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91. Amanda Chantal Bacon, Founder Moon Juice · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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Speaker 3: My name's Emily Abadi and you are listening to episode
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Speaker 3: ninety one of Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast where I
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Speaker 3: This week, I'm chatting with Amanda chantal Bacon. She's the
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Speaker 3: founder of Moonjuice, what started as a standalone fresh pressed
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Speaker 3: juice bar in Venice, California, back in twenty eleven and
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Speaker 3: now is a global holistic brand selling everything from medicinal.
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Speaker 2: Mushroom herb and mineral dusts to skin care essentials.
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Speaker 3: I cannot tell you how many messages I got last
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Speaker 3: week when I posted a photo on my Instagram story
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Speaker 3: this is a real place. Yes, It's a very real place,
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Speaker 3: and I've been a fan of it myself since I
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Speaker 3: first tried their Action Dust, which is now called power Dust,
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Speaker 3: back when I worked itself in twenty sixteen. Now, I
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Speaker 3: really wanted to sit down with Amanda since starting the podcast,
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Speaker 3: and her story is so impressive building this business on
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Speaker 3: her own because she believed so passionately about the power
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Speaker 3: Amanda's empire is worldwide. We talk about why she had
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Speaker 3: to stop eating gluten at age five, what life was
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Speaker 1: Today.
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Speaker 3: I'm sitting down with Amanda chantal Bacon. She is the
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Speaker 3: founder of Moonjuice. Good morning, Good afternoon.
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Speaker 2: What time is it? Good afternoon?
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Speaker 3: When I'm in Lai, I was gonna say, I completely
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Speaker 3: lose track of time because I'm like running on these
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Speaker 3: excited endorphins because of the weather.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the sign. I'm just thriving on Vitamin.
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Speaker 1: You now as we're like lounging on a linen couch
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Speaker 1: on a sunny day.
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Speaker 3: It's my kind of day. It's funny. I'm sitting here
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Speaker 3: also sipping some blue tonic from Moon Juice. I was
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Speaker 3: near the shop in Venice this morning after grabbing breakfast,
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Speaker 3: and I'm thinking to myself, what.
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Speaker 2: Is it that you've consumed so far today?
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is you know, quite pitiful. We
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Speaker 1: were talking about it before. I have a six month
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Speaker 1: old and so I've been juggling, you know, a baby
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Speaker 1: all morning and work and trying to get.
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Speaker 2: Out of the house some times.
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Speaker 1: So sadly, I've maybe not so sadly, I've had a
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Speaker 1: tonic with sex dust and brain dust in it, with
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Speaker 1: some grass fed butter okay, and hot water because I
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Speaker 1: don't have any nut milk in the house, don't really
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Speaker 1: have any groceries. And then and this, really this is bad.
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Speaker 1: I had like a healthy sunflower nut butter cup. It's candy.
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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I like how you said healthy, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: health with quotes you've done say that you're using air
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Speaker 3: quotes when here recording a podcast.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a.
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Speaker 1: Healthy candy bar a ton and I have all intentions
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Speaker 1: of having a nice, hearty lunch.
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Speaker 3: I think what's first and foremost important for us to
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Speaker 3: kind of explain a little bit is like the concept
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Speaker 3: behind Moonjuice. So tell me first and foremost what is
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Speaker 3: moon juice? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: What is moon Juice?
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Speaker 1: That you know is a great question for even me
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Speaker 1: myself to ponder these days. It is growing and expanding
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Speaker 1: so quickly, as you know, I feel like things in
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Speaker 1: the world are just moving so quickly, especially in this
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Speaker 1: in this wellness space. I hate I cringe to say
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Speaker 1: the wellness space, but we'll use that word. So moon
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Speaker 1: Juice was started. It's been over eight years now, which
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Speaker 1: is incredible. We opened in twenty eleven in Venice Beach,
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Speaker 1: and we opened with a small juice shop that you
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Speaker 1: went to this morning. And we very quickly, I say
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Speaker 1: we we as in like me and my infant son
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Speaker 1: that I had strapped to me while I was making
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Speaker 1: smoothies and you know, like pressing the juice. And so
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Speaker 1: we opened at a time pre wellness industry, I think
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Speaker 1: you could say, and they're really there wasn't juice out there.
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Speaker 1: There certainly weren't adaptogens. This is very new, and I
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Speaker 1: think people around me were really nervous to see me
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Speaker 1: leaving my life of you know, like a stable career
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Speaker 1: in the fine dining kind of like California cuisine movement
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Speaker 1: to do this weird thing that probably nobody was going
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Speaker 1: to like and understand, and I was going to be
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Speaker 1: broke and homeless with my baby. That was not the
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Speaker 1: case though. We opened the shop and beauty editors started
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Speaker 1: calling in from New York, and I had no idea why. How, Like,
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Speaker 1: you know, this was pre Instagram, so how they were
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Speaker 1: finding me, I don't know. The juice shop itself was gangbusters,
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Speaker 1: you know, from like we opened one day in the rain,
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Speaker 1: unannounced and there were just lines out the door I
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Speaker 1: was like, you know, Japanese tourists coming in taking pictures
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Speaker 1: of everything, So I think my Lucky Stars.
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Speaker 2: Was that like totally surreal? Yes, yeah, yeah it was.
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Speaker 1: I also had a tiny infant, my son who's now eight,
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Speaker 1: so I think I just wasn't sleeping. You know, anyone
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Speaker 1: that has a baby knows that. Like you kind of
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Speaker 1: don't remember that year anyway, so the two compounded. I
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Speaker 1: don't know.
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Speaker 2: I woke up almost a decade later to reflect. So
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Speaker 2: here we are today. Here we are reflecting. Here we
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Speaker 2: are reflecting. When you first opened, what kind of offerings
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Speaker 2: did moon Juice have?
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Speaker 1: We had cold pressed juice, so it was raw, organic
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Speaker 1: cold press juice, which was really unheard of by most
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Speaker 1: people at that point. We pressed almond milk. People didn't
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Speaker 1: really know what almond milk was, if you can believe it.
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Speaker 1: This was pre Kallifia and like all those standard things.
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Speaker 1: I can get almond milk now at any coffee shop
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Speaker 1: in the world. Yeah, next up on your airplane, they'll
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Speaker 1: be offering almond milk.
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Speaker 3: I actually asked for that the other day on my flight,
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Speaker 3: and it was just subconscious, like I didn't think like, oh,
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Speaker 3: you're on a delta flight, like, you don't expect them
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Speaker 3: to have all the belt. But after he was like, oh,
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Speaker 3: we don't have that. In my head, I'm like, of
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Speaker 3: course they don't have that, why would you ask them
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Speaker 3: for it?
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Speaker 1: But they will soon, and I feel like Get Blue
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Speaker 1: will be the place to do it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so we'll watch out next to your blue chips. Yes,
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Speaker 3: side of almond milk, fresh pressed juices, fresh, yes, pressed
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Speaker 3: almond milk.
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Speaker 2: Yes, these What about the dusts?
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Speaker 3: And you mentioned the dust briefly before, so talk to
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Speaker 3: me a little bit about what those are.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So you know, we started out by offering nut milk
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Speaker 1: splended with these plants called adaptogens and made to be
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Speaker 1: super delicious, like a meal replacement enriched milk. You know,
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Speaker 1: I never used the word smoothie when we opened, because
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Speaker 1: people were really conditioned to feel like a smoothie had
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Speaker 1: lots of frozen bananas and was thick, right, So we
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Speaker 1: called the moon milks. Those became really popular. People wanted
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Speaker 1: to know how they could travel. We had people coming
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Speaker 1: from New York. We had people coming off the airplane
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Speaker 1: coming straight to moon juice and how can I take
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Speaker 1: this home with me? So I really put the blends together.
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Speaker 1: I worked with an arbalist, a master herbalist. But we
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Speaker 1: put these blends together, and I thought about the five
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Speaker 1: most important things. Sex is one of them.
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Speaker 2: I'm there with you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, these so these five formulas really do cover.
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Speaker 2: Your life.
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Speaker 1: Put the formulas together, put them in little jars. They
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Speaker 1: started flying off the shelf. We then had celebrities start
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Speaker 1: to use them and promote them organically. The press caught
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Speaker 1: onto that, and you know, that really changed the company
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Speaker 1: a lot, all of a sudden. I was no longer
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Speaker 1: at this point. I was two juice shops and a commissary,
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Speaker 1: and we made food and had an apothecary in store.
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Speaker 1: But we certainly were not a CpG company, right, And
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Speaker 1: these dusts, you know, kind of like accidentally put us
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Speaker 1: into the CpG market and we've and we've grown a
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Speaker 1: lot from there. You know, that was seven years ago, right, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think I read that.
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Speaker 3: And this could be an outdated statistic, but Moon Juice
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Speaker 3: does twenty million in revenue annually.
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Speaker 1: That is, you know, we haven't actually ever officially come
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Speaker 1: out with our salves, so maybe that was someone's guestimate,
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Speaker 1: someone's guestimate. I think the last estimay or article. The
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Speaker 1: last estimate I saw was fifty.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's a little bit more, but I'm not
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Speaker 2: telling which one it is. Let's go with the excitingly
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Speaker 2: large estimate. Okay.
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Speaker 3: So obviously, as you mentioned, people were like, what is
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Speaker 3: she doing? Maybe she's going to end up on the street.
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Speaker 3: You had to have a severe passion for what you
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Speaker 3: were creating to kind of go, for lack of better term,
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Speaker 3: like balls to the wall. Yeah, with moon Juice, and
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Speaker 3: that probably came from, you know, growing up. So tell
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Speaker 3: me a little bit about where you grew up and
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Speaker 3: what life was like for you from a young age.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think that, Well, it really with
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Speaker 1: any startup, with any against all odd kind of story,
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Speaker 1: with any story where you really are like truly going
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Speaker 1: in and disrupting on the level of everyone, including your mother.
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Speaker 1: Not completely my I think my mother was like silently
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Speaker 1: worried for me, but so supportive and I couldn't have
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Speaker 1: done it without her. But when everyone thinks this is
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Speaker 1: just nuts and it's not going to work, there has
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Speaker 1: to be some deep conviction on a soul level. It's
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Speaker 1: mission based where you have to do this or you
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Speaker 1: cannot live kind of story, and that was definitely where
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Speaker 1: it came from. You know, I have lived with so
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Speaker 1: many odd physical emotional things throughout my life, so allergies
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Speaker 1: and food allergies and seasonal allergies and chronic sinus. I
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like any weird little thing that
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Speaker 1: could happen with the body. I've always lived with some
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Speaker 1: version of that. And then emotionally, you know, and I
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Speaker 1: truly believe now if you are in emotional distress, discomfort, disconnection,
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Speaker 1: that will show up in your body. You really cannot
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Speaker 1: separate the two. And you know, I grew up in
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Speaker 1: New York in the eighties and it was certainly a
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Speaker 1: different world there. Definitely wasn't almond milk.
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Speaker 2: A world without.
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Speaker 1: You know, and that the mind, body, spirit functional medicine
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Speaker 1: had not hit the streets of New York. And so,
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Speaker 1: you know, I really do look back at my life
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Speaker 1: and I look at the medical system, I look at
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Speaker 1: the educational system, I look at the.
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Speaker 2: Societal values at the time.
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Speaker 1: I look back at even my familial system that I
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Speaker 1: grew up in, and none of that was working for me.
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Speaker 1: And I do think that I'm sensitive. I think I
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Speaker 1: have a sensitive constitution and I would say both mentally
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Speaker 1: and physically, and sensitive doesn't mean week.
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Speaker 2: I also do.
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Speaker 1: Believe I'm very strong, strong and sensitive strong insensitive two
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Speaker 1: descriptors though. So yeah, I've lived life through this filter
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Speaker 1: of a lot of things not working for me.
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Speaker 3: When did you first notice that something was up with you?
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Speaker 1: You know? It was my parents really noticed something was
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Speaker 1: wrong with chronic bronchial issues, and so my mom took
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Speaker 1: me to see an ariavedic practitioner, and that was the
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Speaker 1: only thing that worked for me after seeing many an
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Speaker 1: allopathic doctor, many many a prescription med many an antibiotic.
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Speaker 1: So that was my foray into more of this functional medicine.
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Speaker 1: Food is medicine, So you know, I do have this
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Speaker 1: very particular constitution. But I also had an early age
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Speaker 1: an example of something that was basic, simple in my
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Speaker 1: control and something that worked. You know, from age five on,
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Speaker 1: I've never been able to see food as something that
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Speaker 1: isn't medicinal.
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Speaker 3: Wow, which is so intense because at age five, so
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Speaker 3: many kids are like eating Kraft mac and cheese and
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Speaker 3: looking forward to grabbing a burger from the McDonalds down
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Speaker 3: the block, and you are actually hyper aware at age
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Speaker 3: five of what you're putting into your body.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yep.
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Speaker 1: And I have a lot of memories of you know,
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Speaker 1: my parents really put it into my own hands. It
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Speaker 1: was like, here's the deal. When you go out into
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Speaker 1: the world and we're not there, you have to advocate
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Speaker 1: for yourself. And I'm five, I'm six, I'm you know, seven,
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Speaker 1: whatever it is, and experimenting with it and going to
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Speaker 1: sleepovers and having cereal with milk in the morning when
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Speaker 1: my parents weren't there to see just to like to
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Speaker 1: see if I could sneak it in. Yeah, going to
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Speaker 1: a pizza party having like sneaking one bite of ice
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Speaker 1: cream cake, and just not being able to breathe at night.
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Speaker 1: And so that lesson of what goes in truly, truly,
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Speaker 1: truly does affect and we can't hide from it. It's
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Speaker 1: a pretty heavy lesson to take in at five, Like
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Speaker 1: usually we wait until we're twenty five totally to come
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Speaker 1: up against that reality.
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Speaker 3: But the thing about that is these days, as you know,
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Speaker 3: like creating a major company that creates a lot of
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Speaker 3: really wonderful things that we should be putting into our body.
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Speaker 3: There are a lot of options. But when you're growing
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Speaker 3: up and you're realizing that you have all these issues,
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Speaker 3: like those options are not in existence yet, I mean
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Speaker 3: barely so now you must have been dramatically restrictive about
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Speaker 3: what you could eat.
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Speaker 2: Period. Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 1: It was a grim scene. It's like, you know, health
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Speaker 1: food stores. There was a few in each town. Like
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Speaker 1: there's a very particular smell to health food stores of
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Speaker 1: the eighties. Let me take you there. It's a dusty
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Speaker 1: bulk bin, it's a dirty juice machine. It's wheat, grass
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Speaker 1: and carrots. It's pretty gross. But we lived in New
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Speaker 1: York City and there was some stuff we could check out.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think about what was health food back then.
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Speaker 2: Pretty gross.
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of corn and soy, which you know
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Speaker 1: I always say to my children and think to them
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Speaker 1: like I apologize for any of the strange health trends
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Speaker 1: that I think are good for us now that in
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Speaker 1: twenty thirty years we look back on and it's like oof,
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Speaker 1: corn and soy. I think it could have gone two ways.
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Speaker 1: In one way, I think it could have given me
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Speaker 1: a lot of fear around food to potentially an eating disorder,
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Speaker 1: or thrust me into this exploratory, exciting realm, which is
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Speaker 1: really what it became. And you know, trying out things
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Speaker 1: like I see kids having cereal it seems like a
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Speaker 1: moment everyone should have, and the more like I don't
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Speaker 1: want to miss out on this, and so trying to
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Speaker 1: put some weird it was like an Aztec crunch without
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Speaker 1: wheat into a bowl with apple juice, just like have
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Speaker 1: the experience.
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Speaker 2: You know, how did that go for you?
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Speaker 1: I don't think I loved it, but I was so
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Speaker 1: happy to partake, of course, of course, No, I mean
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Speaker 1: I totally understand.
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Speaker 3: So you so you're experimenting with these kind of odd combinations,
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Speaker 3: and then you're also like coming of age a little bit.
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Speaker 3: So what does coming of age in New York City
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Speaker 3: as a teenager? What does that look like for you?
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Speaker 1: You know that that was maybe my darkest hour. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: to be honest, it was the early nineties, mid nineties.
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Speaker 1: There are a lot of drugs. What area of New
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Speaker 1: York are you in? I was in Chelsea, Okay, yes,
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Speaker 1: where my office is. Oh it's changed a lot, It's
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Speaker 1: I'm sure want Yeah. Yeah, that you know was probably
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Speaker 1: the most painful part of my life. It's actually also
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Speaker 1: in my astrological chart. Oh was that really was going
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Speaker 1: to be the darkest part of my life, so you
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Speaker 1: know what made it. Took it in early and got of,
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Speaker 1: you know, moved on quickly again. I really didn't resonate
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Speaker 1: with the educational system. I really didn't resonate with society
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Speaker 1: in Manhattan in the nineties, if you can remember, this
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Speaker 1: was like there was a lot of pre materialistic the
20:32
Speaker 1: fashion industry was at its height, like a certain era
20:36
Speaker 1: of hip hop was really at its height. It's a
20:40
Speaker 1: strange time to be an outspoken woman, you know, if
20:46
Speaker 1: you think about the way we look at being a
20:48
Speaker 1: woman now and what is and is not okay just
20:52
Speaker 1: in this last year. Yeah, and then you compare that
20:55
Speaker 1: to the nineties. The beauty industry was very strange to me.
21:01
Speaker 1: You know, all of these messages pumped out via fashion, fashion,
21:07
Speaker 1: beauty magazines, teenage magazines. I really didn't resonate with any
21:11
Speaker 1: of it seemed awful to me. I was put into
21:15
Speaker 1: the pharmaceutical circuit that certainly didn't resonate with me physically, mentally, emotionally.
21:24
Speaker 2: When you say you were put in what does that
21:26
Speaker 2: mean necessarily?
21:27
Speaker 1: Well, you know, just I can go back and look
21:30
Speaker 1: now and hindsight is really twenty twenty. But I can
21:33
Speaker 1: go back and look at Wow, with all the antibiotics
21:36
Speaker 1: that I was put on, it clearly had a microbiome
21:42
Speaker 1: issue which festered, which turned into sinus infections, which turned
21:48
Speaker 1: into feelings of anxiety and potentially depression. I can look
21:52
Speaker 1: at all the other aspects of my life and see
21:56
Speaker 1: how that really wasn't working for me. And I can
21:58
Speaker 1: look at like just simply being a teenager and those
22:01
Speaker 1: hormones and how that's dealt with.
22:04
Speaker 2: It's just so.
22:05
Speaker 1: Clear to me what went wrong. And you know, at
22:09
Speaker 1: this point in time, the answer was go to a
22:12
Speaker 1: psychiatrist and get on a cocktail of mets. It was
22:17
Speaker 1: like the thing to do.
22:19
Speaker 2: So what's the med cocktail?
22:21
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, there were many many medical cocktails
22:24
Speaker 1: that I don't remember, but really toxic stuff that didn't
22:28
Speaker 1: make me feel better, made me feel worse, made me
22:31
Speaker 1: feel horrible in my body. I think contributed to, you know,
22:37
Speaker 1: autoimmune stuff that came up for me later in life.
22:41
Speaker 1: So I really didn't resonate with that. No, boy, now, no,
22:45
Speaker 1: So how do we get out of the fog? I
22:47
Speaker 1: took the path of not going to university. It seemed
22:51
Speaker 1: like I need to just straighten out life and feeling
22:56
Speaker 1: okay and feeling whole and truly. When I left High
22:59
Speaker 1: schoo my one goal in life was I just want
23:02
Speaker 1: to be happy, which, again, you know, I think that
23:05
Speaker 1: sounds perfectly healthy. And for any of my children or
23:08
Speaker 1: friend's children, or to hear anyone say that, I'd be like, great,
23:12
Speaker 1: that sounds wonderful. What an incredible goal. Let's support you.
23:15
Speaker 1: Let's explore coming out of a New York prep school. Hey,
23:19
Speaker 1: I just want to be happy. I don't want to
23:21
Speaker 1: plug into this system any more. You know, your failure, Yeah,
23:25
Speaker 1: and a freak. And you know you should really try
23:28
Speaker 1: to get into an Ivy League school and go figure
23:31
Speaker 1: out how you're going to make money.
23:33
Speaker 2: How'd your parents feel about that? My mom was really supportive.
23:37
Speaker 3: Which is really beautiful because your mom was also very successful. Yeah,
23:41
Speaker 3: a good role model. I do the CEO of Betsy
23:45
Speaker 3: Johnson when you were growing up?
23:46
Speaker 2: Right?
23:47
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, crazy, m hmm, yeah I am. The more
23:52
Speaker 1: time that goes on, the more I can really appreciate
23:56
Speaker 1: my mom and see the ways that she did support me.
23:59
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, my mom is perhaps not
24:06
Speaker 1: very vocal and communicative in her love and support but
24:12
Speaker 1: as I as I go back and look at all
24:15
Speaker 1: of the ways and difficult points in life when she
24:17
Speaker 1: has silently used her actions rather than her words, I
24:23
Speaker 1: really see that so such a powerful lesson. Yeah, she
24:27
Speaker 1: was supportive again, maybe maybe concerned what parent wouldn't.
24:33
Speaker 2: Be, what parent wouldn't be?
24:35
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like you can be supportive and concerned, concerned.
24:38
Speaker 3: What was the comparison before you said sensitive but strong?
24:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, sensitive but strong. That's my it's my profile, long
24:45
Speaker 1: walks on the beach, sensitive and strong.
24:47
Speaker 2: I'm changing mind right after we get.
24:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was. She was silently supportive and let me
24:53
Speaker 1: go do my thing. I'm so grateful for that because
24:57
Speaker 1: I think, had I pushed myself into a peg another
25:03
Speaker 1: you know, I guess I'm the peg pushing myself into
25:05
Speaker 1: another hole that I just don't fit into a cog.
25:09
Speaker 1: That system was not working for me, and I think
25:12
Speaker 1: that twenty years later, the system is really not working
25:16
Speaker 1: for many people, whether it's medical, educational, societal. You know,
25:25
Speaker 1: look at the mental health issues we are having. It's
25:28
Speaker 1: an epidemic. Not much is working right that has been established.
25:34
Speaker 1: So where does the quest for happiness bring you? The
25:40
Speaker 1: quest for happiness brought me into my physical body first,
25:47
Speaker 1: you know, I think it had me traveling around the
25:50
Speaker 1: world looking for some experience or location that would deliver
26:00
Speaker 1: me some peace of mind and security. And really what
26:04
Speaker 1: I eventually got to is that I need to get
26:06
Speaker 1: into my body and start to sort this out on
26:11
Speaker 1: a cellular level. And so that healing journey really started
26:16
Speaker 1: as physical, hyper focused on the physical, which I think
26:20
Speaker 1: a lot of us actually have to do if you're
26:22
Speaker 1: having acute physical symptoms, right, and.
26:29
Speaker 3: Then physically like your person, you start traveling a little bit.
26:34
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so where are we off to.
26:37
Speaker 1: I lived in Italy for some time and did traveling
26:43
Speaker 1: and did some schooling there. I lived in New Zealand
26:48
Speaker 1: and I actually thought that I wanted to be a teacher,
26:51
Speaker 1: and so I spent time teaching kindergarten. Well that's pretty special. Yeah.
26:59
Speaker 1: I owned up living in Argentina for some years and
27:05
Speaker 1: from there was working on a hotel and restaurant project
27:10
Speaker 1: that never came to fruition, but what it did do
27:14
Speaker 1: was direct me to really figuring out how to work
27:19
Speaker 1: with food and this it has been years of traveling
27:22
Speaker 1: really seeing hey, I'm tuning into these traditional foods, peasant foods,
27:30
Speaker 1: herbal medicine, of wherever I was, and that really being
27:37
Speaker 1: a joyful place for me.
27:39
Speaker 3: It's really special to me when I hear you talk
27:42
Speaker 3: so passionately about food because of what you said about
27:45
Speaker 3: how it could have gone one of two ways, and
27:47
Speaker 3: how you could have despised foods because of all that
27:51
Speaker 3: you had restricted versus having like a very deep appreciation
27:55
Speaker 3: for food. Yes, were you preparing things in a different
28:00
Speaker 3: way or just experimenting And that's kind of what you
28:03
Speaker 3: would say or credit inspired you to go down this path.
28:07
Speaker 1: You know, I think I actually was born with a
28:10
Speaker 1: love of it. You know, my husband's a musician, you
28:13
Speaker 1: know that he's living in his ears, and for me,
28:17
Speaker 1: I think I have always lived in in my nose
28:22
Speaker 1: and my mouth. You know that is really I can
28:25
Speaker 1: remember early on just profound memories and you know, sent
28:31
Speaker 1: being so evocative as a child, like wow, that was
28:35
Speaker 1: the most incredible and powerful experience to smell something that
28:41
Speaker 1: would take me to another land, to another place, to
28:45
Speaker 1: another lifetime. I don't know, you know, really be moved
28:48
Speaker 1: by that. I see some people that are just so
28:50
Speaker 1: visual and living through that. So I think I was
28:55
Speaker 1: born with that as my dominant power and yeah, situationally.
29:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean eventually this inspires you to come
29:07
Speaker 3: back and go to culinary school.
29:09
Speaker 2: Yeah.
29:09
Speaker 1: So I went to a culinary school in Vermont that
29:13
Speaker 1: was dealing with not just the preparation with food, but
29:16
Speaker 1: really food politics. This school in particular, could really speak
29:21
Speaker 1: to seasonality. This was pre farm to table movement, so
29:25
Speaker 1: really getting into some of that. This was a time
29:28
Speaker 1: when Americans didn't know that tomatoes had a season, and
29:31
Speaker 1: so this was really a place where I could go
29:35
Speaker 1: speak to you know, coming from Italy, coming from Argentina,
29:39
Speaker 1: coming from other places in the world where seasonality was undeniable,
29:44
Speaker 1: and still in the culture that just was not in America.
29:49
Speaker 1: We didn't go to farmers' markets too. I mean, now
29:52
Speaker 1: it's ever. You know, this is like almond milk at
29:56
Speaker 1: this point, the same exact thing, the same exact thing.
30:00
Speaker 1: You know, where does your food come from? Seasonality, all
30:03
Speaker 1: of that, you know that was not nobody knew who
30:07
Speaker 1: else waters was at this point, So really getting into
30:10
Speaker 1: that culture going A lot of my classes were on
30:15
Speaker 1: food politics, and they were interested in putting chefs out
30:20
Speaker 1: into the world that were really going to advocate for
30:23
Speaker 1: the environment for small farms in America, So that was
30:26
Speaker 1: important to me. So you loved culinary school, It sounds
30:30
Speaker 1: like I don't know if I loved it. I loved
30:32
Speaker 1: being in Vermont. It was the winter time. I didn't
30:37
Speaker 1: have a license because I was a New Yorker and
30:39
Speaker 1: had just lived in all these cities and then lived
30:42
Speaker 1: in South America where I just drove and didn't have
30:44
Speaker 1: a license, and who cares out on the pampas.
30:48
Speaker 2: Why not?
30:50
Speaker 1: I didn't have a license in Vermont or a car.
30:55
Speaker 1: And I got these high tech snow shoes. What does
30:58
Speaker 1: that even mean? When you think snowshoes, you think like
31:01
Speaker 1: sinew tied around. Would they look great like hanging on
31:06
Speaker 1: a wall in a cabin?
31:07
Speaker 2: Oh?
31:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know these were high techs so I think
31:10
Speaker 1: they were made out of titanium, and I don't know.
31:13
Speaker 1: It was really cool. I actually I'm like ready to
31:15
Speaker 1: go back.
31:15
Speaker 2: To that place.
31:16
Speaker 1: So I had these snow shoes and it actually it
31:19
Speaker 1: allows you to walk in the snow very quickly.
31:24
Speaker 3: I love it. Yeah, what a fun way to be active.
31:27
Speaker 3: I know, when you don't have a car, you just
31:30
Speaker 3: need to figure out how to snowshoe everywhere.
31:33
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I had those snowshoes, and I lived in
31:35
Speaker 1: a little town and I would, you know, hit your
31:39
Speaker 1: ride later during the day with friends that could get
31:42
Speaker 1: me to classroom in the campus was spread out, but
31:46
Speaker 1: I was also working in a bakery very very very
31:48
Speaker 1: early in the morning, and so it was it was
31:51
Speaker 1: an incredible time in life that winter. I would get
31:55
Speaker 1: up and it would be dark, and I'd put snowshoes on,
32:00
Speaker 1: have like my little.
32:04
Speaker 2: Baker outfit on underneath the park so she yeah, and
32:12
Speaker 2: like head on.
32:12
Speaker 1: In, yeah, and snow shoe off, like you know. Through
32:17
Speaker 1: I'd go off roading and get to town the short
32:21
Speaker 1: way and the sun would just be coming up as
32:23
Speaker 1: I got into the bakery. It's incredible. Sounds idyllic, yeah, perfect,
32:27
Speaker 1: it was. I would never want to leave this existence
32:31
Speaker 1: and then where does and then where does life take you?
32:33
Speaker 1: I didn't actually graduate. I left early, and I was like,
32:36
Speaker 1: I think I got I think I got it. I
32:38
Speaker 1: know how to use a knife. Let me go find
32:42
Speaker 1: a chef. I want to work for amazing. So I
32:44
Speaker 1: found Susan going in Los Angeles, and I really my
32:48
Speaker 1: choice to go, my decision to go work with her
32:54
Speaker 1: was really based upon the fact that she was still
32:55
Speaker 1: in the kitchen. And you know, Alice Waters is such
32:59
Speaker 1: a hero, incredible mentor, but not actually physically still in
33:03
Speaker 1: the kitchen. So I went and worked with Suzanne. It
33:06
Speaker 1: was incredible. How did you make that happen?
33:09
Speaker 2: I emailed her. I love it.
33:11
Speaker 3: This is actually one of the questions that I love
33:14
Speaker 3: people asking me. So say someone sees that I've sat
33:19
Speaker 3: down with you and they're like, how did you sit
33:20
Speaker 3: down with Amanda? And I'm just like I asked. And
33:24
Speaker 3: I think sometimes it's like so many people are just
33:27
Speaker 3: afraid to ask for what it is that they want
33:29
Speaker 3: because of whatever I don't know, walls that we sell,
33:32
Speaker 3: however we self limit ourselves or whatever it is that
33:35
Speaker 3: we do. And I think that's been probably one of
33:38
Speaker 3: my biggest lessons as an entrepreneur myself, is just ask
33:41
Speaker 3: for what it is that you want, get in touch,
33:43
Speaker 3: do it.
33:44
Speaker 1: If you get ignored, who cares knock on the next
33:46
Speaker 1: door exactly. I spend actually a lot of my time,
33:51
Speaker 1: not a lot of my time, I mean real here,
33:55
Speaker 1: I spend time in my DMS talking with people that
34:00
Speaker 1: I don't know and they're asking me questions about health
34:05
Speaker 1: or you know, birth work, or how to use the
34:08
Speaker 1: products or where is that.
34:12
Speaker 2: Like bowl from? So I spend more questions.
34:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do spend a percentage of my time answering questions.
34:21
Speaker 1: And I don't know who these people are. And then
34:23
Speaker 1: sometimes people reach out and they want to do a
34:25
Speaker 1: collaboration or there's a podcast or I'm a student and
34:29
Speaker 1: I'm doing X y Z, And like most times I
34:33
Speaker 1: try to answer people that get in touch. It's karma
34:36
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of the time as well.
34:37
Speaker 3: I feel like when you are living a life where
34:40
Speaker 3: you're willing to give to other people, then you're also
34:44
Speaker 3: very open to receiving the good things that are coming
34:46
Speaker 3: back to you.
34:46
Speaker 1: And I just think that, you know, there's some magic
34:49
Speaker 1: in that. There is, and most of my life has
34:52
Speaker 1: been lived just reaching out. So it was an email
34:59
Speaker 1: and she got right back to me. She must so
35:01
Speaker 1: she'd do you know, the office was right off the kitchen,
35:04
Speaker 1: so she just hopped in saw the email. I was
35:08
Speaker 1: so green, I had never worked in kitchens. That she'd
35:10
Speaker 1: just wanted James Beard Award, so there was really no
35:14
Speaker 1: reason in the world she needed to let me in.
35:17
Speaker 1: But she said if you can fly out and be
35:20
Speaker 1: here on this day, you can do a stage, which
35:22
Speaker 1: is you go into a kitchen you work for the evening,
35:25
Speaker 1: they assess you and see if they would let you in.
35:29
Speaker 1: And to get a stage in itself is a difficult
35:32
Speaker 1: thing in the culinary world. It's not like a job interview.
35:35
Speaker 1: It really takes a lot to get a stranger into
35:39
Speaker 1: a small kitchen during working hours.
35:41
Speaker 2: And had you ever done anything like that before? No? Wow, No.
35:46
Speaker 1: And so I flew out to La again. I had
35:48
Speaker 1: no license, and so I stayed at the It's so weird,
35:53
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen years later, like I live here now
35:56
Speaker 1: and all of your little lifetimes that you can drive
35:59
Speaker 1: by and see. So I stayed at the SLS Hotel,
36:02
Speaker 1: which the only reason I could stay there, I think,
36:05
Speaker 1: was like forty five dollars a night because they were
36:06
Speaker 1: under construction perfect and it was maybe not the SLS
36:10
Speaker 1: Hotel yet it was becoming that, okay. So I stayed
36:14
Speaker 1: in this room that was really fancy, like some sexy,
36:19
Speaker 1: fancy room that I could not believe I was in
36:22
Speaker 1: for forty five dollars. But the whole hotel was under construction,
36:26
Speaker 1: and I was able to walk to Luke the restaurant. Again,
36:30
Speaker 1: this was pre smartphone, so it was like I had
36:33
Speaker 1: printed out a million map quest walking directions when I
36:38
Speaker 1: was in Vermont at like the Culinary School library, and
36:42
Speaker 1: flew to La with them and arrived an hour early,
36:48
Speaker 1: praying that nobody would see me like behind the hedges,
36:52
Speaker 1: arriving so early, but I just didn't want to be
36:54
Speaker 1: lost earlate, right, And I was so nervous.
36:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, so how does it go?
37:02
Speaker 1: I messed everything up that I touched, But I think
37:06
Speaker 1: they could see in me like the spirit to work hard.
37:11
Speaker 1: And I think on that night, I don't know if
37:13
Speaker 1: it was that night or when I first arrived, Like
37:15
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time cleaning, and I realized, like, Okay,
37:20
Speaker 1: I do mess everything up that I touch, but I
37:24
Speaker 1: can clean right clean for something, for something, I can
37:27
Speaker 1: clean the grease trap that nobody wants to clean. And
37:31
Speaker 1: so I really spent a lot of my early days
37:36
Speaker 1: there nervous, messing up expensive fruits and vegetables by not
37:43
Speaker 1: cutting them correctly, feeling so embarrassed, but really trying hard
37:50
Speaker 1: to learn, and then making up for it by just
37:53
Speaker 1: like cleaning and staying there and working and cleaning and
37:57
Speaker 1: helping when everybody else would leave. And so there's something
38:01
Speaker 1: to that. And when I hire people today, I am
38:04
Speaker 1: way less interested in your resume and I'm way more
38:08
Speaker 1: interested in your spirit and your common sense and your
38:12
Speaker 1: kindness and your hustle. Yeah, I mean one important lesson
38:15
Speaker 1: to learn right off that, like right off the bat,
38:18
Speaker 1: so young in your career, is just you being on
38:21
Speaker 1: the other side of this, yes, and feeling so much anxiety,
38:25
Speaker 1: so stressed, knowing in your guts so badly that this
38:28
Speaker 1: is what you want to be doing, and for them
38:30
Speaker 1: to treat you with that kindness, yes, well forever lesson. Yeah,
38:34
Speaker 1: I mean it was also a kitchen. Culinary world is
38:37
Speaker 1: like pretty hard knocks. Yeah, so I think like under
38:41
Speaker 1: underneath all the tests and trials and yes, there was
38:46
Speaker 1: a kindness they were letting me be there. And then
38:48
Speaker 1: where does it take you from there? I worked there
38:52
Speaker 1: for a while, I worked at some of the other
38:55
Speaker 1: restaurants in the restaurant crew. I worked at some other
38:57
Speaker 1: restaurants in Los Angeles. I helped open something up, and
39:01
Speaker 1: throughout all of this I was getting deeper and deeper
39:05
Speaker 1: into my own healing. I had an autoimmune condition that
39:10
Speaker 1: I didn't know I had. I couldn't figure out what
39:13
Speaker 1: was wrong with me. So, you know, I'm working long nights,
39:17
Speaker 1: cooking in kitchens, running running lines. It's a wild world.
39:24
Speaker 1: But I was in there doing that, and by day,
39:27
Speaker 1: you know, I had this split life. There weren't many
39:30
Speaker 1: hours in my day because truly, you know, i'd sleep
39:33
Speaker 1: till noon because I wouldn't go to sleep until four
39:36
Speaker 1: or five in the morning, and then I'd have to
39:40
Speaker 1: be at work again by two. So I didn't really
39:42
Speaker 1: didn't have much of a life outside of work. But
39:45
Speaker 1: in those few hours really trying to heal myself of
39:50
Speaker 1: what I now know was you know, immune system stuff
39:54
Speaker 1: and autoimmune stuff, and so I kept juice cleansing. Yeah,
40:01
Speaker 1: and that would seemed to be the only thing that
40:04
Speaker 1: would really help me. I became really intrigued by this.
40:11
Speaker 1: Oh I had a stint also, so you know, I
40:13
Speaker 1: felt like I wanted to get out of the kitchens
40:15
Speaker 1: because it really had been years of not being able
40:19
Speaker 1: to sleep, not being able to see the light of day.
40:25
Speaker 1: Something was going wrong with my health again, and I
40:28
Speaker 1: felt like, oh, I've actually got it. I have to
40:31
Speaker 1: go back to that time where I get in my body. Yeah,
40:35
Speaker 1: I got to figure this out again. Things are feeling
40:37
Speaker 1: way off. So I took a job as an assistant
40:41
Speaker 1: the assistant food and wine editor for the La Times magazine,
40:46
Speaker 1: which was short lived. It was like their version of
40:49
Speaker 1: Tea magazine, right. It was pretty glorious for the first
40:53
Speaker 1: year that it was out. They brought a great editorial
40:55
Speaker 1: team from New York and so I was really excited
40:58
Speaker 1: by it.
40:59
Speaker 3: What a fun like career pivot that's still in your
41:02
Speaker 3: area of expertise. Yes, yeah, did you really like writing
41:06
Speaker 3: at the time?
41:07
Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved it. I couldn't believe it.
41:11
Speaker 1: I was given free reign to write these stories doing
41:15
Speaker 1: editorial work, and that gave me some light of day
41:20
Speaker 1: and some normalcy. And I could begin to have a
41:23
Speaker 1: community that existed during normal waking hours. I could get
41:28
Speaker 1: my circadian rhythms back online. I could begin to tap
41:34
Speaker 1: into some of these practitioners that could help me figure
41:38
Speaker 1: out what was happening with the body. So that really
41:40
Speaker 1: became I would say that that is when I truly
41:45
Speaker 1: turned my healing into a lifestyle. I really hit a
41:48
Speaker 1: moment where it was like, you know, first I was
41:50
Speaker 1: bummed out man, this.
41:53
Speaker 2: Is so annoying. I'm sick again. What is this?
41:58
Speaker 1: Why is this so elusive? I can't figure out what's
42:00
Speaker 1: wrong with me. I'm going to you know, kind of
42:04
Speaker 1: like holistic allopathic doctors. They can't even figure out what's
42:09
Speaker 1: wrong with me. Or they want to put me on
42:11
Speaker 1: synthetic medications and tell me I have to take them
42:15
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life and that's all I
42:18
Speaker 1: can do. So in my early twenties, I really did
42:20
Speaker 1: hit a point of this doesn't feel right, and again
42:25
Speaker 1: it was going back to this system's not working for me.
42:30
Speaker 1: Like I hear these doctors in California that are kind
42:33
Speaker 1: of holistic and there's like a Buddha in their office
42:36
Speaker 1: and like a plug in fountain and like, you know,
42:40
Speaker 1: I don't know, they've got essential oils and they say
42:43
Speaker 1: that they're like an East meets West doctor, right, But
42:47
Speaker 1: the answers that they're giving me don't feel right and
42:51
Speaker 1: they're not getting to the heart of the issue. And
42:55
Speaker 1: I need to figure out what is happening to me.
42:58
Speaker 1: And I need to figure out why this is happening
43:01
Speaker 1: again and why truly I keep coming back to this
43:04
Speaker 1: place in my life. I don't want to live my
43:06
Speaker 1: life like this, right, which is an important realization. Yes,
43:12
Speaker 1: and I was still young, you know, I was still
43:14
Speaker 1: in my early twenties and then dealing with things like
43:21
Speaker 1: not really struggling to have a normal menstrual cycle. I
43:27
Speaker 1: should be at the height of my fertility. That really
43:29
Speaker 1: shouldn't be an issue, you know, sleep cycles, feeling feeling good,
43:36
Speaker 1: feeling healthy in my body, looking in the mirror and
43:39
Speaker 1: seeing someone with a face and a body that felt
43:44
Speaker 1: healthy and normal and where I should be, and that
43:48
Speaker 1: I was not having that experience. So I hop back
43:51
Speaker 1: in my body and prioritize figuring out what was happening,
43:57
Speaker 1: and that really set me on my way, like I've
43:59
Speaker 1: got I've got to actually figure myself out. And when
44:02
Speaker 1: I started to figure myself out, it was not one
44:06
Speaker 1: magic doctor, one magic potion, one magic book that I read.
44:12
Speaker 1: It was stopping and embracing what was happening and really
44:17
Speaker 1: just saying, Okay, I'm going to get down with this.
44:20
Speaker 1: I'm gonna this is going to be exciting. I'm gonna
44:22
Speaker 1: get curious.
44:23
Speaker 3: Sarah Levy from Y seven Studio, she said something really
44:27
Speaker 3: powerful when we recorded two years ago. Now, she said
44:31
Speaker 3: she always comes back to this idea that this is
44:33
Speaker 3: how it is now and it's never going to be
44:35
Speaker 3: how it was five minutes ago, and it's going to
44:37
Speaker 3: be different five minutes from this moment. But all I
44:39
Speaker 3: can do is deal with things as they are right
44:42
Speaker 3: now and move forward.
44:43
Speaker 2: Yes.
44:44
Speaker 3: I read something the other day it's like, if you
44:46
Speaker 3: keep reading the last chapter, then you can never turn
44:49
Speaker 3: the page to the next one. Yes, So I mean
44:52
Speaker 3: it's really powerful that you were able to take that
44:55
Speaker 3: agency for yourself.
44:57
Speaker 2: Yes.
44:57
Speaker 1: Well, and I think just acceptance. When we're in the
45:02
Speaker 1: place of fighting, denying, and regretting what our current circumstances are,
45:11
Speaker 1: there's no place to move forward and you're locked in
45:15
Speaker 1: this prison of not accepting what is right. And I
45:22
Speaker 1: think that that is what turns into stress, that is
45:25
Speaker 1: what turns into turmoil, that is what turns into you
45:29
Speaker 1: know what people would deem failure. That is what turns
45:32
Speaker 1: into cancer that you know at the heart of it.
45:35
Speaker 1: So I really do try to bring the radical acceptance
45:38
Speaker 1: to all that is. And if you can do that,
45:41
Speaker 1: it makes life so much easier.
45:49
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Speaker 3: So then, where does this radical acceptance get you with
46:50
Speaker 3: your health?
46:51
Speaker 1: Well, I think now it's easy to like sit on
46:52
Speaker 1: a couch and pigtails on a sunny day like a
46:55
Speaker 1: feeling healthy. Calling it a radical acceptance, I think at
46:59
Speaker 1: the time it was scary, it was frustrating. I couldn't
47:03
Speaker 1: afford all of the help that I wanted. I was
47:06
Speaker 1: super stressed about it, and so it was not a
47:08
Speaker 1: radical acceptance moment at the time. I can look back
47:11
Speaker 1: and say, yes, I accepted it. I accepted it as
47:15
Speaker 1: a priority and I didn't know where life was going
47:20
Speaker 1: to take me by prioritizing my physical health. And my
47:24
Speaker 1: fear was that it was weak. It was a weak move.
47:29
Speaker 1: This was pre self care, this was pre mental health,
47:35
Speaker 1: this was pre wellness industry. So really, as a New
47:38
Speaker 1: Yorker to take a step back and say, something's not
47:42
Speaker 1: working in my life and I'm not feeling well, and
47:45
Speaker 1: I really need to figure that out before I can
47:47
Speaker 1: go hustle my career.
47:49
Speaker 3: So what are some of the first steps that you
47:51
Speaker 3: take to start giving back to yourself and try to
47:53
Speaker 3: figure it out.
47:54
Speaker 1: One of the first steps I took alongside, you know,
47:59
Speaker 1: learning about herbs, learning about acupuncture, really combining acupuncture and herbs,
48:07
Speaker 1: taking blood and hormone panels to have an idea of
48:10
Speaker 1: where I was at eliminating things from my diet. You know,
48:13
Speaker 1: I was working on that, and at the same time,
48:18
Speaker 1: I looked at some things that I was very upset
48:23
Speaker 1: about that had happened in life, and I was vocal
48:26
Speaker 1: about it, and I no longer wanted to be silent
48:32
Speaker 1: about those things, and I didn't want to be haunted
48:37
Speaker 1: by those things. What's an example of that. There was
48:40
Speaker 1: stuff that I was really upset about that had happened
48:43
Speaker 1: growing up and within my family, and it felt very
48:49
Speaker 1: painful to be in relationship with my mother and to
48:55
Speaker 1: not be able to communicate those things. It felt like
49:00
Speaker 1: it was making me sick. And so one of my
49:03
Speaker 1: first steps was to begin to talk about things that
49:07
Speaker 1: nobody wanted to talk about, and things that were really
49:11
Speaker 1: scary and painful and awful, and she didn't want to
49:15
Speaker 1: hear and I didn't want to talk about and perhaps
49:18
Speaker 1: they were not heard or accepted at that time, but
49:24
Speaker 1: I started to get into this groove of it's important
49:29
Speaker 1: for me to speak my truth, whether someone can hear
49:33
Speaker 1: it or not. And that was a critical part of
49:36
Speaker 1: the physical healing. Totally totally.
49:38
Speaker 3: And then I mean, from what you're putting into your
49:42
Speaker 3: body perspective, how is that shifting?
49:46
Speaker 1: That was radically shifting. There was no alcohol, there was
49:51
Speaker 1: no caffeine, there was no sugar, there was no dairy,
49:57
Speaker 1: there was no gluten. That combined with you know, eating
50:05
Speaker 1: lots of seaweed, eating lots of green juices, eating lots
50:10
Speaker 1: of healthy fats, That in itself was a radical change
50:18
Speaker 1: for me. Getting some optics around what was actually happening
50:23
Speaker 1: in my blood, what was actually happening in my endocrine system,
50:29
Speaker 1: what did my hormones look like? That was really the
50:31
Speaker 1: next step, And that is a step that I really
50:36
Speaker 1: really implore people to take at this point.
50:39
Speaker 2: The part I.
50:40
Speaker 1: Don't like of the wellness industry is throw a crystal
50:44
Speaker 1: on it, like lightsome sandal wood, and like make an intention.
50:51
Speaker 1: I think that all of that is wonderful if you
50:54
Speaker 1: are well. I think all of that is wonderful if
50:57
Speaker 1: you're sick too, But if you have got some real
51:00
Speaker 1: physical issues that you are not addressing, please don't ignore
51:04
Speaker 1: all of the symptoms and like get a Courts crystal
51:08
Speaker 1: and a gratitude journal and ignore what's happening. There is
51:14
Speaker 1: this deep chasm between allopathic medicine that doesn't consider the
51:20
Speaker 1: individual and circumstances and then a gratitude journal and a
51:24
Speaker 1: Court's crystal. And I think that you know, here we
51:28
Speaker 1: are in twenty twenty when we can.
51:30
Speaker 2: Really use both use everything.
51:34
Speaker 1: There's power in everything, and how can we really use
51:38
Speaker 1: everything to our advantage? Use all systems. We should be
51:42
Speaker 1: using all systems, political systems, medical systems, social systems, educational systems.
51:48
Speaker 1: But use what works for you and wake up and
51:52
Speaker 1: own your relationship to it and get in the driver's
51:56
Speaker 1: seat and don't sit there and expect any one person
51:58
Speaker 1: to fix it for you, whether it's the shaman or
52:02
Speaker 1: the neurosurgeon.
52:04
Speaker 2: Right.
52:04
Speaker 3: So, I mean obviously at some point you start to
52:07
Speaker 3: really feel better in your body. Yes, and man, that
52:12
Speaker 3: must have been amazing.
52:14
Speaker 1: Yes, it was an incredible thing. And the beauty of
52:19
Speaker 1: physical health and finding homeostasis was that I was able to,
52:24
Speaker 1: from that place of homeostasis and clarity realize that a
52:30
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that I had struggled with was
52:37
Speaker 1: being unwell. A lot of the stuff that I was
52:41
Speaker 1: afraid was my personality was actually imbalance in the body.
52:47
Speaker 1: So that was an incredible moment to find out I
52:51
Speaker 1: wasn't this super reactive, emotional kind of like difficult being
53:01
Speaker 1: that I was afraid I was.
53:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, So when does so when do all of the
53:07
Speaker 3: learnings that you have found by treating yourself and finding homeostasis.
53:13
Speaker 3: When do you have this aha moment that maybe there's
53:16
Speaker 3: something else that can come from this for other people?
53:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would.
53:21
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I was in the process of leaving
53:23
Speaker 1: a restaurant project that I had opened and feeling like, okay,
53:28
Speaker 1: I've done that. Now I'm going to open a restaurant
53:33
Speaker 1: on my own. I've got, you know, a pool of investors,
53:37
Speaker 1: and I won't have a culinary partner, and it seems
53:43
Speaker 1: so easy, and it seems so launchical, and it was
53:46
Speaker 1: the next step that everybody was so happy about, and
53:52
Speaker 1: I felt like there was something else calling, And you know,
53:57
Speaker 1: I think this is one of the greatest things have
54:00
Speaker 1: been in life, is when that obvious next step that's
54:04
Speaker 1: comfortable and set up for you and makes all the
54:07
Speaker 1: sense in the world, when you decline the invitation and
54:11
Speaker 1: you do that thing that makes no sense that keeps
54:14
Speaker 1: you up at night, that your heart is really in
54:18
Speaker 1: the thing that gives you chills and you feel that
54:24
Speaker 1: energy moving through you. That is where you should be headed,
54:27
Speaker 1: because it is that energy that will ultimately be nature
54:31
Speaker 1: supporting you. That's that's what the world wants from you,
54:35
Speaker 1: not what makes sense on paper, what moves you you
54:40
Speaker 1: will have wind in your sales.
54:42
Speaker 2: I love that. I didn't know that at the time.
54:45
Speaker 1: I didn't know again, and it's like, as we're sitting
54:47
Speaker 1: on our linen coush feeling all excited and excited and
54:52
Speaker 1: successful almost a decade later.
54:55
Speaker 3: So you feel something that might put some wind in
54:58
Speaker 3: your sales, but it's just a feeling.
55:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know the wind was coming. I wasn't
55:05
Speaker 1: feeling the wind. The wind seemed to be moving in
55:08
Speaker 1: another direction, right, but my heart was pulling me in
55:13
Speaker 1: this direction, and I didn't quite know why, but I did.
55:18
Speaker 1: At one point. I can remember sitting in a parking lot,
55:23
Speaker 1: in a parked car talking to my mom on the phone.
55:30
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, God, I know this makes no sense,
55:32
Speaker 1: but I'm feeling so pumped about my physical well being
55:39
Speaker 1: and I've worked so hard to get myself here. And
55:44
Speaker 1: the crazy thing is that it was actually so simple.
55:50
Speaker 1: And I did nothing that these endochronologists told me to do,
55:56
Speaker 1: or you know the like, even the holistic specialists. I
56:00
Speaker 1: really did stuff that anyone could do in their own kitchen.
56:04
Speaker 1: I ate seaweed. I made these smoothies with this thing
56:07
Speaker 1: called maka in it. Every day and you know that
56:11
Speaker 1: plus some other stuff. I really I watched my body change.
56:15
Speaker 1: I saw it. It was in writing. I have the
56:18
Speaker 1: blood the labs to prove it, and I was just
56:25
Speaker 1: so stoked and it really felt like I've had this
56:28
Speaker 1: incredible opportunity. And I know other people can have this
56:33
Speaker 1: experience too, they just don't know it right. I like
56:36
Speaker 1: had to do some deep diving. I mean again, like,
56:39
Speaker 1: there was no wellness industry. There was no Instagram pretty
56:43
Speaker 1: Instagram page to follow, There were not functional medicine celebrity
56:51
Speaker 1: doctors coming out to tell us about like you know,
56:55
Speaker 1: turmoric and inflammation, and it wasn't happening. So that became
57:01
Speaker 1: my mission.
57:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, so how does your mission become an actual standalone store?
57:08
Speaker 2: The first one?
57:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, it's the painful process of putting a business
57:13
Speaker 1: plan together for a model that doesn't exist. So a
57:17
Speaker 1: lot of it is projection, and you know it's a gamble. Yeah,
57:26
Speaker 1: it's a very big gamble. So yeah, I put a
57:30
Speaker 1: business plan together that was loosely based on you know,
57:37
Speaker 1: I guess.
57:37
Speaker 2: A coffee shop, but a coffee.
57:39
Speaker 1: Shop does not sell a nine dollars green juice that
57:43
Speaker 1: people may or may not want to buy. You know,
57:46
Speaker 1: there was just like so many variables.
57:49
Speaker 2: So many unknowns.
57:50
Speaker 3: But even like, I mean, it's funny that you say
57:53
Speaker 3: that people might not want to buy, because it's like
57:55
Speaker 3: the two fold way you can look at something you
57:59
Speaker 3: might buy in this place. It's one maybe I'm buying
58:02
Speaker 3: it because I like celery and green juice and all
58:07
Speaker 3: of the other beautiful ingredients that are in this very
58:09
Speaker 3: nice bottle. Or maybe I'm buying it because I feel
58:13
Speaker 3: like how you used to feel, and I know that
58:16
Speaker 3: what's in that bottle can help me. And so you
58:19
Speaker 3: get a variety of people into the door that are
58:22
Speaker 3: looking to do different things with their experience.
58:26
Speaker 2: Hope that was the hope, that was the whole reality.
58:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know if maybe it was just going
58:34
Speaker 1: to be this tiny little shop that my baby and
58:36
Speaker 1: I lived at.
58:38
Speaker 2: Which is another fun fact.
58:40
Speaker 1: I know it was fun, you know, there were good days,
58:45
Speaker 1: there were crazy days. Yeah, I didn't know if it
58:48
Speaker 1: was going to be me and a bunch of like
58:50
Speaker 1: cancer patients just trying alternative treatment. Because truly, people did
58:56
Speaker 1: not know they liked celery juice, yet that was not happening.
58:59
Speaker 1: You couldn't find an unsweetened green juice in California.
59:03
Speaker 2: I'm sure you you could go to like a juice.
59:04
Speaker 1: Bar and have one made, and I would stand in
59:07
Speaker 1: line with the best of them. And this scary part
59:10
Speaker 1: was most of the people in line with me for
59:12
Speaker 1: that unsweetened green juice. They were like one hundred and five,
59:16
Speaker 1: you know, you know, that's just what it was. Do
59:19
Speaker 1: you remember the moment that you walked into what would
59:21
Speaker 1: become your first store, Like, did you feel the vibes
59:23
Speaker 1: that you knew that it was it?
59:25
Speaker 2: Or were you just like this will do no?
59:27
Speaker 1: You know, I was living in Venice and I was
59:30
Speaker 1: riding around on my bike and looking for a location
59:34
Speaker 1: to open something, and I went on Rose Avenue, which
59:36
Speaker 1: is just so different today. There was not that building
59:41
Speaker 1: that houses Cafe Gratitude and ice cream stores, and like
59:47
Speaker 1: Rose Avenue is really online at this point, right, you know,
59:52
Speaker 1: it was vagrants there weren't There was a liquor store
59:56
Speaker 1: that was open on the block, and there was this
59:58
Speaker 1: really cute wine bar that was a few blocks away,
1:00:00
Speaker 1: but like the block again, everyone thought it was a
1:00:03
Speaker 1: pretty bad idea to open something on there because nobody
1:00:07
Speaker 1: went there, and you know, like people would get mugged
1:00:10
Speaker 1: in the morning. When I saw the shop, though, it
1:00:14
Speaker 1: was more than oh, this is fine, it'll do. I
1:00:16
Speaker 1: was like, you know, it doesn't make sense, but I
1:00:18
Speaker 1: think this is perfect. It was tiny, and it was
1:00:21
Speaker 1: an art gallery and there was a handwritten for rent sign.
1:00:25
Speaker 1: So I got a great deal on this tiny little shop.
1:00:30
Speaker 1: But I didn't anticipate the year plus I would have
1:00:33
Speaker 1: to put in of work, so you know, all new plumbing,
1:00:39
Speaker 1: it was. It was everything, everything, everything had to go
1:00:42
Speaker 1: into this little shop. And then, you know, the big
1:00:44
Speaker 1: hold up was really the Health Department not understanding what
1:00:49
Speaker 1: cold press juice was. They had never seen the machine
1:00:53
Speaker 1: that makes the juice. They couldn't they couldn't get behind it.
1:00:57
Speaker 1: So it was actually really spending a lot of time
1:01:05
Speaker 1: trying to convince the Health Department of this concept. Yeah
1:01:08
Speaker 1: but you do, but I do.
1:01:12
Speaker 2: I do.
1:01:13
Speaker 1: And in the process, you know, a week after I
1:01:16
Speaker 1: signed the lease, I found out I was pregnant.
1:01:20
Speaker 2: Jeez.
1:01:21
Speaker 1: And that was a big surprise.
1:01:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean talk about anxiety to begin with.
1:01:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a big surprise. So I went through
1:01:30
Speaker 1: being pregnant and not knowing what that future looked like,
1:01:37
Speaker 1: trying to open a shop. Because of the health department
1:01:42
Speaker 1: not understanding this new juice concept and the machinery around it.
1:01:48
Speaker 1: You know, it got pushed six plus months out. So
1:01:52
Speaker 1: my intention was to open up the shop, get it
1:01:56
Speaker 1: up and running, and then have the baby. I had
1:02:00
Speaker 1: trained everyone and like had the thing running. That's not
1:02:03
Speaker 1: how it went. The two came at the same time,
1:02:06
Speaker 1: so I wound up going in hiring staff, getting the
1:02:09
Speaker 1: place up and running with an infant, which just you know,
1:02:15
Speaker 1: I don't think I could go back and do it again.
1:02:18
Speaker 2: Talk about a lesson.
1:02:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, so you have this beautiful baby and
1:02:25
Speaker 3: you have a shop. So you have two babies at
1:02:27
Speaker 3: the same time too, Yeah, twins, twins? And how does
1:02:31
Speaker 3: it feel when the door's open?
1:02:36
Speaker 1: You know, at that point, I was just trying to
1:02:40
Speaker 1: get so many things done. Everything was done on a
1:02:43
Speaker 1: shoe string that I think that I don't know. I
1:02:49
Speaker 1: was in work modes. There never was a moment of like, wow,
1:02:53
Speaker 1: look at this, look at me. I got the doors open.
1:02:56
Speaker 1: I mean this was also I'm in my twenties, I've
1:03:02
Speaker 1: got a baby strapped to me, Like, I don't even
1:03:05
Speaker 1: know what that is about. There was just so much
1:03:10
Speaker 1: happening that I think it all was a blur.
1:03:13
Speaker 3: Can you recall the first moment where you do feel
1:03:16
Speaker 3: successful in your shop after the blur? Maybe you're still
1:03:21
Speaker 3: in the blur, but you have a moment in what
1:03:23
Speaker 3: you're like, Wow, this is really happening.
1:03:28
Speaker 1: No, I don't think I paused to do that. I
1:03:30
Speaker 1: kept going because as the shop was really a slam
1:03:36
Speaker 1: dunk lines out the door, it turned into oh my god,
1:03:40
Speaker 1: we can't keep up, which is a great problem to have.
1:03:43
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, I sign a lease on a space that
1:03:46
Speaker 1: I want to be a commissary, and I'm back in
1:03:49
Speaker 1: like all new plumbing and health department and trying to
1:03:52
Speaker 1: figure that out and opening another location to support the
1:03:55
Speaker 1: commissary that we now need to just support the first shop.
1:03:59
Speaker 1: So I would say that it's been.
1:04:04
Speaker 2: Truly.
1:04:04
Speaker 1: The only time I stopped, have stopped to say, well,
1:04:08
Speaker 1: all right, things seemed good was right before my wedding
1:04:14
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago.
1:04:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, why then I stopped?
1:04:20
Speaker 1: My husband is an incredible person, and he's such a
1:04:25
Speaker 1: healthy person and a kind person, incredible boundaries, you know,
1:04:32
Speaker 1: just this like great guy who I had known for
1:04:37
Speaker 1: a very long time, and I can even remember early
1:04:40
Speaker 1: days of Moonjuice opening him coming by Moonjuice as a
1:04:45
Speaker 1: friend to ask me some business advice, and I remember
1:04:51
Speaker 1: sitting there giving him some business advice, thinking, Wow, this
1:04:57
Speaker 1: guy is so handsome and so nice. Why don't I
1:05:03
Speaker 1: know people like that?
1:05:04
Speaker 2: Or you know, I knew him.
1:05:05
Speaker 1: But like, gosh, that's the type of guy that I
1:05:10
Speaker 1: could never be with. He would never want to be
1:05:12
Speaker 1: with someone like me. I'm just like too crazy. I'm
1:05:15
Speaker 1: all over the place. I've got a kid, I'm a
1:05:18
Speaker 1: single mom with a baby. I'm like trying to build
1:05:21
Speaker 1: out a house in Venice. I've got this crazy like
1:05:23
Speaker 1: I'm just too much, I'm all over the place. Guys
1:05:26
Speaker 1: like that just don't wind up with people like me.
1:05:30
Speaker 1: But you know what's so interesting is that we have
1:05:32
Speaker 1: all these doubts when it comes to our personal lives
1:05:34
Speaker 1: and like a situation like that. But let's then bring
1:05:36
Speaker 1: it back to the conversation that we were having before
1:05:39
Speaker 1: about us feeling bold enough and excited to ask for
1:05:42
Speaker 1: what it is that we want when it comes to
1:05:44
Speaker 1: what we're passionate about. Yeah, so why is there such
1:05:47
Speaker 1: a double standard even personally with us where we're like
1:05:50
Speaker 1: this man or this person might not I might not
1:05:52
Speaker 1: be worthy of this person, but I'm going to go
1:05:54
Speaker 1: out of my way and ask like this other human
1:05:56
Speaker 1: for something completely different, totally because I'm so passionate. Yeah,
1:06:00
Speaker 1: like we deserve our own affection like that, you know
1:06:02
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, I think I had some some
1:06:06
Speaker 1: more work to do. Let's say I had six more
1:06:09
Speaker 1: years of some subconscious clearing before I could step into
1:06:14
Speaker 1: So that for me felt like a true moment of
1:06:18
Speaker 1: success when it was like, Wow, here is a very
1:06:21
Speaker 1: healthy person that wants to marry me, that is marrying
1:06:25
Speaker 1: me today. Beautiful And I stopped and I was like, Okay,
1:06:32
Speaker 1: then that must mean I too, am a healthy, kind
1:06:38
Speaker 1: person with boundaries and.
1:06:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, how beautiful. Yeah.
1:06:46
Speaker 3: So I mean now you're married, you have one book
1:06:49
Speaker 3: with another book on the way, Yes, you have three shops, Yes,
1:06:53
Speaker 3: and moon Juice is sold so many places Sephora, Urban Outfitters, Anthropology.
1:07:00
Speaker 3: I mean the list goes on Nordstroom, not special, it's everywhere.
1:07:05
Speaker 3: Can you when I say that out loud? Are there
1:07:08
Speaker 3: days that that still doesn't feel real? Or you feel
1:07:11
Speaker 3: like you've been working so tirelessly At this point, I
1:07:14
Speaker 3: feel like at this point, I'm like, is that it
1:07:17
Speaker 3: That's all you've done?
1:07:19
Speaker 1: But that is the spirit of the entrepreneur, right It's
1:07:22
Speaker 1: it's like voracious hunger that gets you up out of
1:07:27
Speaker 1: bed and wanting to work every day.
1:07:31
Speaker 3: Obviously, there are so many things that the brand sells,
1:07:34
Speaker 3: a lot of which I am completely incapable of pronouncing.
1:07:37
Speaker 3: But for someone that is interested and maybe just kind
1:07:41
Speaker 3: of like grazing the surface of getting into to knowing
1:07:45
Speaker 3: more about these things. I mean, you talk so much,
1:07:48
Speaker 3: so highly about what so many of these ingredients have
1:07:50
Speaker 3: done for your health and what they do for the
1:07:52
Speaker 3: health of your customers right now. So for someone that's
1:07:54
Speaker 3: interested in kind of grazing the surface, what kind of
1:07:57
Speaker 3: advice would you offer to them?
1:08:01
Speaker 2: Or like, where do you even start? Where do you
1:08:02
Speaker 2: even start?
1:08:03
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, so here are my two. Because I go
1:08:08
Speaker 1: out and I talk to thousands of people, actually spend
1:08:12
Speaker 1: a fair amount of my time in Sepphorest Doores in Nordstroms.
1:08:17
Speaker 1: They have become these incredible platforms that really take me
1:08:20
Speaker 1: out of my three shops in Los Angeles, wellness events,
1:08:26
Speaker 1: speaking on panels where I'm really preaching to the choir,
1:08:29
Speaker 1: and you know, here's like five hundred plus doors in
1:08:32
Speaker 1: North America where I can go speak to someone else.
1:08:37
Speaker 1: So I really enjoy my time out there doing that.
1:08:40
Speaker 1: And for a person that is not presenting true medical situations, right,
1:08:54
Speaker 1: I say, at that point, please go get blood and
1:08:58
Speaker 1: hormone panels taken by a good functional medicine doctor and
1:09:05
Speaker 1: then let's talk. Come back to me. How can I
1:09:08
Speaker 1: support you at that point? If it's somebody that's like, yeah,
1:09:12
Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty well. I don't have any red alarms
1:09:15
Speaker 1: going off, but I feel I have this slump at
1:09:20
Speaker 1: three pm. My libidos not where I want it to be.
1:09:24
Speaker 1: I feel kind of stressed. My skin is presenting issues,
1:09:29
Speaker 1: like my hair is kind of falling out, anything like that.
1:09:32
Speaker 2: I've got this like.
1:09:34
Speaker 1: Fifteen pounds of puff that won't go away. I can't sleep.
1:09:39
Speaker 1: I find myself to be very reactive. I get the
1:09:44
Speaker 1: cold or the flu multiple times a year. If you're
1:09:47
Speaker 1: in that category, my recommendation is SUPERU. And I actually
1:09:52
Speaker 1: made SUPERU for you all that feel that way, and
1:09:58
Speaker 1: that is really simple. It's an adapted blend. So they're
1:10:01
Speaker 1: four of my favorite adaptogens. These are four adaptogens are plants.
1:10:06
Speaker 1: They are supererbs and mushrooms that go into the body
1:10:11
Speaker 1: and then they help the body find homeostasis. And so
1:10:15
Speaker 1: they're bi directional, meaning they will lift you up and
1:10:20
Speaker 1: energize you if that's what your system needs, or they
1:10:23
Speaker 1: will help to actually calm you down and bring you
1:10:28
Speaker 1: down if that's what you need. And so they really do,
1:10:31
Speaker 1: whether it's going up or going down, they help you
1:10:34
Speaker 1: find the middle, and they work with your endocrine system,
1:10:38
Speaker 1: they work with the nervous system, they work with balancing
1:10:41
Speaker 1: out hormones. They are non stimulating, their non habit forming.
1:10:49
Speaker 1: They really do get in and help to buffer a
1:10:54
Speaker 1: lot of the stress that's coming at us, whether it
1:10:57
Speaker 1: is you know, stress, we relate to stress as an
1:11:00
Speaker 1: emotional issue, and it is not. Stress is environmental. It
1:11:10
Speaker 1: is loud noises, it's temperature changes, it's chemicals that are
1:11:16
Speaker 1: in foods, it's food allergies, screen time, airplane travel, not
1:11:22
Speaker 1: enough sleep. And so by the time you are feeling stressed,
1:11:30
Speaker 1: you've already incurred many, many, many of these physical events
1:11:35
Speaker 1: that take away from your adaptive energy. And so these
1:11:39
Speaker 1: adaptogens go in and these are plants that thrive in
1:11:44
Speaker 1: harsh environments, so way high up where there's little oxygen,
1:11:50
Speaker 1: where the temperatures are very cold, where it's extremely windy.
1:11:54
Speaker 1: These plants learn how to thrive in those environments, and
1:11:59
Speaker 1: so we actually get to borrow some of that adaptive
1:12:02
Speaker 1: energy from them to go in and help us. You know,
1:12:07
Speaker 1: it's like pennies in the bank. We begin to rebuild
1:12:10
Speaker 1: our own adaptive energy resources. And when your cup is full,
1:12:18
Speaker 1: you are able to deflect and handle those loud noises
1:12:23
Speaker 1: late nights, fumes in the air, also emotional situations, an
1:12:32
Speaker 1: argument with someone, a miscommunication, you know, whatever it is,
1:12:37
Speaker 1: we're able to adapt and you don't find yourself in
1:12:42
Speaker 1: this like, oh God, I'm so stressed out.
1:12:45
Speaker 3: Adaptagens just sound magical the way you talk about them.
1:12:48
Speaker 2: It's like a love letter. Yes, it's a love letter. Okay, Well,
1:12:52
Speaker 2: I mean that's a great place to start.
1:12:54
Speaker 1: So that is a great place to start. I you know,
1:12:57
Speaker 1: it's it's in capsule form. It's really easy. We all
1:13:00
Speaker 1: know how to swallow pills. So it's two caps a day,
1:13:04
Speaker 1: two caps a day, keep the stress away, two caps
1:13:07
Speaker 1: in the morning, and then if you would like to
1:13:10
Speaker 1: have even more support. My other recommendation is to take
1:13:16
Speaker 1: magnesium at night. And so magnesium is this blend of
1:13:23
Speaker 1: three types of magnesium plus alfthianine. I like to take
1:13:27
Speaker 1: it in the evening because it does help you to sleep,
1:13:31
Speaker 1: It helps you to unwind and relax. But these three
1:13:35
Speaker 1: forms of magnesium go in and the first form is
1:13:40
Speaker 1: not kulated, but it helps regular bowel movements, which is
1:13:45
Speaker 1: actually key to health.
1:13:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally needs.
1:13:49
Speaker 1: To happens to happen. Yes, So that's the magnesium citrate
1:13:52
Speaker 1: that goes in and does that. And there are two
1:13:54
Speaker 1: other forms of magnesium that actually areklated, which means that
1:13:58
Speaker 1: they are fully bioavailable, and they go in and they
1:14:02
Speaker 1: cross the blood brain blood brain barrier and help brain function,
1:14:10
Speaker 1: immune system, nervous system, really help to unstress, help with PMS.
1:14:19
Speaker 1: So that would be that would be my daily RX
1:14:22
Speaker 1: for pretty healthy person looking to upgrade.
1:14:27
Speaker 3: And it's interesting because I feel like, as with anyone
1:14:31
Speaker 3: that has tried this stuff and believes in this stuff,
1:14:34
Speaker 3: they're also you know, all of the people that hear
1:14:37
Speaker 3: stuff like this and they're like this just sounds like,
1:14:40
Speaker 3: oh my god, I can't even begin to fathom the
1:14:44
Speaker 3: amount of feedback or criticism or whatever you want to
1:14:49
Speaker 3: call it. From people that just hear you talking about
1:14:52
Speaker 3: this stuff, and they're like, what is this woman saying?
1:14:58
Speaker 3: How do you shut that out?
1:15:00
Speaker 1: Oh?
1:15:00
Speaker 3: Because I feel like that has to be the tactic
1:15:02
Speaker 3: at this point.
1:15:03
Speaker 1: Well, I'm really busy serving the people that are interested
1:15:09
Speaker 1: in trying these things and find them helpful. And I'm busy.
1:15:16
Speaker 2: I got stuff to do.
1:15:17
Speaker 1: I got stuff to do, and so you know my job.
1:15:20
Speaker 1: I'm not here to convert the non believers. I'm here
1:15:25
Speaker 1: to serve people that are curious.
1:15:28
Speaker 2: What's the saying.
1:15:28
Speaker 3: It's like, if you try to be a leader for everyone,
1:15:30
Speaker 3: you're a leader for no one.
1:15:32
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a good saying. Oh, now you go see.
1:15:35
Speaker 1: I mean I also have science on my side though,
1:15:37
Speaker 1: things like you know it's super you has clinical trials
1:15:42
Speaker 1: that show that your cortisol is reduced by thirty percent
1:15:47
Speaker 1: at least. So facts, I'm busy, and I got science
1:15:52
Speaker 1: for the non believers to chew on as working on
1:15:56
Speaker 1: something else.
1:15:56
Speaker 3: I'm working on something else. Okay, So then tell me
1:15:59
Speaker 3: what right now excites you.
1:16:02
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just pumped about it all. I
1:16:05
Speaker 1: just got off an airplane yesterday. I was in San
1:16:09
Speaker 1: Francisco meeting with my friends at Sephora in their headquarters.
1:16:15
Speaker 1: That is super exciting to see a a force that large,
1:16:21
Speaker 1: a global force, really taking wellness and stress very seriously.
1:16:29
Speaker 1: So I went and helped them do a day on
1:16:35
Speaker 1: unstressing corporate level. That's pretty exciting. I'm pumped about that.
1:16:40
Speaker 1: I'm pumped about the book that's coming out soon. I
1:16:44
Speaker 1: have to get my phone on the phone with my
1:16:46
Speaker 1: editor when we wrap here, just to like get final
1:16:50
Speaker 1: cover art done. I'm really excited about the skincare we
1:16:57
Speaker 1: just launched last week. We have got I've gotten new
1:17:05
Speaker 1: ingestible formula coming out in the next couple of weeks
1:17:09
Speaker 1: that I'm super excited about.
1:17:11
Speaker 3: So you have nothing going on, basically, is what you're
1:17:13
Speaker 3: trying to tell me. So there's two more questions.
1:17:16
Speaker 2: Yea. The first question.
1:17:18
Speaker 3: People might come to your personal Instagram page and they
1:17:22
Speaker 3: see a loving mother that's building this bustling business that
1:17:29
Speaker 3: is a fan of all of these heart to pronounce
1:17:33
Speaker 3: herbs and things and ingestibles, and they look at you
1:17:37
Speaker 3: and that's what they see. But when you look in
1:17:39
Speaker 3: the mirror, what is it that you see looking back
1:17:42
Speaker 3: at you?
1:17:43
Speaker 2: Wow? Hey, hey, what a question. Hard Hitter is to
1:17:47
Speaker 2: close us out here. What is it that I see?
1:17:49
Speaker 2: My God, what a question.
1:17:52
Speaker 1: When I look in the mirror, which I look in
1:17:56
Speaker 1: the mirror, I think twice a day when I'm brushing
1:17:59
Speaker 1: my teeth, that's when I look in the mirror. Wow,
1:18:02
Speaker 1: no one's ever said that before. That's when I look
1:18:04
Speaker 1: in the mirror. Truly, when I look in the mirror,
1:18:08
Speaker 1: I see someone who is on a mission and has
1:18:15
Speaker 1: a lot to do and needs to brush their teeth proficiently,
1:18:23
Speaker 1: but also needs to move on and get to the
1:18:26
Speaker 1: five thousand things that are calling my name that I
1:18:29
Speaker 1: am just eager to serve.
1:18:31
Speaker 2: Eager to serve.
1:18:32
Speaker 3: Okay, and now the final You have an opportunity right
1:18:37
Speaker 3: now to offer the Amanda who is so frustrated with
1:18:42
Speaker 3: what's going on with her body. She's tired of feeling sick,
1:18:46
Speaker 3: She's going through this Hurtle moment, and she just wants
1:18:49
Speaker 3: an answer. You have an opportunity right now, looking back
1:18:52
Speaker 3: on it, to offer her one piece of advice. What
1:18:55
Speaker 3: is it that you tell her.
1:18:58
Speaker 1: You're doing it? You're doing it right now. The frustration,
1:19:05
Speaker 1: the stopping, the doubting, the trying to figure it out,
1:19:11
Speaker 1: that is perhaps the most important part of the process.
1:19:16
Speaker 2: Thank you, Yeah, branking out with me. Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Come see us in real life at the three Moonjuice
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Speaker 1: Silver Lake, and one on Melroe's Place in West Hollywood.
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Speaker 1: Come see me wherever I'm speaking. I actually get out
1:19:55
Speaker 1: there in the world often. I'd love to see you.
1:19:58
Speaker 1: And then you can find find me in some fantasy
1:20:03
Speaker 1: version of my life on Instagram. I'm Amanda chantal Bacon.
1:20:08
Speaker 1: There's a lot of my family there, mostly family. And
1:20:12
Speaker 1: then please follow us at moon Juice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
1:20:18
Speaker 3: Thanks, another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.