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- 0:00Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome
- 0:27Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always
- 0:31Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. No first question today, have
- 0:35Speaker 1: you ever been to like a weird themed town? You
- 0:38Speaker 1: know how some small towns have like they're they're big
- 0:41Speaker 1: specific events like we're the best funnel cake place, stuff
- 0:44Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, there was one time I went to
- 0:46Speaker 1: this weird town in the seaside of England and they
- 0:50Speaker 1: had everyone was really nice for a while, but then
- 0:52Speaker 1: they lured me into this giant wicker contraption and set
- 0:56Speaker 1: it on fire and I barely escaped with my life.
- 0:59Speaker 1: Does that country that didn't happen to me? Um? Now,
- 1:05Speaker 1: I don't know the themes town, maybe like a Mayfair
- 1:08Speaker 1: type situation, like some sort of old timey recreation thing,
- 1:12Speaker 1: or what do we tell like Helen Georgia. Maybe I've
- 1:14Speaker 1: been to Helen Georgia. It looks like a tiny German village.
- 1:18Speaker 1: It does, and it's it's a well worth the trip
- 1:21Speaker 1: if the weather is nice and you're out that way. Oh,
- 1:24Speaker 1: I'm Ben. There's our super producer Casey Pegrove and our
- 1:27Speaker 1: guest producer Andrew Howards. When I think of theme towns,
- 1:31Speaker 1: I tend to think of some of the same stuff
- 1:33Speaker 1: you mentioned, all like a big holiday celebration that people
- 1:37Speaker 1: have specific to that town. But then it could also
- 1:41Speaker 1: just be a theme that they're really into. Like let's
- 1:44Speaker 1: say I'm just making up an example here. Let's say
- 1:47Speaker 1: that several centuries ago town was saved by like a
- 1:52Speaker 1: little drummer boy, and you go there centuries later and
- 1:55Speaker 1: you see all these statues of little drummer boys, and
- 1:58Speaker 1: then things are named after the drummer, like it's Little
- 2:01Speaker 1: Drummer Boy Avenue or Little Drummer Boy Lane. Uh. Today's
- 2:06Speaker 1: episode is kind of in that same vein. But we're
- 2:10Speaker 1: knocking out two missions with one stone today because my friends,
- 2:15Speaker 1: I think we are finally back on our state by
- 2:18Speaker 1: state episode. Horse. Oh my goodness, Ben, that's exciting. By
- 2:22Speaker 1: the way, I'm Noel, and yeah, I just wanted to
- 2:24Speaker 1: point out a few really quick before we hop right
- 2:26Speaker 1: into today's theme town. Uh. There are lots of them.
- 2:29Speaker 1: It's a thing like Pella, Iowa, for example, is all
- 2:32Speaker 1: about the Tulip Time Festival, and Mount Airy, North Carolina
- 2:37Speaker 1: is basically a recreation of the Andy Griffith Show with
- 2:41Speaker 1: a Mayburry courthouse you can visit and and and all
- 2:44Speaker 1: that stuff. And then New Glaris, Wisconsin is themed after
- 2:49Speaker 1: like Switzerland. It's sort of like in the same way
- 2:51Speaker 1: that Helen is a small German village, New Glaris is
- 2:55Speaker 1: a tiny Swiss village, Ben, do you know about any
- 2:57Speaker 1: other weird towns with themes? I'm so glad you asked. Yeah,
- 3:01Speaker 1: shout out to lily Dale, New York, which is just
- 3:04Speaker 1: home to so many psychics and outsiders go to lily
- 3:09Speaker 1: Dell just to hang out with the psychics. And of
- 3:11Speaker 1: course the villages in Florida. Uh, no one living there
- 3:16Speaker 1: could be under nineteen and at least one member of
- 3:20Speaker 1: every house has to be over fifty five. But perhaps
- 3:24Speaker 1: one of the weirdest ones knowl is uh Thames Town, China,
- 3:28Speaker 1: which is located in song Jiang. It is a simulated
- 3:32Speaker 1: British city with everything amazing. Do they have fish and chips?
- 3:37Speaker 1: They have fish and choke certain newspaper. Well, now, Ben,
- 3:41Speaker 1: while all those towns sound amazing, we're not talking about
- 3:44Speaker 1: any of those towns today. I just wanted to establish
- 3:46Speaker 1: a legacy of themes towns. Today's town definitely fits amongst
- 3:50Speaker 1: those ranks, but has a much more Shelly say, amphibious theme. Yes,
- 3:56Speaker 1: that's correct. If you are driving through a tiny town
- 4:01Speaker 1: called Willomantic over in eastern Connecticut, you might notice things
- 4:06Speaker 1: are getting a little froggy in more ways than one.
- 4:09Speaker 1: There are lots of local businesses that are named after frogs.
- 4:12Speaker 1: You'll see frogs on logos, You'll see different statues of
- 4:16Speaker 1: frogs and main street and even the local graph heads.
- 4:20Speaker 1: Graffiti artists are spraying frogs around on the you know,
- 4:24Speaker 1: the local building walls. It's weird because there's a burrow
- 4:29Speaker 1: of Willimantic called Wyndham, and if you go to Wyndham
- 4:34Speaker 1: you will see this frog stuff turned up even further
- 4:37Speaker 1: turned Like if Willomantic main Street is an eight, windhom
- 4:40Speaker 1: is apparently and eleven. That's right. I mean you literally
- 4:45Speaker 1: have the city center featuring a bridge that's uh, that's
- 4:50Speaker 1: surrounded by these columns, each of which has an eleven
- 4:53Speaker 1: foot tall frog statue that's sort of gazing off into
- 4:58Speaker 1: the middle distance. So you might ask yourself why all
- 5:01Speaker 1: the frogs? Well, we're here to tell you. The New
- 5:03Speaker 1: York Times has a fabulous profile of exactly why all
- 5:06Speaker 1: the frogs? In an article from August nineteen six by
- 5:11Speaker 1: Robert A. Hamilton's, the title of which is the Frogs
- 5:14Speaker 1: and Spools of Wyndham Bridge, and he's referring to that
- 5:18Speaker 1: pretty odd Bridge situation that we just described. The story,
- 5:22Speaker 1: as it turns out, begins on June of seventeen fifty four,
- 5:26Speaker 1: when the residents of Wyndham were awakened by a bit
- 5:29Speaker 1: of a tumult, a bit of a hubbub in the
- 5:33Speaker 1: night um and all of them rushed from their homes
- 5:37Speaker 1: to see what all the fuss was about. Some of
- 5:39Speaker 1: them were really freaked out, running around screaming for their lives.
- 5:42Speaker 1: Even some were even armed and firing their weapons into
- 5:46Speaker 1: the night, which seems really dangerous with those other people around, ben,
- 5:50Speaker 1: what's going on? Why are they freaking out like this? Well,
- 5:54Speaker 1: they were freaking out because they thought it was yet
- 5:57Speaker 1: a another attack from either French or Native American forces,
- 6:01Speaker 1: which was something very much in the cards in the
- 6:03Speaker 1: seventeen fifties. But it turned out when dawn came, they
- 6:08Speaker 1: discovered the noise was not created by humans at all,
- 6:11Speaker 1: but instead by bull frogs fighting over the last dregs
- 6:15Speaker 1: of water that were in this pond that dried up
- 6:18Speaker 1: over the droughts, so awkward, little awkward. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
- 6:24Speaker 1: it's not not exactly the proudest moment maybe, but Wyndham
- 6:28Speaker 1: took it and ran with it. Because sure other towns
- 6:32Speaker 1: in the area had their fun, you know, in pubs,
- 6:35Speaker 1: making light of the people who were terrified of bull
- 6:39Speaker 1: frogs in Wyndham. But Wyndham did something really interesting. They
- 6:44Speaker 1: doubled down. They didn't bury this story. They decided to
- 6:49Speaker 1: lean into it and they said, look, we're gonna put
- 6:52Speaker 1: the frog on the town seal. We're gonna go all
- 6:55Speaker 1: in on this frog thing. And that's been the case
- 6:58Speaker 1: ever since. But if if you look the history, uh,
- 7:01Speaker 1: they were not being necessarily alarmist. They weren't flying off
- 7:06Speaker 1: the handle. If you were someone living in Wyndham in
- 7:10Speaker 1: the decades leading up to this time, you would have
- 7:13Speaker 1: freaked out too, because you would have had some reasonable
- 7:15Speaker 1: assumptions that people were coming to kill you, right, absolutely,
- 7:18Speaker 1: not only people, but like just life, like the the
- 7:22Speaker 1: the elements, you know, the Nate, the gods. Perhaps it
- 7:26Speaker 1: seemed as though, um, this tiny, tiny town population of
- 7:30Speaker 1: only a thousand was really kind of in some ways cursed.
- 7:37Speaker 1: It would seem in the summer of seventeen fifty four. Uh,
- 7:41Speaker 1: this would have been considered a frontier town. But like
- 7:43Speaker 1: you said, been the French and Indian War um had
- 7:46Speaker 1: broken out in May of that year. Uh, and that
- 7:49Speaker 1: was really threatening these these homesteaders. And also a drought
- 7:54Speaker 1: was threatening the crops that they had worked so hard
- 7:57Speaker 1: to cultivate. And Connecticut resident in general, we're living in
- 8:01Speaker 1: a constant state of anxiety as this French and Indian
- 8:06Speaker 1: War kind of really stirred things up. You know, they
- 8:09Speaker 1: were constantly living in fear of attacks, you know, from
- 8:12Speaker 1: the tree line surrounding their homesteads, and really kind of
- 8:16Speaker 1: that paranoia was certainly part of everyday life. But Wyndom
- 8:20Speaker 1: had it even worse because they were threatened by a
- 8:23Speaker 1: lot of natural phenomena as well that kind of doubled
- 8:26Speaker 1: their anxiety and their sort of fear of absolute annihilation. Yes,
- 8:33Speaker 1: we're talking about the ever present threat of disease, drought.
- 8:39Speaker 1: You know, these are agricultural communities, so people are at
- 8:42Speaker 1: the mercy of the weather. And of course, uh, different
- 8:46Speaker 1: contingents of people fighting in the French and Indian War
- 8:50Speaker 1: could easily overwhelmed this small town. And there were so
- 8:54Speaker 1: many rumors that were circulating in the area. The game
- 8:57Speaker 1: of telephone was in full swing. You might not be
- 9:01Speaker 1: able to prove that there were atrocities just up the way,
- 9:05Speaker 1: but you couldn't prove that they weren't happening either. So
- 9:09Speaker 1: this is a really fearful time, kind of like the
- 9:12Speaker 1: residents of the Tune from our Mad gas Er episode.
- 9:15Speaker 1: We're also terrified about ongoing conflicts or the horrors of war,
- 9:22Speaker 1: and so all of this, all of this is happening.
- 9:26Speaker 1: If you're the average resident of Wyndham, you are at
- 9:29Speaker 1: least a couple of times a day thinking is this
- 9:32Speaker 1: going to be the day that someone attacks our our
- 9:36Speaker 1: little community. So it's not a surprise that in the
- 9:39Speaker 1: dark of night June seventeen fifty four, they start hearing
- 9:44Speaker 1: a ruckus and a rumble, louder and louder and louder.
- 9:49Speaker 1: Who is it? They're thinking, who is coming to kill us?
- 9:53Speaker 1: Because this happens like really late, shortly after midnight, and
- 9:56Speaker 1: at first people had no idea what it could be.
- 10:00Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people have different guests too.
- 10:07Speaker 1: So according to the reports that we've read, the first
- 10:11Speaker 1: person to hear the noise was a servant of a
- 10:15Speaker 1: local parson, which I believe just means like a preacher,
- 10:18Speaker 1: right like in Frosty the Snowman, And pretend isn't that
- 10:22Speaker 1: he is Parson Brown? Remember that I think that means
- 10:25Speaker 1: the preacher anyway. Um. This guy's name was pomp and
- 10:28Speaker 1: he was the first to hear the noise when he
- 10:31Speaker 1: was coming home around midnight after hanging out with a
- 10:35Speaker 1: with a lady lady friend of his at a nearby farmhouse,
- 10:38Speaker 1: and he walked down the street when he neared the
- 10:41Speaker 1: part of the town called Wyndham Green. Um, he began
- 10:45Speaker 1: to hear this really bizarre noise that absolutely terrified him,
- 10:49Speaker 1: and it was echoing no, not cool, not cool. Well,
- 10:54Speaker 1: I would be freaked out too. The bull frogs make
- 10:56Speaker 1: really scary sounds. Um. But it seemed to come from
- 10:59Speaker 1: everywhere all at once, so this almost could have had
- 11:02Speaker 1: the feeling of some sort of like supernatural event too,
- 11:05Speaker 1: especially in the dark of night. Um. He ran home
- 11:09Speaker 1: and awakened his master, Parson White, who then you know,
- 11:13Speaker 1: doubled down on what he heard as well and sounded
- 11:16Speaker 1: the alarm, waking up everybody nearby who hadn't already been
- 11:20Speaker 1: awakened by the sound and the screaming of of the servant,
- 11:24Speaker 1: and the noise continued to, you know, just kind of
- 11:27Speaker 1: increase at this fever pitch, and many folks thought that
- 11:32Speaker 1: it was some sort of Native American chant, of some
- 11:35Speaker 1: sort a war cry perhaps, and that they were coming
- 11:38Speaker 1: to descend upon them. They would all be dead by dawn. Yeah,
- 11:43Speaker 1: this pomp and circumstance quickly got out of control. Other
- 11:49Speaker 1: people said, no, this isn't a spell. Uh, these are
- 11:54Speaker 1: the war whoops. These are actually the war cries of
- 11:59Speaker 1: all called me Native American forces. And then other people said, no, no,
- 12:05Speaker 1: I know a little bit about the native populations. They're
- 12:08Speaker 1: actually just yelling gin and rum. It's still bad because
- 12:12Speaker 1: they're coming for us. And then some maybe more religious
- 12:15Speaker 1: folks thought that what they were hearing what appeared to
- 12:18Speaker 1: sound like this cacophonous roars, were instead trumpets of the
- 12:23Speaker 1: biblical judgment day. But one guy stepped in and said, hey,
- 12:27Speaker 1: it can't really be the day of Judgment because you know,
- 12:30Speaker 1: it's like just after midnight, it's not even dawn. Uh.
- 12:34Speaker 1: Some people thought that they could hear noises being called
- 12:38Speaker 1: out in this pandemonium, especially two of the town's military leaders,
- 12:43Speaker 1: Colonel Dyer and elder Kin, And luckily, unluckily for the town,
- 12:48Speaker 1: Dire and Elderkin were actually you know, they were they
- 12:52Speaker 1: were in the community at the time. So their children
- 12:56Speaker 1: just crying, you know, where are my parents. Their men
- 12:58Speaker 1: who are like grabbing all the weapons they can. There
- 13:01Speaker 1: are women who are shrieking all the while this mournful
- 13:04Speaker 1: sound is creating a end of Days kind of soundtrack.
- 13:09Speaker 1: And then you know, this army kind of gets together
- 13:12Speaker 1: on the green and people have whatever they could grab, pitchforks, knives,
- 13:16Speaker 1: old swords, a few had guns. Uh. And then this
- 13:20Speaker 1: is when people started calling for Colonel Dyer and elder
- 13:24Speaker 1: Kin to take charge. Basically, right, that's exactly right. And
- 13:29Speaker 1: John Adams had some things to say about one of
- 13:32Speaker 1: these folks, this lawyer by the name of Elaphilett Dire,
- 13:35Speaker 1: who referred to as long winded and tedious but an honest,
- 13:40Speaker 1: worthy man. Uh. And he was the leader of the
- 13:43Speaker 1: town's militia. Then the militia sprung into action. Um. Then
- 13:47Speaker 1: you had this guy, Jedediah Elderkin, who was another lawyer,
- 13:51Speaker 1: presumably also long winded and tedious but also hopefully honest
- 13:56Speaker 1: and we're worthy. But we don't know that for a fact,
- 13:57Speaker 1: as John Adams did not opine on Jedediah Elderkin. I
- 14:02Speaker 1: love that name, by the way, Jedediah. It's hard to
- 14:04Speaker 1: say a lot of d sounds in this dude's name.
- 14:06Speaker 1: So he, along with Dire, were apparently planning to colonize
- 14:11Speaker 1: the Susquehanna Valley. By the way, Jedediah Elderkin and Dire
- 14:18Speaker 1: had actually planned to extend their colony into the Susquehanna Valley,
- 14:23Speaker 1: but the residents of Wyndham, who referred to themselves as
- 14:26Speaker 1: window mites, which I love, decided this was a bad
- 14:28Speaker 1: idea because they thought it would anger in their minds.
- 14:32Speaker 1: The Native Americans that lived around this area missed opportunity
- 14:37Speaker 1: to call themselves the windhammer or the wind jammers. Perhaps
- 14:42Speaker 1: we'll work on that, um, But it makes sense they
- 14:44Speaker 1: were already living in fear of these attacks. They didn't
- 14:46Speaker 1: want to a further upset the apple cart. So we're
- 14:50Speaker 1: back to, you know, the night of the quote unquote attack, UM,
- 14:53Speaker 1: and these folks are understandably freaked out there hearing things
- 14:57Speaker 1: they're they're you know, playing into the sounds that they're hearing.
- 15:00Speaker 1: I mean, your ears can absolutely play tricks on you,
- 15:02Speaker 1: especially when your mind is unsettled in such a way.
- 15:05Speaker 1: So they're waiting around, hiding, you know, like you said, Ben,
- 15:08Speaker 1: presumably arming themselves with whatever they had around um and waiting,
- 15:13Speaker 1: you know, for what they believed was going to be
- 15:17Speaker 1: a painful death. And they were firing into the darkness
- 15:22Speaker 1: throughout most of the night, those who had muskets, and
- 15:25Speaker 1: they noticed that as dawn approached, the sounds began to
- 15:30Speaker 1: die and they began to fade out. Uh. And then
- 15:34Speaker 1: eventually a group of brave, courageous men formed a scouting
- 15:39Speaker 1: party and they ventured out to the place where the
- 15:43Speaker 1: sound came from, as near as they could tell. And
- 15:45Speaker 1: that's when they saw, not very far away at all,
- 15:48Speaker 1: about a hundred yards into the woods, local pond that
- 15:52Speaker 1: had almost dried up. And this is this is kind
- 15:56Speaker 1: of a sad part. Across the bed of the dry pond,
- 16:00Speaker 1: they found dozens and dozens of dead bullfrogs. The story grew.
- 16:05Speaker 1: You'll hear some accounts say hundreds of dead bull frogs,
- 16:08Speaker 1: and then swore people say thousands. Uh. But anyway, it
- 16:12Speaker 1: was a lot of frogs, and the scouting party realized
- 16:15Speaker 1: it was these frogs fighting, you know, for the last
- 16:19Speaker 1: bits of water in the pond that had generated this
- 16:22Speaker 1: noise that scared everyone so and interesting fun fact, the
- 16:27Speaker 1: pond belonged to dire And so what they realized was
- 16:32Speaker 1: what the I'm sticking with wind hammers. What the wind
- 16:35Speaker 1: hammers had heard were the first the battle cries and
- 16:40Speaker 1: then later the death knells of these poor thirsty bull frogs.
- 16:47Speaker 1: That was the whole, the whole thing. And oh, the
- 16:50Speaker 1: scouting party was just three guys. How did the townspeople
- 16:53Speaker 1: take it when they heard about this, Well, let's just
- 16:57Speaker 1: say they felt a little little bit silly. I don't
- 17:01Speaker 1: want to impart my own interpretations too much on them,
- 17:04Speaker 1: but there there is a sense of kind of humiliation,
- 17:08Speaker 1: of of feeling as though they overreacted. Again, this is
- 17:12Speaker 1: from from various reports. We've got some journal entries. Actually
- 17:15Speaker 1: we're gonna read in just a second. They'll give you
- 17:17Speaker 1: a little bit more of a sense of how this
- 17:19Speaker 1: was received. Uh. But um, they they weren't had somewhere angry.
- 17:24Speaker 1: Some decided to make light of the situation. That's probably
- 17:28Speaker 1: what I would have done. And that's ultimately it seems
- 17:30Speaker 1: like the direction they chose to go as a as
- 17:33Speaker 1: a town. Yeah, some you know, just we're like, we're
- 17:37Speaker 1: never gonna talk about this again. Uh. And it didn't.
- 17:39Speaker 1: You know, this town was so small again, only a
- 17:41Speaker 1: thousand residents. They didn't even have their own newspaper. But
- 17:45Speaker 1: word of mouth is a thing in and of itself,
- 17:48Speaker 1: especially around this time, you know, when that was one
- 17:50Speaker 1: of the only ways for stories like this to spread
- 17:52Speaker 1: and kind of a frontier situation. Um. And the story
- 17:55Speaker 1: did spread, and the wind Hammy's became kind of a
- 17:59Speaker 1: laughing stuff. Yeah, it's something that people joked a lot about.
- 18:04Speaker 1: And remember, as we said, Elderkin and I are both lawyers,
- 18:08Speaker 1: So lawyers in particular in this region of the Northeast
- 18:13Speaker 1: start to harass their colleagues with this story. You know, like, hey,
- 18:17Speaker 1: watch out, dire door. I checked. There aren't new frogs
- 18:21Speaker 1: in there. Um. And people have more healthy approach to
- 18:24Speaker 1: like some folks just threw up their hands and laughed
- 18:27Speaker 1: at it. We know that Reverend Styles of Woodstock wrote
- 18:32Speaker 1: about this to his nephew who was a law student,
- 18:35Speaker 1: and just an excerpt of the letter Here he says,
- 18:40Speaker 1: if the late tragical tidings of Windham deserve credit as
- 18:43Speaker 1: doubtless they do, it would then concern the gentlemen of
- 18:46Speaker 1: your Jurisprutian, which is a word I didn't know as
- 18:48Speaker 1: a thing, order to be fortified against the dreadful crooks
- 18:52Speaker 1: Torrian legiance, allegiance terrible is the very wreck of matter
- 18:56Speaker 1: and the crash of worlds. Antiquity relates that the elephant
- 18:59Speaker 1: fee is the mouse. A Hebrew trembles at the prowing
- 19:02Speaker 1: of the cock, but pre WinCE is it that the
- 19:04Speaker 1: croaking of a buffalo should so sad rise a lawyer,
- 19:09Speaker 1: bell shadow rise, Holy cow. I'm sorry, Ben, I'm gonna
- 19:13Speaker 1: need to unpack this. We've got some new words. There's
- 19:16Speaker 1: some new terms. So if the late tragical tidings from
- 19:20Speaker 1: Wyndom deserve credit as doubt as they do, it will
- 19:23Speaker 1: then concern the gentleman of your juris Prussian, order to
- 19:27Speaker 1: be fortified against the dreadful crooks of tarian legions. Okay,
- 19:32Speaker 1: so they're basically just mocking them and and sort of
- 19:35Speaker 1: acting as though frogs are some sort of terrifying force.
- 19:38Speaker 1: Was that kind of the idea Yeah, they're they're saying, Um,
- 19:44Speaker 1: it's funny because it's it's like a fake warning to
- 19:49Speaker 1: his nephew, like, Hey, you know you're going to be
- 19:52Speaker 1: a lawyer now, so get ready for frogs watch out
- 19:56Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, I gotta Ben, I'm going to aren't
- 20:00Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to incorporate belshaz eyes into
- 20:04Speaker 1: the regular conversation. And there's one more little snippet here
- 20:06Speaker 1: at the bottom, dire fuli Allah made of these audacious,
- 20:10Speaker 1: long winded croakers things unattempted yet in prosal rhyme. What
- 20:15Speaker 1: does the word Torrian mean here? Ben Torrian terrors in
- 20:19Speaker 1: chimeras dire Obviously that's referenced to die or the lawyer
- 20:23Speaker 1: and the militia leader. But what we've we've heard Torannian
- 20:27Speaker 1: is that the reference to the frogs genus or something
- 20:30Speaker 1: like that. It's an interesting question because it's weird because
- 20:34Speaker 1: he spells it Torreon and the first paragraph, and then
- 20:38Speaker 1: Rannion in the second, So maybe some of that is
- 20:42Speaker 1: just his handwriting. I was always under the impression that
- 20:47Speaker 1: Torrian meant things relating to the sign of right. Yeah,
- 20:52Speaker 1: I just googled it and got the same don't see
- 20:54Speaker 1: any froggy connections there at all. Um, well, any etymological
- 20:59Speaker 1: experts out there, let us know what you think or
- 21:02Speaker 1: if this is something that's come up before. Obviously, one
- 21:05Speaker 1: last sentence here, second time Trannian terrors and chimeras dire
- 21:10Speaker 1: I hope, sir, from the Dire Full now that's the
- 21:13Speaker 1: Now they're making fun of dire and making his name
- 21:16Speaker 1: into an adjective, right, and the from the dire Full
- 21:19Speaker 1: reports from the frog Pond you'll gain some instruction as
- 21:23Speaker 1: well as from the report of my Lord Cook. So
- 21:27Speaker 1: he's like the fun uncle. That's the That's what this
- 21:30Speaker 1: letter is is meant to convey to his nephews, like
- 21:34Speaker 1: frogs lawyers, you're gonna be one of those, watch out, bro.
- 21:38Speaker 1: But instead he used Belle shazarries, which I think we
- 21:42Speaker 1: both love. I hope you love it too. And so
- 21:45Speaker 1: as this, as this continues, we should mention the only
- 21:49Speaker 1: fatalities that night were frogs, which is regrettable, but still
- 21:53Speaker 1: nobody in the town was even injured, I believe, but
- 21:56Speaker 1: but not like due to stomping from townspeople. It was
- 21:59Speaker 1: literally because they were thirsty, right, and they're malnourished in
- 22:02Speaker 1: some way right, Yeah, exactly, it's because they couldn't survive
- 22:06Speaker 1: the drought. Uh So, as the years go on, and
- 22:10Speaker 1: I think partially because nobody was seriously injured, future generations
- 22:15Speaker 1: talk about these jokes. They circulate in the area, and
- 22:19Speaker 1: eventually the wind to Mikes, the winds Hammers get kind
- 22:24Speaker 1: of proud of this. You know, this is before HP Lovecraft,
- 22:28Speaker 1: so the association of small New England towns with amphibians
- 22:33Speaker 1: is still not seen as a sinister thing. Uh And
- 22:37Speaker 1: now it's like it's immortalized and not just letters but
- 22:40Speaker 1: a lot of poems and songs from the times. Uh
- 22:44Speaker 1: and we we have a few here. We know that
- 22:47Speaker 1: the story even went all the way across the pond
- 22:49Speaker 1: to Europe and people were talking about that's right. It
- 22:53Speaker 1: really became Yeah, I don't know, like good natured ribbing,
- 22:58Speaker 1: good natured ribbety that for sure. I'm sorry, But bull
- 23:02Speaker 1: frogs crow bull frogs do croak and ribboning would have
- 23:05Speaker 1: been an easier sound to pick out, I think in
- 23:07Speaker 1: the night, whereas you know, croak and a chorus, like
- 23:10Speaker 1: a comphony of croaks that kind of coalesced together into
- 23:13Speaker 1: this like huge drone. A lot less a lot more
- 23:18Speaker 1: sinister rather than just a few errant ribbts, Right, But
- 23:21Speaker 1: it did kind of become sort of a pop cultural phenomenon. Right.
- 23:25Speaker 1: There were songs and poems that were, you know, committed
- 23:28Speaker 1: to print and circulated in the nineteenth century. One example,
- 23:32Speaker 1: in eighteen fifty one, UM was the Ballad of the
- 23:36Speaker 1: Bull Frog Fight, A ballad of the olden time, um,
- 23:39Speaker 1: And it starts off with a dire, full story, Must
- 23:42Speaker 1: I tell should I at length relate at once a
- 23:45Speaker 1: luckless town? Befell in wooden nutmeg state? I guess that's
- 23:51Speaker 1: the reference to Connecticut, ben, I guess, so yeah. I
- 23:53Speaker 1: always thought it was the Constitution. Maybe maybe it's the
- 23:57Speaker 1: wooden nutmegs. They so, yeah, you're you're right. There were
- 24:01Speaker 1: we know there were at least two other ballads that
- 24:04Speaker 1: were written about what came to be called the Great
- 24:06Speaker 1: Windham Frog Fight. There was an operetta, which I thought
- 24:10Speaker 1: was awesome, called the Frogs of Old Windham from a
- 24:14Speaker 1: tight uh. And then after the American Revolution occurred, the
- 24:19Speaker 1: Windham Bank even started issuing bank notes with an image
- 24:23Speaker 1: of a frog standing over the body of another frog.
- 24:26Speaker 1: Of course, long time listeners you'll recall that during this
- 24:31Speaker 1: period in history, it was a lot easier for banks
- 24:33Speaker 1: to just decide they were going to make their own
- 24:35Speaker 1: bank notes essentially coupons, right, exactly right, But no, what
- 24:40Speaker 1: about Windham to date? Yeah, we sort of set the
- 24:43Speaker 1: stage without a little bit with their you know, froggy
- 24:46Speaker 1: regalia and these giant sculptures on top of those pillars,
- 24:51Speaker 1: you know, on either side of that bridge. But the
- 24:54Speaker 1: what we would refer to as the Willamantic section of
- 24:57Speaker 1: Windham um became ultimate a ly a factory town that
- 25:01Speaker 1: made goods, you know, like silk and cotton thread, and
- 25:06Speaker 1: it became quite a boomtown as the American Thread Company
- 25:09Speaker 1: located its headquarters on the banks of the Willimantic River,
- 25:13Speaker 1: and that became Connecticut's largest employer. Connecticut being a relatively
- 25:17Speaker 1: small state and and this being a really incredibly small town.
- 25:21Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Um. So today you do have those
- 25:24Speaker 1: eleven foot frogs on these giant spools of thread that
- 25:29Speaker 1: kind of combine the two things the town is most
- 25:32Speaker 1: known for. And they actually you know, are set up
- 25:35Speaker 1: almost to look like you know, froggy centurions guarding the
- 25:39Speaker 1: thread City crossing or this frog bridge. Yeah, and you
- 25:45Speaker 1: can see pictures of these frog sculptures pretty easily online.
- 25:50Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. They weird me out just a
- 25:53Speaker 1: little bit because the frog's eyes are these large, almost
- 25:58Speaker 1: copperesque looking spheres that are blank, and they've got some
- 26:02Speaker 1: curly cue stylization on them. Uh, it looks like it
- 26:07Speaker 1: looks kind of sci fi, like from an alien civilization.
- 26:10Speaker 1: But you can definitely go see these. And if you
- 26:14Speaker 1: want to see the site of the bloody bullfrog battle itself,
- 26:19Speaker 1: you'll need to be a little bit careful because it's
- 26:23Speaker 1: now privately owned. It's along a state highway. The town
- 26:28Speaker 1: made a marker indicating where the pond existed in the
- 26:32Speaker 1: nineteen twenties, but they moved it because underbrush was growing
- 26:36Speaker 1: over it. Because now that sign is on the spot
- 26:39Speaker 1: where all the village people gathered back in seventeen fifty
- 26:43Speaker 1: four convinced it was the end of the world. Oh
- 26:47Speaker 1: and no, some of those frogs there are sculptures around
- 26:51Speaker 1: the town even have names. There's Willie and Manny after Willimantic. Correct,
- 26:58Speaker 1: we've got Swift Deep, presently named after the fans of
- 27:01Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. No, I'm kidding. It's actually reportedly named after
- 27:05Speaker 1: the Algonquin meaning of william Antic itself, which is land
- 27:11Speaker 1: of the swift running water, which immediately makes me think
- 27:16Speaker 1: of the scene in Wayne's World where Alice Cooper explains
- 27:19Speaker 1: that Milwaukee comes from the Algonquin word Milliwoauke, which means
- 27:23Speaker 1: the good land. M hm hm. There was a frog
- 27:28Speaker 1: parade in two thousand five and Windham wait with actual frogs, well,
- 27:34Speaker 1: actual fiberglass frogs, so actual frogs asterix. They were painted.
- 27:39Speaker 1: It's similar to that thing we have in Atlanta where
- 27:42Speaker 1: different artists had painted these cow sculptures to remember that. Yes,
- 27:47Speaker 1: so they painted these frogs and they paraded them through
- 27:51Speaker 1: the town and then they were displayed for a while
- 27:53Speaker 1: before they were auctioned off for charity. So if you
- 27:57Speaker 1: go to Windom today, which uh seems to be a
- 28:01Speaker 1: lovely place to visit, then you will see these various
- 28:04Speaker 1: frogs laying around. But no, Andrew, fellow, ridiculous historians. If
- 28:13Speaker 1: you spend some time in Wyndom and you make friends
- 28:17Speaker 1: with the locals and you chat them up, you might
- 28:20Speaker 1: meet some history buffs who have a different theory about
- 28:23Speaker 1: why those bullfrogs were screaming in the first place. Ha ha,
- 28:32Speaker 1: Ben the twists in the story, Why were the frogs
- 28:37Speaker 1: making so much noise? We know they were a little
- 28:40Speaker 1: bit thirsty and they were trying to get to that
- 28:42Speaker 1: last little bit of water in the pond and that
- 28:45Speaker 1: lowered pond. But what was going on that led to that.
- 28:48Speaker 1: Susan Z. Harrick, an assistant professor in residence at the
- 28:52Speaker 1: University of Connecticut's Biology Department, actually grew up in Wyndom,
- 28:56Speaker 1: and she has a theory about what insided the original
- 29:01Speaker 1: incident with the frogs that caused all of that chaos.
- 29:05Speaker 1: So the story or the legend, I guess, I don't know.
- 29:07Speaker 1: It's it's it's a little more than a legend. But
- 29:09Speaker 1: initially it claims that the frogs were fighting for this
- 29:13Speaker 1: little bit of water remaining in that pond. But Herrick,
- 29:16Speaker 1: who herself is an expert in frog behavior, thinks that
- 29:22Speaker 1: the frogs were actually getting it on. They were they
- 29:26Speaker 1: were making sweet love, presumably in the last remaining splashes
- 29:31Speaker 1: of that that lowered pond. M h. Yeah. The noises
- 29:37Speaker 1: are what Herrick calls advertisement calls that tells other males
- 29:44Speaker 1: about the male making the call. So it's kind of
- 29:46Speaker 1: like it's kind of like if you had a song
- 29:50Speaker 1: and you were like, I'm in great shape, I'm young,
- 29:54Speaker 1: this is my spot of the pond. Also, if you're listening,
- 29:59Speaker 1: I'm single, ladies, so be more like I've got a
- 30:04Speaker 1: dad body, I've got an okay job, I'm kind of
- 30:07Speaker 1: a professional nerd, and I've got a little bit of water.
- 30:11Speaker 1: Come on, ladies, let's go so the So imagine then
- 30:15Speaker 1: these kinds of songs, they're being dozens and dozens of
- 30:19Speaker 1: them at minimum right shouted over each other. And this
- 30:26Speaker 1: could easily explain the situation. But Herrick has found that
- 30:30Speaker 1: oddly enough, it looks like usually instead of shouting over
- 30:33Speaker 1: each other, neighboring frogs would take turns. One person would
- 30:37Speaker 1: say their song, which I won't reveal on air, but
- 30:40Speaker 1: you know, right to me, other species of frogs will
- 30:45Speaker 1: just crowd together with a little less strategy. They'll figure
- 30:49Speaker 1: out where females of their species may be, and they'll
- 30:52Speaker 1: just all run up there shouting. Eric has this awesome line, Um,
- 30:57Speaker 1: I really appreciated this. If you're listening to Susan Eric,
- 31:00Speaker 1: she said, it's like a singles bar scene in human society,
- 31:06Speaker 1: but for frog Yeah, and I don't know. I feel
- 31:09Speaker 1: like we all know how that usually turns out. It
- 31:13Speaker 1: makes me think of like the two dudes from Night
- 31:15Speaker 1: at the Roxbury who are like both simultaneously trying to
- 31:18Speaker 1: hit on one woman and they end up just kind
- 31:21Speaker 1: of banging against her repeatedly until she just freaks out
- 31:24Speaker 1: and runs away. You know that that seems like if
- 31:26Speaker 1: I was inundated, You know, if I was a female
- 31:29Speaker 1: frog and I was being inundated by all these calls,
- 31:31Speaker 1: I might just be like, yo, I don't think I
- 31:33Speaker 1: wanted anything to do with any of y'all because you
- 31:36Speaker 1: clearly have no restraint and um, it's kind of gross.
- 31:40Speaker 1: So that's just my two cents there, and there's Herrick
- 31:44Speaker 1: follows this a little bit further because as she was researching,
- 31:48Speaker 1: she learned that if things get particularly bad, some frogs
- 31:54Speaker 1: will switch mating strategies that they, you know, they're species,
- 31:58Speaker 1: ordinarily wouldn't use. So she believes that as the shoreline
- 32:03Speaker 1: of this pond shrink and the males became increasingly desperate,
- 32:07Speaker 1: they were losing their territory, uh their yards. Essentially, we're
- 32:11Speaker 1: getting smaller and smaller. And then it was just too
- 32:14Speaker 1: many dudes on the dance floor, too many males and
- 32:17Speaker 1: too small a pond. They gave up on having any
- 32:20Speaker 1: territory at all. They were just trying to find love.
- 32:23Speaker 1: They weren't coordinating their calls, all of which leads Herrick
- 32:27Speaker 1: to believe that's how this pandemonium occurred. They just started
- 32:31Speaker 1: screaming desperately, and then the noise became so loud that
- 32:37Speaker 1: it woke the members of the village. I do have
- 32:39Speaker 1: a theory about the noise though, because when you think
- 32:42Speaker 1: about it, in modern society, we're always surrounded with some
- 32:46Speaker 1: kind of noise, especially if you live anywhere near other people,
- 32:51Speaker 1: and the natural world is pretty loud too, But if
- 32:54Speaker 1: you live in the forest for a while, you learn
- 32:56Speaker 1: to recognize those sounds. So I'm wondering how loud this
- 33:01Speaker 1: actually was, you know what I mean, like, how loud
- 33:04Speaker 1: it would be a modern church. Was it just the
- 33:06Speaker 1: fact that they didn't have TVs on at night or podcast?
- 33:09Speaker 1: You know? But I've got to say that, and I
- 33:11Speaker 1: think you've probably been in the situation to taking a
- 33:13Speaker 1: nice stroll in the woods and you pass by like
- 33:16Speaker 1: a patch where there are clearly some frogs going nuts
- 33:20Speaker 1: and just a handful of them can raise quite a ruckist.
- 33:24Speaker 1: So I would imagine, you know, under these conditions where
- 33:27Speaker 1: they're really trying to compete for a lady's attention, could
- 33:31Speaker 1: get really out of hand volume wise, especially reverberating through
- 33:36Speaker 1: like a town square, you know, whether where there's the
- 33:38Speaker 1: po presumably some sort of stone to reinforce the pond.
- 33:42Speaker 1: I'm I'm guessing maybe not might have been more rudimentary
- 33:45Speaker 1: than that, but yeah, I could imagine it would get
- 33:47Speaker 1: pretty out of hand pretty quickly. Yeah, you know, I
- 33:51Speaker 1: think there's also a good point to be made about
- 33:54Speaker 1: the the weather at the time. Apparently the muggy air
- 33:58Speaker 1: also helped the rokes spread. But you're right, you make
- 34:02Speaker 1: a good point. Desperation can drive these frogs to some
- 34:06Speaker 1: pretty uh superhuman croaks, you know what I mean, Like
- 34:09Speaker 1: someone who is panicking when their kid is under a
- 34:12Speaker 1: car and they're able to use that what do you
- 34:14Speaker 1: call it, hysterical strength to lift the car. Maybe these croaks,
- 34:17Speaker 1: maybe these frogs were croaking as a life and death matter,
- 34:21Speaker 1: which as we learned it was, it was very much
- 34:24Speaker 1: so uh And I don't know what that being said,
- 34:30Speaker 1: this is cool. I love it when towns have something
- 34:32Speaker 1: like this. Don't you don't you feel like if you
- 34:34Speaker 1: go through a place like Hell in Georgia, don't you
- 34:37Speaker 1: like that idea like, oh, we're back in a copy
- 34:41Speaker 1: of Bavaria. I do like it, and I want to
- 34:44Speaker 1: know why. I assume initially there's some real German heritage
- 34:49Speaker 1: in a in a town like that. It turns out
- 34:51Speaker 1: that in Helen that's not the case at all. They
- 34:53Speaker 1: did it almost exclusively for tourists attraction purposes. It's not
- 34:58Speaker 1: like it has some sort of history of like German immigrants.
- 35:00Speaker 1: Unless I'm completely mistaken, but I could swear that I've
- 35:03Speaker 1: that I looked this up thinking that that was what
- 35:05Speaker 1: was up, and then realized, oh no, this is actually
- 35:08Speaker 1: just like some developers that decided they wanted to, you know,
- 35:11Speaker 1: make something a trap, sort of like south of the Border,
- 35:13Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's literally what it is.
- 35:16Speaker 1: But despite this actually being a real part of the
- 35:19Speaker 1: town's legacy, one of the people behind that frog bridge
- 35:23Speaker 1: that we talked about really did hope that these statues
- 35:27Speaker 1: would stir up some kind of almost folkloric urban legends
- 35:31Speaker 1: surrounding the town. Right. A woman named Margaret p Reich,
- 35:35Speaker 1: who's the executive director of the Windham Regional Planning Agency
- 35:39Speaker 1: and one of the uh, the chief like boosters behind
- 35:42Speaker 1: this frog bridge idea. She said that someone came back
- 35:47Speaker 1: from Serbia with a travel guide that talked about these
- 35:51Speaker 1: bridges featuring images of dragons and sculptures of dragons that
- 35:55Speaker 1: are supposed to wag their tails when a virgin walks by.
- 36:00Speaker 1: Uh she said, and quiz quoted in the New York
- 36:03Speaker 1: Times article, We'd like to create a similar urban legend,
- 36:06Speaker 1: but with frogs and probably not involving virgins. Okay, but
- 36:10Speaker 1: that's not how that's not how urban legends work. Not
- 36:14Speaker 1: quite so much. But I I applaud the idea. Who
- 36:17Speaker 1: doesn't love a good urban legend. So let's let's make
- 36:22Speaker 1: a let's make our own urban legend. Right now, Let's
- 36:24Speaker 1: say that if you are looking for love, just like
- 36:29Speaker 1: those frogs of old, then which you want to do
- 36:31Speaker 1: is go to Wyndham Green on night in in summer.
- 36:36Speaker 1: Will make it very It can be summer, it can
- 36:38Speaker 1: be either June or July. Right, and then let's see,
- 36:41Speaker 1: you know, let's say you you have to ask one
- 36:44Speaker 1: of the frogs for help. Right, it could be manny
- 36:48Speaker 1: windy whomever. And then you mentioned this off air, maybe
- 36:51Speaker 1: maybe there's a certain way you walk. Yeah, like what
- 36:55Speaker 1: is it? What do you call win winter winter? Sian?
- 36:58Speaker 1: That's so, what is that backwards? Doesn't that just like
- 37:00Speaker 1: walking backwards? It's walking counter counter exactly, that's right. Uh.
- 37:05Speaker 1: And then what happens you you'll be blessed with your
- 37:09Speaker 1: your true love's desire. Yes, if you hear the crow,
- 37:13Speaker 1: if you hear the croak, you gotta hear the croak. Um.
- 37:16Speaker 1: But Ben, I love that, and I think let's enter
- 37:19Speaker 1: that into the lexicon of urban legends. And so so
- 37:22Speaker 1: that's how these things start. Um. But one thing that's interesting,
- 37:25Speaker 1: and it ties back into another recent episode we did
- 37:28Speaker 1: is the Windham Bank. It was chartered in eighteen thirty two,
- 37:32Speaker 1: uh and was built in what is now known as
- 37:35Speaker 1: Windham Center. Um. It was a little slow to develop,
- 37:40Speaker 1: and as we know, a lot of these frontier banks
- 37:42Speaker 1: did issue their own currency. We did episode recently on
- 37:46Speaker 1: the Leopard colonies that had their own currency, and then
- 37:48Speaker 1: in the past we had done episodes on different kind
- 37:52Speaker 1: of scripts that were issued that would lose their value
- 37:55Speaker 1: completely if they were taken too far outside of their
- 37:58Speaker 1: you know, place of issue. So the bank notes that
- 38:01Speaker 1: the Windham Bank issued, which are very rare and are
- 38:04Speaker 1: actually unlisted. And you'll recall Ben mentioned earlier, the Windham
- 38:09Speaker 1: Bank and those bank notes, the script that they issued
- 38:12Speaker 1: um featuring a frog kind of lording over the dead
- 38:16Speaker 1: body of another frog. Why why that imagery band that's
- 38:19Speaker 1: very Uh, that didn't quite that's not quite the spirit
- 38:22Speaker 1: of the frog fight post Revolutionary War. Yeah, I guess
- 38:26Speaker 1: that's true. But there's actually a poem by the great
- 38:29Speaker 1: Wyndham poet, Reverend Theron Brown, that kind of exemplifies this
- 38:36Speaker 1: whole frog you know, phenomenon um, and it goes like this,
- 38:42Speaker 1: I pause to nurse the quaint remembrance. Here the bank
- 38:46Speaker 1: and I were born the self same year. The mind.
- 38:49Speaker 1: It's notes between whose figures poked two frogs so lifelike
- 38:55Speaker 1: that they almost quote the original green backs of the
- 38:59Speaker 1: native race that long anticipated salmon chase. They blossomed like
- 39:05Speaker 1: pond lilies from the mud, memento of a war that
- 39:10Speaker 1: shed no blood. And then everybody's like stepping there, Oh
- 39:13Speaker 1: my god. I love that though, because at the end
- 39:15Speaker 1: of the day, you know this, there's a lot more,
- 39:18Speaker 1: a lot worse ways this could have gone. Uh, nobody
- 39:21Speaker 1: lost their lives and ultimately the town of Wyndham went
- 39:24Speaker 1: on to prosper So there you go, happy ending. Yes, yes,
- 39:28Speaker 1: this also marks one more step in our journey to
- 39:32Speaker 1: have an episode about every state in the United States.
- 39:37Speaker 1: So thanks as always to our super producers Casey and
- 39:42Speaker 1: Andrew Thinks. Also especially to our research associate Gabelusier who
- 39:47Speaker 1: helped us hunt these frogs in Connecticut. Yes, indeed, and
- 39:50Speaker 1: huge thanks to Alex Williams who composed this very theme
- 39:53Speaker 1: that you're hearing right now. Super muster, Casey Pegrum, guest
- 39:56Speaker 1: producer Andrew A how call me Ishmael Poward, and Christopher
- 40:02Speaker 1: Haciotes here in spirit do to be here corporeally in
- 40:04Speaker 1: the very near future? That's right, that's right, No spoilers,
- 40:09Speaker 1: but everyone acts surprised. Also big thanks to our own
- 40:13Speaker 1: croaker in the dark, Jonathan Strickland, a k. The quizter.
- 40:17Speaker 1: I always wonder if he listens to the end of
- 40:19Speaker 1: these to know the nicknames him at the end. We
- 40:25Speaker 1: should wrap it up before he shows up though for real. Indeed,
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