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Jonathan Bush- Segment 2 · Newsradio WGAN

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  For over 2 decades, Inside Maine has delivered sharp political
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  insight and in depth discussion with Maine's top decision makers
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  on 98.5 FM, AM 560 and wgan.com. And we are back here on Inside
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  Maine. I'm Aaron Chadbourn, your host
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  this week on our gubernatorially focused episode.
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  Joining us now in studio with an impressive entourage is the man
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  himself, Jonathan Bush. Jonathan, good to see.
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  You Aaron, thanks for having me and thanks for letting my wife
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  Faye, my mom Jody, my friends son Nick and Eamon, the great
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  campaign manager all pack in like a clown car into your
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  studio here today. Well, I know you know this, but
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  Eamon is 1 political talent. He There's no one who has made
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  Ethan Strimling's head explode more than Eamon Dundon, and I
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  think he deserves. Vote no on everything.
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  He's a hero. Yeah, and how so?
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  You've been at this for a while, right?
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  We're now entering the home stretch where people are
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  starting to pay attention. Exactly, Aaron, there's there is
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  a doubling going on you know there were four people paying
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  attention and it doubled and it was 8 and then there was 16 and
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  and those double s were happening but they didn't matter
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  because they didn't add up to much.
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  But this week, the doublings you can, you can feel the weight of
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  the doublings particularly felt. I particularly felt it at Bangor
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  when Vice President Vance came. The number of people who took
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  off work to go to that event. I mean, they turned away 200
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  people. It was a packed hanger and
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  everyone knew. Me before I you.
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  Know each time. Hi, I'm running for governor.
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  You run a governor? What?
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  And all of a sudden, you know, not just aware, but intense
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  excited selfies. Motion, this is your first time,
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  right? For Oz, there's something that
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  happens once you go up on TV and those commercials are up, all of
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  a sudden the awareness just it's it's.
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  It's amazing. I'm I'm rent a famous, as they
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  say, you know, and you can be rent a famous and stink, you
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  know, you got to make sure that you are that what you have to
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  say is what people want to here and what they want to do.
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  And you know, when I looked at what was going on in Maine, I.
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  I felt confident that this was an economic problem and that
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  most Mainers would agree with me.
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  And I'm an economic actor. And sure enough, our ads talk
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  about, you know, the bureaucracy, the sort of
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  eclipsing of freedom, but the taxes.
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  And that's what people are focused on.
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  So what do you think, What would you say at this point?
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  You've been in all of these forums, all of these debates.
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  You've seen all the other. Let's focus on the Republicans
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  that you're competing against in June's primary.
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  Yeah. What would you say is the top
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  thing that sets you apart from those other candidates?
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  Well, you've got, you know, I believe this time around we need
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  to put up an outsider. So somebody who has not been a
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  lobbyist or involved in August or.
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  Washington, somebody who's actually been in the private
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  sector, we have a private sector crisis.
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  And I think the. Skill set is Ceoi think you need
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  someone who's actually competent at running a turn around because
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  this bureaucracy has reached a scale.
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  They don't use automation well. Management is weak.
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  Principles are not followed in a crisp way.
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  This is a thing that ACEO would do West do best at.
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  And so that sort of breaks the pack down into a small number of
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  CE OS and then a small number of lobbyists.
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  You know, there's there's two other CE OS running that are
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  great, great guys. God, I've really come to respect
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  them a lot. But I'm the only one who's
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  brought 950. Five jobs to Maine, so I've.
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  Already lived the main dream. Playbook of of the glory of
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  living here and raising kids here, but also not having to
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  give up the American dream to live here.
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  I've I've got that now in the the big animal part of my brain.
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  I'm not going to have to figure it out and I think that's key.
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  We need somebody who knows how to build jobs and businesses in
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  Maine and can run a playbook again and again and again to
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  wake up these our towns are just, I mean, the empty store
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  windows just great on me and the people, good people playing by
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  the rules and just not lifting, not rising.
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  I thought, by the way, the debate the other day, you had a
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  good answer when it came to the question of what would you say
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  to a company you think about locating.
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  A lot of people. Were just like, you know, we've
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  been so focused on the problems and you realize when you start
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  as governor day one, you've got the state you've got and you've
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  also got the legislature you have.
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  And it can take a while to actually change things.
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  And when I think about the the skill set for governor, I think
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  CEO is a good one. Yeah.
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  But it's not always. The one you need but, well,
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  this. Time I I think you always do
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  need it. I honestly I think you always
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  have to have the executive. Well, you could have a, you
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  know, great legislator who then brings in great CEO.
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  Yeah. Maybe, you know, maybe, but
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  here's the here's the challenge. Here's the difference.
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  Here's what I saw working with Paula Page, who had been turn
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  around CEO, right, is if you've been a private company CEO where
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  you haven't had like a publicly traded board to be responsive to
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  or you haven't been kind of a mayor with the City Council to
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  do it. There's a tension that exists
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  between the executive and the legislative branch.
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  We have all these great ideas and you can make certain
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  decisions in the executive branch, but then you run into
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  this, this cement wall of the legislature.
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  How do you breakthrough? That well, I, I think one thing
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  ACEO, you can be CE OS of all kinds of companies, but ACEO of
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  a company that's got enterprise sales as a key part of revenue
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  to go in because this is a selling job too.
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  You mentioned the example of bringing a company to Maine, but
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  it's also bringing a Democrat across the line, bringing an
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  independent into a coalition, bringing a a great business
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  person in a town to run for office.
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  Convincing them to give. Up these two random days a week
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  driving to Augusta. It's.
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  Not a good deal if you're a businessman, but if you care
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  about Maine? It's the only way to turn Maine
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  around. Those are all sales jobs.
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  And this. Next CEO, this next governor is
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  going to be selling all day long.
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  It's going to be selling companies to come back to Maine
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  that have left. It's going to be selling people
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  to get into politics that haven't been in there in.
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  Maine, there's like a fatwa. On supporting candidates.
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  For parties because the. Parties have become so
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  disgusting to people. We've got to bring those people
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  back into. The game and say it's OK.
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  For businesses to be. For something politically.
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  And those are all. Things that you know, I did and
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  you mentioned, you know, it was a public company CEO for 12
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  years, not just the CEO, a public company CEO and.
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  You know that's different. Right, because hell you.
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  Say is. Scrutinized everything you do.
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  Has the ability to move the markets.
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  And so it's it's, I think it's a really interesting skill set and
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  it's a really interesting comparison.
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  Yeah. So what to you has surprised you
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  the most about actually being a candidate?
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  And what you had there, well, literally the last time I had
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  any involvement in politics, I was 18 years old and I was
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  campaigning for my Uncle George in New Hampshire.
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  I lived in the basement of the headquarters.
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  And I did the lawn signs, you know, and spoke at high schools
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  about, you know, getting volunteers.
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  And you know, a small event might be 70 or 80 people and a
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  large event could be 56800 people in Maine.
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  I, I, I think the Bible may have been written in Maine because of
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  that line. When two or three are gathered
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  in your name, there is the is. The church, because that's about
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  how many people were at most of our events in the beginning.
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  We just kept. Banging it out and now, you
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  know, we're getting more like 40 or 50.
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  But there is a, there is not as much engagement given the
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  serious situation we're in. There's not as much engagement.
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  There hasn't been as much as I imagined.
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  It's ramping now. I think Maine breaks late, and
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  so now I'm seeing more electricity in diners all over
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  the place, people paying attention, asking me questions.
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  But the biggest surprise? Was, you know, I'm calling and
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  ain't nobody home for the first six months.
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  It's funny. I my freshman year of college,
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  your aunt came and spoke at the Institute of Politics.
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  I used myself. I said, you know, I'm from
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  Maine. Yeah, so Barbara Bush is there
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  speaking. I said, I'm from Maine.
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  I volunteered on your son's campaign.
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  She pulled me close to her. She goes, you know, and she
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  brought me right close to her. She whispered in my ear.
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  She goes. We lost Maine.
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  Get. Back to work, son.
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  My volunteer efforts didn't. Really make the difference.
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  I mean it, it is a good point. You know, she makes even in
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  absentia, she makes a good point.
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  Like we, we, we do lose and it's hurting our economy.
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  And we've lost 14,000 Republicans since 20. 14 in the
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  party. Now there's a good.
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  News right now we are registering 6 new.
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  Republicans for everyone. New Democrat.
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  So we've got. To clean up our act as a
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  Republican Party. But not as badly as they do so.
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  So we've got a. Little Edge.
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  And if we kind of roll up our sleeves, make it fun, if we do
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  get a governor who's a call maker, you know, who's got a
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  voice like this because he's calling people 24/7, asking for
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  donations, asking for support, asking for visits to the home,
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  getting neighbors together, then we will, we will continue that
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  trend. And just like we talked about at
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  the beginning of this session, you know, the doubling starts to
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  add up. And I think we can be a.
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  We're a purple state, but we've gone a little too blue recently.
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  Like a lot too blue. And if we can pull back into a
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  little red in our mix, we'll all be better for it.
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  So. Let me ask you that because I
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  think there are a lot of Republicans out there that say,
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  you know what's most important? Yeah, we want to pick the right
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  candidate that we like the most. That's going to be the best bear
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  for what we care about, for our future.
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  But we also want to pick a winner.
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  We want someone that can actually win Democrats and.
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  Got to win in November, got to win the legislature, got to be
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  doing this. This is got to go on forever.
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  You'll never stop campaigning. So I'm sorry I interrupt.
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  No, that's fine. So, but when people look at you
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  specifically, right, they'll say, I don't know if Democrats
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  are ever going to vote for a Bush or I know the moderators
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  wanted to talk about things that happened in your personal past
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  and they wanted to use that against you, which I imagine is
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  is something. That came out.
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  We got to get it out there and it'll probably got to know and
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  understand. So how are you going to overcome
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  some of those headwinds to be successful in November?
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  Well, it's interesting. I went to.
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  My my wife hooked me up with a really nice haircut before the
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  debate. Like you look like Gavin Newsom.
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  Please don't look like Gavin Newsom.
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  You're making me sick. Like so I went and I went to pay
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  at this nice where they, you know, put you in the thing and
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  they wash your hair. And I mean, and they said no
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  charge. I said what?
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  You know, I said, listen, we want you to win.
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  And I mean, piercings, colored hair.
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  This was not a Republican stronghold.
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  They were like looking we're, we are literally tired of drawing
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  straws every Friday to decide who's going to come in early on
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  Monday and take the human waste out of our vestibule, out of our
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  front door. And it's gone too far.
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  So there are actually a lot of Democrats who are quietly like,
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  you know, please, please help just for a little while.
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  We need a dad in the corner office to stop the crazy.
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  And then, of course, we're up virtually 1/3 unenrolled, and
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  those are people who are rational economic actors who
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  want to have their kids do a little better than they have.
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  You know this is a state. We are at 0.
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  Economic growth we're not. Behind the others, we are in
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  dead last. Except.
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  You know, there was a quirk with Maryland because they had all
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  those federal doge layoffs, and so Maryland briefly went
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  backwards. But we didn't.
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  Have some sort of major Deus Ex machina, you know, event.
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  We just, we just sucked all day. As an economy, and that is just.
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  Unbearable for You don't have to be a Republican.
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  To find that unbearable. And so I do believe that's why
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  the majority of Mainers in polls say Maine is on headed in the
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  wrong direction, which is an age-old sort of leading
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  indicator of a change of the executive.
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  Branch is heading in the wrong direction.
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  And I believe that is and, and I'm, you know.
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  I had 1000 employees in Maine and they were not all.
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  Pretty sure they were mostly. Democrats, but here they are
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  supporting me. And so I do think among the
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  candidates, you know, I am pretty conservative in terms of
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  policy. I am the only Republican running
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  that has no new programs. Everyone's got a program.
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  Every time we go to a panel, the manufacturing panel, everyone's
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  raising their hand for a special tax program and R&D investment.
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  We go to the timber industry and oh, there's a special thing to
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  teach logging in schools. No, no, no.
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  So from that perspective, I'm sort of, I guess, an extreme
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  conservative compared to the other candidates running.
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  But, you know, I've got some curbside appeal having employed
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  lots and lots of Mainers and been connected to all of those
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  families across the aisle. That is, you know, non scary at
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  least. So you got a good thing.
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  You got I'm, you know, you can talk to me and I can move.
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  The economy. And and and.
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  It's a big deal right now. It's bigger than all the other
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  big deals we've got to deal with.
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  You're listening to INSIDE Main. I'm your host, Aaron Chadbourn.
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  We're speaking to gubernatorial candidate, Republican Jonathan
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  Bush. Jonathan, you mentioned being at
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  the Vance event the other day, and I think a lot of people were
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  expecting him to come with some specific announcement, charges
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  being brought, something that had been uncovered.
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  And with all due respect to the vice president, it seemed like
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  he just kind of cited a couple main wire stories, which kudos
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  to Steve Robinson, John Featherstone, Seamus over there.
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  They've been doing a great job. But the federal government
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  hasn't really been there yet. I haven't seen the prosecutors.
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  I know it takes a while to build a case when Paul LePage was
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  governor, Janet Mills was attorney general.
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  So Mary, May God bless Mary Mayhew and Sam Adelson in the
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  work that they did to bring all these fraud cases.
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  How do we actually get the people who could have
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  consequences to take this seriously when there is fraud,
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  when there's mismanagement, when taxpayer dollars are going to
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  waste in the ways that people are horrified by?
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  I got a treat. You got a three for in there.
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  You got comment on the event. How do we actually execute and
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  what we can do about fraud in the long haul?
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  You know, the event I thought was perfectly executed.
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  Maybe they didn't have any, you know, anything to announce, but
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  they're like, we got the time slot, let's hit it.
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  They had two law enforcement guys do the intros, 2 Mainers,
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  and they made that event an event about right versus wrong
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  versus instead of left versus right.
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  So they fired up the Republican base, got people excited.
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  You can't believe the change in tone, smile ratios coming out of
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  that place, even at the restaurants around town
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  afterwards. He did all that without giving
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  the Democrats one bullet to fire back.
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  So I thought that was artful and.
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  Powerful and at a time that we needed here rolling into this
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  election season. In terms of the actual fraud
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  problem, you've got 2 problems. You've got a disinterested
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  government. Many of the companies that are
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  in question were sort of recruited in as a virtue.
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  Oh, look, we have somebody of a minority background who's a
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  business person. It's sort of fit.
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  They were doing quota, so the DEI quota games and here was
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  these perfect poster children of their DEI success story turning
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  out to be a fraud. You know, fraud doesn't have
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  color lines. It's it's fraud, but.
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  Good guys and bad guys in every background, every race, every
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  preference. It's silly to do correlations.
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  But anyway, this was a correlation that they wanted to
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  avoid. You know, stepping around the
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  dog poop in the living room. Carpet and so they didn't roll
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  up on them. They didn't work these cases.
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  I think once you get a clue, you've got to put a team a
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  little task force and they've got to roll up.
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  They got to follow them, they got to do the work.
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  When you have a suspect, you get an indictment and grand jury
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  says yeah, OK, let's develop a case and they develop a case and
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  they just haven't done that. But I think the third thing is
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  the actual root cause of the fraud is not the people doing it
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  or the lack of law enforcement. There's a bigger problem, which
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  is Democrats in Maine are literally trying to create that
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  the British healthcare system in Maine.
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  So they doubled the Medicaid program and now they're rolling
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  in with their own state owned HMO that they want to create if
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  they're elected. I mean, holy Moses, they did
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  such a great job with Mainecare, they're going to now have a
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  commercial option as well. This is a terrifying act of
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  hubris, of just obscene, overweening pride that they can
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  control people better than people can control themselves.
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  And that is the problem. So the the thing to do about
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  future fraud, we got to get the. Bad guys that became bad guys
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  and they got to go to jail so that people know the world is
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  fair and just. But going forward, being able to
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  sign up with the state to do all you can eat rides to anybody
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  who's on main care or all you can eat grocery shopping or all
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  you can eat home counseling. No Sir.
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  Those are those are jobs that should be retained by providers.
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  Doctors offices should be given delegated responsibility and say
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  look, if Betty can't get to the doctor and you can't get her a
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  taxi. Yes, you can hire a ride
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  service. But not the state gives the
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  monopoly to the ride service and they start making refrigerator
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  magnets and everybody needs a ride now, because the state's
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  going to pay for any ride I give, whether it's fraudulent or
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  not. That's a really bad deal for us,
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  for taxpayers. There's a guy out there, we pay
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  for any rides. He can figure out how to give
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  whether that person really needs it or not.
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  It's not fraud, it's not illegal, but it's happening all
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  day with millions of our dollars.
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  So delegated responsibility to doctors, to clinics, to health
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  systems is got to happen and it will right away.
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  This is hard to do on the radio right now, but trust me, you
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  guys, I've been running healthcare systems for 30 years.
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  I know how this stuff works. I know the lead my my wife Faye
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  runs one of the most leading edge providers in the country,
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  probably the most. Little bias but I think she's
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  the best. But there are dozens of
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  companies that are everywhere in the country except Maine because
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  our business climate and regulatory climate is passive
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  aggressively saying go away. We want to run this ourselves.
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  As a as a government. But meanwhile, you're seeing,
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  right? You see when when hospitals
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  close their birthing units, you know what path the state is on
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  when the state can't make their can't pay their bills and they
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  have to wait until the next. Budget delaying payment as a way
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  to say we balance our budget. Oh my and.
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  They'll put us in charge of the healthcare system.
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  We're going to not pay the hospitals, which you know, we
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  dealt with before and I guess we're.
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  Going to have to and that was, remember that's the second move.
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  The first move was price fixing, right?
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  So they say we're going to pay you 75% less than you could ever
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  break even on and then declare ourselves making healthcare
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  affordable. Well, guess what happened?
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  Those a a huge chunk of hospitals and doctors went out
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  of business. We saw that you mentioned the
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  hospitals, they made the news, but what didn't make the news is
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  dozens and dozens and dozens of small everyone listening.
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  I'm sure you saw a doctor's office, a family practice, a
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  little OBGYN on a shingle with the little names hanging on the
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  thing. MD.
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  Gone now. Those were the first ones to go.
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  No news story. Now the hospitals are going OK
• 17:55
  news story, but these guys and the only people left are
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  Monopoly. Voters don't need the news
• 18:00
  story, though, because whenever, anytime you need to go find a
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  new primary care physician, you. Can't find one?
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  There's. Three month.
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  You're on a wait 2 hour drive. Yeah, it's, it's it's.
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  Really. And there are virtual companies
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  in every state except ours. We don't allow it in main care
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  and we're such a bad business climate.
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  They're like, listen, we're, we're a business here.
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  We're not going to go where we're with tiny market, 1.3
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  million people in the whole state.
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  And they act like the San Francisco city government when
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  you want to deal with them. So, you know, Alfang Ghoul will
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  go to another state and and that's what's happening now.
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  We've got to go get those people back and say, A, I'm sorry, B
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  Look, we cut our taxes. We shrunk our bureaucracy.
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  We rolled back 50 executive orders.
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  We, you know, increased freedom with a legislative package that
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  got rid of the sort of carinization of life in Maine.
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  And now people will say, Oh my God, I think they're serious and
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  they'll come back. And I know them, and I'll ask.
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  Them I'll say, listen, I have pictures of you with farm
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  animals. You must come back to Maine and
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  try again. You must come back to Maine.
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  And we will get options that when you bring supply of options
• 19:00
  up, the quality of the options go up and the price goes down.
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  It is the oldest thing in the world since Adam Smith told us
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  about how to make a sweater. You know, it's the oldest thing
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  in the world. And we are defying it.
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  Like we've got some sort of new idea that they've discovered
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  that socialism may be a better idea.
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  Energy costume. I mean, I think that that's the
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  whole thing. They make it way more expensive
• 19:20
  and they expect more people to come.
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  It's not going to happen. Exactly.
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  It's like they think that their virtue.
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  And by the way, it's not virtuous to jam something
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  virtuous down someone else's throat.
• 19:30
  That's not virtue, even if they were dead on about the
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  environment, which they're not. Even if they were.
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  Dead on about social justice, which they are not.
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  If you shove World Peace down someone's throat, that's not
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  peace. Yeah, and that's what's
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  happening here. It's it's being shoved down
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  people's. Throat.
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  And that is poisonous. Ideological fanaticism.
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  It's basically become a religion.
• 19:51
  We're unfortunately out of time for people.
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  We were just getting started Get.
• 19:54
  Fired up for people that want to learn more about your campaign?
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  Jonathanbush.org Get on in there.
• 19:59
  We're ready for you. All right.
• 20:00
  Well, Jonathan Bush, he is candidate for governor there.
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  How many days left? 24. 24 days left, you're going
• 20:07
  to be out and about. I think a lot of people see your
• 20:09
  energy. They like your energy, they like
• 20:11
  what you're doing. A lot of people are tuning in
• 20:13
  and I think I'll just say good luck.
• 20:14
  Thank you. Fuck is definitely asleep.
• 20:16
  And you're out there all the time, and I can hear it in your
• 20:18
  voice, but it takes a lot of. Energy early to bed, early to
• 20:21
  rise, work like heck and. Advertise I hope you see my ads.
• 20:24
  And I'll tell you in the 20 seconds we have left, the one
• 20:26
  thing about your ads that we've complimented here at the station
• 20:29
  is that you're rotating them, you're freshening them up.
• 20:31
  It's not one message, it's responsive.
• 20:33
  And you can see that. You can see the innovation.
• 20:34
  You can see the business mind. It's a different you.
• 20:36
  Need to have sort of 501 on one or small group conversations
• 20:40
  before you know what to say on an ad that isn't just dumb.
• 20:45
  We're off to a break. We'll have Robert Wessels and
• 20:47
  Shanna Bellows when we come back.
• 20:49
  I'm Aaron Chadworn.