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The World Is Your Oyster in the Elevator Trade | Ryan Jones · The Elevator Careers Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: There's just so many avenues you can go down.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I know plenty of people that you know they've been in the field for five, ten, fifteen years, and they said, Well, I think I'm done turning wrenches and they go into the office.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: There's just there's so many avenues you can go down, whether that's in the office or starting your own company or you know, starting a consulting firm.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's the world is your oyster, whatever you want to put into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hello, and welcome to the Elevator Careers Podcast, sponsored by the Allred Group.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: I am your host, Matt Allred.
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  SPEAKER_01: In this podcast, we talk to the people whose lives and careers are dedicated to the vertical transportation industry to inform and share lessons learned, building upon the foundation of those who have gone before to inspire the next generation of elevator careers.
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  SPEAKER_01: What if the only thing between you and a great career was showing up with the right attitude?
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  SPEAKER_01: In this episode, I talked to Ryan Jones, an elevator pro whose journey started with a little bit of encouragement from his then girlfriend's dad and grew into a full-blown career in the trade.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ryan's story is a reminder that no one starts out knowing everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: But those who bring a desire to learn can go far.
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  SPEAKER_01: From climbing into escalator pits to reprogramming controllers, Ryan shares the hard-earned lessons, funny moments, and the mindset that keeps him passionate about the elevator industry.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, Ryan, welcome to the show.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Happy to be here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm I'm excited.
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  SPEAKER_01: Always, always a pleasure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I enjoy these conversations.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: I enjoy talking to people like yourself that that have interesting, fascinating, uh just the careers in the elevator industry and the people that that do them is uh is a lot of fun for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um uh remind me, you're in uh Denver, Colorado, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yep, I'm in Denver.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um been in the trade coming up on 10 years now.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: Cool, cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: How did you how did you get started in the first place?
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  SPEAKER_01: What was it that kind of made that happen for you?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I was dating uh a pretty girl, and her dad was like, hey man, I think he might be able to do this.
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  SPEAKER_00: I provided, you know, for my family for however many years, and it's done well for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I ended up marrying her and got in the trade, and uh the rest is history, I guess.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, I mean those family connections uh work for a lot of people, you know, and you even if you have to marry into them to to make them family, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's it worked out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it did, definitely.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, had you ever thought of elevators prior to that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Had it even crossed your mind?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, they were just a magic box.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've never never thought about the people who worked on these.
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  SPEAKER_00: Figured it was a general contractor or maybe an electrician or something.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: What kind of work were you do prior to that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Anything from building decks to excavation to general construction, just okay, trying a few things out before I found what I really wanted to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Gotcha, gotcha.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when when did it click?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh I'm I'm sure there was some question about I don't know, do I really want to work on those?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, is you know, these magic boxes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, it took a couple years, and uh the first year was you know construction, just like I think it's one of the better routes for people to come through, figure out how things work from the ground up.
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  SPEAKER_00: And after that first year, I ended up working on some escalators.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was pretty intimidating.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tell me more about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: What's what's the most intimidating about those?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, you just see all these all these uh you know stairs and teeth and gears and a lot of heavy machinery and not not as many sensors as you'd think to you know protect you as like an elevator would.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, you gotta crawl down in these things to clean them out.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's uh it was more than I bargained for that's at that point.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I've heard you know, they're different different animal, obviously, different game, but uh I get in the Atlanta airport and I'm looking at okay, there's about 500 people on this escalator, you know, it's hauling us to the top of the tunnel.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, man, if that were to ever break, I mean, we'd it'd be a nasty slippery slide.
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  SPEAKER_00: Definitely, definitely not good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So glad I have to have people like you out there working on them, you know, keeping them up and running.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh, so it sounds like escalators are maybe not your favorite thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, well, I just I didn't have much experience on them.
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  SPEAKER_00: I ended up moving back from Salt Lake after I got in the trade and left that venture behind.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it was um it was short-lived, but I didn't hate it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Gotcha, gotcha.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, you just had more than I bargained for, so I was curious.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but uh, I'm sure it's uh eye-opening experience to crack one of those open and climb down in the pit, and who knows what you're gonna find down in there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, no doubt.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so uh back from Utah and uh haven't really done a lot of escalator since.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, never really had the opportunity, you know, busy doing other projects.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we have we have some guys that are really good at escalators, and you know, if that's what they want to do, more power to them.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know there's a lot of them out at DIA, whatever, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: A lot of areas in and around Denver that uh I used to live out there 20 years ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um they're out there.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's probably a few more than you remember that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure there are.
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you said it took a couple years to for it to click.
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  SPEAKER_01: What was it that kind of you know, uh I guess came to life for you?
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  SPEAKER_01: It was like, yeah, this this is what I was looking for, even though it sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, it was it was a couple years in construction, and then uh I moved into a modernization department with uh a guy who was getting ready to retire.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and you know, just seeing the ins and outs, and now you have to make the old work with the new, and how it can be a challenge more so than um can you know different than construction.
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  SPEAKER_00: I enjoyed that aspect of making the old stuff run and keeping those going while you're trying to put some new stuff in the building and figure out how how to make the old stuff work with these new equipment that you want.
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  SPEAKER_00: You want it to make it you know smoother, you want to make it look new.
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  SPEAKER_00: Figuring out how to make all that happen was was a lot of fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it was a mod kind of came to life for you.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's uh that's cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've I've been told that it's you know more complex.
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  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, I've never done a mod, so I don't have any experience, but it but it makes sense to me.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if you're trying to marry up old and new and they're 30 years different, and you know, did the controllers even talk to each other?
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: Do they not?
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: Make some IO boards and these inputs fire those outputs, you make them talk eventually.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's I mean, uh just because of the creativity, right, that it takes to get the get the message across.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean I I guess I didn't realize you were making the boards and and kind of I guess that's when they're talking about prints, right?
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: If you can get the print, then you can you you know fix anything is what I've been told.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: That kind of the same idea.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a lot of fun creating creating circuits, and uh, you know, one of the big ones like fire service to overlay, make sure that things are happening.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, your supervisor gives you a pile of relays and bases and says, can you make it work?
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: I I guess we have to.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, and and uh obviously you got a team and you you've got people you can can call on.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so as a as a team, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: If you can't figure it out, I mean, especially when you're when you're new, I don't know what at what point they turn you loose on those.
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  SPEAKER_01: I guess once you get your license, but even then, there's gonna be stuff you haven't seen or don't recognize.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is that fair to say?
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing more confident than a fourth-year apprentice.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's seen everything, he knows everything, and then as soon as he turns out, it's like, oof, man, I need to review this my my contact book and see who knows what again.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just kind of like you know, no more training reels, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You you're out there, you know, what can you do?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um, and that, yeah, I'm curious.
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  SPEAKER_01: How do you approach you know the training, the uh the mentoring of apprentices?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you've had a few come through.
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  SPEAKER_01: What what to you is most critical to make sure that they're you know ready for that that fourth year?
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, is as long as they have the want to, that that's that's the biggest thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have a lot of guys um that really want to, and it's definitely appreciated.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then some this is just another job.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's just one of those things where it says, Well, I I can only teach you so much if you don't learn stuff on your own.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you get you get out what you put in, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So uh if you if you want to go home and study these brands and you know study the manuals, great, that but you'll be a huge asset.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you don't, some people can get away with it and still prove themselves pretty well without doing that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But um yeah, the biggest thing, the biggest thing for me is you have to want to.
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  SPEAKER_01: For sure, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like in anything, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: But once you once you have that desire and once you really apply yourself, you it just seems like it would open up all kinds of doors, right?
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: You would have knowledge that nobody can force it into you.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: You you've gotta you gotta consume it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, there was uh plenty of classes offered through different employers on different products.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I wouldn't, you know, I recommend people never turn any of those down.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a feather in your cap, they just they can't take away from you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um that's that's a big one.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: Hey everyone, thank you for listening.
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• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: And now back to the show.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: What would you say is the most difficult part of the job?
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe that changes over the years, but uh for uh for a while it was it was customer relations.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, coming from construction, it's like, well, you know, a lot of construction language being thrown around.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: And um that that's not gonna fly in a fully occupied office building, you know, when you're talking to nice people in suits and stuff like that.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so that was that was a challenge for sure.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: And uh from the just uh the every every day you're you're gonna come up upon something where hopefully you can learn from it.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, never a dull moment.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: Did you ever have did the customer relations piece ever bite you in the butt?
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: Did you ever have any moments where like, um whoops?
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, there was nothing that really jumped out.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I had some mentors who just said, hey, just I understand you're from instructions, let's just take a backseat, you know, just follow my lead.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, good night.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Nice, nice.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's funny.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: They they saw you coming, right?
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you've been over there.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just have this lesson before we get in front of anybody, and and we'll be okay.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: And um I mean it's only it probably didn't take long for you to realize, oh, this is a different conversation, right?
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: This is oh, definitely, yeah, yeah.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, night and day.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and like you say, especially you know, fully occupied, you know, you got people in and out, and you're trying to yeah, trying to do your work and they're trying to do theirs, and and so it's uh a little different world than a completely empty uh construction environment.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, yep.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me about one of the coolest projects you ever worked on.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: What was it that really stuck out to you?
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we had um we had a project, it was two towers, uh, four cars per tower working on traction stuff.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: And the the machine, you know, we think of traction cars, and normally they're they're overhead.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, these were all basement traction machines, and they the the configuration setup was one where you couldn't pull the machines out of the machine room.
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  SPEAKER_00: You actually had to hoist the elevator above the first floor, stick a beam in the hole, hoist it up, put it out on the first floor, take it out through the lobby, and do the same thing with the new one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um between the logistics and trying to explain to the customer, you know, this is why we're gonna be shutting down this lobby for a few hours this day.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um it was it was unique.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: It was unique.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds very unique.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when you say basement units, not being an elevator expert myself, does that mean the machine rooms in the bottom versus up on the roof?
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: Is that that's exactly right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, I'm trying, I'm just trying to think what the ropes do, right?
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm I have seen them, you know, kind of up and over, and here's the counterweight.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: So if machine room's down there, is it just looped a few more times, it still goes up and down, or or or was it something different altogether?
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean it from the counterweight went up over shiv down to the drive shiv, which is the machine, and then back up over a couple more deflectors and out to the car.
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  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So a lot more, a lot more cable than a one.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say, it sounds like yeah, a lot more rope going on for sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, certainly a challenge, and like I say, it's certain certainly something you you learn from.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I did want to ask you a little bit about, you know, one of the things that I've run into a lot, and I think a lot of people do, just in the elevator industry, it is a specialty, it is very niche.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, there seems to be a shortage, certain jobs, certain cities, certain times, certain places, whether it's um, I'm gonna hear it all the time from from residential companies just having a hard time.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: What would you what would you say are the challenges that you see when it comes to recruiting new talent?
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, our our outreach is there, it's no longer a secret.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to know your, you know, your your brother-in-law.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to marry into the family to get hires.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, sometimes it does make it easier.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um so outreach isn't really the problem.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think some of it is we we have trouble explaining what it is we do day to day.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm sure it could be intimidating to a lot of applicants or people who would be applicants.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's that's a big challenge.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone says, well man, it's it's gotta be a tough job.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, for some people it is, for some people it isn't.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe maybe this is your thing.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then through our our recruitment process, there is such a long wait period from when you interview to when you may get called.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um you know, some people find other jobs that they really enjoy.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: So that's you know, a candidate that would have been really good says, Well, I I found something else.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, yep.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, no, that makes sense.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: What what would you say is the one one of the most important attributes that somebody would need to have to to be successful to do what you do?
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh again, the want to and you know, just basic understanding of of tools.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's nothing more frustrating.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, no, I need this wrench.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they hand you a screwdriver or something.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's there's some some some wild folks out there, they just don't get it.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: And they don't they just never had that that upbringing.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's okay.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: It takes all shots.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: Some some some basic skills, you know, here's a tape measure, here's how you read it, right?
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: Some things like that that um work, but but like you said, it's really that want-to.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, even if the person that doesn't know what a screwdriver is or how to read a tape measure with a want-to, they can they can learn it, they can absolutely figure it out.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so you you work for some big companies and and a smaller, more independent company.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: What would you say are some of the biggest differences that you've noticed?
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, the bigger companies they offered more training on their products because you know it's national or international companies most of the time that you know they want people to to install their stuff and install it well.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's something I really appreciated.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, smaller companies, when you call into the call center, oh hey, Ryan, how's it going?
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's not oh well, can I get your employee ID number?
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, sure.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: So that's the big one for me, just the the culture of you know, everyone is on the same team, and you know, we have we have the same goal in mind.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's important.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, yeah, and I I do hear that.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh just you know, like I said, kind of the the culture, the community, the the camaraderie, um, you know, just like I say, knowing you're on the the same team.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um so very cool.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: What uh what would you say makes the elevator industry unique compared to other trades?
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, you're often rubbing shoulders with or bumping into all kinds of trades on construction sites or yeah, no doubt about it.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: There's just so much to do in this in this trade, you know, whether it be stacking rails, building parse things, pulling wire, terminating wires, wiring things up, troubleshooting, adjusting.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: But then there's you know, the side of, well, are you gonna be the hydraulic guy and you know deal with more tank units and stuff like that, or you want to be a traction guy?
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: And then there's you know, even Lulas and residential lifts, and there's just so many avenues you can go down.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I know plenty of people that you know they've been in the field for five, ten, fifteen years, and they said, Well, I I think I'm done turning wrenches and they go into the office.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh there's just there's so many avenues you can go down.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um whether that's in the office or starting your own company or you know, starting a consulting firm.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's it's the world is your oyster, whatever you want to put into it.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's it's wide open, like I say, especially as you dig in, you you feel comfortable, you feel confident.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, you could do all kinds of you know, consulting, inspecting, you know, whatever the the case may be, what whatever you like, and and uh it sounds like it's it's never boring, right?
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: It there's always something new to learn, there's always something different to do.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um seems like it's uh definitely keeps you engaged and uh yeah, and not bored.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um it'll keep you on your toes.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's got to, right?
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's it's high risk, right?
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: If you're not on your toes, you might end up losing one or or worse, right?
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: You you gotta be paying attention.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: What would what would you say keeps you passionate about the industry?
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'd say just that.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's always something new to learn.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Whether you've uh you know, you've you've gone through the field and you feel like maybe that's not your thing, and um you'd like to learn maybe the business side of it, or if you go through and you say, you know what, I've I feel like I've really got a grasp on this, and maybe I'd like to give back and kind of teach, you know, in our industry as well.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: There's there's so many options you have.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: So um as we're we're kind of getting towards the end of our time here, uh, last question I want to ask is what advice would you give to somebody who's who's either brand new or maybe they're just considering, maybe they're on the fence just thinking, is that something really that I really want to do?
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean the thing I tell my my new apprentices is, hey man, you're not expected to know anything.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: I need you to know some wrenches, basic hand tools, but I don't need you to know how to work on an elevator, build an elevator.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's okay.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's what you're expected to do.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: I just need you to be here and want to.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's I mean, it's uh obviously a huge thing to just show up, have the right desire, right?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: And and the fact that you're not expected to to know everything, um, it's probably a good thing, right?
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, you'd get somebody who's, you know, oh, I know how to do this, right?
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: Only to mess something up or yeah, we've we've had those people.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: I imagine you have had some of those people, and and uh maybe it doesn't last super long if they if they can't learn to to be humble enough to be taught.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, learning learning how to learn is is really important in any any aspect of life, I think.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: Anything else you want to share before we close out?
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: Not too much.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, final words, just you get out what you put in.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well said, well said, Ryan, thank you so much for being with me today.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate it.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me.
• 21:44
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• 21:51
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• 22:00
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