail that.
• 2:55:50
  And I do want to say to Cindy you, but you probably don't know
• 2:55:53
  me, but I've actually covered your situation with Kent a
• 2:55:57
  couple times and I just want to say, you know, I'm sorry for
• 2:56:00
  your situation. He had no absolutely no rights
• 2:56:03
  to ever put his hands on you and I find you to be very strong and
• 2:56:07
  I commend you get away from that man.
• 2:56:11
  Thank you, sir. He did way more than put his
• 2:56:14
  hands on me. Yeah, I can only imagine, I can
• 2:56:18
  only imagine, I can't see. I haven't even exposed half of
• 2:56:21
  what he did. I went to that channel and
• 2:56:26
  there's stuff on me and can't. Well, they have a new name for
• 2:56:34
  it. It's called well, it is.
• 2:56:37
  Oh yeah, yeah, but it's called Scofield.
• 2:56:41
  Seminary videos. There's a bunch of stuff on
• 2:56:44
  Brett to. Yeah.
• 2:56:46
  Well, they are definitely against Kent hovind.
• 2:56:51
  But I didn't say our advisors and I didn't know they were
• 2:56:56
  vocal against Kent because I asked for them to help me expose
• 2:57:00
  him and they wouldn't reply to my request.
• 2:57:04
  Well, at the time they probably weren't against can at that
• 2:57:08
  point whenever Smokey decides to flip, everybody else Falls to
• 2:57:12
  follow suit so it you know for a long time there Smokey was
• 2:57:15
  playing nice with Kent hovind and then they had a debate and
• 2:57:19
  it turns sour after their debate.
• 2:57:21
  So It might it might have been well yeah might have been that
• 2:57:26
  he might not have been really going hard at cat that at that
• 2:57:29
  moment yet but why your lady hardcore now everything on here?
• 2:57:40
  I was just going to say everything on here is only two
• 2:57:42
  days old, so that means it was just recently switched, to a new
• 2:57:45
  channel. It doesn't mean that he just
• 2:57:47
  went against Kent, two days ago. Is that right?
• 2:57:51
  No. No.
• 2:57:52
  They've been going against them for a couple months at least.
• 2:57:55
  Yeah. So all these videos say, you
• 2:57:58
  know, small numbers of days, But I never, I never subdue that
• 2:58:10
  channel. I was sub 2 is dr.
• 2:58:12
  Kyle. Oh, Kent Kent.
• 2:58:13
  You know. I'll sink you my links on in
• 2:58:15
  somewhere. So, so, so that's the new
• 2:58:19
  channel and I don't even have his old Channel now.
• 2:58:23
  So reach my sister channel, the Raging atheist.
• 2:58:28
  I'm probably one of the one of the worst atheist you'll find on
• 2:58:32
  YouTube. Oh my gosh.
• 2:58:35
  You're the Raging atheist? Yes.
• 2:58:37
  Yeah, that's me. Holy cow.
• 2:58:42
  Hold on, we got somebody back page.
• 2:58:44
  Hold on. If it's tto, are put your finger
• 2:58:48
  up by your nose. There you go.
• 2:58:51
  It's really him. You can see me though, right?
• 2:58:56
  Yeah. But there's been some
• 2:58:58
  non-believers. There's been some non-believers.
• 2:59:01
  What? They'll do is a loop a little
• 2:59:02
  clip and I think it's one of my buddies and they actually are
• 2:59:06
  figured out how to make the name.
• 2:59:08
  Look the same. As soon as I put them up.
• 2:59:10
  That penis goes flying like Omegle.
• 2:59:13
  Yeah, they've done what we have are.
• 2:59:17
  So that means you're not the only assessed with them, what's
• 2:59:22
  he trying to say Sandy, what you talking about?
• 2:59:24
  Well you were talking about him pretty frequently.
• 2:59:27
  I little bit while ago, we were talking about reproductive
• 2:59:31
  organs and how do they stay compatible through all that
• 2:59:33
  speciation? Yeah.
• 2:59:38
  Oh good, it says Easter Sunday. Open room.
• 2:59:44
  Is that a picture of you on the thumbnail?
• 2:59:49
  What's this channel called? Let me sit sitting back down.
• 2:59:56
  I was just getting up. I'd have to look at it.
• 2:59:59
  I'd probably that's the one with the Easter Bunny, right?
• 3:00:03
  Yeah. And the basket.
• 3:00:05
  What's the channel called? Oh yeah, that's me.
• 3:00:08
  Great ideas. Yeah, the Raging atheist.
• 3:00:12
  I'm definitely get into it with Chris.
• 3:00:22
  But I do try to be fair. I have several Christian friends
• 3:00:26
  but I am. I don't know what's the word I'm
• 3:00:29
  looking for. Brett, I'm an asshole.
• 3:00:33
  It's nice. I was referring to the channel.
• 3:00:36
  That was just created two days ago they had all those.
• 3:00:39
  All right. So yeah it's on the it's called
• 3:00:45
  Scofield Seminary it's in the private chat that's the one I
• 3:00:51
  want. Yeah, he's got another Channel
• 3:01:03
  now. Apparently he changed from a
• 3:01:05
  Seth to a Jedi. Yeah, that's Kenny's old
• 3:01:14
  Channel. Now he's Kenobi.
• 3:01:16
  He's a good. I now is that referring to the
• 3:01:18
  one. He Lincoln his video on my new
• 3:01:20
  channel? Yeah, I think that, if you're
• 3:01:22
  going to make a YouTube channel and use a character from Star
• 3:01:27
  Wars, you should do one, that doesn't get their ass whipped
• 3:01:29
  really easy because it's kind of weak, you know, those Jedi is a
• 3:01:34
  religion. So does that mean there's no
• 3:01:35
  question anymore? Why I think that wasn't the Jedi
• 3:01:41
  based upon Christian As well as some form of Buddhism all
• 3:01:46
  undergrads more, more Eastern religion, and Christianity, for
• 3:01:50
  sure. Well, can I tell a story?
• 3:01:55
  Sure. Did you pay the $5?
• 3:01:57
  Oh, when my son was really, really sick, we lived about an
• 3:02:06
  hour from the De Lucas, Ranch, and I don't know how it
• 3:02:10
  happened, but somebody got us that George Lucas would meet my
• 3:02:16
  son. My son was was dying.
• 3:02:20
  He was 5 years old, and he was a die-hard Star Wars fan and I
• 3:02:28
  wanted to Ask that question. I said, where did you get the
• 3:02:32
  inspiration for? I think I was referring to, you
• 3:02:39
  know, the one spot where I think it was Yoda and Obi-Wan and and
• 3:02:48
  Luke were all dead. No?
• 3:02:52
  Luke wasn't dead. I can't remember there were
• 3:02:54
  three little figures at the bottom of the screen, and they
• 3:02:57
  represented the spirits of the Dead Jedi's that were now able
• 3:03:02
  to do Return of the Jedi. Maybe because that's how that
• 3:03:07
  out. Because now that they were dead,
• 3:03:10
  they were able to guide Luke. And I that's how I taught my son
• 3:03:17
  about what was going to happen to him.
• 3:03:21
  I said, honey, when you're not really going to die, your body's
• 3:03:25
  going to die, but your spirit is going to live forever.
• 3:03:29
  And the cool thing about it was when they died, now they can
• 3:03:33
  guide Luke. Now they can talk to Luke.
• 3:03:36
  And so anyway, I asked George Lucas.
• 3:03:42
  I said, where did you get that inspiration?
• 3:03:47
  And he liked, change the subject and walked away.
• 3:03:50
  He didn't, he knew that there was a parallel with resurrection
• 3:03:53
  and he didn't want to, he didn't want to go there.
• 3:04:00
  The Bible does teach that you have an immortal Soul or Spirit
• 3:04:03
  that's separate from your physical body but it doesn't
• 3:04:06
  teach Spirit guiding like that. So it's gonna be kind of iffy on
• 3:04:12
  the where you got that inspiration from or you maybe
• 3:04:14
  just combined multiple Concepts and I think that's what he
• 3:04:18
  probably did. I think probably the only thing
• 3:04:21
  that I cared about was that my son would know that he wasn't
• 3:04:24
  going to die, right? He who Lives in me shall never
• 3:04:29
  die. And I used to think, wait a
• 3:04:32
  minute. What are you talking about?
• 3:04:35
  Everybody dies? He will live.
• 3:04:39
  Even though he dies. Yes, because he's referring only
• 3:04:43
  to the soul, not the body, the body will die, but the soul go
• 3:04:48
  on. Oh no, I'm close-grained, yeah,
• 3:04:52
  I'll say this, you know, I don't believe in so long, you know,
• 3:04:58
  not a duelist, I believe that, you know, the mind is probably
• 3:05:03
  the soul. But I will say that you know as
• 3:05:07
  an atheist that's always ask for proof.
• 3:05:09
  I think that one definitive proof would be for science to
• 3:05:12
  prove that there is a soul that mind is separate from body.
• 3:05:15
  And I think that we might even be able to do that within my
• 3:05:18
  lifetime. And I think that that would be
• 3:05:21
  at least some good evidence towards God belief.
• 3:05:24
  If the science is able to prove Duality and the fact that my
• 3:05:28
  mind and soul are separate You know, rage, it doesn't
• 3:05:34
  necessarily have to be separate from mind.
• 3:05:37
  Because it is the mind that doesn't die.
• 3:05:39
  That's the part of you. That's you, the thinking part.
• 3:05:42
  I think they definitely be connected but you know, speaking
• 3:05:45
  like The Duality part of it is, is it, is it supposed to be like
• 3:05:49
  a separate thing? But yeah, I think they're
• 3:05:50
  probably connected together, which I, you know, I don't
• 3:05:54
  believe in a soul but like you know, doing an internal critique
• 3:05:57
  on, on a duelist. Well, I think one of the things
• 3:06:00
  to me that proves that we have souls or Spirits, whatever you
• 3:06:04
  want to call it, that are separate from our minds and
• 3:06:06
  bodies. That in my daily life.
• 3:06:08
  There are times where thoughts will come into my head and then
• 3:06:12
  I'll ask myself. Wait why am I having these
• 3:06:15
  thoughts? And then I analyzed the thoughts
• 3:06:17
  to try and figure out what the heck is this.
• 3:06:20
  So the fact that we're able to analyze our own thought in that
• 3:06:22
  way, I think would be pretty strong evidence that we have
• 3:06:25
  souls or spirits that are separate from our brains.
• 3:06:29
  As far as the biological sense goes. wait, so what you're
• 3:06:36
  saying is The fact that you have thoughts drop into your brain
• 3:06:42
  means. Wait a minute, I'm sorry, I
• 3:06:44
  can't follow what you just said, the fact that you can analyze
• 3:06:47
  the thoughts that pop into your brain is proof that your they're
• 3:06:50
  not the same. There's two different things
• 3:06:53
  going on. It was if it was all one to me.
• 3:06:56
  I don't think I'd be capable of having the introspection that I
• 3:06:59
  do. If my mind and my soul were
• 3:07:02
  basically the same thing. If they were indistinguishable
• 3:07:05
  from each other in reality, In other words, being able to
• 3:07:09
  observe, something means you're outside of the something.
• 3:07:13
  You're able to observe your thoughts there for your outside
• 3:07:16
  of your thoughts and analyze them.
• 3:07:18
  Yeah. Right.
• 3:07:19
  But wouldn't that be explained by the subconscious?
• 3:07:23
  Because I was just in different parts of the burnt I could be a
• 3:07:26
  generation thousand and your conscious mind kind of goes a
• 3:07:30
  long way and the conscience actually the conscience that
• 3:07:36
  tells you Makes you feel bad when you do something wrong.
• 3:07:42
  I got. We met.
• 3:07:42
  You had a conscience yet. If you guys don't mind me asking
• 3:07:49
  from an atheist world you, how do you, how do you explain all
• 3:07:52
  tourism? I think you could be. sorry,
• 3:08:01
  Wild Well, I think we want something wild wild.
• 3:08:12
  I was trying to understand what you were saying, honey.
• 3:08:15
  I know I've told you guys again for he was basically responding
• 3:08:18
  with my yeah. Huh.
• 3:08:25
  Well, he was letting me know that he was here.
• 3:08:27
  Okay. All right.
• 3:08:30
  All right. So we ready for the question.
• 3:08:33
  Wait, I wanted to hear what he was saying.
• 3:08:37
  What were you saying wild about? Yeah, I'm just saying else to
• 3:08:42
  ISM. Come babe, basically just
• 3:08:44
  selfish. Basically, we don't want people
• 3:08:46
  to harmless, so nice to them, so they don't Hamels, he could all
• 3:08:51
  be purely selfish. So you're saying the reason
• 3:08:56
  altruistic is because we're selfish and we don't want to be
• 3:08:59
  harmed. Yeah.
• 3:09:00
  Like you're a survival thing. I think I might have the wrong
• 3:09:06
  definition on. What altruism is, altruism is
• 3:09:10
  when But you're willing to give up everything and there's no
• 3:09:14
  benefit or gain to it. I'll give you an example.
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  Wildheart, let's say you were raised as walking down the
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  street. You see an innocent child Cut
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  Loose from their parents run out in the road?
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  You know, the kids going to get killed you have just a moment to
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  be able to run out in the road, save the kid but you could get
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  killed in the process. Would you do that for a kid that
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  you don't even know? Well yeah, I definitely would I
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  don't think altruism comes from God by any Means I think that
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  again, that's just Evolution. I think that we have evolved to
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  be social creatures as Wild Hog Wild Heart was pointed out.
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  We had this self-interest, we understand that we don't want to
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  feel pain, so we don't want others to feel pain as an
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  atheist. I've been an Atheist for 25
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  years. I've given up all belief in God
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  is blasphemed, I've been called reprobate enemy of the church.
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  I'm probably. Like I said, one of the worst
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  atheist out there. I embrace it, but I still do
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  charity. I see, I have done political
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  work. I've worked with battered and Is
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  wise getting them away from their abusive husbands and I
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  consider all of that, you know, all altruism.
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  But I don't think that comes from God, that comes from how I
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  was raised. It comes from, you know, the
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  fact that I just, I have empathy.
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  I don't think all humans have empathy.
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  I think that there's definitely Psychopaths out there, but
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  humans have evolved to have empathy.
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  And I think that's what separates us from most other
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  animals. The trade still, would you, how
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  would you explain that? The idea is to spread your Deans
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  and the be able to survive. That's the rules of the Jungle.
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  If you allow yourself, it used to be right from existence, then
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  you know, it's going to be there for your loved ones.
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  Well, that was those rules of the Jungle existed would have
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  hated them to exist. They don't anymore.
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  We live in a different world. Now, you know, we're I mean, I
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  can pretty much right now which, you know, I have procreated so
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  my jeans will move on but you don't even really have to
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  procreate to do that anymore. I mean, You know, somebody has
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  mentioned earlier, you know, you know, all life comes from life.
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  Well up until now it has, but now we have science and we can
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  literally clone things from DNA. It doesn't have, I mean, in a
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  way is still coming from life but it's not coming from like
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  parents or something like that is literally humans are playing
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  God. No so it's I don't know.
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  I you know I think that you know Christians grasp on a Concepts
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  like these and I think that they should.
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  I think that once you grasp on the concepts like these that
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  makes you more humanistic makes you a better person.
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  Um, but at the same time, I just don't think that that this is
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  explained by God, because plenty of atheist exhibit this Behavior
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  as well. That Ecology of time you wanted
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  to say, yeah, I'll be brief. You know?
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  And I say the same thing, you know, atheists are just as
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  capable of showings of moral moralities much as any Christian
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  or any of the theist. The problem comes when you
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  having feel philosophical discussions about whether or not
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  the morality is objective or subjective, And that's I think
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  that's where the atheist is is hindered.
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  When they tried to defend the their position regarding
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  morality, you know, we can both agree that rape is wrong.
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  The problem is though that the atheist worldview cannot give an
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  account as to how we know that it's intrinsically wrong.
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  They're always, they're often stuck with some form of
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  pragmatism utilitarianism conventionalism or something
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  like that which are all rooted in some way, shape, or form to
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  subjectivity, but it's not Really telling us whether or not
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  the thing in and of itself, despite how it negatively or
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  positively affects someone is moral or immoral.
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  The Christian worldview can give an account for these things but
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  not the atheist View and if that's all that they want and
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  you know, that's fine with me. You know, we hate.
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  Let's both agree. That rape is wrong.
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  Pedophilia is wrong. You know.
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  Hold hands and sing Kumbaya, but that's as far as it's gonna go
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  when it comes to the philosophical discussion.
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  That's where they're there. Some issues.
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  I would say, within the atheist world, you know, I'm not much of
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  a philosopher. So I, you know, I try to stay
• 3:13:16
  away from that type of philosophical conversation.
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  I am starting to learn but there's plenty of atheist out
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  there that don't run away from it at all.
• 3:13:23
  In fact, hold their own, Sean Carroll.
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  There's a this one. Dude, I can't remember his name.
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  He's a philosophy. Professor at Harvard.
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  He's been encircled. I just can't remember his name.
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  He's brilliant. He actually specializes in that
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  conversation. I don't think that we're
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  hindered and all in fact. We give the same answer.
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  You say? Your morality is grounded in
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  God. I say Evolution, I say how I was
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  raised to society around me, but if you say my answers is wrong,
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  I could easily just as easily say your answer is wrong.
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  Well, if your morality is grounded in God, then all you
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  have to do is prove God to prove your morality.
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  If not, if you can't prove said God then you know your morality
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  just comes from the same place. All of ours does.
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  Hey guys, we're gonna have you.
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  I'm doing pretty good. How are you?
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  Yeah, I just wanted to send love to you all.
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  I wanted to first of all, say, like And subscribe.
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  Cindy, Lincoln rage wildheart Adam vehicle, Adam lore and of
• 3:14:43
  course Brett keen. And I just wanted to thank you
• 3:14:49
  so much Bible studies. I've heard all the hay and I
• 3:14:58
  love the Bible studies. They are our skeptic Bible
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  studies but we've actually had a lot of atheist and theist on
• 3:15:04
  there. They have it.
• 3:15:06
  Who's doing Bible studies who so I and James W, we both run a
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  Bible study. Okay.
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  Yeah. You are a Believer or a
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  non-believer. You said an unbeliever.
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  Yes. How many but you do Bible
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  studies. Yes.
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  Yes. Sir we do, we called skeptic
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  Bible studies were going through the Bible.
• 3:15:29
  Chapter through chapter, we are in Deuteronomy right now but I
• 3:15:33
  think we're all noticed but 60, which is great.
• 3:15:35
  I'm just curious though. So, so I'm just curious, you
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  know, it's not not a, not a jab at you or anything.
• 3:15:41
  I'm just curious what drives, a non-believer besides looking for
• 3:15:45
  loopholes. I mean, contradictions in the
• 3:15:47
  Bible, what what's, what drives are non-believers such as
• 3:15:50
  yourself, who is willfully disbelieving, and to do it
• 3:15:55
  guilty, as charged on almost the opening is that?
• 3:15:59
  Yes, we we can't help ourselves by taking a look at where we
• 3:16:04
  think are contradictions, but we actually we think that if we go
• 3:16:09
  through it in order because we often get the the knots not
• 3:16:15
  accusation, the accusation that we take it out of context and so
• 3:16:19
  we really did want to go through it just word-for-word and we try
• 3:16:24
  and make it entertaining because we, sometimes we play with some
• 3:16:28
  of the language even though you can see the King James Bible and
• 3:16:31
  the screen, but it has been fun and Illuminating The boring
• 3:16:38
  stuff has been just as exciting as the like the hits like Moses.
• 3:16:43
  And so, the answer your question, I think non-believers
• 3:16:48
  like the Bible and the holy text just as much as Believers
• 3:16:52
  because once we understand it, we can make a valid decision.
• 3:16:58
  Either confirms our belief or change your mind, Amy, can I ask
• 3:17:07
  you something? You're not upset with me for
• 3:17:09
  earlier. Are you know I always enjoy the
• 3:17:14
  spice and both sides. I feel bad because I said that I
• 3:17:20
  just wanted to make sure I came on because I said I was going
• 3:17:23
  to, I just feel bad because in a second I have two hands in a
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  homework assignment but I can't help myself.
• 3:17:30
  I love these types of discussions.
• 3:17:35
  I wanted to bring up something on altruism also.
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  Did you say you had a question? Well yeah, we were talking about
• 3:17:42
  altruism and and why would someone give up everything
• 3:17:47
  including the love of their family and their I guess their
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  tribe for someone they don't even know someone.
• 3:17:53
  That isn't even bringing in resources or help and that kind
• 3:17:57
  of mentality. But I Amy the reason why I asked
• 3:17:59
  you if you're upset with me, as I got into it with pz Myers
• 3:18:03
  insulted me and we kind of went It back and forth for a little
• 3:18:07
  bit there. I hope that the offend you see,
• 3:18:10
  I call that the spice. I'm sending love to you and pz
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  Myers. And all I could say to that is
• 3:18:19
  Hearts, you both. Well, I love you, Amy, and I'm
• 3:18:23
  glad you came in. You guys talked a little bit.
• 3:18:25
  I'm going to have a smoke, everybody's wonderful here.
• 3:18:28
  So I expect no no drama except for a little bit.
• 3:18:33
  Wanted to say something about altruism.
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  Yes, I just wanted to say that. I think there is a good example
• 3:18:44
  of altruism in. If we just look at something
• 3:18:48
  like a kitten or a puppy. In that one of the main drivers
• 3:18:55
  is that we have a sympathetic bent that once we have adopted
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  or started to take care of them, it feels good in the same manner
• 3:19:07
  that it feels good to raise your children or to help buddy in
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  need. And when they get food and water
• 3:19:18
  you actually are getting dopamine.
• 3:19:21
  You are Watching them and you're going there healthy.
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  It's pure water. It's great food.
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  This actually makes me feel good.
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  And so this has transpired to where they have been able to
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  pass their genetics, along on the back of us, getting the the
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  rush of it feeling so good to do good.
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  That's precious. I don't think, you know, I
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  wouldn't agree with the evolutionary component of what
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  you said, but I definitely. And the other thing is that, not
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  everybody feels that not everybody has empathy and
• 3:20:05
  compassion and love. But I also think that we could
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  probably do some sort of statistical analysis, I think
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  the vast majority do but that being said there is a enough of
• 3:20:20
  a percentage who don't that we need to actively Safeguard and
• 3:20:26
  them that is where, you know, Jo reform and all that other type
• 3:20:31
  of system comes in for actual Psychopaths to commit crimes and
• 3:20:35
  others. Well, and if some people have it
• 3:20:39
  and some people don't then it can't necessarily imply God.
• 3:20:46
  yeah, but look, people don't some something wrong with the
• 3:20:49
  actually something physically wrong with being a Psychopaths
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  and sociopaths There is a reason.
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  Yeah, but I'm not so quick to let him off the hook.
• 3:20:57
  Honey. That's so quick.
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  Let him off the hook. You can't hurt other people.
• 3:21:04
  And then say, Oh no, I'm not. Take the key and lock them up.
• 3:21:25
  Somebody start some trouble, brackets back and that was it,
• 3:21:38
  but he would expect me to do it. So it wouldn't be a surprise me.
• 3:21:44
  I heard you want to show the other night and you did such a
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  great job. I don't know if you saw me
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  consult very much. I on a panel.
• 3:21:55
  Yes. The debate con panel.
• 3:21:58
  I'm not really sure and I don't even know how I came across it,
• 3:22:02
  but I'm just like that's Amy and it was it was a very awkward
• 3:22:08
  conversation but you just were able to stay logical and
• 3:22:18
  present. I don't know.
• 3:22:20
  I was just you did a great job. Well, thank you so very much.
• 3:22:25
  If it's the panel you're talking about, I agree.
• 3:22:28
  It was a difficult conversation and yet, I think at the end of
• 3:22:32
  it, I think I understood and I think everyone understood shot
• 3:22:36
  each other's views a little bit better, right?
• 3:22:40
  And that was the goal. I was doing the pizza from
• 3:22:46
  Holland without the 11. I know it has a spicy title in
• 3:22:54
  and of itself which is just, I think it was.
• 3:22:59
  I can't. I'm trying to think of the way
• 3:23:01
  they called CRT and France. Well, welcome back, spent CR
• 3:23:09
  t--. Well, That was the big thing
• 3:23:15
  was, where you hear music and your panel, who's me, everything
• 3:23:29
  they were having CRT and the other issue on the same.
• 3:23:35
  What's the connection? I think the connection was were
• 3:23:39
  about to have a spicy time but you're right, I agree.
• 3:23:43
  Sending love. I love modern day debate.
• 3:23:45
  It's so funny. Even though I would say gender
• 3:23:51
  often gets them. A lot of focus, I tend to think
• 3:23:57
  theologically feel so philosophically and
• 3:24:00
  scientifically. So I just really appreciate
• 3:24:05
  everything that you said Cindy and I just want to say
• 3:24:08
  everything that you do Thank you, honey.
• 3:24:11
  You guys mind, if I ask you a question.
• 3:24:19
  Supposed to say yeah, would you guys say that evolution is a
• 3:24:25
  process of order or chaos? I would say it's asking if it's
• 3:24:34
  not randant yeah it's not one of them but it's not like I did.
• 3:24:38
  It's not plugged, I would say well those their order and
• 3:24:41
  purpose to it or is it yeah all right I will say oh the not
• 3:24:46
  necessarily purpose depending on what you mean by purpose.
• 3:24:50
  You know. There's a purpose.
• 3:24:55
  Yeah, no, it's not like the pre-fund purpose.
• 3:24:59
  There is a purpose in why the evolution happens.
• 3:25:03
  But it's not like guy, dude. It's not directed to normal.
• 3:25:07
  It's the only purpose. I would love to hear a like a
• 3:25:14
  biologist answer to that question.
• 3:25:16
  Honestly, I usually don't like to speak.
• 3:25:20
  If I don't know the answer, I don't want to utter one.
• 3:25:23
  I will say that I will say this. The idea of a god makes more
• 3:25:27
  sense of God guided Evolution as opposed to just created man
• 3:25:30
  6,000 years ago. If you can put God there, as the
• 3:25:34
  guiding force of evolution. I think you have a better
• 3:25:36
  argument for God. Then you would with a literal
• 3:25:39
  interpretation of the Bible rage.
• 3:25:41
  Can I show you what Darwin said? Let me see what you think of
• 3:25:45
  this. What do you think of that right
• 3:25:47
  there? So says another source of
• 3:25:49
  conviction in the existence of God connected with the reason
• 3:25:52
  and not with the feelings. Impresses me as having much more
• 3:25:54
  weight. This follows from the extreme
• 3:25:55
  difficulty or rather in possibility of conceiving, this
• 3:25:58
  immense and wonderful Universe including man, with his capacity
• 3:26:01
  looking far backwards and far into Futurity as the result of
• 3:26:04
  blind chance or necessity when thus reflecting I feel compelled
• 3:26:07
  to look at a fur to a first cause having an old intellect
• 3:26:11
  intelligent mind in some degree, analogous to that of Maine, and
• 3:26:15
  I deserve to be called a theist doesn't surprise me.
• 3:26:18
  He was a man of his time. He was the theist.
• 3:26:20
  He was also a bit racist though. Not as racist as most of, you
• 3:26:25
  know, most people in his time, he was rather Progressive in his
• 3:26:27
  racism, so yeah. No, I didn't surprise me, I knew
• 3:26:31
  that Darwin was a theist and he probably as he was coming up
• 3:26:35
  with a theory or he didn't even really come up with a theory.
• 3:26:38
  He just dedicated his life to it, but as he was dedicating his
• 3:26:42
  life to it, I believe that he believed God guided it.
• 3:26:46
  Plus all his family would very Christians.
• 3:26:48
  Well yeah, yeah, he was a man of his time and if I could just
• 3:26:52
  addendum onto that, I think he would have identified strongly
• 3:26:56
  of huxley's agnostic, which he coined.
• 3:27:00
  Oh yeah. I agree with that too.
• 3:27:02
  It's really hard to nail down because you know, there's so
• 3:27:04
  many quotes of them theistic quotes, but there's also a lot
• 3:27:07
  of agnostic quotes. So yeah, I think, I think, you
• 3:27:09
  know, in the modern time if like, if he was alive today, he
• 3:27:13
  would probably claim agnostic. Let's go.
• 3:27:16
  Say I have several books on Charles, Darwin's life on my
• 3:27:19
  shelf over here off camera. And they basically talk about
• 3:27:23
  how, well, he did profess belief in God and various writings of
• 3:27:26
  his. He also was in an environment
• 3:27:29
  where, basically, you had to profess belief in God really, to
• 3:27:33
  go anywhere in your career. So it's highly possible that he
• 3:27:37
  maybe didn't even believe in God, but just pretended to, but,
• 3:27:41
  like what said earlier? There's just a lot of different
• 3:27:44
  accounts about His life and what he did.
• 3:27:47
  And so it's hard to figure out exactly what.
• 3:27:49
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 3:27:51
  It's kind of like Hitler, you know, Hitler was placating to
• 3:27:54
  the Christians when he first did his thing.
• 3:27:56
  So but we also have plenty of instances.
• 3:27:58
  Where Hitler was like totally, you know, anti anti Christian,
• 3:28:02
  you know, like he was planning on doing a de Christians, what
• 3:28:05
  he had done to the Jews, so he was probably a Norse Pagan, but
• 3:28:10
  yeah, probably. But that's still some sort of
• 3:28:14
  theistic now. Yeah, he was He was what he was
• 3:28:18
  definitely steeped in mythology for sure.
• 3:28:22
  Wasn't you using the cloak of Christianity in order to hide
• 3:28:26
  his? Well yeah yeah yeah.
• 3:28:32
  He definitely got the Protestants in Germany to back
• 3:28:34
  him up for sure. Just like on him.
• 3:28:39
  I think his youth group was called something Christian
• 3:28:41
  Youth. And it was basically a Christian
• 3:28:48
  both in public and private. His first concordant with, with
• 3:28:52
  the Catholic Church to let them teach in the schools, he had
• 3:28:56
  governments on the belts. He was quite the asleep yet.
• 3:29:01
  Here's knots. But you know, is what I'm saying
• 3:29:09
  that he was using it, but it looks like politicians today.
• 3:29:12
  Use Get their votes. Well, I believe he was theistic
• 3:29:17
  now whether or not, whether or not, he was Christian, I think
• 3:29:20
  that's Up For Debate, but I think he was definitely
• 3:29:22
  theistic. He was definitely into the
• 3:29:24
  occult. We know that for a fact, so he
• 3:29:26
  definitely using Christianity as a political mechanism, right?
• 3:29:31
  Like to thank you. But can I just answer your
• 3:29:37
  question about Chaos and Order? Will you be you be way better
• 3:29:43
  out of the me a me so please? Well, it's an interesting
• 3:29:47
  question and I think that it actually contains both, I would
• 3:29:53
  say that the chaos would be the mutation in that mutations are
• 3:30:00
  random and you can't really guess them into existence.
• 3:30:04
  They just happen whether you were laying on the beach for too
• 3:30:08
  long. Or you just Genetic mix that has
• 3:30:12
  a mutation. I would say that's chaotic where
• 3:30:16
  the order comes in. I would say, as natural
• 3:30:18
  selection or rather the environment selecting for those
• 3:30:24
  mutations. Because the example, I normally
• 3:30:27
  would use is two different butterflies or moths pick your
• 3:30:35
  either. One if you're in a forest, that
• 3:30:38
  is green and And one of them is blue, and one of them is green
• 3:30:45
  and they both of these genetic mutations, have no effect.
• 3:30:50
  The the insect doesn't actually know what color they are.
• 3:30:55
  Well, it just turns out that the environment, the green leaves,
• 3:30:59
  provide a natural camouflage of one.
• 3:31:01
  By one, the blue bugs get picked off until there's nothing left
• 3:31:07
  but cream and so I would say it's those two combinations that
• 3:31:10
  have. Turns out both Chaos and Order.
• 3:31:13
  Yeah, that's a good work with intellectual.
• 3:31:16
  Where did the different colors come?
• 3:31:17
  That's a good. Good thing to good way of
• 3:31:21
  putting it also and brings out the nuances.
• 3:31:24
  However, may I point out that green rain, forests are full of
• 3:31:29
  colorful life. And so the whole thing about
• 3:31:33
  camouflage doesn't always work. Well, I'm so I agree with you
• 3:31:41
  but it's just that, it depends. On the environment, I would say
• 3:31:45
  I was just using green because a lot of because of photosynthetic
• 3:31:49
  cells just tend to turn out that color but you're right.
• 3:31:54
  It can be if you are in a snow-covered Forest, then you're
• 3:31:59
  actually going to probably select fours about that.
• 3:32:03
  Looks like Snot you fret for Pure Wham.
• 3:32:06
  Yeah. So I understand you were just
• 3:32:08
  using that as an example of selection but it just reminded
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  me of a debunk to the whole selecting for camouflage Theory
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  because obviously there are Redbirds and blue butterflies
• 3:32:28
  and you know, Orange It that wouldn't be true.
• 3:32:35
  If collection for camouflage were a real thing.
• 3:32:42
  Well, thanks a lot sin is kind of confused Miss, don't be
• 3:32:44
  selected by some something that's actually thinking it's
• 3:32:47
  just basically which one's get killed the most of which ones
• 3:32:51
  die the mask on the snow thing is a real thing.
• 3:32:58
  We do know that hairs and foxes Widen the snow.
• 3:33:03
  So I guess the answer again, would be both sometimes it
• 3:33:08
  selects for camo and sometimes it does not.
• 3:33:12
  Yeah, bullies nature given the selected.
• 3:33:14
  It's not a, it's not mine. No I mean is there Wellman was
• 3:33:19
  like and in fact why don't mind either?
• 3:33:24
  I think we need to find an alternative word to select
• 3:33:27
  because nature cannot perform an action that would require
• 3:33:30
  intelligence Input. So yeah.
• 3:33:33
  I think we need a different words and selection in regards
• 3:33:36
  to this process. Yeah.
• 3:33:38
  Also really important thing about selection is it can only
• 3:33:42
  select from available alleles, right?
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  So for example you can't take a single celled organism that only
• 3:33:50
  has the alleles for a single-celled organism and have
• 3:33:54
  it select for something. Different than a single-celled
• 3:33:59
  organism. It can't grow an arm, it can't
• 3:34:02
  grow a long, it can't grow anything other than the alleles
• 3:34:05
  that it already has. The can't add new information
• 3:34:09
  that didn't previously exist. It can only reshuffle, what's
• 3:34:12
  already there? And to new and interesting
• 3:34:14
  arrangements or it can remove information, but we've never
• 3:34:17
  seen information. Be added, right?
• 3:34:20
  And mutations are usually removals or Miss copies not A
• 3:34:28
  new function, or a new appendage.
• 3:34:35
  Or a vagina. I don't know if you saw that
• 3:34:38
  part of the show, of course, I see what you did there.
• 3:34:42
  You guys ready for another question.
• 3:34:46
  Sure. Yeah, it's here.
• 3:34:48
  It's here. I have to go but not because I
• 3:34:52
  don't love you all. You gotta go.
• 3:34:56
  Yes. But I will be back to be
• 3:34:59
  continued for more great discussions.
• 3:35:01
  But I'm here for the last Jesus. Whoa.
• 3:35:03
  All right, well, Amy. I do want to let you know, I do
• 3:35:06
  schedule my shows. And usually, it's Monday
• 3:35:08
  Wednesday and Friday. I should.
• 3:35:10
  He just got, if you just go to the front of the channel, you
• 3:35:13
  can look. They're right up there at the
• 3:35:15
  top. Or you can click reminder what,
• 3:35:17
  you know that you do, all some shows yourself so there it is.
• 3:35:21
  There it is. Okay, so the question is
• 3:35:24
  Stephen, Hawking was asked us. So was Richard Dawkins Lawrence
• 3:35:28
  Krauss and a few others is the universe logical and rational
• 3:35:32
  and they said that their their response was and has to be or we
• 3:35:36
  wouldn't be able to do science with that the consistency in the
• 3:35:39
  patterns. Do you agree with that?
• 3:35:43
  Yep. Yeah, I kind of need the stuff
• 3:35:48
  there to be able to do science. well, and the fact that the
• 3:35:54
  things that have been produced by the processes that be are all
• 3:36:00
  logical and rational, I mean, We wouldn't exist if we didn't have
• 3:36:10
  hearts and lungs and mouths and like the term you're thinking of
• 3:36:16
  is irreducible complexity. Just the other day we had this
• 3:36:29
  asteroid hit Earth. We only had like a two-hour
• 3:36:32
  warning, right? At any moment, a giant asteroid
• 3:36:35
  can end everything, right? I think we see it, we see it, we
• 3:36:39
  see it. We observe it and the universe
• 3:36:40
  all the time, you know, I'm not I'm not a person that likes to
• 3:36:43
  argue against really, really smart people.
• 3:36:45
  I'd really have to look into it, but I think I think you can look
• 3:36:48
  into the universe and see. Plenty of Chaos.
• 3:36:51
  That's definitely true. But God happening as it's going
• 3:36:56
  to say, bible-believing Christians, would explain
• 3:36:58
  whatever chaos you referring to as well.
• 3:37:02
  The fall that occurred in the Garden of Eden, brought not just
• 3:37:05
  sin into the world but also brought death and physical
• 3:37:08
  Decay. And any other form of what you
• 3:37:11
  would, I guess, consider, natural chaos, all of that.
• 3:37:14
  According to the biblical worldview is the consequence of
• 3:37:17
  man's Rebellion against God back at the beginning.
• 3:37:21
  Let's go to rigid. Mysterious Les, you got more
• 3:37:26
  wild. I can't understand.
• 3:37:28
  You honey say it again. I'm sorry my accent.
• 3:37:31
  I'll just saying if that doesn't work then just say, God works in
• 3:37:33
  mysterious ways. Definitely those of you ain't
• 3:37:37
  nothing wrong with that, right? I gotta I got kind of a loop to
• 3:37:42
  my question though. I will hit this is kind of a
• 3:37:46
  gotcha thing. Can you describe something that
• 3:37:49
  is logical and rational that Have a mind.
• 3:37:54
  You know, washing almost by definition, you gotta have
• 3:37:57
  something that's rational doesn't have a mind at all.
• 3:37:59
  Think it's true. Rational kind of means mind.
• 3:38:03
  Yeah, nice trick question their bread.
• 3:38:06
  Well, this is a question that was asked by a fellow, by the
• 3:38:10
  name of John Lennox. He asked all these scientists us
• 3:38:14
  and they all agreed because they're all in the mathematics
• 3:38:17
  and they do realize there's a system of order going on here.
• 3:38:20
  And that's the thing can logic and rationality Be perceived, if
• 3:38:25
  there's not a mind or Consciousness existence.
• 3:38:28
  So that's rough. Something to think about, folks,
• 3:38:30
  something really, to think about the only one, that wasn't a
• 3:38:34
  problem with the word random because the universe has kind of
• 3:38:38
  physical walls. So it's not, it's not random
• 3:38:42
  visible well, and it's not really that much of a gotcha
• 3:38:45
  question either. I mean, you know, like we have
• 3:38:48
  mine. So that's maybe it's what makes
• 3:38:51
  us unique it. Maybe it's not, I don't know.
• 3:38:52
  I can't. I've never been able to be
• 3:38:54
  inside of a dog and see if it thinks, right?
• 3:38:57
  So but we have Minds, we know this and we process things,
• 3:39:00
  logically and rationally. Usually, you know, I think most
• 3:39:04
  of us at least think we do, right?
• 3:39:06
  So the mines exist now, right? So, you know, for order to be in
• 3:39:13
  chaos, or if there's order or some.
• 3:39:16
  So, you know, for some intelligence to control that
• 3:39:18
  order in the universe, I think you would need.
• 3:39:19
  It need to see it consistently throughout Andy.
• 3:39:23
  Have to explain a lot of non necessary actions in the
• 3:39:26
  universe behind that mind, right?
• 3:39:28
  Like I don't know. I just don't think it makes very
• 3:39:30
  much sense to say that there needs to be a mind.
• 3:39:32
  Guiding this universe, considering how vast it is.
• 3:39:34
  I think it's really a logic. Like if you want to talk about
• 3:39:37
  logic, it's really illogical to think that considering the
• 3:39:40
  vastness of the universe that one mind controls all of that.
• 3:39:44
  Well, you do believe is this the actual Aiden?
• 3:39:48
  Let's go. Yeah, it's me.
• 3:39:51
  Okay, just making sure it's the real age.
• 3:39:53
  All right. See ya.
• 3:39:54
  I just wanted to say real quick, I don't know.
• 3:40:01
  Amy, who was speaking earlier? She seems like a really pleasant
• 3:40:07
  person and, oh, you still here No, I'm speaking for her.
• 3:40:12
  That's her name. Oh, okay.
• 3:40:15
  Yeah, it seems like a really really nice person.
• 3:40:18
  So I just want to put that out there, her Channel product but
• 3:40:23
  he has been pretty cool tonight. She is cool.
• 3:40:25
  She actually runs a lot of good debates and discussions.
• 3:40:28
  I went on her show and the non-believers and hang out with
• 3:40:32
  their pretty Pleasant, except for pz Myers.
• 3:40:34
  I had this been him over my knee and spank his ass but uh, it was
• 3:40:42
  He's mean and Amy's link is in private chat.
• 3:40:52
  People want to subscribe to her. I think that she has returned.
• 3:40:56
  Let me make sure this isn't a sock account of somebody trying
• 3:40:59
  to throw me. Hold on one second.
• 3:41:01
  Is that you give me a lift? Hey, when it does that.
• 3:41:11
  The windows gods. Um, you're gonna be happy.
• 3:41:19
  I've been plugging your channel. I was telling people they need
• 3:41:22
  to go over and subscribe to you that I woo-hoos contained.
• 3:41:27
  Well, thank you so very much. You know what?
• 3:41:29
  I just wanted my final thing to be to say to.
• 3:41:33
  You should also subscribe to brackeen, like, And subscribe
• 3:41:37
  that button is right down there and also, I gave shoutouts to
• 3:41:42
  everyone. Tto are do you Would show some
• 3:41:46
  YouTube. Same thing.
• 3:41:49
  Amy. Okay.
• 3:41:49
  Now I know who this Amy is. Okay.
• 3:41:51
  Also on also a bunch of other sites to well videos.
• 3:41:58
  I tried to messenger you and I couldn't find you on what
• 3:42:02
  Messenger on Facebook. I'm not on Facebook.
• 3:42:07
  Oh, that's why you couldn't find me a post, a post your link out
• 3:42:11
  in the comments so I can advertise your, but yeah, look,
• 3:42:16
  guys and gals. It is fantastic.
• 3:42:19
  All the people on here, content creators, you should be liking
• 3:42:22
  and subscribing to them. I love you all and hope you have
• 3:42:27
  a fantastic night or day. Good luck on your good night,
• 3:42:30
  Amy, She interviewed me second after AJ, she was the second one
• 3:42:43
  to help me come out against Kent hovind.
• 3:42:47
  She was very kind to me. That's your name.
• 3:42:50
  In Peril. I don't have nothing bad to say
• 3:42:53
  about Amy the other one that you mentioned no hoof.
• 3:42:59
  Yeah, EZ pz Myers is not the most pleasant person in the
• 3:43:03
  world to put it lightly. I keep hearing his name pz
• 3:43:06
  Myers. Who is this?
• 3:43:07
  Pz Myers. I keep Hearing about you don't
• 3:43:09
  remember right now, very sweet my video where he was asked by
• 3:43:13
  living you know, Living Waters as right, right Comfort.
• 3:43:17
  Yeah, the Banana Man. People got confused by you,
• 3:43:20
  don't say Ray Comfort alone. Banana man will think I'm Tom
• 3:43:23
  messing me up said he was asked, he was asked a question, I does.
• 3:43:29
  He believe he evolved from a fish and Ray Comfort asking the
• 3:43:32
  she goes, oh, we're still fish and stuff so people but people
• 3:43:37
  keep calling him. The Atheist mermaid now and I
• 3:43:40
  like doing that to him and it pisses him off.
• 3:43:44
  Fires still a fish evolution vs. God movie.
• 3:43:51
  Yeah but we but we Christians but we Christians are to
• 3:43:56
  dum-dums. Okay, got it, got it.
• 3:43:59
  I know what he meant. You don't change away from you.
• 3:44:02
  Can't lie was still in inverse of that.
• 3:44:04
  So you know, you don't care, may prefer.
• 3:44:09
  No, but I know what he meant. Amen.
• 3:44:13
  Hey wildheart. Well hurt.
• 3:44:15
  We're not still in vertebrates. Once we got a backbone.
• 3:44:17
  We were vertebrates, invertebrates.
• 3:44:20
  Well, yeah, when show, but the mistake is revealing because
• 3:44:23
  we're not in vertebrates. I was once we got a backbone, we
• 3:44:26
  became vertebrates. I was gonna say, if you toss me
• 3:44:29
  the ocean, you'll fucking doubt that I'm not a fish.
• 3:44:32
  Yeah, yeah. That's like less.
• 3:44:34
  Your name is Daryl Hannah? Yeah, once the primates
• 3:44:38
  allegedly, learn how to roller skate and stuff that's that
• 3:44:41
  takes care of the fish. Problem.
• 3:44:45
  Some people smell like fish, but yeah, Mr, oath or something like
• 3:44:56
  that. And so what woman starts All
• 3:45:06
  right, we ready for another question.
• 3:45:09
  Topic going, hook it up, Brett, hook it up.
• 3:45:12
  One more for me and then I got to run.
• 3:45:15
  All right. Okay, let's see who that's a
• 3:45:20
  rough when I don't know, if I want to go with that one and we
• 3:45:24
  can't do that to us now. All right, I'm gonna ask a
• 3:45:27
  really hardcore question here. If the United States of America,
• 3:45:31
  as well as other countries adopted the idea of opening
• 3:45:34
  clinics at Loud. People from 13 years old, and up
• 3:45:39
  by their own. Willful choice, to go to an
• 3:45:41
  organization to be put down like a sick animal, such as suicide.
• 3:45:45
  Would you all be okay with that? No, no short answer.
• 3:45:52
  No long answer, never tear it down a little bit.
• 3:46:03
  I don't, I don't understand it. Your life.
• 3:46:20
  I think you should have that option, but I would definitely
• 3:46:23
  be against, you know, clinics opening up for assisted suicide
• 3:46:26
  for. I don't know, you know, just
• 3:46:29
  anybody. So you don't think that someone
• 3:46:33
  would be able to say? Yeah, I want you to help me
• 3:46:37
  commit suicide because I need to help save the Earth, by reducing
• 3:46:41
  the carbon footprint. Yeah, good.
• 3:46:44
  Yeah. I cherish life too much.
• 3:46:47
  Yeah. In fact, it's funny you bring
• 3:46:48
  that up, Brett, because I thought I saw somebody in one of
• 3:46:52
  these live streams, maybe a month or two ago, talking about
• 3:46:56
  that they're actually pods out there somewhere over there
• 3:46:59
  overseas. Where people can Should get
• 3:47:01
  inside and big shut it. And they shut themselves inside
• 3:47:05
  these little pods, and they killed themselves in them.
• 3:47:09
  Yeah, they're real. I think you think you think too
• 3:47:12
  long a future? No, that's not.
• 3:47:15
  No, it's not a cartoon met. They have pictures of it.
• 3:47:19
  These little pods that you can't rare.
• 3:47:22
  There are areas around the world.
• 3:47:23
  You can go to, I don't know about the pods or something, but
• 3:47:27
  I do know that there are areas and different parts of countries
• 3:47:30
  where you can go and they will put you down if that's what you
• 3:47:33
  want, I think so. I seldom does it Manuel Manuel.
• 3:47:36
  Yeah, okay. I have it.
• 3:47:39
  Googled bbc.com maker of suicide pod plans to launch in
• 3:47:46
  Switzerland. The company is with the printed
• 3:47:49
  pod which can help carry out. Assisted suicide said, it's
• 3:47:53
  confident, it can be used in Switzerland.
• 3:48:02
  Would you mind sharing my screen?
• 3:48:05
  Sure, sure. All you got something Sharon and
• 3:48:07
  Screen. All right, like in real quick.
• 3:48:11
  Like personally I find that atrocious in an era where middle
• 3:48:14
  mental health issues are out of control for almost everybody.
• 3:48:17
  Everybody's got something right. I just fight like why add on to
• 3:48:21
  the problem? Why give people and just like
• 3:48:23
  these easy options, it just doesn't seem right to me.
• 3:48:28
  What do you mean give them these easy options?
• 3:48:31
  Well, you know, like just make it easy for them, you know, like
• 3:48:33
  it should be hard. Like it should, I don't know, I
• 3:48:37
  just don't, I don't think that we should, we should be adding
• 3:48:40
  on to the problem of mental health in the world.
• 3:48:42
  You know, mental health issues on the world.
• 3:48:44
  I just don't think we should be doing it.
• 3:48:48
  I guess it depends on your definition of adding onto
• 3:48:50
  because I definitely do take the side of.
• 3:48:52
  I forget the, the prayer, the particular person who said this.
• 3:48:55
  But yeah, someone's in a lot of chronic pain and their of sound
• 3:48:58
  mind, and that can be demonstrated to be of sound
• 3:49:01
  mind. I don't see why it's necessarily
• 3:49:03
  an issue to allow them to To have assisted suicide as an
• 3:49:06
  option. If anything it's something,
• 3:49:08
  which would be a lot more painless and a lot easier of a
• 3:49:11
  waiver and their lives than what I definitely agree with that.
• 3:49:14
  Like, if it's, you know, if they're in chronic pain, like if
• 3:49:16
  their whole life is pain I and they are of sound mind to make
• 3:49:20
  that choice. I think they should be able to
• 3:49:22
  make that choice but just for, you know, like just for I don't
• 3:49:25
  know Adam who didn't like what happened in school on Tuesday,
• 3:49:28
  to be able to go and buy a pod that he can die and I, yeah, I
• 3:49:32
  don't think that's a good option.
• 3:49:34
  I think most people Hold on a second kylo kylo says that he's
• 3:49:38
  blocked. Let me look in the guess thing
• 3:49:40
  and see if that's you guys. Really not realize this but
• 3:49:45
  Brett's mommy did this. She was just kind of carrion.
• 3:49:49
  She did she killed herself? Kyle is in there, I can't be
• 3:49:53
  promise. I'm gonna be nice to kylo.
• 3:49:55
  They're trying to take my channel down right now.
• 3:49:57
  Oh yeah. For some reason.
• 3:50:36
  Let's see. What I remember.
• 3:50:38
  One of those is a master confuse this with Omegle the exterior
• 3:50:41
  opening. Yeah, you guys might think this
• 3:50:44
  old. Yeah, this guy got up on camera
• 3:50:47
  and he said, I'm an atheist and then he stood up and he wanted
• 3:50:50
  to pull his dingdong out. And I said, my goodness, are you
• 3:50:53
  like more than just a belief and deities?
• 3:50:57
  I have them. All right, hold on a second.
• 3:51:01
  Let me make sure that he doesn't try to put up a wee.
• 3:51:04
  Wee. He's been Kind of unusual
• 3:51:05
  lately. I don't know.
• 3:51:07
  Kyle. Oh, how you doing?
• 3:51:09
  Hey, I love how you boil the or I should say poison The Strain
• 3:51:17
  there. By thinking that me of anybody,
• 3:51:20
  you would have to worry about porn bombing yourself.
• 3:51:22
  Thank you for showing. No dad, you hang out with a
• 3:51:25
  pedo. What am I supposed to think?
• 3:51:27
  Yeah, yeah, we know that's not true, either Brett.
• 3:51:30
  So I really don't know, Jana style have an honest
• 3:51:33
  conversation. If you guys really want, Will's
• 3:51:35
  already. What had?
• 3:51:36
  Go ahead have an honest conversation I'm going to go
• 3:51:39
  have me a smoke, you go out and have an honest conversation, be
• 3:51:42
  right back. Well yeah, yeah.
• 3:51:45
  So Brett sleeping because he is that a self profession of that.
• 3:51:50
  He can't have an honest conversation.
• 3:51:52
  Oh no he just. He goes to smoke every 20-30
• 3:51:55
  minutes or so he yeah he's always been like that.
• 3:52:01
  You think that I did something to your channel?
• 3:52:04
  What is this? This now, because this is the
• 3:52:06
  first I'm hearing of it was Smoky.
• 3:52:07
  See and smokies. People are flagging the hell out
• 3:52:09
  of my Channel right now. You don't you don't know about
• 3:52:11
  that. No, I really don't smoke you
• 3:52:15
  saying himself, did it? I got the notification.
• 3:52:18
  Well like I told everybody will Smoky Jamie all these guys keep
• 3:52:24
  me out of this stuff man but I get dragged into it all the time
• 3:52:28
  and I got to defend myself. It's not I mean I think you
• 3:52:34
  latched onto him though. So I mean, you kind of you know,
• 3:52:37
  I don't know that is one of Pastor and congregation which
• 3:52:44
  puts me in a realm where I have responsibilities that
• 3:52:48
  everybody's in the need to know category.
• 3:52:53
  You didn't know category. Yeah, which means it's yeah.
• 3:52:57
  Secrets is called Integrity their tour.
• 3:53:02
  So this person that you're that you're with you just said, it's
• 3:53:06
  a well, you're the clergy. So they're trying to keep
• 3:53:09
  secrets that you were in confidence.
• 3:53:11
  Welcome to this way to say no to no.2 kind of real quick.
• 3:53:17
  He's trying to say is he Smokey's Pastor?
• 3:53:20
  So what said to him I said in confidence and you know I'm
• 3:53:25
  saying what hit you Me, what his mother said to me?
• 3:53:34
  What his brother is said to me. And what his sister has said to
• 3:53:36
  me, and what he has said to me, I cannot tell anybody.
• 3:53:43
  I mean if I get something I cannot look like that's cool.
• 3:53:47
  So my issue with you. Kenny.
• 3:53:48
  Yeah, I I think that considering all the evidence that's out
• 3:53:53
  there and the fact that you've seen Smokey, you know, who he
• 3:53:56
  is. I mean, so guilt, guilt, by
• 3:54:00
  association is definitely a thing but what I hold you to
• 3:54:03
  account for is the things you say when you're with Smoky, like
• 3:54:07
  what I don't, I don't hold. You know, what?
• 3:54:09
  Smoky did was what smokey did. I don't really have nothing to
• 3:54:12
  do with you. But also like these, like you
• 3:54:14
  said, in regards to the conversation with CJ cocks, the
• 3:54:17
  things about girls going on their periods being women.
• 3:54:21
  So if you would, if you could clarify that I would I would
• 3:54:23
  like that. If you want to be honest I have
• 3:54:26
  said this time and time again I had said, I am starting from the
• 3:54:31
  issue of what we know by natural law, which you would call
• 3:54:34
  Evolution. Okay, so I'm going to put it in
• 3:54:36
  your terms, what do we know scientifically?
• 3:54:38
  We know that there is a time that all biological organisms
• 3:54:42
  Become mature and can procreate. Okay.
• 3:54:45
  That was my first argument now culturally speaking.
• 3:54:48
  The mother of Our Lord was 13 to 16, okay.
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  And that was the case with my mother with my mother-in-law and
• 3:54:57
  with my aunt in law, okay? My aunt had a child at 12, my
• 3:55:01
  mother-in-law had taught at 15. My mother had me at 60 now, this
• 3:55:05
  is something that happens biologically.
• 3:55:08
  Now when you want to go into species and talk about, what
• 3:55:12
  other First determine maturity and for procreation, then that's
• 3:55:17
  when I would start in what is appropriate and human beings now
• 3:55:20
  because nobody's interested in the truth.
• 3:55:23
  That's why we have a problem here.
• 3:55:25
  Nobody wants to hear out. The more philosophical argument
• 3:55:28
  that I'm laying out, they want to jump to conclusions.
• 3:55:31
  Can I jump in real quick? What I was going to say was
• 3:55:35
  that, if you're saying that there's a biological precedent
• 3:55:39
  for people having children at this people about people all
• 3:55:42
  biological organisms mature, like rabbits mature after six
• 3:55:46
  weeks. Okay, thank you for clarifying.
• 3:55:48
  But what I was going to, what I was going to say was, is that,
• 3:55:51
  at least in the context of people having children that
• 3:55:54
  young, we can see that there is a much higher preponderance of
• 3:55:58
  both things, like birth defects as well as death in childbirth
• 3:56:02
  and people that have children. As a know-nothing not in young
• 3:56:05
  and old. So let's be synoptic.
• 3:56:07
  No no that's not necessary. It acts more.
• 3:56:10
  Likelihood of test is older not younger.
• 3:56:15
  That's a lie. There there is a area with
• 3:56:17
  Innovative July here. Not letting me speak.
• 3:56:20
  You're trying to talk over me. I let you smell your under
• 3:56:23
  shock. If you would extend me, this
• 3:56:24
  thing that's being honest like Behavior, about being honest.
• 3:56:27
  Listen to her. Okay, hold on, hold on.
• 3:56:33
  Keep it succinct and honor the other guy, if you could let him
• 3:56:38
  finish uninterrupted, sure. All that I was going to say was
• 3:56:42
  that you're right there is a certain age in which yes it is
• 3:56:45
  much less likely that those issues are going to happen but
• 3:56:48
  it's more like a bell curve kind of situation rather than just a
• 3:56:53
  okay and what finding slope what's your point?
• 3:56:57
  My point being that what you were saying earlier about there
• 3:57:00
  being a precedent of people having no, I did say people, I
• 3:57:04
  said biological organisms, people being included within
• 3:57:08
  that. I'm sorry.
• 3:57:09
  Okay. Being you did point out several
• 3:57:12
  people that had. Yeah, that is true.
• 3:57:14
  I guess that's how Phyllis trations because I am a human
• 3:57:16
  being and so I'm most apt to be able to share from the Bible.
• 3:57:20
  This is human not so much biological experiences of rabbit
• 3:57:24
  and goats and chickens, okay? But you're kind of jumping
• 3:57:26
  around. Though because on one end,
• 3:57:27
  you're trying to tell me. Oh, okay.
• 3:57:29
  Well, you should keep you should keep on topic.
• 3:57:31
  You should keep saying that I said organisms, but then you're
• 3:57:34
  also saying, well, I'm a human being so I can only really
• 3:57:37
  primarily relate to other people.
• 3:57:38
  It did you act? Did you follow my argument?
• 3:57:41
  I said the first point that we stop is that which we know by
• 3:57:44
  natural law. Okay, once we established that
• 3:57:47
  then we go to other issues of mental maturity and things like
• 3:57:51
  that, okay? Now I gave an example of mental
• 3:57:54
  maturity for human beings showing that my Mother was 16.
• 3:57:58
  Okay, that was just an illustration.
• 3:58:00
  Okay. So my other was her old enough
• 3:58:02
  and mature enough to get married.
• 3:58:03
  And raise a child at 16. That was my only Point, okay,
• 3:58:06
  but I am starting from what we know from science from that
• 3:58:10
  which nature tells us Then we go from there.
• 3:58:16
  Okay. All that we hold on one second
• 3:58:18
  guys, wildheart wannabe, or you the wild heart that was in here
• 3:58:21
  earlier. Oh no.
• 3:58:24
  Is he gone? No, I'm someone.
• 3:58:26
  I never left. All right, go ahead and put you
• 3:58:32
  guys all back on the screen again.
• 3:58:34
  All right. Continue on.
• 3:58:35
  It. Sounds like a respectful
• 3:58:36
  conversation. I'm good to go.
• 3:58:39
  I'm going to warn you again. We're talking about organisms
• 3:58:46
  organisms, let's go. Yeah, sorry.
• 3:58:49
  I was just I was just trying to look up some data here because
• 3:58:52
  if I find a bunch of data here that specifically supports what
• 3:58:55
  he's talking about that, it's only old age that causes a much
• 3:58:58
  higher preponderance of birth defects and death in childbirth
• 3:59:00
  and I will totally cop that what I said was wrong.
• 3:59:03
  I just want to get, did you know that with you with humans that
• 3:59:06
  women in their 40s, have more children with I'm syndrome.
• 3:59:11
  I'll for sure I'm not denying that that there is a higher
• 3:59:13
  preponderance of those. Yeah, but you're just agreeing
• 3:59:16
  to let me finish just above my happiness.
• 3:59:19
  Think, it's a general Point. That's all I'm saying.
• 3:59:22
  You're still talking over me though.
• 3:59:24
  No, you're under talking me. I'm just saying they're under
• 3:59:26
  talking gentlemen, humor. They reproduce, so don't be a
• 4:00:05
  hypocrite. I mean, it's funny because
• 4:00:09
  you're making that case now. But that's not the case you
• 4:00:12
  made. I was not allowed to, for my
• 4:00:15
  case to even begin because it was your stream.
• 4:00:19
  You can see Jo you could imagine.
• 4:00:20
  No, listen. Listen, I still don't even think
• 4:00:24
  this is a good case to make your still pretty much just
• 4:00:26
  justifying fun. No, I'm not.
• 4:00:29
  Do you not know how to make fine philosophical sanctions?
• 4:00:33
  No, you don't rate of squares, please don't make me,
• 4:00:47
  okay? I'll tell you what I'm feeling.
• 4:00:49
  Generous can, can you explain what you were trying to say on
• 4:00:52
  that other video Pretend? We're fifth graders?
• 4:00:55
  We don't know any better explain to us what you were trying to
• 4:00:58
  say on that video. Well, thank you, Brad.
• 4:01:02
  Now, if I do this, will everybody actually believe what
• 4:01:06
  I say. No, we will all strangle you
• 4:01:09
  virtually. No, I'm just kidding, go ahead,
• 4:01:11
  pretty sure. Thanks.
• 4:01:12
  So I've already said what I've said I was starting from a
• 4:01:16
  general that which we know in nature in science that there's a
• 4:01:21
  certain age that biological creatures become mature where
• 4:01:27
  they can procreate. Okay.
• 4:01:29
  That's where I At the start but CJ was dishonest and wanted to
• 4:01:33
  bounce around now because I was dealing with a supposed
• 4:01:37
  Christian who takes the authority of scripture, I was
• 4:01:41
  simply pointing out that according to the background and
• 4:01:44
  the proper interpretation of scripture.
• 4:01:46
  We can deduce from the text and culturally and understand that
• 4:01:51
  Mary was between 12 and 16 years old.
• 4:01:56
  When the Holy Spirit overshadowed her and Christ was
• 4:02:02
  incarnated. That was what I was going with
• 4:02:06
  CJ because a Christian should understand that it is not
• 4:02:11
  actually pedophilia. For God himself to pull a mature
• 4:02:17
  young lady who had a heart after God, who was betrothed to an
• 4:02:22
  older man and to allow them to go through that betrothal have
• 4:02:27
  the child. Then consummate their marriage.
• 4:02:29
  Sorry. Catholics.
• 4:02:30
  Yes, Mary had sex and then they had regular children.
• 4:02:35
  He is not in the picture. When Jesus died Jesus. 30 most
• 4:02:40
  commentators say, Jesus, father stepfather, Joseph Joseph was
• 4:02:45
  probably about 15 years older than Mary, which is why he's no
• 4:02:49
  longer in the picture. That is scholarship.
• 4:02:54
  That is what I was trying to say on the merry point.
• 4:02:57
  Now when it comes to human beings, psychologically
• 4:03:00
  speaking, we've stunted our children today.
• 4:03:03
  Most people don't grow up until 1825.
• 4:03:07
  I wasn't ready to get married till I was really 50.
• 4:03:10
  So it's really psychologically speaking.
• 4:03:13
  It could be 15 years old. Like my mother-in-law could be
• 4:03:18
  12 years old like my aunt in law could be 30 years.
• 4:03:22
  Old like my niece, it's all about after biological maturity
• 4:03:26
  is all about psychological maturity and parenting or
• 4:03:29
  definitely involved in that discussion.
• 4:03:32
  I have to disagree that there's not a twelve-year-old on planet
• 4:03:35
  that is mature enough to be married and fucked.
• 4:03:37
  I also I also have asked me Tell you exactly what happened.
• 4:03:50
  My aunt had a child at 12, I know, right?
• 4:03:54
  So if you want to be dishonest and make a blanket statement,
• 4:03:58
  make sure you have the evidence, your aunt was seated dead.
• 4:04:01
  He got married at 30 was little, she was still is still fucking
• 4:04:05
  rape. No it wasn't.
• 4:04:07
  He was 16. Okay, you can give all of these
• 4:04:12
  anecdotes you want, but that doesn't listen, guys, listen
• 4:04:15
  because honesty now, because the CI just don't have.
• 4:04:24
  Any idea. When I went, I do want to hear
• 4:04:28
  you guys all honesty. I played nothing.
• 4:04:40
  Live and let me ask him, he's out, he's out.
• 4:04:44
  So let's real quick response, weird.
• 4:04:48
  He did not say any of that shit. He did not say any of that shit.
• 4:04:52
  In fact, he participated in a stream that turned that shit
• 4:04:56
  around. Back on CJ Cox and said that CJ
• 4:04:59
  Cox was the one that actually endorsed having sex with a
• 4:05:02
  ten-year-old. So for him to come in here and
• 4:05:05
  play, you guys are being dishonest.
• 4:05:07
  No, you said what you said? Kenny And you're paying the
• 4:05:11
  price for it kidding. Does anybody have the clip?
• 4:05:14
  Well, I could, I could pull it up.
• 4:05:17
  It's right at the beginning of the stream.
• 4:05:18
  See jacocks comes in immediately so I can pull it up easily.
• 4:05:22
  If you want to go ahead and for the people watching who can't
• 4:05:28
  read our private chat. I wrote, what I think was
• 4:05:31
  obvious to everyone. Basically Kenny's argument was
• 4:05:35
  Smoky didn't have sex with the teenager, but I'm going to spend
• 4:05:38
  the entire time arguing twice. Between a minor and a much older
• 4:05:41
  adult is not such a bad thing. No.
• 4:05:44
  Because people, 2,000 years ago, a mighty, wait a minute, T 2.
• 4:05:49
  Are you saying there's some strange motivation to that
• 4:05:52
  argument obvious? And why spend the whole time
• 4:06:00
  arguing? That, that's an interesting
• 4:06:03
  point and have mysterious mr. Ken comes back, and hold on one
• 4:06:08
  second. If Ken is out there.
• 4:06:10
  I did have a question for you. We understand that things were a
• 4:06:14
  lot different back in the day, it was okay, to beat somebody
• 4:06:17
  with a club. If you wanted to let me ask you
• 4:06:19
  this, though, if you knew that there was a an adult who wanted
• 4:06:24
  to do something with a child today.
• 4:06:26
  Would you get biblical on them? Say sure.
• 4:06:30
  I mean, what's your answer on that if you feel like coming
• 4:06:33
  back and they responding, I'll hear you out on that.
• 4:06:36
  We got a clip there, mr. Ray's, what do we got?
• 4:06:38
  Yep, I'm sharing it right. Now.
• 4:06:41
  All right. I like that, right on the dot.
• 4:06:45
  There we go. Let's see what we have here.
• 4:06:48
  They're do Jill. It due diligence.
• 4:06:50
  All right. CJ's, just about to come in.
• 4:06:52
  So let's get it to where CJ comes in.
• 4:06:55
  All right. Good, good, man.
• 4:06:58
  Hey, let me leave us in a word of prayer and I'll let you say
• 4:07:02
  whatever you want to say. I got it.
• 4:07:07
  All right, father We just thank you for the opportunity to
• 4:07:13
  discuss and I pray that there would be more light than heat.
• 4:07:19
  And father I just pray that you lead us into truth.
• 4:07:23
  I'm not afraid of the truth and I assume CJ's.
• 4:07:25
  Not afraid of the truth either. So we submit ourselves to the
• 4:07:29
  one who is the way, the truth and the life.
• 4:07:32
  And so Lord, we ask for your presence and we pray this in
• 4:07:35
  Christ's name. Amen.
• 4:07:38
  All right. Go for it.
• 4:07:41
  Well, I'm just probably start and I'll just kind of reiterate
• 4:07:46
  my comment. I'll get want to start a guest
• 4:07:52
  by saying I don't Know what it is that has you choose sold
• 4:07:59
  links? I don't really care to know if
• 4:08:01
  I'm being honest with you, because that's your business,
• 4:08:04
  right? Then why bring it up?
• 4:08:05
  So, that's dishonest. Well, fine.
• 4:08:09
  Alright, let's just go there. I bring it up because this, it's
• 4:08:12
  not disputable anymore that Smoky say what's not this
• 4:08:16
  beautiful absolute minimum, covering for a pedophile and
• 4:08:20
  much more likely is one, and you know that if I'm like, no, No, I
• 4:08:24
  don't wear it. No, I am not.
• 4:08:27
  I am not so defined pedophile. Somebody who has sex with a
• 4:08:31
  child who is either in their pubescent, see stage or directly
• 4:08:35
  before it for fair use. I'll just take this time, you
• 4:08:38
  know, we use the common usage of pedophile when we were referring
• 4:08:41
  to Smokey st. The actual usage.
• 4:08:44
  The actual terminology is have a file.
• 4:08:46
  A pedophile is somebody attracted to a much younger
• 4:08:48
  child sexual attraction to a much younger child.
• 4:08:51
  Above file is somebody that has an attraction.
• 4:08:54
  Into a prepubescent teenager. Sex with a child, who's younger
• 4:08:59
  than the age of probably about 15?
• 4:09:02
  Are you sure about that? Because we're talking about a
• 4:09:05
  biological woman. Now, our Lord's mother was 13 to
• 4:09:10
  15, possibly even 12. So you're going to make that
• 4:09:12
  statement and stand there. I mean, if you got an actual
• 4:09:16
  scripture, verse the demonstrates, that then go right
• 4:09:18
  ahead. But oh, what about what about
• 4:09:22
  any sane persons definition. Do they have a period?
• 4:09:26
  That is not what defines you as a woman.
• 4:09:27
  Yeah, it is. No, no, they can have a child.
• 4:09:30
  They can have a child. Yes, they will know.
• 4:09:38
  I have control of the pause button, I guess.
• 4:09:39
  So I'll let you guys comment and then we can continue because
• 4:09:45
  it's going to get worse. That's literally the argument
• 4:09:48
  Muslim apologists, give to explain away why the prophet
• 4:09:51
  Muhammad married a six-year-old. And then next to her when she
• 4:09:55
  was nine, Same argument, he waited though, he waited those
• 4:09:59
  three years. So he was restrained and that
• 4:10:01
  makes all so far enough so far, there's nothing new from when he
• 4:10:06
  was in here, right? Nope, nope.
• 4:10:09
  All right. But CJ is not in there long, but
• 4:10:12
  all right, will continue its 30. Why do yours?
• 4:10:14
  And if you are Yes, that is not even really, not only
• 4:10:38
  you're wrong because even the charges people have thrown out
• 4:10:41
  there. What is it has nothing to do
• 4:10:43
  with sex or rape or incest or pedophilia.
• 4:10:47
  What are the charges on the paperwork there?
• 4:10:49
  See The charges are indecency with a minor.
• 4:10:54
  Now we've heard from the victim so we know that for a fact, you
• 4:10:58
  know, he pled down to that charge.
• 4:11:00
  She has confirmed that they had sex sex several times.
• 4:11:06
  The exact name of it is like indecency with the minor or lewd
• 4:11:11
  conduct with a minor, right? It is that is that sex with a
• 4:11:14
  minor? Is that sex with a child again?
• 4:11:18
  No. Is it?
• 4:11:19
  Be honest. No it can be.
• 4:11:21
  It's been no no no no no. Does this does this guy honestly
• 4:11:28
  think that if he just screams over and over again?
• 4:11:30
  That's going to validate him but remember you kind of saw here
• 4:11:34
  tonight so I just lesser charge. So why is he claiming the Lesser
• 4:11:40
  charges? You know, look at the truth,
• 4:11:43
  right? Yeah, I mean just because he
• 4:11:44
  pled down, doesn't mean what he really did.
• 4:11:46
  Didn't he? What is lewd Behavior?
• 4:11:49
  That's I mean sex while he didn't explain that.
• 4:11:51
  The woman herself said they had sex several times.
• 4:11:54
  He pleaded down. Hello, why don't you answer that
• 4:11:58
  to me? This is literally just like
• 4:11:59
  garden-variety projection both in the fact that he keeps
• 4:12:03
  accusing other people of talking over him.
• 4:12:05
  But also I put it in the chat earlier, he said, and I quote,
• 4:12:08
  if I say what I say, will people agree with me.
• 4:12:11
  Like, how is that at all? The basis of an intellectually?
• 4:12:14
  Honest discussion. This guy keeps calling people
• 4:12:16
  dishonest, but he has nothing but dishonest points and Honest
• 4:12:19
  arguments to make whatever fucking happen if you don't
• 4:12:22
  agree with me you're a dishonest person.
• 4:12:24
  I mean it'd be one thing to come in and say okay I'll go ahead
• 4:12:29
  and give my side even though none of you do you know none of
• 4:12:32
  you. People are going to believe me.
• 4:12:34
  But here you know for what it's worth, you know, maybe if that
• 4:12:36
  was his point and also listen to what he's saying there, he's
• 4:12:41
  saying that, you know, Smokey didn't have sex with her, so
• 4:12:44
  it's okay. No, Smoky was still 21.
• 4:12:47
  She was 13. So say they didn't even have
• 4:12:49
  sex. Say it was sexting like he
• 4:12:51
  claimed there. He is stating, it's okay for a
• 4:12:53
  21 year old man to sit there and sext with a girl across the
• 4:12:58
  country. That's 13 years old.
• 4:13:01
  He saying it is straight up saying, that's okay.
• 4:13:04
  And I'm going to defend that and I'm going to die on that Hill.
• 4:13:07
  Because I had his past are being dishonest right now.
• 4:13:12
  Yeah, and that's why I like when he came in here saying they
• 4:13:15
  everybody else was lying against him.
• 4:13:17
  I'm like dude for one that's it's the only thing you have to
• 4:13:21
  come in here and I want to talk over people.
• 4:13:23
  I started wondering if Kenny was a Catholic priest, the way he
• 4:13:26
  was saying I can't speak about issues.
• 4:13:29
  I mean I haven't heard you know reveal what you know, somebody
• 4:13:38
  talking about aunts, Oh my God, sounded to me, like he, like
• 4:13:43
  what the truth? If needed, as far as I
• 4:13:49
  understand, I could be wrong about this, but this is what CJ
• 4:13:51
  told me, he's a Southern Baptist, pastor, So it's it
• 4:13:59
  blows my mind for one. He's going against the yec.
• 4:14:01
  But for to yeah, I mean he's follows Smokey's lead.
• 4:14:07
  A lot of times it just is not Southern Baptist.
• 4:14:09
  I used to be a southern baptist. It's like sometimes it just
• 4:14:12
  blows my mind but I talked over Cindy accidentally.
• 4:14:16
  So like, I didn't mean to send the, I apologize.
• 4:14:19
  I know we all have stuff to say, I just want to add really quick
• 4:14:24
  that earlier today, I went to Kenny's Facebook Age is
• 4:14:27
  professional page and even though he's been ordained by the
• 4:14:31
  Southern Baptist convention or whatever, he's actually a former
• 4:14:35
  Pastor, he's not a current Pastor, that's what I've heard
• 4:14:39
  is over a church, he claims to be a pastor over Smokey saint,
• 4:14:43
  but he's talking like, he's a private Pastor, like, you would
• 4:14:46
  hire a private tutor, he's basically a private Pastor for
• 4:14:50
  Smoke's, the way he's describing it.
• 4:14:52
  And for a lot of like, YouTube atheist or YouTube Christians,
• 4:14:56
  like, I know, like praise considered him his pasture,
• 4:14:59
  right up until the moment for praise was when, you know,
• 4:15:04
  because smoke had given praise lies and said that the
• 4:15:06
  relationship was consensual. So, praise went when Satori was
• 4:15:10
  on the stream and put that in the side chat, she called her
• 4:15:14
  mom. And her mom was like, no, Josh
• 4:15:18
  was, he was in college. You were in the eighth grade.
• 4:15:21
  We didn't? They both lied to their parents
• 4:15:24
  about their, you know, Josh had heard lying to her parents about
• 4:15:28
  her age and to his parents or to her parents about his age and to
• 4:15:34
  her parent to his parents about her age.
• 4:15:38
  So Health, doesn't that imply that if it's consensual, it's
• 4:15:41
  okay. It's still freaking illegal.
• 4:15:44
  Yeah. And not only that.
• 4:15:45
  And he knew it was wrong. This can guy.
• 4:15:48
  He honestly seems to be making an argument from nature.
• 4:15:50
  Basically going. Oh well the capability is there.
• 4:15:53
  So that means it's fine. It almost sounds like in the
• 4:15:55
  same vein that like, oh well. There are certain people out
• 4:15:58
  there with things like down syndrome or Autism that are
• 4:16:01
  capable of living their lives like regular people.
• 4:16:03
  So that automatically means that down syndrome and autism or
• 4:16:06
  actually a, okay, they're perfectly fine.
• 4:16:08
  They're not conditions that are that hinder people.
• 4:16:11
  Yeah. And when it comes to this and
• 4:16:13
  there's more to play like CJ's not in the room.
• 4:16:15
  Long. So it doesn't take long and we
• 4:16:16
  can stop it. Whenever you guys want me to
• 4:16:18
  stop it. But the important thing with
• 4:16:22
  this story is that it is all Christians going after.
• 4:16:26
  Smoky for this. I'm like one of the I say, I'm
• 4:16:30
  the only atheist doing it. There's probably a couple out
• 4:16:32
  there but most atheists have stayed the hell away from this.
• 4:16:36
  I'm like one of the very, very few are Smoky, is getting
• 4:16:40
  attacked by Christians for this. And I think that that's really
• 4:16:43
  important to the story and And especially for us atheist.
• 4:16:47
  You know, when I got the information, the people that
• 4:16:50
  gave me the information, they were terrified, I was going to
• 4:16:53
  come out with it before the thick Shades and the Ryan did.
• 4:16:56
  Because then it would be an atheist saying it, it was
• 4:16:59
  important that it was Christians going at Smoky over this.
• 4:17:03
  And that's it. Does surprise me rage.
• 4:17:06
  I got to be honest with Dad thought more atheist.
• 4:17:08
  Would jump on this they if they wait.
• 4:17:10
  They actually jump my shit. Brett, they jump my shit for
• 4:17:13
  doing it if they wasted half the Energy on mac and cheese
• 4:17:16
  situation. They do with me on this I'd be
• 4:17:19
  fucking over with. I'll dude, I love what I've lost
• 4:17:23
  most of my friends over this. Like if you just if you watched
• 4:17:25
  my channel back in the day, I used to have just like crazy ass
• 4:17:28
  popular, atheist YouTubers, just pop out of nowhere, just huge
• 4:17:32
  YouTubers man. That don't happen, no more and
• 4:17:35
  it's all because for two years, I've been on this Crusade
• 4:17:38
  against Smokey saying, now, wait a minute, very weird.
• 4:17:45
  Get it. He's because I release, I
• 4:17:47
  release private, I read. It was public information, but I
• 4:17:51
  linked it to Smoky, and they wanted to stay away from that.
• 4:17:55
  They, they did not like me putting out that public
• 4:17:58
  information on Smokey. They didn't like be showing his
• 4:18:00
  face. They did, they stayed away from
• 4:18:03
  it. You know, this actually has been
• 4:18:05
  a That this actually has a little bit of a sorry, Cindy,
• 4:18:10
  I'm not trying to talk over you. I was going to say that there
• 4:18:16
  seems to be a bit of precedent for this.
• 4:18:18
  You know. Like a drama is old as like,
• 4:18:20
  everybody remembers from drama as old as like in Mendham.
• 4:18:23
  Everybody remembers all the people that jump ship from him
• 4:18:25
  but there was the obverse of that there is plenty of people
• 4:18:28
  that just completely sided with him on all things, no matter
• 4:18:31
  what and they completely fucking drug.
• 4:18:33
  Everybody through the mud that had anything bad to say about
• 4:18:36
  him. There's Precedent for this, for
• 4:18:38
  people are just so wrapped up with these internet
• 4:18:41
  personalities. They get these parasocial
• 4:18:43
  relationships going with them, where it doesn't matter how
• 4:18:45
  important they are. They just cling to them, no
• 4:18:48
  matter what. Yeah, yeah, lot of atheists like
• 4:18:51
  talking to Smoky because he'll talk to them a lot of
• 4:18:54
  Christians. Stay away from us, man.
• 4:18:55
  It's hard to get Christians to talk to us.
• 4:18:57
  Well, I think that, I mean, it's obvious, maybe, but the
• 4:19:00
  Christians, I have are the ones who have the biggest, I don't
• 4:19:04
  know. The onus is on them to correct.
• 4:19:07
  you know this stuff that's going on whether it's on the Internet
• 4:19:10
  or you know, churches won't Unfortunately not everyone is
• 4:19:15
  like a theist atheist and a theist thinks is important to
• 4:19:20
  like police their own community and we challenged Christians but
• 4:19:26
  they don't really, I don't know like you know if it's something
• 4:19:29
  important but like when this first broke there was that
• 4:19:32
  shadow of a doubt is Smokey. Josh that shadow has been
• 4:19:35
  shattered. Now there's no doubt but for a
• 4:19:38
  year there was doubt and to most atheists that's enough for me.
• 4:19:42
  You because, you know, he was attacking my child, he was going
• 4:19:44
  extremely personal for me, it was on a different level, but
• 4:19:48
  for them, they were like, this ain't verified, you know, we're
• 4:19:52
  not going to run with this. Well, it's hard working in the
• 4:19:56
  chat. Sorry, go ahead.
• 4:19:57
  As far as I'm concerned, there was plenty about Smoky that
• 4:20:01
  Christians should be calling them out for Beyond this
• 4:20:05
  nonsense. But, you know, this just adds to
• 4:20:08
  it. I've made videos calling out his
• 4:20:11
  theology. Elegy before on my own channel.
• 4:20:14
  So, I'm talking about his behavior and the way he treats
• 4:20:16
  people yet model, that's always been my like this.
• 4:20:19
  This this proves he's a monster in real life, but he was a
• 4:20:22
  monster on the internet a long time.
• 4:20:25
  Before this information, I became a day one.
• 4:20:27
  When I met him, he was just a, you know, asshole, I guess II
• 4:20:33
  and livestreams and he was still a really terrible person back
• 4:20:37
  then. Although I would say he's gotten
• 4:20:39
  worse since then, yeah, he's gotten full.
• 4:20:42
  I am I'm with rage and this and the other guy that was talking,
• 4:20:46
  it totally blew my mind, he him and we'll ended up putting an
• 4:20:50
  urn up and their video. Making fun of a Christian guy
• 4:20:54
  who lost his child. And then they also another man
• 4:20:59
  ended up losing his father, a Christian and the guy was really
• 4:21:03
  tore up about it and smoke. He's like, oh, your child
• 4:21:06
  burning hell cuz you're all to blame your father's burning in
• 4:21:09
  hell, I'm like what the hell and then a Man came in what was her
• 4:21:13
  name? Wild Eden and they told her to
• 4:21:15
  kill herself and yeah dude. Just went along with it.
• 4:21:21
  It wasn't until it just I don't know if it's really the
• 4:21:24
  pedophilia thing, why some of them actually jumped or is it
• 4:21:27
  because he turned on them and started ripping them apart that
• 4:21:30
  it's more of a psychological thing for them.
• 4:21:33
  That's somewhat when he came in he came in attacking atheist.
• 4:21:38
  That's what he did for the first year.
• 4:21:41
  He Pretty much just stuck to atheist and he had this like
• 4:21:44
  really wide umbrella of Christians around him and he
• 4:21:48
  would just, he would attack us gutturally.
• 4:21:50
  And it was to a lot of Christians, it was like, man,
• 4:21:53
  this dude is doing what we've always wanted to do, you know,
• 4:21:55
  he attacked Jin, Aldrich and straight-up called her an ethos
• 4:21:59
  in The Prostitute. And we had this big things, you
• 4:22:02
  know, just showed up on my stream in her bra and confronted
• 4:22:04
  Smokey straight up and he attacked Mama atheist and he was
• 4:22:09
  just attacking all of these atheist women and then just like
• 4:22:13
  on a dime and it be I think it was because I had defeated him
• 4:22:18
  up to that point and he started to turn around.
• 4:22:21
  He started going really personal on me.
• 4:22:22
  He started getting victories because I started losing my
• 4:22:24
  shit. But then he stopped, he stopped
• 4:22:28
  attacking atheist, almost all together and just solely focused
• 4:22:32
  on Christians, and that's what he's been doing.
• 4:22:34
  For a year, is just solely focusing on Christians.
• 4:22:38
  Now, he'll talk about meal have streams 8 hours about me, but
• 4:22:41
  I'm like the The Atheist he ever talks about anymore.
• 4:22:44
  What goes? I think what goes on in these
• 4:22:46
  communities though it's a lot has to do with its this
• 4:22:49
  dichotomy between the atheist and the Christians and it's like
• 4:22:53
  you know, God forbid. Anybody should any Christian
• 4:22:56
  should give Credence to anything.
• 4:22:58
  An atheist says or vice versa probably.
• 4:23:01
  But, you know, I mean there's this weird Devotion to people
• 4:23:05
  that are on their side even though they're acting like
• 4:23:08
  complete Maniac Source. Yeah, I think I don't understand
• 4:23:11
  that. Like I want to get off on my
• 4:23:13
  team. Well, I'm the same weight.
• 4:23:16
  There's a lot of atheist. I just will not associate with
• 4:23:19
  because they are just add another hemisphere for me.
• 4:23:23
  They're completely different people.
• 4:23:25
  They believe in different things and they have different
• 4:23:27
  motivations. Yeah.
• 4:23:28
  Like, stay away from me. You're not part of my team.
• 4:23:30
  I have Christians that I consider part of my team.
• 4:23:33
  You're not, you know, like so yeah, I'm the same way.
• 4:23:36
  I don't understand it. I hate the team sports element
• 4:23:39
  of it, all I really do. I think, Both sides play team
• 4:23:43
  sports. Yeah, I loved last week when
• 4:23:46
  Kenny came on to Brett's livestream and basically said
• 4:23:49
  that because I was joining brick Kings live stream and having
• 4:23:53
  conversations with people, that basically I had thrown my lot in
• 4:23:57
  with someone who has ideological differences between me and him
• 4:24:02
  like me and Brett and that therefore this means I believe
• 4:24:05
  the same thing he does and therefore I'm bad and apparently
• 4:24:09
  according to Kenny, if you're going to be in a live stream
• 4:24:11
  with Someone you have to agree on everything otherwise, you
• 4:24:15
  know, can't happen. He got some hostile right off
• 4:24:17
  the bat. That's a really struck me.
• 4:24:19
  Is that literally the first time that CJ like, says one thing
• 4:24:24
  that even slightly disagrees with him, he doesn't sit there
• 4:24:27
  and let him speak his piece. He just jumps right in.
• 4:24:29
  He tries to jump down his throat and completely dominate the
• 4:24:32
  conversation. I've got I've got a question for
• 4:24:35
  you guys. Maybe you got, that's a red
• 4:24:36
  flag. That's a red flag that he's
• 4:24:39
  covering know, for sure. I was just going to A one of the
• 4:24:42
  things that I've heard around Smokey saying, I'm kind of new
• 4:24:45
  to this whole like controversy around him.
• 4:24:47
  I gotta say out of everyone in this room, I'm probably the
• 4:24:50
  least experience with it, but out of the LIE, the bit of
• 4:24:53
  experience I do have with it. One of the things I see with a
• 4:24:55
  lot of people is that oh, why are you spending so much time
• 4:24:58
  going after this guy, he only has so few Subs.
• 4:25:01
  The only has 1 Point 2, K Subs. I don't think that the number of
• 4:25:04
  audience that he has at all. Should take away from the
• 4:25:06
  horrible actions that he's done. I just can't I can't put myself
• 4:25:10
  in that those shoes were. It's like oh Oh, you don't have
• 4:25:12
  a lot of audience, so they shouldn't be talked about, like,
• 4:25:15
  what his videos, get hundreds of use over time depending on the
• 4:25:19
  video. So it's not like he doesn't
• 4:25:21
  reach anyone. Well, basically basically the
• 4:25:24
  argument is he's not making enough views for me to benefit
• 4:25:29
  from the argument. They don't give a shit about the
• 4:25:32
  morality. Go ahead rates are well also
• 4:25:34
  this is just something he uses to diminish people because he
• 4:25:37
  says the same thing about me, your rage has a dead Channel, he
• 4:25:40
  gets 12 viewers Bitch, I get as many viewers as you do, you
• 4:25:45
  know, like, I'm getting more now than you are.
• 4:25:50
  What do you even talk? I think, is that, I think you
• 4:25:52
  have to question Christians, who make a big deal out of how many
• 4:25:56
  views are getting on their Channel, especially if it's
• 4:25:58
  meant to be, you know, a channel devoted to Ministry.
• 4:26:04
  Do you think you think the word of God wouldn't diminish or
• 4:26:06
  increase depending on how many people are listening?
• 4:26:09
  But oh, well, well, I've uh person is always He's not a real
• 4:26:12
  Christian, he is on here, he is on here to make money to him.
• 4:26:17
  It this is a cash cow and if it's not going to be a cash cow,
• 4:26:20
  he won't be on it for long and I think that that's the damage
• 4:26:22
  we've done to him. Now we've damaged that
• 4:26:24
  possibility of it being a cash cow for him and in the moment he
• 4:26:28
  realized he's not going to make money off of this.
• 4:26:30
  He's not going to devote his time to it.
• 4:26:33
  See, I can respect that position a lot more.
• 4:26:35
  There's people like and I only bring him up because he's the
• 4:26:38
  first person that comes to my mind.
• 4:26:39
  But there's there's people like G-Men that claim A lot of people
• 4:26:42
  aren't real Christians because of their theology, I can respect
• 4:26:46
  from the position of being an agnostic atheist.
• 4:26:48
  The idea that their actions, make them a lot less of a
• 4:26:51
  Christian than whatever their theology is on anything.
• 4:26:54
  Yeah, totally. Yeah, for me, I mean, he he has
• 4:26:58
  been probably most atrocious to me than anybody else.
• 4:27:03
  He literally says, I raped my daughter, he uses pictures of my
• 4:27:07
  my child you know, like he's flagging my channel now and I
• 4:27:12
  Put it out on my channel icon, on my community tab.
• 4:27:14
  I know he's read it. It's a double-edged sword, Smoky
• 4:27:17
  because what you just did to me, I can do to you and I haven't
• 4:27:20
  done it yet, despite using my child's picture.
• 4:27:22
  Despite saying all these awful things about me, I have never
• 4:27:26
  done that yet, but now you free speech, Advocate you, you try to
• 4:27:32
  shut me down. So now it's open Gates.
• 4:27:36
  Yeah, he's obviously not a free speech, Advocates either.
• 4:27:41
  I have please congratulate the fifth Warrior II.
• 4:27:43
  Just have a damn tweezer, what we put this over there.
• 4:27:48
  I put this but wildheart up on the screen look how blurry that
• 4:27:52
  is my eyes just playing around. I use my cast a green screen or
• 4:27:56
  something going on. Yeah, I'm going to get a, let
• 4:27:59
  him sit up on the screen for a little bit.
• 4:28:03
  Are you broadcasting through one of those like translucent
• 4:28:05
  Windows? It is nice, though.
• 4:28:08
  It's just a stream yard at the blur.
• 4:28:11
  Now I'm Caillou I can just changed his name.
• 4:28:16
  I'm a friend of wild hurt. That's ironic me.
• 4:28:19
  And I really got into it recently, how you doing?
• 4:28:25
  I stand corrected. I like what rage said about he's
• 4:28:33
  not a real Christian and a lot of Christians are afraid to say
• 4:28:37
  that because they say, oh don't judge, I don't know.
• 4:28:40
  Somebody's heart. Well, you can tell when the
• 4:28:45
  behavior is so hateful. Yeah.
• 4:28:49
  And I make very comforting to know that an atheist can
• 4:28:53
  actually Recognize that is not a real Christian instead of saying
• 4:28:58
  oh see Christians are just Hypocrites or Christianity is
• 4:29:01
  bunk because of this jerk dragging the name of Christ
• 4:29:05
  through the mud. I've always found him a pro.
• 4:29:08
  I think he's a pope. I think one of the one of the
• 4:29:11
  problems is it's a major Christian doctrine to accept
• 4:29:14
  that Christensen all the time. Yeah, yes.
• 4:29:20
  Yeah. But what kind of sin do, right?
• 4:29:22
  You're supposed to be emulating G but you're supposed to be
• 4:29:25
  trying at least to emulate Jesus.
• 4:29:27
  Right thing. If you fail, you know way got
• 4:29:31
  your cover, Jesus. Yeah.
• 4:29:33
  Paid it all well. And what happens is the bond
• 4:29:37
  that is repentance. So if I'm a jerk, when I go
• 4:29:42
  after rages daughter and I do something really bad, I should
• 4:29:47
  be saying, wow. Yep.
• 4:29:50
  Well I wish that has been my position as well honestly.
• 4:29:53
  Like Smoky could Smoky could have got past all of this.
• 4:29:56
  All he had to do was say I was 21 years old, I've been washed
• 4:29:59
  in the blood of Jesus. I Repent all those sins and
• 4:30:01
  people would have moved on at least Christians would have he
• 4:30:05
  chose to lie about it and, and you just just go out of his way
• 4:30:11
  to say the strangest and weirdest things to defend
• 4:30:15
  himself, you know, like and Adam, are we?
• 4:30:18
  Had to do was like, yeah, I did it but I was young and I was
• 4:30:21
  Dumb and I can assure now Society.
• 4:30:25
  You know, I have repented and I am truly sorry for that sin and
• 4:30:30
  Jesus has forgiven me and I hope you do too.
• 4:30:32
  You know, that that would have been his best answer ever but
• 4:30:35
  instead use behaviors deteriorate over time.
• 4:30:40
  It's got and I wanted to touch on this earlier, too, but
• 4:30:42
  basically biblically speaking. Correct, Theology.
• 4:30:46
  And, and behaviors actually go hand in hand in a lot of cases.
• 4:30:50
  So, with someone like Smokey, his bad behavior stems from his
• 4:30:55
  bad theology which leads to his superiority complex that he has,
• 4:30:59
  which leads to all the behaviors are seeing today.
• 4:31:02
  He literally thinks he's smarter and better than all of us and
• 4:31:05
  eggs justified in Behaving, the way he does mine.
• 4:31:09
  Fire, family are Christians. My entire family are like, that
• 4:31:11
  is still even the, the Northerners up here.
• 4:31:14
  Their Baptist or not Southern Baptist, but their Baptist and
• 4:31:17
  they know what I am. They know what I do here on the
• 4:31:19
  internet and they still love me and they still probably hope
• 4:31:22
  that I come to God. And Jesus and come back to the
• 4:31:25
  faith and be the dude. I used to be way back in the
• 4:31:27
  day, you know, but they're still my family and they still love me
• 4:31:29
  and none of them act the way that Smoky does.
• 4:31:32
  You know, some of them will come at me like some Christian.
• 4:31:34
  You know some Christian YouTubers here will they'll come
• 4:31:37
  at me harder sometimes But you know, they'll still love me
• 4:31:41
  after the conversation because we're family, you know, but they
• 4:31:44
  don't have to like em. They don't act like you know,
• 4:31:47
  just like oh you're just evil and disgusting and trash you
• 4:31:51
  know, I'm not sure what damn read and raised in ptor.
• 4:31:55
  Did you guys hear the deals that I had made it Smoky less than a
• 4:31:59
  couple weeks ago about the debate challenge?
• 4:32:02
  Yeah, I take it. He didn't accept now.
• 4:32:06
  Did you hear about it rage? No.
• 4:32:09
  Did you hear about the news units debate challenge?
• 4:32:13
  Well, hold on. Let me tell you what, I heard,
• 4:32:15
  you tell me yours, and I'll tell you mine.
• 4:32:17
  Alright, very good, very good. I'll show you mine if you show
• 4:32:20
  me yours. Yeah, well, there was him and
• 4:32:23
  all of his buddies, they wanted to debate me on mouth theism.
• 4:32:27
  They figured they'd make me look like a stupid ass biblically and
• 4:32:30
  all that. And I said, sure I'll debate
• 4:32:32
  every single one of you all at the same time with one
• 4:32:35
  stipulation like, yeah, what is it?
• 4:32:37
  We're going to destroy this. And I suppose Smokies got to do
• 4:32:41
  a testimony on video with the whites are nobler.
• 4:32:44
  No hat. And and we'll do the debate and
• 4:32:47
  I said you guys can even cut me off.
• 4:32:49
  Interrupt me anytime you want and say your piece and do it.
• 4:32:55
  However, you like to just show you cell phone camera for at
• 4:32:59
  least 5 minutes or more and we're good and they refused even
• 4:33:02
  though I told them they could bring their whole damn army
• 4:33:05
  army. Oh, yeah, he's not going to show
• 4:33:09
  his face. Even though it now he's saying
• 4:33:10
  he will. All right.
• 4:33:11
  So my thing is Dave the nizina put out this debate challenge.
• 4:33:16
  I'll debate anybody on anything, right and he's like Smokey was
• 4:33:20
  like well, I'll take up that debate.
• 4:33:22
  We should have a debate Dave and Dave is like well my stipulation
• 4:33:27
  is you got to be on camera and it was like kind of at the same
• 4:33:30
  time. Maybe smoke.
• 4:33:30
  He said a little bit after that. I don't know but it immediately
• 4:33:35
  became this like super weird thing and then Is other
• 4:33:38
  stipulation, Dave's Other stipulation for the debate is
• 4:33:40
  well you cannot research. You cannot come with sources.
• 4:33:43
  It has to be a bad cough. That's the debate.
• 4:33:47
  I'm like, that's not a debate but then Smoky said, Smoky said,
• 4:33:51
  well, maybe I'll take that to me.
• 4:33:53
  Maybe that'll be the great Face review.
• 4:33:57
  Hmm. Do you think do you think smoke?
• 4:34:00
  He's actually going to ever show his face.
• 4:34:02
  I do not. He did it for six seconds.
• 4:34:04
  That's all we're ever going to get.
• 4:34:08
  You know, he did it. He did it on sister Sunshine's
• 4:34:09
  Channel back in the Brett came days when he was coming on
• 4:34:12
  breaking his channel. And he went on sister Sunshine.
• 4:34:14
  His channel and he showed his face that one time he had that
• 4:34:17
  hat on trying to cover his face, but on the Jesse Lee Peterson
• 4:34:21
  video. He was Josh, I saw that one too,
• 4:34:27
  that was totally him. I mean, yeah.
• 4:34:33
  I know I recognized him immediately in the Jesse Jesse
• 4:34:37
  show. I mean, you could tell
• 4:34:39
  immediately he hates me for showing that shit.
• 4:34:44
  And after I showed that shit, he came into my way.
• 4:34:47
  He came into a, this one, guy's side chat and said, I totally
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  won that debate. I killed that debate.
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  What are you guys even talking about, right?
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  Talking about the Jesse Lee Pearson.
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  Yeah, the Jesse Lee Peterson debate but Then then about two
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  months after that the information on Josh came out and
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  then that's when he started planning those breadcrumbs with
• 4:35:08
  Nicholas Whitmire in the Jesse Lee Peterson, debate wasn't him.
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  It was so mother dude. And if and if Nicholas Whitmire
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  believed it then God dammit the rage was going to believe it,
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  right? So he lied to his best friend at
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  the time because if he would have believed it, I would
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  believe it. Well, that's my cue to peace.
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  Anyways, I was I was hoping backhoe was still in here
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  because you said something about, you know, somebody's
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  Doctrine or whatever. We know what they believe, and
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  how I might affect, what they do.
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  But I don't like Kenny's a cat. I'm pretty sure Kenny's a
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  calvinist and it's just, you know, I always like to pick on
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  calvinist because it is, you know, everything is determined
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  as far as I know. Kenny Southern Baptist.
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  Yeah, but a southern baptist can be a calvinist.
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  Okay? Okay, and I'm talking from
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  experience. I thought I've argued with him I
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  think he holds the commonest a wild.
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  Are you compatible list? I believe, I know I'm kind of
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  like, compatible know, I just believe in Free Will is a is a
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  is a entailment of the nature of God, you know, as loving, you
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  know, and so were made in His image.
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  And so it's because, you know, Salvation is all about
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  relationships and love is all about freedom to love or be
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  loved, you know. So therefore the mind what I see
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  the freedom that that the Bible Even free will but there's
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  definitely some passages where it acknowledges that there is
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  some forms of predestination going to seems like it'd make
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  more logical sense for you to be a compatibilist.
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  Well, I'm an open theists to so I just yeah I don't I don't see
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  any biblical passages teaching, you know, that God knows the
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  future. I know he has plans, you know, I
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  don't doubt that but I don't know what you're talking about.
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  Exactly what predestination you mean.
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  You haven't read it then. Can I can I jump in real quick?
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  Well, you'd have to show that you might have a harder time,
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  demonstrating that and stating it.
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  But go ahead. Have you ever heard of the
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  butterfly effect before? You ever heard of the notion
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  that one very seemingly. Small Breeze coming in.
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  I got it. What was that?
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  Oh, I thought you were talking about the example, from the
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  butterfly effect, but no, the butterfly effect is essentially.
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  Yeah, it states that one seemingly very small consequence
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  can result in all Myriad of different things that could
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  create entirely different outcomes to me.
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  The idea that prophecy existing in the Bible, very specific
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  prophecy. I'm willing to state that the
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  prophecies that are made in the Bible or pretty specific.
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  They're not all that vague. Like a lot of atheists say God
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  really wouldn't be able to definitively make those
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  prophecies nor would he be able to imbue his profits with the
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  ability to do that? If he didn't know to, at least a
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  really good degree of certainty that those events were going to
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  happen? Not being said, I don't
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  necessarily know what free will is really something that could
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  play out then because Free Will would allow through things like
• 4:38:10
  the butterfly effect for all Myriad of different
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  circumstances to come about. That would completely contradict
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  the predictions made Those prophecies.
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  Let me show out harder to come. I wonder where it is.
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  Hold on one second. Just let me show you a couple
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  things that actually even uses the word, Ephesians 1:5.
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  He predestined us for adoption to himself as Sons through Jesus
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  Christ. According to the purpose of his
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  will Romans 8:29 For Those whom he foreknew, he also predestined
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  to be conformed, to the image of the Sun, in order that he might
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  be the firstborn among many. Brothers, I can show you like,
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  probably. Like I could add to, I could
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  address those too easily. Sure.
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  Okay. So in Ephesians, okay, you have
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  to understand that we're talking about a corporate election,
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  right? We're not talking about, this
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  isn't to individuals, but God's plan is for the elect to
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  experience certain things that he's promised them.
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  And of course he plans on bringing those things to be.
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  But that doesn't mean that God knows the future like per se
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  Beyond his plans on what he's going to do, you know, me and
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  really the same thing applies to the other text.
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  Yeah, that's how is it, ridiculous?
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  I guess literally stood like it's more clear in the estimated
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  or about prophecy its as well as the use of the word for
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  knowledge and the use of the word predestined and the use of
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  the word before the foundation of the Earth.
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  I mean, where we can address all those in in order, but
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  especially the Romans 8:29 is really clear because, what's
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  predestined is that Believers right?
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  Those who love God, are predestined to be conformed to
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  the image of Jesus, which that's just a general promise, right?
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  And all believers, I have been predestined to be conformed to
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  that image. And when is that, it's really at
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  the resurrection event that Paul is talking about, I would argue.
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  So there's Thing about God, knowing the future because he
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  predestines, what will happen to the elect?
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  That's all I'm saying. Well because he knows he has the
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  power to bring it about. He knows he has the power to
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  bring it about but he also is very declarative that those
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  things are indeed going to happen.
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  He doesn't say that it's a possibility that those things
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  are going to happen when he tells the Israelites that he'll
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  bring them out of Egypt. He doesn't say oh, but that's
• 4:40:47
  probably gonna happen. No, he's very definitive.
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  He says, if you do these things, I will bring you.
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  You out of Egypt and I will free you from servitude and I will
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  give you your own Nation. Well, we could talk about any
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  particular text, but what you'll find is that God makes Power
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  claims not knowledge claims and then you have to be, are you
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  saying he didn't know that - know in advance that Jesus was
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  going to die for our sins? Are you saying he didn't know
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  that from the foundation of the Earth?
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  Now, Jesus did that prompted, all that it would be exactly 490
• 4:41:23
  years from the time that whatever that thing, and Daniel
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  and the coming of the Messiah. I mean, you know what God does
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  is, okay? It's not, these are not based on
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  knowledge of the future, okay? These are based on what God
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  knows he can know it's what it's based on what God knows he can
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  do their Power claims. He says I'm going to do this.
• 4:41:49
  Tell you before it happens what I'm going to do and when I do it
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  later, you'll know that it's me that done it, that's how it
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  works. Its Power claims got exactly.
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  Why is this an important distinction is why is this an
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  important distinction to you? Oh because it's important just
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  to stick to what the Bible teaches actually and not import
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  Greek philosophical ideas about God into the text, like mostly
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  free sharing, clear reading. This isn't, this has nothing to
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  do with Greek. This is a clear reading.
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  No talking about classical theism and its introduction into
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  Christianity very early on. Let me try.
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  I just want to see where your philosophy is on this, because
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  you and I We dabbled a little bit in the past and I found your
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  views very fascinating, and I'm glad you came in here to talk
• 4:42:43
  about this more. Do you believe that God is
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  outside of the time of the realm of the universe where he can
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  actually be? You don't believe he's
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  omniscient where he's a No-No. Yeah, when you sat outside the
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  realm, I was saying, I thought you said outside of time or
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  whatever, I believe God is temporal and being and has
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  always existed in that, you know.
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  Do you believe He has some kind of limitation a constriction the
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  time not by well time I would see.
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  I could explain my view of time but as far as God's omniscience
• 4:43:18
  omnipresence I would say God fills all I got I would say God
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  has limits to his self his person and but what he entails
• 4:43:29
  it that is what we would describe as all things, you
• 4:43:33
  know. God fills all things basically
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  though. God In a form, a spiritual form
• 4:43:39
  cording to Jesus. So a form has boundaries, right?
• 4:43:44
  Can I can I ask you something real quick?
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  Yes, just kind of expanding on what to Cindy was talking about
• 4:43:49
  earlier. I'll bring it even form.
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  Hold on, guys, I'm gonna go have a smoke real quick while I'm
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  away. I understand that everybody's
• 4:43:56
  passionate. You got your own ideologies and
• 4:43:59
  your perception of God, please don't get on each other's.
• 4:44:02
  Astral mean, try to keep it chill because everybody's
• 4:44:05
  involved, everybody hears awesome.
• 4:44:08
  Let's keep it cool. I'll be right back.
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  Fair enough. I'm for my experience Cindy's
• 4:44:14
  really nice. I don't have too much experience
• 4:44:16
  with rage. Your wild heart want to be here,
• 4:44:18
  but it seems like at least the majority of the people in this
• 4:44:21
  room are pretty nice and not saying, you guys are me.
• 4:44:23
  And I just don't know you guys well enough to make a character
• 4:44:25
  State. My but either one of you, I'm a
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  complete dick. But but usually, if people are
• 4:44:34
  respectful to me, I'll be respectful back.
• 4:44:36
  Well, I can respect that. I can respect that.
• 4:44:38
  What I was gonna ask wildheart want to be though, was that
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  taken it even further back than what does Cindy said about
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  Christ? Did God know.
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  Oh in the Garden of Eden definitively that Adam and Eve
• 4:44:49
  were in fact going to eat of the fruit and that we're going to
• 4:44:52
  defy him or did he have no idea that that was going to happen?
• 4:44:56
  Well those are I wouldn't agree with that dichotomy.
• 4:44:59
  I would put, I would answer it differently than either of those
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  two but I would kind of favor the first choice.
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  But I wouldn't say that because God didn't know that he had no
• 4:45:11
  no inkling about what was going on because I believe it was his
• 4:45:15
  purpose to Test human beings with the serpent and I believe
• 4:45:19
  God created the serpent as he is in order to be a tester for
• 4:45:24
  humankind. Because God wanted to test it
• 4:45:26
  human beings to participate in his kingdom.
• 4:45:30
  I mean, okay, to a certain extent, I can I think I can kind
• 4:45:34
  of know where you're coming from here, but I guess the only
• 4:45:36
  deviation from what you said there.
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  I would have is that I'm a pretty nuanced person, you know,
• 4:45:41
  Cindy could probably attest to that through the conversations
• 4:45:43
  we've had. But when it comes to knowledge,
• 4:45:46
  I think the knowledge is one of those areas where Nuance kind of
• 4:45:49
  fails and that you either know something or you don't, there's
• 4:45:53
  no in-between, where you're wishy-washy and you don't really
• 4:45:55
  quite know, especially if it's about, especially if you were an
• 4:45:59
  omniscient being especially if you are within everything that
• 4:46:03
  does exist and you really do have to know or don't know
• 4:46:06
  everything that is going to happen.
• 4:46:09
  There's really not much room for by the way deviance, by the way.
• 4:46:12
  Just because you've mentioned knowing something I never Really
• 4:46:17
  avoid very much making now its claims.
• 4:46:20
  So anybody hears me. These are what these are.
• 4:46:22
  These are just things that I believe based on all the
• 4:46:25
  presuppositions. I hold based on my whole life
• 4:46:28
  experience based on my, you know, study of the Bible,
• 4:46:32
  everything. Okay.
• 4:46:33
  So, these are my beliefs, their subjective.
• 4:46:37
  I believe that everyone has can only say the same thing.
• 4:46:41
  So, I'll give them much authority to, you know.
• 4:46:44
  I don't believe that we stand on the shoulders.
• 4:46:46
  Shoulder of giants. You know, necessarily I do
• 4:46:49
  appreciate all the writings that, you know, you can read
• 4:46:53
  about and it makes, you know, forming arguments easier
• 4:46:56
  because, you know, the all the stupid ridiculous stuff has been
• 4:46:59
  filtered down and whatever, but every it, you know, everybody in
• 4:47:03
  their lifetime, it's up to them to have to figure it out.
• 4:47:06
  And all they have is what's between your ears, go ahead and
• 4:47:09
  for sure, I don't think anybody would necessarily disagree with
• 4:47:12
  that. I guess all of that, a lot of
• 4:47:13
  Christians would agree with that.
• 4:47:14
  Well, anybody here I should say. As far as I know.
• 4:47:18
  But I'll try not to speak for other people, though.
• 4:47:22
  What I was going to ask you just to get it, get a bit of a better
• 4:47:25
  understanding of our in a broader sense of your theology.
• 4:47:28
  And I'll clarify right off the bat, I myself I'm an agnostic
• 4:47:31
  atheist. I don't personally ascribe to
• 4:47:33
  the the Christian worldview, otherwise perfectly open to
• 4:47:36
  hearing it's perspectives, are you a faith alone person or a
• 4:47:40
  faith and works in terms of salvation?
• 4:47:44
  Okay, let me explain something for it, you know, before I
• 4:47:48
  answer that. Okay, so it's important to
• 4:47:51
  understand. I mean, if you're going to
• 4:47:53
  understand my theology, is that if you want, you have to
• 4:47:57
  understand what classical theism is, and how it was derived and
• 4:48:02
  introduced into the church. And I'm talking about the
• 4:48:05
  doctrines of Simplicity, you know, where God is immutable
• 4:48:09
  impassable Transcendent, like holy Transcendent.
• 4:48:14
  We can't Understand them. That's why, you know, that's
• 4:48:16
  where - theology comes from where we can't really speak
• 4:48:20
  positively about God. So will speak.
• 4:48:23
  What? He's not.
• 4:48:24
  You know, and that we have freedom to do that, you know.
• 4:48:27
  So that's where you get these, you know, in, you know,
• 4:48:30
  immutable, you know, and all this stuff and then he has
• 4:48:35
  naught where comes in theology straight from the word them
• 4:48:38
  talk. Let me talk, just let him go.
• 4:48:40
  Excuse me. So that's where all these ideas
• 4:48:42
  of you know these The infinite God, and all this, you know,
• 4:48:46
  that they come from neoplatonism basically and then that was
• 4:48:51
  introduced into the, you know, sent critize with the Christian
• 4:48:54
  God, you know, earlier. So that's my claim and, you
• 4:48:58
  know, it can be backed up easily.
• 4:49:00
  But anyways, before I get into it, Cindy we go ahead.
• 4:49:07
  So strictly from the Bible so I extracted from the Bible, I
• 4:49:11
  don't assume these categories where God is immutable and
• 4:49:16
  impassable and never changes in the sense.
• 4:49:19
  They mean Honey. That's straight from the Bible.
• 4:49:23
  You're not arguing straight from the Bible.
• 4:49:25
  You're arguing against the Bible.
• 4:49:27
  No, I'm arguing against in. No, I'm arguing against a
• 4:49:32
  particular interpretation because actually, the Bible
• 4:49:34
  doesn't say anything. Every word has to be interpreted
• 4:49:37
  its blank. No, sir, well everywhere, right?
• 4:49:41
  I'm back, it's not without a contacts and everything else.
• 4:49:46
  I will say me. Let me ask you a question real
• 4:49:48
  quick. Just got back.
• 4:49:49
  Let me let me try something else her and I didn't ask you this
• 4:49:53
  before. According to your ideology, can
• 4:49:56
  God be surprised? Yes.
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  All right, do something mean about.
• 4:50:02
  We read about that in the. I only believe that because of
• 4:50:05
  what the Bible says about God. Okay, my wife.
• 4:50:08
  Advanced economies really big animal.
• 4:50:10
  Let me give you an example. Can something destructive happen
• 4:50:13
  in the universe. Like some major explosion or
• 4:50:17
  supernovae are meteorite flies around the Sun, God does he gets
• 4:50:22
  surprised and it wipes out Humanity.
• 4:50:25
  What can he believe? He could be surprised in that
• 4:50:29
  sense because I believe God is aware of the present.
• 4:50:32
  You're right? He's fully aware of what all is
• 4:50:35
  going on in the present. So in the formation of A meteor
• 4:50:39
  that could eventually do some damage, God would know, well
• 4:50:43
  ahead of time if you needed to take some steps or whatever, but
• 4:50:48
  as far as a human being that has free will, God can be surprised
• 4:50:51
  by what they might do. Yes.
• 4:50:56
  I think interesting. Go ahead.
• 4:50:58
  Thank you for that. Well, and if you understand what
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  happened at the flood, God regretted, making man.
• 4:51:10
  And so he flooded the Earth and got rid of them.
• 4:51:12
  All. Now, how do you account for God,
• 4:51:15
  regretting making them if he knows how to time that they
• 4:51:19
  should have been that way? Yeah, I got it.
• 4:51:22
  Meant that has always been something very unusual to me.
• 4:51:25
  Cindy. I always wondered why would God
• 4:51:27
  be angry about something that he knew was going to happen.
• 4:51:30
  Exactly. Not only that but like betrayals
• 4:51:33
  of figures like Lucifer with in heaven, like these figures.
• 4:51:36
  I mean, because like, Lucifer is, he's been described a lot of
• 4:51:39
  people, think of them as a fallen angel.
• 4:51:41
  But as far as my understanding is concerned, I believe that he
• 4:51:44
  was, he was either a cherubim or a seraphim that was actually one
• 4:51:48
  of the ones to the right of the Throne of God itself.
• 4:51:52
  He was an extremely high regard identity within the there's
• 4:51:55
  there's no biblical evidence of a pre-fall you know, of Lucifer.
• 4:51:59
  There's Only reference to a time during the what we would say is,
• 4:52:04
  you know, during Jesus first appearance, you know, as a man
• 4:52:09
  because Jesus is the one who said, you know, I saw Satan fall
• 4:52:12
  like, lightning, he referred to that.
• 4:52:14
  But in Revelation 12, we see that, you know, there's this
• 4:52:17
  story of the woman and in the dragon, you know, and if you
• 4:52:21
  follow that, you'll see, that's a description of, you know, the
• 4:52:25
  woman is about to give birth to the male child.
• 4:52:27
  Everybody just about wrecking universally Cos that as Jesus,
• 4:52:31
  right? So this, you know, and then
• 4:52:34
  that's when the third of the stars of Heaven, were thrown
• 4:52:36
  out, right? Okay.
• 4:52:37
  So, that all I'm saying, is it, and then, you know, you have
• 4:52:41
  Ezekiel and Isaiah are claimed to be pastors about Satan,
• 4:52:44
  they're clearly about men. They stated to be about men
• 4:52:49
  there in Hebrew poetry. Which uses Hyperbole, and all
• 4:52:53
  kinds of fantastic, kind of images to portray things.
• 4:52:57
  Yeah. But you know, if you're going to
• 4:52:58
  be literal, Cause the one talks about him you were a chair of
• 4:53:03
  any him. Well, the only chair up there
• 4:53:05
  was given a flaming sword to guard the way of the Tree of
• 4:53:08
  Life. Satan isn't portrayed as a chair
• 4:53:11
  up there if you're going to be literal, right?
• 4:53:13
  Okay. So anyways I just want to point
• 4:53:15
  out a few things to you know about her that is completely
• 4:53:20
  showing that you didn't read it. It's not an Azure.
• 4:53:23
  It didn't really scription. You can't say that Satan didn't
• 4:53:28
  fall until Jesus is time when it says clearly in the Bible that
• 4:53:32
  he did and Isaiah was a say that now Isaiah is very clearly
• 4:53:39
  showing that it's referring to both a human and Satan very
• 4:53:43
  clearly. I've heard I've heard some
• 4:53:45
  Christians argue that the verse may be representing King
• 4:53:49
  Nebuchadnezzar, I think look, it comes in the whole context of
• 4:53:54
  Kingdom Earthly Kingdom after Earthly King.
• 4:53:56
  And being talked about the woes guys, going to bring it all ties
• 4:54:00
  into Babylon. Write the actual Kingdom that
• 4:54:03
  God is going to allow to bring, you know, his judgments to all
• 4:54:07
  these nations around that's what's going on.
• 4:54:10
  And it's, you know, so because they because people don't
• 4:54:13
  understand that poetry isn't literal, they have a hard time.
• 4:54:19
  No sir. The Lord did not make the Bible
• 4:54:22
  so that only you could understand and you have to tell
• 4:54:25
  everybody, it wasn't my idea. Well hurry, hi hello.
• 4:54:35
  Welcome today. When you poured something from a
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  bottle into a cup one time, did it turn into water, it turn into
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  water, you making me thirsty, they're making me thirsty, I
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  take it by. What you talking about it water
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  before. So I'm me right now.
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  We're talking about God's power and ability and Future entity is
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  knowledge of the future. Do you have any views on that?
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  I understand that you like to come into a room and just go on
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  some like 10 minute, rant and everything and you try to stay
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  with the discussion with us if that's possible.
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  You broke him. I'm sorry that hurts your
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  feelings. I'm sorry.
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  All right. Back to the station.
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  Hopefully, I didn't surprise God on that one.
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  What I was I was going to bring up something that wildheart want
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  to be brought up in that there's parts of Christianity, he
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  claimed and correct me if I'm wrong with this quotation.
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  But he says that there's a lot of Christians that take Greek
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  philosophy and makes it with Christian.
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  The G. Would that be accurate to what
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  you said? Yeah.
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  Specifically neoplatonism as it, you know, as it was received in
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  the like, the early 1st and 2nd, centuries third, you know,
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  especially by Augustin, I was about to say, it's kind of
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  difficult to separate the Greek way of thinking from the early
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  Christian Church, though, in the sense, that Christianity emerged
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  in a part of the world were Greek was not only the majority
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  language but Greeks. Thought was by far the majority
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  not originally but hold on, just let me finish.
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  Sorry I'm not trying to squash your anything like God I'm just
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  saying it was a bit later of a switch to the Greek world.
• 4:56:30
  Go ahead not not necessarily the Sergeant's Origins.
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  The Septuagint emerges. Not too long.
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  After the Hebrew version of the of the Bible, as far as
• 4:56:40
  translations are concerned. The Septuagint is definitely one
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  of the especially considered by almost any Theologian, you'll
• 4:56:46
  talk to you to be. Just say there's no doubt that
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  Christianity emerged in Judaism and then spread quickly to the
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  Greek world that for sure thing. Hey, for sure in Acts 15, it's
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  even debated. Whether or not even Gentiles,
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  should be converted to Christianity.
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  Also, go ahead with your point. I'm sorry.
• 4:57:03
  I didn't mean to interrupt. No, no, it's fine.
• 4:57:06
  I like, tangent. So good, what I was gonna say
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  was, is that Greek thought and Greek ways of thinking are
• 4:57:14
  pretty much Inseparable from Christianity, as As we know it
• 4:57:18
  today in a lot of different aspects, like what you said,
• 4:57:21
  people like saying Augustine people like Saint John
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  chrysostom. He's very, very fundamental what
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  the Eastern Orthodox and some Catholics would refer to as the
• 4:57:30
  church fathers that set down a lot of early Doctrine for
• 4:57:34
  Christianity, as we decided today, even places like a nicaea
• 4:57:38
  which was a majority Greek city. At the time was where the first
• 4:57:41
  ecumenical council was held were very fundamental aspects of
• 4:57:44
  Christianity? Like the books of the Bible as
• 4:57:46
  we currently know. The more decided and whether or
• 4:57:49
  not Christ's Nature's were solely men, solely God or both.
• 4:57:55
  So I don't necessarily think that you can separate to a
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  certain degree. Greek thinking from Christian
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  thought, but to act early on it, remember toe and hit, you know,
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  was famous. I think it was him but somebody
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  very her first century later. First century at least was like
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  famously said, you know, what does Athens have to do with
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  Jerusalem? So they were definitely having
• 4:58:19
  that struggle at the time. Oh for sure.
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  And I think you're saying is that God doesn't have the
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  ability to preserve his message and that Greeks or somebody else
• 4:58:31
  could change his message. So that means that you think
• 4:58:35
  that God's word is not preserved in the Bible, Okay.
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  Are you saying that Christians can't quickly become you know go
• 4:58:46
  down into are very quickly. I'm saying the Bible is as the
• 4:58:51
  Lord intended, his message to go out and it wasn't perverted by
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  Okay, but I was kind of appealing to the example that
• 4:59:01
  scripture gives us of even churches at Paul's established.
• 4:59:05
  Like the galatian church who Paul was amazed how quickly they
• 4:59:08
  had run off into are basically. So you can't, you can't depend
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  on the fact that the early fathers who no longer had these
• 4:59:17
  Apostles to tell him. What's up, didn't make any
• 4:59:20
  mistakes. So, you think there's mistakes
• 4:59:23
  in the Bible? No, I'm saying there's mistake
• 4:59:27
  and Doctrine, I trust the Bible but you have to interpret it,
• 4:59:32
  you know, properly. I would say no sir I well you
• 4:59:35
  don't have to interpret it properly.
• 4:59:38
  It's a pretty clear read sir and your interpretation is bordering
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  on heresy which is why I'm being a little rude.
• 4:59:46
  I don't mind being called a heretic.
• 4:59:48
  I go by irenic pelagian generally speaking.
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  Yeah I'm just put this name I'm because I wild out it was in
• 4:59:53
  here so I don't fear the heretic label.
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  All I care about is what's true and see.
• 4:59:58
  Its I don't think you can refute any my views from the pages of
• 5:00:02
  the text. We don't know, just to say you
• 5:00:06
  have it. You've only said I don't Don't
• 5:00:08
  like that view. That's not an argument.
• 5:00:10
  No sir I didn't. I we just put up a bunch of
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  scriptures that contain the word predestined or elect or none of
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  them showed. God necessarily knows the future
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  in detail. I disagree.
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  Well, I made an argument that these things are about what God
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  has planned for those who are his, okay, okay, but can I just
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  can I just wrap it and that and I brought destination.
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  Yeah. Can I wrap it back around to
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  what you were saying earlier? A wild heart?
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  Yeah, I believe what you were saying earlier was a knowledge
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  claim versus a power claim or something like that.
• 5:00:47
  Some II make-believe claims, okay?
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  Okay. Well, I believe so, you know,
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  like if you can how do you know? Well, I don't know if you know,
• 5:00:56
  I believe it I can tell you why I believe so.
• 5:00:58
  No, I'm not I'm not saying whether or not you believe fast
• 5:01:02
  guys don't make knowledge claims just just to straighten
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  something out. It is important to Define
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  predestined as it was put in the Bible.
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  It says of an outcome of course of events determined in advance
• 5:01:17
  by Divine will or fate. I hate to say it.
• 5:01:20
  Looks but he might actually have an argument towards us and I am
• 5:01:24
  open-minded enough to listen to it.
• 5:01:26
  If it starts getting incorrect, I'll be sure to step up and say
• 5:01:31
  something, especially when you realize that election in the New
• 5:01:34
  Testament, especially in Paul is a corporate idea, not an
• 5:01:38
  individual. That doesn't affect the fact
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  that that's in advance. That is true because God has
• 5:01:46
  hey, yeah, you know, but you couldn't show that anywhere that
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  God knows who they are that is going to, you know, be conformed
• 5:01:55
  to the image of his son. All we know biblically is that
• 5:01:58
  it's a promise to Believers in the future and it's we know
• 5:02:01
  that's God's plan and we know from other research for other
• 5:02:05
  reasons that God doesn't know the future.
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  Like for instance, by he regretted, making me.
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  And kind and had to Kill Them All.
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  That doesn't mean he didn't know it.
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  And it is. Why would he regret something
• 5:02:22
  that he knows that ahead of time?
• 5:02:24
  Well, ahead of time he knows it's going to.
• 5:02:26
  It doesn't make sense for God to regret that I'm sorry.
• 5:02:30
  Sorry. 99 other incidents in the word where it talks about the
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  Lord knowing things in advance. Can I bring something we can
• 5:02:39
  deal with anyone in particular? I think I could show that what
• 5:02:42
  you're what you're asserting isn't necessarily the case I've
• 5:02:46
  got some Sure here. That I'd like to read here,
• 5:02:49
  maybe this will be a little bit more specific as it pertains to
• 5:02:52
  this conversation. Jeremiah 1:5 in The New
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  International Version States. Before I formed you in the womb,
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  I knew you. Before you were born, I set you
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  apart. I appointed you as a prophet to
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  the nation's. He outright says there that he
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  knows you before. He is even formed you in the
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  womb, that sounds like predestination and pre
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  determinism to me. That seems pretty black and
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  white. Well, at least for knowledge.
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  Okay, so he does have a point there.
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  Mr. Eccentric. Okay, so this will have to bring
• 5:03:28
  us back to what your view of humanity is and the how well how
• 5:03:38
  things are passed along from one to another it does touch on that
• 5:03:42
  question because it's my view that well.
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  Well where does a soul come from?
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  That's the question you. Answer that's not relevant.
• 5:03:54
  He's saying he knew us before we were born and there's other
• 5:03:57
  places where it says Soul free exist.
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  The do Souls pre-exists the forehead of however, however
• 5:04:05
  long a period might a soul pre-exists the conception the
• 5:04:10
  topic or arguing is does God know things in advance now he is
• 5:04:17
  trying to get at that every working for you as well as
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  There's out there that have existed in some kind of
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  spiritual former Essence before we became human.
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  That's a pre-existence argument. He's talking about.
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  No, I think you're as a used stayed on that.
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  Yeah, I wouldn't make particulars about it.
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  But even if God was to immediately create a soul prior
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  to the conception of the physical conception and and then
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  At the soul. If God is in any way, implanting
• 5:04:54
  a soul then he knows them before.
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  He was in the womb. Could you tell me the drawing
• 5:05:00
  that I'm about to make before I draw it?
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  Could you tell me what specific picture I was about to draw
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  there before I've created it. No, the only way that you can
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  have any knowledge of something is if in one way shape or form,
• 5:05:13
  it is already existed. Yeah, sure.
• 5:05:15
  Maybe that Soul isn't actually exist in the physical world that
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  that point, but there has to be something that's There, there
• 5:05:21
  has to be some essence of the very least, like, what Brad and
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  I have gotten to know. I write if God immediately
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  institute's or constitute constitutes a soul for
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  implantation into a person that's being formed in a womb.
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  I don't know how that happens, right?
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  But I believe God knows the person in the womb easily,
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  right? That's just present knowledge
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  and it all you have to do is take one step back and assume
• 5:05:50
  make the Something is it possible that the soul precedes
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  the formation of the egg, you know when when the egg and sperm
• 5:05:59
  come together. Why are you trying to climb this
• 5:06:04
  shots? Well, I'm saying even I don't
• 5:06:08
  know what you think about that actually proves the that God
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  knows ok. So OK here.
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  I should have made this real clear.
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  Okay, the Greek conception. Okay neoplatonism.
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  Even if you didn't I what that those are the origins now the
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  kind of omniscience that comes along with this Doctrine is an
• 5:06:30
  omniscience that is inherent. It's you know, it's odd.
• 5:06:34
  It's automatic in other words. I don't and God doesn't learn.
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  You know, he doesn't see something and then taking my
• 5:06:40
  knowledge and now he knows something that's not the kind of
• 5:06:44
  knowledge that were talking about.
• 5:06:45
  It's not, you know, it's, you know, it's a particular kind of
• 5:06:49
  omniscience, right? That God has according to the
• 5:06:53
  ideas that surround all these Greek ideas that they, I say
• 5:06:58
  they've assigned to God. So in other words, like so what
• 5:07:03
  you'll find is God all throughout scripture.
• 5:07:06
  Our God Knows by seeing he, you know, he takes in the
• 5:07:09
  scriptures, God is always taking in information but you know, by
• 5:07:13
  seeing right. So that's a if you if you see if
• 5:07:17
  you allow that God takes in information by seeing then
• 5:07:21
  you're rejecting classical theism that kind of omniscience,
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  okay? Just to be clear.
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  No sir, you're actually rejecting the sovereignty and
• 5:07:34
  omniscience of God. It says, clearly that he knows
• 5:07:37
  the end from the beginning. Yeah, the beginning of what?
• 5:07:46
  Why are you taking that from Isaiah because, well, where are
• 5:07:50
  you doing the middle of explaining and apologetic?
• 5:07:53
  Lord, no, he's explaining his own apologetic by saying, you
• 5:07:57
  know, you know, I know the and I know the end from the beginning,
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  right? It's, it says, he's from the
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  beginning and beginning, right? That's better, you know, that's
• 5:08:10
  more correct. Yeah, he declares the end right,
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  it's not a knowledge claim. It's, he's a making a
• 5:08:15
  declaration. Raishin.
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  And if you read through the text all, he makes in there are Power
• 5:08:20
  claims claims that what he's going to do?
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  Okay. Now we got of course, no
• 5:08:25
  heating. What would a god, of course, you
• 5:08:28
  know what he can do. And there's no question that
• 5:08:32
  what he does will affect the future if he decides to do it.
• 5:08:36
  But that's not that's not, we're not talking about that, we're
• 5:08:39
  talking about this knowledge of all things, and every detail
• 5:08:43
  that God could just like in a crystal ball, look, Look and see
• 5:08:46
  the future. That's not what there's no
• 5:08:48
  crystal ball. There's no crystal ball.
• 5:08:51
  That's a strong. Got even saying, imagine the
• 5:08:54
  crystal ball was just God's knowledge, you know, complete
• 5:08:57
  knowledge of all things. That's what you believe, right?
• 5:09:00
  Sir, do you think that God knew that Jesus would die on the
• 5:09:04
  cross for our sins at the foundation of the Earth?
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  Yeah, I believe he knew that Jesus would be willing.
• 5:09:14
  He knew that he would be willing but it didn't know that that
• 5:09:16
  event would occur because those are two very different things.
• 5:09:19
  And actually, yeah, well, right. One, second, everybody, one
• 5:09:23
  second or somebody's asking is this an active debate with
• 5:09:27
  Christianity? This open theism stuff anybody's
• 5:09:30
  welcome to come in here and have a topic for discussion.
• 5:09:33
  But anything you, like, it's just that this got brought up
• 5:09:36
  and we're trying to figure out, are these Power claims?
• 5:09:38
  Or these knowledge claims is this future editi?
• 5:09:41
  I find it interesting. I don't know why people are
• 5:09:44
  Getting so worked up over it. It's a it's people's thoughts
• 5:09:48
  and ideas investments in what they think is the truth, which
• 5:09:51
  is good. Well, I don't necessarily know,
• 5:09:55
  it's kind of demonstrated in scripture, at least from what I
• 5:09:58
  understand of it that in the night before.
• 5:10:01
  Christ's execution, the night of his crucifixion and the I forget
• 5:10:05
  the name of the garden that they were within.
• 5:10:08
  We're casting many. Yeah, within their Christ
• 5:10:12
  actually asks, God, it's To my knowledge serves me correct.
• 5:10:15
  If he does actually have to do this is that this is in fact
• 5:10:19
  necessary, this is the only way is what I believe, not
• 5:10:23
  specifically what he said. But something of that nature,
• 5:10:26
  right? Jesus Will.
• 5:10:27
  And the father's will didn't line up.
• 5:10:29
  Yes, Jesus was praying if there's any way that I can
• 5:10:33
  escape this, you know, please excuse my.
• 5:10:36
  But he did say, but your will be done, and that's kind of the, my
• 5:10:39
  will, but yours. Well, that's actually one of the
• 5:10:42
  biggest arguments that Aryans actually used to make back in
• 5:10:46
  the day when I say area and I don't mean like Nazi
• 5:10:48
  goose-stepping area. You're talking about.
• 5:10:50
  Yeah, various. Yeah.
• 5:10:52
  Arius and the early church they use the Garden of Gethsemane is
• 5:10:55
  an example of while. It's very clear here, that
• 5:10:58
  Christ is his own man, that he's separated from the nature of God
• 5:11:02
  in some way, shape, or form. And that, he is not, in fact, he
• 5:11:07
  is not of one mind with God. So, that's another area of Greek
• 5:11:11
  philosophy that I don't hold to. Like, I don't hold to Ation ex
• 5:11:14
  nihilo, I hold that. I'm, I hold to a Biblical, what
• 5:11:18
  I call a Biblical pantheism, where God, birthed the universe.
• 5:11:23
  And I just, I appeal to scripture for that because
• 5:11:29
  making something coming from nothing is a, that's a, it
• 5:11:33
  doesn't make any sense. Well, God can even it can even
• 5:11:36
  be demonstrated that not only does God, know your thoughts,
• 5:11:40
  but he knows the intent of your thoughts, he knows what you
• 5:11:42
  mean. When you think those It's, you
• 5:11:44
  know, and fraudulent monocle First Chronicles, 28:9 as for
• 5:11:48
  you, my son Solomon, know that if I know that the god of your
• 5:11:53
  father and know the god of your father, sorry, and serve him
• 5:11:57
  with a whole heart and a willing mind for the Lord searches all
• 5:12:01
  hearts. And understands every intent of
• 5:12:04
  the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will let you
• 5:12:07
  find him, but if you forsake Him He will reject you forever.
• 5:12:12
  That's right. And God Will change his mind.
• 5:12:15
  That's his own. That's his modus operandi in
• 5:12:18
  general. If you just read Jeremiah, is it
• 5:12:21
  18? I think the first like seven or
• 5:12:24
  eight versus you see that God says, look if whenever I make a
• 5:12:29
  promise that I'm going to bless a nation.
• 5:12:32
  If that Nation turns and does evil, I will not bless it.
• 5:12:36
  I'll curse it. And the says the opposite and
• 5:12:40
  you know, if I say I'm going to destroy a nation and they God
• 5:12:44
  says, I will not do what I thought to do to it.
• 5:12:50
  Now, did he really think he was going to destroy the nation and
• 5:12:54
  they repented and he changed his mind or was this all just got
• 5:12:59
  playing things out? God damn showman.
• 5:13:04
  Do you have a Bible available to you?
• 5:13:09
  Cindy, can you say that again? Do you have a Bible on hand?
• 5:13:14
  Yeah, I can give you a Bible crosswalk or Blue Letter Bible
• 5:13:19
  or whatever. You're going to have to
• 5:13:21
  understand Cindy. I told you I allow people from
• 5:13:24
  all different type of viewpoints and Christianity and different
• 5:13:27
  faiths and non voice in the room.
• 5:13:30
  You have to have to get a thicker shell there.
• 5:13:33
  Dear not to offend you. I think the cheese reasonably
• 5:13:40
  disagree with him to be honest. Maybe some of the language that
• 5:13:43
  she used there as strong as it was.
• 5:13:45
  I don't necessarily agree with but I think it's actually a
• 5:13:48
  pretty healthy discussion that's going on right now.
• 5:13:50
  Between two, very obviously different points of view.
• 5:13:53
  Unfortunately, I don't know if it's in these aware but
• 5:13:56
  everybody that's in the room can see what's going on in the
• 5:13:59
  private chat and you're basically you're saying that
• 5:14:02
  he's blaspheming. So yes, sir, he's taking with
• 5:14:06
  medium. You said the Lord, you wouldn't
• 5:14:09
  say that. Unless you really believe that
• 5:14:11
  only as you interpret it, I'm touching on your interpretation.
• 5:14:15
  That's all no sir, I believe that it's what the clear
• 5:14:20
  teaching is and if you're saying that, God didn't know that Jesus
• 5:14:24
  was going to die for our sins before the foundation of the
• 5:14:27
  world that is Not. Okay, that's not what I want to
• 5:14:34
  know, where your appealing where are in the text.
• 5:14:37
  Are you appealing to? And then, let's get into the
• 5:14:39
  Greek of that tax, please? I don't need to get the
• 5:14:42
  revelation. Well, I think you're
• 5:14:45
  understanding the passage. I don't think.
• 5:14:47
  I think you're misunderstanding. Every I don't think passage what
• 5:14:52
  I brought that's what you say. Every passage that we are these
• 5:14:58
  passes. According to what the context of
• 5:15:00
  the passage is you have negated them according to your own
• 5:15:04
  interpretation and negated ideas, you have about the
• 5:15:08
  interpretation, unless you get that straight and have the
• 5:15:11
  humility to understand, these are just your ideas and you'd
• 5:15:14
  have to back. Come up and you can't just not
• 5:15:16
  eat this. My ideas it's nice to make the
• 5:15:19
  argument. I want to see the text and I
• 5:15:21
  want to see why you think God knew Jesus was going to die.
• 5:15:25
  From whenever you say that's all I want I want some Bible is this
• 5:15:31
  Cindy Cindy this why I asked you if you have a Bible if you feel
• 5:15:37
  like he's incorrect and open up the Bible and a tear him up, I
• 5:15:42
  he's more than ready to rock and roll.
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  Ephesians 1:4 and there's Peter 1. 104.
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  Okay, what is okay? I can open it up.
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  Actually First Peter 1 is better for Peter 1:19 with the precious
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  blood of Christ as of a lamb without blemish.
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  Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the
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  world. Okay, like I said we have to get
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  into the Greek on some of these not only that but it's a fusion
• 5:16:21
  14 that is respond to that than if you want to or rage or
• 5:16:33
  whatever, let's not do a shotgun effect was keep it intellectual
• 5:16:37
  here folks. Now.
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  You're right that, that's my bad.
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  I'm sorry, it's all good. So good Cindy.
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  I hope you don't feel like I'm getting on your Yes, I'm just
• 5:16:44
  saying I am I would prefer that we actually intellectually, take
• 5:16:49
  someone's you down then just get into this.
• 5:16:52
  How your blaspheming and you know get the get the torch burn
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  the witch. Really quick here just so we do
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  with somebody about to speak there.
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  I was I was just wasn't dinner it was it first Peter one that
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  yeah, 1901 1902. Okay, thank you.
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  I was looking for Where do I end up while he's
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  looking it up. I want to say, I hope you guys
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  been having a pleasant day. Everything's been rocking and
• 5:17:38
  rolling for you all. Yeah.
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  For sure. Okay.
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  Yeah, go ahead. All right, so I'll just, I'm
• 5:17:47
  reading out of this is just Christian Standard Bible.
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  Okay? So Verse 18, for, you know, that
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  for, you know, that you were redeemed from your empty way of
• 5:17:58
  life. Inherited from your father's,
• 5:17:59
  not with perishable things like silver or gold.
• 5:18:02
  But with the precious blood of Christ like that of an
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  unblemished and spotless lamb verse 20, he was foreknown
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  before the foundation of the world, but was revealed in these
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  last times for you. Through him.
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  You believe in God who raised him from the dead and gave him
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  glory. So I'm not seeing any conflict
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  with the fact. I mean it it's saying Christ was
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  known. Nobody, I don't think anyone
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  denies that Jesus was known from any point.
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  All right, because he's Eternal now and he was revealed in time
• 5:18:43
  but there's nothing here that indicates that it was for known
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  that he was for known as the Spotless.
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  Lamb doesn't. I mean which is I think that's
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  what you'd have to see. That's what you'd have to
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  demonstrate, is that it was as the lamb he was known right?
• 5:19:06
  Says, quite clearly, the lamb was slain from the foundation of
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  the world. You got a neat just that nothing
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  was for known and yet how you're saying it is for known, not only
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  that but no, he was foreknown. Who is he the word?
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  Yes. Is that who were recruited?
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  Well, I think he's wrong pointing out.
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  I'm pointing out that. No one disagrees, that the word
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  was foreknown before ever. The world was made, right?
• 5:19:41
  Jesus was born on, but he at that time he was the word.
• 5:19:45
  He wasn't Jesus, right? The word is Jesus, sir.
• 5:19:51
  I was about to say, of didn't actually believe the Incarnation
• 5:19:55
  happened in a point of time. I'm failing to see your point.
• 5:20:04
  Well, Jesus is the Incarnation of Jesus was just the word or
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  not just the word, but he was the word, and he was known as
• 5:20:14
  the word and he was for known as the word.
• 5:20:17
  Nobody disputes that while. I'm not sure what you said that,
• 5:20:24
  God didn't know that Jesus was going to die for our Ends before
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  it happened. You said that God doesn't know
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  the future and I'm taking strong intention with that.
• 5:20:39
  Okay. So now we're right.
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  Okay, that's what I thought. So, what I don't, I try to point
• 5:20:44
  out from the verse just this one verse you pointed out.
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  First, Peter 1, 1920 that there's all there is, is that
• 5:20:53
  Jesus, you know, it doesn't say Obviously the Incarnate Christ
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  wasn't known Right in at least. It doesn't say that outright it
• 5:21:03
  just says that he was known. He was foreknown, right?
• 5:21:06
  And of course, oh, it doesn't mean that Jesus was for know.
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  The lamb without blemish and without spot who verily was
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  foreordained before the foundation of the world, but
• 5:21:25
  revealed in these last times. That's how we know.
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  He's the unblemished and spotless lamb.
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  It was known and ordained in advance that I understand you
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  take it that way and you can't see it any other way, but if you
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  think that's a necessary interpretation, I would disagree
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  with you. Can I can I try to make a
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  distinction here because I think there may be a little bit of a
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  communication issue going on here.
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  I could be completely wrong in both.
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  You're welcome to correct me if I am here but sure it kind of
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  seems to me like Seems like wild heart is trying to talk about
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  whether or not, he was known to the nations of the Earth or
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  whether or not he was known to the inhabitants.
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  No. Okay, then I was totally wrong.
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  No, but I mean that's you're referring to point for knowledge
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  of God. God knew ahead of time.
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  That Jesus was going to die for our sins.
• 5:22:21
  Yes. I know I was only but I was only
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  bring up the nations of the Earth because of that second
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  part of it. What what is the what is
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  referring to human knowledge in the Past.
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  That's what you can't just throw that out.
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  That's what I was trying to refer to.
• 5:22:37
  Sorry that was that's just another art world.
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  Would you get that out of it? Humans wouldn't know.
• 5:22:42
  An advanced humans had no clue why Jesus was dying?
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  No, it would be whether the intent of the author was whether
• 5:22:50
  it was his intent to be referring to the knowledge that
• 5:22:54
  humans had way back then. The lamb without spot.
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  Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the
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  world. Humans.
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  Can't foreordain a lamb, right? Nobody's suggesting.
• 5:23:12
  It wasn't God. Who for ordained that Jesus.
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  Would you just did you just did you're talking about both sides
• 5:23:19
  of your mouth? Hey guys, real quick.
• 5:23:23
  I just want to jump in and say I have to go to sleep.
• 5:23:26
  It was fun talking to. All of you is really nice
• 5:23:28
  meeting you Cindy and I'll leave you Christians to your Christian
• 5:23:32
  dealings. I don't pipe in usually when
• 5:23:36
  Christians are going at each That you guys deal with that.
• 5:23:39
  So I'm going to go to bed. Y'all have a great night.
• 5:23:41
  Nice to meet you want to trade. We are going to be doing a show
• 5:23:45
  tomorrow, but tqr is hosting and I'll do one on Friday.
• 5:23:49
  So you got all we need. Oh yeah, yeah, hey, yeah.
• 5:23:54
  I'll definitely try to join Friday's hastening.
• 5:23:59
  I was just going to say I would be curious to note if This is
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  clearly enough so that even an atheist could read this and
• 5:24:12
  understand what it meant. Although I realize that might be
• 5:24:17
  putting you on the spot, but I am very curious.
• 5:24:20
  I was, I've been thinking about what in the world are you
• 5:24:23
  thinking about this? I kind of tuned out.
• 5:24:27
  I've been in the side chat, talking to people.
• 5:24:29
  It's okay. It was sure nice to meet you.
• 5:24:35
  I wish I wouldn't have. So Cindy, I would actually love
• 5:24:38
  to have you on my channel for a nice chat.
• 5:24:40
  I won't go ahead. She very hard, but I promise,
• 5:24:42
  I'll like watch this back and give My thoughts, wherever we
• 5:24:47
  meet again because I will watch it back.
• 5:24:50
  You know, when it comes to irenic, I usually don't have too
• 5:24:54
  many issues with his like spiritual beliefs are issues
• 5:24:58
  tend to revolve around social issues.
• 5:25:03
  Yeah, but you know, I try not to judge.
• 5:25:07
  I try not to judge theists based on their spiritual beliefs
• 5:25:11
  because as an atheist, I right. I tend not to believe in any of
• 5:25:15
  them so I want to try to be fair and balanced when it comes to
• 5:25:19
  that but me and ironic we have our issues on social.
• 5:25:24
  Yeah as well. And I wasn't inquiring about if
• 5:25:27
  you believed in. I was inquiring if yeah you know
• 5:25:30
  I'll probably for the world it has to be incomprehensible.
• 5:25:35
  I mean if you want to read it because I've read the Bible
• 5:25:37
  several times I'm actually fascinated by the Bible a lot of
• 5:25:43
  times even though It might be hard to gather that from my
• 5:25:47
  channel, but yeah, I do read the Bible so I could probably give
• 5:25:51
  you at least my interpretation. You can reach me on messenger,
• 5:25:58
  it's Facebook. Yeah, huh.
• 5:26:01
  All right, Cindy, it's the inti and then Lincoln like Abraham,
• 5:26:11
  all right. And then, you know, my name is
• 5:26:13
  Ronnie. My name is Ronnie, take the
• 5:26:16
  second on Facebook. So, yeah, I'll definitely reach
• 5:26:19
  out to you on Facebook. I would love to chat with you
• 5:26:21
  just even privately. Will disagree theologically but
• 5:26:26
  I think you're very strong person and I've enjoyed watching
• 5:26:30
  you since I've come across you since you come out I knew about
• 5:26:35
  you before I ever saw you so it was nice to see you and now it's
• 5:26:40
  finally it was nice to have a chance you consummated the
• 5:26:43
  relationship looser. God bless you.
• 5:26:47
  All right. Good night, right.
• 5:26:49
  Yeah. I'll reach out to you today on
• 5:26:50
  Facebook. And yeah, thanks for having me
• 5:26:52
  Brett. Irenic You know despite our
• 5:26:53
  differences. As I think you're pretty chill.
• 5:26:55
  We smoke a lot of weed together. I was supposed to be working.
• 5:26:58
  So now you're gonna give people reason not to believe me what
• 5:27:02
  I'm sorry. Sorry, but I'd smoke I smoke a
• 5:27:05
  blunt with you. All right.
• 5:27:06
  Y'all have a good night. It's medicinal.
• 5:27:11
  That's not a thing. You know what I don't judge you
• 5:27:14
  been I don't blame anybody if they want to smoke a little bit
• 5:27:16
  of weed. Even if it is recreational, at
• 5:27:18
  least personally. I don't know Brett what your
• 5:27:20
  views I mean if you want us to talk about that if that's okay
• 5:27:23
  with you, but I know that Needs a bit of one of those
• 5:27:25
  controversial ones. Well, I heard that, they're
• 5:27:28
  trying to pass a bill to legalize marijuana and Lead if
• 5:27:32
  they legalize it. It's a laws of the land.
• 5:27:35
  The way I feel about it even though I choose not to do drugs
• 5:27:39
  or get into any kind of major substances or anything like
• 5:27:42
  that. I believe that every man is a
• 5:27:44
  master of his own destiny and Free Will.
• 5:27:47
  He can choose to do with this body if God has a problem with
• 5:27:50
  it, then God's going to talk to that person about when the time
• 5:27:53
  comes, that's not my My business.
• 5:27:56
  Oh hey, fair enough. I can respect that point of view
• 5:27:58
  perfectly fine. I mean, up here in Canada, it's
• 5:28:01
  been legal. And however, since 2018 and
• 5:28:05
  suffice it to say that all of these conservatives that were
• 5:28:07
  always saying it was going to be the end of the world.
• 5:28:09
  Well, Society hasn't quite broken down here yet.
• 5:28:12
  So, it seems It's the only time made only time you hear me, say
• 5:28:16
  anything of ignorance or meanness towards one ever comes
• 5:28:20
  drugs. As I have, a real issue with
• 5:28:22
  alcoholic should get India. Holes because my best leader
• 5:28:25
  killed by a drunk driver. If a motherfucker wants to sit
• 5:28:29
  in his house and do his shit. I meet some but cake or
• 5:28:31
  whatever. That's it.
• 5:28:33
  Come take it on the road to fill a little old lady or something
• 5:28:36
  now for sure for sure just to kind of bring the conversation a
• 5:28:40
  little bit forward from what was already being discussed.
• 5:28:43
  There's this person named Cheryl in the chat that earlier
• 5:28:46
  mentioned. Now get to the purpose of the
• 5:28:50
  Cross. I'm not quite sure what they
• 5:28:52
  entail by that, but I think that may have been in context of what
• 5:28:56
  you guys were earlier discussing.
• 5:28:58
  I'm not quite sure. Well, it's like the whole Arc of
• 5:29:02
  the Bible is about involves the cross and but mostly the
• 5:29:05
  resurrection. Yeah, from the New Testament.
• 5:29:09
  Absolutely. That's the central focus of it.
• 5:29:11
  As I'm gets the argued that the whole problem was all Humanity
• 5:29:15
  was going to die. And there was no rescue plan
• 5:29:19
  that anybody knew of So the resurrection is the wreck that
• 5:29:23
  rescue plan for all Humanity going to die.
• 5:29:28
  Well I mean isn't it that I am slain from the foundation of the
• 5:29:32
  world was the rescue plan that the Lord had before the problem
• 5:29:36
  ever started? Yeah I called it the
• 5:29:39
  resurrection. So if he had a plan for it
• 5:29:42
  before the problem, even started Cindy, then that means that he
• 5:29:45
  knew that mankind was going to fall and make the mistakes that
• 5:29:48
  they were going to make from the onset of things.
• 5:29:51
  Yes, sir. I believe that's what scripture
• 5:29:53
  teaches. Okay, I just I just wanted to
• 5:29:57
  clarify whether or not that's what you were talking about.
• 5:29:59
  That's all yeah. The other verse that says the
• 5:30:02
  lamb was slain from the foundation of the world is
• 5:30:05
  revelation 13. Right.
• 5:30:08
  And there's a really cool thought that I had we had a
• 5:30:15
  section on the science center on this when Adam and Eve sinned
• 5:30:21
  God replaced. Their fig leaves with what
• 5:30:27
  animal skins. Which requires?
• 5:30:32
  Death. Well, not and you can just
• 5:30:36
  create animal skins. Prior to that there was no
• 5:30:42
  death, they only ate fruit meat was only given After the flood
• 5:30:47
  in Genesis chapter 9. So that would have been the
• 5:30:53
  first death. And I would contend that.
• 5:30:59
  That was probably. So remember God said that if you
• 5:31:04
  in the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die.
• 5:31:09
  And Satan said in the day that you eat of it, you will be wise,
• 5:31:12
  like God, And obviously they made the wrong person.
• 5:31:17
  They believed the wrong one, but they didn't die that day.
• 5:31:23
  So when God said in the day that you eat of it, you shall surely
• 5:31:26
  die. Obviously, they didn't die.
• 5:31:30
  And we know that the purpose of the Cross was substitutionary
• 5:31:34
  atonement. That means he died for us and so
• 5:31:40
  Adam and Eve didn't die that day.
• 5:31:41
  Because the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world
• 5:31:45
  provided that lambskin. He died.
• 5:31:50
  If there was this yeah, there was evidence that this lamb was
• 5:31:54
  slain like you say. So if I could just read in
• 5:31:59
  Revelation here, I'll start at verse 13. 13:5, the Beast was
• 5:32:05
  given a mouth to utter boast and blasphemies.
• 5:32:08
  It was allowed to exercise Authority for 42 months.
• 5:32:12
  It began to speak, blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his
• 5:32:15
  name and his dwelling, those who dwell in.
• 5:32:18
  Evan and it was permitted to wage war against the Saints and
• 5:32:21
  to conquer them, it was also given authority over every tribe
• 5:32:25
  people language and Nation. All those who live on the earth
• 5:32:28
  will worship it. Everyone whose name was not
• 5:32:32
  written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of
• 5:32:37
  the land. Now, that's not like, breathe.
• 5:32:39
  That's not real. I just read it.
• 5:32:41
  I just read it. Well I don't know what agencies
• 5:32:44
  using I'm using one that hears closer to Ooh, the Greek text.
• 5:32:51
  No, just trying to explain. It says the Book of Life, their
• 5:32:57
  names are not written in the Book of Life of the lamb slain,
• 5:33:02
  right? But the writings of it's the
• 5:33:04
  it's the writing of the names that occur in that book from the
• 5:33:09
  foundation of front. You know, since the beginning of
• 5:33:11
  the, you know, since we had a people, okay, from that moment
• 5:33:16
  on names are in that book. They're being recorded right now
• 5:33:20
  that I believe it's teaching that I believe I am as look
• 5:33:25
  clearly that the lamb was slain from the foundation, not the
• 5:33:29
  names were written or perhaps. It's both.
• 5:33:33
  However, the lamb is in this kit in this translation, I grant,
• 5:33:37
  this is just a translators choice to do it this way, right?
• 5:33:40
  But these are professional Scholars.
• 5:33:43
  Says, you know, all those who live on the earth will worship
• 5:33:47
  it. Everyone whose name was not
• 5:33:50
  written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of
• 5:33:54
  the Lamb who was slain slaughtered in this.
• 5:33:58
  So there's nothing about Jesus free, you know.
• 5:34:03
  And all your arguments from Genesis there that occurred
• 5:34:06
  after they ate of the fruit. So I mean it is possible that
• 5:34:11
  you know I believe God didn't want them to eat of the fruit
• 5:34:15
  and you know, and it's possible. Had they chosen wisely.
• 5:34:19
  They might have just enjoyed life forever with God and, you
• 5:34:22
  know, he would have you know. So who know there would have
• 5:34:25
  been some other plan we know God changes his plans.
• 5:34:29
  Yeah, can I ask you something Cindy but I find both of the
• 5:34:32
  extreme. Ali fascinating very
• 5:34:34
  knowledgeable biblically. My question is, do you believe
• 5:34:37
  that our sins existed before the tree was even looked at before
• 5:34:42
  it even existed? Now.
• 5:34:47
  I don't believe so. But did I God already know our
• 5:34:51
  sins? Yes, well, he knew that we were
• 5:34:55
  going to eat the tree or the fruit I believe.
• 5:34:59
  And I believe that that translation he read is incorrect
• 5:35:03
  and that it was the lamb who was slain before the Forefront.
• 5:35:07
  Know the founding of one second Cindy, let me, let me ask you
• 5:35:13
  something. Let's say that, God knows that
• 5:35:16
  Adam is going to turn left and he's going to end up at Walmart
• 5:35:20
  at 3 p.m. to buy him some bananas.
• 5:35:22
  Or somebody on the internet. Hurry.
• 5:35:25
  Mine isn't, what would you would?
• 5:35:28
  Would he be able to turn a right instead?
• 5:35:30
  Even though God already knows. He's took a left.
• 5:35:33
  I know it's a weird question but just to see where you go with
• 5:35:36
  us. Well, that's kind of what wild
• 5:35:41
  heart was saying that God are, excuse me, that Adam and Eve
• 5:35:45
  could have made a better choice and lived forever and in fact
• 5:35:51
  that's why the Cherub was put in front of the tree of life so
• 5:35:56
  that they could not eat of it and live forever.
• 5:35:59
  So if they had not eaten the tree of the knowledge of Good
• 5:36:03
  and Evil, they could have eaten from the Tree of Life and lived
• 5:36:06
  forever. But couldn't could have be Cindy
• 5:36:11
  because according to a lot of the very popular belief whenever
• 5:36:17
  it comes a predestination and knowledge of all things, they
• 5:36:20
  didn't have a choice because God already knew and whatever God
• 5:36:24
  knows becomes Ultimate Reality and yeah the other than what God
• 5:36:28
  knows you're going to do. That's just you can't do that.
• 5:36:31
  He doesn't know, they know what you're going to do, but he knows
• 5:36:33
  your thoughts. You see, fit.
• 5:36:36
  One of the things I Woolworths. That's why find the discussion
• 5:36:39
  so fascinating. Even if he knows what we're
• 5:36:43
  going to do, that doesn't take away our free will.
• 5:36:47
  Because then we would just be uttama towns and robots and that
• 5:36:52
  wouldn't, but it does turn everything into basically a you
• 5:36:55
  know everything is just we're just waiting for fate to carry
• 5:36:59
  out as far as we're concerned. It's no different than a fated
• 5:37:03
  future that we just have to go through.
• 5:37:09
  I don't know that that's true. Something doesn't feel right
• 5:37:13
  about that. Although it's definitely a
• 5:37:17
  confusing subject for a human brain.
• 5:37:22
  That's why I bit more open. I would evolve into some kind of
• 5:37:25
  other creature. Like the atheist been telling me
• 5:37:28
  so I can figure this all out hasn't happened though.
• 5:37:35
  That was funny. I couldn't hear you.
• 5:37:38
  I couldn't understand. Okay.
• 5:37:40
  Okay. So you said, I know that this is
• 5:37:42
  really difficult for the human brain and I said that's why.
• 5:37:45
  I was hoping the 80s for right night evolve and become like a
• 5:37:48
  different creature. So I could get it.
• 5:37:50
  He didn't get to In heaven, you will get it.
• 5:37:54
  Bring a bigger brain bread. So that kind of brings brings up
• 5:37:59
  this idea of In classical theism and generally in this kind of
• 5:38:04
  Christian idea that people follow this kind of idea.
• 5:38:07
  There's this idea of that God is transcendent that in other
• 5:38:11
  words, that means to them that God is Holy other than even he's
• 5:38:17
  Beyond description, you know, that kind of transcendent like
• 5:38:20
  Like, in other words, they can't even speak positively about God
• 5:38:25
  and think that they are actually describe it because the
• 5:38:29
  difference between creature and creators so fast, right?
• 5:38:34
  That's part of their idea. Now, I would suggest that
• 5:38:38
  because usually the the open theist is faced with the charge
• 5:38:43
  or the, you know, they'll say well, you know, look all those
• 5:38:47
  passages in the Old Testament where you see God changing his
• 5:38:50
  mind Or or you know, this and that that's all those are
• 5:38:54
  anthropomorphisms. Those are just those are
• 5:38:57
  descriptions of God, you know, like feeble attempts.
• 5:39:01
  It's like a googoogaga. It's like, you know, a parent
• 5:39:04
  trying to, you know, somehow get to the baby, you know, some kind
• 5:39:10
  of inkling of understanding. Right?
• 5:39:12
  That's the idea, okay. But I'm going to suggest, you
• 5:39:15
  know, if you, if you allow that description, if you allow that,
• 5:39:20
  that that, you know, if you're going to say those are
• 5:39:24
  anthropomorphic, statements, a therapist, logical statements
• 5:39:28
  then, in effect, what you've done is, you've made it all all
• 5:39:32
  the Bible. Everything that speaks about
• 5:39:35
  God, anthropomorphic, Lee or whatever you've made it without
• 5:39:38
  any meaning that we can count on.
• 5:39:40
  Because if God is so Transcendent that we do not, we
• 5:39:43
  can't write describe them and even these anthropomorphic
• 5:39:48
  descriptions, we can't trust to Telling us what God is like then
• 5:39:53
  what are we stuck with? So that's a real problem.
• 5:39:58
  I had no idea what as a thinking person.
• 5:40:03
  I don't appreciate the insinuation that some of us are
• 5:40:06
  not thinking people and I have no idea what you're trying to
• 5:40:09
  say. Anyway, So there's two times we
• 5:40:16
  did, I can find where God, there's two times in the Old
• 5:40:20
  Testament, where I can find that the Lord repented.
• 5:40:23
  And I don't see that that has anything to do with, for
• 5:40:26
  knowledge. And often times when we're going
• 5:40:30
  through these very sticky wickets, I feel like the answer
• 5:40:36
  in the Lord's mind is both. It's not either or it's both, he
• 5:40:43
  allows free will. Cindy, as well as.
• 5:40:50
  How do I pronounce your name again, in Centric, right?
• 5:40:54
  I do, I pronounce how this change my name.
• 5:40:56
  I running. All right, I'd appreciate that.
• 5:41:00
  Make a lot easier for me. I'm terrible at name.
• 5:41:02
  Somebody will say their name is Bob and I'm like boobs you said
• 5:41:04
  and so I'm just bad. Well, it's so I got this.
• 5:41:09
  All right, I got a question for both of you.
• 5:41:13
  Are you guys how long's it been? Since you read the story, the
• 5:41:16
  Tower of Babel, Either one of you it's been a little while I
• 5:41:23
  can yeah, I'd say I can remember it.
• 5:41:25
  Let me give you guys a brief summary see if I can remind you
• 5:41:28
  of it. This is something that's been
• 5:41:30
  very it's it's basically itching at my brain for a quite a while
• 5:41:35
  and I haven't heard a good answer on this.
• 5:41:38
  It says that the men below were building this structure.
• 5:41:43
  Well the Angels it says the Angels go down from their estate
• 5:41:47
  to see what's happening and they bring the information back to
• 5:41:51
  God to tell him what is happening.
• 5:41:54
  The question is is why is it that God needs these angels to
• 5:41:58
  tell him what is happening? Could he not already know?
• 5:42:03
  Yeah you certainly. Are you talking about Sodom
• 5:42:07
  when? No, I'm talking about the tower.
• 5:42:10
  Babel the anus 11's come down. They see that man is doing this
• 5:42:18
  wicked thing and they come back to the estate that they came
• 5:42:21
  from there. Basically, there's two parts of
• 5:42:25
  God that is being affected in the story.
• 5:42:27
  It's the omniscience part in the omnipresence, God if he's
• 5:42:31
  everywhere at all times. He should not be in a different
• 5:42:34
  location. He should already be
• 5:42:36
  knowledgeable. What's happening down there.
• 5:42:39
  He is also seems to be surprised in the conversation between the
• 5:42:43
  Angels. It's like he's gone really,
• 5:42:46
  that's what they're doing. Well, let me go down there and
• 5:42:49
  check and that's when God brings out the blender and switches up
• 5:42:52
  the cultures and languages. Remember.
• 5:42:55
  Yeah, so that story baffles me. That's very interesting brat
• 5:43:01
  where I'm trying to read it right verse 6.
• 5:43:05
  I think I'm gonna get me a smoke and give you guys an opportunity
• 5:43:09
  to look over to people. Yeah, I could answer it real
• 5:43:12
  briefly. You want me?
• 5:43:14
  Well, it says the Lord looked down and he doesn't say Angels.
• 5:43:17
  It says, the Lord came down, but still the point is the same.
• 5:43:21
  Why wouldn't he be there already?
• 5:43:24
  The Lord came down to see the CD, which The Children built and
• 5:43:29
  the Lord said, behold the people are one.
• 5:43:31
  They have all one language and this they begin to do and now
• 5:43:35
  nothing will be restrained from them.
• 5:43:38
  Let us go down. Notice these plural, they are.
• 5:43:40
  So, that's the Trinity and there confound their language.
• 5:43:45
  So, the Lord scattered them abroad.
• 5:43:47
  So it's all reference to the Lord, the Lord, the Lord Not
• 5:43:50
  Angels. I could have sworn there was a
• 5:43:53
  part where the actually said that the Angels Came Down came
• 5:43:57
  back and looked at them I might do might have been thinking of
• 5:44:01
  that's not that happens at the Sodom account.
• 5:44:04
  Yeah Sodom and Gomorrah situation, very similar
• 5:44:07
  situation or it might be a different version of what I've
• 5:44:10
  been told is matches up because you know God wants to see if
• 5:44:14
  what he's been told is case. That's what said in Sodom.
• 5:44:20
  That's Adam incident. Yeah, it's things like that that
• 5:44:24
  it's just kind of unusual. I do, I do realize that there's
• 5:44:28
  some places in the Bible where someone will ask God a question
• 5:44:32
  like there was this discussion between Abraham and God and God
• 5:44:37
  knew what the answer seemed like, it was going to be our.
• 5:44:39
  He did it intuitively, however, you want to look at it, but
• 5:44:43
  there is some stuff. Another thing that gets to me to
• 5:44:46
  is the story of Dobe. It says that God and the devil.
• 5:44:50
  Or having a conversation. You believe that's the double
• 5:44:52
  talked in the god writeln. Cindy it clearly states Satan.
• 5:44:58
  Yes, I do. And I know that the Bible
• 5:45:00
  sometimes doesn't mention little things.
• 5:45:02
  I think, I'll take him as the same character, also you take
• 5:45:06
  goddess if that was the same care.
• 5:45:08
  No, no, I take Satan as the devil, the serpent, the dragon,
• 5:45:13
  that's all I know. If you would have said that the
• 5:45:15
  other thing than Sunday would have been onto something.
• 5:45:20
  Right. Yeah no I was just I was
• 5:45:23
  agreeing with her. So at what point in time does
• 5:45:25
  God actually inform job that he had the conversation a double in
• 5:45:29
  the first place? I don't I don't believe he does.
• 5:45:33
  Hmm job died not knowing what happened.
• 5:45:38
  And we need to remember that. At least, we don't read about
• 5:45:41
  it. Right, right?
• 5:45:44
  Because we're in that same exact position we're in that same
• 5:45:49
  situation, we have no idea what our lives are doing in the
• 5:45:55
  heavenlies. And we need to cling to that by
• 5:45:59
  faith that there's something going on in the heavenlies that
• 5:46:02
  we don't understand in terms of our suffering.
• 5:46:09
  Now, I do have something for you mr.
• 5:46:11
  Fender. Before I go get my cigarettes
• 5:46:13
  New Testament stuff. Say that he doesn't see the
• 5:46:17
  future but how did he know exactly the number on how many
• 5:46:22
  times he'd be pronounced by Peter and also how did he know
• 5:46:26
  who was going to leave and betray him?
• 5:46:30
  Mmm. Good ones.
• 5:46:31
  Okay, I have to I'm not sure where you're talking about for
• 5:46:34
  the second question. Yeah, the first questions kind
• 5:46:37
  of the first ones Peter, you got him down.
• 5:46:41
  He even said, as what was it a crow or something?
• 5:46:44
  Some kind of animal. Yeah, I think the noise that
• 5:46:48
  basically basically the message is before the morning, you know,
• 5:46:54
  before the dawn, when roosters crow, you're going to deny me
• 5:46:57
  three times. That's kind but, you know, we
• 5:46:59
  can About it. But then I eat you now that
• 5:47:02
  makes sense. I'll go with the crow thing that
• 5:47:04
  you did in the morning that that actually sounds logical, but he
• 5:47:08
  knew specifically three times he was going to do this.
• 5:47:12
  Hmm. Well, I mean how.
• 5:47:16
  Okay, oh, yeah, so what okay. So, all right now, remember,
• 5:47:21
  Jesus knows. Peter's heart intimately in the
• 5:47:24
  rail in the present. Not talking about any future
• 5:47:27
  just talking about right now. God knows Peter's heart, Jesus
• 5:47:31
  can, you know, God could communicate that through his
• 5:47:34
  Spirit to Jesus. So, and besides which Jesus has
• 5:47:37
  been three years with the man, right?
• 5:47:39
  He knows him. Now, do you suppose that God
• 5:47:42
  knows Peter well enough that You know, do you?
• 5:47:46
  I mean, all you have to realize is that God had a purpose in
• 5:47:50
  making sure. Peter was confronted three
• 5:47:52
  times, you know, and God knew that the, you know, he knew he
• 5:47:58
  feared for his life enough for he would deny him, but isn't
• 5:48:02
  that aren't you basically guessing that that's how it's
• 5:48:04
  done? Okay.
• 5:48:06
  But that's that knowledge. That's based on present
• 5:48:09
  knowledge. That's all I'm saying.
• 5:48:11
  Yeah. But you're not.
• 5:48:17
  No God. It's well if you put them to the
• 5:48:20
  test he could be made. Sure he was tested.
• 5:48:22
  Yeah. And it God made sure.
• 5:48:24
  We were tested in the garden. God wants tested individuals in
• 5:48:28
  his kingdom. That's my claim.
• 5:48:30
  All right. That's an interesting point.
• 5:48:32
  How did he know exactly who, who was going to betray him and all
• 5:48:36
  the stuff that was involved. Remember this is, this is
• 5:48:39
  interesting. You're going to like this
• 5:48:40
  Sunday. He says, go do what you're going
• 5:48:43
  to do. The story continues to tell you
• 5:48:46
  what has I mean, with Judas as he leaves the premises Christ
• 5:48:51
  and the disciples remain yet, the story continues to tell you
• 5:48:55
  where he walked to, who he talked to.
• 5:48:59
  This is obviously very Supernatural what's happening
• 5:49:02
  here, because Jesus is not actually present with him while
• 5:49:05
  this is going on, unless you have an extra night, okay?
• 5:49:09
  So we need to, not only that he knew in advance who it was, that
• 5:49:14
  would betray him. It says from then get really
• 5:49:18
  really sorry, but this guy is completely off and it's taking
• 5:49:22
  away a huge thing from the lord. Well maybe you know, you could
• 5:49:28
  let me answer before you said that.
• 5:49:31
  Well can you go through me favor?
• 5:49:33
  Hold that thought I really need a cigarette, an answer.
• 5:49:37
  I really need a cigarette and I don't like the smoke in my home.
• 5:49:41
  I always had to go to the door, either the deck, I don't want
• 5:49:44
  to, that's the best way to do it.
• 5:49:46
  I have an exam, be right back, I'll be right back.
• 5:49:50
  Now, you know, I was just gonna say over the course of hearing,
• 5:49:55
  you guys, talk. I don't know.
• 5:49:57
  Your guys is view on this and I'm sure that I'll get Brett's
• 5:50:00
  view on it whenever he comes back.
• 5:50:02
  But I view religious debate, very much.
• 5:50:04
  So the way that I love you every other kind of debate from
• 5:50:07
  somebody who doesn't necessarily ascribe to religious views.
• 5:50:10
  And that's in the sense that if somebody holds opinions that
• 5:50:13
  somebody else really seems, as outlandish really seems as he's
• 5:50:16
  like just not tolerable rather than most people who say that
• 5:50:21
  they should be D platform rather than most people who say I
• 5:50:24
  don't. I'm not saying that's what
• 5:50:25
  you're saying Cindy or anybody here saying, but unlike most
• 5:50:29
  people when they say that, that person should be D platform
• 5:50:32
  door. Not given a voice.
• 5:50:33
  I really do think that it's best to give these people a boys, and
• 5:50:37
  to give people the opportunity to speak their mind in any
• 5:50:41
  setting that they deem fit. Because if people don't have
• 5:50:45
  exposure to those, Diaz then they're not going to have
• 5:50:48
  exposure to the counter points that are needed in order from
• 5:50:52
  their Viewpoint to refute those things.
• 5:50:54
  I think that's one of the biggest reasons why things like
• 5:50:56
  extremism or actually really On The Rise these days because of
• 5:51:00
  these extreme ideologies, they're not allowed to exist in
• 5:51:03
  the public sphere so that when they do go to these little
• 5:51:06
  private corners of the internet or it's just two buddies talking
• 5:51:10
  amongst each other if one of them starts espousing views the
• 5:51:13
  other person thinks isn't all that great then the A person
• 5:51:17
  isn't going to know what to say against them.
• 5:51:18
  If they've never actually been exposed to those ideas before if
• 5:51:21
  they've never been exposed to any sense of how to combat these
• 5:51:26
  ideas that they think that they're wrong.
• 5:51:28
  So it's a lot easier to convert people in my mind to new ideas
• 5:51:33
  that may be considered bad or counterintuitive.
• 5:51:38
  So I think that the these kind of debates were two people here
• 5:51:41
  really fundamentally disagree with each other really have
• 5:51:45
  these really wide spanning. Disagreements about scripture
• 5:51:49
  and disagreements about how everything fits together and
• 5:51:51
  even things as fundamental as God's omniscience I think it's a
• 5:51:54
  great platform to do that online because you know, I'm sure that
• 5:51:59
  I'm sure that what was your name then irenic.
• 5:52:05
  Yeah. Yeah I think that irenic
• 5:52:07
  believes just as vehemently Cindy, that you're wrong and
• 5:52:10
  your beliefs here that Cindy does in yours.
• 5:52:12
  So I think it's just as important to have those points
• 5:52:16
  of view. You and I could be wrong.
• 5:52:18
  Could always have one real quick thing as I've been kind of an
• 5:52:21
  outside Observer on this, I think.
• 5:52:24
  Yeah, this is Adam, one key difference, I think is ironic
• 5:52:27
  did point out. He has no issue being called a
• 5:52:30
  heretic, right? So that's kind of a, I mean, I'm
• 5:52:34
  not saying there's anything wrong from my perspective that's
• 5:52:36
  not necessarily wrong but I could see me and I don't know
• 5:52:44
  what they're talking about, but you know, Know that.
• 5:52:51
  Yeah. I just I mean to say I mean, if
• 5:52:53
  they if the what they mean by a heretic is I'm not a faithful
• 5:52:56
  follower of Jesus Christ, then they're in serious error.
• 5:53:00
  So Adam and you leave me when he writes very glad this is that I
• 5:53:05
  think what heretic means is that you hold a belief that, let me
• 5:53:10
  look it up heretic, it has to do with Orthodoxy.
• 5:53:15
  But in the Bible heresy has to do with people who cause
• 5:53:18
  division. Well, that would be the one
• 5:53:24
  reason why. I would, and I think that that's
• 5:53:29
  what Aiden was trying to address, is that I shouldn't
• 5:53:32
  just skip out of the conversation, but people who
• 5:53:35
  cause division, we are supposed to skip out.
• 5:53:39
  There is a verse about that, but a heretic doesn't mean that a
• 5:53:44
  heretic says person holding an opinion at odds with what is
• 5:53:49
  generally accepted. Yeah, that was one.
• 5:53:53
  You know, that's the peel to Orthodoxy which is an arbitrary
• 5:53:57
  thing. I would argue anyone's.
• 5:53:59
  Well, I wouldn't I don't get any of my beliefs outside of the
• 5:54:04
  Bible you keep referring to they then they and I believe that if
• 5:54:11
  God has a message for Humanity. It has to be comprehensible.
• 5:54:16
  If his word is not understandable the way he wrote
• 5:54:20
  it and you have to study Greek or you have to study whatever
• 5:54:24
  the strange word you were referring to I can't I don't I'm
• 5:54:27
  not familiar with then. It's not comprehensible to the
• 5:54:34
  Common Man. A fairly young person should be
• 5:54:38
  able to pick up the word of God and understand the message and
• 5:54:42
  you are basically clouding. Everything that has been clearly
• 5:54:46
  stated. Can I, can I say something real
• 5:54:49
  quick just real quick before you have your response there I
• 5:54:52
  actually I kind of back why he keeps mentioning things like the
• 5:54:56
  Greek. And the biggest reason why I
• 5:54:58
  think that's the case is because when you're looking at a Bible
• 5:55:01
  that is translated into English than to a certain extent, you
• 5:55:05
  are relying on. Human being to intermediate
• 5:55:08
  between you and the scripture. Well, they'll just let me know.
• 5:55:10
  That's not the issue. I'm addressing god.
• 5:55:12
  Well no no I know that's not necessarily the issue that
• 5:55:14
  you're addressing. I'm only bringing it into my
• 5:55:16
  perspective sorry if I wasn't particularly clear about that
• 5:55:20
  but if you are looking at a Bible that is translated into
• 5:55:24
  English, then I understand the idea that you want to be as
• 5:55:27
  close to the scripture as possible and I respect that but
• 5:55:30
  to a certain extent at that point then you are allowing
• 5:55:33
  another human to to be in between.
• 5:55:36
  Between you and the actual word of the scripture via things like
• 5:55:39
  translation. Because as I'm sure, you know,
• 5:55:41
  that translations between the Hebrew or between the Septuagint
• 5:55:45
  and between English can be very different because Greek is a
• 5:55:48
  very different language as as you brew from the English.
• 5:55:51
  That was the only point that I was making.
• 5:55:54
  Yes. However, humans were involved
• 5:55:57
  from the beginning because that's how the Lord chose to
• 5:56:00
  write his words down. He did not use his finger.
• 5:56:04
  And I guess that gets back to do you believe that his message has
• 5:56:09
  been preserved. Or would he leave a message for
• 5:56:14
  the planet and then allow it to be garbled.
• 5:56:18
  Well but I do now you're getting 2nd your that's in the guessing
• 5:56:22
  area, we don't know now guys, I moved Adam over in the screen
• 5:56:27
  because yesterday or the day before he was showing me a bunch
• 5:56:30
  of really creepy ass looking animals.
• 5:56:33
  Went to look at that. Well, here in the discussion.
• 5:56:36
  Oh man, that's a freaky armadillo.
• 5:56:38
  Thanks for the nightmare fuel. Oh, you ain't seen shit yet.
• 5:56:42
  Look at his you're doing, eat. He's got webbed feet.
• 5:56:46
  I had no idea. An armadillo can swim under
• 5:56:49
  water. Wait till you guys see.
• 5:56:50
  The Platypus one. Oh boy, it's just hate.
• 5:56:58
  You love them. Don't you Cindy.
• 5:57:00
  He's got, we found us a kangaroo squirrel Mouse.
• 5:57:03
  Something like that yesterday. And that just like, fuck my mind
• 5:57:07
  up. Well, bright, where you said,
• 5:57:08
  you have armadillos in your backyard or something like you.
• 5:57:11
  Yeah, but now, Not like that thing that you told me that
• 5:57:15
  thing you showed me look like something off a Teenage Mutant
• 5:57:18
  Ninja Turtles. Who's this hateful look.
• 5:57:23
  Pangolin those things are awesome.
• 5:57:27
  Wow, dragons don't exist. They got played armor right
• 5:57:32
  there roll into a ball a perfectly round ball.
• 5:57:36
  I'm not mistaken. Looking like hey, look at this
• 5:57:43
  word thing too bad. It's not multicolored.
• 5:57:46
  Yeah, that would be really cool. Find this, baby.
• 5:57:52
  It looks really bizarre. Adam don't do this to me.
• 5:57:55
  Oh, the baby powder. Puff.
• 5:57:58
  Have you seen that butter? You seen that butterfly?
• 5:58:03
  Look at that. Looks like some movie cartoon,
• 5:58:09
  do your movie thing. Is that real?
• 5:58:11
  Or is that clay? It's I think it's real.
• 5:58:15
  There's like a bunch of, I mean, look at those.
• 5:58:17
  Are they three toes? Are they three toes with the
• 5:58:20
  other pictures on? There's a lot.
• 5:58:21
  Of really similar ones from different angles and stuff.
• 5:58:24
  Yeah like what Howard's a method in it looks like Howard it out.
• 5:58:29
  It looks like it just came out of the egg.
• 5:58:33
  Hold on their hair until later had to go ask.
• 5:58:42
  They don't get their hair until later.
• 5:58:47
  That's an interesting point, I didn't even think about that.
• 5:58:51
  I just love how like it's so round and every aspect like its
• 5:58:57
  toes around. Its belly is around.
• 5:58:59
  Its face is round. It's so squishy.
• 5:59:03
  Is I guess the best way I guess. I want to share well those arms
• 5:59:16
  they look like there could be clay, you know, can you see
• 5:59:20
  joints? Can you see my screen?
• 5:59:26
  I can't. Yeah, I don't think we can last.
• 5:59:28
  It's the little baby thing. We're looking at.
• 5:59:31
  No, that's Adam. We got an infinite Loop.
• 5:59:36
  There we go. Yeah.
• 5:59:37
  We're looking into in front of Europe.
• 5:59:39
  Were about to see something. Oh okay, I'll stop.
• 5:59:43
  Stop sharing. I don't know how to do this
• 5:59:47
  share screen. Are you trying to look at a
• 5:59:51
  specific window or you trying to look at the different?
• 5:59:55
  Yeah, click on the different window tab things or whatever
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  until you find what you want to share listed.
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  Oh, whether it's a window or tab.
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  Whatever it is. It won't show the window that I
• 6:00:09
  have in mind. All right, if you go, there's
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  nothing one of them should show if you got if it's active on
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  your computer, it should show it some you got to look up at the
• 6:00:22
  top of it. It'll say Chrome or put a file
• 6:00:27
  on there. All that shit.
• 6:00:29
  Yeah, it says Chrome tab, but oh, there it is.
• 6:00:35
  It makes you click the share audio, if there's an idea.
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  Yeah. There were going to see.
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  Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah.
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  We're seeing some of them with a little bit of a really cute with
• 6:00:47
  a little further so cute. Look at that guy.
• 6:00:52
  Those are the most pleasurable. Little Hook ask that y'all.
• 6:00:56
  Do you think it's creepy at him? Well, it's like a combination of
• 6:01:06
  really bizarre and really cute at the same.
• 6:01:09
  I'm that's like it's two contradictory feelings for me.
• 6:01:14
  Why don't you strange Star Wars alien?
• 6:01:17
  I don't think baby alligators are cute.
• 6:01:19
  They just look like alligators that are real small.
• 6:01:24
  Same with snakes and I really that cute as babies.
• 6:01:29
  It's funny. They must not last for very long
• 6:01:32
  without hair. Their hair must come in pretty
• 6:01:34
  quick. What a trip?
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  Wow. Yeah, well, I like it coming out
• 6:01:50
  of the egg. Oh my gosh.
• 6:01:56
  And then they go into the pouch, right?
• 6:01:59
  They don't go into the water like that vulnerable.
• 6:02:01
  Do they? Well, platypuses are monotremes
• 6:02:06
  so they don't have a pouch like, yeah, we don't know like a
• 6:02:13
  marsupial, right? Yeah.
• 6:02:15
  But it seems like there's some kind of, I don't know.
• 6:02:18
  Because what's that one? Where they're like on the belly
• 6:02:20
  right there, like right there, they're like, Nursery thing.
• 6:02:24
  They must like nurse just little fetus versions of them, that
• 6:02:27
  hatch from an egg. That is just so much there has
• 6:02:34
  to be a place than that. They are kept whether it's in a
• 6:02:38
  nest or so they also. So right?
• 6:02:41
  They also don't have nipples, they have.
• 6:02:45
  It's like they just sweat out milk out of their sweat glands
• 6:02:49
  and so they just click anywhere. Well I think it's especially
• 6:02:56
  just that belt tiny that egg is there really freaking strange.
• 6:03:02
  Because I was noticing, they're not nursing in like symmetrical
• 6:03:07
  spots. They look pretty friendly at if
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  they're brought up, You Know, Tamar, you know, brought up by
• 6:03:14
  somebody, I all people are hugging in them and write up
• 6:03:18
  their face. The scripture teaches all
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  creatures can have been tamed by man, but no man has tamed the
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  tongue. That's true.
• 6:03:32
  Is that a snake? Okay, that's not what I wanted
• 6:03:39
  this. Yeah, let's see.
• 6:03:41
  Pictures of snakes eating platypus eggs.
• 6:03:51
  Oh yeah, look at that. Looks like a little mole.
• 6:03:54
  That is a mole. Isn't that one in the middle?
• 6:03:57
  Yeah, that's a snake. Sorry guys.
• 6:04:02
  My Chrome crash there for a second.
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  I'm back now though. No.
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  Is that a turtle mommy? Hug me.
• 6:04:17
  Just write out of here. I need a hug turtles are cool.
• 6:04:22
  I was like, turtles. If you had a favorite animal
• 6:04:27
  Brett, what was your favorite animal be?
• 6:04:29
  And no, not the obvious. What's the on Nelson?
• 6:04:38
  Treehouse really help me. I guess the most favorite animal
• 6:04:42
  I ever actually had that I would want back is the old house dog
• 6:04:48
  that he said whenever I was a kid.
• 6:04:51
  Oh yeah, yeah. Used to have a dog growing up.
• 6:04:54
  Kind of dog, was it? That's the problem.
• 6:04:58
  I'm not really sure what the hell it was.
• 6:05:01
  I can't find another dog, like it and it looked kind of like a
• 6:05:06
  terrier and a golden retriever. It seemed time, but it was black
• 6:05:10
  with white under its chin. I found a mod of what the dog
• 6:05:17
  kind of looked like maybe I could show you guys as I have
• 6:05:19
  long hair or short hair or me. Let me see if I can get an
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  image. Thus cuz it's the closest I've
• 6:05:26
  ever seen all better. Yeah, I used to have a childhood
• 6:05:35
  dog myself growing up. It was a purebred Rottweiler.
• 6:05:38
  Actually, I'm really surprised that they lived as long as they
• 6:05:40
  did, but they had a pretty good life.
• 6:05:45
  Definitely a lot better than where they were being raised
• 6:05:47
  stuff. I had a loss.
• 6:05:53
  Oh, yeah. She was so sweet.
• 6:05:59
  They say man's best friend for a reason, right?
• 6:06:02
  Yeah. So that's one of the things that
• 6:06:07
  kind of makes me wonder too is like I know that animals don't
• 6:06:12
  have souls like we do but where do they go?
• 6:06:14
  Like they have some kind of Consciousness in them.
• 6:06:17
  Clearly. They have some kind of being
• 6:06:19
  within them. They're not just these
• 6:06:21
  automatons Bible. I mean a soul in the sense of
• 6:06:28
  like the Christian sense of the Soul, which is why I had certain
• 6:06:31
  that her necessarily better than that.
• 6:06:56
  Under God have souls in the breath of life and him.
• 6:07:01
  Yeah, that little squishy thing you were yapping about.
• 6:07:04
  It's got a soul according to the Bible.
• 6:07:07
  Well, this, you know, just teach that the new heavens and the new
• 6:07:11
  Earth will have, you know, the line will lay down with the lamb
• 6:07:15
  or the wolf. The lion will lay down with the
• 6:07:20
  see. I forget, it's not lion and
• 6:07:22
  lamb, it's something else but basically enemies like a bear
• 6:07:27
  and a cow, a leopard, and a goal of wealth in the Think, well, I
• 6:07:32
  was wrong about that, my bad, sorry about that.
• 6:07:36
  There is a distinction. I think God didn't breathe into
• 6:07:39
  the nostrils of the animals, but they're still.
• 6:07:44
  And I actually personally believe that we used to be able
• 6:07:49
  to talk to the animals like dr. Dolittle and that in the new
• 6:07:55
  Heaven and the new Earth we will be able to again Well it's the
• 6:08:00
  Hebrew in the Genesis there. It's like when God is said to
• 6:08:05
  have made, man, a living Soul or living thing creature with that,
• 6:08:10
  soul, that word soul is nephesh and that's the same word.
• 6:08:14
  That is just is used to describe the animals when God made him at
• 6:08:20
  some point, they're described as a nephesh.
• 6:08:23
  So that's the issue. But the animals aren't said to
• 6:08:27
  be made in God's image like Brett said so right this is the
• 6:08:34
  Eternal question, which came first the chicken or the egg.
• 6:08:39
  And this scientifically provable you can take any kind of an egg
• 6:08:44
  and put it anywhere on the planet and unless it's with its
• 6:08:48
  mom it will die. Or a mom right?
• 6:08:55
  I always wanted from that question.
• 6:08:57
  Do they mean what came first just the chicken or eggs or does
• 6:09:02
  it specifically have to be a egg that will you open?
• 6:09:05
  It'll be a chicken inside seems to me God created chickens and
• 6:09:09
  then they'll that's the dog Brett.
• 6:09:11
  That's from my dog. Droop over and stuff kind of
• 6:09:23
  like been a little bit. Oh my God.
• 6:09:25
  Yeah, this is right. This is actually a modded animal
• 6:09:33
  for a video game but it's the only things I've ever seen.
• 6:09:36
  That looks like that, dog. I had.
• 6:09:38
  When I wrote kid, what kind is it?
• 6:09:42
  I don't know. I think Terrier retriever all
• 6:09:46
  kinds of mix, but yeah, but it looked big Well, it wasn't big.
• 6:09:52
  This dog is probably up to your a little bit, above your knee
• 6:09:56
  caps. A big furry tail.
• 6:10:00
  Yeah, so I don't know but we called we called the dog lady.
• 6:10:04
  It was a female and she was really really smart.
• 6:10:13
  Eight and I like your new picture.
• 6:10:14
  You got a new picture right with your little.
• 6:10:17
  Oh that's from my Facebook. Oh, that's a top.
• 6:10:20
  Hat. You look so Dapper.
• 6:10:25
  Thank you. Oh, I gotta ask some real quick
• 6:10:28
  Cindy. Did you say The Lion and the
• 6:10:30
  lamb earlier? Yes.
• 6:10:33
  But I know he wasn't sure about it.
• 6:10:36
  No, that's a. She got yourself.
• 6:10:38
  No, no, that's fascinating. Now, I don't know if I ever talk
• 6:10:42
  to you guys about this, and I'll talk to Adam a little bit about
• 6:10:45
  it. How many of you've heard the
• 6:10:46
  Mandela effect No. Yeah.
• 6:10:52
  Okay, so for those out there who know what the Mandela effect is,
• 6:10:56
  you may want to look this up because this crazy but people
• 6:10:59
  are claiming that the Bible used to say lays down with the lion
• 6:11:03
  and the lamb over and over that the wolf is a symbolic of evil.
• 6:11:07
  And it should have never even been in those passages.
• 6:11:10
  Something to look into how many of you've heard of them into
• 6:11:13
  effect? Essentially, they're saying that
• 6:11:17
  the Bible is being changed and our backs not very exciting
• 6:11:21
  Bears is one of the the examples you hear a lot the spelling of
• 6:11:25
  Berenstain Bears. Yeah, there is right.
• 6:11:31
  Yeah, I've heard of that and there's also tons of other TV
• 6:11:34
  shows cartoons things that are really really important that
• 6:11:39
  people are claiming change in society Cindy.
• 6:11:42
  You never heard the story about why they claim this Happened a
• 6:11:46
  Time shift. No.
• 6:11:52
  The well they and the leopard shall lie down with the kid and
• 6:11:56
  the calf, and the Young Lion, and the fatling together, and a
• 6:11:59
  little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall
• 6:12:04
  animation. Probably stay away from the
• 6:12:06
  Mandela effect that would freak people out.
• 6:12:09
  If I got into that trap goodness, what do you think he
• 6:12:14
  has to definitely be a psychological thing that's going
• 6:12:17
  on. I think the explanation that
• 6:12:18
  it's like alternate timelines that shifted as a bit Out there.
• 6:12:23
  But I mean, I definitely remember Berenstein Bears, not
• 6:12:26
  Berenstain Bears. I don't ever remember seeing
• 6:12:29
  like there's things, like there was a dash in the Kit Kat bar.
• 6:12:32
  So like there's so many little things like that where it's like
• 6:12:35
  almost every single one that I've heard it's like, yeah, the
• 6:12:38
  weird alternate version that we all remember is what I've
• 6:12:43
  remembered. Well, let me show you something.
• 6:12:45
  There's a bunch of people that remember being The Lion and the
• 6:12:48
  lamb over and over and over again.
• 6:12:51
  Here, I'll show Do you guys let me share the screen?
• 6:12:54
  Yeah that's all I've ever heard. Like when you said oh, not the
• 6:12:57
  lion and the lamb but it's something else.
• 6:12:58
  Like I've never even like I thought it well I think I get a
• 6:13:02
  reason why some people use it. It's because of Christian times
• 6:13:06
  they like to refer to Jesus as the line of Judah and the Lamb
• 6:13:10
  of God and you know, this line and lamb thing I think is kind
• 6:13:15
  of gets confuted in their minds or something.
• 6:13:18
  Yeah, but even the hour Look at that.
• 6:13:25
  There are people who remember not only the imagery but also
• 6:13:29
  the verses and all that spoke of it over and over and over lying
• 6:13:35
  in the lamb. I think about this.
• 6:13:37
  I want you to pay attention to something.
• 6:13:39
  Let me put in Wolf lamb and I want you to just get this real
• 6:13:44
  quick. Hold on will Okay.
• 6:13:51
  Now, does that look right to you?
• 6:13:53
  The wolf is always described in the Bible, like, wolf in sheep's
• 6:13:57
  clothing, you know, wolves and Vipers are evil and of the devil
• 6:14:02
  and all that. I think the Old Testament is
• 6:14:06
  more concerned with depicting, non-jewish, kind of animals and
• 6:14:11
  things compared to, you know. So it's kind of sometimes, it's
• 6:14:15
  like a, you know, kosher or your, what, you might say, in
• 6:14:23
  the context of sacrifices, there's language you use for
• 6:14:26
  profane and the holy that kind of idea.
• 6:14:32
  I Hear What I Hear You. So Cindy, have you ever heard of
• 6:14:37
  the Mandela effect? I guess I could give you a
• 6:14:39
  little bit of why this became such a big thing for about five
• 6:14:43
  years. Well, I guess what you're saying
• 6:14:48
  is that the Bible has been changed and again it goes back
• 6:14:51
  to the same thing. Can the Lord preserve his
• 6:14:54
  message because if he was that wasn't the only thing that I
• 6:15:01
  don't see how Has something to do with the Bible being changed
• 6:15:03
  it has to do more with what people remember the Bible says
• 6:15:07
  even though it doesn't say it. Isn't that kind of angry?
• 6:15:10
  Well, there's some people there's a claim that there might
• 6:15:13
  be people with memory issues out there, even though people
• 6:15:16
  distinctly do this Sunday. The reason why the Mandela
• 6:15:19
  effect is such a big deal to people is there are people who
• 6:15:23
  have woke up and they go to call their moms and find out that
• 6:15:27
  their mother. Our father's been dead for 10
• 6:15:30
  years or more. When they remember specifically
• 6:15:33
  talking to that person just a couple minutes ago or before he
• 6:15:36
  went to bed. And that's the reason why a lot
• 6:15:39
  of people get all freaked out about the Mandela effect.
• 6:15:41
  I'm surprised you never heard of it.
• 6:15:43
  It's weird. Hmm.
• 6:15:46
  Well, that's different than I've kind of heard it.
• 6:15:48
  I've heard it described more of a mass kind of hysterical.
• 6:15:51
  It's not, it's more of a mass thing.
• 6:15:53
  That yeah, like a group delusion.
• 6:15:56
  Like, in mandalas case, they believe that he died in prison
• 6:15:59
  or whatever. Well, he never died in prison.
• 6:16:01
  He became a president, you know? And I don't know when he died.
• 6:16:05
  That's, that is one of the things.
• 6:16:07
  Unfortunately, that's one of the things.
• 6:16:10
  I remember, I remember him actually dying in prison and
• 6:16:14
  shot I was shocked to see that. I'm not delusional, not on some
• 6:16:18
  kind of meant here folks. There's a lot of people who've
• 6:16:20
  been on my show where they're like, yeah.
• 6:16:22
  That dude died in prison. Do you guys remember something
• 6:16:25
  about the fake? No?
• 6:16:30
  Cindy. The guys really famous.
• 6:16:32
  So whenever the people like myself, who remember that he
• 6:16:37
  died in prison, it was all over the news.
• 6:16:39
  It was just constantly in your fucking face that this guy died
• 6:16:43
  and he died in a terrible. Mobile awful way just no no I'm
• 6:16:47
  saying I'm saying that if he did die.
• 6:16:51
  Is there a chance that the man who later became president was a
• 6:16:55
  fake No. No it appears it appears to
• 6:17:01
  actually be that guy. There's like Comedians and
• 6:17:06
  actors who people remember being alive.
• 6:17:09
  And then it turns around and people say no this guy he was
• 6:17:13
  dead for like 10 years, it's very odd.
• 6:17:16
  Go ahead. Are there any facts that you can
• 6:17:19
  tie in your memory to why you believe he was killed in prison?
• 6:17:23
  That like you could Google and find out.
• 6:17:25
  Yeah, that was a Yeah, what the Mandela effect there is actually
• 6:17:30
  the what they call residue or remnants of the timeline.
• 6:17:35
  If you like the what Adam brought up about The Berenstein,
• 6:17:39
  there are people who have images and books where it appears as
• 6:17:43
  though you could actually see the residue of what it
• 6:17:47
  originally was. At the same time, the change
• 6:17:50
  that happened kind of like the way a tire hits a road and it
• 6:17:54
  smears the rubber kind Of thing, there's they call that the
• 6:17:58
  residue of it. So there is points of it.
• 6:18:02
  How about this? Let's see if you guys remember
• 6:18:04
  this. What did Forrest Gump?
• 6:18:06
  Say about chocolate. Let's see if you guys remember
• 6:18:09
  one at a time, though. You want me to go first, Brett?
• 6:18:16
  Yeah, you go. First mama always, said, life is
• 6:18:19
  like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna
• 6:18:21
  get. All right.
• 6:18:24
  What about you, Cindy? I don't remember.
• 6:18:29
  Here, let me let me do it. Log bottom box of chocolates,
• 6:18:33
  you never know what you're gonna get.
• 6:18:36
  You remember that? No, no, I'm sorry.
• 6:18:44
  What about you, Mister. That's what I had in my mind.
• 6:18:48
  What first guy says, hey, guess what?
• 6:18:52
  That's not in the movie, that didn't happen.
• 6:18:57
  What is the favorite? Check it out.
• 6:19:02
  Go type in force. Their life is like a box of
• 6:19:04
  chocolates. We're not denying that part
• 6:19:06
  right? It's kind of close but it's not
• 6:19:12
  it's not what you both just said was what I remember being said
• 6:19:16
  go look it up real quick. See what happens.
• 6:19:19
  Okay, so you kind of agreed like as far as when you were tested
• 6:19:22
  the firt you that's how you remembered it like you never
• 6:19:25
  life is like a box of chocolates.
• 6:19:28
  You never know what you're gonna get.
• 6:19:31
  I remember specifically holding up a box of chocolates, a white
• 6:19:35
  box sitting on fucking bench next to a lady.
• 6:19:38
  Hey guys, I'm really sorry if I'm interrupting in the middle
• 6:19:41
  of something, but I'm at her house, I think I'm gonna
• 6:19:44
  skedaddle very much rather than me or though.
• 6:19:47
  Gret have a good one tonight 8:00, and thank you for coming.
• 6:20:02
  All right, not a problem. Let's try another one.
• 6:20:04
  How many of you seen Silence of the Lambs?
• 6:20:08
  Okay, I remember that. I mean, I saw it maybe more than
• 6:20:10
  once. Okay, hold on.
• 6:20:12
  Brett Brett on hold that. I am not convinced that the
• 6:20:18
  Forrest Gump, things did not happen.
• 6:20:20
  That's yeah, possible time. Is this the Mandela effect?
• 6:20:25
  You got the quote, do you gotta try to find it?
• 6:20:28
  But I don't trust this website. Trust my memory of watching that
• 6:20:31
  movie 30 times what the website. Why?
• 6:20:54
  I don't see what it's saying that they actually said.
• 6:21:00
  Look on, YouTube. Just type in life is like a box
• 6:21:03
  of chocolate. See what he says.
• 6:21:06
  Was that like in a movie trailer or something?
• 6:21:10
  It was in the actual movie. You seen it 30 times.
• 6:21:14
  You know what I'm talking about. You didn't have fucking amnesia.
• 6:21:21
  Let me see. What was the next one?
• 6:21:24
  Brett, I'll look, you know, it. Well, let me let me do one more
• 6:21:28
  on you guys real quick. Now, have a week.
• 6:21:31
  There's a little bi Insight also.
• 6:21:34
  That's what was it was from the movie.
• 6:21:35
  Just as he said, You got a website that actually says that.
• 6:21:42
  Yeah, I give it to you, all right?
• 6:21:49
  Maybe yeah, it's just so funny. I don't know where what kind of
• 6:21:52
  site it is? Something Wiktionary sites.
• 6:21:54
  Yeah it s. Well they have said that some
• 6:21:57
  people remember and other people don't it's obvious.
• 6:22:01
  Adam remembers like that. I remember like that but if you
• 6:22:04
  check out for scout Mandela effect or no YouTube, you'd be
• 6:22:09
  like whoa. I got Howard.
• 6:22:12
  I'll do silence clams and Star Wars on you guys and then we
• 6:22:16
  Passing the conversation if you feel like it, what did you
• 6:22:19
  really say? Hold on?
• 6:22:20
  What did she really say something more like life is full
• 6:22:23
  of surprises. You never know what will happen
• 6:22:25
  next and maybe they just happen to be eating out of the box of
• 6:22:28
  chocolates. Anyways, never mind.
• 6:22:31
  God know life is like a box of chocolates.
• 6:22:34
  You never know what you're gonna get.
• 6:22:36
  That's what I remember that was never in the movie though.
• 6:22:39
  Is that the claim? None of them know it was in the
• 6:22:41
  movie. They're saying it's not now
• 6:22:44
  though. They said that Mandela effect.
• 6:22:49
  Somehow wipe the quota. Let me show you another one.
• 6:22:51
  Are you guys ready Adam? Are you there?
• 6:22:53
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 6:22:54
  Okay. The FBI agent is walking to meet
• 6:22:59
  Hannibal Lecter for the first time the woman walks down the
• 6:23:03
  hallway. She turns she sees him standing
• 6:23:06
  there. He says something to her.
• 6:23:10
  What does Hannibal Lecter say to the FBI woman for the first
• 6:23:14
  time? Yeah, my first thing is this
• 6:23:22
  when he did this like with his tongue it like like he was lying
• 6:23:28
  like tasting the air that she walked through her.
• 6:23:31
  So that was later on in the movie.
• 6:23:33
  But yeah, we have the money to say he just said Clarissa.
• 6:23:41
  But there's one more word. If I had to guess it's like
• 6:23:44
  something like hello Clarice or in this like creepy monsters
• 6:23:47
  don't but I don't remember that clearly.
• 6:23:49
  That is exactly you both. Pretty much got a ride.
• 6:23:52
  Hello Clarice and it spooked her because he knew who she was and
• 6:23:57
  he was waiting for her. That was what was so creepy.
• 6:24:00
  Guess what? That shit's not in the movie
• 6:24:02
  either. We need huh?
• 6:24:07
  That's neat. Ain't it?
• 6:24:10
  Now? Sometimes though there you might
• 6:24:12
  be remembered something from a trailer that never in it.
• 6:24:15
  That didn't make it into the movie.
• 6:24:17
  I can see that happen. Please do Brett I have this clip
• 6:24:20
  from Forrest Gump in it. It's exactly as I remember it.
• 6:24:25
  I don't understand what you're saying like you're saying What
• 6:24:28
  is the claim here that this clip is fake?
• 6:24:32
  There has been some things where they say that Clips were removed
• 6:24:35
  out of things. However, they have also stated
• 6:24:38
  that something seemed to adjusted themselves.
• 6:24:42
  So I don't know. It's been a while.
• 6:24:46
  I know it's odd. It's supposed to be some kind of
• 6:24:49
  weird Peril time shift as the claim of the Mandela.
• 6:24:52
  Yeah. Interesting.
• 6:24:58
  Okay. Do you have it?
• 6:24:59
  You can you play it? I can post a link.
• 6:25:05
  All right, let me see what you got here.
• 6:25:07
  See what we got. Let's see what we got.
• 6:25:15
  Well I'm not that I'm not that impressed by that one.
• 6:25:18
  Brett because I went and looked it up and it was what we
• 6:25:20
  remembered like it's not alone aren't well darn.
• 6:25:25
  I would be pretty surprised. Like are you fucking serious?
• 6:25:28
  Like it doesn't actually hold on one second.
• 6:25:32
  Let me hear this. There he is.
• 6:25:36
  He's got his white box of candy just like I remembered.
• 6:25:39
  I'll see you. Let's see what he says.
• 6:25:44
  Can you guys hear that? He hands her some candy.
• 6:26:12
  You never know what? You're going to get.
• 6:26:15
  The wait a minute that he say was That sounds pretty damn
• 6:26:22
  close to what he originally said.
• 6:26:25
  Yeah, he said looks like a box of chocolates.
• 6:26:27
  You never know what you're gonna get.
• 6:26:29
  I feel like a boy, but he just, he said in this video life was
• 6:26:33
  like a box of chocolate. I thought it was life is The
• 6:26:38
  title says is, but that he says was, is that the discrepancy?
• 6:26:44
  Yeah, but obvious thing in the past tense yet because he said,
• 6:26:47
  mama always said like back then, she would always say it was like
• 6:26:49
  that. All right.
• 6:26:53
  All right, let's try another one.
• 6:26:54
  You did get the Clarice thing Star Wars.
• 6:26:57
  What do you remember happening whenever Darth Vader?
• 6:27:00
  First, revealed himself to Luke. What do you remember him saying
• 6:27:05
  to him, whenever he revealed that he was his father?
• 6:27:08
  Okay, Brett, I I won't skip because I know this like inside
• 6:27:12
  and out, I know, I know to into well to do with the experiment.
• 6:27:20
  And I could invest in a cave and start all stopped up.
• 6:27:23
  Okay? So what did he say to him?
• 6:27:25
  What did he say? You look about you, Adam Well,
• 6:27:32
  okay. So wild heart is sort of right?
• 6:27:35
  He did say Luke, Luke and then they start talking that part did
• 6:27:41
  happen. The Luke part happens.
• 6:27:43
  He says in Luke, Luke and then they're talking back and forth
• 6:27:46
  and then he said, no, I am your father, it doesn't say Luke.
• 6:27:52
  I am your father, but he did say Luke, Luke before that and then
• 6:27:56
  he says, no, I am your father. So they miss the word around and
• 6:28:00
  changing it. You know, I mean, I remember him
• 6:28:03
  saying Luke. I am your father, that's how I
• 6:28:09
  remember it. Well, Brett, do you remember?
• 6:28:11
  Carl Sagan sing, billions and billions, billions and billions.
• 6:28:18
  And you find any instances of him ever saying that other than
• 6:28:22
  when he's talking about how he's never said it.
• 6:28:26
  Yeah, hold on a second. Why?
• 6:28:33
  He wrote a book called billions and billions in its in it opens
• 6:28:36
  up talking about how he never said billions and billions boy.
• 6:28:40
  I have like a Johnny Carson thing or something.
• 6:28:42
  Yeah, they're very strange way of saying that word so I can I
• 6:28:45
  have his voice in my head of Entertainer.
• 6:28:48
  All right, look wait wait. This is kind of long.
• 6:29:09
  By Carl Sagan and then relay. Okay, so that's on audiobook.
• 6:29:15
  Let me try to find something a little bit different.
• 6:29:19
  Here we go. Here we go.
• 6:29:22
  Listen, you here and them. Come on.
• 6:29:29
  Start already. Here we go.
• 6:29:45
  I dream about it and sometimes they're back.
• 6:29:53
  Different. Extraterrestrial civilization
• 6:29:54
  every second Tuesday. It says billions and billions
• 6:30:01
  and title, but unfortunately it's a bunch of his quotes.
• 6:30:06
  Yeah, I have a book. I have the book and it's called
• 6:30:09
  billions and billions. And he talks about how he says,
• 6:30:11
  think that's the says he would emphasize the be really strong,
• 6:30:15
  like he would say billions really pronounced because he
• 6:30:19
  wanted to make sure people didn't confuse it with million.
• 6:30:22
  But he talks in that book about how he never actually said
• 6:30:25
  billions and billions of became this like catchphrase.
• 6:30:28
  But I think he says that it comes from a Johnny Carson
• 6:30:31
  parody where he would impersonate him and Johnny
• 6:30:34
  Carson would see billions. Billions, and that's, that's how
• 6:30:36
  it kind of caught on. Like there was this, what was
• 6:30:42
  it? Trying to think of the actor
• 6:30:44
  Clark, Gable or not Clark, Gable thing, but he would say, Judy,
• 6:30:50
  Judy, Judy, you know that guy supposedly.
• 6:30:53
  He said that in some movie it was I forget what the actor was,
• 6:30:56
  you know, there's brat, you know, I'm talking about, you
• 6:30:58
  might know, but I was too busy. Cary Cary Grant is the one who
• 6:31:05
  was supposedly had said that in some movie. but never did
• 6:31:09
  happen, it's kind of one of those things, you know, it's And
• 6:31:14
  I think Humphrey Bogart had some, you know, people quote him
• 6:31:19
  wrong, or maybe John Wayne. No, it was play again, so you
• 6:31:26
  never said that problem. What do you guys remember about
• 6:31:33
  the, the Chinese Tank Man? The Chinese tank, man.
• 6:31:39
  I don't know, I don't recall. There was a man who walked out
• 6:31:44
  on the road in front of a tank. It was real big on the news.
• 6:31:47
  You remember, what happened in Beijing, you mean it or a
• 6:31:49
  Tiananmen Square? Yeah.
• 6:31:51
  Remember what happened? I don't remember.
• 6:31:56
  I think, I just remember it being reported that the tank ran
• 6:31:59
  him over. I think he got one all the.
• 6:32:03
  Well, that's another thing. That's what I remember to didn't
• 6:32:07
  happen. Now, I don't recall seeing the
• 6:32:10
  video, you know, like I don't recall like watching it.
• 6:32:20
  So the get the guy wasn't run over by the tank, I recall him
• 6:32:24
  being ran over because it was being recorded live what was
• 6:32:27
  happening and I guess people didn't expect it to happen but
• 6:32:31
  he they ran right over him. It was fucking disgusting but
• 6:32:34
  they're saying it didn't actually happen.
• 6:32:37
  Like I would want to change that actually used it in the west is
• 6:32:43
  evidence that the Chinese were like Futsal.
• 6:32:49
  So it could have been properly gonna let me take a look here
• 6:32:53
  and see if that shit has suggested, if it is I ain't even
• 6:32:58
  bother bringing up the fucking Mandela thing again.
• 6:33:00
  But see Drink, Man. And I don't ever recall it being
• 6:33:09
  reported that Mandela was killed in prison.
• 6:33:12
  I remember all the stories about him being in prison in the whole
• 6:33:17
  Union, justice of it all. But, never that he died.
• 6:33:21
  And I remember the news it was big news when he got out of
• 6:33:24
  prison. Yeah, yeah.
• 6:33:26
  Muffled. That's why that's like a
• 6:33:28
  surprising. That people would not remember
• 6:33:30
  that. It might have been when Clinton
• 6:33:32
  was President, I'm here you go. Hey go.
• 6:33:36
  Here's a take a look at this. I put it in private chat for you
• 6:33:40
  guys. This is how they recorded on
• 6:33:43
  Wikipedia and you can actually watch some of the footage on
• 6:33:47
  their tank man. Now all of you remember him
• 6:33:51
  getting ran over. Well, I remember that's what I
• 6:33:55
  recall the reports being I never witnessed it.
• 6:33:58
  So there's is there a link to the okay.
• 6:34:01
  Do we have a link to is there a video?
• 6:34:05
  Well, if you look down you scroll down you'll see the
• 6:34:08
  sources where you can click on something be able to watch what
• 6:34:11
  happened? Okay?
• 6:34:13
  Okay, they claim this is what really happened and you can see
• 6:34:17
  a link. Yeah, they claim that the guy
• 6:34:19
  just literally stood in from the tanks and stopped it from coming
• 6:34:22
  but a lot of people remember the fucking guy being ran right hell
• 6:34:26
  over. Brett, here's a good example.
• 6:34:32
  This is a good one. The song We Are The Champions.
• 6:34:37
  Have you heard this one? Yeah, I actually heard of that
• 6:34:40
  one. And a lot of people tried to
• 6:34:42
  explain that one away. The very end of the song isn't
• 6:34:46
  finished Like they don't we he doesn't say We are the champions
• 6:34:53
  of the world at the end. Yeah and the original thing,
• 6:34:57
  what I remember and they do what's weird is when they do it
• 6:35:02
  live, they do it right but on the CD, interesting stuff.
• 6:35:07
  So that's one of those residue things but hey goes We are the
• 6:35:11
  champions of the world and it like extends out along with the
• 6:35:15
  guitar, but in the this other version you just hear the guitar
• 6:35:20
  disposable. It didn't even have like an
• 6:35:23
  appealing ending to it. How weird.
• 6:35:26
  So why in that song wasn't nasty one answer is that there's
• 6:35:29
  different versions? Well, that's what I really
• 6:35:33
  thought. But there's there's like
• 6:35:34
  celebrity shows it was you seen that shit where celebrities get
• 6:35:38
  in the vehicle and they're driving and they're saying in
• 6:35:41
  the song and they expect it to be at the end too because
• 6:35:44
  they're saying into it really stopping like what the fuck?
• 6:35:48
  Well, I never heard no fucking live version that song.
• 6:35:51
  I only ever heard the record version.
• 6:35:53
  I think what does he say that in the middle of the song is like
• 6:35:56
  Listings and yeah, okay. So that's why it's in my memory,
• 6:35:59
  but he just doesn't see at the very end at the end and little
• 6:36:03
  live version. It's over and over because we
• 6:36:06
  are the champions of the world and the guitar Burns Out Capital
• 6:36:12
  One helps you out. It's not of the world.
• 6:36:15
  It's my friend. We are the champions my friend.
• 6:36:22
  Well hold but you're going to copyright.
• 6:36:23
  It's coming down. Yeah.
• 6:36:26
  Oh. Got to mute it.
• 6:36:32
  Sorry. Yeah, you don't want to get the
• 6:36:36
  copper, right? Other two channels that Lisa's.
• 6:36:40
  I'm on two strikes on this one because of playing music.
• 6:36:50
  Well dang. I just read an account.
• 6:36:55
  Of that tank man. Yeah and there's a pic comes
• 6:36:58
  with a picture which shows this guy in the white shirt and black
• 6:37:02
  pants. You know, in front of the tanks.
• 6:37:05
  It says. It says this is how they
• 6:37:09
  described it the man blocked the path of the tanks even as they
• 6:37:12
  gun their engines. He climbed onto the first tank
• 6:37:15
  pounded on the hatchet and appeared to speak to the
• 6:37:18
  soldiers inside when he stepped back down in front of the tank
• 6:37:22
  two men ran into the street and pulled him away confrontation
• 6:37:25
  became one of the most enduring images of the pro-democracy.
• 6:37:30
  That's what you know, and all we see is the picture of the guy in
• 6:37:33
  the guys right in front of the tanks.
• 6:37:34
  I mean there would be video I think.
• 6:37:38
  Yeah, yeah interesting. And a lot of people remember to
• 6:37:43
  where they just ran him, right, the fuck over and they thought
• 6:37:47
  it was the most gruesome horrible thing that could be
• 6:37:50
  done and it ended up giving China, a terrible reputation for
• 6:37:54
  it. Right?
• 6:37:56
  Well, the thing is, it did come on the heels, right of I mean I
• 6:38:01
  think that was immediately after when they actually had killed a
• 6:38:05
  bunch of Students or something hundreds of them or something,
• 6:38:09
  in some protests, washing it or something.
• 6:38:13
  And then that was that was part of the uprisings ongoing.
• 6:38:18
  Just, you know, I'm supposed to come out of the Tiananmen Square
• 6:38:25
  is a video, a video of it. Yeah, I recall, I recall I'm
• 6:38:31
  having the. Is that smoking leaving YouTube?
• 6:38:36
  Okay, yeah, I recall my one on the left, the one on the left is
• 6:38:43
  what I remember. Maybe.
• 6:38:44
  Yeah, it's Kenny and Smoky. Yeah the monocle.
• 6:38:49
  Yeah that's what I remember to what about Mickey Mouse you
• 6:38:53
  remember Mickey Mouse having buttons on the suspenders Yeah.
• 6:38:59
  Yeah, but very, very early ones. No little fucking my 1920s
• 6:39:04
  Orlando. Yeah, put in Mickey Mouse button
• 6:39:09
  suspenders Mandela effect. You see what I'm talking about?
• 6:39:17
  Does anybody recall a Curious George hanging from a tree with
• 6:39:21
  from his tail? I don't remember if I fail not
• 6:39:31
  anymore and Mickey Mouse doesn't have suspenders, but he has
• 6:39:35
  buttons on his shorts, he has Mickey Mouse shorts.
• 6:39:38
  Yeah, but the original Mickey Mouse was a lot different.
• 6:39:42
  Many versions. Yeah, what is the Mickey Mouse
• 6:39:47
  one bread that he used to have suspenders suspenders and these
• 6:39:50
  buttons that basically held them up.
• 6:39:53
  And then for some reason I think that the claim now is that the
• 6:39:57
  buttons are lower over the pants hairier something but they were
• 6:40:01
  originally looking like they were fastening the shit to the
• 6:40:06
  pants. Yeah, that's where I would
• 6:40:09
  picture on his right where the belt would be.
• 6:40:16
  The button. I mean something.
• 6:40:21
  But I don't recall, I think I might recall some toys or
• 6:40:24
  whatnot with the button thing on it.
• 6:40:32
  He used to have a monocle. And there's different versions.
• 6:40:37
  This is not some psychic phenomenon.
• 6:40:41
  Wait, he did used to have a monocle or he is there any
• 6:40:44
  previous they have a monocle. That's why I remember the
• 6:40:50
  picture with the monocle. Like this is a fake.
• 6:40:56
  I guess it's just from my mind when I was playing Monopoly
• 6:41:01
  guys, right now, looks familiar to me not really the guy with
• 6:41:04
  the monocle. I have to say Myself, the guy on
• 6:41:08
  the right looks more authentic. But if you just thought about
• 6:41:12
  it, would you remember as having a monocle?
• 6:41:16
  Well II would have been looking at this thinking, which one is
• 6:41:19
  it? And I would have got, I mean, I
• 6:41:21
  went with the wrong one on the right.
• 6:41:22
  It just, it's sort of one of those things that I don't try to
• 6:41:25
  think about it very much. I could go with the one that oh,
• 6:41:28
  I think that one that's the same for me.
• 6:41:30
  Like, when I see the Monaco, it looks wrong.
• 6:41:32
  But in my memory, there we go. There's some buckles right
• 6:41:35
  there, there's some buttons. He has buttons but isn't the
• 6:41:39
  thing you're saying? He has no suspenders though?
• 6:41:42
  Ya think the description? Well, that's a hell of a lot
• 6:41:49
  more worse than what the hell. I was telling you didn't it out
• 6:41:54
  of funds that Mouse people in pain top.
• 6:42:00
  This thing Flames that since the first appearance in 1936 mr.
• 6:42:05
  Monopoly has never been pictured.
• 6:42:07
  With a monocle. Wow, that does not look right to
• 6:42:10
  me. Did he say since the first I
• 6:42:14
  mean does that indicate the first appearance was with a
• 6:42:16
  monocle but since then no or are they saying from the very
• 6:42:20
  beginning? He's never had a monocle.
• 6:42:24
  Good question. It says I got the impression
• 6:42:30
  that he never had one. Here's why you think he does?
• 6:42:38
  If you imagine him with the top hat mustache and monocle you're
• 6:42:42
  not alone. I think you're confusing him
• 6:42:46
  with the Planters peanut guy. Yeah, Uncle Bo as well.
• 6:42:54
  So I think he does have a monocle.
• 6:43:03
  It says since his first appearance in 1936.
• 6:43:06
  Mr. Monopoly has never been pictured on a monopoly box or
• 6:43:09
  board with a monocle, but there were cards.
• 6:43:14
  I don't know. I'm telling you, it's like if I
• 6:43:21
  am without knowing what the author really meant, it's hard
• 6:43:25
  to tell when he says since since the open you know, since the,
• 6:43:30
  you know, Premier or whatever. You know the Dave since the
• 6:43:34
  debut he's never appeared with a monocle.
• 6:43:37
  It almost like leave the door open for all and the first of,
• 6:43:41
  you know, the first announcement there he was, but does And it
• 6:43:47
  says that says, pictures of the Monopoly, man wearing a monocle
• 6:43:53
  do exist. Although, most of these have
• 6:43:56
  been altered to demonstrate the Mandela effect or are unofficial
• 6:44:00
  drawings. Right.
• 6:44:06
  Take a look at this pretty remember, with carrier.
• 6:44:12
  Love you Curious, George. I recall this fucking thing
• 6:44:15
  hanging from tree. Branches with his tail.
• 6:44:18
  No, I did. Hello, no tail.
• 6:44:21
  I remember being really node fails was like, why?
• 6:44:28
  If he's a monkey? Where's his tail basically?
• 6:44:32
  Well when you were a kid, you remember thinking that?
• 6:44:35
  From, I mean, that's my memory. I don't know if it's accurate.
• 6:44:38
  I mean, I still have some Curious George books from when I
• 6:44:40
  was a little kid. My God.
• 6:44:41
  That's my, you know, that was like, I love monkeys and apes as
• 6:44:44
  I was like my favorite animal and I love what you're saying
• 6:44:47
  that your memory was that you thought where's his tail?
• 6:44:51
  Well no because yeah because as a little kid I was interested in
• 6:44:55
  primates and apes and monkeys and from what I understood
• 6:44:58
  monkeys had tails Apes did not. What's your deal with the I'll
• 6:45:06
  get the way the spelling is on Looney Tunes.
• 6:45:13
  Oh yeah. Well I As its Tunes, like like
• 6:45:20
  music? Oh, I see is so weird.
• 6:45:25
  It took me a while. I kept looking at loonies like
• 6:45:27
  wait it's the same, isn't that what sounds to like?
• 6:45:31
  There's a tea in there where you wouldn't expect it.
• 6:45:34
  Yeah, my impression it's the to0.
• 6:45:36
  Anna, s, that's my guess. True ones.
• 6:45:41
  That look at me. Good foods pale-looking,
• 6:45:43
  Pikachu's tail. I don't know.
• 6:45:45
  Originally I remember something having the black tip when the
• 6:45:49
  into detail now. Look at that weird.
• 6:45:51
  Yeah, with the black tip doesn't look familiar to me but I
• 6:45:54
  recognized the character whatever.
• 6:45:59
  I'm going to bed alone without for basket or with.
• 6:46:03
  Yeah, that's so funny. Just nice to make some good
• 6:46:08
  night. See you on.
• 6:46:12
  Are you going? Well, is that what you're
• 6:46:13
  saying? No, I'm just saying, oh,
• 6:46:29
  I remember once said that no way no way today.
• 6:46:34
  It doesn't count the burgers. I'm like obsessed with Star
• 6:46:36
  Wars. So I knew that.
• 6:46:40
  It's like pointed out in some documentary or something or it's
• 6:46:42
  like they're talking about how George Lucas intentionally made
• 6:46:45
  certain things like sort of interesting and asymmetrical and
• 6:46:49
  stuff. Well, some people believe in
• 6:46:52
  being golden though. Yeah, don't deserve a look.
• 6:46:58
  Okay. What about this?
• 6:46:59
  Let's see. If you guys remember this
• 6:47:02
  remember this guy or is it I definitely remember the guy in
• 6:47:06
  the left. I can't I mean come on.
• 6:47:08
  Seriously. No way.
• 6:47:10
  I don't think I never saw the guy on the right and my life.
• 6:47:13
  It seems like I'm going to be showing wrong.
• 6:47:18
  I know it. I'm see Captain Crunch.
• 6:47:25
  Let's take a look at Fruit Loops.
• 6:47:27
  What do you see? Yeah.
• 6:47:30
  You I in trouble? Yeah, yeah.
• 6:47:35
  Same deal with the fruit. See how I will go.
• 6:47:38
  You, I love you. I don't I don't remember
• 6:47:40
  everything. Felt like, even on the to
• 6:47:45
  somebody's got some feedback, how many people remember Captain
• 6:47:49
  Crunch being like that? I remember the apostrophe I
• 6:47:56
  would go with the apostrophe in. That's what I remember.
• 6:48:06
  Shit, let's look a little bit more.
• 6:48:09
  What about Pringle? He was Henry like Everybody
• 6:48:13
  likes Pringles, right? Which kind though?
• 6:48:16
  Yeah, I like the plane. The one on the one with the
• 6:48:23
  ginger mustache. Yeah, that's definitely doable.
• 6:48:31
  I wouldn't bet on either one, but I yeah.
• 6:48:32
  The one on the left seems to be the most That's what people
• 6:48:38
  remember. This is what Adam was talking
• 6:48:40
  about, the Berenstein. Okay, so what is it?
• 6:48:45
  The difference here let's just cover here Berenstain.
• 6:48:51
  Oh, That's definitely cool to fill up on snacks.
• 6:49:00
  Called it burns, then we'll get. But it was staying right.
• 6:49:06
  Not steam aren't these remember Target the store.
• 6:49:09
  Take a look at that. I remember that.
• 6:49:13
  I think I go with the one on the left but is that, that's what I
• 6:49:16
  remember. I remember a bull's-eye looking
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  deal. Yeah.
• 6:49:22
  I think I've I thought it only had three circles that so I
• 6:49:26
  likes Coca-Cola, right? So, which one is it?
• 6:49:39
  What is no hyphen in the one? I think there was a little dot
• 6:49:43
  usually between the two if that's the difference.
• 6:49:48
  All right, so off a couple more things and leave it alone.
• 6:49:52
  Okay. So what do you guys remember
• 6:49:54
  about McDonald's? billion sold Oh, yeah, I don't
• 6:50:09
  think there's a Mac. There's no air.
• 6:50:12
  There's no a is there no, is it the actual Scottish name?
• 6:50:19
  However, because I mean McDonald's is just MCM of the
• 6:50:23
  yeah, the food place. I think that's always been in
• 6:50:27
  the safe. That's what is the weird one.
• 6:50:32
  People are claiming that the residue of a movie called
• 6:50:36
  Shazam. Never heard of that.
• 6:50:38
  I'm over that movie but I know I never that claim well, mr.
• 6:50:43
  Sinbad does not remember, ever participating in a movie like
• 6:50:47
  that. Full of still looking fast.
• 6:50:50
  I was lying. It's in bad still alive.
• 6:50:55
  I thought he died. I don't know, wasn't that movie
• 6:51:00
  with Shaq and not Sinbad. That's what some people claim
• 6:51:05
  there was another, like Isaiah Mandela them, but the movie had
• 6:51:10
  him plane a genie. And he doesn't recall it but
• 6:51:15
  they're still imagery out there of him being in that film.
• 6:51:19
  Some people don't some people joke that the movie sucks so
• 6:51:22
  bad. Of course, Sinbad would want to
• 6:51:24
  forget about. That's kind of interesting all
• 6:51:28
  these examples, like deal with things that are like more than
• 6:51:31
  20 years old to, you know, to the, you know, we've all been
• 6:51:36
  exposed for our whole lives, the most of these images in one or
• 6:51:41
  the other of them. Jiffy yeah, she wraps and
• 6:51:46
  Chippy. I'm sitting nice moments as
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  well, you know just after 9/11 to go like 20 people to sit down
• 6:51:54
  and write down what the remember like two days later.
• 6:51:56
  What about me think I'm like everyone is after that and the
• 6:52:00
  storage or completely different numbers are so yeah just the
• 6:52:04
  human members to know that already goes remember about the
• 6:52:07
  portrait. I remember she didn't have much
• 6:52:10
  of a smile I think so I go with the one on the right.
• 6:52:20
  Well, there you go folks. So a little bit of it and
• 6:52:24
  there's literally thousands and thousands of different stuff on
• 6:52:29
  that interesting, right? I'm trying to figure out if
• 6:52:34
  that's the same wild heart. I'm looking at before we went
• 6:52:37
  into this Mandela thing. There's one guy is a residue
• 6:52:45
  I've sense about him. Yeah, the wall that one of my
• 6:52:52
  friend ppor is going to be opening up a show tomorrow
• 6:52:55
  around the same time and everybody can still come in.
• 6:52:59
  I'd be probably chilling out with the family and see what
• 6:53:02
  kind of trash your dumpster fire.
• 6:53:05
  He's caused be his first time hosting the room on the channel.
• 6:53:09
  Can I can I share a video? A real quick but wanted to share
• 6:53:13
  the short one. Hold on one second.
• 6:53:16
  It's something that praise put out earlier.
• 6:53:21
  It ain't got no personal information on it, does it?
• 6:53:25
  I don't think it's personal information but it is making fun
• 6:53:29
  of an individual mmm named gah. If you know, that is they've
• 6:53:38
  been our, let me share the link. Let me share the link with you
• 6:53:41
  and you can see you can make the Judgment.
• 6:53:44
  It's not, I don't know. It's just oops.
• 6:53:47
  Sorry about that one second. It's trying to share this.
• 6:53:51
  Get the copy. It's, you know, it's the guy's
• 6:53:57
  own words. It's just put out there in a
• 6:53:59
  funny way. Maybe you didn't see it?
• 6:54:06
  All right, I got the link. Let me take a look.
• 6:54:09
  Have you seen it wildheart? Dad.
• 6:54:17
  Did you see the video? Praise.
• 6:54:19
  I am put up. No.
• 6:54:20
  No, I'm not saying that no good. Am I in it?
• 6:55:03
  I might have to use some of those clips.
• 6:55:06
  Yeah. Whenever I get people that get
• 6:55:08
  out of control in the room, I'll do.
• 6:55:10
  I'll do sit like this. Yeah, shut up.
• 6:55:13
  Shut up. Here we go.
• 6:55:17
  You need to shut the fuck up. Exactly the appropriate.
• 6:55:24
  Yeah, I'm gonna have to grab clips from that thing.
• 6:55:26
  Somebody gets really out of hand and I feel like I gotta kick
• 6:55:30
  them out, which I try not to do. But if someone just won't stop
• 6:55:34
  they get this one. Look at this shit.
• 6:55:36
  You gotta see the screen here. You guys game where you want to
• 6:56:05
  talk about? Are you ready to get some sleep?
• 6:56:08
  Many topics. I like to answer questions more
• 6:56:17
  than like promote something. But yeah, well I'll tell you
• 6:56:23
  what, if you want T want to come in tomorrow and we're going to
• 6:56:25
  be doing something to seven PM. Make sure you bring some, your
• 6:56:28
  pals with you. Yeah, B5.
• 6:56:31
  I was off today. I'm working tomorrow.
• 6:56:33
  I don't know what my schedule will be, but yeah, I will
• 6:56:35
  definitely try to come back in. This is, you know, anywhere like
• 6:56:39
  you know, bro, Joe's Channel there.
• 6:56:42
  In places you can go and actually have a sustained
• 6:56:45
  conversation, you know, and cover a lot of stuff, you know,
• 6:56:49
  from made me different viewpoints, right?
• 6:56:51
  So in a way in a place where you're not getting, you know,
• 6:56:55
  where's that I'll derogatory nonsense As Long As Romans that
• 6:57:02
  it as long as ronan's not in there.
• 6:57:03
  You know I'm pretty peaceful All right, guys.
• 6:57:09
  Well, I'm gonna thank you and good night.
• 6:57:17
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