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The Kenny Report | 4 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: The Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Ross, and thanks for joining me tonight. Anthony Albanese's
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  Speaker 2: women issue, I'll show you how his hypocrisy is there
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  Speaker 2: for all to see.
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  Speaker 1: Political security, How.
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  Speaker 2: Can one nation campaign properly from behind a wall of
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  Speaker 2: police protection. I'll talk to the Victorian opposition spokesperson the
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  Speaker 2: Bondai Royal Commission.
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  Speaker 1: Hears police downplay.
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  Speaker 2: The opera house disgrace while a pro Palestinian lawyer attacks Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Alex Ritchen will join me and should the Muslim call
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  Speaker 2: to prayer echo across an Australian suburb. All that, plus
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  Speaker 2: Julian Lisa on Albanize's broken Gama promise, and Suzi O'Brien
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  Speaker 2: and Stephen senter Tampa on the Flying Kangaroo flying jobs.
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  Speaker 1: Overseas, let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: The rise of political violence and intimidation is a crucial issue,
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  Speaker 2: even for us here in our relatively benign democracy. As
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  Speaker 2: you know, we've seen violent political protests here over the years,
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  Speaker 2: whether the issue was Vietnam or uranium mining or the
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  Speaker 2: early antipathy towards the Howard government with those horrible Parliament
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  Speaker 2: House riots. But thankfully political violence here has never reached
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  Speaker 2: the levels seen in other countries like the United States,
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  Speaker 2: especially when it comes to targeted attacks against specific individuals.
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  Speaker 2: Yet we can't afford to be the slightest bit complacent,
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  Speaker 2: especially after the Bondai massacre, the worst act of terrorism
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  Speaker 2: in this nation's history, when fifteen people were killed just
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  Speaker 2: eight months ago in what police alleged was an active
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  Speaker 2: Islamist extremist terrorism. We must be ever vigilant here, and
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  Speaker 2: that's why I want to mention what I saw in
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne yesterday when I was following Pauline Hanson across a
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  Speaker 2: couple of events.
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  Speaker 1: When Hanson announced a clutch.
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  Speaker 2: Of New One Nation candidates at a CBD hotel in
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  Speaker 2: the morning, the security was overwhelming. Teams of armed police
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  Speaker 2: patrolled around the streets outside and dozens more officers were
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  Speaker 2: inside the hotel patrolling the ground floor while the event
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  Speaker 2: was being held upstairs.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I've been around media and.
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  Speaker 2: Politics for forty years and I've seen plenty of incidents
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  Speaker 2: and protests and security from all angles. This was an
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  Speaker 2: exceptional array of security. It tells me the police in
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  Speaker 2: Victoria are operating under the advice of intelligence that details
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  Speaker 2: a significant threat. Now, I remember covering hands and events
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  Speaker 2: in the late nineteen nineties, when there were more protests
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  Speaker 2: outside some of her venues than sometimes there were supporters
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  Speaker 2: in side, and on occasions these protests descended into violence.
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  Speaker 2: Back then that wasn't good, of course, but I'm more
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  Speaker 2: worried now. One Nation has become a potent political force
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  Speaker 2: across the nation. And late yesterday I went to Pauline
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  Speaker 2: Hansen's second event, a fundraiser at a hotel in Melbourne's Hawthorne.
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  Speaker 2: This area was surrounded by police. Two roads were blocked,
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  Speaker 2: with traffic diverted right around the hotel. Protesters targeted One
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  Speaker 2: Nation and of course.
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  Speaker 1: The people attending.
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  Speaker 2: Same Yeah, and of course the main focus of their
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  Speaker 2: vitriol was the One Nation leader herself. This was ugly
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  Speaker 2: and thankfully there was no violence, no arrests, and no
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  Speaker 2: one was hurt. But a lot of people were inconvenience,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people were intimidated, and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: police resources were diverted from fighting crime. And in the end,
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  Speaker 2: this is a pretty purele political push.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, have a listen to this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, these protesters are uniting to fight the right.
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  Speaker 1: They are the hard left, the federal left if you.
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  Speaker 2: Like, and their main issue is just to fight the right,
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  Speaker 2: as if being right of center, as if believing in
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  Speaker 2: small government, free enterprise, strong borders and personal responsibility, as
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  Speaker 2: if these things are something to protest against or to
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  Speaker 2: fight as they say.
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  Speaker 1: So, this is.
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  Speaker 2: Worrying enough, but my concern here is that the threats
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  Speaker 2: against Hansen and One Nation are even more serious because
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  Speaker 2: the police presence and posture were so robust, and this
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  Speaker 2: suggests that they might be worried about more than mere protesters,
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  Speaker 2: and this could be a major issue.
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  Speaker 1: For this country.
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  Speaker 2: With Victoria effectively in campaign mode already in the new
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  Speaker 2: South Wales election happening early ne year, and then the
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  Speaker 2: focus of course, will switch to the looming federal election.
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  Speaker 1: By then, how are we going.
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  Speaker 2: To ensure that all politicians can campaign freely?
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  Speaker 1: Will One Nation have to campaign the.
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  Speaker 2: Whole time from behind a force field of security? If so,
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  Speaker 2: what will that mean for the other parties? And more
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  Speaker 2: to the point, what does that mean for our democracy
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  Speaker 2: and our way of life now? Peaceful protests, of course,
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  Speaker 2: are a crucial part of democracy, and violence, of course,
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  Speaker 2: is beyond the pale, but so too is intimidation. Intimidation
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  Speaker 2: that can curtail free political debate. We need to watch
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  Speaker 2: this space very carefully. It's time to call out the
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  Speaker 2: appalling hypocrisy of Anthony Albanesi and his government on women.
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  Speaker 1: This stuff is so bad that it seems to encourage
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  Speaker 1: foul hatred directed.
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  Speaker 2: At conservative women, and it's even harming Australia's into national diplomacy.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister has demonstrably failed Australia's richest woman, Gina Reinhart,
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  Speaker 2: and the Japanese Prime Minister Senai Takaichi, and in doing
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  Speaker 2: so he's let down all women and our country.
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  Speaker 1: Let me explain first up.
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  Speaker 2: Albanzi constantly boasts that his government is focused on delivering
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  Speaker 2: for women.
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  Speaker 3: But the truth is that if you look at the
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  Speaker 3: government and then what some see as the alternative government,
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  Speaker 3: my government has a majority of women in our caucus.
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  Speaker 3: We have a majority of women around our cabinet table.
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  Speaker 2: Albanize has even gotten on his high horse accusing others
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  Speaker 2: of sexist behavior.
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  Speaker 3: And last week The Nightly published a piece by Aaron
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  Speaker 3: Patrick under the headline why I Wouldn't marry Susan Lee.
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  Speaker 3: That headline is a disgrace and the article is no better.
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  Speaker 3: I don't intend to quote from it any further. You
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  Speaker 3: really only need to know one thing about it. That
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  Speaker 3: article would never have been written about a male political leader.
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  Speaker 1: One of the lessons I.
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  Speaker 3: Would hope that this Parliament and those who observe it
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  Speaker 3: have learned from Julia Gillard's time as Prime Minister is
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  Speaker 3: that it is not enough to shake our heads at
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  Speaker 3: this stuff in private. As leaders, we have a responsibility
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  Speaker 3: to call it out, and today, as Prime Minister, I
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  Speaker 3: call it out.
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  Speaker 2: Yet this is the same prime minister who said this
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  Speaker 2: whilst sitting in the.
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  Speaker 4: Lodge Jag Mary Date Kylie, Minogue Kylie clearly in Mary
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  Speaker 4: Kylie and Shagger and data.
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  Speaker 5: All of the above.
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  Speaker 2: Just extraordinary, isn't it? But it gets much worse. Let
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  Speaker 2: me share the international embarrassment. It follows the camera visit
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  Speaker 2: in May by Japan's first female Prime minister, Senai take Aichi.
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  Speaker 2: The visit went well, but it's what Albernezi said afterwards
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  Speaker 2: that was so telling. This was all brilliantly dissected by
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  Speaker 2: Japanese journalist Waka Ikida in a piece republished in the
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  Speaker 2: Weekend Australian. Ikida writes that Takeichi brought her host a
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  Speaker 2: gift chosen with diplomatic care. Crown melons from Shikosa from Shizoka,
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  Speaker 2: the most prized fruit in Japan, to mark the reopening
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  Speaker 2: of Australian markets to Japanese melons, and she explained in Japan,
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  Speaker 2: a crown melon can cost more than a fine bottle
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  Speaker 2: of wine. It's perfection based on the Japanese artisan spirit
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  Speaker 2: of takumi is what you bring when you wish to
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  Speaker 2: honor someone.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: As you know, we got an insight into Albanese's character,
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  Speaker 2: judgment and hypocrisy when he spoke about this thoughtful gift.
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  Speaker 3: Weeks later, the Japanese Prime Minister brought a melon.
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  Speaker 1: She she smuggled it. I don't know, Oh, I.
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  Speaker 3: Got a couple of melons she brought too.
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  Speaker 1: She brought too, as you do.
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  Speaker 6: She just came in looking like Pamela Randa.
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  Speaker 1: She brought to yes, and they're.
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  Speaker 2: Beautiful, your Prime Minister. How cringeworthy for Australia, But imagine
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  Speaker 2: how it looked to Japan and Takichi Ikida writes, consider
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  Speaker 2: who was being laughed at. Takaichi is the first female
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  Speaker 2: prime minister in Japanese history and leads a country locked
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  Speaker 2: in its most dangerous confrontation with China in decades. This
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  Speaker 2: is the leader of Australia's closest security partner in Asia,
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  Speaker 2: and her state gift became a breast joke on a
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  Speaker 2: crude podcast.
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  Speaker 1: What a telling observation.
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  Speaker 2: They're made by female Japanese journalist Ikeda, who also wrote
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  Speaker 2: about how Takai, she as a female trailblazer, has had
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  Speaker 2: to endure sexist attacks in politics, and how because she's
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  Speaker 2: a conservative, she hasn't been defended by the usual feminist advocates,
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  Speaker 2: just like here in Australia. And the point about Albanese's
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  Speaker 2: purele sexism against Takaichi is that it drew so little criticism.
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  Speaker 1: The feminists in Australia were struck dumb.
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  Speaker 2: Our prime minister made crude, schoolboy jokes about the first
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  Speaker 2: woman to run one of the most significant countries on
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  Speaker 2: the planet, diminishing not only her but her nation, and
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  Speaker 2: the usual defenders of women and international respect in politics
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  Speaker 2: and the media were silent. Yet just weeks ago Albanesi
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  Speaker 2: was on his high horse condemning others for daring to
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  Speaker 2: run a ditch the witch campaign against then Victorian Labor
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  Speaker 2: Premier to Cinta Allen.
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  Speaker 3: Specifically, what worries me is the misogyny that's invold there.
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  Speaker 3: The sexist campaign targeting the Victorian premier is totally unacceptable
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  Speaker 3: and has no place in public life. We want to
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  Speaker 3: encourage women to enter public life and it should be
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  Speaker 3: a contest of ideas, not personal attacks.
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  Speaker 2: This is the same man who joked about Takeyichi's melons.
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  Speaker 2: How embarrassing for Albernizi, How demeaning for Australian. As Akda
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  Speaker 2: writes on recent evidence, a woman may run the world's
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  Speaker 2: fourth largest economy, stare down Beijing's threats, and still be
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  Speaker 2: reduced by an allied prime minister to two melons on
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  Speaker 2: a podcast. The joke was beneath him and beneath Australia,
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  Speaker 2: a longtime ally and friend of Japan. The silence that
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  Speaker 2: followed was beneath everyone. Yeah, that was a superb takedown
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  Speaker 2: of Albanesi and the feminists of Australia who remain mute.
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  Speaker 2: But yet it still gets worse for Albanesi. We only
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  Speaker 2: have to look at the case of Gina Reinhart subject
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  Speaker 2: to this vile abuse on the National Broadcaster.
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  Speaker 7: Because when the revolution comes, will you hide under your
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  Speaker 7: bed or will you know exactly how to shove a stick?
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  Speaker 7: Right off Gena Reinhart's bottole, stirring it around, nixing her
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  Speaker 7: guts up nice and smooth, making her into one big
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  Speaker 7: sausage role.
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  Speaker 2: Since this episode was brought to everyone's attention by my
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  Speaker 2: colleague Andrew Bolt, the filmmaker has offered a half apology,
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  Speaker 2: but the ABC has not. A couple of government ministers
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  Speaker 2: have said it was offensive and welcomed the ABC, referring
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  Speaker 2: it to their internal onwardsman, but Albanzi has said nothing,
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  Speaker 2: and none of his ministers has demanded that the ABC apologize.
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  Speaker 2: You can still view that horrible muck on the ABC's
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  Speaker 2: digital platforms.
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  Speaker 1: Reinhart is threatening legal action now.
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  Speaker 2: So as it stands, your tax dollars have paid for
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  Speaker 2: this filth, Your tax dollars are still paying for it
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  Speaker 2: to be available online, Your tax dollars are paying the
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  Speaker 2: ABC chairman, the board, the managing director, and other executives
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  Speaker 2: while they refuse to apologize, And your tax dollars will
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  Speaker 2: also pay for any legal costs incurred by the ABC
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  Speaker 2: if they defend their right to broadcast this sort of
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  Speaker 2: offensive abuse. Look, as you know you probably do know
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  Speaker 2: I've got experience in this stuff. When the ABC called
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  Speaker 2: me a dog effort and mocked up a picture showing
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  Speaker 2: me up a dog. They refuse to apologize. Thanks to
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  Speaker 2: my employer, I was able to take act and forced
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  Speaker 2: them to apologize, and they wasted a lot of taxpayers
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  Speaker 2: money along the way trying to defend their right to
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  Speaker 2: call me a dog effort. Now they seem to be
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  Speaker 2: repeating the same, the exact same mistake with Gina Reinhardt.
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  Speaker 2: They're again driven by their disdain for anyone right of center,
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  Speaker 2: and you pay for it. We all know they'd never
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  Speaker 2: tolerate this, nor should they if it was directed.
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  Speaker 1: At a woman of the left.
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  Speaker 2: And my point about Alberzi is this comes back to
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  Speaker 2: him and it lands on his desk. If ALBERNIZI was
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  Speaker 2: a leader and a fighter for the rights of women
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  Speaker 2: in public life, well then the Prime Minister would fix
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  Speaker 2: this simply by speaking with some clear moral emphasis, some
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  Speaker 2: moral clarity, by demanding that the ABC apologize.
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  Speaker 1: And lift its game.
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  Speaker 2: Instead, he just lets it run, and his government lets
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  Speaker 2: it run pure weakness. And as a result of this partly,
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  Speaker 2: the ABC is in deep crisis again. Apart from the
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  Speaker 2: Gina Reinhardt abomination, it's been banned from all one Nation
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  Speaker 2: media events, and it's been called out constantly for its
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  Speaker 2: anti Israel bias in its reporting from the Middle East,
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  Speaker 2: and unbelievably, as you saw on this program, its chairman
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  Speaker 2: Kim Williams has flat out denied any issue of political
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  Speaker 2: bias at the public broadcaster. Now it's been caught out
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  Speaker 2: by its own media program for seemingly fabricating major current
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  Speaker 2: affairs stories. Media Watch last night further exposed the Four
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  Speaker 2: Corners reports that led to the sacking of former BIKI
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  Speaker 2: turned reporter Marmwood Fazzle. Media Watch showed us how some
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  Speaker 2: portrayed by Fuzzle as a major drug dealer was in
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  Speaker 2: large part an ABC invention, complete with an ABC funded
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  Speaker 2: car that's for funny meet pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: What does all of this mean to you?
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  Speaker 6: Rolling around in a car like this living in a
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  Speaker 6: leafy north Shore suburb considering how you grew up means everything.
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  Speaker 4: One claim she made in her video that we have
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  Speaker 4: been able to establish is she did not pay for
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  Speaker 4: this fancy car. The ABC did so when the program
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  Speaker 4: put this to air, I.
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  Speaker 8: Got some nice wheels, pit driver, take you shoe spots
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  Speaker 8: around Sydney, take some stories, show some things.
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  Speaker 4: Someone in the Four Corners team must have known the
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  Speaker 4: audience was being misled.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah your taxes, hiring a fancy car to help make
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  Speaker 2: someone look like a successful drug dealer.
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  Speaker 1: And others at the ABC must have known.
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  Speaker 2: Still another ABC program, this time Radio brought into this scam,
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  Speaker 2: and this time the connections went all.
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  Speaker 1: The way back to the Media Watch team.
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  Speaker 4: A day before Four Corners aired its episode, Radio Nationals
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  Speaker 4: long running Background Briefing published an even more in depth
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  Speaker 4: portrait of her life.
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  Speaker 9: Stud's network Afterword drinks, hang up, and managing directors meet
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  Speaker 9: their managing director friends.
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  Speaker 5: Ten grand a day, forty fifty grand.
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  Speaker 4: A week, with the episode containing this disclaimer, which was
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  Speaker 4: not included in the Four Corners.
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  Speaker 6: Stories like this are hard to verify, so we've taken
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  Speaker 6: steps where we can to make sure this one is accurate.
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  Speaker 6: But it's one person's story, her experiences, and her version
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  Speaker 6: of events.
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  Speaker 4: The remy profile was approved for broadcast by Background Briefings
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  Speaker 4: executive producer Fornu Flali. Second in charge was Mario Christadulu,
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  Speaker 4: who is now executive produce of Media Watch and who
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  Speaker 4: recused himself last week from all work on this story.
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  Speaker 2: Hi Bertie did the ramifications for all this are serious.
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  Speaker 4: There can now be little doubt that Marmud Fazzar was
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  Speaker 4: at the very least embellishing his journalism and cheating his audience.
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  Speaker 4: The greater trouble, however, is the contagion has spread and
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  Speaker 4: a serious breakdown in editorial integrity at not one but
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  Speaker 4: two of the ABC's most respected and important programs has
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  Speaker 4: been exposed. His managers granting too much trust and too
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  Speaker 4: much autonomy to a journalist with a history of choosing
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  Speaker 4: life outside the rules.
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  Speaker 1: What a mess. Well done to media Watch.
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  Speaker 2: Still, at least the ABC took Fassel's stories down from
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  Speaker 2: their website. Sarah Ferguson's loopy three part series on four
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  Speaker 2: Corners claiming that Vladimir Putin installed Donald Trump in the
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  Speaker 2: White House is still available online at your expense.
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  Speaker 1: Your tax dollars. As is that horrible.
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  Speaker 2: Attack on Gena Reinhardt. And once more it seems no
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  Speaker 2: one is in charge at the ABC. I want to
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  Speaker 2: return now to what I started the program on, and
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  Speaker 2: that is the heavy police presence so well on one
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  Speaker 2: Nation's events in Melbourne yesterday, I asked Victoria's Shadow Police
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  Speaker 2: Minister Brad Batten for his perspective.
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  Speaker 10: Disappointing to see on the streets that we see that
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  Speaker 10: level of protests outside of political events. I'd say we've
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  Speaker 10: seen it in the past when we've had liberal governments
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  Speaker 10: here in Victoria, when we have a group that wants
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  Speaker 10: to get it out of control and they think that
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  Speaker 10: if they become violent or threaten violence, that they can
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  Speaker 10: get control. We just need to make sure that Victoria
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  Speaker 10: Police have the resources to make sure that doesn't happen,
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  Speaker 10: because it's a concern for all members of parliament. This
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  Speaker 10: isn't just a one party should be a concern to
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  Speaker 10: every member of parliam and to speech here in Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my understanding is that one nation we're going to
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  Speaker 2: do their launch on the steps of Parliament House, but
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  Speaker 2: they were advised that that would be too much of
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  Speaker 2: a security risk, that a lot of police around Parliament
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  Speaker 2: House yesterday too, so.
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  Speaker 1: They moved it indoors.
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  Speaker 2: Therefore, of course a less public event. So it's always
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  Speaker 2: already had an impact on the way they're campaigning.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, it does, and and we've seen this before. I
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  Speaker 10: know when we've tried to do things externally over time,
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  Speaker 10: and I know sometimes people get excited that they can
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  Speaker 10: get a group out there and they do. Everyone's entitled
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  Speaker 10: to protest, everyone's entitled to have their voice. But it's
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  Speaker 10: when it starts to become threats of violence against any
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  Speaker 10: political party that's where I draw the line, or even
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  Speaker 10: to organizations. We've seen it in Melbourne that it's almost
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  Speaker 10: been okay to protest on certain things and not okay
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  Speaker 10: on others. And we saw it with when we had
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  Speaker 10: our display down here with the military, that all of
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  Speaker 10: a sudden we pro saying that it wasn't okay. But
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  Speaker 10: then if it was for other events, this seemed to
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  Speaker 10: be it was turned to blind eye, and I don't
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  Speaker 10: accept that.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get back to how this is going
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  Speaker 2: to impact the liberal opposition as well in the looming
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  Speaker 2: election campaign. But just on yesterday and last night I
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  Speaker 2: went to the second event at Hawthorne. Police there had
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  Speaker 2: to lock down a couple of suburban streets so people
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  Speaker 2: couldn't get through there. Traffic was diverted around a whole
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  Speaker 2: block effectively. So two things about this worried me. One
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  Speaker 2: as it suggested that they might be worried about more
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: than just protesters, because they were making sure that no
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: cars were going either side on the roads of this
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: suburban hotel. And secondly, it's the amount of police resources here.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Victoria's dealing with massive crime problems and here you have
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: dozens of police and all sorts of vehicles and resources
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: dedicated to protecting just a political fundraiser.
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah, we've seen this too often in Melbourne and as
• 21:47
  Speaker 10: I said, and it's become almost normal.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: The amount of police.
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: That we have to put to babysit those that want
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: to protest or threaten violence in Victoria is ridiculous. We've
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: already got fifteen hundred vacancies. We know we need to
• 22:00
  Speaker 10: recruit more police and we've promised to do that. We've
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: seen forty stations shut across the state. We've already said
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: we'll reopen them, but now we're seeing more and more police.
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: The amount of hours it is tens of thousands of
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: shifts that we lose each year to protests here in Melbourne.
• 22:15
  Speaker 10: That's why we'll make sure we have move on laws
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: give the police the powers to ensure that they can
• 22:20
  Speaker 10: keep areas safe and it will use less resources longer term,
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: so we can send them back out where it's needed
• 22:25
  Speaker 10: to stop the agbergs and to stop the assaults and Brad.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Of course you want people to vote liberal, but one
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: nation will be out there campaigning for votes as well.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: This is obviously going to hamper their campaigning if they
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: have to campaign behind police barricades all the same and
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: you must be worried too. For Liberal and National MPs
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: it must be and candidates it's going to be difficult
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: campaigning when there is this intimidation about.
• 22:49
  Speaker 10: Yeah, we've seen it in the past, and we get
• 22:50
  Speaker 10: advice from police and security in relation to things we
• 22:54
  Speaker 10: can and can't do. I don't want to go in
• 22:56
  Speaker 10: the path we've seen overseas where you see violence against
• 22:59
  Speaker 10: members of Parliament of any persuasion, and I think it's
• 23:02
  Speaker 10: really important that we can go out and meet the people.
• 23:05
  Speaker 10: But we also know Jess went around to Jess Wilson
• 23:08
  Speaker 10: went around to eighty eight seats in thirty six days
• 23:10
  Speaker 10: without any hassles, without any police escort, without any security issues.
• 23:15
  Speaker 10: If you're out there with the right messaging, people tend
• 23:17
  Speaker 10: to and without being divisive to people tend to come
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: up and want to chat to you and speak to you.
• 23:21
  Speaker 10: I think it's important we also consider that when we're campaigning.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great, thanks for joining us. Brad, I appreciate it.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Thank you Brad Baton there from the state opposition in Victoria,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I want to welcome to the set now Shadow Education
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Minister Federally Julian Lisa.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Julian.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I just want to get your thoughts on that issue first,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: because I think it's very important for this country. With
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: elections and campaigning over the next couple of years. The
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: level of security being required is actually looking like it
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: could seriously retard free and open debate.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Chris.
• 23:53
  Speaker 11: This is a fundamental attack on the freedom of association,
• 23:57
  Speaker 11: which you require in a democracy to have free and
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: fair elections. It's the same group of people on the
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: far left all the time trying to disrupt our democracy.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: It's particularly bad in.
• 24:06
  Speaker 11: Victoria with its lax laws, but we see this in
• 24:10
  Speaker 11: New South Wales too. We've seen that the Royal Commission today,
• 24:13
  Speaker 11: you know, issues around the police failing to move protesters
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: on who are causing disturbances. I think we've got to
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: stop trying to protect the peace and start protecting the peaceful.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a real worry.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I'm going to keep on this because we're going to
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: stamp this stuff out early before it shuts down political campaigning.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I want to you're just back from Garma, the Gama
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Festival in the Northern Territory, looking at all sorts of
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Indigenous issues. I want to refresh people's memory this promise
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: made by Anthony Albanezi at last year's Gama Festival.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: I commit here that every single year, as that I
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: have the great honor to be Australias Prime Minister, I
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: will be here and engaged with you.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Will we there every year.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Julian he broke that promise the first opportunity he had
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: to break and he's been on leave over the weekend instead.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: How did that go down in Garma? Was he missed?
• 25:09
  Speaker 11: Well Australian to know they can't trust Albin Easy. He
• 25:12
  Speaker 11: lies about energy policy, he lies about taxes, he lies
• 25:15
  Speaker 11: about to coming to the Indigenous Festival Garma. There was
• 25:18
  Speaker 11: lots of commentary about the fact that he wasn't there
• 25:21
  Speaker 11: and you can see the problem of not showing up.
• 25:23
  Speaker 11: Labour's Indigenous affairs policy has been a drift since the
• 25:26
  Speaker 11: Voice and that's why I was there because I wanted
• 25:29
  Speaker 11: to chart a new direction in Indigenous affairs focused on education,
• 25:33
  Speaker 11: wealth creation and suicide prevention. That's a refreshing change from
• 25:37
  Speaker 11: the government's TORPA for the last three years.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an important point because the Voice debate
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: was one and lost. We know but one thing at
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: least overtly that everybody on both sides of the debate argued,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: and that is they're all interested in trying to get
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: rid of Indigenous disadvantage in closing the gap after losing
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the Voice referendum, what has Labour done in that regard.
• 26:00
  Speaker 11: They've not done anything, And what we've seen with the
• 26:02
  Speaker 11: Closing the Gap data is effectively that there's been no
• 26:05
  Speaker 11: real change in the last five years. I was critical
• 26:08
  Speaker 11: of some of the Closing the Gap data because some
• 26:10
  Speaker 11: of the information we actually only get the information every
• 26:13
  Speaker 11: five years rather than every year. But the key thing
• 26:16
  Speaker 11: is having raised these issues of Indigenous disadvantage in the referendum,
• 26:20
  Speaker 11: the Prime Minister should have doubled down and said, right,
• 26:22
  Speaker 11: we're going to really focus on three or four issues.
• 26:25
  Speaker 11: So I've demonstrated the leadership that's been lacking by saying
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: here's three issues that I think aren't just key issues,
• 26:31
  Speaker 11: but they're things that if you get right, they will
• 26:33
  Speaker 11: have intergenerational benefits. If you get kids to school and
• 26:36
  Speaker 11: complete school, if you encourage Indigenous people into business and
• 26:40
  Speaker 11: make better use of their land, and if you deal
• 26:43
  Speaker 11: with the scourge of indigenous suicide, which is just it
• 26:46
  Speaker 11: goes up and up and up every Closing the Gap report.
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: We can't continue to just sweep it under the Carpetright.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Let's switch to politicking and the discussion about the coalition
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: versus One Nation. In elect politics, there's all this focus
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: will there be a coalition, won't there be a coalition?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I think both sides are saying they won't be a coalition.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: That's pretty clear.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: But there's a lot of ways that both one Nation
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: and the coalition could support each other before an election
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: and after an election without forming coalition. They can swap preferences,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: and then after an election they can support each other
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: for supply and the like.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Are you one of these people who.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Believes that the coalition needs to look at how it
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: can cooperate with one nation or are you in the
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: camp where you need to fight one nation like they're
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: a key political enemy.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Chris, I'm in the camp.
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: I've seen the coalition win as many seats as possible
• 27:37
  Speaker 11: and form government in its own right. That's what Australia
• 27:40
  Speaker 11: needs now, given that we've got this terrible Albanezy government
• 27:43
  Speaker 11: that's lost control of the economy, run our country into
• 27:45
  Speaker 11: the sand and divided a station.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: But is the way to win as many seats as
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: possible to work at least in some seats with one nation,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: or is the way to win more seats to fight
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: against one nation?
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: You know? I think the way to win as many
• 27:56
  Speaker 11: seats as possible is to come up with policies that
• 27:59
  Speaker 11: Australian will identify with. That's why I went to Garma
• 28:02
  Speaker 11: and talked about practical things like getting Indigenous kids to school,
• 28:05
  Speaker 11: like seeing them succeed in business, like dealing with suicide.
• 28:08
  Speaker 11: It's why in education I talk about things like the
• 28:11
  Speaker 11: back to Basics curriculum and ensuring that people have deep
• 28:14
  Speaker 11: discipline knowledge and that that they have direct instruction in
• 28:17
  Speaker 11: our classrooms. We have a curriculum that actually shows pride
• 28:20
  Speaker 11: in our history. Those are the sorts of policies that
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: I spend my time.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Developing pride in our history. Perish the thought was there
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: anyone from one.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Nation at Garma? I don't think so. Hmmm, be interesting,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: but I think you might be right. We would have
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: heard about it if they were. Thanks for joining us, Julian.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Thanks Julian and Lisa.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: They are the shadow Education Minister federally. Coming up after
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: the break, we asked the question whether the Muslim called
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: a prayer should echo out across a Sydney suburb.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: There's been a.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Fiery debate at Canterbury Bankstown Council in southwestern Sydney over
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: plans to install loud speakers at La Kember Mosque to
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: broadcast the call to prayer. Is Our News twenty four
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: reported on details of the proposal.
• 29:04
  Speaker 12: The Lebanese Muslim Association proposed a twenty three thousand dollars
• 29:08
  Speaker 12: plan that would have four speakers broadcast the call to
• 29:12
  Speaker 12: prayer every Friday for up to fifteen minutes. The proposal
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: was rejected last year after strong community opposition.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: The application is still up in the air.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: But have a look at one councilor's suggestion for residents
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: who are worried about the noise.
• 29:28
  Speaker 13: Well, if you are really annoyed about the bill or
• 29:30
  Speaker 13: about the sound of pack, close your windows.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I'm glad to find it. Pony.
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: That's that's excellent.
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: But here we're talking about we're talking about people and
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: freedom of religion and how you can do it.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Just close your windows.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Hey, let's bring in independent counselor Barbara Kouri, who has
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: campaigned against this proposal.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Barbara.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Tell us why you're worried about these loudspeakers and why
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: you think they're not the best thing for the suburb
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: of lakember.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: Well, Chris.
• 30:01
  Speaker 14: They're four speakers that will be placed on top of
• 30:04
  Speaker 14: the mosque, about twenty point five meters in height north, south,
• 30:09
  Speaker 14: east and west, and they.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: Will be.
• 30:15
  Speaker 14: It's an amplified call to prayer and they're fairly large
• 30:19
  Speaker 14: pieces of equipment. And the Lebanese Muslim Association has said
• 30:25
  Speaker 14: they they're bringing down the noise from I think it
• 30:28
  Speaker 14: was eighty three decibels last year in their application to
• 30:31
  Speaker 14: fifty three decibels. However, what the public does not know
• 30:35
  Speaker 14: is that the pieces of equipment that they're intending on
• 30:39
  Speaker 14: placing on top of the Lebanese Mosque in La Kember
• 30:45
  Speaker 14: will go to up to one hundred and twenty three decibels,
• 30:49
  Speaker 14: which is the sound of a rock concert or a jackhammer.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Well, this would be than that now, right, So you're
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: saying that they're pretty loud, and they're going to carry
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: a long way from that minaret tower. But would they
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: do this five times a day on a Friday? Do
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: they do it from dawn till sunset?
• 31:08
  Speaker 14: No, the proposal is at the moment, The proposal is
• 31:12
  Speaker 14: full on a Friday at midday up to fifteen minutes
• 31:17
  Speaker 14: Friday at the moment.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: See this, I think is an important point because we
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: all know that normally the call to prayer happens at sunrise,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: very early in the morning, and again at sunset. And
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: if you travel in Muslim countries you're used to that.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Surely in the middle of the day, it's not much
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: of a problem for anyone.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: Well, it is.
• 31:35
  Speaker 14: We have a lot of schools, we have churches, we
• 31:38
  Speaker 14: have people that work shift work, we have childcare centers,
• 31:44
  Speaker 14: we have nursing homes, and we have what they call
• 31:47
  Speaker 14: chris the right to the quiet enjoyment of your home.
• 31:52
  Speaker 14: And we have the right to practice our religion in
• 31:55
  Speaker 14: this country. But we do not have the right to
• 31:58
  Speaker 14: create an amenity problem when we do practice our religion.
• 32:02
  Speaker 14: When we practice our religion, we should be doing it
• 32:05
  Speaker 14: in silence and not creating an amenity problem for our neighbors.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: What does the mosque current? What does the mosque currently
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: do for It's a call to prayer.
• 32:15
  Speaker 14: They have a gentleman that stands at the top of
• 32:17
  Speaker 14: the stairs every Friday, and it's there is a call
• 32:23
  Speaker 14: to prayer by that person, and it affects nobody, and
• 32:26
  Speaker 14: it's quite That's what they've been doing from day one.
• 32:30
  Speaker 14: The mosque has been there since nineteen seventy seven.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: It's been very, very successful.
• 32:36
  Speaker 14: There's been no necessity to have a call to prayer
• 32:40
  Speaker 14: on an amplified you with such large pieces of equipment.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: I just don't understand it.
• 32:48
  Speaker 14: Mister Kir, the treasurer of the Lebanese Muslim Association, made
• 32:52
  Speaker 14: a statement in the media a couple of weeks ago
• 32:55
  Speaker 14: that this was not for the worshipers, this was for
• 32:57
  Speaker 14: the greater community, and I'd liked him. I would like
• 33:00
  Speaker 14: mister ket to explain what he means by that.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: See, if the call to prayer has been happening for many,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: many years without amplification at that mosque, in that community,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: that's fine. Why the need to amplify it at least
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: once a day. It's not going to alert anybody to
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: the call to prayer.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: They'll know about that already, as you say, it is.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: An interesting, interesting point that they're talking about actually changing
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: the character of the suburb with that call to prayer
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: on the products.
• 33:33
  Speaker 14: To me, Chris, it's sort of like a geopolitical dominance,
• 33:38
  Speaker 14: you know, and we can't have that in our local areas.
• 33:41
  Speaker 14: I mean, we have a number, we are a very
• 33:44
  Speaker 14: multicultural community. We have up to ninety nine different nationalities
• 33:49
  Speaker 14: that live in our area. We have you know, we
• 33:52
  Speaker 14: have forty one point seven percent of our population which
• 33:56
  Speaker 14: is Christian. We have twenty three point six percent which
• 33:59
  Speaker 14: is practice Islam. We have Buddhists six percent, Hindu two
• 34:04
  Speaker 14: point one percent, and there's seventeen points seven percent which
• 34:09
  Speaker 14: mister Keir does not understand practice no religion. They are
• 34:13
  Speaker 14: identified as secular or other religions.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: But for viewers, most of our viewers outside Sydney might
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: not be familiar with the canber Apart from the mosque.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Of course, it's a very strongly Muslim area.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: There are a lot of Arabic sides and shops and
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: a lot of Muslims in that area.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: But you're saying that many other people as well, of.
• 34:30
  Speaker 14: Course, absolutely, and look we've lived in harmony, peace and
• 34:35
  Speaker 14: harmony in our area. I was born and bred in
• 34:38
  Speaker 14: this area and I've represented this area with great honor.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: This is my fourth term on the council.
• 34:44
  Speaker 14: We were merged in twenty sixteen and when the new
• 34:48
  Speaker 14: council is elected in twenty seventeen, that's when all.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: The problems started.
• 34:52
  Speaker 14: And there's a real disconnect between Bankstown and Canterbury.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: We were the two councils.
• 34:57
  Speaker 14: Were merged and unfortunately the persons that are making this
• 35:02
  Speaker 14: the comments about the call to prayer don't live in
• 35:05
  Speaker 14: the area, never represented the old Canterbury area which is
• 35:09
  Speaker 14: where the mosque is.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Thanks for so, I'm sorry to cutch you off, Barbrua
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: just out of time. Appreciate that Barbara Curry councilor there
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: from the Cantery Bankstown Council.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: If the call to.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Prayer has worked effectively all these years without amplification, you
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: can understand why many people are resisting it.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Right now, after the break, we're going to talk about.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: The Bondai Royal Commission, because it's heard police downplay that
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: horrible opera house disgrace and also seeing a pro Palestinian
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: lawyer attack Israel.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Alex Richard will join me next.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: The Bondai Royal Commission today examined that horrible protest at
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: the Sydney Opera House on October the ninth, twenty twenty three.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: That is, two days after twelve hundred Israelis were slaughtered
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: when Hamas and other terrorists invaded and attacked from Gaza,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: taking more than two hundred and fifty hostages back with them.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Yet at the Opera House protests targeted Jews. Those scenes
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: sickened people around the world, and they heralded the start
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: of more than two years of escalating anti Semitism and
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Islamist extremism in this country, all the way up to
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: the Bondai massacre last year and beyond.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Yet listen to.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: The New South Wales police talk about the Opera House protest.
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: This protest has been one that we've spoken about for
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: the last three years. I can understand the heightened emotions
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: for someone watching that thinking how bad that looks. We're
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: talking hours of a protest that has been reduced to
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: seconds or minutes on a newscrap that has probably conflated
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: to make it more significant than what we would say
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: it was. As far as public safety goes, I'm not
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: talking about the intention behind it or how it might
• 37:23
  Speaker 8: make the Jewish community feel.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Obviously, it was pretty depressing to hear the police talk
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: down this incident, as I discussed with Alex Ritchin from
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the Executive Council of Australian Jury.
• 37:36
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it's disappointing and I'm not sure why the Deputy
• 37:40
  Speaker 13: Commissioner is embarking on this path. I mean, we saw
• 37:44
  Speaker 13: some horrific scenes out at the opera house. We saw
• 37:47
  Speaker 13: flares being led and directed the police. We saw Chance
• 37:50
  Speaker 13: of Oju's, the Army's Muhammada Cumming, we heard the notorious
• 37:54
  Speaker 13: Chance directed towards the Jewish community. And to say that
• 37:57
  Speaker 13: it was just seconds and has somehow been exaggerated, we
• 38:02
  Speaker 13: saw a Bondai. Within seconds, you can do immense damage,
• 38:06
  Speaker 13: you know, within twenty seconds eleven people were murdered, and
• 38:09
  Speaker 13: it takes seconds to direct heinous threats against the community.
• 38:12
  Speaker 13: So for the Commissioner to be downplaying in that way,
• 38:15
  Speaker 13: it's a curious choice. I'm not sure why he's doing it,
• 38:18
  Speaker 13: and I hope he reconsiders what he's saying, because it
• 38:21
  Speaker 13: seeks to it serves to downplay the severity of it
• 38:24
  Speaker 13: and its implications, which were severe for the community.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems to completely misunderstand what went on there
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: as well, because firstly, this was supposed to be a
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: night of mourning, a memorial for the victims, and Jewish
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: people could not go and do that because of this protest.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: But secondly, and perhaps more importantly, it was a direct threat.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: They were threatening Jewish Australians and intimidating them.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: And two years on, three years on, we can see
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: what that led to.
• 38:51
  Speaker 13: And look, that moment was a critical moment in the
• 38:54
  Speaker 13: history of this country, in the history of the last
• 38:56
  Speaker 13: three years, which culminated in Bondai. Of course, that was
• 39:00
  Speaker 13: the moment when the hatred that many felt towards the
• 39:03
  Speaker 13: Jewish community was publicly expressed without severe condemnation, without sanction,
• 39:08
  Speaker 13: without real postman for anybody. And then things escalated from
• 39:14
  Speaker 13: there day by day and got progressively worse for the
• 39:16
  Speaker 13: Jewish community. So you know, that's the moment that needs
• 39:19
  Speaker 13: to be understood for its gravity. And to hear a
• 39:22
  Speaker 13: senior police officer downplayed is really disappointing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you've got to let the Raw Commission run its course,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: but I would have thought leaders of the Jewish community
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: would be greatly worried about the direction of police in
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: the wake of those comments, because we know on that
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: night there was a legal protest at the town Hall
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: in Sydney, but under the direction of police, those protesters
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: were allowed to go to the Opera House where they
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: didn't have a permit to protest. There were no arrest
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: mads over those swearing and threats that were made at
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: that protest. Jewish people were warned to stay away. As
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: I mentioned before, it was a threat to Jewish Australians
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: and we saw that evolve into violence in the weeks
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: and months afterwards, and then the horrific trauma of the
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Bondai massacre. For the police not to accept culpability on
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: that night is deeply troubling.
• 40:15
  Speaker 13: And it's almost like an active historical revisionism because at
• 40:18
  Speaker 13: the time the police owned the mistake. The government admitted
• 40:21
  Speaker 13: that they got it wrong. There was an admission that
• 40:23
  Speaker 13: they probably didn't understand the severity of these protests and
• 40:27
  Speaker 13: the extremists of this movement. There was a belief that
• 40:29
  Speaker 13: if they let them let off a bit of steam,
• 40:31
  Speaker 13: it would kind of peter out and everything would return
• 40:34
  Speaker 13: to normal. But what actually happened was these protests became
• 40:37
  Speaker 13: an incubator for violent ideology, where week after week you
• 40:41
  Speaker 13: heard incitement against the Jewish community, incitement against Zionists as
• 40:44
  Speaker 13: being terrorists and supporters of genocide. You saw support for
• 40:48
  Speaker 13: terrorist organizations, anti Semitic slogans and chants. And this has
• 40:52
  Speaker 13: been accepted by the government and by the police. So
• 40:55
  Speaker 13: why are they now trying to almost walk that back
• 40:58
  Speaker 13: and diminish the significance of that moment. That moment was
• 41:01
  Speaker 13: extremely significant and poignant, and the fact that it wasn't
• 41:04
  Speaker 13: stopped at that time had horrific repercussions for the society
• 41:08
  Speaker 13: of ours.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I think you're right.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: I want to go do some more evidence before the
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Royal Commission today. And the person you're about to hear
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: from here is a lawyer for the Australian Palestinian Action Network.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: In other words, this is a lawyer representing the pro
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Palestinian anti Israel protests. Remember we are talking here about
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: the October the ninth, twenty twenty three protests, the protest
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: at the Opera House just two days after the atrocities
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: in Israel.
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  Speaker 9: And the context in relation to the events of seven
• 41:40
  Speaker 9: October twenty twenty three. Firstly, that in the period between
• 41:45
  Speaker 9: two thousand and eight and twenty twenty three seven October
• 41:49
  Speaker 9: twenty twenty three, roughly six six thousand, six hundred Palestinians
• 41:55
  Speaker 9: had been killed by the Israeli security forces.
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: That's the context, isn't known.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's your assertion. I wasn't prepared for this.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: There's no WAYE can actually comment on that.
• 42:12
  Speaker 15: I don't think you're going to get very far with
• 42:16
  Speaker 15: this line.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: I thank god the Raw Commissioner to shut her down there.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: But effectively you had a Palestinian advocate there dealing with
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: anti Semitism in Australia and effectively justifying.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: The threats made against Australian Jews.
• 42:30
  Speaker 13: It's incredible. It's a justification of Australian anti Semitism and
• 42:35
  Speaker 13: it's clearly an attempt to justify the atroses of October seven.
• 42:39
  Speaker 13: And the fact that the respected Jewish leader was pressed
• 42:41
  Speaker 13: on this point. You know they were trying to catch
• 42:44
  Speaker 13: them out, but I think they revealed themselves their pathology,
• 42:47
  Speaker 13: their mentality, how they see Israel and Israeli lives, how
• 42:50
  Speaker 13: they see the October seven attacks, and effectively how they
• 42:53
  Speaker 13: see everything that's been inflicted on the Jewish community in
• 42:55
  Speaker 13: this country, since there is a context to October seven,
• 42:59
  Speaker 13: and that context there's more than eighty years a violent
• 43:02
  Speaker 13: pastine rejection of Jewish self determination and statehood and embarking
• 43:07
  Speaker 13: on terrorism to deny the Jewish people the right to
• 43:10
  Speaker 13: live really in their own land. That's the context. But
• 43:12
  Speaker 13: the fact that this was put to a Jewish leader
• 43:16
  Speaker 13: in a Royal commission about Australi anti Semitism and a
• 43:18
  Speaker 13: slaughter at Bondai Beach, it's just preposterous and I'm glad
• 43:23
  Speaker 13: the Commissioner didn't allow. But it's revealing also what we
• 43:26
  Speaker 13: have to deal with in this country.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Alex in what was a pretty
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: disheartening day at the Royal Commission.
• 43:31
  Speaker 13: Thank you, Chris.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: We will get to a break now.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: On the other side, Czo Brian and Stephen Sena Tempe.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about a few things, including quantus flying jobs overseas.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in the Tuesday panel with Cazo Brian from
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: the Herald Sun and News Corp National Education Editor Stephen
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Senta Tempe Breakfast host two Double see he gets up.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: They're in the nation's capital. Goods to speak to both
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: of you again.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about house prices and Susie, this
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: is alarming, the stats showing just how far house prices
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: are going backwards, and the latest news out today from
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: NAB suggests it's going to be worse than people have
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: been predicting. They're saying that in Melbourne and Sydney house
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: prices will go down ten percent before they start to
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: pick up again.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:30
  Speaker 15: And it's interesting because there's a one small group of
• 44:33
  Speaker 15: maybe young home buyers that are going to benefit for
• 44:37
  Speaker 15: prices dropping by about one hundred thousand dollars. Everyone else
• 44:40
  Speaker 15: is going to get absolutely slogged developers who need confidence
• 44:45
  Speaker 15: in the market. But even people who are buying houses
• 44:48
  Speaker 15: are still holding off because they don't want to get
• 44:50
  Speaker 15: stuck with negative equity. And that actually means it doesn't
• 44:54
  Speaker 15: mean that you don't have money to pay on your loan.
• 44:57
  Speaker 15: It actually means that your house is worth less new
• 45:00
  Speaker 15: pay for it. And that's the big concern right now.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a hell of a problem, a hell of
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: a worry. People don't want to buy a depreciating asset.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Yet.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: One of the front benches for Labor, Tanya Plibosek, had
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: this to say on the weekend.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: Not in my lifetime.
• 45:16
  Speaker 12: Has there been a better time to be a first
• 45:18
  Speaker 12: home buyer in Australia.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that might have been yesterday.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: But Stephen, how about that, she says, get out there
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: and buy.
• 45:28
  Speaker 16: It's the delusion from government ministers. I think it was
• 45:31
  Speaker 16: at Richard Marles or Mark Butler that said today, Ah, look,
• 45:34
  Speaker 16: it's not as bad as everybody thinks it is. Look,
• 45:36
  Speaker 16: the reality is that if you're a first home buyer
• 45:38
  Speaker 16: trying to get into the market, at some point when
• 45:40
  Speaker 16: it bottoms out, it'll be a great time to get in.
• 45:43
  Speaker 16: But if you bought in the last ten years, you're
• 45:47
  Speaker 16: going to take a massive hit. If you bought thirty
• 45:48
  Speaker 16: forty years ago, well it's probably not going to make
• 45:51
  Speaker 16: that much difference to you overall.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: But the government, I know they want to make it easier.
• 45:56
  Speaker 16: Well they say they want to make it easier for
• 45:57
  Speaker 16: first home buyers to get into the market. But first
• 46:00
  Speaker 16: own buyers are abandoning the market as well, The investors
• 46:02
  Speaker 16: are abandoning. Everybody is getting out of the market. This
• 46:06
  Speaker 16: is having the absolute opposite effect to what they tell
• 46:08
  Speaker 16: us they want. But one wonders whether there's a well
• 46:11
  Speaker 16: the cynic in me says, maybe this is what they wanted.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, if that's so, they don't understand the way
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: the country works, because it's going to be a worry.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Think about people who signed off on a loan today,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: They're going to immediately see their asset depreciate over the
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: coming months, and that is not a good feeling.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: We all know that if you can keep up.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: The payments and write it out, then years down the
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: track you're going to be sitting pretty. But it's a
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: horrible feeling when you do owe more than the property
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: is worth. And you know, if you lose your job
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: or something goes wrong, you're absolutely stuck. So hope, let's
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: hope it doesn't get that bad for too many people.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: I want to move on to quantas Susie, and this
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: is a revealing story, isn't it. There's been a lot
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: of focus on Quatus because Alan Joyce has got a
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: book out, But the idea that cut costs and they're
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: using AI on whatever, they can ship a whole whole
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: lot more back office jobs to India. I don't think
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: this is the way people want the National Airline operating.
• 47:09
  Speaker 15: Yeah, you feel like the standard should be high for
• 47:12
  Speaker 15: our national airline. I was actually in Adelaide Airport on
• 47:15
  Speaker 15: the weekend and noticed Alan Joyce's Memoirs is already cut
• 47:20
  Speaker 15: price by ten bucks. It looks like no one's buying it.
• 47:22
  Speaker 15: Funnily enough, actually, my friends that I will always say
• 47:26
  Speaker 15: heard by that book. And look, Quantus does have a
• 47:31
  Speaker 15: pretty dubious record in terms of the way that it's
• 47:35
  Speaker 15: treated staff, particularly through COVID not to mention its customers.
• 47:40
  Speaker 15: So you would like to think that it has learned
• 47:42
  Speaker 15: something under the new CEO. But time will tell it. Certainly,
• 47:46
  Speaker 15: these signs.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Are not good. Yeah, I don't think I'll be picking
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: that book up. And I got a complain about it.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I was on a Quantify this morning actually, and I
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: think they've dropped the quiz from their magazine. What's the
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: point of the magazine if you don't have a quiz
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: in it?
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: But take that up with them another time.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Hey, I want to go to this footage Steve and
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: get your thoughts on this. A nurse in Brisbane was
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: dealing with a violent patient. It's horrible that nurses at
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: hospitals so often have to put up with these incidents.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: But a bit of.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Jiu jitsu came in handy here, as the nurse was
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: able to restrain this person without doing too much damage.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:25
  Speaker 16: Look, it's shocking when you see the level of violence
• 48:28
  Speaker 16: that's being directed towards medical staff these days. I mean,
• 48:30
  Speaker 16: we hear about it here on a weekly basis in
• 48:32
  Speaker 16: the act, and it's probably worse here than anywhere else.
• 48:34
  Speaker 16: But I mean, you know, great that this bloke had
• 48:37
  Speaker 16: a bit of martial arts and knowledge, but he shouldn't
• 48:39
  Speaker 16: have to. There's got to be some better way to
• 48:42
  Speaker 16: manage our particularly in the environment now where everybody seems
• 48:46
  Speaker 16: so amped up and people are just so aggressive. We
• 48:49
  Speaker 16: need to be able to protect our frontline workers.
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 48:52
  Speaker 16: There should have been security in that building so that
• 48:54
  Speaker 16: a bloke and scrubs doesn't have to tackle a bloke
• 48:56
  Speaker 16: that's being aggressive. It's just we need to do more
• 48:59
  Speaker 16: to protect people like the guy that protected himself.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It is a bit of a worry. I
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: want to finish on the Royals this story.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Suddenly I'm not very interested in royal stories, as you know,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: but suddenly this has got me interested.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: The idea of Harry returning to the Fold.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Now his father, the King, King Charles, apparently wants to
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: welcome him back, Susie, I understand that the prodigal son.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: You don't care what he's done or said. You want
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: your son back, welcome him back. But apparently his brother,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Prince William, of course, the heir apparent, he's very wary.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: About this because he's worried it will damage the royal brand.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a blog who has accused the
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Royals of being racist for instance.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 49:40
  Speaker 15: Yeah, well, I think Prince William has always said that
• 49:42
  Speaker 15: racist comment was what really stuck with him. He really
• 49:46
  Speaker 15: hated it, and of course the poor relationship between Meghan
• 49:50
  Speaker 15: and Kate. But you can understand I was gonna say,
• 49:54
  Speaker 15: Prince Charles, you can understand the king wanting to make
• 49:57
  Speaker 15: up with his son. He's got cancer, he's not that well,
• 50:01
  Speaker 15: you know, you can imagine that he just wants to
• 50:04
  Speaker 15: have some sort of reuniting, but it's not going to
• 50:07
  Speaker 15: be completely through the whole family. Prince William does not
• 50:11
  Speaker 15: want a bar of it.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Only ten seconds Stephens Stephen welcoming back, but make sure
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: he apologizes, right, yeah, I think so.
• 50:19
  Speaker 16: But having said that, the Kings clearly aware of his
• 50:22
  Speaker 16: mortality and he's got a lot more class than the
• 50:24
  Speaker 16: Duke of Montecito does.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Stephen and Susie.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: We'll catch you next week. It's now time for Peter Kredlin.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow