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Xena Was A Warlord (feat. Macy Rodman) · Like a Virgin

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Speaker 1: I forgot that she was also the sexy fish and
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Speaker 1: shark Tail. Just wanted to make yes, thank you, thank you,
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Speaker 1: that is so true that and thank you for and
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Speaker 1: yet and she should say it, and thank you for
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Speaker 1: saying that. I've never really been a gamer, but Laura
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Speaker 1: Croft tomb Reader was not like a super important cultural
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Speaker 1: figure for me as a youth, but definitely someone I
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Speaker 1: was aware of and thought was cunt. Someone I was
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Speaker 1: aware of and thought was cunt is the title of
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Speaker 1: your next memoir? That? Or actually that sounds like a
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Speaker 1: Lata tel Ray album. Someone I was aware of it
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Speaker 1: thought was maybe, no, that's a that's a song on
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Speaker 1: a Lata album. Someone I was aware of parentheses and
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Speaker 1: thought um. And someone I've also long been aware of
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Speaker 1: and have always hot his count is Macy Rodman, who's
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Speaker 1: here today to talk with us all about Laura Croft
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Speaker 1: tomb Raider and the woman who embody Audi Audi to
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Speaker 1: her Angelina Jolie. And this is we like we can't
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Speaker 1: play this down a trenifestation, okay, Like Macy is god
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Speaker 1: of podcasting and like we in podcast communities adore everything
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Speaker 1: that is nympho wars so to like have macye on
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Speaker 1: the show. Hello, this is come true. Yes, if you
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Speaker 1: aren't familiar with Macy, she's an incredible performer, musician and
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Speaker 1: co host of nympha Wars, the best and only podcast
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Speaker 1: to ever exist, the only podcast that should exist, including
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Speaker 1: this one. Um, so we will this is the last
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Speaker 1: episode of this podcast. We will be ending it after
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Speaker 1: this so that only Nympho Wars continues. But we're so
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Speaker 1: happy to have me see with us today to talk
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Speaker 1: about all things tomb Raider and Angelina Jolie. Because this
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Speaker 1: is like a virgin the show we give yesterday's pop
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Speaker 1: culture today's takes. I'm dam and I'm fran Toronto. Rose, Rose,
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Speaker 1: you've know that we have some newses out because do
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Speaker 1: you want to know what happened to me last night?
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Speaker 1: What happened to you last night? And X, who I
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Speaker 1: have not spoken to are seen in years, texted me
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Speaker 1: and said I miss you. Oh oh yeah. It's It's
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Speaker 1: News's Alpu season for sure, And like it's so funny
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Speaker 1: because I got the text and it was like cinematic.
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Speaker 1: I got the text. And you know, when I have
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Speaker 1: like breakups with people that like waste my time, I
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Speaker 1: put next to their contact do not text in all caps.
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Speaker 1: I know, I've looked through your phone. But the thing
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Speaker 1: is that you don't follow your own rules frequently text
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Speaker 1: people that you write do not text next Okay, frequently,
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Speaker 1: but not always, because sometimes it does work, and sometimes,
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Speaker 1: like I have, I have been in the car going
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Speaker 1: to change the music on your phone and I'll say,
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Speaker 1: you have a text from do not parentheses, do not text?
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Speaker 1: Why are they texting you? Yeah? Yeah, yeah? Why are
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Speaker 1: you in conversation with them? Yeah? And this is one
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Speaker 1: of those scenarios where I was like, I know exactly
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Speaker 1: what's happening because we hadn't talked in so long, and
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Speaker 1: Rose I dragged him immediately. I said, I like, he
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Speaker 1: sent me a bunch of things that was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I want to visit you in l a blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: And I responded, I said, so you've been listening to
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Speaker 1: the new scissah you And he said he was like, okay, accurate, drag.
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Speaker 1: You got his ass. But that's the thing is, like
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Speaker 1: SAYSSA really does make music for like people that are
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Speaker 1: experiencing breakups and like girls with intrusive thoughts like that
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Speaker 1: is the boss. Yes, I'm definitely more in the second camp.
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Speaker 1: I will say I have been loving the album since
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Speaker 1: I listened to it. It's not necessarily making me feel anything,
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Speaker 1: but I think that's just because I'm like dead inside.
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Speaker 1: But I am vibing to it immensely and haven't been
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Speaker 1: able to listen to anything else all weekend. Yeah. I
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Speaker 1: also like can't turn it off, like I am addicted.
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Speaker 1: I love love. It's like everything that I wanted out
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Speaker 1: of her, honestly, and you know, like they're and some
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Speaker 1: things that I wasn't expecting to get from her, like
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Speaker 1: the whole like pop punk vibe of it, the the
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Speaker 1: F to F of it all, which is is that
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Speaker 1: female to female? No, maybe it sounds like a fiction
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Speaker 1: F T F trans Um. I used to tell my
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Speaker 1: friend who did steroids that he was an M to
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Speaker 1: M trans man. Don't cancel me, Um, that's not not
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Speaker 1: not true. It's not not true. Um. Yeah, I I
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Speaker 1: really wasn't expecting that on the album. I guess I
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Speaker 1: didn't really know what to expect, So I'm just happily
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Speaker 1: receiving this album. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. But what I
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Speaker 1: meant to like, what I was trying to say, it's
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Speaker 1: just like that I'm grateful, honestly that she doesn't release
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Speaker 1: music that often, Like there's a preciousness now to the
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Speaker 1: work of Acissa album that I can cherish. That is,
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Speaker 1: I think something that's really great about anticipating someone for me,
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Speaker 1: someone like Sissa, And you know, I'm less likely to
5:18
Speaker 1: pick it apart or get mad about certain things because
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Speaker 1: I'm just grateful to have Sissa um as opposed to
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Speaker 1: like another artist that releases, you know, an album every
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Speaker 1: other year or whatever. Yeah, I mean it is. It
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Speaker 1: is interesting that both Sissa and Lana released new music
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Speaker 1: in the same week. Um Lana released her the first
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Speaker 1: single of her new album, did you Know There's a
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Speaker 1: Tunnel Under Ocean Boulevard, which I love. And these are
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Speaker 1: two artists who I would say have like somewhat similar sensibilities,
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Speaker 1: like not necessarily make the same kind of music, but
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Speaker 1: make thematically similar like sad girl music but are yeah
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Speaker 1: but are but are almost girls with intrusive thoughts and
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Speaker 1: fat asses. But they are almost diametrically opposed in the
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Speaker 1: way that they release music. Because a Lana is super prolific.
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Speaker 1: You know, she releases an album every two years, if
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Speaker 1: not more, and has since the start of her career,
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Speaker 1: and there is a real sense that like she is
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Speaker 1: constantly making art and wanting to immediately put it out
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Speaker 1: and like has that relationship with her fan base. And
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because she feels pressured to
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Speaker 1: or if that's just she just is producing on that
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Speaker 1: level where she wants to be constantly sharing it, whereas
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Speaker 1: someone like Scissa seems to really want to be like
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Speaker 1: perfecting it and only putting on something when it's like
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Speaker 1: really is completed and cohesive. Um. And I mean also
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Speaker 1: we don't know what the whole like business side of
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Speaker 1: it is behind the scenes, but like obviously there has
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Speaker 1: been this long running joke about how we're always waiting
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Speaker 1: on this as an album. She had said something last
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Speaker 1: week about how a bunch of people who she wanted
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Speaker 1: to feature on the album didn't turn in their verses
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Speaker 1: on time, and I saw someone tweet like they probably
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Speaker 1: thought they had a lot longer before they needed to
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Speaker 1: way we could features. I'm sure, but I'm glad to
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Speaker 1: read it. I'm glad we got the ones that we
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Speaker 1: did because the Phoebe song is so good, so fucking cool.
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Speaker 1: I I loved it. Wait, I don't want to lose
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Speaker 1: the thread. But I have to ask you, does Lana
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Speaker 1: have a fat ass or does she just make music
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Speaker 1: for girls with asses. I think she makes music for
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Speaker 1: both girls with fat asses and girls with flat asses. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's what I was saying. I was thinking more flat,
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Speaker 1: but you know, I could see girls with flat asses
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Speaker 1: who want to have fat asses on the Phoebe song. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I already told you I'm not going to tell the
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Speaker 1: versions because it was too sacred of an experience. But
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Speaker 1: I had like an out of body, like near spiritual
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Speaker 1: experience with this song, driving in my car with something
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Speaker 1: that happened to me. Um, I was shook by how
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Speaker 1: when Phoebe's verse drops, it's almost like a new It
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Speaker 1: sounds like just it drops in like a Phoebe song,
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Speaker 1: Like it's so crystallinely clearly just Phoebe. And I was
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Speaker 1: shocked by that, honestly, that it wasn't like run through
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Speaker 1: the mill of like sciss is kind of like layered
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Speaker 1: you know, landscaping production. Um, until there's like a little
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Speaker 1: voice distortion at the end. But I loved it. I
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Speaker 1: mean it was really unexpected. Yeah, Drobbes verse, Phoebe's verse
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Speaker 1: does sounds like it could be right off Punisher. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and that's what I like that when an artist brings
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Speaker 1: another artist on and lets them do what they do.
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Speaker 1: You know. I actually felt a lot like that when
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Speaker 1: Um Midnights came out and Lana was on Snow on
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Speaker 1: the Beach, Like, I think she was perfectly utilized in
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Speaker 1: a way that is very true to who Laana is
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Speaker 1: as an artist. And yeah, I do. I do think
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Speaker 1: Sissa used or or collaborated with Phoebe in the same way. Um.
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Speaker 1: You know, some my favorite songs um are obviously the
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Speaker 1: Phoebe song r F to F. I also really like
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Speaker 1: Gone Girl, Um not just for the you know, amazing
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Speaker 1: amy of it all, So I think it's it's just
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Speaker 1: like a really fun, pretty song. What are some of
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Speaker 1: your faves so far? I mean, I do love the
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Speaker 1: Phoebe song. I love love language, Scissa sampling herself like
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Speaker 1: it was so good, And then like the orchestra after
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Speaker 1: she samples herself in that song, it's like, so, I
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Speaker 1: just like I appreciate, you know, much like the way
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Speaker 1: she used Phoebe. Scissa like sees like features and sees
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Speaker 1: so many different she takes inspiration from so many different
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Speaker 1: genres and like the way she creates this kind of
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Speaker 1: tapestry of music. I think it's like over and over again,
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Speaker 1: so captivating and so a genre right, Like she fus
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Speaker 1: with like multiple genres within her own and it's almost
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Speaker 1: as if she used Phoebe as like not used that's
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Speaker 1: like I don't want it to be like, you know, pejorative,
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Speaker 1: but it's almost like Phoebe was like an instrument, like
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Speaker 1: a beautiful instrument to lay within the canvas of her work.
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Speaker 1: And I found that over and over again with stuff
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Speaker 1: like um with Gone Girl. Definitely, I think F to
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Speaker 1: F is like another moment where I was just like damn,
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Speaker 1: like you really can explore all genres and uh and
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Speaker 1: or I'm actually forgiveless where she like did the Vespertine
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Speaker 1: like the York sample, taking the little choir from the background.
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Speaker 1: I was like, damn, this is like so good and
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Speaker 1: I love just thinking about Scissla listening to York. That's
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like you know that their work is
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Speaker 1: in conversation, like regardless of like how far away you
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Speaker 1: might see, they're like respective like art forms, Like their
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Speaker 1: work is in conversation and you can I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I just appreciate Sissa on the production level. UM, and
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Speaker 1: I have also been like day one, siss A stand
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Speaker 1: like sweet November sis A stand for sure. Wait, I
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Speaker 1: don't want to, you know, non consensually. Uh uh make
11:16
Speaker 1: you listen to any White Lotus discourse? But like can
11:20
Speaker 1: I I I exist on the internet. You know I
11:25
Speaker 1: haven't watched this season. I'm not going to. I just
11:28
Speaker 1: I just don't care. Um. But because I haven't watched
11:31
Speaker 1: the season, I would love to get, like your t
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Speaker 1: L d R what you thought of it as a whole,
11:37
Speaker 1: since I'm not going to watch it, and then I
11:40
Speaker 1: truly never want to hear about it again until you
11:44
Speaker 1: know the next season inevitably comes out. By the way,
11:47
Speaker 1: spoilers for this season of The White Lotus if you
11:50
Speaker 1: haven't watched and want to or um, haven't watched the
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Speaker 1: finale yet. Something that I think was super fascinating and
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Speaker 1: like a joy to watch that I like, honestly, it's
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Speaker 1: a conversation I'm not saying anywhere else. Is like the
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Speaker 1: function of like sex work in this season, Like have
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Speaker 1: you been hearing at all about like the kind of
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Speaker 1: two sex worker characters in the show I have the
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Speaker 1: phrase white Lotus muted on Twitter for the reason. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so I mean there are two central characters also have
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Speaker 1: ava max muted. Oh. I would that would maybe be
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Speaker 1: fun one day for us to go through and share
12:27
Speaker 1: some of our muted I have ava max muted on Spotify. Unfortunately, UM,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what my muted Twitter words are. I'd
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Speaker 1: have to check. Um probably elon um. Okay, so white Lotus, Um.
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Speaker 1: There are these two sex workers that are kind of
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Speaker 1: central characters integral to the plot. In fact, they're actually
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Speaker 1: like the driving force behind a lot of pin plot
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Speaker 1: points throughout the show. And I would say there are
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Speaker 1: I think four sex workers total that come in and
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Speaker 1: out of the series and function some way within the
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Speaker 1: plot and Rose so many different sex workers are hired
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Speaker 1: or engaged with, like on a professional level, like for
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Speaker 1: their profession, and each character who hires a sex worker
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Speaker 1: does it for like a completely different reason, a completely
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Speaker 1: different motive, a completely different world. And some of these
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Speaker 1: characters are people that you would never either wouldn't expect
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Speaker 1: to use, use, or engage with sex work or hated
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Speaker 1: sex workers at the beginning of the series, and so
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Speaker 1: like I just like honestly thought that was like interesting
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Speaker 1: to see how sex workers like move lives, like move
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Speaker 1: characters and move plat points, and they were kind of
13:38
Speaker 1: the fan favorite characters like I'm sure you've seen you're
13:40
Speaker 1: seeing like pictures of them with a little like Bob
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Speaker 1: or whatever, the girl with the I have kind of
13:46
Speaker 1: trained my brain to immediately identify white later screenshots and
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Speaker 1: just scrawl past. Speaking of sex work, Um, I saw
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Speaker 1: the menu this weekend and really liked it, and I
14:00
Speaker 1: you have you haven't seen it yet, right, No? I have,
14:03
Speaker 1: So I won't spoil anything for you because you do
14:07
Speaker 1: want to see it, Yes, I do, Okay, So I
14:10
Speaker 1: want you to go into it without spoilers, obviously, but
14:13
Speaker 1: I want to put a pin in this and come
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Speaker 1: back and talk about what you think about the way
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Speaker 1: sex work is depicted in the menu because it is
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Speaker 1: um but but generally, I really liked the movie and
14:27
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun watching it and thought it
14:28
Speaker 1: was super funny and like at least somewhat incisive. So we'll,
14:33
Speaker 1: you know, we'll catch up on that when when you've
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Speaker 1: seen it. Look, I'm here for Anna Taylor Joy and
14:38
Speaker 1: Nicholas Holt and Judith lte Judith like kind of criminally
14:42
Speaker 1: under used in the film, which is which is very unensembly,
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Speaker 1: but she could have had She was kind of one
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Speaker 1: note through the entire movie and could have had much
14:52
Speaker 1: more to do. But I still enjoyed it, and I
14:54
Speaker 1: also enjoyed um. I saw it at Lincoln Center at
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Speaker 1: the Lincoln Center AMC with my other It was the
15:00
Speaker 1: first time I had been to an AMC since I
15:03
Speaker 1: saw Tar and I was just so happy to see
15:07
Speaker 1: Nicole again. I missed her. I was the only one
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Speaker 1: who applauded at the end of her of her monologue,
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17:01
Speaker 1: may mean Macy, are you? I feel like I do
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Speaker 1: know this about you? But are you a big gamer? Um?
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Speaker 1: So I go through phases um where I am inspired
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Speaker 1: to game, and then I will take it. I'll like
17:16
Speaker 1: really like binge out on it, and then I'll take
17:19
Speaker 1: a break for a while, but um yeah, I go
17:22
Speaker 1: through I go through seasons of gaming. Okay, do you
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Speaker 1: have a particular like style of game that you like.
17:28
Speaker 1: Not that I'm like super literate on them, but I
17:31
Speaker 1: feel like they're like they're sort of like the tried
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Speaker 1: and true, you know, models of game I love. I
17:38
Speaker 1: love you trying to like parse your way through like
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Speaker 1: video game any language. It's actually incredible because Rose like
17:44
Speaker 1: doesn't know I wasn't really I'm not. I'm not a gamer,
17:47
Speaker 1: but like I know, like the my my main experience
17:50
Speaker 1: with video games is like this one Wizard of Oz
17:53
Speaker 1: Nintendo game that I used to play when I was little,
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Speaker 1: and then um like creating uh slurs in some kind
18:01
Speaker 1: of wrestling game. Of course they were always always women,
18:05
Speaker 1: and like as soon as the actual game had to start,
18:07
Speaker 1: I lost interest. I was only so, were you ever
18:11
Speaker 1: into sims because that's a big I was. But like,
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is so kind of cliche or becaues
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Speaker 1: It's not. Maybe I'm just like a twisted person, but
18:21
Speaker 1: all I would do is use the hack you like,
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Speaker 1: rosebud Um, like build the house and then kill the
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Speaker 1: sims as soon as yeah yeah, and then like sometimes
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Speaker 1: you could add in nudity, so it's like rich nude
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Speaker 1: death like didn't I didn't know about that, but okay,
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Speaker 1: So so what I like is either a third person
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Speaker 1: action game which is your classic like tomb Writer or
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Speaker 1: g t A where you see the person running, because
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Speaker 1: I too love like a create I create a sim
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Speaker 1: type vibe where you're putting a character together and you
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Speaker 1: to see it. Um. I don't do first person shooters. UM.
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Speaker 1: I like an open world, but that's not necessarily um required.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I leve a level creator or if they
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Speaker 1: have provided a County Little Um main character, that's great too.
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Speaker 1: And two is not the ultimate County main character, but
19:23
Speaker 1: Ms Laura herself exactly the original original since so oh
19:34
Speaker 1: that was gonna be. My question is how long tomb
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Speaker 1: Rat has been around, because it feels like she's been
19:38
Speaker 1: with us forever, and in a way, she kind of has.
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Speaker 1: Did you start Did you start playing tomb Rat when
19:45
Speaker 1: it first came out? Yes, well no, I think I
19:49
Speaker 1: started at tomb ratar to, which came out in nineties seven. Um,
19:56
Speaker 1: and my mom was a babysitter and so we would
20:02
Speaker 1: when she put the kids down for a nap, we
20:05
Speaker 1: would like play tomb Rater and that was like my
20:07
Speaker 1: intro to tomb Rater. And we played all the PS
20:11
Speaker 1: one games into the PS two games and that was like,
20:14
Speaker 1: that was how I came to tom Rater. Did you
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Speaker 1: get to dress Laura Croft up? Or? Was she was
20:21
Speaker 1: her outfit kind of fixed because she has such a
20:24
Speaker 1: defined look. M it was. It was fixed from I
20:28
Speaker 1: think one too, tom Rat one, tom Rat three. It
20:33
Speaker 1: was pretty much all of that one outfit except there
20:36
Speaker 1: were there was like a wetsuit. There was like a
20:39
Speaker 1: cold version with like a bomber jacket and then hard
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Speaker 1: through not box exactly exactly, no matter what huge tits
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Speaker 1: ass out legs out like the whole bit for all
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Speaker 1: that like Spellun games, she was doing literally everywhere that
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Speaker 1: she she was she was totally impractical. Um and then
21:03
Speaker 1: there was like yeah, they got like a she got
21:05
Speaker 1: like a matrix suit at one point, probably after the
21:08
Speaker 1: matrix came out, like they were just like throw that
21:10
Speaker 1: in there. And then now the most recent game she's
21:14
Speaker 1: like ari I like very practical and really sucks. Not
21:20
Speaker 1: not ari I. It is it's giving ls. Yes, it's
21:24
Speaker 1: they've like it's giving Paragon Sports it's giving, like it's
21:28
Speaker 1: giving all of that. It's like really a bummer. So
21:31
Speaker 1: is his lacross thing, Like is she a superhero or
21:35
Speaker 1: is she just like extremely rich like Batman? She's Batman.
21:40
Speaker 1: She's Batman. Okay, So she just has like lots of
21:44
Speaker 1: training and tech and she is an adventurer. Yes, her
21:50
Speaker 1: backstory is that she's a Pulitzer Prise winning photo journalist. No,
21:55
Speaker 1: you're kidding me. No, I'm not joking. And her fun
22:00
Speaker 1: other Instagram. It's huge on Instagram. Yeah, she's done so many,
22:08
Speaker 1: not geo covers in the game. She actually invented Instagram. Now,
22:14
Speaker 1: her father's name is like Rupert Cross. I forget her
22:17
Speaker 1: dad's name, but he was like an Indiana Jones type
22:21
Speaker 1: like before she was born. And so a lot of
22:24
Speaker 1: the games are like like Batman is like my dead
22:26
Speaker 1: daddy who died on the in the field. I'm continuing
22:32
Speaker 1: his legacy and taking all these photos like sometimes like
22:37
Speaker 1: restoring artifacts, sometimes like taking an artifact. It's like that
22:42
Speaker 1: it's all this stuff that has to do with her
22:43
Speaker 1: personal lore and like the like things that she learned
22:47
Speaker 1: from her father, and like, yeah, it's it's very Batman. Yeah,
22:52
Speaker 1: is she um respectful of the cultures that she's um
22:57
Speaker 1: the tombs she's rating. I mean, I might be biased,
23:02
Speaker 1: but I think my overall memory is yes. Because the
23:10
Speaker 1: in the original like plans for the game, she was
23:12
Speaker 1: supposed to be like a hired gun who was like
23:15
Speaker 1: stealing things for these mega rich people. But in the
23:19
Speaker 1: one that actually came out, she's like a lone operator
23:23
Speaker 1: or she's like often restoring things or like correcting things
23:27
Speaker 1: or stopping people from stealing artifacts that would change the
23:30
Speaker 1: course of history. Um, but she does have like a
23:34
Speaker 1: ship ton of artifacts like at her house. Yeah, I
23:38
Speaker 1: feel I feel like I feel like it's there's a
23:40
Speaker 1: fine there's a fine line there. She's maybe she's maybe
23:43
Speaker 1: giving like um Xena Warrior Princess a little in which
23:46
Speaker 1: like Zena's whole thing was, you know, she was like
23:48
Speaker 1: making up for being having been a warlord. So Laura
23:53
Speaker 1: Croft has some she's done some questionable things, and now
23:56
Speaker 1: she's got a little bit of a she's got a karma.
24:00
Speaker 1: Is my boyfriend. She's like, I'm restoring all these stolen
24:05
Speaker 1: artifacts that were stolen by me. Yeah, it's me, Hi,
24:12
Speaker 1: I am the problem. It's me. I did not know
24:15
Speaker 1: that Zena was a warlord. That's actually crazy, but honestly,
24:19
Speaker 1: it's called Zena Warlord, warhawk. Imperialist princess um Xena climate
24:29
Speaker 1: change denier turned to activist princess, yeah, like a little
24:35
Speaker 1: and is Greta is Greta Tunberg. But I don't, Mazie,
24:41
Speaker 1: I don't think you're being biased. I'm just I'm willing
24:43
Speaker 1: to subscribe to to the belief that, you know. Tomb
24:46
Speaker 1: Raider was like the kind of ethical response to Indiana Jones,
24:50
Speaker 1: because I do feel like Indiana Jones, like when we
24:53
Speaker 1: look at it now, like everyone's always like, oh my god,
24:55
Speaker 1: it's a problematic and you're colonizer or whatever, and it's
24:59
Speaker 1: all about the stolen of artifacts and like and then
25:01
Speaker 1: Tom Reader was like, but I'm a girl, and yeah, yeah,
25:06
Speaker 1: I think that they and I think they attempted that
25:11
Speaker 1: but maybe didn't do it with like the deftist hand,
25:14
Speaker 1: and like in the New One, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
25:20
Speaker 1: In the New Ones, they like, um, they they're really
25:25
Speaker 1: you can tell that they really are like trying to
25:27
Speaker 1: be careful with that line and like she's like doing research,
25:31
Speaker 1: she's like she's so weird. In the New Game, she's
25:34
Speaker 1: like talk now, she's not well in the movie. In
25:40
Speaker 1: the Alicia of the Candor movie, she's a fucking bike
25:43
Speaker 1: messenger who then lives rich. How it's also not Alicia
25:49
Speaker 1: Vickender who, Oh my god, don't she's She's in The
25:54
Speaker 1: Danish Girl, right, yes, which has never been any redman as.
26:00
Speaker 1: But but why does it all come back to the
26:05
Speaker 1: Danish Girl. I feel like we've brought it up several
26:08
Speaker 1: times on this podcast. I think she won the Oscar
26:10
Speaker 1: for the Danish Girl to like everyone she did she did.
26:16
Speaker 1: Um so brave of her to appear in a movie
26:19
Speaker 1: about Danish people. I would love to hear while we're
26:23
Speaker 1: on the movies. Actually, so I've seen I I don't
26:26
Speaker 1: know if I've seen the tomb Raters sequel, but I
26:28
Speaker 1: have seen the o G and I have seen the
26:30
Speaker 1: Atlicia vit Kender one. Okay, well, speaking of Danish, speaking
26:35
Speaker 1: of Danish people, and the tomb Rater's sequel. Um. The
26:38
Speaker 1: person who directed the tomb Raters sequel's name is um Jandabant,
26:47
Speaker 1: and he also directed Speed and Twister, which I did
26:51
Speaker 1: not Wow. What an incredible filmography. I love Speed and
26:56
Speaker 1: I love Twister yeah, and then he did Laura Croft, Colin,
27:02
Speaker 1: Tomb Writer, Dash, The Cradle of Life. Okay, So I
27:07
Speaker 1: remember the movies as being kind of magical, maybe in
27:11
Speaker 1: a way that the games weren't. I don't know. The
27:14
Speaker 1: games were always pretty magical. They always had it always
27:17
Speaker 1: got um you like later in the game there was
27:21
Speaker 1: always it like was revealed that there was a supernatural
27:24
Speaker 1: element happening. But yeah, the movie from the Job is
27:29
Speaker 1: like Illuminati, um the like it's like the changing of
27:35
Speaker 1: the celestial Like I don't know, I don't know what. Yeah,
27:42
Speaker 1: we're talking about the plot. We're talking about the plot
27:44
Speaker 1: as if it mattered to anyone in this film or
27:47
Speaker 1: like anyone who watches it was no, no, I just
27:51
Speaker 1: the only thing I really remember was that Angelia and
27:54
Speaker 1: Julie's real life dad, who she was a strange from,
27:57
Speaker 1: played her dad in the movie, John John White. Yeah. Yeah,
28:02
Speaker 1: and it was there like it was their first like,
28:05
Speaker 1: um really, it was like their reunion was on this movie.
28:09
Speaker 1: And then I think right after the movie they like
28:11
Speaker 1: went back to being Yeah. He was like, well I
28:14
Speaker 1: did it for the check and now I'm out. I
28:17
Speaker 1: love that. Like everyone involved was like, yeah, this kind
28:20
Speaker 1: of like healing reparative, like reunion of two estranged souls
28:25
Speaker 1: is going to come together? On Laura Croft to writer, right,
28:29
Speaker 1: what a space to work through your trauma? Like, come on,
28:32
Speaker 1: that's probably superstar celebrity family like therapy. Like what the fuck? Well?
28:39
Speaker 1: I mean that this was when did the first two
28:42
Speaker 1: movie come out two thousand and one, and then number
28:46
Speaker 1: two came out in two thousand three, So this was
28:50
Speaker 1: peak Angelina being like most famous actress in the world. Yeah,
28:57
Speaker 1: and so it but also like was this kind of
29:00
Speaker 1: like the beginning of her sort of um like re
29:05
Speaker 1: contextualization as someone who was like a little bit more
29:08
Speaker 1: serious And maybe that's why the dad reconciliation happened. Maybe yeah,
29:14
Speaker 1: because it's like I'm I'm a big box office star.
29:17
Speaker 1: Now I'm not just this wild child who's swapping vials
29:20
Speaker 1: of blood and making out with my brother. I have
29:24
Speaker 1: my ship together. I mean, Tomb Writer at the time
29:28
Speaker 1: was the biggest grossing film with a female headlining lead.
29:36
Speaker 1: Um and then like the but the like Them DVD
29:41
Speaker 1: sales like doubled after that, so it was a huge phenomenon. Um. So,
29:47
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I can see John voit signing on
29:52
Speaker 1: for the jack. It's like it was huge, you know.
29:57
Speaker 1: I am so fascinated by just like the how big
30:01
Speaker 1: it became immediately, Like it's like I'm looking back on
30:05
Speaker 1: like I don't really I didn't really remember much about
30:07
Speaker 1: it because I don't think I watched them as a kid.
30:09
Speaker 1: But like you just think, like, oh, like this, it's
30:11
Speaker 1: just a franchise that is like in large part, you
30:14
Speaker 1: know about breasts and in small part about a lot
30:17
Speaker 1: of other things, but like guns yeah, yeah, and guns
30:20
Speaker 1: were guns yeah, but something that like I I felt
30:28
Speaker 1: like and I I could be totally fudging this. I'm
30:30
Speaker 1: the true virgin of this conversation, so I have seen
30:33
Speaker 1: a few things. But I actually didn't even know that
30:35
Speaker 1: Angelina Jolie made out with her brother, which I will
30:37
Speaker 1: want context on in a second, like when I did
30:41
Speaker 1: not know when it comes to like her in this role, though,
30:44
Speaker 1: I do feel like she took something that's like really shallow.
30:47
Speaker 1: I think she does this with a lot of her roles, right,
30:49
Speaker 1: It's like she takes something that's really shallow, like she
30:51
Speaker 1: takes a bimbo archetype or something that just doesn't have
30:55
Speaker 1: a lot of depth to it. And she kind of
30:57
Speaker 1: adds this like darkness and this ad assery and becomes
31:01
Speaker 1: something that like both men and women like want to
31:04
Speaker 1: like consume and look at. Yeah, she is a BiCon
31:09
Speaker 1: and I think she does that with a lot of
31:10
Speaker 1: her roles and that that's like really shown in something
31:13
Speaker 1: that is like something as kind of trash as tomb
31:15
Speaker 1: raader Um She'll say trash, but you know, yeah, like
31:20
Speaker 1: how dare you? Um? The fan base loved the movies
31:26
Speaker 1: because it gave the it gave she had gravitas and
31:32
Speaker 1: she did she she like didn't play it as not hot,
31:38
Speaker 1: but she did. She played it more as like the
31:43
Speaker 1: focus was the kind of Indiana Jones aspect of that character.
31:48
Speaker 1: She's like primarily a photojournalists, like primarily like the gun
31:58
Speaker 1: woman and like and interested in like this the like
32:03
Speaker 1: um mission at hand. You know. Um, So what was
32:18
Speaker 1: your when you first watched the movies? Like what was
32:21
Speaker 1: your impression like going into I just we haven't even
32:23
Speaker 1: gotten to talk about like your journey with it or
32:26
Speaker 1: like whether it's like you're analogy what you liked about
32:29
Speaker 1: it then or what you like about it now or
32:31
Speaker 1: I just would love to hear about your relationship to
32:32
Speaker 1: like lac so I like I immediately. I mean, I
32:35
Speaker 1: would have loved it even if it was awful, And
32:39
Speaker 1: I mean I've watched it a lot over the years.
32:41
Speaker 1: I don't think it's an awful movie. It's it's pretty
32:44
Speaker 1: like standard, but it's it's not bad. But I my
32:48
Speaker 1: like most distinct memory of seeing it in the theater
32:51
Speaker 1: with my mom was there's a scene where Daniel Craig
32:54
Speaker 1: comes out of the shower with his towel low slung
32:58
Speaker 1: on his hips, and I got the biggest like pre boner,
33:03
Speaker 1: like heart palpitations and not like visible boner, but like
33:08
Speaker 1: I was just like, what's happening? And and I have
33:12
Speaker 1: so much though that I had to tell my mom afterwards.
33:15
Speaker 1: I was like, I feel really because we were like
33:17
Speaker 1: Christian or whatever. I was like, I've I don't know
33:21
Speaker 1: what's happening, and I feel really bad, and she's like, oh,
33:24
Speaker 1: it's it's fine. Like nudity can make you feel weird,
33:29
Speaker 1: it's not even it's like girls shirtless shirtless is nudity
33:34
Speaker 1: when you're a Christian. Let's be clear, like that, it's true.
33:37
Speaker 1: It's true. There's wrist as nudity. I remember really enjoying it.
33:46
Speaker 1: But I think it was because of the of the
33:53
Speaker 1: like girl boss nous of it all, Like just that
33:56
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of like female lead stuff at the time.
34:01
Speaker 1: Um and a strong woman. Yeah, and I, oh, you
34:06
Speaker 1: know what I'm recalling now is that I did have
34:09
Speaker 1: a Lara Croft action figure, which one I don't I
34:13
Speaker 1: think it was must have been one of the earliest
34:15
Speaker 1: ones because like late I think, maybe even before the
34:19
Speaker 1: movie came out, because I think I went into um
34:23
Speaker 1: the store that it's what what game Stop is now,
34:27
Speaker 1: but it used to be called something else before that.
34:30
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, or at least it wasn't my mall.
34:34
Speaker 1: And I remember, like so at that point in my childhood,
34:39
Speaker 1: girl action figures were what I was allowed to have
34:42
Speaker 1: instead of dolls because I couldn't have dolls obviously, because
34:46
Speaker 1: you know, not for boys. Um and so I would
34:51
Speaker 1: find the most fem action figure possible. And I think
34:54
Speaker 1: when I bought that Lara Croft action figure, I didn't
34:58
Speaker 1: even know what tomb Writer was, but I was just like, Oh,
35:01
Speaker 1: here's this like hot bitch that I can play with,
35:04
Speaker 1: and I bought her. Yeah, I mean that she is
35:09
Speaker 1: like a perfect um a perfect like mirror in that way,
35:17
Speaker 1: because it's like she's so cunt. It's not so porny
35:22
Speaker 1: that you like feel weird about it, but it is
35:26
Speaker 1: porny enough that like a parent can look at it
35:30
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, this kid is like horny for
35:33
Speaker 1: this doll. That's why. That's why this kid wants it. Yeah,
35:37
Speaker 1: he loves her jugs or and it's like yes, but
35:41
Speaker 1: like not because the way you're thinking about it exactly exactly.
35:46
Speaker 1: So she's she like there's a lot to like be
35:49
Speaker 1: reflected upon Lara Croft. You know, yes, and she is
35:52
Speaker 1: she is, but a vessel because like she it doesn't
35:55
Speaker 1: sound like she has much of a personality. Is that
35:59
Speaker 1: rude of me to say? I know it's not rude
36:02
Speaker 1: of you to say, but um, she is reserved, and
36:06
Speaker 1: I maybe it's just because I've spent so much time
36:09
Speaker 1: with the games. It's like she's cold. But I do
36:14
Speaker 1: think she has a personality. And that's why I like
36:17
Speaker 1: the new games are such a travesty to me, because
36:20
Speaker 1: while the gameplay is good and the graphics are good
36:23
Speaker 1: and everything, she used to have these like one liners
36:28
Speaker 1: where she would like do a somersault into a cave
36:31
Speaker 1: and like shoot a guy and be like sucks to
36:34
Speaker 1: be don't like not that, but it was like it's
36:37
Speaker 1: like she had this like May West thing going on
36:42
Speaker 1: where she was like sexy and and violent or like,
36:48
Speaker 1: oh my god, who played Austin Powers Dad Michael Caine,
36:52
Speaker 1: Michael Caine, Michael Caine. She had this like kind of
36:54
Speaker 1: like Michael Caine, like I don't know, it was like
36:57
Speaker 1: this weird um yeah, one liner are kind of like
37:01
Speaker 1: May West Samantha thing going on, but like with violence.
37:05
Speaker 1: So that's such a personality. And now I'm just imagining
37:08
Speaker 1: Samantha Jones as Laura Croft like that's that's why she's
37:13
Speaker 1: not on and just like that, she's pivoted to being
37:15
Speaker 1: a photojournalist adventurer, and I am unfortunately imagining her like
37:21
Speaker 1: like going into a cave stealing like a thousands year
37:24
Speaker 1: old artifact and going oh oh, you know kind of
37:27
Speaker 1: like likes like ceremonial dag, why don't you stab me?
37:33
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, um yeah, I I think that like honestly
37:40
Speaker 1: thinking about like her her character as an archetype or
37:43
Speaker 1: like what the the video game world that she belonged
37:48
Speaker 1: to before that, right, like Final Fantasy Street Fighter Mortal
37:51
Speaker 1: Kombat or whatever, which was as kind of Rose was
37:54
Speaker 1: saying at the beginning of this conversation, like you know,
37:57
Speaker 1: big booby girls with long hair, maybe too words, and
38:00
Speaker 1: they're wearing like basically like three pieces of fabric, you
38:04
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And that's like what you know,
38:07
Speaker 1: maybe part of like who she was in the legacy
38:10
Speaker 1: of And I feel like, I don't know, seeing her
38:13
Speaker 1: on screen or like seeing what like Angelina brought her,
38:18
Speaker 1: uh like made it into something that was like I
38:21
Speaker 1: don't know, like that we could engage with, like beyond
38:24
Speaker 1: like I guess what like the male gaze was on it,
38:27
Speaker 1: not to be like totally like you know, intellectual about it,
38:30
Speaker 1: but like it was just fun like and I think
38:32
Speaker 1: that like we can go all like a lot of
38:34
Speaker 1: people can be like, oh, it's like so girl bosster,
38:37
Speaker 1: like now that Lesha Vikander wears like ari I and
38:39
Speaker 1: has her Camella pot sponsorship or whatever, like it's like feminists,
38:45
Speaker 1: but it actually is, like it's not even about that.
38:47
Speaker 1: It's just about like the magnanimous nous that like made
38:50
Speaker 1: her character like human and three dimensional. And I don't
38:53
Speaker 1: think that really exists in a lot of video game
38:56
Speaker 1: characters prior. Yeah, and especially if you're not a gamer,
39:00
Speaker 1: you're just seeing this image of this like this girl
39:04
Speaker 1: that because previously in video games, it's like the girl
39:07
Speaker 1: was always like you know, it's like kind of like nonverbal,
39:14
Speaker 1: just like tits um. But like Angelina really like breathed
39:19
Speaker 1: life for especially people who hadn't interacted with the games
39:23
Speaker 1: and like gave it this like rounder um understanding and
39:28
Speaker 1: like brought our culture. Um yeah, because this was also
39:33
Speaker 1: I was just looking it up. Angelina won her Oscar
39:37
Speaker 1: in two thousand because um, girl interrupted came out so
39:42
Speaker 1: like she was sort of like at her peak of
39:44
Speaker 1: being a serious actress coming into this franchise, like kind
39:49
Speaker 1: of the way that we see with franchises now, we're
39:51
Speaker 1: like Marvel picks up all of these like big stars
39:54
Speaker 1: to come in and like make the like shooting lasers
39:57
Speaker 1: at each other seem a little bit more wait wady Um.
40:02
Speaker 1: So I guess Angelina was kind of, you know, the
40:04
Speaker 1: at the forefront of that movement totally, and like this
40:10
Speaker 1: movie like really had a big impact on her life
40:14
Speaker 1: because it was shot in Cambodia and that was where
40:19
Speaker 1: she started like her whole like activism career is based
40:22
Speaker 1: around Cambodia, which is like um, but for better words,
40:27
Speaker 1: I don't know, like there have been stories about her
40:29
Speaker 1: being kind of weird with the people in Cambodia, but
40:32
Speaker 1: she did that documentary, um not without my father or something.
40:38
Speaker 1: I forget what like you know about um about the
40:42
Speaker 1: children in Cambodia. But um. But yeah, it's like I
40:47
Speaker 1: think this movie like really like defined her career and
40:51
Speaker 1: her personal life in a lot of ways, which is
40:55
Speaker 1: interesting because her career, I think so many parts of
40:59
Speaker 1: her career have defined the way she's viewed, like made
41:03
Speaker 1: like more than more than I think any of the
41:06
Speaker 1: big like movie stars who and and like that's that's
41:10
Speaker 1: such a part of the conversation now that like we
41:12
Speaker 1: don't have movie stars anymore. But Angelina like went through
41:15
Speaker 1: so many different eras you know, she was like the
41:18
Speaker 1: bad girl who was like fucking Billy Bob Thornton and
41:21
Speaker 1: the limo on the way to the Gone sixty seconds
41:23
Speaker 1: from here, and then she was like the action star
41:26
Speaker 1: and the activist, and then she was Branngelina. She was
41:30
Speaker 1: you know the like home Wrecker turned like a list couple. Um,
41:35
Speaker 1: and now I mean everything is so consumed by like
41:38
Speaker 1: what's going on between her and Brad Pitt and you
41:42
Speaker 1: know the like abuse allegations. Yeah, it really is awful.
41:45
Speaker 1: But she like she has really lived so many public
41:50
Speaker 1: lives it's crazy. Yeah, it's very Elizabeth Taylor. She's got
41:54
Speaker 1: a very Taylor thing going on. What are like some
41:58
Speaker 1: of the like similarities to you, because I actually don't
42:00
Speaker 1: know that much about Elizabeth Taylor either, unfortunately, I think honestly,
42:04
Speaker 1: I mean, Elizabeth Taylor was kind of defined by her
42:08
Speaker 1: husband's and her weight, like for better or worse, Like
42:11
Speaker 1: that's kind of that was kind of the story during
42:13
Speaker 1: while she was alive. It's like Joan River, that's like
42:16
Speaker 1: what Joan Rivers would talk about when she talked about
42:19
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Taylor. But she, yeah, she has she she has
42:24
Speaker 1: all these like visual eras you could say like Elizabeth
42:27
Speaker 1: Taylor seventies like caftans, you could say Elizabeth Taylor like sixties,
42:33
Speaker 1: which is like a defined like makeup style or like
42:36
Speaker 1: earlier is like cat on a hot tin roof. And
42:40
Speaker 1: then like her later career where she's like this fabulous
42:42
Speaker 1: old woman and she's got the fragrances and and she
42:47
Speaker 1: does like little weird fun project like the flint Stones. Yes, yeah,
42:54
Speaker 1: I still like maybe like Elizabeth Taylor and Angelina Jolie,
42:58
Speaker 1: like they both have this kind of like darkness right,
43:02
Speaker 1: Like it's like it's like a darkness. It's like, um
43:06
Speaker 1: a gumption. Um, you like understand that a lot of
43:09
Speaker 1: their characters are like maybe a little a little tortured
43:13
Speaker 1: or like have been through some show or maybe a
43:15
Speaker 1: little bit of a woman on the verge of a
43:16
Speaker 1: nervous breakdown, and yet their characterization still has this like impermeability,
43:21
Speaker 1: like really unfazed, really untouchable. Like I think of Angelina
43:25
Speaker 1: Jolie as like someone who plays a lot of indestructible characters.
43:30
Speaker 1: Um yeah, and I guess yeah, I kind of now
43:33
Speaker 1: I'm I see like the kind of lineage I had
43:36
Speaker 1: a triumph over struggle. Yeah, it's like always coming out
43:39
Speaker 1: on top or always like reinventing yourself, um, despite like
43:44
Speaker 1: everyone kind of being against you or like putting you
43:47
Speaker 1: into some like weird box that you're not consenting to
43:50
Speaker 1: be in, and um coming out as like a movie
43:54
Speaker 1: star at the end of it. You know. And I
43:57
Speaker 1: also had no idea when I was like reading before
44:00
Speaker 1: the record I had no idea that she like had
44:03
Speaker 1: a psychotic break when she was like, you know, I
44:06
Speaker 1: think nineteen or twenty, and that was like part of
44:09
Speaker 1: the reason she took on the Girl Interrupted role. Did
44:13
Speaker 1: you know that rule? I had no idea. I did
44:16
Speaker 1: not know that, although I was obsessed with Girl Interrupted
44:21
Speaker 1: when it came out. I mean, I don't think I
44:24
Speaker 1: saw it in theaters because I think I was too young,
44:27
Speaker 1: but it was it was on HBO like once a
44:31
Speaker 1: day a year or two thousand and I watched it
44:35
Speaker 1: every time it was on, and I was obsessed with it,
44:38
Speaker 1: Like it's such an incredible movie. Her performance and it
44:42
Speaker 1: is insane. And I don't mean that like you know
44:46
Speaker 1: in the and I mean that both like and that
44:48
Speaker 1: she did a good job playing someone who you know
44:51
Speaker 1: is institutionalized, and also like it's she's so good. Yeah,
44:56
Speaker 1: she really is such a like Razor's Edge in that movie,
45:00
Speaker 1: because it's like at the beginning, you're she like does
45:04
Speaker 1: such a great job of like sucking you in and
45:07
Speaker 1: being like, oh, I'm like the most relatable person here
45:12
Speaker 1: that Winder and writer can be friends with. And then
45:15
Speaker 1: she has the most normal yes, and then she has
45:18
Speaker 1: these really cruel moments with like Brittany Murphy's character and
45:23
Speaker 1: she's just like everybody knows. Everybody knows that, yeah, but
45:28
Speaker 1: what they don't know is that you like Likesery Chicken. O. God,
45:34
Speaker 1: the cast of that movie, it's like literally icons only.
45:39
Speaker 1: Yeah when known Angelina, Brittany fucking Elizabeth Moss. Whoopee, Elizabeth
45:46
Speaker 1: Moss is in it. Wait, I don't remember. She's the
45:49
Speaker 1: girl who's like all burned. Oh, Elizabeth Moss has been
45:54
Speaker 1: around forever. I blot it out. She played a girl
45:58
Speaker 1: who was burned. She probably beat out close for the role,
46:01
Speaker 1: like she did. Yeah, that sounds kind of shocked. Yeah,
46:11
Speaker 1: is that your favorite Angelina performance? Rose Um, It's it's
46:18
Speaker 1: that or Mr Mrs Smith. I mean, Mr Mrs Smith
46:21
Speaker 1: is so fun, it's just perfect. It's so it's so different. Yeah,
46:26
Speaker 1: I mean Angelina's performance in in Girl in dropt It
46:30
Speaker 1: is my favorite. But I think the movie I enjoy
46:32
Speaker 1: watching the most is Mr and Mrs Smith. Like what
46:36
Speaker 1: a moment in pop culture and like celebrity gossip culture,
46:43
Speaker 1: Like whoa. Yeah. Also, I didn't realize that was a
46:46
Speaker 1: remake until like a week ago, and now it's being
46:50
Speaker 1: remade again as a t show. Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah,
46:54
Speaker 1: the whole, the whole like um that really like cemented her.
46:59
Speaker 1: Was that whole thing with breaking up Jen and Brad
47:03
Speaker 1: seem Angelina team team Jen because like I mean, you know,
47:09
Speaker 1: like Jennifer Anderson was America's sweetheart and she and Brad
47:12
Speaker 1: were the perfect couple. And then Angelina, like you know,
47:16
Speaker 1: have this reputation as this like brown haired harlot. Literally
47:22
Speaker 1: that's how media works. It's like if you have brown hair,
47:25
Speaker 1: yes you're evil. I was gonna say that you you.
47:28
Speaker 1: We cannot over emphasize how culturally important that she was
47:32
Speaker 1: a Burnett likes the many and Veronica of it all. Yes,
47:35
Speaker 1: and they were like Jen and Angelina were foils for
47:39
Speaker 1: each other, like they were the good angel and the
47:41
Speaker 1: dark Angel in the public eye. And so it was
47:43
Speaker 1: the perfect love not a love trangle, but the perfect
47:47
Speaker 1: like drama love triangle. Well also, it's like Jennifer Anderson
47:52
Speaker 1: is like friends and the craziest she ever got was
47:55
Speaker 1: like The Good Girl where she showed her tids and
47:58
Speaker 1: then Angelina, oh yeah yeah and the Good Girl with
48:05
Speaker 1: Jake Jillen home um where she like a girl is
48:09
Speaker 1: so weird. It's like she's playing like a like CVS
48:12
Speaker 1: employee or something, and it's like she like just repeated
48:16
Speaker 1: it with Cake years later, like she's like, please give
48:19
Speaker 1: me oscar, Like she tried so hard with Cake. I
48:24
Speaker 1: felt it was Honestly, I was so sad. I was
48:26
Speaker 1: like a girl, you can I believe in you, but
48:28
Speaker 1: like it's not. But it's like, yeah, she was like
48:32
Speaker 1: friends and like all these romantic comedies and then Angelina
48:35
Speaker 1: was like tomb writer girl interrupted, Like it was like
48:40
Speaker 1: literally could not be more diametrically opposed. And just like
48:45
Speaker 1: watching the movie and because you you, like all the
48:49
Speaker 1: news stories were like Brad and Angelina's like had such
48:52
Speaker 1: incredible chemistry that like it just was overwhelming, and then
48:56
Speaker 1: you watched the movie and you can see it because
49:00
Speaker 1: they really do. That movie is sold by the like
49:06
Speaker 1: truly like astronomical chemistry they have, yeah, horny horn or
49:13
Speaker 1: horny oh my god. That fight they have at the
49:16
Speaker 1: end and their house is like I mean, now it's
49:19
Speaker 1: weird looking back on it with like the context of everything,
49:22
Speaker 1: but like at the time was so hot. Is your
49:39
Speaker 1: faith like Angelina performance Lara Croft or is it do
49:42
Speaker 1: you have other fave Angelina moments in her heart story. Well, um,
49:48
Speaker 1: I do have a soft spot for salt which came
49:52
Speaker 1: Salt is so good? So where is Saltz to Pepper?
49:58
Speaker 1: Which was originally written for Tom Cruise. I just found
50:01
Speaker 1: out recently they were like, let's do the all male
50:04
Speaker 1: reboot of Yeah, no, the first one was written for
50:08
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise and then he hadn't dropped out and they
50:11
Speaker 1: were like, what about Angelina. Oh, I didn't know that.
50:15
Speaker 1: That's amazing, But in that movie are incredible and they're
50:20
Speaker 1: Ricky's n Y c there and is there a bachelorette party.
50:26
Speaker 1: There's a plot point where she has to bleach her
50:28
Speaker 1: hair blonde, like in the bathroom, I think, and she
50:31
Speaker 1: does it with like box dye and it comes out
50:33
Speaker 1: like perfectly tongued, like ice ice blonde, which is actually
50:38
Speaker 1: something that's that happens also in I don't know if
50:40
Speaker 1: you've ever seen Red Sparrow, that spy movie with general
50:45
Speaker 1: between that it actually is really good, but it's kind
50:48
Speaker 1: of the same thing where she's like going undercover and
50:50
Speaker 1: she dyes her hair blonde, and it's like she uses
50:53
Speaker 1: one box and like her hair is perfectly, perfectly Jennifer
50:57
Speaker 1: Lawrence blonde. I love her. I love any time a
51:02
Speaker 1: character has to duck into a bathroom and die there
51:04
Speaker 1: there like a Gone girl and alias like or any
51:09
Speaker 1: wig action movie. Angelina has done a lot of wig
51:12
Speaker 1: forward films and she does not have a wig face,
51:16
Speaker 1: and so it's it's really right, tell us why, tell
51:21
Speaker 1: us why. I don't know what it is, proportionally or whatever,
51:24
Speaker 1: but it's like she it's just the clock ey ist
51:27
Speaker 1: wig you've ever seen every time, and I'm sure they're
51:30
Speaker 1: beautifully made wigs, but it's like, have you ever seen
51:33
Speaker 1: um Life or something like it? No, Um, it's she
51:38
Speaker 1: plays like a morning I mean, she's really trying to
51:42
Speaker 1: go for like a Jennifer Aniston thing here, but it's
51:44
Speaker 1: like she plays like a morning news anchor who like
51:47
Speaker 1: sees that she's going to die and then she like
51:50
Speaker 1: has to live her life differently because she's been like
51:53
Speaker 1: living so bad. It's like kind of a scrooge thing. Um.
51:58
Speaker 1: But she has like a blonde, curly wig in that
52:01
Speaker 1: movie and it looks so stupid. It's so great, But
52:06
Speaker 1: probably her best one is either um girl interrupted that
52:11
Speaker 1: look great if it was a wig, I'm assuming it
52:13
Speaker 1: is or honestly, the gone in sixty seconds dreadlocks were us.
52:23
Speaker 1: Maybe she got them for real. Maybe she got them
52:25
Speaker 1: for real. You know, I've actually touched one of her wigs,
52:30
Speaker 1: which one so in in early I did a set
52:34
Speaker 1: visit to UM, the Eternals set. Oh my god, it
52:38
Speaker 1: was like the last day of filming and they brought
52:41
Speaker 1: us into UM one of the hair and makeup trailers,
52:45
Speaker 1: and Angelina's wig was just sitting there on ahead, and
52:49
Speaker 1: like the person was like, that's Angelina's wig, And I
52:52
Speaker 1: just went right over to it and touched it, because
52:54
Speaker 1: please don't do that, but I had to. She is
53:00
Speaker 1: a view on the side a drone like hit me
53:04
Speaker 1: from outside honestly starts you out with like the like
53:08
Speaker 1: claw machine thing. It was like that scene in The
53:11
Speaker 1: Matrix where they unhook YANU. Wait, what is her hair
53:15
Speaker 1: in that movie? It's blonde. It's blonde. Okay, she doesn't
53:20
Speaker 1: do it's a it's a very cool toned blonde. It was.
53:24
Speaker 1: It was definitely distracting. I honestly, the revelation that she
53:27
Speaker 1: doesn't have a face for wigs because her face is
53:30
Speaker 1: already so incredible is honestly, that's I'm never not going
53:33
Speaker 1: to think about that. And I think it affected Rosen
53:36
Speaker 1: Eye's viewing of The Eternals because when we were watching it,
53:39
Speaker 1: she's not even really in that movie that much, and
53:42
Speaker 1: we could not stop giggling because she just like every frame,
53:47
Speaker 1: it's just like she looks like the after in the
53:50
Speaker 1: before and after at the esthetician's office, like she looks
53:52
Speaker 1: like three days ago. It's like like that and just
53:56
Speaker 1: like that where they show carry her face of what
53:59
Speaker 1: it what it could look like after they do a
54:02
Speaker 1: bunch of plastic surgery on her, and like she's always
54:04
Speaker 1: just like like so like Serene just I mean, she's
54:08
Speaker 1: a little snatched. She's always been so snatched. That's why,
54:11
Speaker 1: Like when she had short hair, it looked so incredible.
54:15
Speaker 1: I mean, Macie, that short hair you give Angelina, Like
54:21
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? And I think you have
54:25
Speaker 1: like such a like singular look and like I think
54:29
Speaker 1: you have very Angelina energy. Oh my god, that's like
54:33
Speaker 1: the biggest compliment I've ever gotten. Thank you. I would agree, honestly,
54:38
Speaker 1: they're just they're they're defining features that someone like Angelina
54:41
Speaker 1: Jolie has, where like women growing up were like I
54:44
Speaker 1: want to look like Angelina, and like, I feel like
54:47
Speaker 1: my mom loved Angelina growing up despite being like a
54:49
Speaker 1: devout Christian, like she was just like mine too. Women
54:52
Speaker 1: love her, loved her, She was the ideal and so
54:55
Speaker 1: that's honestly why it was like so jarring for her
54:58
Speaker 1: to do Maleficent with like her her like born this way,
55:01
Speaker 1: like her, like her her. Yeah, that that Gaga era
55:07
Speaker 1: like and her her cheekbones were so severe and you're like,
55:10
Speaker 1: whoa like seeing like it was it was a lot.
55:13
Speaker 1: It's very but she looked incredible. She looks so cool
55:17
Speaker 1: and maleficent. She looks so fucking cool and maleficent. And
55:20
Speaker 1: that might have been a wig, but I think it
55:22
Speaker 1: worked because it was pretty much like her hair, the cheekbones,
55:27
Speaker 1: which I think, like when I saw them, it was like,
55:29
Speaker 1: aren't those just her cheekbones? But I guess they were
55:33
Speaker 1: like prosthetics, but I would have absolutely believed that that
55:37
Speaker 1: was just her face. Well, it's it is kind of
55:40
Speaker 1: like she and I mean, I don't know, I like
55:43
Speaker 1: it's weird, Like I don't want to like comment on
55:45
Speaker 1: her like body or whatever, but it is like it's
55:48
Speaker 1: like the distinct later era. It's like she's so thin
55:52
Speaker 1: and so like severe, and she doesn't really do interviews
55:57
Speaker 1: and like she's like such a like far Way figure.
56:01
Speaker 1: It's like she's really like done this weird, Like she's
56:04
Speaker 1: like a weird like Hollywood like ghoul. I don't know.
56:08
Speaker 1: So it's very brain the leg. Do you remember the leg? Yes,
56:15
Speaker 1: it's like I'm just this like thin with a leg. Yes, yes,
56:24
Speaker 1: she just kind of floats along. Yeah, with like her
56:28
Speaker 1: her like big eyes and huge tits because like the
56:31
Speaker 1: tits have always remained very large. Yeah, Oh my god,
56:35
Speaker 1: I forgot about the leg. That's that was such a
56:37
Speaker 1: genius moment. The leg was like, I think like the
56:41
Speaker 1: first time I understood meme culture because it was the
56:46
Speaker 1: only thing you could see on the internet for can
56:50
Speaker 1: you describe the leg for the Virgin? So it was
56:52
Speaker 1: it was the Oscars one year Whereina just wore this
56:55
Speaker 1: dress that were that was like truly cut up to
56:58
Speaker 1: the pubis and and it was like black and all
57:01
Speaker 1: you could see was just her leg sticking out. Well,
57:05
Speaker 1: I need to make one correction because it was kind
57:07
Speaker 1: of a normal dress with a slit. But what Angelina
57:11
Speaker 1: did was she kind of had it opened a little
57:14
Speaker 1: to the side and then had the leg like hooked
57:18
Speaker 1: out of the of the dress. Of the leg, it's
57:21
Speaker 1: very much giving like the Show Girls poster, like it's
57:26
Speaker 1: like cut out of her body. But it was that
57:31
Speaker 1: in real life. Yeah, it literally was that. That's such
57:34
Speaker 1: a good appealeg gool with a leg is so funny.
57:39
Speaker 1: That is that should be the title of this episode
57:42
Speaker 1: with a leg. It is so funny because Google googles
57:46
Speaker 1: are like so ugly, but she is ghoulish, and she's
57:49
Speaker 1: drop dead gorgeous. Like she'soolish and gorgeous. She really kind
57:56
Speaker 1: of like invented that vibe because even even some of
58:01
Speaker 1: her early performances where she's like at her you know,
58:04
Speaker 1: like hottest, she is still giving gool like girl interrupted
58:09
Speaker 1: his super googlie. I've never seen Gia but well, like,
58:14
Speaker 1: I mean literally playing a dead person. I don't even
58:21
Speaker 1: know that. I don't even what is about again, it's gay, right,
58:25
Speaker 1: She's a gay model who contracts HIV and tragically of
58:31
Speaker 1: an overdose. Yeah wait, I literally did not know that. Wow,
58:36
Speaker 1: Oh it's great. She is amazing. She is amazing. Oh
58:40
Speaker 1: my god. It was like one of her first breakout roles.
58:42
Speaker 1: So it's also like kind of a trip to see
58:45
Speaker 1: Angelina like really young and like really tearing it like
58:49
Speaker 1: it's really good. Another movie that used to be on
58:52
Speaker 1: HBO a lot, but like old after a certain point
58:54
Speaker 1: at night. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was like
58:58
Speaker 1: it was like if they had like a prestige version
59:01
Speaker 1: of like a skin Amax movie, you know. Yeah, yeah,
59:05
Speaker 1: that seems very much the vibe. I've never seen Hackers,
59:09
Speaker 1: but is great. But that image is like so saturated.
59:14
Speaker 1: She's such a you know, like perfect avatar of that
59:18
Speaker 1: time in fashion and like pop culture, like that look
59:23
Speaker 1: the short hair like very like technoi. She's so hot.
59:29
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean that's like another amazing thing
59:33
Speaker 1: about her is that she like she's such a chameleon.
59:37
Speaker 1: She was so emblematic of that late nineties moment and
59:41
Speaker 1: like that like dragon arm tattoo, like low slung pants,
59:48
Speaker 1: like short, crapped hair like wild child, and then like yeah,
59:53
Speaker 1: and then moving into the two thousands, like celeb culture
59:57
Speaker 1: like in like like such a unique way it was
1:00:02
Speaker 1: and like really a dominating way, you know, with the
1:00:06
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt stuff. Yeah, I mean they were at one
1:00:09
Speaker 1: point the most famous people in the world. Like the
1:00:13
Speaker 1: brand Jelina of it all. That was when we started
1:00:16
Speaker 1: combining people's names. I guess, yeah, oh my god, yeah
1:00:19
Speaker 1: of course. Yeah. I'm honestly like realizing when you said, like, oh,
1:00:23
Speaker 1: she doesn't really do interviews, I kind of forgot that
1:00:25
Speaker 1: she does. Like she's very private, and I think that
1:00:27
Speaker 1: that like she's been able to maintain her allure and
1:00:30
Speaker 1: like her celebrity stature because of that. Like I think,
1:00:34
Speaker 1: you know, when we talk about how there are no
1:00:36
Speaker 1: movie stars anymore and how there aren't we were honestly
1:00:39
Speaker 1: just saying there are no Angelina Jolies anymore, right, right,
1:00:43
Speaker 1: but if there are any Angelina Jolies for this generation,
1:00:45
Speaker 1: there on Instagram and Angelina Jolie. I mean, I don't
1:00:48
Speaker 1: know if she's on Instagram, but she's like not on Instagram,
1:00:51
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, Yeah, there's no like
1:00:54
Speaker 1: disillusionment around celebrities these days, or there's so much disillusionment
1:00:59
Speaker 1: around celebrities. It was all about them of her, Yeah, yeah,
1:01:03
Speaker 1: it was with her. It was all about secrets. Like
1:01:05
Speaker 1: in the beginning, like with the like the crazy wild
1:01:09
Speaker 1: child stuff, It's like what drugs that she on? Who
1:01:11
Speaker 1: was she fucking blah blah blaha, and then the the
1:01:13
Speaker 1: Brad stuff. It was like, oh my god, like how
1:01:16
Speaker 1: did this happen? This behind the scenes like adultery and
1:01:20
Speaker 1: then yeah, and yeah, she's just like very cloaked in mystery.
1:01:25
Speaker 1: She she's an enigma wrapped in a mystery wrapped and
1:01:32
Speaker 1: I don't know something she is another synonym, she's Dracula
1:01:36
Speaker 1: kind of she is. Has she ever played a vampire?
1:01:39
Speaker 1: Because she really should? She should. I don't know. I
1:01:44
Speaker 1: mean I just I remember, like not even not even
1:01:47
Speaker 1: like the movie itself, but when they first revealed her
1:01:50
Speaker 1: look from a leficit like that was a moment, and yeah,
1:01:55
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, this is right, this is right. Yeah, completely, Well,
1:02:00
Speaker 1: Maleficent is kind of a vampire. I wonder what her
1:02:03
Speaker 1: um I'm trying to figure I'm trying to remember what
1:02:06
Speaker 1: her exact character like characteristics were, and when she played
1:02:09
Speaker 1: Bao Wolf's mom, since she was like she was like
1:02:17
Speaker 1: booby mom monster like swamp swamp monster mom. I can't
1:02:21
Speaker 1: even remember what do you remember anything from that movie? Yeah?
1:02:24
Speaker 1: I mean that movie was That movie was so weird
1:02:26
Speaker 1: because it was like all c g I. It was
1:02:29
Speaker 1: like adult polar expressed, but like, I don't I'm not
1:02:35
Speaker 1: super familiar with the plot of Bao Wolf, but I
1:02:37
Speaker 1: know that he like has to It's like a it's
1:02:40
Speaker 1: like was it Shakespeare. It's like an old like like
1:02:47
Speaker 1: nurse something. It's it's one of the oldest texts in
1:02:51
Speaker 1: the literary canon. But it's like this this monster named Grendel,
1:02:55
Speaker 1: and she's like, yeah, I remember, he has to like
1:02:59
Speaker 1: go down into a cave and he's like praying to
1:03:01
Speaker 1: this like golden pool of water, and all of a sudden,
1:03:04
Speaker 1: like she comes out nude and honestly looks more like
1:03:07
Speaker 1: tomb righter than ever because she's like this like kind
1:03:10
Speaker 1: of braid and she's c G I and um, and
1:03:14
Speaker 1: she's got heels and she's just like, I'm just looking
1:03:17
Speaker 1: at pictures now she's wearing heels. It's wild. It's so weird. Yeah,
1:03:22
Speaker 1: and then she's just like Hornie talking to the sun.
1:03:25
Speaker 1: And then I think kind of dissolves or turns into
1:03:28
Speaker 1: like a crazy looking monster. So I can't remember weird movie.
1:03:33
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll maybe I'll need to go watch it. Yeah,
1:03:36
Speaker 1: that really didn't stand up. It really was that she's
1:03:41
Speaker 1: she was living in the untranned Valley exactly exactly. That
1:03:48
Speaker 1: should have been an action figure. Honestly, it's remarkable that
1:03:51
Speaker 1: she hasn't played trans up into this point. But I
1:03:54
Speaker 1: mean some of it feels like some of her characters
1:03:56
Speaker 1: kind of are still trans Cannon, almost all of them.
1:04:00
Speaker 1: I would, you know, she is the Deeva doll herself.
1:04:05
Speaker 1: Like I think Angelina is like a little She's one
1:04:08
Speaker 1: of the girls in a way. I mean, yeah, you
1:04:10
Speaker 1: think about like like the song Vogue and they're talking
1:04:14
Speaker 1: about like Bettie Davis, we love you, and it's like
1:04:17
Speaker 1: if you just like kind of shift that idea onto
1:04:21
Speaker 1: modern times, It's like she's definitely like the one. It's
1:04:25
Speaker 1: like they're not saying like I mean, maybe some people
1:04:29
Speaker 1: are saying, like Susan so Randon, we love you, Like
1:04:33
Speaker 1: it's not love, Yeah, totally, It's like it's I love
1:04:38
Speaker 1: Susan so Randon, but it's not quite the same thing.
1:04:41
Speaker 1: You know. She's giving this like glam mysterious bitch thing
1:04:45
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, sexy demon vibes, Yeah yeah, slide
1:04:59
Speaker 1: and charge ms like like a virgin. Tell us, what's
1:05:02
Speaker 1: your favorite Angelina Jolie role? What's your favorite video game?
1:05:08
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