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The Kenny Report | 28 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: This is The Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Inflation up, the cost of living up, interest rates about
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  Speaker 2: to go up, and all Jim Chalmers can do is
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  Speaker 2: buck past the blame and pretend that he's delivered savings.
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  Speaker 1: Angus Taylor will join me live.
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  Speaker 2: As politicians called for a gentler kind of a debate,
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  Speaker 2: why are they targeting One Nation's hilarious cartoons?
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  Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson, live from Canberra.
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  Speaker 2: Also, a crucial election in Israel, but why won't the
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian leadership give its people a say? Didn't Anthony Albanese
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  Speaker 2: and Penny Wong tell us elections were about to happen there?
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  Speaker 2: Activists in London planning French-style protests. I'll cross to Esther Krakou.
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  Speaker 2: And in the Wednesday wrangle with Justin and Jamie, I'll
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  Speaker 2: discuss all that plus the great coffee cup back down.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: You don't need me to tell you that your cost
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  Speaker 2: of living continues to rise. This is a direct breach
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  Speaker 2: of what Anthony Albanese and Jim Chalmers promised. We're getting poorer.
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  Speaker 2: Under Labor, we've been in a per capita recession. Families
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  Speaker 2: going backwards. Labor policies push up electricity prices, which push
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  Speaker 2: up the cost of everything. Labor pushes up the cost
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  Speaker 2: of doing business, the cost and size of government and
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  Speaker 2: the cost of housing.
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  Speaker 1: It's little wonder inflation's still rising.
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  Speaker 2: It jumped again today from 4% to 4.3%. So get
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  Speaker 2: ready for a rate rise again on Melbourne Cup Day.
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  Speaker 2: But the Treasurer presiding over all this, the bloke who
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  Speaker 2: claimed credit when rates and inflation fell a bit a
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  Speaker 2: couple of years back, well, Jim Chalmers reckons he's blameless.
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  Speaker 3: If you look at the specific drivers of the inflation
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  Speaker 3: numbers we've just received, the single biggest driver of higher
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  Speaker 3: headline inflation was higher fuel prices.
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  Speaker 2: That is a desperate line because the key inflation number
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  Speaker 2: for the Reserve Bank is the trimmed mean or the
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  Speaker 2: underlying inflation. And that figure has excluded fuel prices. Yet
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  Speaker 2: the trimmed mean has still risen from 3.5 percent to
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  Speaker 2: 3.6 percent, way outside the Reserve Bank's 2 to 3
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  Speaker 2: percent target range. meaning interest rates are all but certain
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  Speaker 2: to rise again. This comes after years of record spending
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  Speaker 2: from Labor, the highest we've seen outside the pandemic years.
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  Speaker 2: Yet incredibly, Chalmers still denies his reckless spending is driving
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  Speaker 2: inflation higher.
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  Speaker 3: Budgets aren't the primary driver of prices in our economy,
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  Speaker 3: but we can and intend to continue to play a
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  Speaker 3: helpful role in the fight against inflation. That's why we
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  Speaker 3: found $ 180 billion in savings.
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  Speaker 2: This level of spin must be wearing thin for everyone. Chalmers'
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  Speaker 2: references to savings are a lie. He's treating voters like fools.
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  Speaker 2: There are no net savings. What Chalmers calls a saving
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  Speaker 2: is spending reduced in one area only to be increased elsewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Chalmers suddenly isn't looking quite as smug as usual. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: even he is starting to see through his own spin.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister's $ 6 million grant to his local golf
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  Speaker 2: club is a rort, a classic case of pork-barrelling from
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  Speaker 2: a fund that Labor leveraged for electoral gain in a
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  Speaker 2: way that some experts describe as grey corruption. This is
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  Speaker 2: Labor playing politics, feathering its political nest with your tax dollars.
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  Speaker 2: And Albanese deserves sharp criticism right up to Election Day.
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  Speaker 2: But I've got to say, I reckon claims that he's
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  Speaker 2: misled Parliament just don't stack up. I'm no defender of Albanese.
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  Speaker 2: I reckon he's done nothing but damage to our nation, economically,
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  Speaker 2: socially and in foreign affairs and defence. And I expect
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  Speaker 2: him to retire next year rather than face voters a
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  Speaker 2: third time. But he didn't mislead Parliament by saying this
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  Speaker 2: grant was... providing sewerage for the golf club, even though
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  Speaker 2: it won't be used for that now because the New
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  Speaker 2: South Wales Government has agreed to fund the sewerage connection.
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  Speaker 2: So why doesn't this amount to misleading Parliament? Well, because
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  Speaker 2: the circumstances changed and Albanese never said it was all
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  Speaker 2: about sewerage. He was always up front that sewerage was
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  Speaker 2: just one aspect that this grant was supposed to cover.
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  Speaker 2: Media releases from the Inner West Council back in July
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  Speaker 2: last year and from Albanese himself two months earlier, and
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  Speaker 2: the official grant documentation published last month, made clear the
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  Speaker 2: funding would upgrade buildings, amenities and stormwater drainage to improve
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  Speaker 2: the health of the adjacent Cooks River. And while Albanese
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  Speaker 2: mentioned the sewage works a number of times in Parliament,
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  Speaker 2: he also made clear this was just one aspect of
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  Speaker 2: the project.
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  Speaker 4: And one for the upgrade of the Inner West Council-owned
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  Speaker 4: Marrickville Golf Club. Included in that was funding to fix
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  Speaker 4: the sewerage because it goes into the river and causes
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  Speaker 4: a problem when it floods.
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  Speaker 2: So it included funding for sewerage. That was never the
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  Speaker 2: main focus. Even the questions from the Liberals last month
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  Speaker 2: recognised this.
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  Speaker 5: Noting the Prime Minister's previous answers in this House, did
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  Speaker 5: the Prime Minister's decision to hand a $ 6 million.
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  Speaker 6: Grant to Marrickville Golf Club to upgrade its clubhouse.
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  Speaker 5: And remove the sewage stink increase the value of his
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  Speaker 5: investment property down the road?
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  Speaker 1: So there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Is Albanese guilty of misusing your tax dollars to fund
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  Speaker 2: a favoured project, hoping to win more support in his electorate?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely not.
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  Speaker 2: Is he guilty of over-egging the sewerage aspect to make
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  Speaker 2: it sound all a bit green and beyond question?
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  Speaker 1: Of course. But has he misled Parliament? I don't reckon so.
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  Speaker 2: He's just been exposed again as tricky, dissembling, a self-interested politician.
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  Speaker 1: And that's been kind to him.
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  Speaker 2: Elections have been held in Israel overnight, but it's way
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  Speaker 2: too soon to declare an outcome. We might be waiting
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  Speaker 2: many days or weeks to see who can cobble together
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  Speaker 2: enough parties and groups to form a governing coalition. 77-year-old
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  Speaker 2: Benjamin Netanyahu is already Israel's longest-serving Prime Minister, and this
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  Speaker 2: is yet another challenge in his tumultuous career. And while
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  Speaker 2: he's a hate figure abroad, most conservative leaders are, views
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  Speaker 2: are mixed in Israel. Netanyahu must eventually answer for the
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  Speaker 2: intelligence and security failings that allowed the October 7th atrocities
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  Speaker 2: to happen when terrorists led by Hamas out of Gaza
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  Speaker 2: invaded southern Israel three years ago and slaughtered 1,200 people,
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  Speaker 2: also taking 251 hostages, 80 of whom were also killed.
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  Speaker 2: There needs to be an inquiry into this, and many
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  Speaker 2: Israelis are eager for that reckoning. But there are far
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  Speaker 2: fewer Israelis critical of the government's defence of the nation
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  Speaker 2: since then. Anyone expecting a possible new government to be
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  Speaker 2: led by Gadi Eisenkot to ease back on Israel's pursuit
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  Speaker 2: of Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad and their Iranian backers, well,
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  Speaker 2: Anyone suggesting that is badly misinformed. Eisencott is a former
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  Speaker 2: IDF chief of staff and the number one priority for any.
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  Speaker 1: Government will be defending Israel.
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  Speaker 2: It has to be the country surrounded by enemies, by
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  Speaker 2: zealots who'll sacrifice their own children to attack Israel. There'll
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  Speaker 2: be no enduring peace in the Middle East until those
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  Speaker 2: extremist elements are either defeated or at least quelled by
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  Speaker 2: proper governance in the Palestinian territories as well as in Lebanon,
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  Speaker 2: Syria and Iran.
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  Speaker 1: That's just the reality.
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  Speaker 2: Which begs the question of when the Palestinians will get
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  Speaker 2: another chance to vote.
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  Speaker 1: Almost two million.
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  Speaker 2: Arabs got to vote in the Israeli elections yesterday, but
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  Speaker 2: under President Mamdou Abbas, the Palestinian Arabs haven't had an
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  Speaker 2: election for 21 years. Remember when Anthony Albanese and Penny
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  Speaker 2: Wong recognised the non-existent state of Palestine as a country?
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  Speaker 2: They did so on the condition it disarmed the terrorists,
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  Speaker 2: stopped paying terrorists and their families and held elections. None
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  Speaker 2: of this has happened. A shocking but predictable outcome. Senator
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  Speaker 2: James Patterson took this up in Estimates today.
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  Speaker 7: What's your assessment then, Minister? If you won't let the
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  Speaker 7: officials answer, what's your assessment? How many times more will
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  Speaker 7: President Abbas be allowed to delay elections before we recognise
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  Speaker 7: that maybe he does not intend on holding them at all?
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  Speaker 8: And I respond to you by saying, you know, that's
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  Speaker 8: like asking you, when will Israel stop building settlements that
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  Speaker 8: prevent a Palestinian state?
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not like asking that at all, Minister.
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  Speaker 2: The Palestinians can't hold elections any time and they might
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  Speaker 2: have more luck opposing settlements if they had a government
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  Speaker 2: that spoke with authority. Instead, the Palestinians are a terror-ridden rabble,
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  Speaker 2: failing to meet any of the essential preconditions for statehood.
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  Speaker 7: Are there any circumstances under which the government will revoke
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  Speaker 7: the recognition of Palestinian statehood?
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  Speaker 8: No, we have recognised the state of Palestine.
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  Speaker 7: Well, it's not a precondition then, is it?
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  Speaker 1: Well, we have.
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  Speaker 8: Recognised the state of Palestine and that is a contribution
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  Speaker 8: to peace.
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  Speaker 9: In the Middle East.
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  Speaker 2: Well, recognising a non-existent nation has only rewarded terrorism... and
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  Speaker 2: it certainly hasn't delivered peace. Our government has hampered peace
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  Speaker 2: efforts rather than helped them. Instead of supporting Israel and
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  Speaker 2: airing the facts, they've demonised Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Remember when Penny Wong said this at the UN?
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  Speaker 8: In the West Bank, the situation is worsening. In the
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  Speaker 8: first six months of this year alone, settler violence has
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  Speaker 8: driven more than 15,000 children from their homes.
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  Speaker 2: As we pointed out, that figure is simply not true.
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  Speaker 2: Wong failed to correct it or explain it, and today
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  Speaker 2: her department took the blame.
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  Speaker 10: I accept responsibility. It wasn't provided an error.
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  Speaker 7: OK, because the speech referred to the number of displaced
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  Speaker 7: people over a six-month period, but the figure was actually
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  Speaker 7: over an 18-month period.
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  Speaker 10: That is correct. The figure was from UN OCHA, and
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  Speaker 10: it said over 41,000 Palestinians, including over 15,000 children... We're
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  Speaker 10: displaced in the West Bank over 18 months as a
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  Speaker 10: consequence of settler violence, security operations and a range of
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  Speaker 10: punitive measures. So, yes, you're right, and I take responsibility
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  Speaker 10: for the error.
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  Speaker 2: Just another example of the demonisation of Israel taking precedence
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  Speaker 2: over sticking to the facts. At least here in Australia,
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  Speaker 2: like in Israel, we'll get the chance to cast a vote.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go live now to the opposition leader, Angus Taylor,
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  Speaker 2: joining us from Canberra. Thanks for joining us, Angus. I've
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  Speaker 2: got to ask you first up about the inflation figure today.
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  Speaker 2: Widely expected, but very grim news for most of the
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  Speaker 2: country in the lead-up to Christmas.
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  Speaker 11: Well, it certainly was, Chris, and it just confirms what
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  Speaker 11: we see every day, which is the price of everything
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  Speaker 11: is up. The price of eggs, of bread, of milk,
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  Speaker 11: of insurance, of health services, of rent, housing more generally,
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  Speaker 11: it's all up. It's all up and it continues to
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  Speaker 11: go up. And that's because we've got a government that
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  Speaker 11: can't control its spending and an economy that's broken. And
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  Speaker 11: that's why you get inflation, Chris. The government's run out
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  Speaker 11: of ideas. Chalmers told us he'd beaten inflation. He told
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  Speaker 11: us he'd got the better of it. The Prime Minister
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  Speaker 11: had told us the same thing. And yet we now
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  Speaker 11: see it surging. It was surging before the war started.
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  Speaker 11: In the Middle East, as were interest rates, and we're
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  Speaker 11: now in line for the 17th interest rate increase under Labor.
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  Speaker 11: It's widely expected now next week. A really tough time
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  Speaker 11: for any Australian with a mortgage. They're paying over $ 30, 000
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  Speaker 11: more in mortgage payments than when Labor came to power
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  Speaker 11: and I just think people are losing hope.
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  Speaker 1: There is a way out of this.
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  Speaker 11: We've got to cut the waste. We've got to cut
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  Speaker 11: the red tape. We've got to cut the taxes. We've
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  Speaker 11: got to get our economy moving again. And that's what
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  Speaker 11: we're going to keep fighting for.
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  Speaker 2: It is astonishing to see Jim Chalmers and Anthony Albanese
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  Speaker 2: deny the role of their record government spending in this. Now,
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  Speaker 2: of course, we all understand there are other factors, but
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  Speaker 2: the record level of government spending, and the way it's
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  Speaker 2: continuing to rise has to be a factor that they
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  Speaker 2: seem to be in complete denial about.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the Reserve Bank Governor, Michelle Bullock, today.
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  Speaker 12: Government spending, federal and state, I have to say here,
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  Speaker 12: not just federal, all contributes to aggregate demand in some way,
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  Speaker 12: whether it be through infrastructure projects, the services they have
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  Speaker 12: to provide and so on, all things which governments... The
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  Speaker 12: public expect governments to provide.
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  Speaker 9: That contributes to aggregate demand.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the government's very careful there, but it's just obvious,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it? Obvious that expanding government contributes to the problem.
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  Speaker 11: Absolutely right. It always has, Chris. This is the key
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  Speaker 11: to inflation. It's ultimately driven by governments that can't control
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  Speaker 11: their spending. That's what happened under Gough Whitlam and subsequently...
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  Speaker 11: in the 1970s and 80s, and that's exactly what's going
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  Speaker 11: on now. What you saw then from the Reserve Bank,
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  Speaker 11: by the way, it's a lot of technobabble, but what
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  Speaker 11: she's saying very clearly is government spending drives inflation, and
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  Speaker 11: that is exactly what's going on right now, and that's
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  Speaker 11: why we've laid out $ 31 billion.
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  Speaker 11: Of savings that we've already announced. We laid out those
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  Speaker 11: numbers earlier this week. Jim Chalmers has said anyone who's
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  Speaker 11: got any ideas about how they can save money to
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  Speaker 11: bring down inflation, they should come forward.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we've come forward, Chris. It's very clear.
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  Speaker 11: Get rid of the net zero bureaucracy. Get rid of
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  Speaker 11: the housing bureaucracy that's not delivering any houses. Stop giving
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  Speaker 11: welfare to non-Australians. I mean, seriously, billions of dollars, billions
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  Speaker 11: of dollars. going to people who are not even Australian
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  Speaker 11: citizens under the NDIS and 17 different welfare programs, home
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  Speaker 11: deposit schemes.
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  Speaker 1: All of this can go.
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  Speaker 11: And the Prime Minister and the Treasurer can axe it
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  Speaker 11: all tomorrow and we know that would put downward pressure
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  Speaker 11: on inflation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you pre-empted my next question there because I was
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  Speaker 1: going to go to that.
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  Speaker 2: It's a brave announcement for a coalition at this stage
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  Speaker 2: of the cycle to outline $ 31 billion worth of spending cuts.
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  Speaker 2: As you say, largely by targeting these climate change boondoggles
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  Speaker 2: and the like. But given that it's been so easy
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  Speaker 2: to identify that level of spending cuts that Labor could
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  Speaker 2: introduce tomorrow if they were so moved... You must see
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  Speaker 2: that there's a lot more you could cut if you
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  Speaker 2: got into government and started trimming here, there and everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: For instance, do you have an up-to-date number on the
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  Speaker 2: level of public service staffing increase under Labor? Last I heard,
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  Speaker 2: it was something like 45,000 extra federal public servants since
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  Speaker 2: they took office.
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  Speaker 11: Well, Chris, sadly, they're adding so many at such a pace,
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  Speaker 11: it's very hard to keep up with that number. But
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  Speaker 11: we'll keep an eye on it. Obviously, that's another area
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  Speaker 11: that we'll be looking at. And we're looking everywhere. Remember,
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  Speaker 11: I grew up in a farming family, small business family.
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  Speaker 11: I know that you've got to make every dollar work hard.
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  Speaker 11: And our taxpayers expect that. This government doesn't get that.
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  Speaker 11: If we look after taxpayers' money, we'll get inflation down,
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  Speaker 11: we'll get interest rates down. We'll get the economy moving again.
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  Speaker 11: We'll be more competitive as an economy. And that's what
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  Speaker 11: we need right now if Australians are going to have
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  Speaker 11: hope again that they can get ahead. They can buy
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  Speaker 11: a home, they can pay it down, start a business,
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  Speaker 11: start a family. This is what we need, this hope back,
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  Speaker 11: this aspiration back, because Australia without aspiration is not the
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  Speaker 11: Australia I believe in.
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  Speaker 2: But where I was getting to is surely one of
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  Speaker 2: the first things you could do is have a federal
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  Speaker 2: public service hiring freeze, especially given with AI they're supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be more productive.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: Well, we're seeing constant growth and there's no question about that, Chris,
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  Speaker 11: and that growth needs to end and the growth in
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  Speaker 11: spending more generally needs to end. This is a government
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  Speaker 11: that can't help itself. Jim Chalmers can't help himself. You know,
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  Speaker 11: he's a media guy, nothing wrong with being a media advisor.
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  Speaker 11: The trouble is he's got no genuine qualification to be
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  Speaker 11: the treasurer of this great nation and it's showing now.
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  Speaker 11: After four and a half years, a complete failure, he's
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  Speaker 11: run out of ideas. Interest rates and inflation continue to rise.
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  Speaker 11: And sadly, Melbourne Cup day, next RBA decision, the expectation
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  Speaker 11: now the markets are saying more than an 80% chance
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  Speaker 11: that we're going to have an interest rate increase. And
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  Speaker 11: that's just more terrible pain for hardworking Australians.
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  Speaker 1: Just onto a couple of other issues.
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  Speaker 2: I've outlined why I don't think Anthony Albanese can be convicted,
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  Speaker 2: if you like, in the parliament of misleading parliament.
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  Speaker 1: But where's this issue going to go? It's such a boondoggle.
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  Speaker 2: Are you looking at referring this to the National Anti-Corruption Commission?
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  Speaker 11: Well, you know, we're going to keep pushing on the
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  Speaker 11: lies we hear from Anthony Albanese every day and the spin.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I have to sit in Question Time every
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  Speaker 11: day and just listen to, you know, an hour and
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  Speaker 11: a bit of spin every day. It's just nonsense he
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  Speaker 11: goes on about. But the worst thing about Anthony Albanese
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  Speaker 11: and the government that he leads is that they can't
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  Speaker 11: admit it when they've made a mistake. This is a
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  Speaker 11: Prime Minister who couldn't admit it when he fell off
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  Speaker 11: a stage. He couldn't admit it when he said offensive
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  Speaker 11: things about the Japanese Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 1: He couldn't admit it for multiple questions.
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  Speaker 11: When he got it wrong on this grant to the
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  Speaker 11: Marrickville Golf Club. He just ran around in circles before
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  Speaker 11: he finally said, as quickly and as quietly as he could,
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  Speaker 11: it's incorrect. That's the furthest this guy can ever go
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  Speaker 11: to admit failure. Now, the important point of this, the
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  Speaker 11: important point of admitting that you've got something wrong, Chris,
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  Speaker 11: is that you can't fix a problem until you admit
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  Speaker 11: that there is a problem. And this Prime Minister and
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  Speaker 11: this government can't admit that they've got things wrong and
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  Speaker 11: so they can't fix it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's stay on that theme because there's an even
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  Speaker 2: more important lie, if you like, or a failure to
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  Speaker 2: confront their own failings that I think is doing enormous
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: damage to this country. And that is when we talk
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: about hate and abuse on our streets. Now, there's been
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: a big focus the last week or so about trying
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: to get rid of hatred and abuse, especially in the
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: light of the horrible tragedy inflicted upon Helen Haynes. But
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese and Labor are telling you and other politicians
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: that you've got to mind your P's and Q's and
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: they're targeting political cartoons without addressing the fact that they
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: have let hatred and foul abuse and threats run rampant
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: on our streets since the Opera House protest in October
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: the 9th, 2023.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Is this.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Where the hatred stems from, the fact that governments won't
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: curtail it on our streets.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: And what would you do as a national leader to
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: rein that in? Well, so here's the important point on this, Chris.
• 20:37
  Speaker 11: Any form of political violence or threatening or intimidation of
• 20:42
  Speaker 11: physical violence is completely and utterly unacceptable and must be
• 20:47
  Speaker 11: called out immediately, wherever it comes from. The Labor Party
• 20:51
  Speaker 11: is very quick to do that against right-wing extremism. They're
• 20:56
  Speaker 11: never quick to do that against Islamist extremism or left-wing extremism.
• 21:01
  Speaker 11: But you've got.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: To call it out no matter what.
• 21:03
  Speaker 11: Now, that is completely consistent with having robust debate in
• 21:07
  Speaker 11: our parliament. In fact, the whole history of our Westminster
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: system of government is it's built on the idea that
• 21:15
  Speaker 11: we have vigorous, rigorous debate in our parliament to avoid
• 21:19
  Speaker 11: political violence. And then if there is political violence, you
• 21:22
  Speaker 11: call it out. And what we saw is a very
• 21:25
  Speaker 11: good example. You have a terrible example, actually, on October 9, 2023.
• 21:29
  Speaker 11: where the Prime Minister wasn't prepared to call out calls
• 21:32
  Speaker 11: for violence, because that's what it was. That's what it was.
• 21:36
  Speaker 11: And this is where this Prime Minister is hypocritical to
• 21:41
  Speaker 11: the extreme.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Now, you've had a Home Affairs spokesman in John O'Donoghue
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: who's been very good and strong on this stuff. He's
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: about to leave politics. Please tell us you're going to
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: put Andrew Hastie into that portfolio.
• 21:53
  Speaker 11: LAUGHTER Well, I'm not going to pre-empt Jono leaving. He's
• 21:57
  Speaker 11: still got a little bit more to do and he's
• 21:59
  Speaker 11: done a great job. And we've announced our immigration policy,
• 22:02
  Speaker 11: the biggest cut to immigration in this country's history, moving
• 22:04
  Speaker 11: from mass migration back to skilled migration.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Andrew Hasty would be perfect. The leader in that.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: He's done it before.
• 22:10
  Speaker 11: Andrew is a key and valued member of my team.
• 22:13
  Speaker 11: I'm not going to make a reshuffle announcement on your
• 22:15
  Speaker 11: program tonight.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Why the hell not?
• 22:18
  Speaker 11: But, Andrew.
• 22:20
  Speaker 11: But Andrew's obviously a valued member of the team. And Jono,
• 22:23
  Speaker 11: can I say, Jono has been a wonderful member of
• 22:26
  Speaker 11: my team and our broader coalition team for many years,
• 22:30
  Speaker 11: and we will miss him dearly, but he's got a
• 22:32
  Speaker 11: little bit more work to do before he goes.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Angus. Appreciate it. Good to be
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: with you.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Liberal leader, coalition leader, leader of the opposition, Angus Taylor there,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: live from Canberra. Let's get a bit more of an
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: economic perspective on what's happened with inflation today. Catch up
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: with economics professor from the University of New South Wales,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Gigi Foster. Good to talk to you again, Gigi. You
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: would have seen this coming, no doubt.
• 22:55
  Speaker 15: Oh, yeah, for sure. And I'm sure Michelle Bullock did
• 22:58
  Speaker 15: as well and her whole committee. I mean, the problem
• 23:00
  Speaker 15: here is that there's only so much that the RBA
• 23:02
  Speaker 15: can do with interest rates. And as you've been saying
• 23:05
  Speaker 15: on your program for many months, if not longer, government
• 23:08
  Speaker 15: spending is a big part of the problem here. But
• 23:10
  Speaker 15: it isn't just government spending, right? In a way, government
• 23:13
  Speaker 15: spending is something that sort of creates its own demand.
• 23:17
  Speaker 15: When there are bad policies, when there's red tape, when
• 23:20
  Speaker 15: there are band-aid fixes instead of addressing structural issues, you
• 23:24
  Speaker 15: end up needing to hire more people in the government
• 23:27
  Speaker 15: in order to fix the problems that you've created with
• 23:29
  Speaker 15: your policy. So I can imagine that the Labour government
• 23:33
  Speaker 15: is feeling itself a bit trapped, feeling trapped by its
• 23:36
  Speaker 15: own incompetence, really. because it has issued so many policies,
• 23:40
  Speaker 15: whether you're talking about tax policy or health policy or
• 23:42
  Speaker 15: education policy, which are sending Australia backwards and creating some
• 23:46
  Speaker 15: of the very problems that they now have to try
• 23:49
  Speaker 15: to fix with more government spending and are failing to
• 23:51
  Speaker 15: do that as well.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: I must admit, Jim Chalmers always looks so confident and smug.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I thought he looked a lot less so today. Maybe
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: reality is starting to dawn on him. Let's have a
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: look at some of what the Prime Minister had to
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: say today.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: We're delivering budgets grounded in responsible economic management and the
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: look for sensible savings.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: But we know there's more to do.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: These are tough economic times right around the world and
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: they're far from over. We have a plan to get
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: through it and the government that I lead will continue
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: to do everything we can.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, Gigi, this is war is peace, you know,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: black is white stuff, isn't it, when they keep talking
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: about spending cuts and responsible budgets when we have record
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: government spending growth?
• 24:36
  Speaker 16: 100%.
• 24:38
  Speaker 15: And indeed, when a society starts calling black white and
• 24:41
  Speaker 15: white black, you know that the society is in stress.
• 24:44
  Speaker 15: That is a major signal, right? You start simply not
• 24:47
  Speaker 15: seeing reality. I mean, another example of this is the appointment,
• 24:50
  Speaker 15: I'm sure you saw this, of Jacinda Ardern to University
• 24:52
  Speaker 15: of Sydney just yesterday.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's just insane.
• 24:55
  Speaker 15: She's supposed to be a professor of ethics and compassion.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what?
• 24:59
  Speaker 15: Did anybody see what she did to New Zealand during COVID? So,
• 25:02
  Speaker 15: I mean, I agree with you. I think it's just
• 25:05
  Speaker 15: more and more spin. And, unfortunately, the government can get
• 25:07
  Speaker 15: away with this, because the people of Australia, I think
• 25:10
  Speaker 15: they're kind of detached. They're so much so focused now
• 25:14
  Speaker 15: on just having their own family secured in these very
• 25:17
  Speaker 15: difficult times that they almost don't have the energy to
• 25:20
  Speaker 15: pay attention to and try to hold accountable the politicians
• 25:23
  Speaker 15: who are supposedly in these leadership positions doing the right thing,
• 25:26
  Speaker 15: according to them. And so there's all sorts of space
• 25:28
  Speaker 15: available to delude people and just spin propaganda.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: So give us a quick assessment of what the opposition
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: put out. Brave for an opposition to proposing spending cuts,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: but they seem to come up with a list of
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: $ 31 billion rather easily.
• 25:42
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, I think that it would be quite
• 25:43
  Speaker 15: possible to do that. But the thing that's important to
• 25:46
  Speaker 15: bear in mind is, again, because we've gotten into this
• 25:48
  Speaker 15: situation over not just months, but years of bad policy
• 25:52
  Speaker 15: decisions and really kind of pressure on communities, a kind
• 25:57
  Speaker 15: of destruction of the fabric that used to provide a
• 26:00
  Speaker 15: lot of the services that government today now provides with
• 26:03
  Speaker 15: all that spending. If you start cutting back on the spending,
• 26:06
  Speaker 15: people will initially feel the pinch, not just in the wallet,
• 26:09
  Speaker 15: but in terms of material assistance and being able to
• 26:12
  Speaker 15: make things work. Now, the way to try to lessen
• 26:15
  Speaker 15: that pinch is to reduce red tape, to get rid
• 26:18
  Speaker 15: of the regulation, the over-regulation, the over-compliance burden, which is huge, right?
• 26:22
  Speaker 15: The IPA, I think, estimated something like $ 175 billion worth
• 26:26
  Speaker 15: of compliance burden per year. That's 10% of GDP. So
• 26:29
  Speaker 15: that's where I would be focused, and I'm sure the
• 26:30
  Speaker 15: coalition is focused on that, too.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, spot on. Thanks for joining us, Gigi. Appreciate it.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Gigi Foster there from the University of New South Wales.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: We'd better take a break.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: On the other side, who else but Pauline Hanson, live
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: from Canberra, as everybody seems to be critical, or everyone
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: on the left, of One Nation's hilarious cartoons, as if
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: editing cartoons is going to solve all our woes. Let's
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: head back down to Canberra and this time catch up
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: with One Nation leader Pauline Hanson. Pauline, good to talk
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: to you. We haven't caught up for a while. There's
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: lots to talk about. First up, your next electoral test,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: of course, is the Victorian state election just a month
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: away now. Latest polls, though, have the Liberals doing very well.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: You're a ways behind them with a lot of the
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: analysts suggesting the Coalition could form government there in their
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: own right without having to rely on One Nation.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: What's your... Your take on that? Are you concerned?
• 27:31
  Speaker 17: No, of course I'm not concerned about it. My aim
• 27:34
  Speaker 17: was to get rid of a toxic Labor government. And
• 27:37
  Speaker 17: if we can achieve that, that's great. Remember, the Liberals
• 27:41
  Speaker 17: can't win these seats or win government in their own
• 27:43
  Speaker 17: right without One Nation.
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: So it is combined.
• 27:46
  Speaker 17: So if you look at the two-party preferred, they are
• 27:49
  Speaker 17: taking consideration of One Nation's votes and where they go.
• 27:52
  Speaker 18: So.
• 27:53
  Speaker 17: I'm encouraging people who vote One Nation number one then
• 27:56
  Speaker 17: to give the Libs your preference prior to giving it
• 27:59
  Speaker 17: to the Labor Party or the Greens.
• 28:02
  Speaker 14: Yep.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Now, there's push for a leaders' debate to be hosted
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: here on Sky.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: A bit of a stalemate at the moment. Labor wants
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: One Nation in.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Jess Wilson and the Liberals don't want One Nation in.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: News 24, of course. I think I owe the crew
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: another slab of beer for mentioning that old name.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: But the point here is you want in the debate,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: don't you?
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: But Labor seems to think that favours them if they
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: can have One Nation on the debate stage as well.
• 28:32
  Speaker 17: Well, what I've heard today is I think that Ben
• 28:35
  Speaker 17: Carroll has said, no, he won't have the debate with
• 28:37
  Speaker 17: One Nation as well. So both of the two major
• 28:40
  Speaker 17: political parties said they won't have the debate with One Nation. Now,
• 28:43
  Speaker 17: that just shows you the arrogance, sheer arrogance of both
• 28:46
  Speaker 17: these leaders in Victoria.
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: You know, be upfront.
• 28:49
  Speaker 17: If you think you're better at it and you have
• 28:51
  Speaker 17: the policies across the board, then fine.
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: Debate the policies with our leader, Warren Pickering.
• 28:57
  Speaker 17: And, you know, let's have the debate so people can
• 29:00
  Speaker 17: actually get a clear understanding of what we intend to
• 29:04
  Speaker 17: do for the state of Victoria.
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: But they don't want to. It closed ranks, Chris. This
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: is what it's about.
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: It's closed ranks.
• 29:10
  Speaker 17: The sheer arrogance of the major political parties in this country.
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: And I think it's wrong.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Look, from our point of view, from News24' s point of view,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: and I think from the point of view of most viewers,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: they'd want to see the three major polling parties up
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: there on stage.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: But the reality is you don't have.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Any MPs in Victoria, so it's a pretty easy case
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: to make.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Sorry, we do.
• 29:33
  Speaker 17: Have an Upper House MP, Rikki Lee. She's been there
• 29:37
  Speaker 17: for the last four years.
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: There you go.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: You've got Rikki Lee up there.
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: In Victoria. Yes, we do.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with such a minor representation and people are just
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: looking at the polls, it's a hard case to make
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: to be up there for a debate, isn't it? Otherwise
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: you'd have the Greens and other minor parties up there.
• 29:53
  Speaker 17: Well, Chris, we did win the seats in South Australia
• 29:56
  Speaker 17: and we did win, you know, Farah, so the polls...
• 29:59
  Speaker 17: proving that we can win these seats. This is a
• 30:02
  Speaker 17: very important election for Victoria, and both sides have introduced
• 30:06
  Speaker 17: policies that, you know, the people of Victoria were.
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: Not happy with.
• 30:11
  Speaker 17: Where has been the opposition of the Liberal Party for
• 30:14
  Speaker 17: the past 12 years to hold the Labor Party to account?
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: Accountability. Where has it been? Absolutely nowhere. And Jess says
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: she's got the experience.
• 30:23
  Speaker 12: What?
• 30:23
  Speaker 17: This is her first term in Parliament. So where's the
• 30:26
  Speaker 17: experience there? For them to throw mud around at One
• 30:29
  Speaker 17: Nation that we don't have the experience, well, I disagree
• 30:33
  Speaker 17: with that. People with experience and knowledge in business right
• 30:36
  Speaker 17: across the board, people who have the heart of the
• 30:39
  Speaker 17: farming sector in our policies, education with Colin Harkin, who
• 30:45
  Speaker 17: actually knows about these issues, why are they.
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: the elitist.
• 30:49
  Speaker 17: Attitude, they feel that they have the right to govern
• 30:52
  Speaker 17: and not open it up for debate. So I think
• 30:57
  Speaker 17: they'll be.
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: Judged by the people.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: You talk about the experience in business and the like
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: and real-world experience, the interest rate decision today and the
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: looming rate rise. Increases the pressure on people around the country,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: of course.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: In Victoria as well. I know with your new.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Website and campaign, you're going around the country asking people,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: what's holding you back? I would have thought the answer's
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: going to be obvious, isn't it? It's going to be
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: the cost of living, the higher taxation.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: That's the problem.
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: It is the problem, Chris.
• 31:27
  Speaker 17: I was in Tasmania last week. I went to the
• 31:29
  Speaker 17: aluminium smelter, the zinc smelter. I spoke to farming sectors.
• 31:33
  Speaker 17: I spoke to small business right across the state. I've
• 31:36
  Speaker 17: been doing that right across the whole country. And I'm
• 31:38
  Speaker 17: going to Western Australia this weekend, then back to Victoria,
• 31:41
  Speaker 17: then New South Wales, Queensland. So I'm travelling all the time.
• 31:44
  Speaker 17: We're having a meeting with businesses. And you know what
• 31:46
  Speaker 17: they're saying to me? is that we haven't really been asked.
• 31:50
  Speaker 17: We haven't been consulted to this level and we're asking them.
• 31:53
  Speaker 17: And they are so grateful that the opportunity, that finally
• 31:57
  Speaker 17: someone is really listening to them. And you can't tell
• 32:00
  Speaker 17: me all of a sudden the political party's waking up, oh, well,
• 32:03
  Speaker 17: it's up to regulations, it's control, it's over-regulated in this
• 32:07
  Speaker 17: country and the spending by the government. They've known what's
• 32:11
  Speaker 17: going on. But it's only because the One Nation is here.
• 32:13
  Speaker 17: We're really setting the agenda. We're actually taking it up
• 32:17
  Speaker 17: to them and we're saying, OK, these are the problems
• 32:19
  Speaker 17: in the country.
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: This is how it should be addressed.
• 32:22
  Speaker 17: Why do you think the Liberal Party has picked up
• 32:24
  Speaker 17: a lot of my policies along the way as well?
• 32:27
  Speaker 17: They didn't have the answers and they still don't have
• 32:29
  Speaker 17: all the answers. But let's talk to people. That's what
• 32:32
  Speaker 17: I'm doing. I'm talking to big business, the farming sector.
• 32:36
  Speaker 17: I want to hear from them because that's how we
• 32:38
  Speaker 17: can form the policies and really get to the heart
• 32:41
  Speaker 17: of the problem here and make the change for them.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Now, I've got to say, one thing that's really confounded
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: me over the past week or so, and I'll explain
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: why in just a moment, but I've just been astounded
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: to see the way when everyone's talking about we need
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: to get rid of hatred and abuse in this country
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: and make sure we don't have toxic politics in the
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: wake of the Helen Haynes tragedy, they've.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Been picking on the One Nation cartoons. Have a look
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: at some of this criticism.
• 33:07
  Speaker 18: I'm just shocked at how low these One Nation people
• 33:12
  Speaker 18: will go. So it's kind of imported overseas politics, this
• 33:16
  Speaker 18: kind of nasty style of politics.
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: Those cartoons are despicable.
• 33:22
  Speaker 9: They are revolting.
• 33:23
  Speaker 17: This is a politician who has spread hate and division,
• 33:28
  Speaker 17: who has led people in our communities to feel unsafe
• 33:31
  Speaker 17: and targeted.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Now, I remind you, they're talking about hilarious cartoons here,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: whatever you think about some jokes being distasteful.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Or appalling or the rest of it.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: But this is astounding, Pauline, especially given the alleged offender
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: in this attack has a history of supporting left-wing causes, anti-Israel,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: pro-climate change and all the.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Rest of it.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: So, again, though, this went right to the top. Here's
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: the AFP commissioner on the ABC.
• 33:58
  Speaker 14: I've got to ask, do things like a cartoon that
• 34:02
  Speaker 14: suggests someone should be hit by a car or something
• 34:04
  Speaker 14: like that, does that have a direct link?
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: Is that what you're talking about?
• 34:07
  Speaker 19: We do see examples where there are particular announcements or,
• 34:11
  Speaker 19: you know, things like you've just described.
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: There is a reaction amongst the community.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Now, my strong observation, Pauline, is that it's astounding.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: We have the police commissioner and the Labor politicians and
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: the left trying to talk about hatred and they pin
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: it on a cartoon, when these people.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Have let Others march in the.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Streets for more than three years saying, F the Jews,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: where's the Jews? Let's have Intifada from Gadigal to Gaza.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Death to the IDF.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: There's been so much hatred and abuse on the streets
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: on those issues and also protests with students saying that.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: You should be killed or guillotined.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: All that hatred is going unpunished, yet they're blaming your cartoons.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: Chris, I'm so pleased that you raised it.
• 35:02
  Speaker 17: You're pointing to the facts that I have said constantly
• 35:04
  Speaker 17: time and time again.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: It is a satirical cartoon.
• 35:07
  Speaker 17: But why they're upset about it is because the cartoons
• 35:11
  Speaker 17: have woken up a lot of Australians to what is
• 35:13
  Speaker 17: happening in politics.
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: They weren't interested in it. So that a.
• 35:16
  Speaker 17: Lot of it's factual and that tells them about what's
• 35:18
  Speaker 17: going on.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: This hurts them.
• 35:20
  Speaker 17: They don't like this to be out in the open
• 35:24
  Speaker 17: where people can actually watch these cartoons, understand politics, understand
• 35:27
  Speaker 17: what's happening here in this bubble in Canberra that affects
• 35:31
  Speaker 17: so many of their lives. That Tim Ayres, I wouldn't
• 35:33
  Speaker 17: give him the time of day. I see his vitriol
• 35:36
  Speaker 17: on the floor of Parliament all the time. And, you know,
• 35:39
  Speaker 17: what they've got to say doesn't interest me and I
• 35:41
  Speaker 17: couldn't care less to tell you the truth. I don't
• 35:44
  Speaker 17: listen to their opinions at all because they're biased in
• 35:47
  Speaker 17: their opinions and they want to get rid of my cartoons. So, anyway,
• 35:52
  Speaker 17: I'm not getting rid of them. The cartoons are still
• 35:54
  Speaker 17: going to happen. But the new laws they're putting through,
• 35:56
  Speaker 17: the digital identity laws, that one, I think they'll try
• 36:01
  Speaker 17: and use them to shut the cartoons down.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it does make life difficult for Mark Nicholson,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: the cartoonist, the satirist, and your candidate in Victoria. Now,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: we'll catch up with him tomorrow night. I'll ask him
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: about some of that. Thanks for joining us, Paulina. I
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. Pauline Hanson there, live from Canberra. We're going
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: to go live to London next. I'll catch up with
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Esther Krakow and find out about some French-style.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Protests being planned for London.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Let's cross to London and catch up with writer and
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: broadcaster Esther Krakow.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Esther, thanks for joining us again.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Most of us watching what's unfolded on the streets of
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Paris and other countries. French cities over recent weeks have
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: been appalled. But in the UK, the Greens are inspired.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Tell us more.
• 36:53
  Speaker 20: Yes, so you would think that someone in the Green
• 36:55
  Speaker 20: Party would be standing for the environment. And what could
• 36:58
  Speaker 20: be less environmentally friendly than being inspired to loot and
• 37:03
  Speaker 20: burn buildings and cars? But a Green Party councillor from
• 37:06
  Speaker 20: London tweeted that if people felt inspired by the French
• 37:11
  Speaker 20: student protests... which we're calling that politely, that they should
• 37:15
  Speaker 20: take to the streets of London to protest ahead of
• 37:20
  Speaker 20: the chancellor's upcoming budget, which is it just beggars belief.
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's beyond.
• 37:24
  Speaker 20: Reasoning that a Green Party member would would advocate for
• 37:29
  Speaker 20: basically mass destruction. And then to top it all off,
• 37:32
  Speaker 20: mass destruction. That's also not environmentally friendly.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Just extraordinary. But we shouldn't be surprised by the Greens.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Now, there's been an amazing call by the British government
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: for people to prepare for the unexpected.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Let's have a look at this explainer.
• 37:49
  Speaker 9: The government's Be Ready checklist includes three litres of drinking
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: water per person per day, non-perishable food that doesn't need
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: refrigeration or cooking, enough essential medication... and baby and pet
• 38:02
  Speaker 9: supplies if needed.
• 38:04
  Speaker 13: We're having the conversation with people about being better prepared
• 38:08
  Speaker 13: because we're living in a world where unexpected events seem
• 38:12
  Speaker 13: to be becoming more and more common. It is just
• 38:15
  Speaker 13: having those supplies in the house to get you through
• 38:19
  Speaker 13: those moments.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Good Lord, Esther, they're getting the poms ready for the
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Battle of Britain again and there's been a run on toilet.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Paper and baked beans, as if those two don't go together.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: You would think.
• 38:32
  Speaker 20: I mean, I just do not want to remember the
• 38:35
  Speaker 20: COVID era where there was no loo roll. And so
• 38:38
  Speaker 20: some people had to resort to newspaper. I don't even
• 38:42
  Speaker 20: want to think about it. And the more insulting aspects
• 38:46
  Speaker 20: of this is, other than the fact that it's a
• 38:47
  Speaker 20: complete overreaction, is the vagueness that the government has issued
• 38:51
  Speaker 20: this warning with. It jumbled it all and said there's
• 38:55
  Speaker 20: cyber attacks everywhere. and then extreme climate, and all sorts
• 38:59
  Speaker 20: of things. And you just think, okay, but what about
• 39:02
  Speaker 20: our armed forces? I mean, the first announcement came from
• 39:04
  Speaker 20: Defense Secretary Wes Streeting, which every time I say that,
• 39:07
  Speaker 20: it makes me want to throw up a little bit
• 39:08
  Speaker 20: in my mouth, because this is the same man who,
• 39:11
  Speaker 20: during his short tenure as health secretary, tried to tell
• 39:14
  Speaker 20: the country that he had reduced NHS waiting lists by
• 39:17
  Speaker 20: hundreds of thousands, when in reality, many of those people
• 39:20
  Speaker 20: either went into private health care or died waiting. And
• 39:23
  Speaker 20: this man is now our defense secretary telling us to
• 39:26
  Speaker 20: stock up on tin fish.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: And water, in case... What, cyber attacks? I mean, it's
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: completely mad.
• 39:34
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's in case their renewable energy policies send
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: their country into a blackout for an extended period.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: But it seems a way to spread panic.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: The King is in the Caribbean and he's addressed that
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: part of the world, the slavery history there.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 39:53
  Speaker 21: It is only right that we should acknowledge the great
• 39:56
  Speaker 21: suffering and injustices of the past in these islands and
• 40:00
  Speaker 21: beyond even as we rejoice in the successes of the
• 40:05
  Speaker 21: present and build new opportunities for the future.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: That's only right and proper to recognise the past in
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: that way, isn't it, Esther?
• 40:15
  Speaker 20: I mean, at this point, I feel sorry for any
• 40:16
  Speaker 20: royal that goes to the Caribbean because you know that
• 40:19
  Speaker 20: you're going to hear noises about slavery reparations, which will
• 40:21
  Speaker 20: never happen. And it sounds like he has to keep
• 40:24
  Speaker 20: repeating this like a broken record. The reality is a
• 40:27
  Speaker 20: lot of the politicians in that part of the world
• 40:29
  Speaker 20: talk about slavery reparations when there's a royal visiting because
• 40:32
  Speaker 20: it's a good way to get people whipped up and
• 40:34
  Speaker 20: to distract from attention of their own poor governance. And
• 40:38
  Speaker 20: Britain will never pay slavery reparations because it doesn't make
• 40:41
  Speaker 20: any sense to ask people who were never slaves to
• 40:44
  Speaker 20: pay people reparations who never owned slaves. I mean, that's
• 40:47
  Speaker 20: what the argument boils down to. It's really that simple.
• 40:50
  Speaker 20: But we keep going around this. I mean, there's been
• 40:52
  Speaker 20: wall-to-wall coverage of this all over the UK. And it's
• 40:55
  Speaker 20: just the same topic over and over again. And it's just,
• 40:57
  Speaker 20: how long are we just going to keep torturing royals
• 40:59
  Speaker 20: that go to that part of the world to talk
• 41:00
  Speaker 20: about something that's not going to happen?
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: Those are not the lessons we should be drawing from history.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: They love to be woke, don't they, the royals? Someone
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: should rein them in. But I guess that's impossible.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Esther.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Esther Krakow all over in London, as ever.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: We've got to get to a break. We'll go to
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: the Wednesday wrangle after that with Justin and Jamie. There's
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: been a backflip on the great coffee cup back down.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Don't go away.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: OK, let's get into the Wednesday wrangle. On the desk
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: here with me is the host of the Just Jamie podcast,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Jamie Johnson.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Good to see you.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: And in the thriving metropolis of Melbourne is Justin Smith,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: writer and broadcaster. Let's start on the economy because that's
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: going to play into your state election there as well, Justin,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: and that is inflation results out today.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: We all expected this, Jamie.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: It's going to hit a lot of people hard because
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: interest rates on Melbourne Cup Day, they're going up for sure.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: It's inevitable now, isn't it?
• 41:55
  Speaker 19: And, you know, Angus Taylor said before that the average
• 41:58
  Speaker 19: Australian household, if they've got a $ 1. 2 million mortgage, they've
• 42:02
  Speaker 19: got to find $ 30, 000 more. In an electorate like where
• 42:06
  Speaker 19: I live, if they've got a $ 2 or a $ 3
• 42:08
  Speaker 19: million mortgage, they've got to find more than $ 72, 000. And,
• 42:13
  Speaker 19: you know, Jim Chalmers said in 2022 in the campaign
• 42:16
  Speaker 19: he was going to make your mortgages cheaper and bring
• 42:20
  Speaker 19: rent down.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: So good luck, guys.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and costs of living down and electricity prices down, down, down, down,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: he said, like one of those supermarket ads.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: But it's all gone up, up, up. Justin, people are
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: going to feel it pretty hard in Victoria, I would
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: have thought. Oh, yeah. Oh, hell yeah. I mean, it's
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: a massive belting.
• 42:39
  Speaker 22: And I guess the thing about inflation too is that
• 42:41
  Speaker 22: everybody's going to feel it.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: And, you know, which we are already. And then it
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: goes up again.
• 42:47
  Speaker 22: And then when we get the interest rate hikes, the
• 42:50
  Speaker 22: people paying mortgages are going to get that belting as well.
• 42:53
  Speaker 22: So they've got a double banger coming for them. It's
• 42:56
  Speaker 22: just it's a bad set of numbers. What can one say?
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Well, let's skip Albo because we've had enough of the
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: politicians and their spin. Let's have a listen to Brian
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Black from the Business Council of Australia. He tells us
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: that Victoria is the worst place in the country to try.
• 43:13
  Speaker 14: And Victoria is a long way behind and it has
• 43:18
  Speaker 14: a lot of work to do. Indeed, if you look
• 43:19
  Speaker 14: at our rankings this year compared to last year, relatively speaking,
• 43:23
  Speaker 14: Victoria has actually gone backwards. It came last in regulation
• 43:27
  Speaker 14: and fourth in planning last year. And this year, again,
• 43:30
  Speaker 14: relatively speaking, it came last in regulation and last in planning.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Well, Justin, the polls would tend to suggest that most
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Victorians understand that.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: What's your sense on the ground?
• 43:44
  Speaker 22: Look, this is not going to come as a shock
• 43:46
  Speaker 22: to the government, or at least it shouldn't, and it's
• 43:48
  Speaker 22: certainly not going to come as a shock to people
• 43:51
  Speaker 22: who are in small business. Now, obviously, look, it would
• 43:54
  Speaker 22: be pretty easy to say that the Business Council had
• 43:56
  Speaker 22: an agenda, but they're not alone. It's an agenda that
• 43:59
  Speaker 22: a lot of people got and have got. And in Victoria,
• 44:03
  Speaker 22: it just seems to be that it's become far too
• 44:06
  Speaker 22: tough to open a business and, sadly, way too easy
• 44:10
  Speaker 22: to close one. That's the kind of situation we're in.
• 44:13
  Speaker 22: And we've been in it for... And this is not,
• 44:15
  Speaker 22: you know, like... I'm not telling anybody anything new here,
• 44:18
  Speaker 22: but this hasn't happened in the last couple of weeks.
• 44:20
  Speaker 22: This has been playing out for years for small businesses.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got some news for you, Justin.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: They've got an agenda, and that is to make the
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: world good for business.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: And guess what?
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: If the world is good for business, then the world
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: is good because we get jobs, we get profits.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: We get taxation, we get prosperity. And Victoria's turned us
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: back on that for too long, Jamie. It has.
• 44:42
  Speaker 19: I mean, only a Labor government could look at somebody
• 44:45
  Speaker 19: wanting to start a cafe or a restaurant, wanting to
• 44:48
  Speaker 19: employ local people and produce wealth and pay taxes and
• 44:51
  Speaker 19: then say, I know, I'll create 34 hoops for you
• 44:55
  Speaker 19: to jump through before you sell a cappuccino.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Well, let's go to New South Wales, right, where there's
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: been this backdown. We talked last night about this ridiculous ruling.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: With coffee cuts.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Now, people contacted me, said we're over-egging it, they weren't
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: going to scrap them entirely. But over a series of years,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: the whole thing was going to be more keep cups
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: and the onus on the business to supply them and
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: hard to get a takeaway cup.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Just ridiculous. So they've backflipped today. Here's their environment minister.
• 45:21
  Speaker 16: They're going to not... require, you know, dine-in customers to
• 45:26
  Speaker 16: have to have a mug or a cup if that's
• 45:27
  Speaker 16: not what they currently have. And we're not making anyone
• 45:30
  Speaker 16: have to be involved in a mandatory reuse scheme. I'm
• 45:33
  Speaker 16: happy to take it that we haven't explained it properly.
• 45:36
  Speaker 16: But look, we get that people get very concerned about
• 45:39
  Speaker 16: the mandating and we're just not going to do it now.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: It's a pretty good... They listened at least, Jamie.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 45:47
  Speaker 19: They came out and said that it was a... I
• 45:48
  Speaker 19: think Chris Minn said it was a communication issue, that
• 45:51
  Speaker 19: messaging was the problem here.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: No, Chris, it's the policy. It's always the messaging, Justin,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: not the actual policy.
• 46:01
  Speaker 22: Mate, you would never see coffee getting messed with. I mean,
• 46:04
  Speaker 22: we've got plenty of problems here in Victoria, but you
• 46:07
  Speaker 22: would never see somebody messing with something like a latte... Look,
• 46:12
  Speaker 22: I've got to say, how the hell does this happen?
• 46:14
  Speaker 22: And we saw that with that credit card surcharge business.
• 46:18
  Speaker 22: Do we not have people that are paid somewhere along
• 46:22
  Speaker 22: the line to go and check to see whether it's viable,
• 46:25
  Speaker 22: whether it's the right thing to do, how it's going
• 46:28
  Speaker 22: to play out, what it's going to mean to people?
• 46:31
  Speaker 22: Who the hell are these people that make this decision?
• 46:34
  Speaker 22: before then it gets.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: To the government.
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's just.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: We see this all the time, do we not? It
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: is amazing. You're right. When something's been implemented, then they
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: have to say, oh, it wasn't right. It shows that
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: they're not living in the real world.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: They're living in some sort of bubble and they put
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: it out there and then when the policy lands in
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: the real world, they realise, guess what? Next to no-one
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: supports it. Let's go to something else. We talked about
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: this last night on the program. I want to refresh
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: your memory.
• 47:00
  Speaker 14: OK.
• 47:01
  Speaker 23: Does the Commission interpret Section 7AA as providing breastfeeding discrimination
• 47:06
  Speaker 23: protections to a biological male who identifies as a woman
• 47:10
  Speaker 23: and induces lactation?
• 47:16
  Speaker 9: Yes, Senator.
• 47:17
  Speaker 23: Do you believe that the protections are specifically intended for
• 47:23
  Speaker 23: pregnancy and breastfeeding should apply to biological males?
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: That's the question.
• 47:27
  Speaker 23: I don't believe you've been asked that before.
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: It's a matter of opinion and I'm not... It's not
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: a matter of opinion. My role is not to provide
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: a matter of opinion.
• 47:33
  Speaker 19: My role is to give you an answer in relation
• 47:36
  Speaker 19: to what the law says under the sex discrimination law.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: No, it's not.
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: You've refused to answer any of my questions with all.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Due respect, Commissioner.
• 47:43
  Speaker 15: Senator Cash, Senator Black has the call.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wrong grab there, I suppose.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: But they go on to say that lactating men are
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: subject to the same protections... as anybody else who's breastfeeding.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: It's mad stuff. It's such mind-numbing wokeness at your expense
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: that have a look at this. A UN official has
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: criticised it. You've got to be pretty woke, Jamie, and
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: pretty ridiculous when the UN says you've gone too far.
• 48:15
  Speaker 19: Speaking of the real world, exactly. The problem is we
• 48:17
  Speaker 19: have 154 people employed in our human rights department. And
• 48:23
  Speaker 19: Gigi Foster said on your show just a few minutes
• 48:26
  Speaker 19: ago that when there's bad policy, it leads to hiring
• 48:29
  Speaker 19: more people. The taxpayer spends $ 42 million a year on
• 48:33
  Speaker 19: these departments. Sex discrimination, race discrimination, age discrimination.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Does my head in. Does it. More than your head in.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Just unbelievable. Thanks for joining us. We are out of time.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Jamie Johnston and Justin Smith will catch you next week.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Coming up next is Peter Credlin. I'll see you tomorrow
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: at five.