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Felicity: Season 4 Episodes 15+16 - The Paper Chase + Ben Don't Leave · Shit 90s Shows Taught Me | Felicity/ Buffy the Vampire Slayer/ Boy Meets World / Dawson's Creek/ 90s TV

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[SPEAKER_08]: Sometimes a world looks like you ain't ever seen it before.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Just be how never ended with those, how you need as a door.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Searching for something to put a smile back on your face.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Just remembering unusual times that can come from on an usual place.
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[SPEAKER_08]: I need a partner for a ride Cause everybody needs a ride Such a bird is to the side Just ask See the word and I'll be there Just ask
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[SPEAKER_08]: I know the greatest things in the life I'll come in a pair They say hindsight's twenty twenty That ain't far enough behind me So we can walk this sweetest honey I think hindsight's nineteen nineteen Isn't need to pretend I got a hand I can land Who's like you really need a friend Just ask
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[SPEAKER_07]: Shit, ninety shows, dot me.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Shit, ninety shows, dot me was not filmed before live studio audience.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you ready to plagiarize a massive paper just as you're about to graduate?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Neither are we.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to Shit, ninety shows, dot me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just erling here with my co-host, Sarah Humphrey.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah, how are you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Really bad?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really bad?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a bad place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're in the bad place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always knew I would end up there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you've ever seen the good place.
1:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I have I love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I would ever get enough points to actually wind up in the good place, but we're definitely in the bad place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the bad place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And here's the situation folks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to lay out the lay of the land here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This show is driving us crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're doing things that are just so bad all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's awful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we had a meeting and said, we're going to cover two episodes this week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, um, one because we desperately need to get through season four and two because I will be away next weekend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so this guy's really kind of worked out that way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry, we're still mostly going to be covering episodes solo, or yeah, one at a time, basically, for the remainder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But today, we're covering two episodes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you play on this podcast and didn't realize that we're going to be talking about episodes, fifteen and sixteen, we're going to talk about them separately.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you could probably pause down at somewhere in the middle or whatever, but just let and you know, in case any spoiler reach sort of things come up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fifteen and sixteen, the paper trace and Ben don't leave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be talking about them both today, Sarah.
3:02
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so considerate of you, Jessica, to give a heads up.
3:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't want to ruin people's day.
3:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if they are watching along with us and don't want to be spoiled, I don't want them to be spoiled.
3:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I just have to let the people know that Felicity both the show and the character on my last nerve right now because what are we doing here?
3:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Felicity, the character is literally the stupidest fucking idiotic bitch that I've ever seen in my life.
3:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I have never been so infuriated with a character in a good hot while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not even because she cheated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, those stupid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't that I think that what sent me over the edge was when she dropped the book in the trash right in front of the librarian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believeable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a little livable.
3:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I am furious of all the things that every character did in this episode to piss me off because we need to like step-by-step, okay?
4:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Ballicity cheats, right?
4:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever, who cares?
4:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I care, but whatever.
4:08
[SPEAKER_02]: She goes in, is like, have to destroy the evidence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
4:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to go get this thesis from the library and destroy it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And by destroy it, what I'm going to do is walk into a crowded library where a ton of people are just hanging around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will take said thesis, which is a fairly thick book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Drop it from a great height.
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[SPEAKER_00]: into a trash can makes a ton of noise and draws attention to the fact that I just threw out a book in the library and she get caught shocking shocking I don't I don't even care okay like so we could back it up a little bit Felicity is in this art history class with Megan never seen them before in an art history class but out of nowhere there in our history class Jane Lynch is the teacher we don't like Jane Lynch because
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, she was mean to Pacey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number two, she said female potcasters have great voices.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have beef with Jane Lynch for years and years and years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's number one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whenever I see Jane Lynch on my screen, I'm like, this bitch is on my shit list.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, they're really getting away because I don't want to watch her because I'm annoyed by her and also she's never had a different haircut in like for thirty years, never.
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[SPEAKER_02]: which is just kind of wild.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know if it's impressive or just like, change it out to everyone's side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I don't know if I've had a different haircut in thirty years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in thirty years, you've probably, that's insane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, there was one time I got bangs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And your hair was dark for a hot second.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we're not out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I've dyed my hair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just think like, Jenna really changed your hair here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And furthermore,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Jane Lynch is the one with the grading voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Has she ever considered that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Has she ever considered that her ears don't work properly?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because maybe that's the problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're a little good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, so she's the teacher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have to write this big, how many page?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thirty page paper.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Never had to listen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I'm awake till the night before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And her reasoning,
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[SPEAKER_02]: which maybe makes sense to some people, but didn't make any sense to me was I've been so stressed out about Ben having a baby that I haven't worked on this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Megan is an idiot also and gives terrible fucking advice of like, go steal one from the thesis thing and also like again, destroy the evidence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like if you're there that late at the library,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Put that thesis in your book bag and walk on out with it.
6:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Like why did you leave it at the library?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It should be an intuitive thing, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like most people that commit crimes try to cover up the crime.
7:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just like human nature, you know, to try to bury things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But not felicity because she's the stupidest person in the entire world.
7:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like how I think that
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[SPEAKER_00]: The guy that Megan said does this all the time, and like his little girl in caught once.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that this is the same man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I forget his name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Eddie or something something with an E. He has been like a reoccurring like my friend blank.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, which I do appreciate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to complain a lot about, I guess, like consistency with the characters continuity, but I do like how that is like a litter, a little Easter egg, like she's mentioned that Ernie Ernest.
7:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, something is ready because she remembers she went out with that Eddie that one time, but he was a douchebag, so maybe it wasn't him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: something with an E. I do like that, but I'm not even mad at Felicity, because you know what the thing about cheating, because sometimes you have to beg cheat and steal in this world.
8:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes we are in a bad spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes we have to do a little cheaties.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guarantee you, like, ninety percent of the work that is handed into colleges these days are written by chat GBT.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't have that option back in the day, but if I had the option to, I don't know, find a random paper in a book or go do ship from chat GPT.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I probably would have done it too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even matter her that she cheated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was stupid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's stupid to not hide the evidence and it's stupid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to not like
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[SPEAKER_00]: it anticipate that it's going to be so easily clocked.
8:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, here's, yeah, I totally agree with you because while I think I understand the like, wow, I have no time, I'm just going to cheat.
9:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One, cover your tracks if you're going to cheat, right?
9:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Two, I feel like you should at least somewhat read what you're then copying because of someone like quizzes you on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, first of all, don't pick something that is so good that it will get published.
9:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a thing that is so, so, so well written that you're going to get accolades for it, shoot for like a bee, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, emphoracy, emphor something
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[SPEAKER_02]: attainable, attainable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was also really fucking stupid, craziest thing because you know, this is not like nowadays where you could copy and paste, Felicity had literally had to transcribe from the book.
9:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you're putting that much effort into it, then change some, change some shit around.
9:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, making the graphs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like your couple of people do better.
9:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't understand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you're going to cheat, I really hope she didn't do a word for word.
10:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't like that would have been or like it's your new topic is Monet.
10:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think that her original thought was like Georgia O'Keefe.
10:11
[SPEAKER_00]: She couldn't find a dissertation that aligned with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like take multiple, I don't know.
10:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why I'm justifying the cheating thing.
10:20
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just stupid.
10:22
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just some of the entire the entire storyline, the entire situation.
10:25
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all stupid.
10:26
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all stemming from her stressors with Ben and the baby because Ben gets an ultrasound photo, which like obviously makes it a little more real, right?
10:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's like, oh my god, the kid has a face now, like it's actually happening.
10:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And Ben is making
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[SPEAKER_02]: efforts to be more involved in Lauren's life and because he's like, well, if I'm involved, maybe she won't move to Arizona.
10:51
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's like trying to fix plus his computer, which I feel like these people have confused so many computer issues, every single episode.
10:58
[SPEAKER_02]: And he gets distracted because Lauren calls because she wants him to attend Lamas classes with him.
11:03
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the most ninety storyline that has ever existed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Every person on every show that's pregnant goes to Lamas class.
11:10
[SPEAKER_02]: You could still go to Lamas class.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like it doesn't exist anymore, but I feel like I can watch every television and learn how to Lamas breathe without paying however much money costs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he,
11:29
[SPEAKER_00]: two fold like she a couple of episodes she encouraged him to be involved in the baby's life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said this is not you to not be and then to get jealous that he is looking at the baby with like awe or interest or like emotion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like kind of insulting that like part of it is she's like
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[SPEAKER_02]: resentful of how much their lives are going to change because of this baby.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, yes, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, break up with Ben.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you don't want your life to change, like, I'm sorry, but there's really a few options.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And one of them is breaking up with him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she doesn't want to do that.
12:12
[SPEAKER_02]: So sorry, you're going to have to deal with the fact that now he's got to go pregnant and Lauren is a part of your life, whether you like it or not, because her and your boyfriend are having a baby together.
12:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that is absolutely correct.
12:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And if it's something that Felicity is not comfortable with, understood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like truly I understand that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I, especially at twenty one years old, cannot imagine being in a relationship with a person that has a child, slash like your active boyfriend, like it's a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then you have to leave the situation, which is also valid sucks for everybody involved.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I really can't fault Ben for
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[SPEAKER_00]: wanting to be going to the Lamas class or looking at the ultrasound.
13:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's such a bad situation for him as well, to have to like try to hide these things from Felicity.
13:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it is so, so obvious that these people don't have the emotional capacity to be in a relationship, be a father slash stepmother respectively.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they, they're not ready for this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's, this is what causes Felicity to like feel like she needs to cheat because she's behind and she's like distracted and all this other stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what's going on with Felicity and Ben.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, because, and we also find out that towards the end of the episode, Lauren is moving to Arizona no matter what, like she's, she's getting out.
13:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Which I was like, good, go to Arizona, please, this is the move.
13:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but then they made this decision that then they're Ben and Felicity will not be going to Arizona, right?
14:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Which I just feel like I just feel bad for Lauren in this particular episode in this one only because He's really jerking her around and yeah, I think that was Lauren says in the second episode is really valid like he
14:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Ben and Felicity are Uber selfish and self-centered because well, let's say, yeah, because Felicity, I think, should be taken out of this equation altogether, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, even though she is the reason Ben is so against moving because let's face it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If Felicity's out of the picture,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there is a choice of like, okay, I can go to med school in New York or I could go to med school in Arizona and be near my baby.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think he would choose Arizona.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Felicity is the only reason he's not going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think that's on Felicity to make that decision to say you should go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's not Ben to be like, I have to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
15:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I do agree with that, but I don't think that Ben is communicating this shit with Lauren.
15:06
[SPEAKER_00]: So then Lauren is just sitting there trying to make up stories or figure out what's happening.
15:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that from her perspective, she is probably making the assumption that
15:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Felicity is like strong arming bend to stay in New York.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is not the case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the truth is that both Ben and Felicity are like the most wishy, washi people in the universe, both of them combined.
15:33
[SPEAKER_00]: But I really dislike how Ben is going back and forth to Lauren like
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to come.
15:39
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you should stay in New York.
15:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you should go.
15:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I can make you stay, but the lawyer says that I don't think I'll win the case.
15:48
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's more if you won't win the case, you idiot.
15:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this is insane.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't explain to you the level of like frustration and anger I had whenever anyone kept talking about like, oh, I'm going to go to a lawyer and like, I'm sorry, but like you are twenty something like one years old.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This woman should go to Arizona.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you are the one being selfish.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like this is ridiculous.
16:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It really truly is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It really is.
16:16
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so just frustrating to watch the whole thing.
16:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I continue to be on leg nobody's side throughout this whole stuff, especially as things evolve in four, six, ten.
16:34
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, to finish out the plagiarism storyline for the first half.
16:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I was so, it's once again such like a TV thing to be like, oh, you have to go to the teacher, the professor, the principal's office, whatever.
16:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, Felicity got caught, but I totally called it.
16:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, this is a golden orchid situation.
17:02
[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't know a golden orchid is in pretty little liars, the book and the series.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Spencer Hastings, who is typically a really brilliant student, was really stressed out about something going on, and she too stole her sisters award-winning paper on like Russian literature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Long story short, she went like gets nominated for this award because it was such a good paper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And basically, you know, she thinks that she's getting in trouble, but in actuality, she is nominated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think later on, wins the golden orchid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's exactly what the shit is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a golden orchid situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And essentially, the Jane Lynch is like, your paper is the most brilliant paper that I've ever read.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to nominate it.
17:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's at this time Felicity should really be like,
18:02
[SPEAKER_00]: things, but no thanks.
18:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but then like also, I guess, maybe that's like suspicious.
18:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really.
18:11
[SPEAKER_02]: This is, I think this is the, this is the point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think if you're, if you're gonna be selfie about destroying the evidence, then you're fine.
18:20
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you're not gonna do that, or if you get caught, doing that, the move is to own up now.
18:26
[SPEAKER_02]: own up now before they submit it to be like an award-winning paper because I'm just saying like, I think there are there are moments where I feel like these were the opportunities that were missed.
18:40
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the best.
18:41
[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of them, but honestly, okay, so Felicity is a senior.
18:47
[SPEAKER_00]: She essentially has like half a semester left of school and then she's supposed to be graduating.
18:52
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?
18:54
[SPEAKER_00]: It depends on how she owns up to it.
18:57
[SPEAKER_00]: She can try to explain to the professor.
18:59
[SPEAKER_00]: These are my situations.
19:00
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what's going on.
19:01
[SPEAKER_00]: My life is in a crisis.
19:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I did something that's super out of character.
19:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I please rewrite the paper and then at the minimum you can give me a C?
19:10
[SPEAKER_00]: like if I get like if this is like a quality work, then give me a seat, you know?
19:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And then if anything else you like fail me, then you have to beg and hope that Jane Lynch won't escalate it to the deans or to the advisory board.
19:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that she thinks that there is absolutely no hope in that.
19:30
[SPEAKER_00]: So she just does it.
19:32
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, oh my gosh, if I admit it, I'm not going to be able to graduate.
19:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to retake this class.
19:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to have to be an extra semester or do summer classes, which is probably more likely.
19:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, she has to retake this class during the summer than she still walk.
19:47
[SPEAKER_00]: in the spring, which actually she might, that is probably maybe what's going to happen.
19:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I know that she's still going to graduate for sure.
19:56
[SPEAKER_00]: She's going to graduate.
19:57
[SPEAKER_00]: She's going to walk, but I wouldn't be surprised if she has to retake that class in the summer.
20:03
[SPEAKER_00]: If she's lucky.
20:04
[SPEAKER_02]: If she's lucky.
20:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
20:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe I do think though that like this is the moment.
20:09
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the time that you you own up to it and there's just zero percent chance in my mind that Felicity doesn't graduate like there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no shot that there that she's gonna have to stay a whole year.
20:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're right.
20:22
[SPEAKER_00]: If anything, you're a summer.
20:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
20:25
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, but there has to be some recap, especially because it's deleted.
20:30
[SPEAKER_02]: But you're like, we'll talk about that in an episode six, but we'll talk through that whole thing because there are no consequences for literally anybody on the show ever.
20:37
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll, we'll see.
20:40
[SPEAKER_00]: The stakes couldn't be lower.
20:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we, um, and this episode with Felicity gained hold that she has to go somebody from the committee of somebody, recognize the paper.
20:54
[SPEAKER_00]: She has to go into this meeting.
20:56
[SPEAKER_00]: site her sources.
20:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Jane Lynch is like, this is stupid.
21:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that you didn't do anything, which is another opportunity.
21:04
[SPEAKER_00]: We're Felicity.
21:05
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the second opportunity.
21:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because you're hearing from your professor.
21:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I've stood up for you.
21:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe you.
21:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you don't want to make this woman look like a fool.
21:15
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, that's going to be so much worse for you.
21:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, she winds a feeling.
21:19
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the Felicity that I was gouged and gagged.
21:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was like, are you fucking kidding me?
21:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And not even like there's times where nolda stuff where I'm like, this fucking moron idiot, I love it.
21:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I love the mess.
21:33
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just stupid.
21:34
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this was dumb and I hate
21:38
[SPEAKER_02]: cheating storylines like they give me such anxiety.
21:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I really hate this.
21:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate the thought of someone like being in trouble for cheating and plagiarizing and all that stuff because it is a very serious thing which I do think like Megan just is like what world what planet do you live on where you think this isn't a big deal like even in the nineties early odds this was still a big deal like it's gotten it's it's more of a big deal now I'd say than anyone was then but like it was still a big
22:07
[SPEAKER_02]: to the plagiarize.
22:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that she is just, I don't know, we hear so many of these storylines.
22:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I've heard so many times in like Greek storylines, college storylines, there's a place, a safe somewhere, a filing
22:27
[SPEAKER_00]: cabinet somewhere with every single paper and every single test ever written that is at access.
22:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it is like I hear it's so much or there's some dude that like a selling papers if you call this mysterious number.
22:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I've heard that a billion times.
22:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just like one of those storylines.
22:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't feel like a season one, two, three Felicity would ever do this.
22:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It's
22:54
[SPEAKER_00]: terrible.
22:54
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like this girl got a lobotomy and then she's totally different who she was.
22:59
[SPEAKER_00]: The disconnect is so apparent in this season that it's insulting to the show.
23:05
[SPEAKER_00]: It's insulting to the character Felicity in the first couple seasons and insulting to us as the viewers for getting up with us.
23:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
23:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
23:15
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's that.
23:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Anything, okay, so Noel is fucking around with Zoe.
23:23
[SPEAKER_00]: So looks like the other blonde bitches.
23:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Literally just Ruby, but the main thing with Noel this episode is that Sean sucks at his job.
23:32
[SPEAKER_02]: And because Noel is the one who brought him into the job, the boss is like, listen, get your partner's street or we're gonna fire him because he's dumb and he sucks at sales.
23:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And he, Sean is, here's the thing.
23:46
[SPEAKER_02]: At this point in the show, I truly feel like we have taken a piece of someone's personality and like we have made them a caricature of who they want to wear on the show because he has this like feps thing of like, oh, you, you affirm handshake and then leaning or like some
24:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I can I contact I think and then it was all stupid and like he's so obviously making people uncomfortable and it is very frustrating to watch them like make Sean into like a cartoon character at this point.
24:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we have
24:24
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the same as that complaint with the last season of Boy Means World where everybody was just like a character to serve themselves.
24:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember if we, I know we felt that way about Cory.
24:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that we felt that way about Eric to a lesser extent to Panga.
24:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Sean was the only one throughout the entire series that I felt like stayed pretty consistent on to himself.
24:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's, and I can think
24:49
[SPEAKER_00]: to friends as well.
24:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think that like how stupid they made Joey or like how, um, like Ross's, Ross's decisions were really stupid in the last season of friends too.
25:03
[SPEAKER_00]: He just was like an idiot.
25:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the only thing that I like about Ross and the last season of, um, friends was when he said Margaritas, uh, I still.
25:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, everything's fun.
25:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi.
25:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, because it's so me coated.
25:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm going to make fun.
25:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
25:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:22
[SPEAKER_00]: That's actually like my favorite Ross lines as well.
25:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Really.
25:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Truly.
25:29
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good one.
25:30
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good one.
25:31
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good one.
25:32
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a crush and late for it to be in the final season is like pretty incredible, especially because yeah, but anyway,
25:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so that's going on with Sean and Nolan.
25:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And like Sean takes this so poorly.
25:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Nolan's trying to do his best to like not talk to Sean about this, which seems short-sighted, like you've at least need to say to him, hey, you need to pivot in your tactics, but instead he just tries to like brush it under the rug and Sean being Sean takes over the room as always.
26:00
[SPEAKER_02]: And
26:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's Sean quits because he's being a big stupid baby about the whole situation.
26:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Luckily, he's able to get his job back at the very end.
26:11
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just like so frustrating.
26:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
26:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very, very frustrated by this.
26:16
[SPEAKER_02]: No has a decent episode, but honestly, it's more because everyone else is so awful that like by comparison, no listen that bad.
26:25
[SPEAKER_02]: If no would have a better episode, if he, I don't know, had a conversation with Sean about this.
26:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of like, but instead of he like waits until like gets to a boiling point and you just like blows up on him, it's pretty awkward because the boss does not want to have this direct conversation with Sean because he says that he gets into a meeting with Sean.
26:44
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to wind up firing him.
26:47
[SPEAKER_00]: So he puts this on to know which
26:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And actually, it's not like no is Sean supervisor.
26:54
[SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of at equal levels.
26:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to know, like, who is the supervisor of no and Sean because it shouldn't be the CEO of the company you would think or like the or maybe not CEO, but like main partner of the design firm.
27:12
[SPEAKER_00]: So I found it like
27:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, really silly that, um, yes, that and like unfair to this happens on TV all the time.
27:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like this actually happened with Felicity where it was like we're gonna fire you because of like someone and it like it may no sense and this happens on TV all the time where it's like this isn't how this works like just fire the person who's the problem.
27:37
[SPEAKER_02]: What are we doing?
27:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do like how no, I know that no gets frustrated, but I also appreciate that he his first instincts is like no like Sean's my partner.
27:49
[SPEAKER_00]: We come as a pair.
27:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think that you should abandon the ship, but I do like his loyalty and I like how like Sean he accuses
28:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Noah being disloyal, but after having a conversation with that boss, he tasted back in apologizes.
28:08
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought he was like, oh, Noah was loyal to me.
28:11
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, yeah, Dick, like, why don't you like give him the benefit of the doubt that he was trying to help you out.
28:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm curious.
28:17
[SPEAKER_02]: The last storyline in this episode was so awful.
28:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it aged so poorly.
28:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically.
28:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Hover and Rita are hanging out.
28:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Turns out Rita has a new boyfriend, and so she wants her to meet him.
28:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Hover here seems a little jealous in the beginning anyway, because like, oh, Rita's found someone, but he hasn't found someone yet.
28:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And when he meets her new boyfriend, he immediately is like, oh, no, I know this guy because he dated a guy, I know.
28:46
[SPEAKER_02]: They can't hit.
28:48
[SPEAKER_02]: What is this?
28:49
[SPEAKER_02]: People must be either gay or straight.
28:53
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no in the screen.
28:54
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, yeah.
28:55
[SPEAKER_02]: It aged so poorly because then hobby air doesn't talk to Rita about it.
29:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't talk to, well, he waits a really long time to talk to Rita's new boyfriend about it who denies it.
29:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Rita's new boyfriend breaks up with Rita because I guess he is gay and was using her as like a beard or something, but it's like, people can be bisexual.
29:17
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you doing?
29:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it was really awkward because he did tell Rita, Rita was kind of mean to him.
29:26
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, your jealous me blah, blah, blah, blah.
29:29
[SPEAKER_00]: The holding was like pretty silly once again.
29:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like if we made it, like, I don't know, at least kind of witty, like kind of funny.
29:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, that's actually my twin.
29:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm a identical twin or something.
29:42
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, I felt like it, what?
29:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it just felt just so, such a waste of time.
29:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it really was.
29:52
[SPEAKER_02]: This is what I'm talking about when I say, we don't need up year to have his own storylines because like, wow, the waste of space, that story line was, yeah, totally.
30:05
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, well, that's episode fifteen, the paper chase.
30:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So if that is all you've seen of Felicity, hip pause here, and then come back and we're going to talk about Ben Don'tly, which is episode sixteen.
30:17
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll give you a second to come watch the episode.
30:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, now that you've watched the episode, this fucking episode.
30:25
[SPEAKER_02]: It's awful.
30:26
[SPEAKER_00]: It was so bad.
30:28
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just so stupid.
30:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay, I don't know.
30:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Where do you want to start?
30:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I feel like all of it was just got awful.
30:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really stupid.
30:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Can we please just get the Richard Alina stuff out of the way?
30:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I hate it.
30:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, that's time for the first thing that comes to mind.
30:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But like when you do, it's like, okay, you know what?
30:48
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't used two of our main characters, Richard and Alina in a while.
30:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just throw them together.
30:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Put them into a situation that has no character development.
30:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, some character development, all about doing is being like, hey,
31:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you noticed Elaina's black and she only hangs out with white folks?
31:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's truly what it feels like they were like, huh?
31:09
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know this yet.
31:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but like, I think it's almost interesting.
31:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's not well done because why would it be?
31:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's an interesting conversation to have to see like Elaina be, it would have been so much more interesting she had it with Tracy or with Dave Vaughn, was that his name?
31:31
[SPEAKER_00]: With Keenan.
31:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't remember his character's name.
31:36
[SPEAKER_00]: It was so much more interesting if she had that conversation with a black boyfriend of like, why or father?
31:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you hanging out all with white people?
31:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I didn't really notice that maybe it has something to do with the fact that I was always ashamed growing up.
31:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's a very interesting compelling
31:56
[SPEAKER_00]: probably relatable storyline obviously you and I relate the whitest bitches that ever lived but I could watch that and like appreciate it because in a lesser extent like I will wait I can relate to that because I've been I was one three Jewish kids in my school like I always felt different and I always wanted to like hide that part of me away like I could
32:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I, if I had that storyline a season two ago, I would be like, wow, I really have really to Elena.
32:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm like feeling like these like feelings of compassion towards her.
32:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Instead they did some like sort of bullshit where Richard was like something really inappropriate.
32:36
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a black eye situation.
32:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Then he's like, I do once again, I almost think it was interesting when Richard was like, oh, that's interesting.
32:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you always wanted to
32:48
[SPEAKER_00]: like fit in everywhere I always wanted to be different I'm just like a basic bitch like I did almost appreciate that just like everything in the middle was so not well done that it was just like I just felt like
33:03
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to include these two because we haven't in a bit.
33:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's create a storyline, but they have nothing in common.
33:10
[SPEAKER_00]: They haven't hung out in four seasons.
33:12
[SPEAKER_00]: What can we do?
33:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know some sort of like bullshit.
33:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
33:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I think you're right.
33:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And if this conversation that Elena had
33:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Even even if they wanted to do the Richard invites Elena to this party because she's black and he thinks it'll give him cloud or like make him look like accepting or whatever, right?
33:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Then have Elena have the following conversation with another person of color like
33:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Because what ends up happening is we get richer trying to defend himself and argue that he's not racist and I have black friends and all the other normal, like, or excuse me, not normal, like the routine shit that we hear in this sort of storyline.
33:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Instead of giving voice to the people of color and hearing their thoughts and opinions on the matter.
34:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Instead, they have to coddle the people that should fucking know better.
34:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, Richard deserved to be punched in the face.
34:13
[SPEAKER_02]: You're an absolute asshole.
34:15
[SPEAKER_02]: First of all, the fact that you even dragged Elena along on this quote unquote date, and then only to use her to get with some other person is already pretty despicable and disgusting.
34:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Then to make matters worse, it's because she's black.
34:33
[SPEAKER_02]: You deserve to be punched in the face, full on.
34:37
[SPEAKER_02]: And a poor Elena is put in the situation where she has to sit there and listen to this fucking idiots apology.
34:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's just like so frustrating because we have not gotten, I don't know, like we've got like two story lines from Elena this entire season.
34:50
[SPEAKER_02]: And now this is the storyline we're giving her.
34:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, are you kidding me?
34:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, way to make her the token black character on the show.
34:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
34:59
[SPEAKER_02]: But like we're just like, we're really showing it now, you know?
35:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's absolutely lazy.
35:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, absolutely.
35:07
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, how can we slot these two people in?
35:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't know.
35:12
[SPEAKER_00]: This, I don't think this was it.
35:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, maybe if you didn't make Elena's storyline completely revolve around.
35:23
[SPEAKER_00]: school or men, like maybe she would have more to work with throughout the rest of the series, but it's kind of like, well, she gone to my school, check.
35:34
[SPEAKER_00]: We can't really do anything there.
35:37
[SPEAKER_00]: She's not really dating anybody, but that's fine.
35:40
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, I don't know, it's pretty stupid.
35:44
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just very frustrating.
35:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and again, we are the way to stick around.
35:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's not, we can't really speak to a lot of like, Elena's experiences.
35:53
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just very frustrating when like, that is the sole story that she's getting.
35:57
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, I do think it's interesting, but I don't think it's interesting how they did it.
36:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't know.
36:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's wish that they gave her more
36:08
[SPEAKER_00]: more like more breathing room to explore that storyline.
36:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Not have it be like a one episode thing and then just tie it up in a cute little bow.
36:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
36:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:19
[SPEAKER_00]: But whatever.
36:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:20
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
36:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk through Nolan Sean and Zoe because Sean decides again to be super annoying this episode because he's like, oh my god.
36:30
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like
36:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the beginning of relationships is the best part because you just fucking all the time.
36:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Megan, I obviously don't fucking anymore.
36:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just gonna complain about it.
36:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm gonna point out that you must have flaws in your relationship because you haven't fucked yet.
36:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, what the fuck, Sean?
36:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he gets, and then he makes matters so much worse by like, through hearsay, being like, yeah, that guy over there, that's, that's Zoe's ex.
36:55
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's wrong.
36:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's wrong.
36:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's a lot of like hearsay.
37:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he said she said I heard from this other person in the office.
37:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, he's wrong.
37:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And it, and once again, it's just like, I don't really care about Zoe because I just met her a couple of episodes ago.
37:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, I know that Null's not gonna end up with Zoe.
37:17
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, why should I give this shit about it?
37:19
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, we're like doing this shit with Zoe.
37:22
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not sleeping together.
37:24
[SPEAKER_02]: So three weeks or something like there's a disagreement about how long it actually was because there was that like they weren't official right away or whatever, right?
37:33
[SPEAKER_02]: But let's say they've been dating two or three weeks.
37:36
[SPEAKER_02]: That does not feel like a super long amount of time to be like, oh my god, why haven't we had sex yet?
37:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's not a long time.
37:45
[SPEAKER_00]: No, some people take longer, and it's totally fine.
37:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like whatever you're comfortable with.
37:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think no, I mean, maybe no, it was wanting it, but I'm not good for it.
37:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I really didn't.
37:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know we were supposed to read it as romantic, but no,
38:03
[SPEAKER_02]: showing up late at night.
38:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this is like the early odd version of like a booty call, except it's the reverse booty call.
38:11
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like a show up and want sex call.
38:14
[SPEAKER_02]: No brings wine ice cream, all this other stuff.
38:19
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you could say that it's a kind thing to do.
38:22
[SPEAKER_02]: But when you have an ulterior motive of seeing if someone wants to fuck you, when you bring over these things, it is not romantic.
38:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's manipulative and not good.
38:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're saying that no crane has been appealing.
38:34
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a revolutionary thing to say.
38:36
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just so frustrating.
38:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Because again, they want you to think that this is romantic, but it's not.
38:42
[SPEAKER_02]: He's testing her.
38:44
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, hmm, if I show up late enough and apply her with wine and ice cream, will she open her legs for me?
38:51
[SPEAKER_02]: It's sick.
38:52
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like disgusting.
38:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And it puts Zoe in the most uncomfortable situation where she is then forced to defend why she doesn't want to have sex with him yet.
39:01
[SPEAKER_02]: And like divulge information that maybe she was waiting to say, you know, maybe she was like not wanting to discuss the fact that she was on anti-depressants.
39:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Like truly
39:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm just saying, like, this is gross and crazy.
39:15
[SPEAKER_00]: This is also crazy because it's very, um, dindies and like mental health.
39:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she was like, I didn't want to have sex because I was depressed.
39:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't want to be on medication because medication is bad.
39:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm going to go back on medication and then I'll probably want to have sex.
39:33
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay.
39:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And here's the thing, the funniest thing is, it's like, and he's depressed and certain notorious for making you lose your little.
39:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
39:42
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, it's hysterical, because like sure, yes, depression would also impact that.
39:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm not trying to say that it wouldn't, but it's very funny to me that she's like, well, what's the auntie's
39:54
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, the fact that she just seemingly, it seems like she's like, I met Null, I was happy.
39:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I stopped taking my Anna president as a person, it's like, what, cold turkey girl?
40:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Calm down.
40:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, she's just worth a soreble.
40:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't do that.
40:06
[SPEAKER_00]: It was pretty nutty too.
40:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, can you imagine being like, okay, I'm gonna start with anti-depressants, anti-insiety.
40:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the moment you feel like better because it's like kicking in, you're like, okay, I'm off of it because I fix myself.
40:19
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like,
40:21
[SPEAKER_02]: That is the common sentiment with specifically, with prescriptions that are for mental health.
40:30
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really common to be like, oh, I'm feeling so much better.
40:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I don't need these anymore.
40:35
[SPEAKER_02]: That is a common thing.
40:37
[SPEAKER_02]: That is the thing that does happen.
40:39
[SPEAKER_02]: But it is wild that it is like, I was feeling,
40:43
[SPEAKER_02]: the roller coaster of like meeting no going off anti depressants and then then being out of your system long enough to then feel depressed again and realize you need to go back on them like the this timeline does not make sense like there's no way this happens in this time.
40:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
41:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I came and I really support body.
41:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying like going those types of medications or I should say on a personal, right?
41:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't know how it impacts other people's bodies.
41:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I just know how it has impacted me and like
41:14
[SPEAKER_02]: building up a dose and then weaning back down a dose is like a little bit of a hellish experience on your body when you're trying to like get onto or off of a medication.
41:24
[SPEAKER_02]: There is like an adjustment period.
41:26
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
41:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Like usually involving like some of us has stomach stuff like you just you feel off like it's it's not an easy thing to do.
41:33
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's crazy to like cold turkey a med and then go back on it.
41:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's absolutely nuts.
41:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just was like, what are we doing here?
41:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah, can I tell you where I thought this story line was going?
41:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Because please, I thought based on what little we know about Zoe's history, right?
41:51
[SPEAKER_02]: We knew she had a bad experience with someone who was like in love with someone else and that it caused her to like end up in the hospital like she was depressed or something, right?
42:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I, and the fact that she and Nolhan had sex yet, I was thinking, this girl has been assaulted.
42:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I was thinking she has had a bad sexual experience.
42:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you know, a bad sexual experience that has led her to not want to do it right away or do it with someone she really trusts or whatever whatever.
42:17
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it would be insane for the show to actually do something intelligent or
42:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm interesting or thought provoking or anything along those lines.
42:30
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think that that would be once again something that is incredibly relatable.
42:36
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people sadly would be able to connect to.
42:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that could be well-written, but we don't.
42:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who's writing this.
42:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if like we got like the monkeys at the zoo to write these scripts like with their little typewriters, but the whole thing is like pretty fucked actually.
42:59
[SPEAKER_00]: It's stupid.
43:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry that we keep saying it's stupid.
43:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It's stupid.
43:04
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is.
43:05
[SPEAKER_02]: But we are not the ones writing these story lines, we just have to consume them.
43:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of this stuff is like very frustrating because it's either out of character or it's just like it's so obvious to show has just run out of runway and they're just, you know, building the brick they go.
43:23
[SPEAKER_02]: They're gasped.
43:24
[SPEAKER_02]: They're absolutely right.
43:25
[SPEAKER_02]: They're gasped.
43:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is exhausting.
43:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
43:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
43:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you ready to talk about Felicity and Lauren and Ben and all this fun fun stuff?
43:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yes, I am.
43:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this was crazy, too, because okay.
43:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
43:45
[SPEAKER_00]: At first, I was like, Felicity's being a country bitch.
43:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't say that we're often.
43:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't.
43:52
[SPEAKER_00]: The fact is, you're like, Ben, you're going to help Lauren move a few boxes.
43:57
[SPEAKER_00]: How dare you.
43:59
[SPEAKER_00]: You fucking bitch in a half.
44:02
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like super pregnant.
44:03
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't lift things.
44:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, she is so pregnant.
44:08
[SPEAKER_00]: There is nothing to be jealous of.
44:10
[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing to feel insecure about.
44:13
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just helping her.
44:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I, if my husband was like,
44:20
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, I don't want to help this person that's pregnant because you might be jealous.
44:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I would be like, that's terrible.
44:29
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, that's awful.
44:30
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to help her.
44:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, please help her.
44:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
44:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I very much started out.
44:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I very much started out the episode on Lauren's side.
44:37
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I specifically said, I love how over Felicity Lauren is.
44:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Lauren is like, fuck you Felicity.
44:44
[SPEAKER_02]: And like,
44:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
44:46
[SPEAKER_02]: None of this is Felicity's fault, right?
44:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, Felicity is the extraneous piece.
44:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you, it's not Felicity's fault that Ben won't move to Arizona.
44:54
[SPEAKER_02]: That's on Ben.
44:55
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not Felicity's fault that like, you slept with her boyfriend when they were in together and now he's back together with her.
45:01
[SPEAKER_02]: It is Felicity's fault that she is being quite the asshole to Lauren occasionally this episode.
45:08
[SPEAKER_02]: But then
45:09
[SPEAKER_02]: This is fucking insane.
45:10
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Ben is supposed to be helping Lauren move because she's moving to Arizona, right?
45:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, she's leaving like the next day or some shit.
45:17
[SPEAKER_02]: And she comes and she tells Felicity this information of Dean and Deluca, which is hysterical.
45:23
[SPEAKER_02]: So Ben goes there to help her move and they get into a car accident.
45:28
[SPEAKER_02]: So back in the early odds, it was like, you couldn't find out any information.
45:32
[SPEAKER_02]: So Felicity is just stuck there.
45:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I have no idea if Ben is dead or what the situation is.
45:37
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know, he's in surgery.
45:38
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all she got.
45:39
[SPEAKER_02]: She's in surgery.
45:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
45:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I ran just to the hospital and that's all she gets because like she's on family.
45:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But then it's like,
45:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Where's Ben's dad?
45:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we couldn't get John Gerr?
45:49
[SPEAKER_00]: John Gerr?
45:51
[SPEAKER_00]: John Gerr and his forget white first supposed to be in New York City.
45:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Where the hell is John Gerr?
45:55
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh he's too busy.
45:56
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like Ben's been every single fucking day and his father's hospital room and his mother's hospital room.
46:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they can't be.
46:04
[SPEAKER_00]: But no one cares if he dies.
46:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:06
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so crazy.
46:07
[SPEAKER_00]: We're doing this.
46:08
[SPEAKER_00]: But eventually, they let her in.
46:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess when he's out of surgery, but that's what's crazy.
46:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, are we really doing like a Ben is like gone to a massive car accident is like on death store.
46:23
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't going to die.
46:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there should have been a different
46:27
[SPEAKER_02]: character in peril because maybe there would have been a chance that he was going to die, but like we knew Ben wasn't going to die, but the real shock and all moment was crazy.
46:39
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Felicity does see Lauren, who mostly just looks like she got like hurt in the face somehow.
46:45
[SPEAKER_02]: It's always a driver that gets less hurt than the passenger.
46:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
46:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And so Felicity's chatting with her and the doctor comes in and he's like, oh, we need some privacy.
46:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me just shut this curtain that is not soundproof.
46:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he says, this is so funny.
47:03
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the funniest thing.
47:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do doctors in like everywhere?
47:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know TV show, but also in real life, they're like, this paper thin curtain with openings below and above is going to give us privacy.
47:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And nobody is going to hear that it's like,
47:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me, Miss, but here's this life altering information, but the don't worry nobody else can be here.
47:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the person that you share a hospital room with is definitely not going to hear your like ex hookups girlfriend won't hear, but yeah, it's so ridiculous.
47:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I can, okay, you have to say I can't say it.
47:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't.
47:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the worst cannot leave my mouth because the insanity.
47:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Lauren.
47:48
[SPEAKER_02]: in her incident with some decided, hey, I'm four months pregnant or however months months.
47:55
[SPEAKER_02]: She is six months pregnant.
47:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
47:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Why not drink?
47:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Why not drink?
47:59
[SPEAKER_02]: She drink and she drove and her alcohol, a blood alcohol content was over the legal limit and so she's going to be in trouble with the police and Felicity.
48:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's this because again, it was a fucking curtain, not a soundproof booth.
48:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
48:16
[SPEAKER_02]: And so she is just like, incensed.
48:20
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Lauren, like, Lee is walking out of the hospital and Felicity's like, um, ma'am, what are you doing?
48:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know what's happening with Ben yet.
48:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, where are you going?
48:28
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, gotta go to the empown lot to get my shit.
48:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
48:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
48:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is the craziest thing.
48:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand how there was no repercussions for her or some handcuffs on this bitch.
48:44
[SPEAKER_00]: What are we doing?
48:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Because not only was she driving drunk, which is illegal, of course, but also she was driving drunk and pregnant.
48:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's also child endangerment.
48:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And there was another person in the car.
49:01
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, oh, I already said how she was able to just like get up and walk away.
49:05
[SPEAKER_00]: No, this the pregnancy just like give you immunity like what is happening?
49:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I got to get to my car because I have a library book that's due to Maro and I
49:15
[SPEAKER_00]: simply must get my stuff.
49:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the idea that she was like, oh, I have to get to my car because I'm actually moving to Arizona tomorrow.
49:22
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not gonna ever take responsibility for any of this stuff.
49:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just gonna leave.
49:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, this is exactly like the time that I drove into the bus.
49:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I went to go pick up my shit from the impound law.
49:33
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
49:34
[SPEAKER_00]: My number one priority was my Taylor Swift CDs.
49:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And then my school after St.
49:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Louis, like three days later.
49:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like, bye people.
49:43
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lady right in the car.
49:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but we get away.
49:47
[SPEAKER_00]: It was my fault the price didn't work.
49:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, on the car.
49:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And you definitely had it inspected recently.
49:55
[SPEAKER_02]: She, she, she, she.
49:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, so the thing is is then Felicity is like really pissed, obviously, right?
50:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Like her boyfriend might die because of Lauren.
50:06
[SPEAKER_02]: And she is, she is like, incense.
50:09
[SPEAKER_02]: She is over Lauren and she has been bitching to everyone else about Lauren, but finally she's had enough.
50:14
[SPEAKER_02]: And she says, you know who I feel sorry for?
50:17
[SPEAKER_02]: That baby because it has you as a mother.
50:21
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got awful.
50:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That is the most hurtful thing I've ever heard of.
50:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, the poor baby probably has like fetal alcohol syndrome.
50:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
50:32
[SPEAKER_00]: The baby has enough to worry about.
50:34
[SPEAKER_00]: It's enough to worry about.
50:36
[SPEAKER_00]: The baby is like not going to be able to count to like three, but fine.
50:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess start dunking on the mom.
50:44
[SPEAKER_02]: just for digulous.
50:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Lauren eventually does come back and she like apologizes in Felicity again in her infinite wisdom.
50:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Lauren says, I'm just gonna go find a hotel for the night.
50:55
[SPEAKER_02]: All Felicity has to do is just keep that fucking mouth shut.
50:57
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, just zip the lips and say nothing because you know what?
51:01
[SPEAKER_02]: She should go to a fucking hotel because guess what?
51:04
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have a connection to her Felicity and she did something wrong.
51:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Let her just go and get a hotel.
51:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Instead Felicity says, no, you know what?
51:12
[SPEAKER_02]: You stay at my place.
51:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
51:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Policities like sleep over time.
51:18
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like seen.
51:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to do the Ouija board?
51:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to do?
51:23
[SPEAKER_00]: So now I'll put your breath in the freezer.
51:25
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just like insane.
51:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's like maybe you and I can tell ghost stories of Ben past compared like experiences.
51:36
[SPEAKER_00]: This was this was
51:38
[SPEAKER_00]: as really stupid as well.
51:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess she was just trying to be nice, not like she has other shit to worry about.
51:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And then what she does, she does really badly.
51:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And then she wakes up and Lauren bounced.
51:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
51:55
[SPEAKER_02]: And Lauren left, she pulled a Julie.
51:58
[SPEAKER_02]: And she was like, I don't know where I'm going.
52:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where I'll end up, but thank you, Felicity, for letting me stay at your apartment.
52:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Lauren is pretty much on the run from the cops at this point.
52:10
[SPEAKER_00]: That is why she would have put it in writing where she's going because then the cops are going to go after her.
52:17
[SPEAKER_02]: She's a woman on the loose and here's the other thing.
52:21
[SPEAKER_02]: She knows Ben was like, oh, I could go to Illinois and get that baby.
52:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I could go to Illinois and make you stay in York and she's like shit.
52:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Now he can go to a lawyer and be like, yeah, my pregnant ex hookup was drunk and driving with our baby in her stomach.
52:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Like she knows she's in big, big trouble if Ben finds her.
52:39
[SPEAKER_00]: So she has to get out.
52:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Lauren's about to gong grow herself.
52:42
[SPEAKER_00]: She's about to dye your hair blonde.
52:44
[SPEAKER_00]: She's about to gong grow by the way.
52:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I had read the book first time recently.
52:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but I've read the book years ago.
52:50
[SPEAKER_02]: So I knew the story of it.
52:53
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I did watch the movie recently because I was like, I kind of want to see if it's if it's like as good the book is way, way, way better.
53:00
[SPEAKER_00]: The book
53:01
[SPEAKER_00]: is better but I did think that they did a pretty decent job as long as she got nice like it's been off like and he is like Dunkin Donuts little bitch boy but um who isn't Dunkin Donuts bitch boy you know you can just saying Dunkin Donuts donuts I did Dunkin Donuts Donuts Donuts Donuts Donuts Donuts Donuts today
53:22
[SPEAKER_02]: but which what don't know what's your don't have?
53:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is my husband got a coffee earlier in the day and so he brought me home a little sweet treat and it was he said it was a new flavor.
53:32
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like a creamsicle sort of a thing because it was orange and had like a vanilla frosting drizzle on it.
53:38
[SPEAKER_02]: It was pretty good.
53:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
53:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Very light and refreshing.
53:41
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, very summary.
53:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
53:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
53:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
53:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and then resume on Pike.
53:46
[SPEAKER_00]: She did a good job.
53:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so funny because okay, so your favorite show wheelies the wheel of time.
53:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I love wheelies.
53:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
53:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize it was the same actor.
53:59
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we watched Gone Girl and we were already watching the wheel of time.
54:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Then we went back to the wheel of time and I was like, oh my god, that lady looks just like the girl from Gone Girl.
54:08
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was like, that's because it is wow.
54:11
[SPEAKER_02]: She looks really different in my defense with like darker hair.
54:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I feel like it totally changes her vibe.
54:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
54:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah.
54:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Anymore is going to do the same thing.
54:21
[SPEAKER_00]: She's going to.
54:23
[SPEAKER_00]: She's going to get a Dodge will never see her again.
54:28
[SPEAKER_00]: She's on the run.
54:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Ben reality.
54:29
[SPEAKER_00]: She's just going to go to Arizona.
54:31
[SPEAKER_00]: The police probably find her very easily.
54:33
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's it.
54:34
[SPEAKER_00]: They look for her.
54:36
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, it's not worth it.
54:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It's New York City, baby.
54:39
[SPEAKER_00]: We got shit to do.
54:40
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, they're like, do you know what's going on?
54:44
[SPEAKER_00]: We have a thousand crimes today.
54:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Our crossover show is SVU.
54:47
[SPEAKER_00]: We have so many things to do special systems unit.
54:51
[SPEAKER_02]: You were getting assaulted.
54:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
54:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, now I guess let's make some predictions here because we might as well.
54:58
[SPEAKER_02]: So Lauren has left as flagged the state.
55:01
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know where she is.
55:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
55:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Is Ben going to attempt to seek her out attempts to stay in baby's life?
55:07
[SPEAKER_02]: How is this going to work?
55:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope so because if we just got out of this and be like, okay, like, I'm seeing she's gone.
55:14
[SPEAKER_00]: then I would be so annoyed as like, why did we go through this?
55:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what's the point?
55:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And the way that this season is going so far, I can only imagine that that's where we wind up, just be like,
55:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, bye, see you later.
55:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you ready for my prediction on what's going to happen?
55:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, late on me.
55:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Ben is going to attempt to find her, right?
55:39
[SPEAKER_02]: So we know that we're coming up on the Oopsie Daisy finale of not a real finale.
55:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but it's going to be a real finale, but then something happened and they say we need more finale.
55:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I think in the Oopsie Daisy finale, what's going to happen is
55:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Ben is going to be trying to find her.
55:59
[SPEAKER_02]: She's going to reach out to Ben and be like, I need serious help.
56:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is it's going to we're going to like flash forward.
56:05
[SPEAKER_02]: So she's going to like have the baby and then she's going to be like, I'm fucked.
56:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I need to go to rehab.
56:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to like get my shit sorted out.
56:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the baby.
56:14
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's going to get like custody of the baby temporarily while she sorts her stuff out.
56:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
56:21
[SPEAKER_02]: And then.
56:22
[SPEAKER_02]: will probably do a flash forward, uh, knowing the show, and then we'll get to see Minnie Ben, but he has all his minis and they're going to play basketball like non-stop.
56:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they're definitely going to play basketball.
56:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that Sean Noel and Ben should do three men in the baby?
56:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Number one, I don't think Sean should be allowed anywhere near the baby because I feel like he would invent something that would seriously make a child.
56:55
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think it would be good with kids.
56:59
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was ready to, he was like, sign me up to be a father, actually.
57:03
[SPEAKER_00]: He'd be the best father of the bunch.
57:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
57:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know, Ben really likes to play basketball.
57:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry.
57:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And she would love the continuation in two episodes about Ben's big brother, little brother program.
57:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Love how we got into that just to never mention that again.
57:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
57:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
57:24
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
57:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's finish out by talking about Felicity and the plagiarism storyline where she has absolutely no consequences for her actions, essentially.
57:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody does it yet, not yet.
57:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're, well, okay, this was what, okay, so we do a couple of back and forth about like, she almost misses the, the meeting.
57:48
[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't miss the meeting.
57:49
[SPEAKER_00]: She winds up going because they couldn't reschedule it.
57:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It got pushed forward and said back, bubble, blah, blah, blah.
57:56
[SPEAKER_00]: She is about to go in.
57:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And she finally, right before she goes in, confesses to Jan Lynch.
58:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And Jan Lynch is like, you are a stupid fucking bitch.
58:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I am embarrassed and you should be too.
58:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I stood up for you, bitch.
58:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you had a twenty thousand opportunities to tell me about this and you didn't.
58:19
[SPEAKER_02]: And so she's like, well, she does the parent thing where it's like, oh, you stole a piece of gum.
58:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you have to bring it back to the register and tell them
58:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.
58:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to do that.
58:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I've told this story.
58:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I still, you'll never guess what I stole.
58:32
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like a lip gloss or something, wasn't it?
58:34
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
58:35
[SPEAKER_00]: No polish.
58:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's no.
58:36
[SPEAKER_00]: It's even more on brand.
58:38
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was a tomato.
58:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I sold tomato from the style of bar and my dad made me go literally up and talk to the manager about tomato.
58:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Indeed, I did.
58:51
[SPEAKER_00]: What's wrong with you?
58:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I just really like fucking tomatoes.
58:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I just really like tomatoes.
58:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And he made me like go up to the manager and confess.
59:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never stolen, but that's because I have anxiety.
59:06
[SPEAKER_00]: So many tomatoes.
59:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I would be so terrified of getting caught.
59:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I've still why I shouldn't say that.
59:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I've stolen by accident before.
59:15
[SPEAKER_02]: But I've never intentionally stolen it.
59:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
59:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Shoplifting is terrible.
59:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Would never do such a thing.
59:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, Felicity has to go tell the board and then we'll find out.
59:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess next episode, like, what's the peanut, uh, what her punishment is going to be, but like, probably nothing.
59:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe that we didn't even get to see the board meeting.
59:36
[SPEAKER_02]: They're all the talk to the episodes of Chatter about this.
59:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
59:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I was getting angry and furious by that.
59:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't believe it.
59:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, are you fucking kidding me?
59:46
[SPEAKER_00]: We're just going to skip right over it.
59:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
59:48
[SPEAKER_00]: It was so stupid.
59:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So insane.
59:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And
59:53
[SPEAKER_00]: We end the episode and yeah, we don't know if or what the consequences are because we're too busy with like Ben waking up from his.
1:00:04
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't need to know what the fuck happened.
1:00:07
[SPEAKER_02]: He lost a lot of blood.
1:00:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Where?
1:00:08
[SPEAKER_02]: How?
1:00:09
[SPEAKER_02]: What happened?
1:00:11
[SPEAKER_02]: He just lost blood.
1:00:11
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
1:00:12
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all we know.
1:00:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we don't know if he broke a bone.
1:00:15
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know anything.
1:00:17
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
1:00:19
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so stupid.
1:00:20
[SPEAKER_00]: It is stupid.
1:00:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate it.
1:00:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate it all.
1:00:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't really understand what we're doing, honestly.
1:00:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Nope.
1:00:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's give out some points if we want.
1:00:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe people won't earn them.
1:00:34
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see the paper chase the first episode that we talked about.
1:00:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely not the list because she played rise.
1:00:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Megan gives super shitty advice.
1:00:42
[SPEAKER_02]: So definitely not her.
1:00:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Sean is actually the worst.
1:00:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Me.
1:00:50
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
1:00:50
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
1:00:51
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
1:00:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no.
1:00:52
[SPEAKER_02]: The only one who isn't like horribly offensively awful.
1:00:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, shut up of it out.
1:00:57
[SPEAKER_02]: The second episode.
1:01:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, boy.
1:01:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I would like to put forth Elena for punching Richard in the face.
1:01:08
[SPEAKER_02]: sure because I guess would earn it this episode literally no one.
1:01:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean Ben for trying, but Ben for living or living, I meant like trying with Lauren, but he was on his own.
1:01:20
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the bar we have people.
1:01:21
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the bar we have right now.
1:01:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:01:28
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's get into some of our feedback here.
1:01:30
[SPEAKER_02]: We did get a voicemail from Tammy this week.
1:01:33
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's hear what he has to say.
1:01:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably only about the first episode because he probably didn't know we were going to watch the second.
1:01:39
[SPEAKER_04]: Hi, ladies.
1:01:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Great job as always last week.
1:01:43
[SPEAKER_04]: Excellent swearing.
1:01:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Sean, he provides a comical wave on this show, kind of like Seaveracle and Kimi Gibbord did.
1:01:50
[SPEAKER_04]: Sean's even in Ventura Lake Steve, where Eurcol's inventions also drove the plot.
1:01:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Inventions like the personality change of machine that turned him into Stefan.
1:02:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
1:02:00
[SPEAKER_04]: Side note, you had a feedback contributor for Dawson's Creek name Stefan.
1:02:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, we did.
1:02:05
[SPEAKER_04]: And how does Sean have the loft?
1:02:07
[SPEAKER_04]: Going back to Eurcol and Gibbler, it's one thing to be a kid neighbor, it's another to be a young man owning a loft inexplicably.
1:02:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:02:15
[SPEAKER_04]: The neighbor role is mysterious because the character is usually an afterthought.
1:02:20
[SPEAKER_04]: With success of the neighbor role, you get more details and explanations, mentions of parents that you never see and give boys and girls case.
1:02:30
[SPEAKER_04]: The only neighbors that are fleshed out at the start that come to mind for me are Fini and Stan Beaman from the Americans because they were conceived as main characters from the start.
1:02:42
[SPEAKER_04]: If you will, Chang is a neighbor to the study group of me as he wants to join battling season two.
1:02:48
[SPEAKER_04]: Like other neighbors, he changes in his case from authority, to pathetic, then to pathetic authority.
1:02:56
[SPEAKER_04]: Who is your favorite neighbor from TV?
1:02:58
[SPEAKER_04]: Mr. Rogers will send from home improvement.
1:03:03
[SPEAKER_04]: Those are examples that I also thought of.
1:03:06
[SPEAKER_04]: And going back to the idea of details and explanations of things that you don't have as a viewer, sometimes these details and explanations are in something called the show Bible that was mentioned on the podcast office ladies.
1:03:22
[SPEAKER_04]: It seems like a
1:03:26
[SPEAKER_04]: Jenna Beesley, sorry, Jenna Fisher as Pam Beesley.
1:03:31
[SPEAKER_04]: When she was her character, Pam Beesley would use a show Bible.
1:03:34
[SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of figure things out.
1:03:36
[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks.
1:03:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.
1:03:39
[SPEAKER_00]: favorite neighbor Sarah.
1:03:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to give you a Winnie Cooper from, um, from that show that years from the winter years.
1:03:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:03:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.
1:03:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I have a couple.
1:03:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I have Mr. Heckles from friends downstairs.
1:03:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Heckles the iconic, uh, ugly naked guy.
1:04:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess technically is also a
1:04:02
[SPEAKER_02]: across the way.
1:04:04
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I had another one in my head that I've already forgotten what it was.
1:04:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I do like a neighbor role.
1:04:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that one of the more famous ones is probably Cramer and in Seinfeld.
1:04:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never done like a full watch of Seinfeld so I can't.
1:04:21
[SPEAKER_02]: really speak on that.
1:04:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the other character I was thinking of, which I know is a blind spot for you, Sarah, which I think eventually you probably will watch knowing that your husband is most likely going to podcast about it, but there is a character named Bebet in Gilmore Girls.
1:04:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And she is very fun.
1:04:37
[SPEAKER_02]: She's iconic for her voice.
1:04:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And just the way she has.
1:04:42
[SPEAKER_02]: So she's a very fun, a very fun neighbor too.
1:04:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I definitely thought of Wilson as well from home and proven as like a neighbor character.
1:04:52
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so infamous because like
1:04:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Did be a for I think we eventually I think eventually we did probably.
1:05:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, those are like the big ones I can think of.
1:05:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure if I had more time, I'd be able to come up with some others, but yeah, I love a neighbor character.
1:05:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't, and I was never a big, Kimmy goodware fan on full house, but she just dragged DJ into too much shit.
1:05:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she's just fucking irritating.
1:05:18
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, go stay in your house, lady.
1:05:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, get out of here.
1:05:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, she will not and did not even as a kid.
1:05:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, get off my lawn, please.
1:05:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, go home.
1:05:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, all right, let's hear what DBK has to say about this episode.
1:05:34
[SPEAKER_05]: What up, though, ladies?
1:05:37
[SPEAKER_05]: the paper chase another probably met episode for you guys that you're just like what do we do it here where we go and I can't believe next week is the penultimate episode to the finale like sure let's give readers some screen time why not we're not doing anything else right
1:06:00
[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, we should give Megan the point this week because just Megan is outstanding this episode.
1:06:08
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean,
1:06:09
[SPEAKER_05]: She gives Felicity to this bad idea, but that like just her friendship was Felicity so funny.
1:06:15
[SPEAKER_05]: Like that she's actually worried that they won't stay in touch and like good stuff for making all around this episode.
1:06:21
[SPEAKER_05]: That's like the best part of it.
1:06:22
[SPEAKER_05]: Of the interest, see what you guys talk about this week.
1:06:25
[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, that's it for this week.
1:06:28
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, until next week, ladies.
1:06:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I do like Megan saying like she would miss Felicity.
1:06:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I did like that part of the relationship and this the scene.
1:06:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:06:41
[SPEAKER_02]: But Megan gave such bad advice.
1:06:43
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, and it kept getting worse.
1:06:46
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, girl.
1:06:47
[SPEAKER_00]: His name is Earl.
1:06:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Who?
1:06:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Megan's friend Earl.
1:06:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh.
1:06:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought we were going back to the neighbor question.
1:06:58
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, there's a neighbor named Earl.
1:07:00
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he had the very funny girl.
1:07:03
[SPEAKER_02]: That's funny because there's that show.
1:07:05
[SPEAKER_02]: My name is Earl.
1:07:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought you were working out.
1:07:07
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't know, Earl.
1:07:08
[SPEAKER_02]: That's who.
1:07:11
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the Earl.
1:07:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
1:07:13
[SPEAKER_02]: A DBK sent in a second voicemail.
1:07:15
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to play.
1:07:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea what this is.
1:07:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I have not pre-listened this.
1:07:18
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see what it is.
1:07:20
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah, and also say, not brain, brain, brain.
1:07:26
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, like, like, hair, thinking, she has like the, the one little braid.
1:07:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
1:07:33
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna put it in here this season.
1:07:35
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like her artist's braid at my braid.
1:07:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Megan?
1:07:38
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
1:07:38
[SPEAKER_05]: No, full of style.
1:07:40
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I said.
1:07:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
1:07:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So last week, DB's case said like something about liking,
1:07:48
[SPEAKER_00]: or disliking, uh, Felicity's braid.
1:07:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we said brain.
1:07:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And we were like brain.
1:07:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm brain.
1:07:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And we were like, is that like, is because she's like being stupid or like what?
1:08:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:08:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Or listen, I am notoriously a big fan of braids, but uh, Felicity's hair, the season is, it's insulting to me.
1:08:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I just can't.
1:08:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe to be case of that he liked the braid slash brain.
1:08:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
1:08:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't you just give us the load on if you like braids at all?
1:08:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not going to not do braids.
1:08:22
[SPEAKER_02]: If you say you don't like them, but I will have you know I have braids in today.
1:08:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Adam says that he thinks like braids are the ugliest fucking thing when it brings sees people with braids.
1:08:33
[SPEAKER_00]: He like, and then when I when I do braids or like, you know, I was working on learning how to do like a French braid.
1:08:45
[SPEAKER_00]: He was just like, why are you doing that to your hair?
1:08:49
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's not fan.
1:08:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I get well, what do you think of braids?
1:08:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Braids with a D. Yeah.
1:08:59
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, cool.
1:09:01
[SPEAKER_02]: What about brains?
1:09:02
[SPEAKER_02]: What about brains?
1:09:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Gross.
1:09:08
[SPEAKER_02]: These are well-stocked.
1:09:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Braids.
1:09:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Brains.
1:09:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Gross.
1:09:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:09:14
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
1:09:16
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all the feedback we have.
1:09:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Apology, we are recording early this week.
1:09:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Just so everyone knows.
1:09:21
[SPEAKER_02]: In case you send in feedback and we didn't get to it in time.
1:09:25
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're off next week.
1:09:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm traveling.
1:09:28
[SPEAKER_02]: So I won't be around.
1:09:30
[SPEAKER_02]: But then
1:09:31
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll be back and we'll have a special guest to talk about the next episode, which is the fake finale, right?
1:09:35
[SPEAKER_02]: The first finale?
1:09:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you imagine if the finale was actually dedicated to like, we'll Felicity get kicked out of school for plagiarizing what a fucking shit show.
1:09:45
[SPEAKER_02]: What a dumbass finale that'd be.
1:09:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait.
1:09:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:09:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what's the episode called the graduate?
1:09:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
1:09:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like she's a spoiler.
1:09:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:09:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I know I've seen like a preview picture and she does have a capping gown, but maybe it'll be very dramatic and like show the color and name Felicity Porter and she'll go up and she's like Felicity Porter is knocking into Ploma because she's a fucking cheater!
1:10:10
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they go only hope.
1:10:12
[SPEAKER_02]: We can only hope something is entertaining as that happens.
1:10:15
[SPEAKER_02]: So that will be two weeks from now.
1:10:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't forget people.
1:10:19
[SPEAKER_02]: We are barreling towards the end of the show.
1:10:21
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be done by mid-August, baby.
1:10:23
[SPEAKER_02]: So hopefully you'll still stay tuned, even though we are very down on the show.
1:10:27
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's not our fault it sucks, okay?
1:10:29
[SPEAKER_02]: So, in the meantime, check out everything we have going on.
1:10:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Chinatyspod.com.
1:10:34
[SPEAKER_02]: We were still covering buffies season four, which is leips and bounds better than those of these season four.
1:10:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, Sarah, anything else you want to tell the people about?
1:10:42
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I got nothing.
1:10:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, don't.
1:10:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's all for us.
1:10:46
[SPEAKER_02]: So until next time everyone, have a good one.
1:10:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Good bye.