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Scumbag former basketball players and the Cleveland Browns are trying to ruin sports · The Regulars

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  Straight guys are ruining women's sports, men's sports,
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  and more sports. Dear God, we are back. It is
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  Monday. I'm Cody Decker. I'm Tonya Rae Fox.
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  And we could not have a better week to be kicking things back
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  off with. Cody, thank you for coming back to us. We missed you.
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  We are The Regulars. Let's do this.
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  Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back! Holy hell,
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  we are back! Tanya Rae Fox, I have missed the living hell
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  out of you for a week. I am thrilled to see your face. Mocha,
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  I'm even fucking happy to see you, man. What a time to be alive.
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  By the way, did everybody know that, uh, straight dudes are just the worst
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  fucking type of people in the world? I'm not gonna lie, we did know,
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  because straight dudes are just ruining sports. As a straight man,
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  We're ruining sports apparently because holy shit, no one can keep it together.
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  This is batshit. Yesterday was maybe the most embarrassing
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  thing I've ever seen. And I do mean this, ever seen on
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  a professional sports anything. And I'm blown away,
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  blown away by a lot of the talking points, specifically by politicians.
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  Yeah, no, it's gotten really upsetting,
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  but on, on the positive
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  side of things, uh, we are leading our
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  show with, uh, an interesting take on the, on the entire
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  thing. And, uh, there's even more.
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  It's not even— it's not even maybe the most
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  upsetting thing that's happened in the last 24
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  hours in sports, because you could go with the white men ruining sport,
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  or you could go with the rapists ruining sports. You do that, you know what
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  I mean? So like, it's really like a big— it's an overflowing cup of shitshowery.
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  It's just amazing. It's, it's amazing. The, the announcement today,
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  of course, of Deshaun Watson, of which don't worry, we'll get to, uh, and of
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  course redacted dipshit from yesterday of don't worry,
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  we'll get to. And also, I don't know, the owner of the Dodgers I
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  guess might be broke, or is he? We don't fucking know. He's seemingly paying
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  himself with insurance money from his own insurance company.
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  Allegedly. I can't fucking keep up with any of this shit
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  at this point, and it is fucking batshit. This whole sports world
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  is legitimately on fire in a way that I've never seen
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  ever, to the point where I'm wondering what's the positive of sports today.
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  Well, we're gonna, we're gonna have a couple. We're gonna intersperse a couple positives to
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  keep it light. We are. You know me. I— because the last thing I
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  want to do is be the same, uh, the, the same echo chamber of angry
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  bullshit as everybody else, but it is hard to avoid the big stuff.
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  Yep. So we're gonna try to do both. We're gonna talk about good things,
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  we're gonna talk about some tough things, and we're gonna talk about media,
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  which is also going down the shitter too. Boy, however, we finally
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  have a different angle to a media story, something we've talked about
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  a ton. We're gonna actually talk about the flip side of it, so I'm excited
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  to talk to you about that. I'm excited, excited, excited. So, oh, we also are
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  gonna close the show with a catch-up corner, so if you guys wanna know how
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  Kody's vacay was, what I've been up to. We both had, uh,
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  an interesting last, what, like 12 days since we last
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  did a show. Oh boy, oh boy, have I, have I had an interesting 12
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  days. Yeah, boy, have I had an interesting one. So yeah, we got a lot
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  to talk about. And, uh, Tanya, headline number 1, let's fucking
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  get right into this shit show. Okay, I wrote my own headline for
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  this. The headline's entitled Loser Grifts off
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  of women who are more talented than him by being a transphobe who was allowed
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  courtside at a WNBA game. Uh, we will be doing
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  this entire segment without actually saying this man's name. If you are watching
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  this show, you know who it is. Uh, not giving more
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  time and attention than absolutely necessary to a jealous dumpster scum basketball
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  castoff. So that's the jealous basketball castoff.
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  Uh, was attending a
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  WNBA game at Wintrust Arena in Chicago on Sunday,
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  landed courtside, which I found interesting. Sources around the league say
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  that Redacted and fellow former NBA player
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  Redacted are not eligible to play in the WNBA after the pair declared
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  themselves women and eligible for the draft. Redacted was removed from the building Sunday
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  after a verbal altercation with Chicago Sky point guard Natasha Cloud.
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  Redacted was sitting courtside in a black t-shirt that read, women,
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  noun, adult human female. When a timeout was called late
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  in the 3rd quarter, Cloud walked toward Redacted and shouted at him.
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  He was standing with his arms outstretched and took a few steps toward the court
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  before security cut him off and directed him to leave. One source
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  said Redacted had been making comments toward Cloud throughout the game,
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  though a fan wearing a gold Caitlin Clark Fever shirt
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  sitting near him said he only cheered during the game.
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  Now we have video evidence of what happened during the game. Sure do.
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  I don't know what the gold-wearing Caitlin Clark fan
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  was doing, but sounds like they're doing a little bit of PR for old redacted
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  himself. Cody, I don't think we need to
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  bore the people with anything more than they
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  already know about us, which is that we are, we are anti-transphobes.
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  Yes. We fucking hate transphobes. Truly do. We have already addressed
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  more than 4 million times at this point that trans
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  women in sports are such a small percentage of even collegiate
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  athletes that we can barely count them on 2 hands.
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  This is not a real issue. And even if there were a trans woman who
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  wanted to play in the WNBA, we do not have a problem with it,
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  point blank. What I want to know from you, since we are finally getting
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  to actually talk about this, is Where do you stand
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  on redacted even getting a fucking courtside seat
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  at a WNBA game? Fucking shameful and embarrassing, the fact that this even came to
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  play. The only thing that I'm truly most disappointed in is
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  that anyone held back Natasha Cloud from beating the shit out of this dude,
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  because I think she could have done it. I think she absolutely could have done
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  it because no one— but she shouldn't have to. She shouldn't have to at all.
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  But it is embarrassing that it even got to this point. It is so embarrassing
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  the amount of people that are showing their asses. I had a great time unfollowing
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  a lot of dumb fucks. I, I, I mean this from the bottom of my
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  heart, and I've said it before and I'll say it again, and it'll probably be
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  hopefully the last time I say it today on this particular subject.
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  There is nothing more pathetic and weak than being a transphobe.
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  It is literally the most embarrassing fucking thing you can be. There is
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  nothing lower than truly hating a group of people who
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  are more marginalized, of the smallest margin of human beings probably on planet
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  Earth, that I don't know what to do with myself. It is so fucking weak
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  and pathetic to hate these people and treat them the way that
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  you do. And to do it in the guise of protecting women.
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  You just went on the fucking court and basically started a fucking fight with a
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  woman. Fuck you. This is embarrassing shit. And the fact
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  that the WNBA and whatever— was this in— where'd this take place? Chicago? Or this—
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  Chicago. It wasn't Chicago. The fact that they was even allowed in is fucking
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  embarrassing. This is— I don't even know who I
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  should be most mad at. Should I be most mad at Chicago? Should I be
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  mad at the WNBA? Should I— I'm already mad at redacted dipshit. Uh,
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  like, I, I don't know what to do. The only person I'm really happy with
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  was Natasha Cloud. I'm just mad she didn't beat the shit out of him.
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  Yeah, I mean, I— it's so frustrating too because Natasha
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  Cloud is, you know, having a really great season on a,
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  on a tough team, and she's playing to secure a spot
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  in the league next year. She's a veteran player. She wants to
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  make sure that she gets an opportunity to— these— there's not a lot of roster
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  spots in the WNBA. There are not. And she's playing to make sure that she
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  is valued enough by, you know, to be able to make a team next year.
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  She's the kind of veteran leadership that any, you know,
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  potential playoff team would love to have. And she has to spend her time
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  doing this shit. Now, a few games ago, Angel Reese
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  had to stand on the court and point out in the crowd toward another
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  straight man, straight white man who was throwing a dildo onto
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  the fucking court. That's what these women are being— that's what they're being exposed to
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  by the men who want to protect women's sports. Yep. They're— having their games interrupted
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  with misogyny and sexual harassment.
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  And these are superstars. These are, these are 2 women who should have
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  everything in the world to focus on other than this fucking bullshit.
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  And I blame the WNBA and the teams themselves
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  for allowing that person a courtside seat.
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  Sorry. I know how difficult it is to get a courtside seat at these
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  games. It's not easy. The WNBA is not the, you know, the days of old
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  where they're trying to like, these are superstar teams, a superstar-caliber
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  league, and courtside's a fucking privilege.
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  So I don't know what security measures
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  need to be put in place. There's going to be a lot of people who
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  say, well, you know, you can't just like if he buys a ticket, blah,
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  blah, blah. No bullshit. Yes, you can. Yeah, you can. It's a fucking private
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  business. You can do whatever you want. Like, you can do whatever
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  you want. You can deny whoever you want a fucking ticket, actually.
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  Like, you just fucking can. And him being there and courtside,
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  no less, uh, disruptive, not surprising.
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  It's, it's an embarrassing thing for this league that
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  they cannot in this moment protect their players from this level
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  of harassment. And I find it really interesting,
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  Cody, that over the last couple of years, a lot of the coaches
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  and Kathy Engelbert herself, when they've been asked about the harassment of
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  WNBA players, it's been like It's mostly online trolls. You know, this is
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  not WNBA fans. The fans are great, blah, blah, blah.
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  Now, repeatedly, Black women specifically have said, actually, no.
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  Along with the new players in the league, Caitlin Clark
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  specifically, have come a lot of people who are yelling racial slurs. And it's
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  not just online, but online is bad enough. But it's always been,
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  that's not the spirit of the game. These are online trolls and we need to,
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  you know, blah, blah, blah. They've sort of deflected it. This is exactly what we
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  knew would happen. The, the constant deflection
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  of the hate and the bigotry onto simply
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  online trolls when you and I both know we live in the fucking United States
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  of America. Hate and bigotry is everywhere. Oh boy.
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  They made a massive fucking miscalculation based
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  in their own bigotry. And now look at where we fucking are. We're heading into
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  the fucking WNBA playoffs, very likely to be the most
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  watched WNBA playoffs in the history of the fucking league.
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  And this is the shit that they're, that they're dealing with. I am fucking livid.
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  I'm livid. It's embarrassing. And by the way, I've,
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  I have not been on the board of get rid of Cathy Engelbert.
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  I am now. I firmly believe she is in and over her head.
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  She can't protect the players in any way, shape, or form. And that
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  is very unfortunate. And I'll also admit she's not been put in the greatest position
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  ever because clearly she's also not the commissioner of the league. She is under the
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  actual commissioner of the league, of which At this point, I don't know who it
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  is. As much as they want to say it's Adam Silver, is it? I really,
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  I really can't tell. Yeah, he's sort of the de facto, like he's the one
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  who makes, kind of pulls the strings at
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  the end of the day. You know, before we get into a little bit of
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  what's going on in the WNBA outside of this, because by the
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  way, we will never say redacted's name on the show. No, no, I redacted
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  it. And you will never hear his name. You will never hear me fucking say
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  it. He is as irrelevant as anybody on planet
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  Earth. In fact, of the dildos that have been on the court, he is the
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  biggest dildo that has been on the court. A week of— yeah, a week of
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  dildos, and somehow they found a fucking 6'10 one, or however. Congratulations, the largest dildo
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  imaginable has made it onto the WNBA court. Um,
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  so before we get into that though, I wanted to— I wanted to ask your
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  opinion on someone on my, um, that I follow on Threads, one of my mutuals,
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  and I'm trying to find her name, and I'm going to shout her out when
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  I can. But she had said she'd seen this theory and kind of
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  expanded on it, that somebody who would be a good commissioner, uh, it was De'Adria
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  DiAdria101 on Threads,
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  that she thought potentially a good option for commissioner for
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  the WNBA would be Mark Cuban. And interesting, the theory sort
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  of being this is a billionaire who knows how to talk to billionaires, a businessman
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  who understands how to deal in these rooms. He's clearly very like—
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  he's fairly liberal for a billionaire,
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  for a billionaire, and He has
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  experience in basketball. He has basketball connections. Yeah.
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  And he's charming. Like, he's a good public speaker. He's charming. He's good at handling
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  the media. You know what's funny about him specifically? Listen,
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  I'm sure he's detached from reality as every billionaire
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  is. Yes, this is on the scale of billionaires. Yeah, but I
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  want to put it on the scale of billionaires. He is the most relatable billionaire
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  that has come across. And I do think there is a reason for it.
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  The guy— also J.B. Pritzker. I don't know enough about— oh, you're right,
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  JB. Yes, I do know enough about JB. But the reason why I
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  think this— and he's talked about it before— he was like 31
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  years old. He talked about how, like, his bank account was at exactly zero.
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  Yeah. I think there is a perspective that comes out. He did live a decent
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  length of time before he was super wealthy. Yeah, it's still— I
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  mean, so it's still a lot of these guys and it sort of just doesn't
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  fucking matter. You're right. But I do like looking around
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  at the commissioners. You and I have talked about this. I don't respect any of
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  them. So not one. It's not— maybe part of this is like, we know
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  the commissioner works for the owners and the billionaires. Like, the commissioner is not there
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  to take care of the players. No, no, no, no. They used to be much
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  more player-friendly back in the day when we were like very,
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  very young was the last time that the commissioner could be a player-friendly position,
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  because back then the owners were actually a normal level of
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  wealthy. As these leagues have boomed and the billionaires
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  class has become— has ballooned and taken up more and more of the wealth and
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  more and more of these teams, They have way more power. People used to buy
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  these teams for like $50, $100 million. They were normal,
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  super wealthy people. Now that you have to wrangle billionaires,
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  commissioner is a billionaire management job. Very much so.
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  And let's see if a billionaire could manage the billionaires.
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  You probably can. That's actually— that's actually a really good perspective on
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  it because it's a billionaire that can't be strong-armed by all the other billionaires.
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  But that also might be a reason why he would never be hired as a
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  commissioner. Sure. I mean, you know, Adam Silver's likely going to have the final
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  say on that. He did most likely Kathy Engelbert as well. And, you know,
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  obviously, like, WNBA fans are like, who could actually run the league best for
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  the players? Candace Parker. Yeah, of course. Like, oh God, that would be great.
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  Or somebody like, you know, um, like Nneka, you know, like, who just,
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  who just retired. Like, somebody like that, sure. But no,
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  they're not actually gonna do that. Uh, Nneka is actually right here. Ron actually suggested
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  Nneka right away, uh, immediately for WNBA commissioner. Yeah, Nneka Ogwumike would be be amazing
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  for the players, but she, but she will get absolutely fucking steamrolled
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  by the owners. Not because she can't stand up for herself, not because she's not
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  smart enough, but because that's what owners do. That's why every single commissioner
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  that we used to like— Rob Manfred, Adam Silver— has become a fucking supervillain.
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  It's, it's because they, they have no longer— can— I don't think Rob
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  Manfred and Adam Silver came into the league thinking, you know what I'm gonna do,
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  try to fuck the players as humanly I don't think Rob Manfred wants a fucking
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  salary cap. I actually— I'm glad you said that.
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  Yeah, I actually— Rob Manfred, I've met Rob many times.
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  He's not an idiot. Yeah, he's a very, very smart and sharp guy.
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  And Rob Manfred, who has made many mistakes and
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  I've given— I've called them out, I've given him shit for it. But I've
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  also been very clear on the positives of Rob Manfred.
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  If I— if I'll make this abundantly clear, if I had my choice between Bud
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  Selig and Rob Manfred, I'm taking Rob Manfred fucking
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  20 out of 20 times. Yeah, period.
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  Rob Manfred has been a net positive for Major League Baseball. Has he made mistakes?
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  No question. Are we coming up to what is maybe the
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  scariest time in baseball history? We are. We legitimately are.
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  And the peripheral around it is really causing extra problems. Don't worry,
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  we will get to it. Yeah, but I, I have to say, I agree
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  with you. Yeah. Rob Manfred might be toeing the line what the owners want him
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  to do. Yeah, but Rob Manfred, I think, firmly believes and firmly knows for
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  a fact that a salary cap would actually be a net negative for Major League
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  Baseball. But he has no ability to actually voice that.
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  Zero. So he is going to sell what the owners want, and that's what the
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  WNBA commissioner is going to do too. And I don't, I don't think Nneka
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  should even have to fucking do that. I just don't think she should even have
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  to do that. She could be utilized to build the game in ways that are
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  so much more suited for her as a player advocate. She would be stripped of
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  her player advocacy as a commissioner. She would, point blank, no question.
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  Um, as far as the WNBA and where it's at right now that doesn't
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  feature a piece of shit, um, the WNBA playoff picture is shaping
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  up. As of today, the top 7 teams in the standings have clinched postseason berths.
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  So that's the Lynx, the Valkyries, the Aces, the Dream,
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  the Fever, the Liberty, and the Washington Mystics. Um, and then,
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  uh, fighting for the WNBA Finals spot is the Dallas Wings, who are in the
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  driver's seat for the 8th and final spot, uh, but mathematically, technically, the Portland Fire
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  are still in it. Um, so we're assuming the Wings will make it
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  through. That's, you know, Paige Bueckers is, is the face, sort of
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  the star of that team, but they have a lot of really good young talent.
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  And it's, uh, it's a top— it's
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  a huge deal for Angel Reese, who is one of the most famous players in
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  the WNBA but had not made the playoffs until this year.
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  This is her 3rd year in the league and this is her first time making
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  the playoffs. She's been on a heater since missing her game-winning layup
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  against the Fever, and she recently
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  had 31 points, career record 31
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  points for her, 14 rebounds, 4 steals. I did
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  the, I did the quick little lookup. That's happened one time in
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  the history of the WNBA. One player in the history of the WNBA
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  has ever scored 31 points with 14 rebounds and at least 4 steals. And that
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  was Tamika Catchings in 2002. So she's doing shit
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  we've never seen before, you know? And I'm really excited for someone of
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  her caliber and her status to be in the, in the playoffs. I think it's
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  going to help to be in the playoffs with Caitlin Clark, with all of
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  the superstars, Nafissa Collier and Olivia Miles in Minnesota,
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  with the Big 3 on the Aces, with Paige Bueckers. This is going to
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  be fucking awesome. Not to mention we still got you know, Breanna Stewart,
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  who's one of the greatest players we've ever seen, playing in, in New York.
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  So it's going to be a really good playoffs, and I really
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  am looking forward to maybe watching some games with you,
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  watching, getting an opportunity to enjoy this playoffs the way we did the, the NBA
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  playoffs and talking fucking basketball. It'll be great. I think that that's something that's,
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  that's on my radar in the middle of NFL season,
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  making sure that we're uplifting this league that deserves
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  to be uplifted. And that's the other thing. I'm glad you actually said that.
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  It deserves to be uplifted. This league has been
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  on the upswing for the last decade, and it
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  is the most— it's funny, DFish has described it in private so many times.
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  It is a booming fucking stock right now. A booming stock.
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  Not talking about it is insane considering the
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  fact that it is booming. Like, I can understand not wanting to, you know,
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  not talking about it 10 years ago because it wasn't booming at the time.
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  It has been. Oh, it's in the headlines now. It's, it's leading, it's leading,
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  you know, shows and everything else, and it's time that everybody get on board.
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  It's fucking good. The basketball's so good, dude. The basketball is so good.
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  It's so fun. The games are so fun. Um,
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  like, anybody who hasn't clocked into women's basketball in a minute, you know,
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  I think would be surprised at just like that
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  these women are fucking ballers. They're fucking ballers. They've always been ballers.
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  And the thing is, I I've been reflecting on this because as a
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  kid, uh, women's basketball was
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  a big deal. I don't— we were exactly the same age when we were young.
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  The women's basketball stars were fucking so famous. Sheryl Swoopes was so famous.
• 19:59
  Lisa Leslie was so famous. Dude, unquestionably. Like, here's the thing, if you grew up
• 20:03
  in the '90s like we grew up in the '90s specifically, if you watch Nickelodeon
• 20:06
  like we all fucking did, dude, like Sheryl Swoopes and fucking— they were, they were
• 20:09
  on every fucking show. It was so fucking popular at
• 20:13
  the time. I think everyone's completely forgotten this altogether. They have. They've rewritten— because
• 20:18
  first of all, fame used to be a different thing back then because social media
• 20:21
  wasn't watering it down. So I, like, when I was— I didn't, like,
• 20:24
  sit down and watch WNBA games as a kid. I knew who Lisa,
• 20:28
  who Cheryl, who, uh, who Rebecca Lobo,
• 20:31
  all of these superstars on those teams, and Cheryl Miller, who obviously
• 20:36
  was like— came ahead of them. Like, I knew who all these people were,
• 20:39
  not only from the Olympics, the 1996 Olympics,
• 20:42
  but then also the start of the WNBA right after that.
• 20:46
  They were so fucking famous. So like, this idea that we've
• 20:50
  never seen superstardom of this caliber is not
• 20:54
  true. We haven't seen this level of like, of consistent
• 20:59
  coverage of the WNBA, but we've had stars like this.
• 21:03
  And like, we've had— and it was, it was It's
• 21:06
  interesting that the backlash now almost seems more sexist
• 21:11
  and misogynist than it was 25, 30 years ago. Like when
• 21:15
  I was a little kid, no, no fucking little boy was like, oh, Sheryl Swoopes
• 21:18
  is lame. They didn't. That's not the— that's not what it was.
• 21:22
  It's fucking embarrassing. Like, here's the thing. Like, I firmly believe,
• 21:25
  like, I apologize for what I said earlier because here's the thing. When I said
• 21:28
  that I feel like they can't protect it, these women don't need protection.
• 21:32
  Like the people they need protection from are the people
• 21:35
  that are saying they need to be protected. That's the weirdest fucking juxtaposition
• 21:40
  of this whole fucking— I mean, they need that. Well, they're creating a scenario where,
• 21:43
  where they are now getting in physical danger. Yeah, but that's not what—
• 21:46
  that's not like— they don't need to be protected from a fucking trans woman or
• 21:50
  from anybody. They can, they can ball and build their league just fine.
• 21:54
  Just fucking fine. But if you're going to— but what you really need to be
• 21:57
  protected from is straight white men, apparently. Apparently that is just the— that is just
• 22:01
  the way it goes. I— it's— but you know what, shout out to fucking Sheryl
• 22:04
  Swoopes, shout out to Lisa Leslie, shout out to these women who were famous as
• 22:07
  fuck as a kid that made me never even question that women's— that
• 22:12
  women— Mia Hamm on the soccer side, dude. Like, Mia Hamm was the most famous
• 22:16
  soccer— she might still be like the most famous American soccer player who's ever fucking
• 22:20
  lived. So like, I as a little girl— and then the gymnasts,
• 22:24
  how famous they were, as the, the figure skaters— as a little girl, I thought
• 22:27
  It would— like, it didn't occur to me that women couldn't be famous athletes.
• 22:31
  And I'm so— it's so regressive where we're at. So anyways,
• 22:35
  that's, you know, that's it for headline number 1. So let's get to the good
• 22:39
  news. Headline number 2: the Browns made a great announcement
• 22:43
  today. Deshaun Watson was named Browns QB1.
• 22:46
  He said this, uh, he, he— this
• 22:50
  comes after he said some bizarre shit about his fans. It was a really good
• 22:53
  press conference. It was a really good press conference. I really think he set himself
• 22:56
  up in a good way. I have no doubt that every fan in Cleveland's really
• 22:59
  excited about this upcoming season. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, uh, he won the competition
• 23:03
  with, uh, second-year player Shedeur Sanders that began in the offseason and stretched into the
• 23:07
  first 2 preseason games. Sanders will be Watson's backup. Uh,
• 23:12
  big news for Dylan Gabriel. Uh,
• 23:15
  Todd Monken— I'm gonna read what he said— took in the full body
• 23:19
  of work over the course of the offseason, to training camp, to the games,
• 23:21
  the joint practice, and ultimately felt like to start the season on the road.
• 23:24
  Deshaun gave us the best chance to move the ball and score points. I mean,
• 23:27
  that's what it's really about. He also said that this is not a week-to-week
• 23:31
  proposition. So, um, until it becomes week-to-week,
• 23:35
  it's not week-to-week. You and I both know it's absolutely fucking week-to-week when
• 23:39
  it comes to Deshaun Watson. Uh, the decision comes despite Watson's struggles
• 23:43
  in the second preseason game on Saturday, during which he completed 5 of 12
• 23:46
  passes for 35 yards and a pick over 4 second-half drives.
• 23:50
  The seats at Huntington Bank Field were half full, but the boos were pronounced.
• 23:55
  On Monday, Watson opened his press conference with a 2-minute statement
• 23:59
  in which he apologized for his postgame comments, in which he told
• 24:03
  the fans he found it disrespectful and that he did not believe it was about
• 24:07
  his performance but his personal stuff, which he
• 24:11
  wasn't going to comment on. He was going to keep that between his wife and
• 24:14
  his family. So we are at the most
• 24:19
  embarrassing Browns timeline in a lifetime of
• 24:22
  embarrassing Browns timelines. Cody, I did not know.
• 24:26
  I truly did not know the Browns could sink lower than the
• 24:30
  bar they'd set in hell. What's below hell? Is there something
• 24:34
  below hell? Because that's where the fucking Browns
• 24:38
  are. And the I saw— I
• 24:44
  don't know who said it, but someone said Browns fans got to just not
• 24:48
  go to these fucking games. True. It's got to be fucking done. When is enough
• 24:51
  enough? I'm hoping that this actually leads to a much bigger thing. For instance,
• 24:54
  I don't know if you've seen all the renderings of what the Browns and the
• 24:56
  Haslams are trying to get done with a publicly funded stadium. Yeah. Don't give them
• 25:00
  a fucking penny. By the way, they're worth $12 billion. Not a fucking penny.
• 25:03
  The fact that they put that out was so comical to me. I'm like,
• 25:07
  you want taxpayer money? For this shit? Like, you legitimately want the city
• 25:11
  of Cleveland to give the most loser-ass franchise in the history of the city?
• 25:14
  They think they can get away with it because of the fucking Baltimore move.
• 25:16
  They think that they'll do anything to keep the Browns. I, I,
• 25:19
  I think that Cleveland should do anything they can to get rid of the Haslams
• 25:23
  and the Browns. They should try to convince the Browns to move fucking again.
• 25:26
  That's honestly what they— the only recourse I feel like Cleveland has at
• 25:29
  this point. Call their fucking bluff. Just call their fucking bluff. Go ahead and fucking
• 25:33
  move out. We'll restart the Browns again with a fucking owner that's not—
• 25:37
  I mean, like, if It would have to be an America boycott. We could all
• 25:40
  come together. Don't move to our city. We're not paying for it. I can't stress
• 25:42
  this enough. I think everyone should boycott the Haslams, period, over this whole thing,
• 25:46
  because I have no doubt, despite what Todd Monken said, Todd Monken's never been an
• 25:50
  NFL head coach. He's been a head coach at Southern Miss. He's been in the
• 25:52
  NFL in peripheral. He's been very successful in his jobs that he's been in,
• 25:55
  but he's never been a head coach. So he had the pleasure of fucking— his
• 25:58
  last OC was as the OC of fucking Lamar Jackson. Lamar goddamn Jackson.
• 26:02
  Wow. So let's be real. What a fucking genius. He gets a lot of credit
• 26:05
  for a guy that was already an MVP. Before you even fucking step through the
• 26:08
  door. But that being said, okay, Todd Monken's had some success in his career.
• 26:11
  This is his first opportunity being a head coach. No question,
• 26:15
  no question in my mind was one of the questions during his interview
• 26:19
  process, will you start, uh, Deshaun Watson if we tell you to? And his
• 26:22
  answer was, well, I'm, I'm not going to get another fucking opportunity
• 26:26
  to be a head coach. The answer is yes. And look where we currently are,
• 26:29
  because Deshaun Watson sure as fuck didn't earn the job with his play. He sure
• 26:33
  as fuck didn't earn the job with his conduct off the field. He sure as
• 26:37
  hell hasn't earned the job with his health factor. He earned the job because somehow
• 26:40
  the Haslams made the dumbest business decision in the history of sports.
• 26:44
  The history of sports. There's been a lot of bad contracts
• 26:48
  out there in the history of sports. This is firmly the worst one that's ever
• 26:51
  taken place. And I'll tell you this much, Todd Monken definitely
• 26:56
  did not even make the decision on this announcement. What happened was the Haslams
• 27:00
  saw the backlash to what Deshaun Watson said after the preseason game
• 27:04
  on Saturday and said, we're doubling down, we're getting out from underneath this, we're not
• 27:08
  going to fucking do this anymore. We know Deshaun's going to be the starter this
• 27:11
  year because we decided it before the season. So they saw that and
• 27:15
  made Todd go out there and do it after all that.
• 27:19
  And that press conference with dick in his hand, like,
• 27:22
  I mean, truly embarrassing shit. Now,
• 27:26
  They have Shedeur Sanders. This isn't even a situation where they've
• 27:30
  got literally no option. Shedeur, young struggling
• 27:34
  rookie who did a couple impressive things as a rookie, who they,
• 27:37
  if they just invested in, could maybe be something.
• 27:41
  Maybe they refuse to do it. Okay,
• 27:45
  here's the thing. I've been reflecting on Deshaun a lot over the
• 27:49
  last couple of days. I've been talking about it a lot on the internet.
• 27:53
  We are coming up— we are basically at, like,
• 27:56
  right now, the 10-year anniversary of the first time that Colin
• 28:00
  Kaepernick decided to peacefully protest police brutality
• 28:06
  against Black people on an NFL sideline.
• 28:09
  He first started sitting, then he went to a Green Beret, had a discussion
• 28:13
  with him, and decided kneeling was the more respectful way to do it. Started kneeling.
• 28:17
  You know the fucking rest. Yes, I do.
• 28:20
  Here we are. Deshaun Watson has been named the starter of the Cleveland
• 28:25
  Browns 10 years later. Yes. Mocha, can you pull up a graphic
• 28:28
  for me? That graphic of Deshaun Watson and Colin
• 28:32
  Kaepernick. Okay. I want you guys to look at these
• 28:35
  numbers because these are the
• 28:39
  last 3 seasons that Colin Kaepernick ever played and the last
• 28:42
  3 seasons that Deshaun Watson has played his 3— the
• 28:46
  3 seasons that he was healthy enough to play for the Browns.
• 28:50
  Okay, so this is a tale of 2 3-season
• 28:54
  stretches. One quarterback played for 3 coaches in 3
• 28:58
  seasons. The other just got their first new head coach in his 5th
• 29:01
  season there. One quarterback played in 2 conference championship
• 29:05
  games and a Super Bowl when he was on a good team. The other
• 29:09
  never made a championship game when he was on a good team.
• 29:13
  One was blackballed out of the NFL after this for kneeling to
• 29:16
  protest police brutality against Black people. The other has 27
• 29:20
  allegations of sexual assault and was just named the starter. Now,
• 29:25
  though, which one do you think should have been fucking blackballed
• 29:29
  based on those numbers over their last 3 seasons?
• 29:33
  And which one should be the starter? I think we all know
• 29:36
  where the fuck I'm going with this.
• 29:41
  The time during, during the time of
• 29:44
  Colin Kaepernick's protest and then his, his ensuing blackballing,
• 29:49
  the argument was always he wasn't good enough to justify the distraction. He had injury
• 29:53
  issues and he was too controversial. The NFL was never going to allow it
• 29:57
  and he should have known that.
• 30:00
  It's almost like that was not— that was never really what it was fucking about,
• 30:03
  Cody, was it? Because if those were, if those were deal breakers if
• 30:08
  those were deal breakers— distraction, fucking character questions from the
• 30:11
  NFL, injury issues— Deshaun Watson
• 30:15
  wouldn't have a roster spot. They proved it to us with Colin Kaepernick,
• 30:18
  right? Yo, no, you're dead. So, so they have just fully—
• 30:22
  now we've always known, we've always known. Everybody who watches this show has
• 30:25
  always fucking known. Always. But to so obviously
• 30:29
  tell us, oh no, no, we didn't actually care about any of that No,
• 30:33
  Colin Kaepernick absolutely could have been a starter. Deshaun Watson could be a starter.
• 30:37
  It's just all about what we fucking care about and what we actually don't
• 30:41
  care about, which is sexually assaulting over a dozen women. All we care
• 30:44
  about in this weird-ass country at this point is culture war.
• 30:48
  I'm watching the culture war tick up again right now because we
• 30:52
  got an election in November and God forbid you pay attention to anything that's actually
• 30:55
  taking place in the world. No, it's trans athletes that are causing
• 30:59
  the problem in the world somehow. There are none, but their trans athletes
• 31:03
  are really causing the problem in the world. It's not the price of living,
• 31:06
  it's not the price of food, it's not that our food is now all of
• 31:09
  a sudden fucking killing us. It sure as hell is not a war that's causing
• 31:12
  gas prices and all the prices in the world, Colin. It's trans athletes,
• 31:16
  and that's a bigger problem. No, you can't, you can't protest anything
• 31:19
  that's taking place in the world, especially when it comes to, I don't know,
• 31:22
  ICE raids or anything like that, or brutality against any minorities
• 31:25
  in this country. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, that, that,
• 31:27
  that's where the problem actually is. That's anti-American. Actually, it's like
• 31:32
  the most American fucking thing you can actually do. But let's forget about that because
• 31:35
  nothing's more important than the fucking culture war for a bunch of
• 31:39
  fucking idiots. I had a lot of fun fucking deleting
• 31:42
  a lot of people from my social medias today. People that I had a
• 31:46
  feeling, but they went ahead and outed themselves anyways. This is over redacted.
• 31:50
  Oh yeah. We're like, I, I'm just, I am Blown the fuck away
• 31:56
  by what is mattering to certain people
• 31:59
  and how stupid they actually are. And what isn't mattering. Yeah,
• 32:03
  what doesn't matter to you is baffling to me.
• 32:06
  Like, I've said this to you before and I'll say it again. When people get
• 32:09
  mad at me, say to me, it was like, why are you getting mad?
• 32:12
  Why are you raising your voice? Why are you animated? Why the fuck
• 32:15
  aren't you? That's actually the real question. Why does none
• 32:19
  of this shit actually matter to you? Things in the world actually matter, but the
• 32:23
  things that fucking don't seem to be the things that stick in all your craws.
• 32:26
  And I don't get that, like, even remotely.
• 32:29
  I've said this months ago, I joke about it. I know I'm intelligent,
• 32:32
  but I don't think I'm that intelligent.
• 32:35
  Apparently, according to who I'm surrounded with on Earth, I'm a fucking
• 32:39
  genius, 'cause everyone's so fucking stupid. Well, emotional intelligence
• 32:43
  is really underrated. And, you know, when it comes to Deshaun
• 32:47
  Watson, the really difficult part of talking about it is that if
• 32:51
  I talk about the football, it's almost like, should I even be talking about the
• 32:54
  football? We shouldn't be talking about his football. He should not be in the league.
• 32:56
  But the football speaks for itself too. I don't care that he wasn't indicted.
• 32:59
  Oh my God. A guy with whose the majority of their accusers was
• 33:03
  Black women didn't get an indictment. I'm so fucking shocked.
• 33:07
  No way. I don't care that he didn't get indicted. I'm not asking you to
• 33:10
  put him in prison on no charges. I'm asking him to not be an NFL
• 33:12
  quarterback. That's literally it. But if we are going to talk about
• 33:16
  the football, Cody, I just showed you the fucking graphic. He's trash. He's been trash.
• 33:20
  He's been cooked. And it's not just because he's had injury
• 33:24
  issues. Certainly there could be a part of it that just like he's not
• 33:27
  coming back from those injuries. He also, but from,
• 33:31
  from very good sources that I trust, has no fucking work ethic.
• 33:35
  And he— the ego that he approaches these conversations with makes
• 33:39
  it very clear that he doesn't seem to think he has to work very hard
• 33:42
  for the things that he gets. And why would he? He assaulted 27 women
• 33:45
  and then got a $230 million guaranteed contract.
• 33:48
  A contract so rich and so egregious that the rest of the NFL colluded
• 33:53
  to make sure no other Black quarterback got it. All the fucking quarterbacks
• 33:57
  that get their asses handed to them time and time again while being fucking MVPs
• 34:00
  and Super Bowl contenders. And you're going to protect Deshaun Watson? I'm curious. Fuck you.
• 34:04
  I'm really curious, Tonya. There are— how many articles
• 34:08
  have come out from Browns camp about, about how problematic
• 34:12
  Deshaun Watson is? How many articles have you read? Couple.
• 34:16
  How many articles have you read about, uh, Jalen Hurts being problematic in the Eagles
• 34:19
  locker room? About 795. Yes. So,
• 34:24
  um, how about the shit? What the fuck? By the way,
• 34:27
  we have heard more shit about the character and the
• 34:30
  decision-making and the work ethic of,
• 34:35
  of Shedeur Sanders. Yes, we have. Oh, unquestionably.
• 34:38
  Than Deshaun Watson in the last 2 years. And Shador Sanders does nothing
• 34:42
  but just deliver fucking gems on the mic and be kind
• 34:46
  of a dingbat. Like, he's so nice. He's trying— like,
• 34:50
  he didn't know he was supposed to go out to the coin toss the other
• 34:52
  day. He was named captain by Todd Monken for the game, and he didn't know
• 34:55
  that. He was like— he thought it was just like kind of honorary. He didn't
• 34:58
  realize it. So he didn't go to the coin toss. Like, and he was joking
• 35:01
  about it with Adede Kinguwalla after the game, or at half, you know, during the
• 35:05
  second half when he was out of the game. He was like, yeah, that was—
• 35:07
  I, I guess I did, like, didn't really understand, but coach made me the captain
• 35:10
  and whatever. He's so like— these are the things that people are more
• 35:14
  mad about than fucking Deshaun Watson
• 35:20
  even saying the things that he said at the— like, you can tell
• 35:24
  who a leader is. He was saying— Shedeur was saying amazing things
• 35:28
  about his offensive line. He was saying that like, no matter what,
• 35:31
  things aren't always going to happen, and he doesn't dictate what happens for
• 35:34
  him in his time. He does not. That, that at the end of the day,
• 35:36
  like, if you think you're gonna dictate how things
• 35:39
  go for you and the time frame is going to happen for you, you're going
• 35:42
  to disappoint yourself. I mean, he's a really intelligent and like thoughtful
• 35:46
  kid, and it just drives me fucking nuts that the timeline
• 35:50
  we live in is this one. The only thing, Cody, the only thing that
• 35:54
  I will be positive about in this story is that I've
• 35:58
  not seen a single fucking person try to defend this. I've not seen a single
• 36:02
  fucking person. It's the only thing that seemingly we're all in agreement on. You know
• 36:05
  what I saw today? Dan Orlovsky going in on
• 36:09
  this decision. Really? Yeah. So like,
• 36:12
  I couldn't find even a nemesis to disagree with
• 36:16
  me on this. So like, look at you, Dan. I know. Protect our
• 36:19
  women. Good job. Well, also, you know, there's probably plenty of reasons
• 36:23
  that Dan Orlovsky might not like Deshaun Watson that aren't the right ones. Well,
• 36:26
  but we've seen the lists. Yeah, exactly. He's like, I'll excuse
• 36:31
  27 sexual assaults, but being a Black quarterback is the line I'm drawing.
• 36:35
  But like, at the end of the day, obviously he believes Shedeur Sanders should be
• 36:39
  starting. Everybody believes Shedeur Sanders should be starting. Deshaun Watson is
• 36:43
  a fucking joke. And so that's a— when we can reach consensus
• 36:47
  in a place where we never reach consensus as a sports media,
• 36:51
  that is like one tiny silver lining.
• 36:53
  And Todd Monken can say all he wants that Deshaun Watson
• 36:58
  is not going to be week to week. If that motherfucker is starting by week
• 37:00
  8, I'll be shocked. I listen, it's,
• 37:03
  it's going to be interesting, to say the least, but not for the right reasons.
• 37:07
  It's like morbid curiosity at this point.
• 37:11
  And I didn't, you know, I was never like the biggest Shedeur Sanders fan,
• 37:14
  but like, this has weirdly turned me into one. Like, I'm like legitimately
• 37:19
  rooting for Shedeur Sanders. I want that dude to get released so bad. Let him
• 37:22
  go. Like, like the way that they are using
• 37:25
  him and not giving him the chance to do what he needs. Just let him
• 37:28
  go and then go back up a good quarterback. Mark Summers does make this point.
• 37:31
  And don't worry, as much as we're going all in on Deshaun Watson, which by
• 37:35
  the way, we all should go fucking way all in on Deshaun Watson. You are
• 37:38
  right. And we have said this multiple times. Watson didn't sign himself. You are right.
• 37:42
  Trust me. Fuck the Haslams. Fuck them. Fuck them. Fuck them. They're the fucking worst.
• 37:45
  Fuck them. That sort of goes without saying. We've talked about
• 37:49
  how shitty the contract is 4 million times. Yeah. We talked about the fact
• 37:53
  that the Oaters themselves were pissed about the actual deal. The Haslams
• 37:57
  screwed all the owners like into a situation where then they started colluding.
• 38:02
  Like, yeah, we spent a part of this show already talking about the Haslams.
• 38:05
  Let's make no question here. Like, these guys suck. These are— all these guys suck.
• 38:09
  We just talked about the fact that the Haslams are the ones starting Deshaun Watson.
• 38:12
  So like, yeah, obviously. Yeah. All right. Moving on
• 38:16
  to baseball. Our formerly—
• 38:20
  the aforementioned Rob Manfred. Headline number 3,
• 38:23
  amid MLB labor talks, says we want to play
• 38:27
  in 2027. Not exactly news, but let's get into exactly what he's talking
• 38:31
  about here. Yes. As MLB owners and the MLB Players Association
• 38:34
  continue negotiating a new collective bargaining agreement,
• 38:37
  the current CBA expires on December 1st.
• 38:40
  There are a lot of questions facing the sport, including the possibility of a work
• 38:43
  stoppage. We're meeting regularly, which is good, Manfred said,
• 38:47
  told ESPN during the Little League Classic. About the labor talks,
• 38:50
  said every week we've had days where we've met with the players. It's early,
• 38:54
  but we've got a lot of work to do and we're at it. Our goal
• 38:56
  is to make a deal. We know we want to make a deal. We know
• 38:59
  we want to play baseball next year. Dude, we fucking know. We're planning
• 39:03
  on playing baseball next year. Now that, that part's— that part,
• 39:06
  that part is the part I pulled me up a little bit. The rest makes
• 39:10
  sense. So owners' main goal in negotiations is to seek some sort
• 39:14
  of a salary cap system. The MLBPA, while arguing that overhauling the economic system
• 39:18
  is unnecessary, Would like to increase— would like increases to the minimum salary,
• 39:22
  less restriction to the luxury tax threshold, and further enhancements to the
• 39:26
  pre-arbitration bonus pool. Service time, the international draft,
• 39:29
  and TV revenue are other sticking points. Normal shit.
• 39:34
  I— we're planning on playing baseball next
• 39:38
  year. Listen, we're in the middle of a baseball season right now. Whatever negotiations
• 39:41
  they've got going, those aren't— those are not what the negotiations
• 39:45
  are going to look like at all by November. I don't need to tell you
• 39:47
  that, but I just wanted you to know that I know that because
• 39:51
  I am cool. You're cool. Cool chick.
• 39:55
  Cool chick, this Tanya Ray Fox. Uh, but tell the people a little bit about
• 39:58
  like what— why, you know, we have said very specifically that
• 40:02
  we don't believe that there will be baseball next year,
• 40:06
  or we at the very least we are going to miss some baseball next
• 40:10
  year. I think we're gonna get— I shit you not— like a 70 to 75
• 40:14
  game season. So you do think we'll get— I think we will get baseball.
• 40:16
  But I don't think it's going to be till summer. It's not going to be
• 40:19
  until July. I think it's going to be— I think it's going to be a
• 40:22
  long fucking wait is what I think it's going to be. Because if the owners
• 40:25
  are going to ram through the salary cap, which that's their goal, that's what their
• 40:28
  goal always is. Yeah. The good news, the good news is
• 40:32
  that some fans have wisened up. That's the good news. Okay. Because I have
• 40:36
  not enough. Okay. Not enough. Some fans have wisened up. I'm going
• 40:40
  to take a little bit of credit for that. We've been really riding this,
• 40:42
  riding this beat because it's been very difficult for the owners to keep trying to
• 40:46
  plow through these greedy players. It really is. Now,
• 40:50
  do I think the Players Association is fucking perfect?
• 40:53
  Goddamn no. No. Fuck no. But historically, they are the
• 40:57
  most respected PA. Unquestionably the most respected PA. They're the most powerful
• 41:01
  PA, and they're the PA that can actually cause actual change to their
• 41:04
  respective sport. Other PAs cannot do that. The NFLPA is never gonna touch the
• 41:08
  NFL, ever. They had their chance in 2010, they shit-fucked
• 41:12
  it, and they're never gonna get it back. Well, NFLPA leadership is always fucking the
• 41:16
  players, even in the PA. Yes. Like it's— or the leadership in the PA that
• 41:20
  are, that are player-based. Now make no mistake, I was in the PA and I
• 41:22
  firmly believe the Major League Baseball PA— and yes, I said the Major League
• 41:27
  Baseball, I'll say the MLB. Those of you that are sticklers on the MLB,
• 41:30
  shut the fuck up. They're also— you don't cover sports, so you actually don't get
• 41:34
  to decide who— how we say it. Yeah, that's the interesting part is that actually
• 41:37
  we're the ones who cover sports. He was in the MLB and I have
• 41:41
  actually covered the MLB, so it's interesting that you think you would be able to
• 41:44
  tell us that. That is true. The Major League Baseball Players Association, I firmly believe,
• 41:47
  has many times lost their way. I got into a shouting match. Well, I wouldn't
• 41:51
  say shouting match, but I got into a very— it was shouting. It was shouting.
• 41:54
  It was a stern conversation with Tony Clark, the former head of the PA,
• 41:57
  who's now disgraced with all his personal conduct. Yeah. And it was
• 42:01
  simply this. At the time, I felt like the PA had really lost their way
• 42:04
  because they were not caring about the players. They were caring about the rich players.
• 42:07
  And of course, they still very much care about the rich players and the richest
• 42:11
  players. But not nearly as bad as it was in, say, 2015 when I was
• 42:14
  with the Royals straight after they won the World Series. We had a whole meeting
• 42:17
  with— sorry, not with Rob Manfred, with Tony Clark, where he
• 42:21
  was going over a lot of things. And there were some issues in there that
• 42:24
  I firmly agreed with. One, they were really against— specifically,
• 42:27
  they were terrified at the time of wearable technology. The Players Association's
• 42:32
  biggest fear at the time was wearable technology. And I understood why. There were certain
• 42:35
  phrases that were going, being put through baseball media, oh, they— we like low heart
• 42:40
  rate guys. And I remember saying, that's not a phrase. Where the fuck that phrase
• 42:42
  come from? Why are you talking about heart rates? Heart rates all of a sudden
• 42:46
  is not a thing that people talk about. They were talking about it because they
• 42:48
  wanted to get the players' heart rates so they can start fucking using it against
• 42:52
  them in arbitration. I understood them trying to keep Major League Baseball
• 42:56
  from like hiding wearable tech in jerseys, which was a legitimate fear
• 43:00
  at the time. Now, that being said, I think the technology on the field is
• 43:03
  already that already dead because I'm pretty sure they have our heart rates on the
• 43:07
  field now based on the technology they just have out there at this point.
• 43:10
  That being said, I agreed with that, but the rest was all about
• 43:13
  player comforts and that really concerned me. The fact they were like,
• 43:17
  yeah, we want to make sure we have a chef in every single clubhouse.
• 43:19
  We want to make sure you have this. Meanwhile, meanwhile, meanwhile,
• 43:23
  minor league players can't afford like homes.
• 43:26
  Yeah, I had just got to the big leagues,
• 43:29
  like just got to the big leagues after 7 years of toiling away. I broke
• 43:33
  every offensive record the San Diego Padres had. I asked for my release
• 43:38
  on almost a weekly fucking basis because they wouldn't promote me.
• 43:41
  And at that point, they stopped playing me at whatever respective level I
• 43:45
  was at. They would get another prospect, they would start playing him, he would underperform
• 43:47
  and get hurt. I'd go back in and I'd break more records, and then they
• 43:50
  wouldn't call me up every single September. It was a fucking nightmare. I couldn't
• 43:53
  afford to live. I had to live out of my Honda Element for 2 separate
• 43:57
  seasons, both of which I was in AAA for. Um, it was a
• 44:01
  nightmare. Uh, salary in the minor league baseball didn't go up
• 44:05
  for 70 fucking years while,
• 44:08
  while the American inflation had gone up over 400%.
• 44:12
  Salaries in minor league baseball had only gone up like 50%.
• 44:16
  And didn't— now recently the Minor
• 44:20
  League Players Association has become— has been
• 44:24
  brought in to almost like not absorbed, but like now negotiates,
• 44:29
  uh, within the umbrella of the MLBPA. So that's a massive
• 44:33
  upgrade, right? And those players are getting paid a slightly better salary,
• 44:36
  right? A livable wage. But they have their own CBA, am I not— is that
• 44:40
  correct? Or is it minor leagues? No, it's kind of their own. Do they negotiate
• 44:44
  their own stuff, or are they part of the— now they're part of the negotiation,
• 44:47
  everything, MLBPA. So, but I do like that because this,
• 44:51
  in this current CBA negotiation, they will have a voice
• 44:55
  that you guys didn't necessarily previously have as minor league players because
• 45:00
  it was a separate negotiation before. Agreed. But here's the thing, getting back to the
• 45:03
  point of talking to Tony Clark, in that— in that talk, after we were done
• 45:06
  with that entire thing where he spent, I shit you not, 20 minutes
• 45:11
  call— uh, talking about specifically Eric Hosmer and Mike Moustakas, how they don't need to
• 45:15
  sign so many autographs unless they're being compensated, and I'm sitting here going like,
• 45:18
  are you fucking kidding me? Are you— I lived in my fucking car last year.
• 45:22
  Wait, Eric Hosmer was worried about how many autographs he was signing? Eric was not.
• 45:26
  It was Tony Clark. I apologize if I made this sound like— I like Eric
• 45:29
  Hosmer. I like Eric too. Uh, I apologize. Eric, Eric was
• 45:33
  not a part of this conversation. He was just in the room. Justice for Moose.
• 45:37
  They were just in the room. He was using them as examples. Yeah. And I
• 45:41
  remember afterwards I went right up to him like, Tony, what the fuck? Like,
• 45:44
  they're like I'm not protected. I'm in the union right now, but my contract
• 45:48
  right now is not guaranteed. If these guys send me down, decide to release me,
• 45:50
  I'm fucked. I don't have health insurance, I don't have anything, and I'm just dead
• 45:54
  in the water, and you guys aren't protecting me. When are you gonna protect me?
• 45:57
  Like, I'm in— I've paid these dues both literally and fucking
• 46:01
  figuratively, and figuratively in fucking buckets
• 46:05
  and buckets and buckets, more than anyone in that clubhouse at that exact time.
• 46:09
  And I'll never forget what Tony Clark fucking said to me.
• 46:12
  And I'll never forget my response to him. He just looked at me, he's like,
• 46:15
  well, Deck, you gotta understand, man, you were never supposed to make it.
• 46:18
  And I just fucking stared at him for what, what felt— it must have been
• 46:21
  3 seconds, but in my mind it was an hour. I just
• 46:25
  stared at him and I wanted to fucking punch him. I just stared at him
• 46:28
  like, I don't know what question you
• 46:32
  thought I just asked you, but that sure as fuck was not an answer to
• 46:35
  the question I just asked. Do I need to ask the question again? And he
• 46:38
  kind of stepped back because he— I think he was a little scared that I
• 46:40
  fucking was ready to fucking kill him. He's like, well,
• 46:43
  no, no, it's just— to be honest, it's just not in the cards right now.
• 46:46
  I said, well, I'm not protected, that guy's not protected,
• 46:49
  and there's a room of 250 fucking minor leaguers in that room who actually
• 46:54
  need your protection. You know who doesn't need your fucking protection? Eric Hosmer signing
• 46:58
  fucking autographs. Again, this has nothing to do with Eric Hosmer. Eric Hosmer was
• 47:01
  a good teammate and he was just being used as example by Tony Clark,
• 47:04
  right? I, I can't stress this enough.
• 47:07
  The PA has lost their way many times, but the PA is needed. The PA
• 47:11
  is desperately needed. And the PA right now seems like they're as together
• 47:15
  as they can be considering the fact that the Tony Clark ousting recently— well,
• 47:19
  they have bigger fish to fry than autographs now. And so sometimes
• 47:22
  that's better for a PA, I hope, because what you're talking about and
• 47:26
  the, and the negotiations that you're talking about are the kind of bullshit
• 47:29
  that PAs get into when the league is resting on its laurels,
• 47:33
  when everything feels good and comfy. When you aren't fighting against a salary cap,
• 47:37
  you do start to focus on player luxuries and ignoring the fucking minor league players.
• 47:42
  The— this is the kind of thing that kicks people into high gear and they
• 47:46
  have a reputation to uphold. And the reality is, Cody, that what happens
• 47:49
  with the MLBPA, and I think we've said it on this show,
• 47:52
  but if we haven't, let's say it again, has ramifications
• 47:56
  across not only sports unions, but unions in the
• 48:00
  United States. Completely in ways that people don't fully understand.
• 48:04
  So, you know, I don't know if they fully understand
• 48:09
  that. I don't know if they fully feel that weight, but they should because
• 48:13
  they are the gold standard for sports league
• 48:17
  player unions. And them
• 48:22
  caving causes a ripple effect that I'm not
• 48:25
  sure team sports in the United States
• 48:30
  or unions in the United States are ready for quite frankly. Clay asks the question,
• 48:32
  and here's the truth. The truth is, I do not know for sure this answer,
• 48:36
  but I think because the minor league union has been brought
• 48:40
  into the Major League Baseball union, your question, would minor league baseball happen
• 48:44
  if there is a lockout based on, on how it's currently working?
• 48:47
  I believe no, no, I believe not at all. But I also want to point
• 48:51
  out there was a slight darkness to the minor leaguers being brought into the
• 48:55
  Major League Baseball PA. This was right after multiple levels of minor league
• 48:59
  baseball had been cut. Lots of jobs lost. Lots of cities, lots of small towns
• 49:03
  lost their— when was this? Economies.
• 49:05
  2021. Yeah, it was recent. Yeah. Like, I didn't know that.
• 49:09
  Oh, yeah. Yeah. They cut out whole leagues out of minor league baseball.
• 49:13
  So now there are less minor league baseball jobs available and Major League Baseball
• 49:17
  wants to cut more. And what they need to be doing is keeping who's
• 49:21
  there and paying them more. So this is— I mean, Jesus Christ. Like,
• 49:25
  I don't think you guys understand. If you look at the league revenue
• 49:29
  of the— of Major League Baseball, if you look at Major League Baseball revenue,
• 49:33
  it is on par with every single
• 49:37
  major league in the world outside of the NFL and to some extent the NBA,
• 49:41
  though they are fairly competitive in league revenue with the NBA. Yes,
• 49:45
  they are. They are like everybody who thinks like, oh, the Premier League, La Liga,
• 49:49
  fucking, you know, whatever, Hong Kong racing or,
• 49:52
  you know, cricket. No, Major League Baseball revenue is
• 49:57
  a worldwide— is like top 5 worldwide leader type revenue.
• 50:01
  We're— we're— this is fucking crazy. Major League Baseball is booming right now.
• 50:05
  Like, Major League Baseball is in arguably the biggest boom.
• 50:08
  It's like, yeah, it's been for years. Yeah, but like right now we're in one
• 50:11
  of the biggest booms in baseball history. So like all of
• 50:15
  this disingenuous shit that we can't afford this, and I— you got to hand it
• 50:19
  to Major League Baseball that they've created a new fucking boogeyman man. No, it's not
• 50:22
  the players anymore. It's the Dodgers that's really causing all the problems. We have
• 50:25
  developed quite a, like, an ESPN situation
• 50:29
  because the next part of this story that I was just
• 50:34
  pulling up while you were speaking is the boogeyman, the Dodgers, and what has now
• 50:38
  happened with them potentially losing leverage.
• 50:41
  You know, this whole thing that's happening with Mark Walter, the owner of the Dodgers,
• 50:45
  and sort of dissolving the tension and the scariness of
• 50:49
  the Dodgers works against the MLB
• 50:53
  owners big time. It works against the league big time. And that's
• 50:57
  why I wanted to sort of transition into that part of the story, because a
• 51:01
  lot of this was being pinned on the Dodgers. So we can't compete against the
• 51:04
  Dodgers. We can't do this. We can't do that. We need a salary cap.
• 51:06
  How are we supposed to compete against the Dodgers? Now, we've already broken that down,
• 51:09
  guys. Go look up the fucking— there's a ton of stuff on us. Like,
• 51:13
  learn how to use Google. You Google our show and that particular
• 51:17
  segment. Guarding, like, share, and subscribe, this stuff, you will find it. But the
• 51:21
  reality is that the Mark Walter stuff is getting more and more shady the longer
• 51:25
  that it goes on. Um, he was supposedly,
• 51:28
  you know, gonna make a massive windfall in the sale
• 51:32
  of the Lakers. That whole thing's a disaster.
• 51:36
  Holy shit. Here's the— that's a whole disaster that you and I haven't
• 51:40
  even discussed. Like, you have to understand, like, that sale to the Lakers, which by
• 51:43
  the way is a— the last I checked, Jeanie Buss is still not letting
• 51:47
  it happen. As of now, is not letting the final 17% go.
• 51:51
  Yeah, I don't know what kind of legal recourse she has. Apparently, according to the
• 51:55
  lawyers, she does. So I'm looking forward to seeing fucking Succession season 5 right now.
• 51:59
  She's just— if she's just doing it to fuck with her brothers at this point,
• 52:02
  I wouldn't blame her. I mean, listen, Jeanie's made a ton of mistakes lately,
• 52:05
  and I don't think she's a fucking savior by any means, but it— like,
• 52:08
  fuck those brothers. Oh, completely. This is such a hostile takeover.
• 52:11
  Like, this was Legitimately a hostile takeover. Um, but it's
• 52:15
  just amazing that the Laker sale has opened the biggest
• 52:19
  fucking Pandora's box to all of the bullshit. He was under
• 52:23
  investigation and no one was talking shit about it. He was already under investigation,
• 52:25
  but nobody was worried about it. But the moment he sold that
• 52:29
  team to the fucking president's son-in-law's brother,
• 52:33
  fucking everything got opened. Everybody's eyes.
• 52:36
  And now we're into— in a borderline shitstorm for the Los Angeles
• 52:41
  Dodgers. And, and the— and if you are a fan of maintaining a,
• 52:45
  uh, the, the free market of baseball the way as it's constituted
• 52:49
  without a salary cap, you kind of have to root against the Dodgers
• 52:52
  here. You kind of have to root for this fucking ownership to fall apart because
• 52:57
  they were massive. The MLB and the owners were masterfully
• 53:02
  using them as the great boogeyman to try to to
• 53:06
  force in their salary cap. And without that leverage,
• 53:10
  both with fans and with the players,
• 53:13
  that's a big fucking blow to their argument. And if
• 53:17
  Mark Walter sells, if he's forced to sell the Dodgers,
• 53:21
  I promise people keep telling me, oh, Shohei won't leave. Shohei won't leave.
• 53:24
  Why would Shohei have built in a part of his fucking
• 53:28
  contract that if the team sells, he has an out? If he didn't plan on
• 53:32
  leaving, if Shohei's played for one of the worst owners in professional
• 53:36
  sports already, he's not doing it again. No, he's not. There are plenty of MLB
• 53:40
  teams still available with some decent ownership. I promise you, he's fucking gone.
• 53:44
  Toronto is owned by the Rogers Corporation. Yeah, the Rogers Corporation will
• 53:49
  make Shohei Ohtani a co-owner of the Rogers Corporation.
• 53:52
  I promise you, get his ass over to Toronto. He will be gone.
• 53:56
  My fucking heartbeat. So I mean, you know, I hate that for my— for
• 54:00
  my Dodgers fans. I hate that for everybody, like, because I actually really like
• 54:04
  local Los Angeles Dodgers fans, um, mostly the Mexican
• 54:09
  ones. Oh, they're the best. They're the fucking best. Yeah, like, I don't like white
• 54:11
  guys in general, so like, you know, whatever. We are not— I got a few
• 54:15
  of them. I got a few of them I like. You got me. Um,
• 54:18
  that's about it. But like, yeah, that mostly, you know,
• 54:21
  I really do enjoy a Dodgers game. I think it's a fun crowd,
• 54:25
  and I think that they're the best fans in Los Angeles. I think Dodgers fans
• 54:29
  are the most, like, real fan base
• 54:33
  in Los Angeles of all the pro team sports.
• 54:36
  And this might have to go real poorly
• 54:40
  for the Dodgers in order for it to work out for baseball. It might.
• 54:41
  And that's, that's an unfortunate thing because I do think Dodgers going deep in baseball
• 54:45
  is better for baseball and better for fans because it is the best product on
• 54:48
  the field, unquestionably. But man,
• 54:50
  it's This is, this is going to be an interesting couple of months, especially,
• 54:54
  and it's going to be an eye-opening couple of months, especially as we get closer
• 54:57
  to this deadline. When it comes down to the December 1st deadline
• 55:00
  of the CBA, I'm telling you, there is
• 55:04
  going to be a lot of things around the Walter investigation that's going to be
• 55:08
  fascinating. And I'm interested to see how the PA is going to play this.
• 55:11
  If there's one thing I know about Mr. Weiner, that, that motherfucker don't
• 55:16
  play. Okay. He is a bulldog attorney. If we see
• 55:19
  it as a potential opening for negotiation, then he certainly does. Well, here's the thing.
• 55:23
  If there's one thing that I've taken away from what Rob Manfred said about how
• 55:25
  we are negotiating, that it tells me that their big bad wolf,
• 55:29
  the Dodgers, and all of the shit that's going on, they see the blood in
• 55:32
  the water for themselves. Like, shit, our big bad wolf just outed
• 55:37
  themselves as a bit in sheep's clothing. We got a big problem
• 55:41
  because now the, the fucking bazooka we just handed the Players Association
• 55:45
  might be the thing that kills us. Yeah. I mean, like, let our owners,
• 55:48
  like the Dodgers owner, do more fraud and pay you less.
• 55:52
  Is probably not going to be a great selling point in negotiations. Uh,
• 55:55
  Maria KR is completely right over here. Uh, I love Maria.
• 55:59
  This was the— basically Mark Walter just Streisand-affected
• 56:03
  this entire situation by selling the fucking Lakers.
• 56:07
  You know what, that is a fucking good point.
• 56:10
  That is fucking a great point. This whole thing is
• 56:14
  a Streisand effect. He fucking made— he made himself a story. He needed the
• 56:18
  money, and I get why he did it. It. But she's right that like,
• 56:21
  that's exactly what ended up happening was like, you actually probably should have just kept
• 56:25
  low-key doing your fraud and owning the Lakers because this was way worse for
• 56:29
  you. And by the way, from what I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong
• 56:32
  so far because I am not great when it comes to these things, but based
• 56:36
  on the legality of the entire situation, based on what's being reported right now,
• 56:40
  the, the paying yourself off with the insurance company that you own
• 56:44
  technically technically isn't illegal,
• 56:47
  but the inflation of certain assets
• 56:51
  is absolutely illegal, and that's where
• 56:55
  the problem currently lies. So this is going to be a very— I
• 56:58
  truly don't know what's gonna fucking happen, but I can guess. And,
• 57:02
  and just so we're clear, when we're talking about billionaires and we start getting into
• 57:05
  technically it's not illegal, I promise you there's a bunch of
• 57:09
  shit in there that's illegal. Oh, this always goes— yeah, the things I'm saying are
• 57:11
  technically not illegal, Also should be illegal. And also,
• 57:15
  like, there's a lot of ways that people are doing it where it's like within
• 57:18
  the scope of what it was meant to do, and it's never billionaires doing it.
• 57:22
  100%. Headline 4 before we move into Media Corner real quick.
• 57:26
  Cody, it's been a hell of a preseason for the 49ers. What a time to
• 57:30
  be a Niners fan. What a time to be a fucking Niners fan. I got
• 57:33
  to talk to my girlfriend. She's a Niner fan. Is she okay? I don't think
• 57:36
  so. I don't think any of them are okay. This is nuts. Um,
• 57:40
  this is— there's not a ton to say about this, but I am not
• 57:43
  going to be a segment of the media that's not talking about this because believe
• 57:47
  me, the mainstream media tried to avoid it today. Oh dude, oh shit,
• 57:50
  did they ever. Oh my God, did they ever. Nobody wants to talk about the
• 57:54
  owner of the 49ers, but we fucking sure as shit are. Jed York,
• 57:58
  the owner of the 49ers, was arrested on suspicion of engaging
• 58:01
  in prostitution near his family's home in Ohio, uh, where he's from,
• 58:04
  by the way. Victimless crimes, Tanya. Before pleading no
• 58:09
  contest to lesser charges on Monday. By the way, I thought,
• 58:13
  just so we're all clear, I thought the story was he got
• 58:18
  a hooker at a trailer park. Right. That's what I thought the story was.
• 58:21
  Right. Tanya, continue. Yes.
• 58:25
  Well, it's, it's pretty confusing because the court records
• 58:29
  show that York was initially arrested Sunday morning in East Palestine, Ohio,
• 58:33
  And on suspicion of engaging in prostitution.
• 58:37
  Yes. And disorderly conduct. So engaging in prostitution means you
• 58:41
  are the prostitute, which I did not know. I didn't
• 58:45
  know. What? Jake York's a hooker? I guess. I think
• 58:49
  he was released on $5,000 bail. Records show the prostitution
• 58:53
  charge was amended to a charge of possessing criminal
• 58:56
  tools as part of York's plea agreement. Listen,
• 58:59
  Cody and I, we'll be, we'll be honest, we had to Google what possessing
• 59:04
  criminal tools— no idea what that meant. Uh, it's what you think it is.
• 59:07
  It's literally possessing some stuff you could do crimes with, which is very vague,
• 59:11
  and it might just be an Ohio thing. Ohio has the stupidest laws. I fucking
• 59:14
  hate it. It could just be like— and apologies for the crudeness— it could just
• 59:18
  be he was just armed with dildos. Yeah, I don't— I don't know, maybe.
• 59:21
  I think duct tape was one of the things that was on the list.
• 59:23
  So holy shit, really? Uh, the record says standard lovemaking
• 59:27
  equipment. Yeah, the records did not provide details about the crime.
• 59:30
  I don't know if the crime actually happened because this was a sting. I'm so
• 59:33
  confused. The California Post reported that York responded to an advertisement
• 59:37
  on a prostitution website and arranged for a
• 59:41
  $140 sexual encounter. So this makes it
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  sound like he paid $140 for a sexual encounter, but he
• 59:49
  still was charged with actual prostitution. So I don't—
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  I, I'm, I'm revealing that I have not taken out— I have not engaged
• 59:56
  in this kind of solicitation personally, so I don't know how this works. But York
• 1:00:00
  was arrested after he arrived at the mobile home park in East Palestine, the Post
• 1:00:03
  reported, and was taken into custody by the Mahoning Valley Human Trafficking Task Force
• 1:00:07
  as part of a sting operation. Uh, just as a side note,
• 1:00:10
  he filed for divorce from his wife of more than 15 years in May due
• 1:00:14
  to irreconcilable differences. Um, the dissolution of the marriage case
• 1:00:18
  was pending as the couple awaits a court date right
• 1:00:22
  now. And they currently have a legal and physical joint custody agreement
• 1:00:26
  with their 2 children, ages 13 and 10. The separation of property has not
• 1:00:30
  yet been determined— property and assets. So,
• 1:00:33
  woof. Um, here's the thing. I'm just confused.
• 1:00:36
  Here's the thing. You and I are on the record for past NFL
• 1:00:40
  stories. We don't actually care what anyone's fucking
• 1:00:44
  doing in their consenting sexual lives. I do not give a shit. That's not
• 1:00:48
  my business. I am not personally offended, uh,
• 1:00:51
  by like, you know, if somebody
• 1:00:54
  wants to engage in sex work, I think that
• 1:00:58
  there's a lot of conversation around that that's really not helpful to men or
• 1:01:02
  women or trans women or trans men who are sex workers. I would agree
• 1:01:06
  with that. That being said, before you guys start saying, are you talking out of
• 1:01:08
  both sides of your mouth about Deshaun Watson? No, we are not. He wasn't soliciting
• 1:01:12
  sex workers. Continue. Also, you can still rape
• 1:01:16
  a sex worker. Yes, you can. I think we need to all be clear that
• 1:01:18
  sex work is not being sexually assaulted. No, it's not.
• 1:01:21
  If you don't know the difference, you're probably— you've probably sexually assaulted someone
• 1:01:25
  and you might want to reflect. So there's
• 1:01:29
  not a ton of judgment on my end if
• 1:01:32
  he was doing sex work. I don't know what I'm
• 1:01:37
  supposed to like. Why is the owner of the 49ers being hired for sex work
• 1:01:40
  for $150 million? $40. Well, obviously the part— like, if he
• 1:01:44
  was the actual sex worker, it would be a kink
• 1:01:48
  thing, right? Like, obviously that's— it's a kink. So like, I feel bad for kink-shaming
• 1:01:51
  anybody, but no. And that's all— it's obviously not for the money. Um,
• 1:01:54
  and again, I don't really mind this, like, but like, all of
• 1:01:58
  it is a little bit alarming. And if he was engaging in it in terms—
• 1:02:02
  or if he was soliciting someone to be a sex worker for him,
• 1:02:07
  I just like, as a, as a man going through
• 1:02:10
  a divorce and everything else with his level of high profile, whatever else,
• 1:02:13
  like, you know, not a huge fan
• 1:02:17
  because you're just setting yourself up for failure. You are. But I'm not the
• 1:02:20
  big— like, the biggest issue I've ever had with Jed York is that, like,
• 1:02:24
  he has no idea what's going on with his team. And now I'm starting— and
• 1:02:28
  now I'm like, wait, maybe I know why. So originally Jed York was overly involved
• 1:02:32
  with the 49ers, and he took a step back when he hired John Lynch.
• 1:02:35
  Yeah. And was like, I'm just basically going to fucking completely step away, let you
• 1:02:39
  deal with the business to the point where he didn't even know that they like
• 1:02:43
  acquired a player. I can't even remember who the player was, but he was like
• 1:02:45
  at the owners meetings and he was like, we got who? Real quick.
• 1:02:48
  Oh yeah. I just want to point out a really funny comment. Please do.
• 1:02:51
  Please do. Meg Guilford says,
• 1:02:55
  oh, Meg Guilford. Yeah, Meg, great stuff here. I want him to
• 1:03:00
  value himself more than $140. I'm saying I actually agree.
• 1:03:03
  I actually The way you're actually describing this to me,
• 1:03:07
  I didn't expect myself to— I didn't expect myself
• 1:03:10
  to walk away from this kind of feeling bad for Jed York. Well, so we
• 1:03:14
  don't have enough details. Like, we don't, because when they say that he possessed something,
• 1:03:17
  I'm like, I mean, I hope that he wasn't, you know, obviously didn't have ill
• 1:03:20
  intentions. And if he did have ill intentions for someone, then obviously this changes
• 1:03:24
  everything. We can only go off of what we know. But if he was just
• 1:03:27
  asking for— if he was just trying to do a little exchange and
• 1:03:31
  he was gonna perform for somebody. I agree, Meg.
• 1:03:35
  You know, at least get— hey, like, get it. You own the Niners. Get a
• 1:03:38
  cool $600, $700. Yeah, like, you're on the Niners. Like, yeah,
• 1:03:42
  you're worth something. Yeah, walk in there. Do you know who I am? I,
• 1:03:45
  yeah, I've been like, you know, you are— you are getting the owner of the
• 1:03:49
  Niners. Maybe, maybe he's just working on his performance and thought,
• 1:03:53
  you know what, I'm not quite worth more money yet. That might make sense,
• 1:03:56
  you know, because you gotta He was like, yeah, he was like, I have to
• 1:03:59
  actually get my skills back up after, uh, the divorce. So maybe that was part
• 1:04:03
  of it. But like, Jed York, really bizarre owner over
• 1:04:07
  the last— like, especially considering how high-profile the 49ers are, he is like
• 1:04:11
  one of the more, uh, low-key, we don't hear from him type owners.
• 1:04:15
  I mean, you know, like, when was the last time you talked about Jed York?
• 1:04:18
  You're like, we don't fucking talk about him because he stepped away from
• 1:04:21
  day-to-day operations for a reason.
• 1:04:25
  So anyway, bizarre story. Very bizarre. Keep an
• 1:04:29
  eye on it, please. Definitely. You know, when you are— I think
• 1:04:33
  that there are certain stories that like I would actually be like, I actually don't
• 1:04:35
  need to cover it with a certain type of person of
• 1:04:39
  a certain level of power in the United States. If you're a billionaire who owns
• 1:04:43
  an NFL team and something like this happens, it is deeply newsworthy whether
• 1:04:48
  or not we like dissect what was going
• 1:04:52
  on without a full knowledge of the situation. We can only do so
• 1:04:56
  much. Obviously you and I are having a little bit of fun with it,
• 1:04:58
  as we have the right to do. But, um,
• 1:05:01
  you know, definitely worth talking about. Definitely worth talking about.
• 1:05:04
  Uh, but like at the end of the day, I just— weirdly,
• 1:05:08
  yeah, I hope everyone's kind of okay. If this
• 1:05:12
  was just him being hired or hiring 2
• 1:05:16
  people for an interaction that was like consensual on
• 1:05:19
  both sides, I generally, as long as
• 1:05:23
  the other person wasn't being trafficked— the human trafficking thing is very tough because the
• 1:05:28
  police love to call everything that sex workers do consensually human trafficking.
• 1:05:32
  So it gets really sketchy. It gets very— but there's ways that I don't care
• 1:05:36
  about this, and there's ways where— and I care about this— there's ways where this
• 1:05:39
  does not bother me. Yes. Um, beyond, you know, what bothers me
• 1:05:43
  more is that he's a billionaire, quite honestly, not that he's doing this. Yeah.
• 1:05:45
  Um, But if it's, you know, like considering what we know
• 1:05:49
  Robert Kraft was up to, um, and what that,
• 1:05:53
  that situation actually was, that was actually very like,
• 1:05:58
  you know, again, there's, there's some questions
• 1:06:02
  around that of like whether or not those women are allowed to do what they
• 1:06:04
  want to do for their money too. I, again, but Robert
• 1:06:08
  Kraft, Robert Kraft was caught on camera doing,
• 1:06:12
  you know, so there's like, there's a ton of this shit within these fucking owners.
• 1:06:15
  Like, obviously these owners are up to shit. So I, I don't know.
• 1:06:19
  I don't know. But at the end of the day, if he was
• 1:06:22
  the one doing it, that's,
• 1:06:26
  that's actually— I got nothing. I'm just actually kind of
• 1:06:30
  like, that's actually— do I respect him?
• 1:06:34
  I don't know. I'm just going to wait to find out. Yeah,
• 1:06:37
  I'm going to wait to find out. Yeah. Let's not get ourselves in trouble.
• 1:06:40
  Yeah. I'm gonna hold off for the time being.
• 1:06:44
  Dude, you look so tan in the monitor. Oh, well, you know what? I don't
• 1:06:47
  know if you heard of this. I was in Hawaii. I know, we're gonna talk
• 1:06:50
  about it during a goddamn hurricane. I just realized how tan you look. I mean,
• 1:06:52
  you're in a little bit of a— of the dark, but still. Um,
• 1:06:55
  speaking of things, uh, calling out reporters and what they are and aren't talking
• 1:06:59
  about, Media Corner. You know we love to talk about this. We are into Media
• 1:07:03
  Corner. Let's fucking go. Uh, so ESPN
• 1:07:09
  and FS1 did not cover the Jed York story today.
• 1:07:12
  Now, no way. Now, based on you and I's conversation just now,
• 1:07:15
  I'm not surprised that they didn't. No way. Pretty interesting. But,
• 1:07:19
  um, something that was called out recently was
• 1:07:24
  it was reported sort of out of context
• 1:07:27
  and, and not, uh, at the will of the family that defensive tackle
• 1:07:32
  Ed Oliver and his family were mourning the tragic death
• 1:07:35
  of his 2-year-old son in a drowning that occurred in a residential swimming
• 1:07:39
  pool in Texas in June. I heard about that. So Jeff Pearlman
• 1:07:44
  called out the reporter's lack of professionalism over,
• 1:07:48
  uh, breaking this news, calling him a total piece of shit. And you
• 1:07:52
  and I have talked a lot about, uh, what ESPN
• 1:07:56
  and these big companies will avoid reporting. We've talked about Adam Schefter not
• 1:08:00
  reporting on Kyle Shanahan, didn't report on Jed York today.
• 1:08:04
  And what they will— I still don't know anything about the Kyle Shanahan thing,
• 1:08:06
  by the way, still to this day. What they will decide not to talk about
• 1:08:09
  or how they'll frame certain stories. Um, but there's another side of the coin,
• 1:08:13
  which for people who've been to journalism school,
• 1:08:16
  like, understand that there's like a pretty specific difficult thing
• 1:08:20
  to navigate, which is like when to decide
• 1:08:24
  to like to hold back information or to not report
• 1:08:27
  something that you know because it's not in the public interest, and it's,
• 1:08:30
  um, private information that a family deserves to share themselves.
• 1:08:34
  But you think the Eric B. Anime thing, uh, deserved to be shared?
• 1:08:38
  You know, I actually don't. Me neither. I actually
• 1:08:42
  don't. Um, but I think that,
• 1:08:46
  you know, it, it's difficult when someone
• 1:08:50
  is that high profile and you're talking about like 2
• 1:08:53
  adults, right? Yeah. But then, but then we go look back at the Kyle Shanahan
• 1:08:57
  thing. Well, we still know nothing. Oh yeah. Well, that's what we knew.
• 1:08:58
  Eric any story. That pisses me off so
• 1:09:03
  much. Yeah, like, it's just— it's— geez, what is the difference between these two?
• 1:09:07
  Yeah. Um, while many of the details of the tragedy were known to local
• 1:09:11
  and NFL media report, uh, members, there was an understanding
• 1:09:14
  rooted in journalistic ethics that it wasn't a story worth breaking before
• 1:09:19
  Oliver and his family had the opportunity to make their own announcement.
• 1:09:23
  That changed Friday night when Tony Farmer, a self-described
• 1:09:27
  sleuth who has been offering obsessive coverage of
• 1:09:31
  NFL-related stories he feels are not being fully reported, decided to break
• 1:09:35
  the story. He also shared video from the evening and seemingly
• 1:09:39
  admonished several Buffalo media members for knowing about the
• 1:09:42
  news but not reporting it. According to ESPN, the Bills had been aware
• 1:09:46
  of the incident since June, and they and Oliver were in alignment
• 1:09:50
  on revealing what happened to his son, who was also named Ed. At this
• 1:09:54
  time. However, once the news was out, the franchise was
• 1:09:57
  forced to issue a statement confirming it and offer its full support to
• 1:10:01
  Oliver. The way the story became public did not sit well with a lot of
• 1:10:04
  people in media and NFL circles, including Josh Allen, Bills quarterback,
• 1:10:08
  who said, it's very sad how it came out. It makes me really
• 1:10:12
  sad and angry at the same time. Yeah, it's really— it's— listen,
• 1:10:15
  as a guy that doesn't have children,
• 1:10:19
  I can only imagine. Like, I, I can only imagine, period.
• 1:10:23
  This entire thing has made me very sick. Yeah. Uh, I, I actually
• 1:10:27
  want to give credit to Jeff Pearlman. Uh, you know, I've known Jeff a little
• 1:10:30
  bit over the years, and I've had nothing but good, good encounters with
• 1:10:34
  Jeff and good conversations with Jeff. I've had him on a lot of my shows.
• 1:10:38
  Um, this— I like— I also like Jeff. I mean,
• 1:10:41
  I, you know, occasionally Jeff goes rogue, whatever, but Jeff will also reel
• 1:10:45
  himself back in. He'll apologize. Like, I think he's one of people who really feels
• 1:10:48
  things, and that's very clear. And this particular story really
• 1:10:52
  just really— I don't know, it kind of hit me a little bit.
• 1:10:55
  Yeah, like it really— I don't know why it bothered me so much, but it
• 1:10:59
  legitimately did. Well, I think that like, you know, we got a lot of
• 1:11:03
  comments when we talked about the Kyle Shanahan thing where people were like, why is
• 1:11:06
  it our business? Why is it our business if he got in a car accident?
• 1:11:09
  Why is it whatever? And the reality is it's our business because he is an
• 1:11:12
  extremely high-profile person in charge of an NFL team
• 1:11:17
  and it is going to affect his health entering the NFL season. And he was
• 1:11:21
  involved directly in an incident that affected somebody else.
• 1:11:24
  Yes. That's why it's our business. Now,
• 1:11:28
  these are very tight, specific journalistic questions you have
• 1:11:32
  to ask yourself. And Jenna Lane from ESPN, who covers
• 1:11:36
  the Bills, wrote a little bit about it. I clipped a segment here from
• 1:11:40
  Twitter where she wrote, that as a journalist, certainly stories arise that ask
• 1:11:45
  more of you. That doesn't mean being less of a journalist, but it does mean
• 1:11:47
  exercising more care, more discernment, more grace, and having
• 1:11:51
  more conversation with those who have handled these situations
• 1:11:54
  before, leaning on local law enforcement and also leaning
• 1:11:57
  on team communication staff members who understand you have a job to do but will
• 1:12:00
  also be straight with you and even push back at times. The threshold for
• 1:12:04
  reporting on a death is quite high for most news outlets, in that confirmation must
• 1:12:08
  come in the form of a statement from police, a coroner, the family,
• 1:12:12
  or the team. She said that in covering Shaq Barrett's family
• 1:12:15
  tragedy in 2023, in which their 2-year-old daughter,
• 1:12:19
  Aria, drowned in the family's pool, we spoke to police
• 1:12:23
  and the team who both issued statements that day. The sheriff's office did
• 1:12:27
  not name Ed Oliver or the family at the time of this— that this tragedy
• 1:12:30
  took place. Ed chose not to post about it on social media. The team chose
• 1:12:34
  not to put anything out either. A lot of people have questions about this,
• 1:12:37
  but do the whys behind that matter today? I don't believe so.
• 1:12:41
  A family is giving— is grieving an unimaginable loss. And I think that
• 1:12:45
  that was really well said by Jenna, and she's done a lot of really great
• 1:12:48
  work. And, uh, before we get into exactly what Jeff said, which was a
• 1:12:52
  little less graceful but no less empathetic and, and, and emotional,
• 1:12:56
  um, when you— this is the,
• 1:12:59
  this is the problem with the consolidation
• 1:13:04
  of media into everybody sort of acting like media is social
• 1:13:08
  media, social media is media, uh, content creators
• 1:13:12
  and self-described NFL insiders and sleuths are actual media.
• 1:13:16
  And it's why I'm so disappointed in real journalists who have real journalism degrees
• 1:13:20
  and communication studies degrees and all these things, uh, like Adam Schefter, who have
• 1:13:24
  decided to turn the job into a mockery along with ESPN and whatever else,
• 1:13:27
  because there actually is a like a, a real,
• 1:13:31
  uh, skill set that's— that is journalism.
• 1:13:35
  You learn how to fucking cover stories. You learn how to
• 1:13:39
  handle sources. You learn how to handle information that you've received and who
• 1:13:43
  to fucking cross-check it with and how to verify your sources.
• 1:13:47
  That is an actual fucking skill set. And when we talk— when,
• 1:13:51
  you know, when people come at me and they, they talk about how I've never
• 1:13:54
  played a sport, or they talk about these That's all well and good, but there
• 1:13:59
  are actual ways you fucking do this with real integrity,
• 1:14:04
  just like any other industry where you hold people to a
• 1:14:08
  standard of integrity. Therapists and psychologists, lawyers,
• 1:14:11
  doctors— like, we have a fucking job to do that isn't
• 1:14:15
  just what you have decided is hot take media cycle.
• 1:14:19
  And the person who broke that who broke that code,
• 1:14:22
  they broke it because they're not a fucking journalist. And so this is
• 1:14:26
  why I get so mad at journalists who don't do the
• 1:14:29
  fucking job. And it's why I get mad when people tell me insiders aren't journalists.
• 1:14:33
  They're supposed to be. And people understand that. And Jeff Pearlman
• 1:14:37
  went on, um, on over the weekend.
• 1:14:41
  He said, uh, the reporter who was
• 1:14:45
  acting like he had breaking news last night and practically taking a victory
• 1:14:48
  lap on Twitter against Bills reporters is a piece of shit.
• 1:14:52
  Apparently he's going around harassing Bills reporters in their DMs. Tony Farmer
• 1:14:56
  is a hack and a piece of shit. Nothing new. That man is a
• 1:15:00
  total piece of shit. And the amount of times he said piece of shit,
• 1:15:02
  quite honestly, is understandable because you didn't break news.
• 1:15:06
  Yeah, you didn't have an inside story or an inside scoop. You had
• 1:15:10
  no fucking character where a bunch of other Bills reporters
• 1:15:15
  and staff members did, and you decided that
• 1:15:18
  you— where you obviously somehow got this information
• 1:15:22
  leaked to you to act like you had some sort of breaking news.
• 1:15:26
  I fucking hate this, Cody. I hate
• 1:15:31
  it with every fiber of my being. His name is Tony Farmer, right? Tony Farmer,
• 1:15:33
  you are fucking Jake Gyllenhaal from Nightcrawler.
• 1:15:36
  Fuck you. Yeah, fuck you. You are useless to mankind.
• 1:15:40
  Fuck you. Jeff Perlman said you're a piece of shit.
• 1:15:44
  I'm saying Fuck you. And the reality
• 1:15:47
  is, not only did he just like tank
• 1:15:52
  any sort of goodwill he could have ever built up with anybody if he
• 1:15:55
  actually wanted to legitimately cover the NFL,
• 1:15:59
  he revealed that he has no like journalistic integrity. What I
• 1:16:03
  do like about this story, and it's the only thing I like about this
• 1:16:07
  story, where a family is grieving a fucking 2-year-old child,
• 1:16:10
  which would break most human beings and would certainly break me.
• 1:16:14
  Is that it has also reminded us that there are journalists
• 1:16:18
  and people in these industries with real fucking integrity trying to protect
• 1:16:22
  people who are going through something difficult. And losing faith
• 1:16:27
  in what journalism can be is, and what people—
• 1:16:31
  what kind of like integrity and
• 1:16:35
  empathy people can have in their hearts in these moments is not
• 1:16:39
  helping us. Being constantly negative and
• 1:16:43
  believing that the industry is going to go to hell no matter what we
• 1:16:47
  do. When we see an example of, of people taking
• 1:16:50
  care, because in 2026, for a story like this
• 1:16:54
  to last months and months without anybody talking about it is a
• 1:16:58
  coordinated effort among a bunch of people in Buffalo
• 1:17:02
  and in the NFL to allow Ed and his family
• 1:17:06
  to grieve. Yeah. So that is— I fuck Tony
• 1:17:10
  Farmer, Tony Griezmann, but I want to shout out Jenna Lane. I want
• 1:17:15
  to— I want to shout out Jeff Pearlman. I want to shout out all of
• 1:17:18
  the Bills local media who knew about this and the Bills staff members who,
• 1:17:22
  by the way, you know, Josh Allen and that, that building are
• 1:17:26
  very like— they're very beloved by Bills fans for a reason.
• 1:17:31
  But like on the flip side of us constantly talking about what's
• 1:17:35
  not reported, is that sometimes there are things that don't need
• 1:17:39
  to be reported and shouldn't be reported. And that is, uh,
• 1:17:43
  where I think we are losing the plot on, on real journalists.
• 1:17:47
  Um, look out. Like, you know, I think a lot
• 1:17:51
  of people forget that I'm an— like, I actually went to college
• 1:17:55
  and graduated as an aspiring journalist
• 1:17:59
  with a degree. I am a person who creates
• 1:18:03
  content on the internet as my medium, but I'm not a content
• 1:18:06
  creator. These fuckers are content
• 1:18:11
  creators. Yeah, I have actual journalism experience,
• 1:18:14
  which is why you're content. We are not the fucking same, right? Not the same
• 1:18:17
  at all. So that, you know, it is— it behooves
• 1:18:21
  you to look at exactly— now that does not give me automatic
• 1:18:24
  credibility because there are plenty of journalists who are betraying that. Yes,
• 1:18:27
  but it is important that you understand what— like,
• 1:18:31
  where the actual integrity lies on both sides of this,
• 1:18:35
  in reporting things that need to be reported and not reporting things
• 1:18:38
  that don't. Couldn't agree more, man. I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
• 1:18:41
  I couldn't agree more. This is— this story legitimately made me
• 1:18:44
  a little sick. Yeah. And that's— I'm glad that everyone's kind
• 1:18:49
  of come together in agreement on this because it's not something that we all do
• 1:18:52
  in the sports media industry for sure. Um, and I just, I truly hope that
• 1:18:56
  the family is okay. I, I, I wish there was— all I care about— I
• 1:19:00
  wish there was something else I could say to grant any solace. Well, it sounds
• 1:19:04
  like Buffalo's taking really good care of him as best as they can.
• 1:19:07
  Phenomenal. And that makes me like happy to
• 1:19:10
  hear that. And that's, that's all that we can hope for now in a situation
• 1:19:14
  like that. Couldn't agree more. Um, before we catch up real quick,
• 1:19:18
  uh, it should be noted in case you guys haven't heard I
• 1:19:23
  think pretty sure they're going to call ESPN just ESP—
• 1:19:29
  ESPat McAfee, maybe. ESPat McAfee.
• 1:19:32
  That sounds good. He's— they're expanding his presence on
• 1:19:38
  NFL coverage. I've been saying all along we haven't seen enough Pat McAfee,
• 1:19:42
  right? Yeah. So they're expanding his— they announced on Wednesday new
• 1:19:45
  roles for both Pat McAfee and Jason— yeah, Jason Kelce, with the former
• 1:19:49
  joining its Monday night Countdown NFL pregame show.
• 1:19:53
  So they're putting Pat McAfee on Monday Night Countdown.
• 1:19:56
  Okay. Um, now remember, they just fired
• 1:20:01
  a bunch of their best NFL— they did, they fired a bunch of guys,
• 1:20:03
  a bunch of really, really good guys. Now, um,
• 1:20:07
  they brought in, uh, Jason McCourty
• 1:20:10
  along with Pat McAfee, okay, uh, who will
• 1:20:13
  continue his role on ESPN's College GameDay and his own daily talk show.
• 1:20:17
  So interesting. The whole thing was always
• 1:20:20
  that like College GameDay and Sunday or Monday
• 1:20:24
  Countdown and Sunday Countdown were 2 distinctly different brands.
• 1:20:28
  They were 2 distinctly different types of experiences and environments.
• 1:20:33
  The, the sort of Mac-ification of all
• 1:20:37
  of this NFL content is like it's its own problem
• 1:20:41
  just in an oversaturation of one media personality. But it's also like
• 1:20:45
  You're now admitting that you don't even care to have each of these
• 1:20:49
  shows have their own distinct style and experience.
• 1:20:54
  I was always obviously a bigger Sunday Countdown,
• 1:20:57
  Monday Night Countdown type person because I was a bigger NFL
• 1:21:01
  person. But, but like the Saturday shows
• 1:21:04
  for college football was its own vibe. You know what's funny? I agree
• 1:21:09
  with this. I actually very much understand Pat McAfee and the college thing because
• 1:21:13
  it— yeah, 100%. Pat McAfee is you know, he's a fucking frat boy.
• 1:21:16
  And so why wouldn't you put him on with the college thing, the frat boy
• 1:21:18
  thing? And I actually think— and they like— and he annoys Nick Saban.
• 1:21:21
  It's funny. Yeah, it reminds me a lot of his dynamic that he had with
• 1:21:24
  Michael Cole. And like, yeah, very similar. And like, I totally think
• 1:21:28
  that works. Yeah, like totally.
• 1:21:32
  The NFL is supposed to be adult content, and he does not break down NFL
• 1:21:36
  legitimately. He's not a real analyst. No, he's good at what
• 1:21:40
  he does. Yeah. And listen, I've always got along with Pat.
• 1:21:43
  I have no issues with Pat. Do I like the fucking— actually, do I like
• 1:21:47
  the Hunger Games he's taking a point at? Do I like all that shit?
• 1:21:49
  Pat? Fuck no. Pat is the same type of grifter that all those dudes are,
• 1:21:52
  which is if you hung out with him, he's actually really nice and not nearly
• 1:21:56
  as like MAGA-coated as he presents himself.
• 1:22:00
  But at the end of the day, you are what you promote. You are,
• 1:22:03
  man. You are what it is. You are. And so here's the thing.
• 1:22:07
  Um, they also are reportedly— now this, I— this is according
• 1:22:10
  to Andrew Marchand, who always like reports on the like inside. Really good
• 1:22:14
  about this. Yeah, so they, they said that they're reportedly planning a McAfee Monday Night
• 1:22:18
  Football alt cast. Um, not for me. The shows would air during
• 1:22:22
  off weeks for the primary Monday Night Football off, uh,
• 1:22:25
  alt cast, The Manning Show, The Manning Cast. Yeah. Um,
• 1:22:29
  but if he's gonna be on Monday Night Countdown, so he's gonna go from Countdown
• 1:22:32
  into an alt cast, like Just feels like a lot. And my theory here is
• 1:22:36
  essentially that what's happening with Pat is the same thing that happened with Stephen A.
• 1:22:40
  Smith, which is the corporate overlords, which are Disney,
• 1:22:43
  have given ESPN a specific budget. They lay
• 1:22:48
  people off to adhere to that specific budget, and then they lean on their highest-paid
• 1:22:52
  talent and ask them to do absolutely fucking everything. That talent
• 1:22:56
  does absolutely everything for a very massive paycheck and a ton
• 1:23:00
  of like of social capital. Uh, Pat McAfee is,
• 1:23:03
  along with Stephen A. Smith, becoming a face of ESPN.
• 1:23:09
  They're paying him a ton of money. Why not fucking make him do whatever you
• 1:23:13
  got to make him do? They had Stephen A. Smith doing absolutely everything. These are
• 1:23:16
  the 2 highest paid personalities at the network. And so they lay
• 1:23:20
  people off in order to make
• 1:23:24
  it worth it to have paid ESPN Pat McAfee and Stephen A.
• 1:23:27
  Smith the amount that they're paying them and then replace them with those people.
• 1:23:30
  This is something that they did for the last couple of years, for the last
• 1:23:34
  decade with Stephen A., and now they're doing it with Pat McAfee. And,
• 1:23:38
  um, Elle Duncan over the last week or
• 1:23:42
  so had talked about like, like, they're— we're reaching a saturation point
• 1:23:46
  with Pat, who does a very specific thing. And like, like, at what point are
• 1:23:49
  you guys just gonna just try to find some— the next Pat? Like Let Pat
• 1:23:53
  do what he's doing, he's good at it, and then find somebody else to do
• 1:23:56
  the things that— like, but, but my, my thing is that they
• 1:24:01
  are— they also have corporate overlords who
• 1:24:04
  are telling them, hey, this is your budget and you've got, you've got
• 1:24:08
  $200, $300 million of it wrapped up in 2 guys,
• 1:24:11
  put them to work. Yeah, and here's the thing, like, I, I know you guys
• 1:24:15
  are expecting me to go all in on both these guys, uh, because normally I
• 1:24:18
  go in on Stephen A. Smith all the fucking time. It's not hard to do.
• 1:24:21
  Fuck Stephen A. Smith. That being said, I don't actually blame Stephen A.
• 1:24:25
  Smith for this. No, it's not. It's not his fault at all. I mean,
• 1:24:28
  if you, if you get offered a job and they ask you to do them,
• 1:24:30
  they're paying that money. Yeah, I'll do that show and I'll do that. I refuse
• 1:24:34
  to believe that Stephen A. Smith doesn't want to sleep. Like, I'm— as,
• 1:24:37
  as much as I don't like Stephen A., I don't like him. I fucking don't
• 1:24:41
  like him. I'm on the record. Yeah, I, I refuse to believe
• 1:24:45
  that he doesn't want to sleep ever. Like, I'm sorry, there is
• 1:24:48
  a part of this that feels— I mean, there was like a funny video back
• 1:24:52
  in the day of, of like a joke of someone like waking a dude up
• 1:24:56
  in like a dark cement basement because there was like breaking news
• 1:24:59
  and they were keeping Stephen A. Smith like literally in a locked
• 1:25:03
  room to like roll out on camera. And like, but that
• 1:25:06
  is kind of the vibe. I don't, I don't love that. And I don't think—
• 1:25:10
  I think Stephen A. has made plenty of money. He doesn't have to be doing
• 1:25:12
  this. But they are getting into that territory with Pat McAfee too.
• 1:25:16
  Yeah. And unfortunately for ESPN,
• 1:25:21
  or fortunately I guess depending on their goals, um,
• 1:25:24
  Steve— it took Stephen A. a little bit more time, a couple
• 1:25:28
  decades, to really hone not understanding journalism.
• 1:25:31
  He really like made a craft out of deciding to not understand journalism.
• 1:25:35
  He was once a journalist. People, people have
• 1:25:39
  mixed reviews on how he was a journalist, but he was one,
• 1:25:43
  like an actual one. He was technically at one point a journalist.
• 1:25:46
  Right now, uh, that's for other people to debate, but he
• 1:25:51
  had, uh, you know, unlearned that and become the hot take guy. Yes, Pat McAfee
• 1:25:54
  is just a hot take guy, and there is a fucking ceiling to what he's
• 1:25:58
  capable of in making interesting content. Now, I think Peyton Manning
• 1:26:02
  is one of the most, like, charming, funny former,
• 1:26:06
  uh, superstars that does TV. I can't watch the fucking Manning
• 1:26:10
  cast. I don't want to. Like, it's not for me. I don't— it's not for
• 1:26:14
  me, right? So I'm not gonna watch the Pat McAfee cast. I'm not either.
• 1:26:17
  But I, you know, we are definitely getting to a place
• 1:26:22
  where, uh, where, you know,
• 1:26:25
  they're gonna ruin what was even likable about
• 1:26:29
  Pat McAfee in the roles that he was in for the people that liked him.
• 1:26:34
  So Stephen A. Smith didn't used to be this hated. He didn't used to be
• 1:26:37
  unanimously fucking hated. That was not the case.
• 1:26:42
  There was a reason First Take fucking changed sports television.
• 1:26:47
  Pat McAfee is in for a rude awakening. And if he doesn't like,
• 1:26:50
  you know, he will be rich for sure, but he'll be tired
• 1:26:54
  and fucking bitter and angry just like Stephen A. Smith is.
• 1:26:58
  And they'll both be chained in the ESPN basement together,
• 1:27:02
  metaphorically. Congrats, by the way, on the mansion and the yachts and the fucking,
• 1:27:06
  uh, jets you can afford. You'll never be on them.
• 1:27:09
  You'll never be on them. So what's the fucking point? Listen, I— ESPN
• 1:27:14
  just isn't for me anymore, like, even as a remote viewer. And I've
• 1:27:18
  made that abundantly clear. It's— and I don't even blame them. So I wasn't— I
• 1:27:21
  was like a little bit like— I was a little bit behind you
• 1:27:24
  on that. Yeah, like a long time, because You were telling me I was crazy
• 1:27:28
  at some points. Well, there was— well, there was some time where I was like,
• 1:27:32
  there is, uh, content worth still watching on that.
• 1:27:35
  Like, they have done— they have gutted it to such a degree since we even
• 1:27:39
  started this show that I'm with you. There's nothing on it.
• 1:27:43
  I will say I've been watching Sports Jeopardy on Hulu. How is that? I haven't
• 1:27:46
  watched it. It's fun. It's really, really— well, yeah, like, you know, I know a
• 1:27:49
  bunch of those people. I know a lot of those guys. Yeah. And like Like,
• 1:27:53
  you know, I just watched an episode last night where one of our friends like
• 1:27:56
  was— she like made the semifinals. Hey, let's go! Spoiler alert, by the way,
• 1:28:00
  because there's only one woman who made the next round. Is it Mina Kimes?
• 1:28:02
  No. Well, she wasn't on it. Oh, she wasn't? I would have thought she would
• 1:28:06
  have definitely— Mina's like too good. Like her and Katie— yeah, she would actually do
• 1:28:08
  too good. So her and Katie Nolan have been on like Celebrity Jeopardy, like the
• 1:28:12
  one where it's actually genuinely competitive, and they're both really good
• 1:28:16
  at that. They would like— they would crush these. You know, I'm actually not good
• 1:28:19
  at Jeopardy. Jeopardy. It's not because I don't know the answers. I can't handle the
• 1:28:21
  speed. I need a second. Like, I can't. I do too. I can't. It's the—
• 1:28:24
  yeah, I like— I can't immediately be like, and what is— I, I buzzed.
• 1:28:28
  Although I will say, 5 seconds, I'm like this. I will say, you might— you'll
• 1:28:31
  have to, you have to watch a couple episodes and let me know because,
• 1:28:32
  um, they're not good at it either. Like, a lot
• 1:28:36
  of the players on— there's a couple that are great, but like a lot of
• 1:28:39
  the players who play are just like, you know, people who work at ESPN,
• 1:28:41
  anchors, whatever else, and they obviously know their shit, but they're not good at Jeopardy
• 1:28:45
  either. So like it makes you feel a little bit better where you're like,
• 1:28:48
  oh, this isn't full of like— because we both know a ton about sports.
• 1:28:52
  Like it's not about knowing the facts. It's about being— they do the same thing.
• 1:28:56
  They panic. They don't know what's up. They're fucking freaking out. So yeah, I freak
• 1:28:58
  out when I play Jeopardy at home because I can't be fast enough. I'm just
• 1:29:01
  not fast enough. Yeah, my mind works very fast. But to dig up that thing
• 1:29:05
  on like a question thing, I just can't do it. I need a second.
• 1:29:08
  Well, you know now that Chris and I are going to make you do it
• 1:29:10
  with us. Me. We DVR Jeopardy. We've got like— gonna embarrass
• 1:29:14
  me. We got like 60 episodes because I've always played Jeopardy, along with Jeopardy.
• 1:29:17
  I'm usually pretty good, but it's always like I always want to pause it before
• 1:29:20
  they say the answers. I'll pause it for you so I can like take 10
• 1:29:23
  seconds. If you think you know it, if you think you know it, I'll pause
• 1:29:25
  it for you. I'll give you 10 seconds. And there's always also the wording of
• 1:29:28
  the question always takes me an extra second because that's not how you fucking ask
• 1:29:32
  questions. Did you not do good on your SATs? Uh, no, I actually— believe it
• 1:29:35
  or not, no, I did not. I was— I think my SATs, I got like
• 1:29:37
  an 1100. Yeah, nothing. All that was going to say, that's, that's because that's what
• 1:29:41
  you were saying when like the wording and the stuff that throws you off,
• 1:29:43
  like that's the shit that makes people do poorly on their SATs. And that's— but
• 1:29:46
  then they're smart people, but they're just not testing. You're not a test taker.
• 1:29:49
  We're nothing to write home about. You're not a test taker. That being said,
• 1:29:53
  like, yeah, I mean, ESPN, I've said for a
• 1:29:57
  long time, is beyond lost their way. Yeah, I understand why they
• 1:30:01
  have, because we're talking billions and billions and billions of dollars from
• 1:30:05
  corporate daddy that is Disney. And, um, you know what,
• 1:30:08
  at this point I'm not even mad about it anymore. I'm, um,
• 1:30:12
  disappointed. Okay, just fucking disappointed
• 1:30:16
  that this is the quote-unquote mothership and it's, it's, it is— well,
• 1:30:19
  we are the mothership now. I know, it's simply become reality television. The regulars
• 1:30:24
  are the mothership. We are, we're the fucking mothership. We're the only ones going to
• 1:30:26
  tell you the fucking truth. Really? How about that? Amazing how this is where we
• 1:30:29
  got Mocha. We did it, baby. We fucking did it. Wait, Cody,
• 1:30:32
  before we go, I want you to tell the people 3—
• 1:30:36
  your 3 favorite things about your, uh, vacation to Hawaii.
• 1:30:40
  3, 3 things that you really liked about your opportunity to vacation in
• 1:30:44
  Hawaii. And I imagine all of them came after your
• 1:30:48
  trip started, uh, weathering a hurricane. So I
• 1:30:52
  flew to Hawaii during a hurricane. Um, well, you got there and then
• 1:30:55
  there was a hurricane. That is true. I did get there first and then the
• 1:30:58
  hurricane Yeah, uh, fuck, man. Yeah,
• 1:31:02
  I lost 3 days of that trip.
• 1:31:05
  So what good things happened? It wasn't expensive. Yeah, and it wasn't
• 1:31:09
  booked a long time ago, and, and borderline a gift. Uh, but believe it or
• 1:31:13
  not, this is also a gift from my mom, by the way. She gave it—
• 1:31:15
  she, she gifted this to me like 2 years ago, and I've been waiting to
• 1:31:19
  like cash in on this gift from Christmas like 2 and a half, 3 years
• 1:31:22
  ago, and I finally had the chance to to cash in on
• 1:31:26
  this gift that was given to me. And, um, you deserve that.
• 1:31:29
  You know, 4 months ago when it was all booked, uh,
• 1:31:33
  how do I put it, that hurricane just fucking wasn't in the forecast. No,
• 1:31:36
  they usually aren't. That's the thing about hurricanes. Turns out it really wasn't much in
• 1:31:40
  the forecast like even the week before when I left. So hurricanes in general,
• 1:31:43
  like, it's not like you booked, um, it's not like you booked Miami in October.
• 1:31:46
  No, no, I booked Hawaii in August. Right, like, I mean, there's like, there are
• 1:31:49
  certain places that if there's a hurricane there, like, you're, you're not super
• 1:31:54
  shocked. I got married in Miami and the whole thing was like
• 1:31:57
  more expensive and you get a cheaper deal if you're in hurricane season
• 1:32:01
  for a reason, right? So like Miami,
• 1:32:05
  not as well as much known for the hurricanes. They do happen, of course.
• 1:32:08
  But yeah, I spent a couple of days on a porch because—
• 1:32:12
  yeah, I saw you on there. You did a great little cameo in the rain.
• 1:32:15
  I did. I put out my thirst traps as Per
• 1:32:19
  request. You put out several thirst traps. I put out multiple shirtless
• 1:32:23
  photos, like, per request. Good shirtless. I felt good about it. Yeah,
• 1:32:27
  no, you looked good about them. You looked good. Thank you. They were genuinely— I
• 1:32:30
  felt trapped. I was like, damn, I did it. Yeah, I did something good.
• 1:32:34
  Yeah. So I have more. I haven't posted them because I don't— I'm,
• 1:32:38
  I'm not gonna lie to you, just honestly, yeah, very self-conscious about it. Well,
• 1:32:41
  I mean, and like, there's a time and a place for thirst trap. Like,
• 1:32:44
  that's why I was so excited because I was like You know, you know,
• 1:32:47
  these— your vacation is a time. Vacation in Hawaii is a time to be shirtless.
• 1:32:51
  Yeah, it makes sense. The people want to know. The people want to know.
• 1:32:53
  Right. And I was a lot. It was. Yeah. But here's like,
• 1:32:56
  here's the good things that happened. One, I had a— I did have a wonderful
• 1:32:59
  time. I,
• 1:33:03
  I still, you know, salvaged— had some great meals, cooked great meals.
• 1:33:07
  The house we stayed at was lovely. Only lost power for one day. Yeah.
• 1:33:12
  When things cleared up, went over to Turtle Bay, hung out at the pool there,
• 1:33:15
  and really enjoyed it. I saw that. I love— beautiful, gorgeous resort. Beautiful,
• 1:33:18
  great resort. I've been there dozens and dozens of times, it seems like,
• 1:33:21
  at this point. Uh, it was, it was a good time. My favorite moment on—
• 1:33:26
  there were 2, believe it or not. Okay. I've never been the biggest Waikiki fan.
• 1:33:29
  Like, Waikiki is a little bit more Disneyland of Hawaii. Sure.
• 1:33:32
  You've got to appreciate at least 1 or 2 days in Waikiki or Samui.
• 1:33:35
  Yeah, yeah. I like a super touristy spot if it's if it's done right.
• 1:33:38
  So my girlfriend and I got— and this was her idea, we were kind of
• 1:33:42
  just decided, we were in Waikiki and she just said like, uh, there's this catamaran
• 1:33:46
  tour at sunset, let's go. I said, fucking done. We went
• 1:33:49
  and it was truly lovely.
• 1:33:53
  Like, it was just a sunset, beautiful view. Sunset on the water,
• 1:33:56
  never fucking— it never— it's never not great. And what's funny about that is I,
• 1:34:00
  I put my phone away for the entire thing. I just kind of wanted to
• 1:34:03
  be in it, and that— it's like meditative, and it was just
• 1:34:07
  the most relaxing thing I did. Uh, the other thing I really enjoyed, which is
• 1:34:10
  so funny, I haven't paddleboarded in like— I saw you guys were paddling.
• 1:34:15
  Yeah, it's hard, um, by the way, and I forgot how much I like
• 1:34:18
  it. Yeah. Um, especially if you have the common enough thing. Yeah. And I didn't
• 1:34:22
  realize I'm better. I haven't done it in like 12 years. I'm actually better at
• 1:34:25
  paddleboarding than I've ever been. Great. I used to be terrible at it. Great.
• 1:34:28
  So core strength. On point. Like, like your balance on
• 1:34:32
  point. Yeah. So paddleboarding in Haleiwa, in the river of Haleiwa, was just beautiful.
• 1:34:36
  And it's the North Shore of Oahu, man. It's my
• 1:34:40
  favorite place on planet Earth. If I could retire to anywhere on planet Earth,
• 1:34:43
  it'd be there. Granted, it was the most humid that town has
• 1:34:46
  probably ever been because of the hurricane. Well, you know, you can't
• 1:34:50
  win them all. But as for the most part, I have to say it was
• 1:34:53
  for the most part a lovely time and Um, it just sucks I didn't get
• 1:34:57
  more— I didn't get to relax as much as I would have liked because
• 1:35:01
  of the hurricane, of it all, and because of other things that were taking place.
• 1:35:04
  But for the most part, um, it was nice to just kind of get away
• 1:35:08
  out of LA for a couple of days. Uh, back to the grind, back to
• 1:35:11
  work. It's football season, it's time to work, work. Yeah, we're about to work our
• 1:35:14
  asses off and we're about to be doing more than we ever have. And I've
• 1:35:17
  signed myself up now for, uh, way more work because I started a
• 1:35:21
  Substack. You did? So I started my own multimedia channel where I'm going to be
• 1:35:24
  doing more shit. Goddamn, anybody who's interested, uh, at TinyRayFox1
• 1:35:29
  on Substack, you'll see it. I have posted, um,
• 1:35:32
  my very first Substack, which is entitled I Probably Will
• 1:35:36
  Never Debate Stephen A. Smith. Um, and so I'm busy with
• 1:35:40
  that. And also, while you were— while you were gone, I,
• 1:35:44
  uh, went to the movies and saw Tony. How— what did you think? I haven't
• 1:35:47
  had a chance yet. I loved it. Yeah, I fucking loved it. I thought it
• 1:35:51
  was a really, really good film. It's small. It's, it's— so first of all,
• 1:35:54
  it was all filmed in Massachusetts and on Cape Cod. Like, it was like filmed
• 1:35:58
  where I live, like where I grew up, right? So this is very— so it's
• 1:36:00
  very nostalgic. But also, it's a beautiful small film that takes place during
• 1:36:03
  a, like, one summer right before he goes to culinary
• 1:36:07
  school. So it's a small— it's not a biopic in the
• 1:36:11
  traditional sense. And the acting is brilliant.
• 1:36:13
  Antonio Banderas is so hot it actually fucking hurts.
• 1:36:17
  Like, it actually is like— he's actually— no, it's actually fucking insane. Like, I always
• 1:36:21
  thought he was like super hot. Question: Real question, him or Javier
• 1:36:24
  Bardem? Oh, Antonio Banderas. Really? I just watched him, dude.
• 1:36:28
  When I tell you, like, you're gonna feel it. Those fucking, like,
• 1:36:31
  car— like, knit sweaters he was in cooking. I, I'm a sucker for
• 1:36:35
  a knit sweater. I'm a sucker. Like, I'm not, I'm not exaggerating,
• 1:36:39
  and I don't— like, he is insane. Uh, and Leo Woodall
• 1:36:42
  was, like, the standout performance of the movie for me. He was, like, really amazing.
• 1:36:46
  I totally recommend you go see it. I think you'd really like it. It's an
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  hour and 45-minute movie. Gorgeous. I didn't get up to pee. That never
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  fucking— let's go! So there you go. No, I will, I will definitely see
• 1:36:57
  Tony. I've heard nothing but phenomenal reviews. Can I also suggest something else? Something we've
• 1:37:00
  talked about a lot— The Green Lantern. Holy shit, watch Lanterns.
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  Holy shit, watch Lanterns. I'm telling you,
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  I, I don't— I want to apologize to Kyle
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  Chandler. You're a phenomenal actor. You always have been. He's always been a really good
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  actor. I just— I didn't realize you were this fucking— the women knew.
• 1:37:19
  The women knew. They were like, me, he's great. Feel it in our loins
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  from OG Kyle Chandler. He is so fucking good in this. He's so good.
• 1:37:26
  And, and so is, by the way, uh, Aaron Pierre. Yeah, they're both
• 1:37:30
  so excited for Aaron Pierre to get to do this. Me too. But like,
• 1:37:33
  but man, I gotta say, every time Hal, uh, he's on screen as
• 1:37:37
  Hal Jordan— all right, I'm gonna— so this is our deal. I'm gonna catch up
• 1:37:40
  on Lanterns and I'll go check out— and you're gonna go Tony, and then we'll,
• 1:37:43
  we'll, we'll, uh, run it back. And, uh, listen, this has been
• 1:37:47
  a phenomenal show. Sorry, Mocha, we kept you here like 15 minutes longer than usual.
• 1:37:51
  Here way too long. Uh, but I, I'm thrilled with, uh, getting back over
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  here. We needed a catch-up corner. I'm thrilled we're back over here. I want to
• 1:37:58
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• 1:38:10
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• 1:38:15
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• 1:38:33
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• 1:38:38
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• 1:38:39
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• 1:38:42
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• 1:38:49
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• 1:38:52
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• 1:38:55
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• 1:38:59
  man, I'm really glad that there's people doing this, and you want to contribute and
• 1:39:03
  you have the kind of money to do it— now that's, that's the big thing—
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  if you have the money to do it, we would love you to
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  invest in us, and, and we will always make it worth it.
• 1:39:13
  Yeah, because we are— listen, I'm very proud of this, and I'm proud
• 1:39:17
  of working with Tanya on a daily basis every single day and everything that we've
• 1:39:20
  accomplished so far. And we've only been doing this for 5 months, and this has
• 1:39:23
  been entirely grassroots, on our own, by ourselves,
• 1:39:26
  slowly and building and finding what works, finding what doesn't work, and really
• 1:39:31
  learning a lot through it. And I gotta say, I am, uh, I love doing
• 1:39:34
  this with you, and I cannot believe how much the growth has
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  been, especially in these last 2 months. And I'm really excited where
• 1:39:42
  we're going, and we really want all of you to be a part of it.
• 1:39:45
  I mean, there's one person we don't want to be a part of it— Kurt
• 1:39:47
  Schilling. Seriously, we don't want you to be a part of this at all.
• 1:39:50
  Yeah, yeah, we're so— forever and always,
• 1:39:53
  everybody else We love you. Love you. Kurt Schilling,
• 1:39:57
  fuck you, Kurt. Oh, fuck you.