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Is the Next PLANDEMIC Starting in China? — Todd Callender Interview · Man in America Podcast

• 0:03
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Willhaus. If there's one thing we've learned over the past couple of years, it's that bad things come out of China. Look at what happened with COVID, but not just COVID, but the psychological operation that that was a fundamental aspect of changing our elections, of locking our country down, destroying small businesses, of, you know, implementing this this this new push for this poisonous vaccine they've been giving everybody mandating. And although our government definitely had its own hand in that, especially coming out of, you know, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, so much of it you could trace straight back to the Chinese Communist Party.
• 0:41
  So if you've been following the news about China right now, there's actually a very worrying situation happening over there with a viral pneumonia that's spreading very rapidly in China. But when you see the headlines like that, if you're like me, you're probably thinking, is this a psychological operation? Is it just coincidence that we're at the exact same time of the year as we were in 2019 when COVID started emerging just so happened to be right before the election? Is this a precursor to some sort of new global pandemic with lockdowns and everything and new election laws? Or is it real?
• 1:15
  Is it something that's actually harming the Chinese people? I mean, there's been reports which will be going over in today's show coming out of China that they're even though, you know, a lot of us know that COVID wasn't what they made it out to be, and it was really the the flu rebranded via PCR tests, something significant happened in China. We did see a lot of deaths in China. So I think there's a special situation there that may not be the same thing that we're experiencing here in America. And so joining us today to make sense, this is my good friend, attorney Todd Callender to talk about what we're seeing coming out of China, what it could mean for America, but also to dive into what's the bigger picture of where we're at.
• 1:53
  And there's actually, oddly enough, some really, really positive things that are happening right now that bring me a lot of hope and encouragement. So folks, please enjoy this interview with my good friend, Todd Callender. Todd, it is always great having you on the show. Thank you so much for being here with us today.
• 2:14
  Todd Callender: Happy to be here and I like the winter look. Seth, this is a good look for you. It looks authentic. We've got to go out chop some wood that makes me kind of jealous.
• 2:24
  Seth Holehouse: It's actually where I'm at right now. It was snowing a little bit today. And I had some nice kind of nostalgic feelings of winter and wood chopping and everything. So yeah, it's appropriate. This is this is my this is my comfort, you know, outfit is a nice snuggly flannel shirt, which down in the you know, The Caribbean, I don't imagine you're wearing a lot of long sleeve flannel shirts.
• 2:51
  Todd Callender: I couldn't tell you the last time I saw a flannel. Well,
• 2:59
  Seth Holehouse: so there's as usual, there's a lot to go over. But I especially want to discuss China with you today. Because so I'll pull up an article here to set the, you know, set the, you know, kind of discussion up. So there's a some sort of viral pneumonia that's spreading in China. And Epoch Times has covered it a lot.
• 3:23
  They've done a lot of reporting in the past couple of days on this. This is a Newsweek article, not that I trust Newsweek worth anything. But in kind of setting the stage for discussion, how they're saying, you know, countries prepare for China's Pneumonia Outbreak to spread. Now, in Mainland China, in looking at some of the coverage from the Epoch Times, which I I greatly trust a lot of their coverage, especially of China, you know, because they're they're, you know, while we're used to seeing them English language, were initially a Chinese language that was the the global network they built was built on the back of the Chinese language.
• 4:02
  Todd Callender: You know, people, right? These are actually people you know, that built this.
• 4:07
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I know, you know, the founder, know a lot of the core people there and I don't just know them, I spent over a decade or so working side by side with them. So it's different than having this perception of like, oh, I think this media is actually okay. I mean, I personally know that they're not controlled by Vanguard and BlackRock and by corporate interests and that they are, you know, really, really committed to the truth and especially committed to fighting back and exposing the threat of global communism, which they've seen as a threat for decades now.
• 4:46
  Todd Callender: For sure.
• 4:47
  Seth Holehouse: So I really I give their reporting a lot of weight. But when it comes to China, then this is this is where I want to really dive into this discussion with you because so we have these reports coming out now of this viral pneumonia, which, you know, the reports of hospitals overflowing, it seems to be targeting children, for whatever reason, a lot of the videos and information and even Epoch Times has they've got, you know, phone calls of people over there talking about what's happening with their kids and the schools and the hospitals. But where I've and this is why I can't wait to kind of get you to wait on this because with the first pandemic that we went through in 2020, we we now know that a lot of what came out of China was part of this global psychological operation to to help steal the election in America to lock down countries around the world to, you know, kind of accelerate this massive wealth transfer. And a lot of that came from really, you know, the propaganda desk of Xi Jinping, you know, we now know that a lot of the earlier stories of people that were falling over and dying in streets were real or sorry, were fake, you know, those were intended to be viral.
• 6:03
  So people would fear this thing. But what's also interesting with this is that, again, going back to the Epoch Times, there's also been a lot of coverage about massive amounts of deaths happening in China. And so with it, I'll bring up an article here. So in one thing just for the, you know, the audience that's, you know, watching. So actually, I'll just I'll go to the homepage of this really quickly.
• 6:32
  So Epoch Times. So theepochtimes.com is the English edition. Epochtimes.com is the Chinese edition. So Okay. But so most people wouldn't under wouldn't know that.
• 6:45
  But actually, this is a a massive, massive website with an insane amount of information that never even makes it into English publication around the period. So there's so I'm on certain, you know, say email groups or chat groups where I'll get sent certain articles that I need to translate to read that are really important. And so one thing though that you know, I'll be trying to bring up this article. And this is I use translate on this is that there were a lot of there's a lot of information that had come out of China, that in talking about during the first pandemic, that when the numbers were upwards of four hundred million people that died from whatever it was that was spreading in China. Now, this is one of the articles discussing it.
• 7:36
  I'm not going to go into detail. But this is an article that doesn't actually you can't find it on the English version of the site.
• 7:42
  Todd Callender: It's very hard
• 7:43
  Seth Holehouse: to find it.
• 7:44
  Todd Callender: Do you believe it? Is that number credible to you?
• 7:48
  Seth Holehouse: I think it has a lot of weight to it. I can't say I, you know, I know there. I know the the the strictness of the editorial policies. And I in so and there's if you if you're looking within their website, at this number of 400,000,000, there's a lot of information surrounding it. And so it leads me to believe that the people that approve that this kind of publication, you know, looked at the sources and everything.
• 8:14
  Now a lot of times, they might have sources coming from very high levels within the CCP. So they can't necessarily come out and say, you know, you know, this particular person told us x, but through a lot of the research they've done. So there's a lot of information they've put out, that seems to suggest that upwards of four hundred million people died in China. Now, what makes this difficult is the CCP will cover that up, know, in every single way because it makes them look weak. It makes them look like something that came out of their own lab, potentially, you know, even though we know it came, you know, from Chapel Hill and through Ralph Barack and everything, but fundamentally, it's something they had their hands involved with, that something happened, something got out or something was spreading that wiped out a large portion of their population.
• 9:08
  Now whether it's 400,000,000, or 10,000,000, or whatever it is, we know that they're hiding and fudging those numbers. And so I know that I'm kind of talking a lot, really, it's to set the stage for this conversation because
• 9:19
  Todd Callender: Yeah.
• 9:20
  Seth Holehouse: I want to understand how you look at this because you're you're extremely smart and very well researched. And so
• 9:27
  Todd Callender: Thank you.
• 9:29
  Seth Holehouse: When you see this discussion, this new viral pneumonia, and you see like the article I pulled up here from Newsweek about countries preparing for China's Pneumonia Outbreak to spread. There's also information information came out recently about the WHO is now pressing China for more details on this, which again, it raises all kinds of red flags of like psychological operation, you know, plandemic, etc. But coupling that information with the fact that that what I believe to be fact, that there were massive amounts of deaths in Mainland China that they've been covering up. How do you make how do you make sense of this?
• 10:08
  Todd Callender: Well, first and foremost, it strikes me that four hundred million is one out of three Chinese. So I don't think you can hide that. When you look at productivity that comes out of China by itself, if you were missing one third of the entire population, the productivity would have dropped down to absolutely nothing. You have to think about cycle times, how fast you have to replace them, and not all of those would have been working, but people would be missing work if it was their kid or their spouse or whatever. I don't think that number is possible, first and foremost.
• 10:47
  We would have known and you would have seen it in more than just one place because there's no way you can contain that kind of morbidity, I'm sorry, mortality. It's not morbidity, it's mortality in such a way. But let us assume that it was. Then one has to ask the question, if there was such a high mortality, why are they telling us about the RSV, with its respiratory syncytial symptoms or virus, what they're calling RSV. You see kind of earlier in your conversation, what you're saying is, you believe that?
• 11:26
  Is it credible? Is there such a thing coming out of China? And I think the two are mutually exclusive. They can't both exist in the same space. One of the two of those is wrong, or maybe both of them are wrong.
• 11:40
  The bottom line is I don't believe anything. It's like you, I don't believe anything coming out of China because there's always some other government purpose for them to lie. And they're never going to be giving a straight answer. In fact, none of the governments are giving us a straight answer. So sure, I'm sure a lot of people died.
• 11:58
  I don't know if it was one third. And is there another pneumonia coming out of China? I think the answer to that question is, does it matter? Because you have the UK government, the CDC, the FDA, the Chinese authorities, the world over is now publicizing this RSV and what has to happen. And to me, that looks like just the next pretext.
• 12:19
  Whether it's true or not, it is the global control paradigm. We know that the world government's agreed to kill seven billion people. That's not an issue anymore. They wrote it all down. Will it happen by virtue of this RSV, which was undoubtedly man made like COVID, or is it just a control paradigm to make it all happen?
• 12:36
  Either way, I don't believe anything they have to say, Seth. So I do say this, I do admit that you're giving credibility, the bona fides to epoch times means a lot to me. I know you're a straight up guy. You demand the truth of others because you only speak the truth. So that means a lot to me.
• 12:57
  It gives me some some weight. If that's what they're saying and concerned about, then I guess I have to be able to concern myself.
• 13:05
  Seth Holehouse: And one of the things I remember in researching that, because to me, was also when I when I had heard that, and what's interesting is that there's some other different people I've been I've been speaking to that even are, say military, you know, in The United States or ex military United States. And what's interesting is that, you know, a few different of, you know, these folks I've had private conversations with have also said, like, independently, their sources have told them similar numbers for China. Really? Which, you know, which was interesting. Yeah, it's interesting.
• 13:35
  Look, I don't want to be I absolutely don't want to be the person that's coming out and saying, Look, I have some military intel that, you know, that a source of a source said X. I'm not trying to put that forth. But I know that also some of the analysis I was reading about it and asking some of the questions because I, you know, I was talking to some folks in the Chinese about this, and they're telling me that part of it was that actually, the is a very large elderly population in China. And that the elderly population, you know, by and large is heavily retired. But because of how their households work, they're oftentimes living with their children.
• 14:14
  And so that the so it's not like say in America, say in America, we had 50,000,000 people that passed and say there were proportionately larger, you know, most of them, I would say aren't living with their children. So you'd see a massive flood of real estate, you'd see a massive flood of assets coming in. Whereas it's harder, it goes more unnoticed in a place like China. And so
• 14:37
  Todd Callender: I could see that.
• 14:38
  Seth Holehouse: But again, I'm still as much as I trust them over other media. I'm still you know, similarly, as you mentioned, I'm really trying to seek out the truth. And I'm really trying to I don't take things at face value.
• 14:53
  Todd Callender: Let me add this to your calculus because I think you make a really good point as it relates to the other one. First and foremost, they were targeted by the whole coronavirus thing. Why? Because they are a strain on the budget. So, if Social Security is an unfunded mandate and The US budget is a problem for our country, you can be assured that it's equal or more of a problem in a communist country that's their sole source of So I could see absolutely if there was going to be 400,000,000,000 people, would it be quite convenient?
• 15:26
  Even if it was half of that, wouldn't it be convenient to get rid of that budgetary problem? And I think that's actually part of their plan generally. And you see this actually reflected in Canada now, has opened up the idea of euthanasia for disabled people. If you've got a malady, you're disabled. Maybe you don't want to live here anyway.
• 15:49
  They're making it possible. So I think it generally goes with that whole thought process. That would make sense to me, and you wouldn't necessarily miss a matter in the workforce. It's a fascinating thought process.
• 16:01
  Seth Holehouse: Well, the other thing that was interesting is in some of the Apartheid Times reporting is they're talking about, you know, not necessarily that particular number, but you're talking about an increase in deaths over there. And through the research they had done, there was it showed that there was almost a disproportionately large percentage of these deaths were actually people that were part of the Communist Party. This is where this is where it gets really interesting is it I'll I'll pull up a graphic soon once I kind of pass it back over to you so I can look for it. But it gets into the bigger picture of what's happening. It is something almost biblical happening in China, because I think that we, you know, most people, they look at things through the lens of their own culture and their own nation, we think, okay, if this is the end times, and we're going to have rivers of blood, you know, in the Mississippi River will turn red because America is really the, you know, the center of so many things, or maybe it would be over somewhere in the Middle East.
• 17:00
  But, like, you know, China has had these blood red rivers, actually, you can I'm not sure if you've seen the photos of those. But they're they're they're frightening. And you know, and of course, they they rushed to say, Oh, it's from pollution. And it's like, okay, well, maybe it's in some form. But does that take away from the fact that it's still blood red rivers?
• 17:18
  Right? So I think that in many ways that China is it's something that the evil that we're up against in this battle of good versus evil, the evil that we're up against, I just feel like that there's a significant portion of that evil in this battle and that's controlling the whole world is rooted in the CCP.
• 17:44
  Todd Callender: Yes.
• 17:44
  Seth Holehouse: Like in a very, very evil. Yes. Demonic way. Hey, folks. I've got a quick message for you.
• 17:51
  So I'm sure you've heard a lot of people, myself included, talking about the importance of buying precious metals, gold and silver. But what's really behind that? Is it just a thing of, hey, buy this gold, buy this silver. Right? Or is there something deeper that we should be looking at?
• 18:07
  So I recently came across some figures about house prices. So in 1930, the average family home was approximately $4,000. Fast forward to 2023, the average family home is just over $400,000. So you have to ask yourself, why is that? Is it because things have just gotten more expensive?
• 18:25
  No, it's actually because the dollar has lost 99% of its value since 1930. Right? When people talk about the collapse the dollar or inflation, this is what it means. Now, let's take a look at gold. So in 1930, if you wanted to purchase your home in gold, it would take approximately 200 gold coins.
• 18:44
  So 200 gold coins would purchase the average family home in 1930, about $4,000. Now, if you instead of buying a home with that gold or cash, you set those aside. If you set aside $4,000 in cash in 1930, it would be worth $4,000 today. What can you buy with $4,000? Can you buy a family home?
• 19:04
  No, you can't even buy a crappy used car. But if you set aside $4,000 worth of gold coins in 1930, which is 200 gold coins, 1 ounce coins, that would be worth approximately $400,000 today. And this is the key lesson about precious metals. It's not about getting rich. It's about putting your money into an asset that protects you against inflation and against the destruction of the currency, which is what happens to all fiat currencies, especially now we're in the end days of the dollar.
• 19:38
  And so that's why it's important, maybe not all of your money, but a portion of your money, a portion of what you have, I highly recommend putting it into precious metals of gold and silver because what it's doing is it's protecting you. This is an asset that has stood the test of time, not just stood the test of time since the 1930s, we're talking about the rise and fall of civilizations. Gold was used to buy houses back in ancient Rome. It's still around. It's an asset that will forever have its value.
• 20:08
  So folks, if you want to do this and you need someone you can trust, there's no person I can recommend more than doctor Kirk Elliott. He's a very good friend of mine. He's a strong Christian patriot, and he's out to really help people to protect their savings and what you've worked for against the destruction of the dollar, not to mention also protecting it against the dangers of a central bank digital currencies. So to learn more about this, go to goldwithseth.com or call (720) 605-3900. Again, that's goldwithseth.com or (720) 605-3900.
• 20:43
  Both those places will allow you to set up a quick appointment where you can talk to a wealth advisor that will help get you started on this path. Again, goldwithseth.com 7 2 0 6 0 5 3 9 0 zero.
• 20:55
  Todd Callender: Well, they were chosen to be the only surviving sovereign as part of this restructuring of our global governance, as they call it. China was the model. That's why you saw the social credit system, the central bank digital currency. All of that was ruled out years in advance. It's effectively a beta test for the rest of the planet.
• 21:19
  I couldn't agree with you more about that. And in terms of being ruthless, you're absolutely right. Isn't it true that leader of the Chinese People's Republic Of China, the Communist Party, is the most ruthless one there. They win that position by attrition, outperforming the others. And so I've heard that Xi Jinping is, in fact, especially so, and how he won that seat was from being brutal and unyielding to others.
• 21:58
  So I don't disagree with the whole proposition of this. It fits perfectly with what it is you're saying. I just find it very strange to think about disposing of that many bodies. But having said all that, Seth, look, we have to go back to the original precept, is the plan was to kill 7,000,000,000 people. 400,000,000 is a pretty good step in the right direction for that thing to happen.
• 22:21
  So why wouldn't that be right?
• 22:24
  Seth Holehouse: That's it's a it's a good it's a good point. Something I want to I want to bring up some mention that you know, Epoch Times, you're talking about how the a lot of the deaths that we're seeing were disproportionately people that were strongly associated with the Chinese Communist Party. So there's this this and this can be kind of mind blowing to you. So there's this 270 year, a two seventy million year old mountain, you know, kind of stone mountain in China. And about five hundred years ago, the Earth had shifted and a rock face kind of opened up on this mountain.
• 23:01
  And when that rock face opened up, it actually revealed in in the rock and there's been experts that have studied this to look at it. But within the rock, unveiled Chinese characters that say heaven will eliminate the check the CCP. So I'll show you this is the this is the picture of it right here.
• 23:22
  Todd Callender: That's cool. This
• 23:25
  Seth Holehouse: was and you can find this if you want to look. But basically what this was, and this is a site now that the CCP freaked out about this, they've tried to hide it and cover it up. Because as much as they're they're they kind of you think of them as being atheist, they're actually very, they're I hate using the word superstitious, but they believe very much so in the auspicious signs of the heavens. And they're they're very much so driven by that. And so this, this rock opened up saying that I'll kind of scroll down here.
• 23:59
  Says in June 2002, a 270,000,000 year old hidden word stone was discovered in Guizhou, China. The incredible stone was discovered thanks to a crack formed in a megalith five hundred years ago, reveal revealing six clearly discernible Chinese characters that clearly spell the Chinese Communist Party will perish. And I won't attempt to read the Chinese, but that's literally what it looks like. And so it anyway, if you look at that and you look at potentially this increase in deaths of people, especially those that are they're tied to the Chinese Communist Party, And then we look at this, you know, these discussions that we commonly have here in America and among, you know, truth seeking certain circles and patriot circles of saying, you know, will God help us? Right?
• 24:49
  This is a battle of good and evil. And like, let's pray and have God help us. Well, if you look at that, and you look at that, a lot of the Chinese Communist Party members are dying, allegedly. And you look at these ancient prophecies and ancient signs indicating that to me that God is saying that this scourge on the earth will be eliminated? I mean, to me, this should be the center of so many of the discussions that we're having about this battle of good and evil right now.
• 25:19
  Todd Callender: Well, didn't know anything about it. And the answer is yes, absolutely. Isn't that true? You know, we've talked about this a few times historically that, you know, in my view, the owners have to be missing because there's no other way we would still be here. The anomalies that we see, whether that was Trump winning office the first time or the miscalculation on COVID, it's supposed to be more deadly than it was, or even getting people to take the shots, or Iran not launching a nuclear weapon, know, for instance, all of these things just over and over and over are non sequiturs.
• 25:56
  And I keep coming back to the same thing, Seth, that it's got to be God's divine hand. You know, these are unseen forces. What you just said, didn't know anything about it. I mean, that's impressive. It really kind of gives me the chills.
• 26:09
  It's really cool. And how else does one explain these kinds of things? I hate to sound superstitious myself, but I'm a true believer. You know, I think God's given us this opportunity.
• 26:22
  Seth Holehouse: And what's also interesting to think about is that, you know, we look at this global control mechanism that we're up against and it's messy, right? And I've done very deep dives and understanding the the structures of the of the elites and the cabal. Yeah. You know, how does the WEF fit into the the UN and, you know, to the Rothschilds and your you the banking cartel, but then also you have the CCP and you have the BRICS alliances. It's it's a very kind of messy thing.
• 26:48
  But one thing that I think you could say pretty certainly is that, let's just say hypothetically, if the World Economic Forum was dissolved, if Klaus Schwab got in a car accident, and then he died, you could guarantee another WEF would pop up within a couple of months with new figureheads put into place doing the same exact thing. If the CCP collapsed tomorrow, and their Belt and Road Initiative collapsed, and their the control over all the politicians around the world, if that all collapsed tomorrow,
• 27:23
  Todd Callender: Yeah.
• 27:23
  Seth Holehouse: That would be I think a fatal blow to this global cabal that wants to bring about a global communist system.
• 27:32
  Todd Callender: Undoubtedly. You know, it's interesting you said that you made reference to the Belt Road Initiative, we have some involvement, believe it or not, as it relates to that, in our regular business. The Belt and Road Initiative was added as an amendment, as an addendum to the Chinese constitution in 2013. And the IMF was the original funder of a special development fund. It was an Asian Pacific development fund that's been researched.
• 27:58
  That is the owner's project. Belt and Road is the owner's project, but they use China as a means to get it implemented. And no different, the belt and road obviously goes around the planet, at least that's the plan, but it also falls the Silk Trail, goes right through the heart of where? Ukraine. And people are wondering why all these different forces are fighting over all this stuff.
• 28:21
  And at the end of the day, a lot of it has to do with the Belt Road Initiative, including, by the way, the abandonment of $83,000,000,000 worth of equipment that the US military left behind in Afghanistan. Why? Because it's also right through to the very same place that this Belt and Road Initiative goes. We didn't just leave behind weaponry. There's left behind a whole lot of trucks, trucks and heavy earth moving equipment, airplanes, everything you can imagine.
• 28:50
  Isn't it convenient that the Chinese and the people building this thing didn't have to bring their own materials? Sitting right there, we left them for them, with gas in the tank, so to speak. So, yeah, I think that you're absolutely right. It is and always was the OMS project. The vision of Belt and Road was to have autonomous vehicles, not with people, and to be able to go around and speed commerce and the movement of goods and services and people, as the case may be, but to be completely independent, that it was autonomous and not humans, It was AI running this thing.
• 29:28
  So that seems to be falling apart in many respects. I think Ukraine is a symptom of that, to be frank with you.
• 29:36
  Seth Holehouse: Hey, folks. I have a quick message for you. Thank you so much for watching and listening to this interview. I have one small request. If you're enjoying what you're listening to, could you please share this interview with one person?
• 29:49
  Just one person. Because of censorship and shadow banning, it's so hard to get this content out to more people. And the only way we can really do it is when you help by sharing it. So if you like what you're listening to, hit pause, share it with one person. It helps so much.
• 30:03
  Thank you so much. Exciting. I agree. And you know, one thing you mentioned that I want to touch upon and add a few things too is you talked about the just the evilness of the CCP. Right?
• 30:15
  And talking about, you know, in this battle of good and evil, how can we not be pretty focused on what's happening in China under the CCP? And, you know, one thing that will bring up, you know, so we know the stories of, you know, Daniel in the lion's den and the persecution of Christians have went through over hundreds of years. You know, absolutely atrocious. But if you look at here in America, it feels like, okay, yes, there's a targeting of, you know, white Christians here in America, as you know, as you can see, I think a lot of that ties back into the CCP because I've even read reports that they've had done. The CCP has issued reports on why is America so strong.
• 30:51
  And actually, those reports came back, you know, cultural reports and deep analysis that America is so strong because of its Judeo Christian values, because of its its morality. It's the fabric that holds the country together. So they've known for a very long time the importance of targeting the morality here in America.
• 31:08
  Todd Callender: You bet.
• 31:08
  Seth Holehouse: And subverting it. But if you if you so it feels like things are really bad here in America, or you could look to say certain parts of the Middle East. But if you go to China, if you look at China, you know, for one, the Bible the Bible that you have sitting on your shelf that I have sitting on my shelf is banned in China. There you are only allowed to have the the official Chinese Communist Party version of the Bible where they've actually written they've removed a lot of the miracles of Christ in the Bible. Right?
• 31:36
  Because they don't want you to believe they don't want you to believe something higher than the Chinese Communist Party. So many underground Christians in China, they just want to read the real Bible have been they've been arrested, they've been tortured, they've had their organs cut out. They've been sold into the bodies exhibitions. I'm not sure if you remember the bodies exhibitions that were really popular at one point that all happened to be Chinese. You know, a lot of those are political prisoners, you've got the massive camps that the Uighur, the Muslim camps, and it actually I interviewed a Chinese surgeon that had defected that was that was forced to do live organ harvesting on prisoners.
• 32:14
  What he said is he said that the reason why they have these massive Uighur camps is because they get such a high premium for kosher, no, for halal for basically the organs when they go selling to the Middle East, the Muslims want organs from the Muslims, right? So they sell a lot of the organ trade was actually going to like Saudi Arabia, etcetera. So that's why they had these huge camps. But then you had the Falun Gong, you know, which which at the peak of its introduction was approaching between 7,100,000,000 people in China were practicing this meditation practice then banned these they've been again, and I've interviewed some of these survivors, I've worked with a lot of them, you know, through a lot of the efforts in exposing that the human rights abuses in China, but they've been systematically had their organs harvested, they've been, you know, raped, tortured, I've read a lot of detailed information about how they've killed them by throwing dozens in the cauldrons of boiling oil, for instance, as ways of, I mean, it's absolutely atrocious. And so if you look at this evil that we're up against, and then ties to the actions of the CCP.
• 33:22
  And all this has continued under Xi Jinping. So the people that have said, Oh, Xi Jinping is actually fighting against the deep state. Well, what he's doing to his own people. He didn't, he didn't come in and say, you know what, bring your Bible, bring the Bible you want. The persecutions of people of faith have continued just as strongly there.
• 33:39
  Todd Callender: Yeah, they rule through fear. And this is how it's always done. It's their brutality that allows them to keep this kind of control. It's interesting, though, despite that, you see this blossoming Christianity. You and I have spoken about it before.
• 33:55
  And as odd as it may seem to you, when we built Truth Hub, which is our video conferencing platform, we built it in such a way that Chinese Christians would be able to attend Bible study, and when they closed out the meeting, there would be no evidence that it ever happened. That was actually our intention, was to provide people with that ability, because it's really about freeing the mind and freeing people's spirits. And I am with you wholeheartedly as it relates to that, because it is about spirituality, it is about the battle for souls, and we can see good and evil. I think if nothing else, what we've learned out of this whole thing is how to spot it. And I'm glad you said that about Xi Jinping and how it is that he's there and not training Bibles or anything else into China.
• 34:44
  I don't think the brutality is lessened in any respect. I don't think the demand for body parts has gone down at all. I've certainly not heard anything to that effect. So I have to tell you, I'm rethinking this whole thing about your 400,000,000 Chinese. Is it plausible?
• 35:01
  And if so, how would they go about doing it? It does explain a lot of things, Seth, including why is it that the Chinese to go after Taiwan yet? They may simply not have the manpower to do that. And then you get into the causal relationship. I just don't believe, frankly, that what's happening in China is in a vacuum.
• 35:26
  It seems highly unlikely, in light of the whole coronavirus experience that we had, flights are not stopped in and out of China. And if this is attacking that particular population, then why is it not attacking that population in other places? So it seems a bit contrived to me. But nothing is going to stop them unless it is us. There is no savior coming other than God Himself who guides us.
• 35:51
  But I think it's really about empowering ourselves, Seth, that there isn't any one person coming to save us. It's all of us standing up, and I think that includes the 400,000,000 or so Chinese, which is what I understood to be the number of Christians in China now. It's actually a very huge amount of people that would be half of the remaining people as a matter of fact.
• 36:15
  Seth Holehouse: That's actually, actually, I'll bring that up while we're talking here. But that's an interesting point, because I know that we, you know, I talked about the the quit the CCP movement. Right? I'll pull up this webpage again. Because this was on one of our more recent shows saying that that over 400,000,000 people have quit the party and its affiliated organizations.
• 36:38
  These are people that have publicly renounced the Chinese Communist Party. So I mean The Rock was right. Yeah.
• 36:44
  Todd Callender: The Great Rock in China was right.
• 36:47
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. Exactly. And so it's just That's cool. It's it's interesting that it's just interesting to look at all these things, and what's also kind of fascinating to look at is if you, again, if you look at this control system, this global control system that's trying to implement the technology and everything, I know I think a lot of it is based on on space technology. But I think a lot of it is really built on the back of five g technology.
• 37:13
  And if you look at, you know, previously, I've pulled up different maps of who controls the world's the majority of the world's five g infrastructure. It's actually China.
• 37:22
  Todd Callender: It's Huawei.
• 37:23
  Seth Holehouse: Right? Huawei. Which is really, really concerning. But yes, going into the way that people fighting back actually, you know, we're on on some email threads together. And I know that you recently shared a really encouraging article about how the second largest city in Connecticut, Stanford, they recently voted to reject this massive push for a five gs infrastructure on the public utility.
• 37:46
  So so let's let's get into that. Because that's a good example of of We the People.
• 37:52
  Todd Callender: Well, really is. It's anecdotal to We the People. So yes, that's right. In Connecticut, there are others following, and I have to give credit due where it is, the Children's Health Defense won a case some years ago, I think it was 02/2001 actually. They put 15,000 pages worth of evidence into the court record that people are drawing upon because this has already been authenticated.
• 38:16
  So we drafted a bunch of templates, you know, complaints for people to follow. And people are doing this. They're downloading it and saying, We're not gonna take it, but thank you for that. But there's more. You know, the cool part is there's more.
• 38:32
  Recently we saw the WHO saying, We now have an agreement of 194 countries that, you know, amendments to the pandemic treaty are all in place. Everybody agrees that we now have this power. And then you see Costa Rica and New Zealand and other countries raising their hands saying, no, no, no. No, we didn't.
• 38:52
  Seth Holehouse: Folks, have a quick message for you. Look, the twenty twenty four election is do or die for the globalists and communists that had infiltrated our country and are currently running it. And they either have to win or they're going to destroy America so nothing is left either way. And if you're the person that's watching this show and following this information, unfortunately, you have the weight on your shoulders of making sure that your family is prepared, especially as we head in to this next year in this next election cycle because unfortunately, I think it's gonna get rough. And one of the ways I know they're going to target us is through our food supply.
• 39:25
  You can see all the food factories burned down, you can see the warnings of coming famines and food shortages and everything like that. And food is one of the number one ways totalitarian regimes have always used to control the populations destroy the food supply. So if you don't have at least two, three, four, five, six months worth of stored food, I highly recommend you take that very seriously. Because look, as I mentioned, if you're the person that's watching this, you're the person that carries the burden of making sure your family is prepared. I would recommend at least six months, if not a year of storable food.
• 39:57
  So if things go haywire, whether it's grid down or terrorist attack from what's coming across the border, that your family can safely stay in place and you can feed your family. So folks today, go to heavensharvest.com and make sure you get your storeable food that'll last for up to twenty five years. Just in case things go south, you know that you have what's gonna take to feed your family, which is so so critical for us to get through this next stage of history. So go to heavensharvest.com today, order your food that lasts up to twenty five years and use promo code Seth to save 15% on your entire order. Again, that's heavensharvest.com and use promo code Seth, s e t h, to save 15% on your entire order.
• 40:40
  Todd Callender: So there's not harmony in their one world government. You see competition rising and you see people actually standing up. And the cool part, like the people in Connecticut and some of these other countries for that matter, there's no consequences. We were involved in, just tangentially, were involved in this case in Costa Rica where the courts were looking at the conduct of the government officials and whether or not they knew or didn't know, and it seems like it's a foregone conclusion that the Costa Rican government has agreed and admitted this was an intentional poisoning of their people. And where's the pushback?
• 41:17
  And what I'm trying to say to you is that there isn't from a global scale, but when the pandemic itself was unrolling, or unfurling, I should say. In Haiti, we saw the president say, No, my people can have Ivermectin if they want to. Next thing you know, he's dead. Nagafumi, same thing in Tanzania. You know, he showed that a Coca Cola would set off the PCR test.
• 41:41
  Next thing you know, he's dead. It happened over and over again. And so now we're seeing these changes, these disruptions, the frustration of the mission, and yet there's no bad consequence to it. So I'm extraordinarily encouraged by that because I think that's what actually gives people the courage because they can see that I stand, but I'm still going to be fine. Right?
• 42:01
  And I'm just really chuffed to know what's happening.
• 42:04
  Seth Holehouse: So there's also one thing to add to that is so that the you know, the guy Yes. How to pronounce his name? How do you pronounce?
• 42:15
  Todd Callender: Or Mili?
• 42:16
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. Mili. How he's basically here you go. New President of Argentina plans to shut down the central bank. And so there's people saying, look, he's got ties to the WEF.
• 42:28
  And it's like, okay, well, maybe people had ties to the WEF. And they've, they've since realized what that means. They've since realized that it means that the destruction of the entire world that they hold dear. But I mean, this is this is interesting that these guys coming
• 42:42
  Todd Callender: in This is really important. This is really important for another reason, by the way, sorry, this I don't want to lose this. Argentina has suffered up to 100% inflation per year for a long, long time. And they've had nothing but trouble with their economy. By design, it's Central Bank also owned by the Bank for International Settlements.
• 43:02
  Now you see the new guy saying, no, we're just gonna switch to the US dollar. Ecuador did it. Panama has done it. El Salvador has done that. And that's like a twofer.
• 43:13
  That's a big win because assuming that they switch to the US dollar, it makes it all the more difficult for The US to issue a central bank digital currency. Why? Because in those countries, rains, nobody wants the Argentine peso. They deal in US dollars and big amounts of the same thing happens throughout South America. And so the idea that they're going to roll on CBDC and everybody's going to buy into it is absurd.
• 43:40
  Absolutely absurd. So we're we're winning on both fronts there. I just love it.
• 43:44
  Seth Holehouse: Well, but then, I mean, kind of adding to the kind of fun news, we've also got, you know, Elon Musk going after media matters with which, mean, and I'm not sure if people know that so much of the censorship that has happened since the election and even before that has actually come out of media matters because they'll run a hit piece on SGT report on any of these different people that have these independent channels.
• 44:08
  Todd Callender: Fan in America.
• 44:09
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah, yep. And then well, before you know it, before you know it, PayPal stops working with them. You know, Patreon stops working with them. So the fact that and again, Elon Musk, you know, whether you trust him or not, him going, he says thermonuclear, right? Against media matters, but not just him.
• 44:28
  You've also got, you know, Trump, you know, through social launching a massive lawsuit against 20 different media outlets. You've got that you've got Rumble. So you have the
• 44:40
  Todd Callender: You can throw you can throw a Clothub into that mix. We're gearing up ourselves.
• 44:45
  Seth Holehouse: Are you? So Rumble is going after so what are you what's your game plan? I mean, you can talk about.
• 44:51
  Todd Callender: I will talk about it because I think it's important for people to understand that in this industry of information sharing, the alt media, which you're very much a member of, the platforms are all now faced with the FCC who last week voted to control content. They gave themselves the power to control or regulate every part of the internet. And now, lo and behold, we have people like the good Doctor. Vliet. God love her.
• 45:18
  Her online store has been shut down. Out of the blue, we had channel owners in CloudHub. Out of the blue, there's now these antiviral software things are saying, This is a hazardous site, you can't go there. And they literally cut off access. All of this seems to be related to that same kind of a timing, the same with Mr.
• 45:39
  Musk and frankly, Trump. It all comes on the heels of the change the FCC, who's now said, we are going to control what's called equity. We're going to decide what information is equitable and what isn't, whatever that means, right? So it's all part of the 2,030 Agenda Sustainability Goals, SDGs as they call them. And so we don't have a choice set.
• 46:01
  So, you know, in the board of TADA, there's three lawyers, including myself. We have other lawyers in the group. And we are now openly soliciting, talking to other platforms about collaborating on lawsuits to stop this. Number one, it's not constitutional. You can't control content.
• 46:19
  The First Amendment is very clear on this. There's a litany of cases on this, including the one with Hustler. Now, that was actually a landmark case. So anyway, the point is we're not going to take it. We are all gearing up, and we're going to fight because we have to fight.
• 46:37
  People understand this is the battle. The information is the battle for souls because that's how we make our decisions.
• 46:44
  Seth Holehouse: And do you get the sense that, let's just say around 2020, where we saw, I think the stranglehold of censorship and global control, Really, you know, raining down upon us. Yes. Do you get the sense, though, that they put the the cabal, the whatever you want to call them these these monsters, they put everything into that time, it put into that attack. And it didn't work how they want it to. And now they're scrambling and now the the good and the righteous and the God fearing people are now mounting up against them?
• 47:23
  Do you feel like that's where we're at in this this battle?
• 47:26
  Todd Callender: I do. And I think that it's by virtue of their failure, right? The disease wasn't lethal enough, the response wasn't coordinated enough, it wasn't broad enough. And I think all of that, frankly, is due to the four or five years that Mr. Trump cost them in their command and control coordination.
• 47:46
  And that is, frankly, again, something I think was divine intervention, we were allowed opportunity to see what's actually happening. For those four or five years, giving us a new interest in nationalism, in family, in exiting the WHO, there all of a sudden was a creation of competition, not just competition amongst countries, but also, you know, about ideas, that there was an openness that seemed to them like Aristroica back in the day. So yeah, I agree with you entirely that we are in a different paradigm where we have the opportunity to sit this out, and I think that's happening. And frankly, that's what I think this SDR thing is about. They're no different than Xi Jinping.
• 48:36
  They control through fear. And what I'm seeing is a lot of people saying, I'm tired of being afraid. And some of that stuff, frankly, has to do with people who are embracing the fact that they've been poisoned. You know, we see it a lot more routinely now. People who didn't want to believe they've been genetically modified, people who didn't want to believe that these shots were designed to hurt them or kill them are now dealing with the consequences of that, and they're planning what's left of their lives around it If they're already dying, that they're not afraid of death, right?
• 49:06
  They've already coped with that. So the big scary monster in the room isn't so scary anymore.
• 49:11
  Seth Holehouse: That's a good point, because I, you know, say two years ago, you'd see what clips are going viral. And it may have been a interview with Sherri Tenpenny talking about the different vectors of the vaccines. Now the videos you have going viral are the person that got the vaccine and now half their face looks like it's melting because they have severe nerve damage and everything. Those are the videos going viral. So you know, you can you can fact check a you know, Sherri Tenpenny video and say that this is conspiracy.
• 49:42
  What are you going to say to the to the 37 year old mom that you lost control of half of her body within twelve hours of getting her first booster? It's like the narrative, they can't control that narrative.
• 49:55
  Todd Callender: No, and there's so much of it now. I just saw a statistic, if it was earlier this week, it would have been Monday, that twenty five percent of the people polled know a person that died. So whether that's in their family or in their friend groups, whatever, that's a lot of people. One out of four actually knew somebody. So you can't hide this forever.
• 50:22
  And you thank you very kindly for what it is you've done, Seth. You've been very vociferous in helping people understand the true causation, reality, you're a truth sayer. It's taken a long time for that to resonate with people, but it finally is. And we're finally getting to this point now where people are seeing the FDA and the CDC coming out and it's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they're like, oh yeah, those guys again?
• 50:45
  What's new? So I think it's through the dedication, the efforts, the tenacity, the sheer tenacity of our messaging, but it adds bona fides and credibility because we haven't changed what we're saying. Look at the other side, went from this is gonna cure you to well, maybe it won't cure you, it'll stop transmission to maybe it's safe and effective, but it won't harm you. And then, you know, now they're down to the point where I think it's twelve percent, if you believe the official numbers, have gotten boosters. That's not a huge uptake.
• 51:18
  Moderna's reporting record losses. It's in the billions. Those are those are enormous wins for humanity.
• 51:26
  Seth Holehouse: And so the takeaway in this is to have hope. And to know there is a divine hand in this, in this battle, and that it's on our side. And we have to have hope. And we have hope you look around, there's all these little indicators that show you, wow, there's there's actual there's real reason to have hope.
• 51:45
  Todd Callender: I think so. And you know what, I'm glad to be wrong that we see the morbidity and the mortality is obviously very high. But I have not seen the same kind of mortality that we were actually expecting. People are sick and they're clearly injured. And I think one of the reasons why we're not seeing the huge mortality numbers, mind you, they are big, but they're not as catastrophic as we envisioned, is we see people actually doing something about it.
• 52:12
  They're mitigating the effects, whether it's taking the NAC or a huge doses of obesity or whatever. We've got a lot of docs and they are giving out information the whole time. They never stop, but it's crazy. So you see this interest in people actually taking matters into their own hands and not going to the hospital so much, but actually helping themselves. And I think that's been really helpful to reducing the total loss that we've suffered.
• 52:39
  So just what you said, there's hope. People are figuring this out. That is the hope.
• 52:45
  Seth Holehouse: Well, Todd, it's always great having you on. I really appreciate everything that you're doing and making time for these interviews. And I just thank you for what you're doing. And thank you for gracing us with your presence on this show.
• 52:58
  Todd Callender: It's my pleasure. Thanks for having me. I just missed the whole campfire thing. We keep talking about that one of days. Your flannel shirt makes me miss the days of the cold only slightly.
• 53:14
  It's such a pleasure to be with you, Seth.
• 53:15
  Seth Holehouse: Thanks for Alright. Thank you, Todd. Take care.
• 53:18
  Todd Callender: Alright. God bless, man.