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Patriots Unfiltered 2/20: Matthew Slater's Retirement Announcement, Coaching Staff Update, Which Draft QB Has Best Fit · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Watch out. Evan's on edge right now. Evan's on edge,
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  Speaker 4: I'm mad Jersey Mike's closed again. They should be focused
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  Speaker 4: on staff in players now. Then they can make sure
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  Speaker 4: Evan approves later.
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  Speaker 1: The tone of this.
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  Speaker 5: I am giving you a chance. I have concerns. Is
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  Speaker 5: that not allowed?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? I agree with Evan.
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  Speaker 4: This has to be the worst off season of coach
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  Speaker 4: Mayo's career, and she.
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  Speaker 5: And I was like, oh my god, you told me
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  Speaker 5: you wanted to even hire me to Happy birthday, Jess
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome into Patriots Unfiltered. And that's right, folks.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry you're hearing Duce's voice because Fred and Paul are
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  Speaker 1: out today. We got the kids. We brought in Matisa
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  Speaker 1: from the halftime show. We got the call up. So
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  Speaker 1: it's Tamara, it's Alex, it's Evan, it's Deuced, it's Matis.
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  Speaker 1: We got the whole crew. Matt is here in the booth. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the guys are a vacation. I think I think Fred's
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  Speaker 1: probably somewhre tropical. I'm gonna guess Ruba, now that sounds
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  Speaker 1: about right. And Pilads getting drip stuff on his shirt
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  Speaker 1: probably uh. And Paul doing school tours and and all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of things. Watch out for that kid's broken.
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  Speaker 5: The kids are taking over.
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  Speaker 6: Watch out, am I kid?
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  Speaker 1: Am I kid?
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  Speaker 5: You're like at the you know, the holidays, Like you're
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  Speaker 5: like the guy sitting at the kids table that doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: Really I'm cool, I'm hip. What are you guys? What's
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  Speaker 1: what's the rizz?
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  Speaker 8: It's a relief Sometimes move is actually really hip, like
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  Speaker 8: so hip hip.
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  Speaker 5: If you're at like a wedding, the kids buffet is
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  Speaker 5: the way, like, oh don't don't you know crummy adult food,
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  Speaker 5: go over to.
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  Speaker 1: The kids, right, guy who shows chicken tenders over prime rib,
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  Speaker 1: that's right, folks, he's here. You can call in you yea.
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  Speaker 5: I mean that's a bad take.
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  Speaker 3: Make an answer for that today.
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  Speaker 1: So we got a Wiley crew here today, and there's
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  Speaker 1: actually quite a few things to talk about here. Over
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  Speaker 1: the last few days, we've had Patriots and now coaches.
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  Speaker 1: We can get into that we got the franchise tag deadline?
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  Speaker 1: Is that I think it's day Evan, Is that correct? Yes?
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  Speaker 5: Four o'clock is today? Is that when you can start
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  Speaker 5: tagging people?
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  Speaker 1: Four o'clock today, guy and Phillips reportedly released slater retirement,
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  Speaker 1: I mean Dynasty one and two. So we got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of different stuff to get to today, but let's
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  Speaker 1: let's start off at the top here with Matthew Slater
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  Speaker 1: officially announcing his retirement. I know everybody here hates Matthew
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  Speaker 1: Slater and thinks he's just a jerk, and so we're
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  Speaker 1: all gonna air our grievances. No, of course, opposite, everybody
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  Speaker 1: loves Matthew Slater. What a leader he's been here forever.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have been, you know, right up
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  Speaker 1: working with him, a bunch with social media stuff, always
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  Speaker 1: happy to talk in the locker room, always happy to
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  Speaker 1: stand up after you know, a handful of difficult seasons
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  Speaker 1: the last few years. So just I guess start with
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  Speaker 1: you guys. Well, you know, Tamara, you spoke plenty with
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  Speaker 1: Matthew Slater, did plenty with him. What are your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on on his retirement?
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  Speaker 9: Here I'm devastated one because now it took us about
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  Speaker 9: twenty minutes to find out who the oldest person in
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  Speaker 9: the locker room was, to figure out who are we
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  Speaker 9: gonna use for our old people, what we're gonna do.
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  Speaker 9: But no, seriously, I think he's been just so like
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  Speaker 9: amazing to see because one since I've been here, he's
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  Speaker 9: been here, and losing Devin, I was like, Okay, Slater's
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  Speaker 9: the only person I have to rely on now after losses,
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  Speaker 9: get an interview with and he's just an exemplary person
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  Speaker 9: and just has great leadership. He's a great human being.
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  Speaker 9: Obviously great teammate, and I think it's gonna be tough
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  Speaker 9: to replace him, Like obviously big part on special teams,
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  Speaker 9: but even more so as a leader in the locker room.
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  Speaker 9: You don't get guys like Slater in the in the
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  Speaker 9: in the locker room often and it's hard to emulate that.
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  Speaker 9: And so just looking in the locker room now, I'm
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  Speaker 9: trying to figure out who's gonna fill his shoes, because
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  Speaker 9: mighty shoes to fill it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, especially that aspect, Like the one thing
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  Speaker 8: I appreciate the most of him is I feel like
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  Speaker 8: he would lock eyes with like you me or Sailor
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  Speaker 8: before leaving the locker room, we're in his vicinity, like
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  Speaker 8: just like a knowing glance that you would share, just like, Hey,
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  Speaker 8: are you guys good? Do you need anything from me
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  Speaker 8: before I leave? Do you need me to do a
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  Speaker 8: stupid TikTok? Do you need me to get a shout out?
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  Speaker 8: Like he just wanted to make sure we were good
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  Speaker 8: before he would.
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  Speaker 3: Leave for the day.
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  Speaker 8: And that was like cool because no matter what day
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  Speaker 8: it was, no matter what the record was, not every
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  Speaker 8: guy was like that, right, And our players are great,
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  Speaker 8: they they really do participate.
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  Speaker 1: Shutt ki right. I always he didn't even have ttok
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  Speaker 1: Sailor MVP.
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  Speaker 3: And like we're Sailors MVPs this year.
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  Speaker 8: But I just always appreciated that he was so personable
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  Speaker 8: and I thought about like what I was going to
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  Speaker 8: tweet out and I erase like a lot of things.
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  Speaker 8: But I just feel like it was great to root
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  Speaker 8: with him as a fan and like that saying don't
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  Speaker 8: meet your heroes, like, don't meet your heroes unless their
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  Speaker 8: Matthew Slater, because he's so much better than you expect
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  Speaker 8: him to be, and he just the energy he radiates
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  Speaker 8: makes you want to be a better person when you're
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  Speaker 8: around him, and that's how I always felt that.
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  Speaker 9: I like that you said that one more thing before
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  Speaker 9: Evan goes the last game in the locker room. Well,
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  Speaker 9: in the locker room after the game, everyone was going
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  Speaker 9: up to him, Like every single reporter went up to him,
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  Speaker 9: just like thanking him for his time. We assumed it
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  Speaker 9: was his last. I literally couldn't even say two words
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  Speaker 9: I had to go up to him. I was like,
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  Speaker 9: if I say anything, I'm just gonna cry, And so
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  Speaker 9: that's all I could say. He's like, I appreciate that
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  Speaker 9: because I know what you mean. Like, just watching the
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  Speaker 9: amount of people go up to him at his very
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  Speaker 9: last game was incredible, not just his teammates but reporters.
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  Speaker 9: Every single person went.
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  Speaker 10: Up to him.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you know, Alex, you mentioned rooting for
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  Speaker 5: him as a fan, And I think the cool thing
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  Speaker 5: about our job is that we get that unique perspective
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  Speaker 5: of going from a fan of the Patriots and then
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  Speaker 5: working for the Patriots inside the locker room and things
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  Speaker 5: like that. And I remember, you know, early on in
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  Speaker 5: his career, before I became a reporter, watching Matthew Slater
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  Speaker 5: rooting for Matthew Slater, and him and Devin mccordy are
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  Speaker 5: the two guys that I was huge fans of as
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  Speaker 5: a fan that lived up to the hype and then
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  Speaker 5: some when you meet them in person, like they are
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  Speaker 5: everything that you expect. And Matthew Slater is one of
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  Speaker 5: the most unique people I've ever met, like forget about football,
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  Speaker 5: like just in terms of his personality and his character
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  Speaker 5: and all those types of things. Not only did you
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  Speaker 5: feel smarter after talking to him for five minutes, but
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  Speaker 5: you also wanted to run through a wall for the guy.
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  Speaker 5: So you can understand from a leadership perspective why he
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  Speaker 5: was so valuable to this team. And I hope that
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  Speaker 5: when it comes to things like Hall of Fame and
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  Speaker 5: career accolades, that can't be understated how important he was
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  Speaker 5: as a leader for this football team and as a
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  Speaker 5: messenger for this football team. He was the heartbeat of
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots for many, many years, and that I don't
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  Speaker 5: think you can sum up with ten time Pro Bowler
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  Speaker 5: and led the special teams in this and led that.
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  Speaker 5: So when they do get to the Hall of Fame,
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  Speaker 5: you know committee, which I think he will be on
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  Speaker 5: a ballot at some point and someone I hope that
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  Speaker 5: whoever gets to make that pitch is someone that actually
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  Speaker 5: covered Matthew Slater on a day to day basis, because
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  Speaker 5: you wouldn't understand how much he actually meant to the
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  Speaker 5: organization into the team unless you were in the locker
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  Speaker 5: room because it isn't forward facing all the time. And
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  Speaker 5: in terms of his post playing career, I hope that
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  Speaker 5: there is a future for him, whether it's special teams related, coaching,
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  Speaker 5: a character coach, you know, whatever the title is. I
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  Speaker 5: just hope that they're able to keep him around and
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  Speaker 5: allow him to continue to do the leadership stuff.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I'll say I'm not in the locker room as
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  Speaker 6: much as tamorn Alex, but last year working on the
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  Speaker 6: retirement house, as Evan says, like you know, Slater is
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  Speaker 6: a fan, but that was my first time really working
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  Speaker 6: with him, and like nicest guy ever walked up, introduced himself,
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  Speaker 6: would do whatever we asked, like for the whole first
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  Speaker 6: half of the day long ruling days and like just
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  Speaker 6: once you get to know him off the field, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: like Tamara said, I don't know how you replace somebody
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  Speaker 6: like like that in the locker room. But once again,
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  Speaker 6: like there are not many guys like him left in
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  Speaker 6: the league in general, the world, in the world, but
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  Speaker 6: like unique player like as a person and just a
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  Speaker 6: playing style special teams players.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean it's funny, like I I'm old enough, kids,
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  Speaker 1: sit down, No, I I remember that draft, and I
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  Speaker 1: remember when they selected him. And this has happened so
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  Speaker 1: many times over the years, where what he doesn't even
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  Speaker 1: have a college position, Like people were so mad like
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  Speaker 1: that he was not a receiver, like just they couldn't
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  Speaker 1: believe that, you know that that Belichick had drafted you know,
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  Speaker 1: special teams only got with like the six round. I
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  Speaker 1: think it was out of UCLA. So I so clearly
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  Speaker 1: remember that and then for him to you know, carve
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  Speaker 1: out the career that he did. The other kind of
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  Speaker 1: funny note, I mean, you guys gave him all the
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  Speaker 1: you know, the praise that he deserves. I just remember,
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  Speaker 1: like certainly in like twenty ten, eleven twelve, they were
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  Speaker 1: kind of struggling with receivers a little bit, and like
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  Speaker 1: when they were really really hurting, that's when they put
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  Speaker 1: Matthew Slater out to like go run, just like just
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  Speaker 1: run to go route, just use your speed, get downfield.
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  Speaker 1: Tom's gonna chuck a bomb to you. I think he
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  Speaker 1: caught one pass yeah in his career, But that that always, like,
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  Speaker 1: of all the things that you love about that, that
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  Speaker 1: was the one thing that kind of always annoyed me.
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  Speaker 1: Was like, Oh God, here we go again. They're gonna
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  Speaker 1: try this Slater thing. I wonder what he's gonna do,
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  Speaker 1: like just run right down the field everybody. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it was funny. I mean, they got away from that
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  Speaker 1: later in the career, in his career, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just wondering what it's gonna be like in training
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  Speaker 1: camp when we don't see one guy getting a private
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  Speaker 1: lesson the whole pretty much the whole.
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  Speaker 6: Practice guy breaking up the fights, like.
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  Speaker 1: I know, and then you know, and then just real quick,
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  Speaker 1: we got you know, somebody wrote in kind of kind
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  Speaker 1: of topical Sam big Canoe. He just said, Sam from
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  Speaker 1: Saint Catherine's. With the retirement of Slater, who do you
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  Speaker 1: guys think will take on the role of being the
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  Speaker 1: all yeah guy for the breakdown post victories or do
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  Speaker 1: you think in the new era they will stop doing
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  Speaker 1: it all together and create a new tradition.
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  Speaker 5: I say, create a new tradition yeah, I think you
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  Speaker 5: have to retire that with him.
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  Speaker 6: Tell your idea.
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  Speaker 1: Not totally my idea, I think it was. It was
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  Speaker 1: I think a little bit Fred's actually, but to kind
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  Speaker 1: of give that to the fans and maybe, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I know it's hard to start a new tradition, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, kind of make it a thing like another
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  Speaker 1: Patriots first down. Ah yeah, you know the whole crowd,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Quick aside though, when the first time we
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  Speaker 1: got to do Tomorrow night. Sometimes we go out, we
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  Speaker 1: get the training camp crowd whipped up into into a
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  Speaker 1: lather before the practice. You know, we're like, this is
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  Speaker 1: what you're going to see.
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  Speaker 9: People.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like, oh my god, this is so exciting
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  Speaker 1: Tamara right now are coming out here. And so my
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  Speaker 1: first time doing it, I was like, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: hit him with the oh yeah, like I'm thinking I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing super fan, Patriots super fan. I know the locker
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  Speaker 1: room all yet. So I come running out, you know,
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  Speaker 1: down the sidelines, and I think, actually, this might have
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  Speaker 1: been the year before Tomay. I think it was with
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  Speaker 1: Scal I don't know, maybe maybe it might have been
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  Speaker 1: the year before you were there. Maybe not. I remember
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  Speaker 1: going out with Scale because he looked at me like
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  Speaker 1: it was crazy, and I did the how do we
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  Speaker 1: feel about being back at Patriots training camp? I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: come on, you guys don't know this one, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean late last year though, we saw they didn't
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  Speaker 1: do that cheer, and everybody's like, what the hell is
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  Speaker 1: going on? But I think you're right. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's probably time to to retire that one. I'm
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  Speaker 1: amazed that it made it past the Bruski part of
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  Speaker 1: the dynasty, which we can obviously get into the dynasty
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. That that cheer is a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of part of it. Hard to kind of think of
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  Speaker 1: something organic, but just weird to see Slater go out
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  Speaker 1: the door as the new regime comes in, and it's it's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just an opportunity. I feel like to kind
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  Speaker 1: of completely turn the door, to turn the page from
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  Speaker 1: from a few different things.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I think the next next thing you
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  Speaker 5: also kind of wonder is, you know, David Ann and
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  Speaker 5: some of the other guys that are still hanging on
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  Speaker 5: from from the dynasty, if you will, how much longer
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  Speaker 5: do those guys have and at what point are we
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  Speaker 5: all going to walk into the locker room at some
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  Speaker 5: point and nobody's going to be left. You know, it's
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  Speaker 5: gonna just be all new faces. And that's that's gonna
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  Speaker 5: be weird. That's that's gonna be weird. I mean, we
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  Speaker 5: already don't have Devin, we don't have James White. Now
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  Speaker 5: we don't have Matthew Slater.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's getting there, and it's like Whise kind of
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  Speaker 1: Bentley Wise.
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  Speaker 5: Andrews, John Jones maybe. Yeah, I mean Andrews is really
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  Speaker 5: the last guy that I truly like identify with.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone else is so dynasty like it was a starter,
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  Speaker 1: play a ton keep part of all those championships. Well,
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  Speaker 1: of course, we we wish Matthew Slater the best, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, we'll see. I know there's tons of messages
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  Speaker 1: coming out from everybody acknowledging him and his great career.
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  Speaker 1: So great for him and and not entirely unexpected, but
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  Speaker 1: but plenty of other stuff to kind of to move
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  Speaker 1: on to here. I know it hasn't been officially announced
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  Speaker 1: by the team yet, but Lawrence Guy Adrian Phillips rumored
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  Speaker 1: not rumored, reportedly to be released. We haven't announced it yet,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sure that that will probably be coming soon.
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  Speaker 1: I think at least Guy acknowledged it on Twitter. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about the defensive line. Just
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  Speaker 1: all those guys are up for next year and Guy
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  Speaker 1: is thirty five, played at high level last year, though
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  Speaker 1: I thought like didn't really drop off too much, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just starting with him, we have hit on that being
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  Speaker 1: a position of long term need and older position group.
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  Speaker 1: You know, what do you guys just think about about
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  Speaker 1: them moving on from Guy?
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  Speaker 9: Now?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that, Well, my first initial reaction is,
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  Speaker 5: is this Mayo sort of foreshadowing that they're not going
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  Speaker 5: to be this two gapping three hundred and thirty pound
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  Speaker 5: DT's playing a defensive end and you know, pull the
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  Speaker 5: point of attack type of defense. Are they going to
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  Speaker 5: be a little bit more of an attack minded, you know,
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  Speaker 5: get up the field type of scheme. And I'm all
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  Speaker 5: for that. I think that especially in today, in the
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  Speaker 5: modern NFL, it's it's definitely where the league is heading
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  Speaker 5: as a whole. But I also wonder are there guys
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  Speaker 5: already on the roster that they look at that they say, well,
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: in terms of rotational type of players, you know as
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: Sam Roberts, Jeremiah Farms, who came on a little bit
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: at the end of last year. Are those guys able
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: to play a little bit more? I think that Lawrence guys.
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: You know, if Paul was here, he would say, you
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: know that that guy's extinct, right, Like, we don't need
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: we don't need to have be paying these types of
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: players that are only going to play on rundowns and
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: are going to just two gap and hold up blockers
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: and things like that. We don't have to be paying
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: them all this money and uh. And maybe that is
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: a sign that other places in the roster, including defensive line,
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: are going to start to reflect some of that. And
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: I think Slater retiring is another thing, like how many
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: special teams only guys are they really going to have
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: in this new regime is I don't think it's going
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: to be anywhere near as many as it was with Bill.
• 15:52
  Speaker 9: So I feel like when I saw it, I kind
• 15:55
  Speaker 9: of thought about last year, when you know, the reports
• 15:57
  Speaker 9: were out that he was holding out for more money,
• 15:59
  Speaker 9: and I think this year, I'm sure he's gonna want
• 16:02
  Speaker 9: more money again. And I think that finally we're looking
• 16:04
  Speaker 9: at the roster and seeing like, Okay, hey, we can't
• 16:06
  Speaker 9: afford to give Lawrence Guy more money, we really need
• 16:09
  Speaker 9: to use those resources for offense and other holes that
• 16:11
  Speaker 9: we have. So that was kind of my thought process
• 16:14
  Speaker 9: behind it. And I feel like they feel like they
• 16:15
  Speaker 9: have more death or more flexibility and letting him go
• 16:19
  Speaker 9: and filling in the void there versus like the major
• 16:22
  Speaker 9: hole they have on offense that they need to spend
• 16:24
  Speaker 9: that money on.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Wow, So we talk about him off the field because
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, Slater was a great guy that Lawrence Guy
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: was a great guy too.
• 16:29
  Speaker 8: I was going to say, like we'd be remiss not
• 16:30
  Speaker 8: to mention not only Lawrence but his wife Andrea, Like,
• 16:34
  Speaker 8: no one kept us.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Busier with community.
• 16:37
  Speaker 8: I mean we were joking about this with the cur
• 16:39
  Speaker 8: staff upstairs, but no one kept us busier than Lawrence
• 16:43
  Speaker 8: and Andrea. It felt like every month they were holding
• 16:45
  Speaker 8: an event or doing a donation from their baby shower
• 16:49
  Speaker 8: that they would do for underprivileged moms to school backpack
• 16:54
  Speaker 8: giveaways and then just random things giving events like they
• 16:58
  Speaker 8: It just blew me away to see how generous they
• 17:02
  Speaker 8: were at a really grassroots, in a really grassroots way
• 17:05
  Speaker 8: like where they actually were making impact. They weren't just
• 17:08
  Speaker 8: throwing money at situations, and they worked really really hard
• 17:13
  Speaker 8: with their foundation and bringing their kids to the events
• 17:16
  Speaker 8: to get them involved, and I.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Loved working with them. I'll definitely miss them.
• 17:21
  Speaker 8: I had a great relationship with Andrea too, and our
• 17:24
  Speaker 8: community is made better for the Guy family for sure.
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: Underrated Patriot, you know, agree all decade team Guy free
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: agent signing. That was kind of just really afterthought, Like
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: it wasn't like it was like a Stefan Gilmour level
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: signing right two thou seven, just.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Like really just have multiple teams, I mean in the
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: San Diego Baltimore, San Diego Baltimore, I mean just kicking
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: around and then seven years I think he missed five
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: quick matt five games and seven years all he missed
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: for that position.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: He was really just everything that you would want in
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: a run defense, like take on double teams, could hold
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: a point of attack, could beat defeat a single team block.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: He was exactly in their scheme, especially what you look
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: for in that three four you know, strongside and type
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: of position, and in that respect that that does sort
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: of create a hole, you know. And he did play
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: what almost fifty percent of the snaps last year, so
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: it wasn't like he wasn't playing you know, Adrian Phillips
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: love him too, but he wasn't really playing towards the
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: end of last year. Lawrence guy had a role on
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: this team of a year ago, so it does create
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: a hole.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's just talk Biefully, you know about Phillips,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: which you know, like you said, just kind of became
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: a special team's only guy. I don't know if that
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: had to do with kind of Pepper's arrival, Mapu's arrival,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: but I think even the writing was little bit on
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: the wall at the end of twenty twenty two where
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: it seemed like he wasn't really part of it anymore
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: on defense, which was just surprising. I mean, I thought
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: he was great in twenty twenty when he came in.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, just the ideal kind of hybrid safety type
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: could play in the box a little bit. I think
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: just as they saw what Duggar and Peppers could do,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: it seemed like, you know, kind of pushed Phillips out
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: and it just seems like he's kind of slowing down.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: But he was another great guy who always willing to talk.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: You know, his wife was one of the doctors as well.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: We did plenty of features on him, so it's just,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: you know, it's time marches on with these guys. But
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: they were, you know, some solid contributors, and Phillips was
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: a great guy. I don't know if we ever, you know,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: got to like the pinnacle of what we thought we
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: might have gotten with him.
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: He sums it up as kind of like the perfect
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: like post Brady Patriot, Like he was just above average,
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: always there, available when you need him, Like all I
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: think about was was the pick six against San Diego
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: to La Chargers, But like good when you needed him.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: But I think I think I'll latch on somewhere else,
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: But towards the end, Yeah, it's too bad that he
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: I feel like he would have been such a great
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: Dynasty Patriot because he's just a lunch paiale guy that
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: just did his job and honestly played linebacker most of
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: the time and played it at like two twenty, which
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: is like really difficult to do, really good job of
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: like understanding how to play within his skill set in
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: the box, which is not easy to do. And I
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: think a lot of these guys, Dugger, Jabriel, Peppers, even Mapu,
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: they Adrian Phillips sort of started a lot of those
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: trends in this Patriots defense and basically carved out the
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: role and those guys are maybe just a little bit
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: more dynamic, a little bit more athletic, and younger obviously
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: to take that to the next step. So it was
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: kind of like Patrick Chung was like the first iteration
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: of it. Then Adrian Phillips comes in. He started to
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: make it more of like a pseudo linebacker role, and
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: now those other guys are just doing it at a younger,
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: more explosive rate. But I think that he had a
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: big part of getting lighter, getting faster at the second level,
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: like a lot of those types of things from a
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: football perspective, where Adrian Phillips first and then you know,
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: the Duggers and the Peppers's of the world come after that.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: So yeah, you know, last year, I think he played
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: nine snaps on defense after the bye, like he was
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: just he was an afterthought on defense. And you know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: I still think he can he can play though, you know,
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: still have a role on a fifty three man roster.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, le special teams to him, He's kind of a
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: special team's guy. He was, you know the guy. Yeah,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I mean that's another one which I think if Paul
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: was here. That's something you're like, all right, let's turn
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: over some of these special teams guys. Let's turn over,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: you know, some of the older defensive linemen. Last bit
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: of of kind of recent news, though, was the full
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: not the full announcement of the coaching staff. I guess
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: it was just the new members of the coaching staff.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: So we still still have a few Belichick era things
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: where like I had to fill in the gaps of like,
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: oh right, that guy's still under contract, and you know,
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: we couldn't just announce the whole coaching staff. Yeah, just
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: new editions.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Only we're still waiting on I guess Brian Belichick. Pelgrino
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: reportedly back, Troy Brown reportedly back from Doug Kyde in
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: some kind of role, you know, talking a little bit
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: with Evan though. I mean, Tyler Hughes is gonna come back.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: He was here, he was away at Washington working with
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: some pretty good wide receivers.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: That's the biggest thing for me with Tyler Hughes. It's like,
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: once we get an opportunity to talk about it, it's like,
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: all right, here's my list. Pennix dune't say, Polk, just
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: tell me everything. You know about these guys because you know,
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: he's a call control coach at Washington last year and
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: obviously was was very hands on with a lot of
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: these guys in the draft. You know, I mean, that
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: whole offense is going to get drafted somewhere. Yeah, so
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: you might as well pick his brain about those types
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: of things.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: And it's a good one. I mean, I said, you know,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: it felt like the Van Pelt offense was really that.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: That's the big piece of this. Evan you know, wrote
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: up a really good write up on that, and you know,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: it's hard to like analyze all these guys, but you know,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: just kind of funny personal story to share, which I
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: was joking with Evan yesterday. We were talking about right up,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: but Bob mcnell, the new tight Ends coach, was actually
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: went to my town's high school in the eighties and
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: like I watched him playing football growing up. Like he's
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: like our high school legend. His dad, his dad was
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: a coach at BC. But but Bob junior was was
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: a star at Holliston High School. Went on, he also
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: played at BC for a little bit Bridget School. So yeah,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: so Bridget, so another Holliston, another Hollis.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: He's got quite their resume, Like he's been around and
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: he's coached multiple receivers and tight ends, so he's got
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: he's got experience, and I think that that's one thing
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: you along with the just how large the staff is,
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: which I think stood out. Uh, some of these guys
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: that are maybe a little bit more inexperienced are then
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: supplemented by guys that are that are very experienced. On
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: the offensive sciety.
• 23:08
  Speaker 8: Of inexperienced guys, I thought it was kind of cool
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: a little. This isn't a huge hire by any means,
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: but it was cool to see Kobe Tippett on the staff.
• 23:17
  Speaker 8: I know we worked him out last year. I think
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: he was fresh out of college, but.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he coached thet Toughts last year for.
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: A three year, so it's cool to see them bringing
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: him in trying to build them up.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: We love the Nepple Highers.
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: First of all, it's cool to just see positions posted period, like.
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: From the website.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I agree literally, and I mean it's a it's a
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: big staff. You can't see my my nerdy board here,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: but I mean it's you know, compared to what it was.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: It's I mean, assistant coaches you've got quality control coaches,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: something you didn't really have. And you know, to be honest,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: like that feels like a little bit why we got
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: to where we were because the small coaching staff people left.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: There was no one really to fill those shoes. Now,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: you know, we know why Bill Belichick did that. He wanted,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: you know, ease of communication. He didn't want to play
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: telephone through six different coaches to get to the players.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: So this is a different approach, you know, is it
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the right way? We'll see if Girodd's able to you know,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: keep his menu through his menu his message is. But
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: you know, through all these different coaches who come from
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: a variety of different backgrounds and I know, you know
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: we've heard from Gerard a couple of times it's important
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: for him to have, you know, different points of view.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: But you just, I think wonder, with such a diverse
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: array of experience of inexperience, how how hard is it
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: going to be to come to a consensus and really
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: you know, have a message that everybody's buying into When
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: you have a coaching staff this big of such you know,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: diverse experience and backgrounds, and you know, it's it's just
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it's interesting how it's gonna all come together. I'm sure
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: we'll get to meet these guys at some point, but
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: it's going to be it's gonna be a giant party.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: There's like thirty coaches right.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: The quality control positions I think are are underrated because
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of stuff, and the quality control coaches
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: are basically the interns of the coaching staff. It's like
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: all the leftover stuff that maybe position coaches don't have
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: time for or frankly don't want to do. Uh. Those
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: guys pick up the slack in those areas, And I
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: think that that's really important because towards the end of
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: last year, we heard a lot of reporting about how,
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: you know, the staff had gotten so small on the
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: offensive side of the ball that guys like Bill O'Brien
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: was like doing way more than an offensive coordinator probably
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: should be doing. And that just takes your focus away
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: from important things, or those things slip through the cracks,
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: the smaller things slip through the cracks and you don't
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: end up doing it. So quality control coaches on this
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: staff I think are are good to see. It just
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: adds just whatever leftovers there is that still need to
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: be picked up and whatever loose ends still need to
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: be tied. Those guys can sort of pick up some
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: of that slack.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: I feel like the worst part is like now the
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: staff is pretty much put together, and now you're just
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: like I just wanted to start, you know, for the
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: past twenty five years, you're like, all right, we're gonna
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: Bill again. We have Tom, Like like I want, I'm anxious,
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: I can't wait.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Now now we have to build a whole new offense. Yeah.
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: But then after the draft, just.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: A couple other you know, coaches just to highlight, you know,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Vinnie de Palma, who was just a linebacker of BC
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: last year, which I saw him play against my my
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Holy Cross Crusaders, but you know, really active middle linebacker guy,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: a little undersize. I think. So I'm not gonna you're
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: not gonna try to give the pro football route a try,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: at least as a player. It's gonna come here as
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: you know, a young coach on the defensive side of
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the ball. And then the last one is just you know,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Drew Wilkins. I mean, I love me them Ravens. I
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: feel like the Ravens always do a good job developing
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: outside linebackers at that level. That They've had a number
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: of really high quality players. We got Matthew Judon off
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: of them. We tried to get a daily as Thomas,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: not that he was there back then, but but good
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: pedigree off of Wilkins and nice to kind of add
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: him to the mix with you know, we know what
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: we have in Covington. We know obviously we're gonna, you know,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: have Covington back as the DC. But Brian Belichick, you know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: just some new blood there at the second level. I
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, him and Jerry Richardson writer, No, not Richardson.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Montgomery. Yeah, that's the that's another.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: That's the Carolina Panthers owner that did not end well
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: in Carolina. To Montgomery, though, is a good I think
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: a good higher because of how well some of those
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: interior guys on the Green Bay Packers defensive line have
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: developed over the years. You know, Daniels, Kenny Clark, like
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: those types of guys, and you look at like a
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: Christian Barmore and trying to get him to like that
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: Kenny Clark level of consistency. Maybe he can help him
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: out to get there as well. So I really, when
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: I look at the defensive side, the thing that really
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: stands out to me though, is that they kept that
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: secondary intact. You know, Brian Belichick and Mike Pellegrino coming back,
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: I think is huge because you know, Covington and Mayo
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: are going to coach the front seven and they're going
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: to have that under wraps, but how they're going to
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: cover and making sure that that coverage system stays consistent.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: I thought it was important. And Pellegrino, you know, Brian
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: obviously think we know a little bit about because of
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: his dad. But Pellegrino has really taken a lot of
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: corners and made them into some pretty productive players, going
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: all the way back to like j. C. Jackson and
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: early on in his career, but even last year, like
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: he pulls like Alex Austin off his couch and he
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: ends up being like a solid player for them down
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: the stretch. Like those things are are are you know,
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: shouldn't be understated. Like that's hard to do to get
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: some guy like up and running like that like they
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: did with the player like Alex Austin and like.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: You mean you mentioned like guys that you're not really
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: expecting anything. I mean, he's done it with a number
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: of undrafted guys to come in and contributed. But I
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: thought what was most interesting was when we talked about
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: it going in, was like, all right, now he's got
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: a super elite athlete in Christian Gonzalez, Like, what does
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: it look like when he takes this guy in? You know,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: obviously he was cut short, but in that small sample size,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: he looked like legit player, looked like he was, you know,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: getting it immediately, able to make plays on the ball
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: right out of the gate as a rookie corner. So
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: so I agree with Pelogrino some real crime.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: I mean one of the knocks on Gonzales coming out
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: was you know, getting a little bit lost in his
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: own coverage at times and not necessarily being keyed into
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: the structure, and that was not an issue out of
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: the game for him, And I think that that speaks
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: to coaching, Like we always knew that he was going
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: to cover people what man to man, that was not
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: going to be a concern. But there was you know,
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: evidence on Oregon's film that he would get a little
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: bit lost in space at times and instantly that was
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: not an issue.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I think of the interception he had on on Tua, right, yeah,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I mean dropping out and you know, picking it off
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: a nice one. So that's that. Of course, the Dynasty
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: is out episodes one and two. We recorded a what
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: is it the Dynasty Recap podcast? I think the title
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: is a no no way. It's the Dynasty Doc Recap pod.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Recad podcast. Dynasty Dynasty Doc Recap podcast. Say that twelve
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: times fast.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: But we have that.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: We released that right after the episodes are dropped on
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Thursday night, I think about nine o'clock Thursdays. Well, it
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: looks like these things are going to come out, so
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know if all you guys have had a
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: chance to watch those two more episodes coming out that'll
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: take us through spygate. You know, one of my one
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: of my criticisms coming up is not not a lot
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: of time spent on thirty eight and thirty nine those
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Super Bowls and then they want a couple more and
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: it was great and now let's get to the controversy.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: But uh, but overall, any thoughts from you guys just
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: on those on those first couple of episodes, I don't
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: know if everybody's had a chance. I know, Evan, you
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: just you had a chance to watch it.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: I watched it pretty much instantly, and I would just
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: say that it was really cool. You know, we're talking
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: about a bit, a little bit about this before we
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: started recording. I not to make anybody feel old, but
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: I was only nine years old in two thousand and one,
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: So I was a kid, and I remember, but obviously
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: as a nine year old, like, you're not really like
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: what we are now where we like know every single
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: detail about the team. So it was cool to like
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: be able to see it now as an adult and
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: start to understand a little bit better about what was
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: going on back then. And all I remember as a
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: as a kid was being so devastated about Drew it
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: bledsoe And like, I think they did a great job
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: of painting that picture of this was the guy, like
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: this is a former number one overall pick, you know,
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: one hundred million dollar quarterback. They hadn't been super successful
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: with him as a team, but and he had all
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: of the tools as a player to be an all
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: time great quarterback. And you just it wasn't that easy,
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Like it wasn't for Bill to make that decision, Like
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: that was not an easy decision that I don't think
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: a lot of coaches would have made. I think most
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: coaches probably would have been went back to Drew blood cell.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: So watching that whole thing again was was crazy.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I just realized I should probably talk to Barth about
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: this because Barth is the helmet guy, and that thatking Brady.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: Het acts like he like lived through the nineties Patriots,
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: like he was like a flowbone adult. I'm like you,
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: how do you know this much about the nineties Patriots?
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: You were four? Like, I don't under that's.
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: Such a bad bucket look off.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: No, we saw the picture that I'm like, if Brady
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: tried to wear this helmet his career, he would they
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: would have gone black and blood.
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: See. So I'll say I watched it, actually watched with
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: a friend who's not past fantamic football guy, and he
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: was locked in. But how many times have we heard
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: these stories like you know, the snowball, the kick like Vinitaria,
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: you can't ice him. I'm the best decision you made,
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: And every single time it's just so good, Like every
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: single time and watched.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: It, it's the best.
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: And then I'll talk about this with Evan too, the
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: part that's like the late nineties early thousands, like they
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: have a press conference at mass General Hospital to talk
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: about like they would never do that now.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's crazy. But we'll let you know
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: when when we have something update, like the hospital, Like,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: let's all go to the hospital. Media.
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: Imagine if Twitter and like the Internet and sports media
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: as it is now, if it was like thriving.
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: Back, it'd be crazy.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, I mean you could go through Patriots like the
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: last twenty years of like imagine spygate was on Twitter. Oh,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I mean we got it a little bit with deflate Gate.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: I guess that was the peak.
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: That was peak sports Twitter was when deflate was out.
• 32:27
  Speaker 8: That's why it became such a mess.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, I feel like Twitter turned like twenty
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: twelve twenty thirteens when it went from just like a
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: little place to kind of meet up with like minded
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: people that make jokes and kind of communicate, and like
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: it's so completely useless now for anything real time, you
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: like log in and you're like from yesterday the start
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: of the third period with the bruinsot to start, I'm
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: like like, what, like this is no longer useful? Used
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: to be like do you got to go to the
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: following side right where it's up to date?
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: Know?
• 32:53
  Speaker 9: Well, yeah, then now it's like a newspaper, you wake up,
• 32:58
  Speaker 9: you open it, and you get caught up what happens.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: That's pretty much.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: I just I don't remember which newspaper was to bring
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: it back to the dynasty, but I do remember, like
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: the picture of the ambulance that was carrying Drew bledsoe
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: like going into the hospital, and I just I don't again,
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: like you just as a kid, the stakes were not
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: you don't understand you know, like you don't understand that
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: first of all, this guy is has internal bleeding and
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: like is in a serious, serious situation medically, but you
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: also just don't understand the stakes of the decision to
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: stick with Brady and all that kind of stuff. And
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: I thought it was cool to like understand that now
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: as as an adult. And you know, it's a little
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: disappointing to hear that there's not much football after this, though.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I know that's I mean, that is I mean, that's
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: what we kind of said about in the recap show
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: was that for Patriots fans would probably want this to
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: be one thing and it's not that it's you know,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: kind of an external point of view on this run.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: And you know, I still think they could have found
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: a spot for winning twenty one straight games and you know,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: make a little bit more, you know, I mean coming
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: out of two thousand and three, just because it was
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: it wasn't just a continuation of two thousand and one
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: into two thousand and three. It wasn't just oh this
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: is this Like they really like took a half step
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: back in OH two and really changed their team and
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: O three and became you know, not just like up
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: the sparky little up, you know, upstart little underdogs. They
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: became a dominant team that could beat you anyway. Like
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: we got to beat you nine nothing will beat you
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: nine nothing. We got to beat you thirty seven, thirty four,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: We'll do that too.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: It's just I think those two teams were really special
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: in my mind, and I'm sure plenty of Patriots fans
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: out there have, you know, plenty of very special memories
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: from those two teams and how good they were, and
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: you know, the big games and just that stuff's just
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: kind of glanced over. You know, it's barely even mentioned,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: you know, not to mention, just like the playoff run,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I mean going you know, losing to Pittsburgh, going back
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh.
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: But and to that point, there's so many fans, like
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: like our age group, where what I remember from like
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: the one Super Bowl was being in kindergarten and going
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: to school and people were talking about the groundhogs seeing
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: their shot out, and I was like, who cares about
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: the groundhog? The Patriots won the Super Bowl, But like
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: that was the extent of my memory. So if they
• 35:07
  Speaker 8: had dog more into that and shown us more of that,
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: it would have been so cool for I think the
• 35:13
  Speaker 8: twenty somethings.
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: Three what I was about to like, yeah, exactly.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: I also have to ask, like, how do you not
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: get asked to be the super fans in these days?
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: Like weeks.
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: Did we see Kara in the first two episodes Kara
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: Doolittle is she was interviewed for it.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know if she makes the Final.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: Cup seriously, like and then like Paul Perrillo and Drew Bledsoe,
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: that would have been it.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Would be too mushy, would exactly.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: That's the point.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like I should have won my bloods and
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: jersey today, Like it's just I've been looking for an
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: excuse to wear it because it's a reversible, it's the
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: nineties one that everybody loves I could wear like I
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: could wear white for the first half and then flipping
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: over for blue the second half. Everyone would be really excited.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I probably wait for Paul to be here though, But
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: just quick aside, funny people are emailing the show and uh,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: somebody's getting back Fred's out of office, just trying to
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: email the show.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: But well, Fred does always the reply to all.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: He's a big reply.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Emails.
• 36:18
  Speaker 8: I need to let people in on them too, because
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: he'll put everything he wants to be said in the
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: subject of the email. Yeah, there'll be no text in
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: the favorite thing.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: It's my favorite thing.
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: Oh my god.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. Maybe Cody was emailing him directly
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: and got that. So I hopefully other everyone else isn't getting.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: Fred's up all the hotel.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I hope Fred is on a beach somewhere and just
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: you know, taking it all in and relaxing, but kind
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: of set the stage here, so you know, give us
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: a Calliff Pasts five hundred. Love to hear from everybody
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: what you guys are thinking out there of the Dynasty
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: doc and you know, two more episodes coming up as
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: we and I have to, like I say, like, I'm
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: kind of more interested in this stuff. Like I feel
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: like I'm so locked in on one oh three those
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: things lately that like I want to get into the
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: new perspectives I've kind of heard that, you know, as
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: much as we saw some new footage in those ones.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I want to see the new stuff. I want to
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: hear them talk about, you know, as much as the
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: controversy at the end. And I know it's not football,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: but like, let's see if we get Bill out of
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: press conference mode, Like it just felt like the whole
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: that whole episode, he's just kind of going to.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: Be honest with you, he seemed disinterested, yeah.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: And doing it or even like didn't want to be
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: doing it.
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: I just the one thing I will say, like I
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: know this is gonna maybe come off as is kind
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: of like you know, company guy. But it's like really
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: frustrating to me that we have to make this Dynasty
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: doc about how the how craft hates Bill, Like like
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: why do we can't we just enjoy it? Like can't
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: we just reminisce about like the good times and not
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: look into every single little comment and be like, oh
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: that was a dig at Bill, like who cares? Like,
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: or just just watch it and enjoy it, like we
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: had an unprecedented twenty year run that's never gonna be replicated.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: And this is a documentary that's all all four Patriots
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: fans to just reminisce and have fun, like remembering the
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: good old days. And I like go on Twitter and
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: every single article is like this Ben vole and this
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: should have been called kill Bill, Like really, like I
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: just maybe I just have rose colored classes. But in
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: the first two episodes, I didn't didn't really feel that way.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: It was controversial for him not to go back to
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: Blood Cell, Like I don't know what else you wanted
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: him to say, Like they just paid him one hundred
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: million dollars, so he was the highest paid quarterback in
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: NFL history. Not going back to Drew Bledsoe and sticking
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: with a sixth round pick who was in his second
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: year in the NFL and had like three starts under
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: his belt was controversial. Well, it has nothing to do
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: with anybody hating anybody. It just is a fact.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: If he had just made it, took the easy way
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: out there, if there might not have been a Tom Brady,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: you know, but I just said, let's put Drew back
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: in and you lose in the playoffs and who knows
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: what ends up happening to Tommy b Just.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Enjoy it, like, don't make it about all of this.
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: Well, what's interesting you say that because having only I
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: haven't gotten my hands on an Apple TV log and
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: yet that's really subscribed.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah I could.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I haven't broken into the.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just kidding. I don't do that, not anymore
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: at least.
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: But it's interesting you say that, because I feel like
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: that really is all the conversation I've heard about it.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Is it painting Bill unfairly?
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Is it's just because the wounds are fresh? I mean,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I think that's inevitably. That's that's what everybody wants to
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: talk about right now? Is was it Bill? And you know,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: was it tom and all that?
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: And do you think they're kicking themselves, the Apple production crew,
• 39:29
  Speaker 8: for not maybe waiting a little longer just now that
• 39:32
  Speaker 8: this is all played out?
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: And I mean, in some ways, I think it's perfect
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: that it happened right when Bill left here, and that
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: was kind of the you know, like a really hard
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: stop to the dynasty. I mean, not that you know,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: it was still a dynasty when they left, But I
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: don't know. I think I feel like I need to
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: see the whole thing. I'm very curious how how it
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: all plays out, especially.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: Some of the later episodes of it are where the
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: shots that Bill really start to come out, because that's
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: covers Brady leaving and the downfall of it, and so
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: a lot of these people you know that I that
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: are getting it in the media are getting like sneak
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: peaks of like the whole ten episodes, and so I
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: think a lot of this that's coming out is about
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: the end of the documentary.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: He was like a Tom quote I think that we've
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: heard of him saying basically he was not going to
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: resign here no matter what. Yeah, there's Danny a. Mondola
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: we played for Tom, or we worked for Bill, we
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: played for Tom. There's the line from Robert Kraft saying
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I was just trying to hold it all together, which
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: you know, we kind of speculated was that really even
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: about that? But sounds like it is, So yeah, that's
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: the you know, that's the I mean, I think we
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: mostly know it all. I just I just wonder if
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: we're gonna come out of this for people like us
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: who have been you know, we're obviously ingrained in this
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: and it's our daily life. We've lived it. Is there
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: any gonna be anything new or aha or because so
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: far I haven't really had any new aha moments. I've
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: had some.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: You're a very unique perspective. You know very much about all.
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: But it's so true.
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: Like I remember watching those like the things you guys
• 41:04
  Speaker 8: would produce before I worked here, like after the Super Bowls,
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: and just like those those features, it was like a
• 41:11
  Speaker 8: high you got watching them and learning like every little detail.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: It was so cool.
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: It was one of the funnest parts and whenever, like
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: one of those not that people really write long form
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: features like this anymore, but when you get those good
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: long forms about just being around Brady and the team dynamics,
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: it was like I could not get my hands on
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: that stuff fast enough.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. I mean that's the whole like three
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Games to Glory that they did. Oh, that's exactly what
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I mean. That was amazing. I mean that's every game
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: they did commentary, they had all the behind the scenes stuff.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I never I own all six
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: of them. I never in a million years would have
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: like thought I would be working for you know, Matt
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Smith and the people that were heavily involved in producing
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: those and then came to do your jobs, which they
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: did I think for the last three, which again just
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: you know, those are the things that I always lived for.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: With you know, America's game, it kind of was what
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: it was. That's a little bit more mainstream and you'd have,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: you know, a few guys kind of recap the season.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: But the specialty produced stuff, you got so much behind
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: the pink stripes with Ernie Adams, there was so much
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: good stuff. So it's like it's hard, You're right, Evan,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I mean we I'm like waiting for any little bit,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: like like if there's a Bill Belichick miked up moment
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I missed, I'm like, I don't, I gotta see it.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: Did you see Have you seen the footage from the
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: draft room? I had never seen that. I'm putting the
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: call in to Brady, I don't. I had never seen that.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: And obviously i'd never seen the apartment footage. Okay, that
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: was new.
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: But but in terms of the story, like what are
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: they really going to tell Patriots dot com employees.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: About the story.
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: What about just the difference of like the early thousands
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: NFL of like your first round Picks are in a
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: motel on Route one, Like.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: That wasn't that wasn't a great look. But that's been
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: kind of really help our case.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: It's like part of the mystique of those Patriots were
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: like you know, Rodny Harrison getting taken to like the
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: ground round like it was like, no, we just we
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: don't worry about football. We're just crappy hotel, crappy restaurants,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: a small town. But now that we have beautiful Patriot
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: place here, you can you know, you can go to
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Davos if you want.
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: You're putting Christian Gonzales in the holiday and like.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: The seaport wasn't.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: What it was.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, boy, Like the ty Law stuff with Brady in
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: the apartment the condo, like I just ate that stuff up.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is hilarious.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: Like Tylaw thinks that he left like one hundred and
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: fifty thousand dollars worth of furnacing around. I mean like
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: that that's that's the type of stuff that like they're
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: not gonna tell us anything new about the story of
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: that of the two thousand and one Patriots, like we
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: all know that, but the behind the scenes stuff of
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: like the relationships and and that kind of stuff. That
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: was that was fun.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: No, we don't need to hear about lay like getting
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: cut now. I mean you have him in the first
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: two episodes, like I mean he's like thickest thieves with
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: ty Law, like they seem like they're like the two
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: boys who are running the show. And now it's like,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, by the way, they didn't cut them into
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: it was the whole thing. Don't worry about it.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: I will. On the other I will say Ernie Adams
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: did hurt my feelings a little bit, like he brought
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: it back. Yeah, he brought it back. He brought it
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: back around, Like I was like, all right, he kind
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: of you know, he was great in this, so he was.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: But yeah, saying that we don't know anything, like okay.
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: What about the produced piece of him driving to the stadium.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: Perfect, perfect, the snow's falling. I mean it's great, it's
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: exactly what I don't know, a camera there. He was.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: He was great, He was awesome.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's just all in and for coming up
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: to he's he's heavily involved in the Spygate episode as well.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: So that's uh, that that that's some more Ernie fun
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: who Uh, it's funny because I still remember the time
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: when Ernie was this mysterious figure that you didn't really
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: ever hear anything about. I think they wrote an article
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: about him maybe around seven o eight somewhere in there
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: about like.
• 44:40
  Speaker 8: The pink stripes the first time. Yeah, I remember him
• 44:44
  Speaker 8: even being on my rightar.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: ESPN. Thing was like who's the genius behind the genius?
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: And you know, they just talked about him going back
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: to high school with Bill and you know the connections
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: that they they had had when Ernie had already like
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: read Bill's dad's football book and now you know, and
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: then they formed a friendship. So he's he's, he's But
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: suddenly now we can't get enough Ernie, Like he's everywhere.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: He's in documentaries, he's in our schedule, release video, It's
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: like anywhere you want Ernie. He's not no longer man
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: a mystery.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: Not to take anything away from Belichick, but how much
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: of all this was actually was Ernie like as well
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: as really come up to in light I think with
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: this doc because he wasn't the public figure of it all.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: But it just seems like Belichick having that consickliary to
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: like do all you know, the nitty gritty detail work.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: You know, we've all seen the Malcolm Butler like interception
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: break down of hour and he like found that play
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: and like Seattle's goal line package, and that's how they
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: were prepared for like those types of things. I think
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: that when Ernie retired like that, you felt it it
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: was instantaneous that they weren't as detailed as they were before. Yeah,
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: they just didn't have that attention to detail that they
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: did when he was around. So we started to talk
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: about like pillars at the success. Obviously, Brady and Belichick
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: are on their own like tier there, but in terms
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: of Tier two guys, I start to come in like
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: Ernie along with you know, Dante Scarnekio obviously too, but
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: like Ernie is very high up there.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I wonder some of the little curveballs
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: they threw over the years, like how many of them
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: kind of started with Ernie, you know, like yeah, the
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Denver O three when they snapped the ball out of
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: the end zone, the Shenanigans in twenty fourteen with you know,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: eligible offensive lineman against the Ravens. You know, just how
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: many of those things were Like Ernie in the middle
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: of the week could go with the bill and be
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: like a you know, like I'm a problem here if
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: we get it after our offense of linemen knocking out
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: with that's my but yeah, no, you're right, You're right.
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: He was.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: He was definitely a big part of it from behind
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: the scenes. Let's jump over the phones real quick. Jason's
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: been holding on for a while and I want to
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: get to him here before we break for Paul's lunch. Hey, Jason,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: what's going on? Jason? You there, we're talking to you.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: You're Ron. Thanks for calling. What's up? Cork? So what's up?
• 47:05
  Speaker 11: So?
• 47:06
  Speaker 12: I got a weird hill you guys. I feel like
• 47:10
  Speaker 12: you're overvaluating the quarterback. And I know it sounds weird
• 47:13
  Speaker 12: to say, especially coming from where we all did. Yeah,
• 47:17
  Speaker 12: but it's uh, you got eleven people playing in every play,
• 47:23
  Speaker 12: and you can't play eleven on ten. You just lose
• 47:26
  Speaker 12: every single time. I feel like we're giving the I
• 47:30
  Speaker 12: don't know, the margin of importance to the quarterback the
• 47:34
  Speaker 12: sort of I don't know, overweened estimation of how just
• 47:42
  Speaker 12: dreadfully important this person is.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: So what do you feel you feel like with the draft?
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: You mean or just generally.
• 47:51
  Speaker 12: Well in the.
• 47:51
  Speaker 13: Draft in particular.
• 47:52
  Speaker 12: I guess that's the situation that we're in right now,
• 47:54
  Speaker 12: where you know, we're looking to improve the team and
• 47:58
  Speaker 12: the first and only thing is the quarterback. Kevin sure,
• 48:01
  Speaker 12: I get that we don't we don't really have a quarterback.
• 48:05
  Speaker 12: That's fine, and improving a positions where you don't have
• 48:08
  Speaker 12: some good solution, that's obviously where we should be looking.
• 48:12
  Speaker 12: But it's not like we don't have any other holes
• 48:15
  Speaker 12: on the roster and we can't improve in other ways.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: So you'd be team take a take a tackle a
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: wide receiver that you truly believe in, rather than taking
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: a swing at a quarterback that you might not believe
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: in just because he's a quarterback.
• 48:30
  Speaker 12: Right, Well, we have a lot of holes, we have
• 48:32
  Speaker 12: a lot of places to upgrade, We have a lot
• 48:36
  Speaker 12: of different directions that we could go, a lot of
• 48:38
  Speaker 12: areas where we don't really feel like we can rely
• 48:40
  Speaker 12: on the roster to get it done for us. So
• 48:44
  Speaker 12: it just makes more sense to be it in two.
• 48:46
  Speaker 12: It's better that we would look to the area where
• 48:51
  Speaker 12: we can most reliably upgrade the position. And I don't
• 48:56
  Speaker 12: think that necessarily has to be quarterback.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, yeah, no, go ahead, let
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: you finish.
• 49:04
  Speaker 12: No, it's just, you know, the quarterback has the ball
• 49:09
  Speaker 12: on every play. I understand that. You know, if we're
• 49:12
  Speaker 12: dividing it up into you know, each play into whatever
• 49:15
  Speaker 12: ten percent or you know, a little bit less than
• 49:18
  Speaker 12: ten percent importance for each position, that maybe you know
• 49:23
  Speaker 12: a couple of the percentage points of the guard's influence
• 49:27
  Speaker 12: on the play, the left guard of the right guard's
• 49:29
  Speaker 12: influence on the play has to go to the quarterback.
• 49:33
  Speaker 12: But it's not as though we could win playing eleven
• 49:36
  Speaker 12: on ten.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I gotcha. Thanks, Jase, appreciate calling in. I
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: mean it's probably something we're all kind of talking about.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's you know, I think generally if Drake
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: may or Caleb Williams were to fall to three, I
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: don't think really there'd be much hesitation for most Patriot
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: fans who are kind of getting into the draft these days.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, we start to get questions though
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: with like, you know, Jade Daniels, is he you know,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: is he that guy? At that point? But I don't
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: know what you would you think of, well, going to America?
• 50:03
  Speaker 9: Did you guys see the tea that Justin Field's unfollowed
• 50:05
  Speaker 9: the Bears on social media.
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: I can't get no, but.
• 50:11
  Speaker 9: Why are you doing that?
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: That's weird? The Falcons the Falcons.
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: Not the Falcon Falcons players, that's weird. Well, Drink london't
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: follow back Drake London, Kyle Pits and beat So that's weird.
• 50:24
  Speaker 9: So I think that, like, that's fishy and just leads
• 50:27
  Speaker 9: to the like the notion that, okay, maybe those guys
• 50:29
  Speaker 9: could fall to the Patriots, or or maybe like a
• 50:33
  Speaker 9: trade might happen where the Patriots might get a veteran quarterback.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Who knows.
• 50:37
  Speaker 9: You never know. I just think there's a lot of
• 50:39
  Speaker 9: time to tell what's going to happen. I mean, I'm
• 50:41
  Speaker 9: still confused by the Commanders hiring Caleb's former coach. I
• 50:47
  Speaker 9: think that has a lot of play in mind. So
• 50:49
  Speaker 9: I don't know. It's it's so hard to say at
• 50:51
  Speaker 9: this point what's going to happen because there's so many things.
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: Pretty out on the court. Like I like Jaden and
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: Drake May, but I am so out like in Panix
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: is okay, but I'm so out on the other quarterbacks,
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: Like we didn't go four and thirteen to take JJ McCarthy.
• 51:06
  Speaker 9: Like, oh, completely out on him.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: That that JJ McCarthy is an option maybe at thirty four,
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: but you're not taking JJ McCarthy at three.
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: Oh no, no, no, I'm saying that if you take if
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: you take Marvin Harrison with your three, yeah, I'd like, no,
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: just get something else. We'll trade for veteran.
• 51:22
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 51:22
  Speaker 9: I just don't say no to him because he's I'm like,
• 51:25
  Speaker 9: you might as well just keep Mack at that point,
• 51:27
  Speaker 9: why are we keeping him?
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: I mean that's maybe. I don't know. I think the
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: biggest thing in in reality, you know, it's we talked
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: about this when we did our mock draft, which is
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: up now, so go why.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, uh shameless plug, yeah, until we.
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: Until we get through free agency and get to the
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: draft in April. I think looking at the Patriots roster
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: on was it February twentieth and saying, oh, like this
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: roster is too far away for a quarterback and this
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: that the other thing, It's like, well, in a month,
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: we might not feel that way. Like in a month,
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: if they have T Higgins and Calvin Ridley catching passes
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: from the quarterback, are you still gonna And I'm not
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: saying that they're gonna be able to pull that off.
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: I'm just there's different variations of they're not ready for
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: the quarterback that we are not there yet. Now, with
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: that being said, you look at a lot of these
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: other teams that have rebuilt and really started from from
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: the studs and rebuilt it. Had they have taken a
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: more patient approach of going a couple of years. You know,
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: I just pulled up Nick Cassario got to Houston in
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty one. They didn't take the quarterback until this
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: past draft. So they went through two full draft cycles
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: of drafting Derek Stingley Junior, of drafting Nico Collins, of
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: drafting these other guys to then eventually help the quarterback
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: when they did get you know, CJ. Strout. So, yes,
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: that's true. But my my my pushback or my like
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: hesitation with the Patriots actually doing that is you just
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: fired Bill Belichick. You have seventy five million dollars in
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: cap space and the third overall pick in the draft.
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: Is ownership in the fan base really going to allow
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: Elliott Wolf and Gerrod Mayo a three year rebuilt? Are
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: they going to have the patients to see that through?
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: Because I look at it and say, they're probably just
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: gonna spend a ton of money, draft a quarterback and
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: try to do what they did in twenty twenty one,
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: but better and only better, right, and like that is
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: that the best way to go about it. You could
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: definitely make the argument that it's not like you look
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: at teams like Detroit Houston that have really rebuilt the
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: last couple of years. They they slow played it, like
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: they went a little bit. Yeah, they they just didn't.
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: They didn't go all in on the quarterback right away.
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: They they they filled in other holes.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: They did what's his face from Stanford Davis Mills, Well
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: they you know what I mean. Like, there's some flyers.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like a JJ McCarthy type of yeah,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: you know, day three kind of I do.
• 53:49
  Speaker 9: Not want J. J. Jamilton, Like, I just think I
• 53:52
  Speaker 9: have to be out on people who.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Like didn't go to entertainer in Virginia Tech.
• 53:57
  Speaker 11: No.
• 53:58
  Speaker 9: I just don't think that you should be moving up
• 53:59
  Speaker 9: the draft simply because your team won a national championship.
• 54:03
  Speaker 9: I just don't like, I mean, J McCarthy, I don't
• 54:07
  Speaker 9: care that Mac Jones won a national championship. Great.
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: I think JJ McCarthy is probably one of the most
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: in terms of what the league thinks of j. J. McCarthy,
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: and then what the media thinks of JJ McCarthy. There's
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: probably no other prospect in the draft that has such
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: an opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of those opinions,
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: and I think for the league, for better or worse,
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: I hate kind of put phrasing it this way. He
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: is a clean prospect. He played, he was on a
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: team that won a lot of games. He doesn't have
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: any major injury red flags, he doesn't have a major
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: character concerns, and he's got NFL starter physical traits.
• 54:44
  Speaker 9: So you just describe Mac Jones, You literally just describe
• 54:48
  Speaker 9: Mac Johns.
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: But that's how the league views it. Like the league
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: views it as this guy is I can win with
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: this guy because he's just gonna come in and do
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: the right things. He's going to be a clean guy
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: on and off the field. Whereas like a guy like
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: Michael Pennix has undeniably more traits than in better tape
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: than J. J. McCarthy, but he's got four season ending injuries.
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: You know, a guy like Caleb Williams cry to his mom.
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: So certain people aren't gonna like that, Like that's just
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: the reality.
• 55:16
  Speaker 9: I've had enough with the clean guy. We have a
• 55:19
  Speaker 9: T shirt, key chain hat, like, we've got all the
• 55:23
  Speaker 9: things that we need to see with the clean guy.
• 55:26
  Speaker 9: I don't need to see that again.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying for the Patriots. I'm just telling you
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: why JJ McCarthy in April is going to go higher
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: than everybody in the media thinks.
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: Well, long as he doesn't go here, great, I just like,
• 55:38
  Speaker 9: I just there's nothing about him that I'm like, yes,
• 55:40
  Speaker 9: I want to be my quarterback. There's nothing I'm pounding
• 55:42
  Speaker 9: the table on about it. Like, sure he's clean, like
• 55:45
  Speaker 9: he'll get he'll study, he'll you know, not make mistakes
• 55:49
  Speaker 9: that'll cost the team. Great, But like, can he your
• 55:53
  Speaker 9: point with Brock Party? Can he get you over the needle?
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: Can he get you My comparison for JJ McCarthy is
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: Brock Party because.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Like it's a hate company to an extent.
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: But the one thing that I will give Rock Purty
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: is that he does have some of that mobility to
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: move around a little bit and make throws out of
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: you know, on the move. JJ McCarthy's the same way.
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy has some of that ability to create outside
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: the pocket, to escape and then make throws after the
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: play breaks down a little bit. The issue is is
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: that he overthrows the ball and it's like good luck
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: finding out where the ball is going to go some
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: of the time. And then he just his processing is
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: extremely slow and he'll just stare down guys, yeah, and
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: throw bad picks like that. But at the same time,
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: you know, he has some of that athleticism mobility out
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: of structure play like Purty does. And you think as
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: an NFL team, just like with the Niners, that like,
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: if we can make this guy work, and that's how
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: a lot of teams look at it. It's just I
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: disagree with that approach, like and it's not about the
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: Patriots at three, Like the Patriots are not drafting JJ
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: McCarthy third overall. But I'm just saying he's probably gonna
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: be a back end of the first round guy because
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: of all these reasons.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Yikes. All right, well, why don't we take a ceremonial
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: break in honor of Paul eating his food probably somewhere
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: and coming up after the break though, I want to
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: actually talk about a little free agency. You know, Evan,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: you wrote mail bag today talking about defense. Some holes
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: to fill. I think on defense. It's a really solid
• 57:20
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• 57:22
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• 59:16
  Speaker 14: impressed with in episode one?
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, first of all, the opening of the episode.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: It's sort of like if you're at a musical and
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: there's an orchestra pit. The first thing they play is
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: the overture, and if you listen closely and remember what
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: you heard, you're gonna hear little pieces of everything that
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: you hear after that in that overture, and I think
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: that's what they were giving us with that opening, is
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: you saw all the little pieces of the stories of
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: the dynasty in that opening.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: And I think they did a great job.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: Like I had to watch it a couple times, like, oh,
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: you know, they're gonna talk about that, They're gonna talk
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: about that, And I think that that opening in caps,
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: you know, is gonna you know, foreshat, I know everything
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: that we're going to see going forward.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: It was a great hook.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah right, yeah, I totally agree.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 15: I thought it really got you in it, and you know,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 15: for for us that you know, we've we've all been
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 15: around through a lot of these, you know, for the
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 15: whole entirety of the dynasty, and it brought you right back,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 15: you know, and you said, Okay, let's get my popcorn,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 15: let's sit down, let's get ready. I want to relive this.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 15: And I thought it did a great job. The pictures
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 15: did a great job too. I Mean, there was some
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 15: great sound bites that they had mixed in the imidola.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 15: One I thought was great foreshadowing for something that's coming
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 15: down when you know, the one that's got a lot
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 15: of play leaning into the documentary, you know about playing
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 15: for Bill, but I mean working for Bill and playing
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 15: for Tom.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 15: I just thought it did a great job of setting
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 15: the scene.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: It really did. I mean, That's that's the crazy thing,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: is you realize. I mean when in hindsight you forget
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: how long this run was and how many huge storylines
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: there were for twenty years, you know, in and out,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: And I thought that that part has set a great
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: tone for me. I just I loved a lot of
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: the new stuff, the behind the scenes stuff. You guys
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: will make fun of me, but this stuck out to me.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: This practice footage of Brady wearing a helmet I've never
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: seen him wear before. And I'm a nerd about that, loser,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: That's how I am. People. You know, he had to
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: have a string in his practice, but he had the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Peyton Malling helmet on, and I'm like, what is going on?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: I've never seen this before in my life. But those
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: are you know, the things that that are just so cool.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: And you know, just some of the footage where it's
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: just simple b roll and it's these guys hanging out
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: and it's you know, future Hall of Famers. In the
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: midst of this run, starting to put things together. I
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: just you know that that Wow.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: We're sitting here with our senior executive producer, Matt Smith.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: Kudos to him because one of the things I think
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: this documentary is a testament to film everything, even if
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: you're not going to use.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: It right away or you may never use it.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: Film everything. Because there's stuff in this documentary that I've
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: never seen before.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: And thank god we filmed.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: It so right.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 15: And for Fred and I to say, it's stuff that
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 15: we've never seen before. We were working here through the
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 15: entirety of this and it was stuff that we've never
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 15: seen before.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 15: Now, Matt probably you know, saw more. You know, he
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 15: was part of you know, the cruising and whatnot. But
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 15: to see pictures of practice at like you know, the
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 15: old stadium at rent them stays like like I've you know,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 15: we used to get like five minute windows, Mike, just
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 15: like we do now.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Half the time we didn't go because it.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 15: Was such a pain to get there, you know, like
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 15: just let me know who died, As Eddie Duckworth used
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 15: to say, you know, I don't need to know what's
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 15: going on.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: But behind the scenes and the team meetings just unbelievable stuff.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 14: No, one of the things that I was a big
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 14: fan of. And maybe that's to Fred's point, maybe I'm
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 14: prejudiced because I've seen a lot of the footage. I
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 14: just thought the interviews, by and large most of them
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 14: were tremendously insightful, and I have some favorites, quite honestly, Paul,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 14: you and I did a podcast with Scott Pioli within
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 14: the last four or five months.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Scott comes off.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 14: Really really well, and I think keeps the thread.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: It's a good storytelling.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: He's a really good.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: Story He was seasoned back then because he comes from
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: a pr background before he came to the Patriots. I mean,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: he he knows how to speak. He's very articulate, not
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: a lot of ums and your nose and all that.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: And like you said, Paul, he tells a good story, right.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 15: And it's one thing to have great information and great anecdotes,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 15: but to deliver them in a way like the narcotic
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 15: line to me, is just fantastic.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 14: That's and the perspective that I think he brings to
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 14: that he's away from it now, so maybe he can
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 14: see things a little bit differently than when he was
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 14: right in the trenches, and I think he realizes, and
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 14: he said this to us at one point time, but
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 14: I think he realizes.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: She said, wonder if we handled that the right way?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Did we do what we really needed to do?
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 14: But they were just so consumed by winning, and the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 14: winning became a narcotic As Paul said, that was really powerful.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: And by the way, we're assuming everybody who's watching this
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: has watched the first two episodes, So if you haven't
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: turn it off, go to Apple TV Plus and watch them,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: because we're gonna give you spoilers.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: Yes, no question about.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 14: We are going to ruin everything right because we don't
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 14: know how this has ended right. And the other interviews
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 14: that I just wanted to that really were tremendous to me,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 14: and they were writing character were Tyla and Laurie Maloy,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 14: very good friends, tremendous players during this team, but their
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 14: color and their you know, just the way they spoke,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 14: the looseness that they spoke, and the way that they
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 14: described things. I thought Patriot fans will really enjoy hearing them,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 14: how they talked and how they described what was going on.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were the gatekeepers of the old Patriots. I mean,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: those were the guys from the nineties that were the
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: holdovers that you know, were the leaders of that team.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: And I think, you know, just their perspective on Brady
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: coming in. I mean, my favorite part of you know,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Brady coming in and I'm not giving this thing back,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: like you know, you're a rookie, you can to give
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: them back, right, That was I mean, those great lines,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: and I mean those guys just they have so much personality.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: But you know, just quickly to go back to Puli,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: I just I love what you said, Matt about his
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: perspective and it you know, I don't want to it
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem like he you know, is completely like reformed
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: or anything, but it just it seems like somebody who
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: was in the weed as close as you could get
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: to it and has now gotten out, has now gotten
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: some perspective of how it all went, and maybe isn't
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: entirely proud of how every little bit of it went.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: And I think that kind of comes through, whereas some
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: of the other voices you get they're still kind of
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: stuck in that or you know, they never got over it.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: I think he's just such a unique point of view
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: in this whole documentary and one of.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 14: His closest confidence and the person who brought him into
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 14: the organization is Bill Belichick, and it's and Bill Belichick
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 14: is the same thing. He's true to character. He's very
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 14: buttoned up. His demeanor is very obvious when he's in there,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 14: and he's the Bill Belichick that I think everybody would expect.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 14: Whereas Scott he's he's opening himself up. He's letting the
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 14: viewer and the fiancy a different side of him that
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 14: I don't think fian saw when he was here working
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 14: with the organization.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 15: Yeah, And it was eye opening when when Matt and
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 15: I had him on that Pats from the Past podcast
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 15: and a lot of the stuff he echoes, you know,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 15: in this thing. And I do think that Mike has
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 15: a good perspective on that. It's like he's the one
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 15: guy that's like, we didn't have to do it that way.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 15: He expressed that regret with Matt and I when we
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 15: did it. He he comes across, you know, really likable,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 15: but you know, just sort of with great perspective, you know.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 15: And some of the stuff, the interaction with he and
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 15: Ernie Adams, to me, some of that stuff is good too.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: It's such great stuff. You know, you brought up Bill,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: and I think Bill in these first two episodes comes
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: off smelling like a rose in my opinion, because you know,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: they a lot of it is focused on the Brady
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: bled Cell decision and how gutsy it was to make
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: that call because Bledsoell was so close to the owner.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: You know, at one part they talked about the owner
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: actually talking to Bill about, hey, you know, why aren't you?
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: You know, so there was a lot of pressure on
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: Bill to make this thing. What I think hurt Bill
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: is himself. Like we're talking about all these great interviews,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: you know, Ty law and Lawyer Maloy. Lawyer Maloy has
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: a lot of you know, acts to grind with this
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: team with question you know.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Scott Pioli and Jack.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: Everybody came off great except Bill. He was so standoffish
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: in the in his body language and you know, yes
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: it's the same Bill, but you had a chance to
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: kind of open up a little bit more and show
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: us a little bit.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 6: And you didn't take that chance.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: Although I think the actions speak louder than words. Like
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: I said, he came off really looking good in these
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: first arts.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: As he should. As he should, it was, it was
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: press conference bill that was what this was who we
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: see in press conferences, that's guarded. You know, even from
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: the initial kind of right crack, you know, it felt
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: like he was getting ready to go to war a
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: little bit. It makes me wonder what it's going to
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: be like when we get into some of the more
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: controversial stuff down the road is built because I think
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: everybody wants to watch this and see the bill from
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: the Scarneckia induction, the storyteller, the one who's going to
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: tell you a little and we didn't really get any
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: of that, at least in the first two episodes.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 15: You want to let me know, let you guys know
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 15: one thing totally unrelated really to the dynasty itself. But
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 15: David NuGen is a guy who not a lot of
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 15: people listening right now probably even know who he is.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 15: Right He was a fellow member of the two thousand
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 15: draft class, and he and Brady were roommates, and you
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 15: know they both played in the Big ten. Nujin was
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 15: a defensive lineman out of Purdue. He has some great
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 15: home footage that he should again back to.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: People stuff because they watch well, stuff that.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 15: You've never seen that's you know that until the point.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 15: But it's it's stuff that you've never seen before, and
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 15: it just gives you sort of a glimpse of just
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 15: how psychotic Brady is. When it came to everything competition wise.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 10: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, no
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 10: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 10: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx Where
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• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: And now great moments in.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: History?
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  Speaker 6: Maybe I'm over that's going around too.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: That's going around too. He postedfuge. He posted a picture
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: and it was him like smiling and if you'll look close,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: he was actual. Letts state, who was this Brady Brady?
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: The picture he posted with him at from the Tampa game.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 9: I didn't.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: I didn't look at the thing.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: I know you didn't.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: I was asking, I was on part of this thing.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Printed more trees than anybody I've ever seen. Will you
• 1:09:23
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• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: when when we're doing the show, we should reference on
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• 1:09:30
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• 1:09:36
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• 1:10:37
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  Speaker 9: Radish, Yes, all right, like cotaio sauce different.
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  Speaker 1: Lives up to the especially when you get a private room.
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  Speaker 1: You know, well that outstairs private room.
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  Speaker 5: Helped a little bit that that was.
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• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: Paul probably would get mad at me for that appropriating. Yeah,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: so I I I want to talk a little free
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: agency here, and I'm sorry everybody that wants to do
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: nothing but debate the third overall pick. And you know,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: talk about offense. And certainly the offense is huge priority
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: for the Patriots and they need to really rebuild from scratch.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: But and while they do have some good pieces on defense,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: I think when you're just looking at free agency. And
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: I never wrote a little bit about this in the
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: mail bag, and I definitely agree with him, is that
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: the Patriots canna make some splashy moves on defense and
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: free agency, and they have the money to do it.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: And then I, you know, again, I think I would
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: prioritize certainly internal players. Christian Barmore topped the list for me.
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  Speaker 1: I saw today, I forget who one of the you know,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: who's the best fit for all the free agents. Somebody
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: ran down one of the one of the one of
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: the national guys on NFL dot com. But yeah, Christian
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Wilkins from the Dolphins going to the Patriots.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 9: Oh, I love him.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: Such as boys.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: A Massachusetts boy as well. They had you know, they
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: had Dougger and when you both leaving, uh, and then
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: they had they had one other guy going to the
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Dougger is uh just what he's putting together.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 8: But you know, if you have insider info or like,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 8: over your dead body, he's leaving.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: I would say, in the next twenty four to forty
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: eight hours, we'll find out that Carle Douger is not.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 6: He's trying to leave, just grabbing.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: That's that's that's that would be great news too. So
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: you know, I just I think we know the Patriots
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: got in this point not draft, developed, retain. They can't develop,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: they can't retain. They drafted guys that haven't worked out,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: and so you know, I'd be all for it, but
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to go go through some of these
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: defenders names on the wide receiver list, and you know,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: we've talked plenty of about you know, T Higgins wide
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: receivers on the offer start clamber before you start, Okay.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 9: The disclaimer is it cannot be an off brand free agent.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 9: And I've said this, I think the past seven months.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: And that's the whole point.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 9: No, I do not want any Johnny Smith.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: No, I don't know that. Yeah, that's the whole point
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: on brand, and we could kind of, you know, we
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: go off brand. I just remembered who the other the
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: other player was, Jonah Williams, who was kind of a
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: little bit of an off brand tackle.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: You know, like that was my whole, my whole thing,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: you know, I wrote this in the mail bag was
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: exactly what Tamara just said. Is. You know, when they
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: spent in twenty twenty one on the offensive players, they
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: basically set themselves up with a two year core because
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: of how much they paid those guys. So it was
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: Jacoby Myers, Kendrick Bourne, Nelson, Agalore Hunter, Henry Johnny Smith
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: and that those were all top of the market guys
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: in free agency that they paid top of the market
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: and it wasn't good enough. Like that's that's the best
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: that you possibly can get in this free agent class.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: I would just so much rather than chase the talent,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: like where is the strength of the class and spend
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 5: your money there? And you're just gonna about to rattle
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: off like this edge defensive line free agency group is
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: absolutely stacked, and some of these guys are gonna make
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: it to free agency because of various reasons, they're not
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: gonna be tagged. So why pay you know, another Kendrick Bourne,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: Nelson Aglore level receiver when you can pay Christian Wilkins
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: like that? That's I think where I'm at, And you
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: strengthen a strength and then once we get to April,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: then we can just draft seven offensive defense.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, let me let me run down these edge defenders.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is just this is on PFF ranking them.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 16: Uh.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen from Jacksonville, Brian Burns from Carolina, Danielle Hunter
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: from the Vikings, Chase Young, Bryce Huff from the Jets,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Greener in Houston, Texans, Darius Smith, Cleveland Browns, Leonard Floyd,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: the Bill's Jadavian Clowney, and then Josh Ouch. So you know,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: even if you're just looking at those names, I mean,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: I know some you know, could could stay. Some are
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: not great fits, but there's definitely some promise there. And
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: when you look at Matthew Judon being in his early thirties,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: you look at u j and Jennings being free agents,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: there's no real answer on the edge right now. It
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: seems to me that if you're gonna spend a bunch
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: of money on an external guy, I'd rather take a swing,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: like you said, Evan on a star of one of those.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the interior guys. I mean, Chris Jones.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: We'll see if Kansas City lets him get away. Christian
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: Wilkins doesn't stop talking. He's he's a yeah, you kind
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: of love him. If he's on your team, you'd like him.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: But you know, to Avan's point, to connect it to
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: Lawrence guy, you know that kind of big interior. You
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: know there's probably a need, and he's young too. It's
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: it's he's got I think Justin Madebique. I mean, he's
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: an outstanding player. Another one he think Baltimore might try
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: to retain him. DJ Reader another big space eater. T
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: you know, some older guys, Fletcher Cox, Michael Pierce. But again,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: all these guys they kind of fit and they're kind
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: of in areas of need. I don't think corner is
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: a huge need. I don't think, you know, if they're
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: going to resign doug Ars, safety not a huge need.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: But I think taking care of the edge is an
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: upfront They have a real opportunity here in free agency.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 5: I are just much rather than pay guys that are
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: actually going to be impact players than just pay guys
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: because they have wide receiver next to their name. And
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: when you look at this class of receivers, T Higgins
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: is going to get the tag most likely. It sounds
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: like Calvin Ridley is probably going to be the best
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: guy that becomes available who I really like. But at
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: the same time, like, is that the guy that you're
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 5: investing to be your number one wide receiver? And I
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: just I look at it and I say, go where
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 5: the talent takes you if that means that it's spending
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: on defense instead of offense, and you know your splashes
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: are you know, Brian Burns and Christian Wilkins instead of
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: you know, a receiver talent or a quarterback or tackle
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: now Jonah Williams, like those guys Jonah Williams, Makai Becton
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: at tackle, their dart throws on injury prone guys like
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: you know that are just not really high end talented
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: type of players. So I would much rather than do that.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: And that's what that's why you have the draft and
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: you have free agency, and if you can get your
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: hands on at T. Higgins, if Justin Jefferson and follows
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: the vikings and decides that he wants out of Minnesota, sure,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: I'm obviously all for trying to invest in those types
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: of players if that type of talent is available. But
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: the worst thing that you can do is do what
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: you did in twenty twenty one and just have a
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: bunch of complimentary guys and no real stars.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: On the OFFENSEI side of the ball.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: I take it on Kenny Moore too, who was here
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: and you know, just a slot guy. But I think
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: that you know, uncertain on Marcus Jones and you know
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: what's gonna happen with Miles Brian. I feel like, you know,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: they could just use an inside guy. I've always liked
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: him a little bit older. But again, the one thing
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: I do say, though, Evan I liked about what they
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: did in twenty twenty one was that all their signings
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: were guys who are like twenty six, like coming right
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: off their first contract. I love that. I love that.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: I think that's what they have to do continue to do.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: You know when you see these like edge rushers, you know,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: Jadavian Clowney that you know, mid thirty, like it's it's
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: no point, there's no point. You got to be a
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: little bit patient.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: But I just well, that's like like a guy like
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 5: Mike Evans, who is a Hall of Fame player, he's
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 5: going to be a Hall of Famer, but he's going
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: to be thirty one, and does he really want to
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 5: leave Tampa? Probably not. And you look at you know
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: Ridley I just mentioned he's he's twenty nine going on thirty.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: So they're not really in that that bracket of what
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 5: you're talking about. You know, those guys are more you know,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: Higgins Pittman like, but are those guys going to be available?
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 5: I don't, I don't know.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 9: You know, I would love T Higgins.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he hasn't shut up about T Higgins since since
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: the draft.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 5: Like the Bengals, GM said last year at the combine,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: get your own receiver. So well, yeah, that's literally what
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 5: he said to me.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 9: I like that energy though.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 6: Don't They have an issue though, because they have to
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 6: pay Jamark Chase too.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: Well, they have an issue in terms of, like you know,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: as a team in Cincinnati, are they going to have
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 5: the cash to spend on all of these guys. But
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 5: at the end of the day, if they wanted to
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 5: keep all of them, they could keep all of them,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: but you gotta pay for it.
• 1:18:49
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• 1:18:52
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• 1:18:55
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• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: We kind of maybe fire through some of them. Mentioned
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: today is the franchise tag deadline. Rusty and Arlen just
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: writing in about realistic options. I believe you've all mentioned
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: various times the team and when you agree he is
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: in a tackle hopefully we also agree he has been
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: at least a middle of the PAC tackle when everyone
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: needs one. I like him way better than whoever. Their
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: other options will most likely be Henry another hend or
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: Henry another option there, he says, not exciting, but hey,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: that's how it goes sometimes. Let me know what you think,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: and of course, Kyle Duggar, I don't know what do
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: you think? Guys, any any thoughts? I mean, I just
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: I've said it before. There's just not a lot of
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: options at tight end. There's not a stack draft class
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: like there was last year. I mean, Hunter Henry and
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: the guy from Dalton Schultz, those are probably the top
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: two that kind of fit that could step in and play.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: They just don't have a lot of options. That's why
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: I see Hunter Henry's kind of a priority. Or if
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: they want to maybe.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: Tax over so I wouldn't. Hunter Henry's tag is gonna
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: cost them over eighteen million dollars because of his salary
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: last year, So he doesn't make the tag that you
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: see online when you google what's the tight end dag
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: that he has an escalator more because of what he
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: made last year. So they're not going to pay Hunter
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: Henry eighteen million dollars next year. But I actually look
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: at some of these free agent options, and you know,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: Daland Schultz is probably the one like starting caliber tight
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: end other than Henry that's in free agency. But I
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: look at a guy like Gerald Everett, Noah Fan, I
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: think those players. If you took a Gerald Everett and
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 5: then drafted somebody in the middle rounds, at least you'd
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: have someone in Everett that could hold down the position
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: for the twenty twenty four season. So I'd probably rather
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: that be Henry. But I would say that Everett is
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: a little bit more explosive, a little bit better with
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: the ball in his hands, so that that might be
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: a fit.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: I got real quick just share this. Someone was at
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: the Frankfurt game and was taking some pictures of people
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: walking in and they just so happened to get Evan Lazar.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: That emotion is I don't.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 17: Like that, I'm excited.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: Can you pay me for the photo?
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 9: All week in Frankfurt, this man was like, I need
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 9: to be there early because some fans want to meet me.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: Literally energy.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 9: He wanted to get everything early to me.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: You don't have to out me all the time. The
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: things that I say the record.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 6: The real side stories. Evan and I walking through all
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 6: of Frankfurt just to find some Frankfurt some burs. It
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 6: took way too long, left us.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that first day we got one, but they
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: kind of come on like a roll, like we had
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: them right. We were walking around and h random hole
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: in the wall. The bread was so good there, the bread,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Like I still am kicking myself for not just like
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: stalking up because even the airport breadth is good, Like
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: you could have just gone, but you already flew back,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: like go into the airport and be like, give me
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: just a bunch of danishes and brought him home. But
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: we saw Emma who used to work in our department,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: and she's been I guess in your you know a
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: little bit, but she just said all her like eating
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: and stomach is she's so cleared up.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 8: It's amazing, like what you can eat when your food
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 8: systems aren't poisoning you.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 6: I had McDonald's and Germany twice.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: Did we ever tell this story?
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 8: We wanted to go to McDonald's just because every country
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 8: has different menu items and it's kind of cool. It's
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 8: like anthropology really the different McDonald's.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: So whatever we go in.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: I don't get that.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 9: I don't want to hear any shaming because this man
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 9: would only drink Starbucks coffee. He wouldn't try anything local,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 9: so you can't.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: Talk right exactly and.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 8: That anyways, So we're just excited to try this McDonald's
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 8: and we had a funny experience inside.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: It's like touch screen, it's all modern. So we get out.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: Who do we see Jason mccordy.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 8: No, no, I say this because I'm sure a lot
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 8: of fans that follow us have seen the video I posted.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 8: But Jason comes up to us and it was just
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 8: shaming us.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 6: Literally, the look on his face and cheeseburger.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 9: He's like, you go all the way to Germany because.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 8: You didn't get this, And we're like, okay, this isn't
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 8: a lot of people thought we only ate McDonald's when
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 8: you were in Germany, and it was like, no, that
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 8: was just one meal of seven.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 9: One meal Deuce had five guys.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 5: You said that island.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 8: No, I didn't eat McDonald's multiple times on the trap.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: You know. The thing that was kind of most jarring
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: me though Germany, and I didn't realize that would miss
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: it as much was ice like ice water.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 6: I tried to get iced coffee.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: That's why I went to Starbucks, because I asked for
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: ice coffee at one of the local places and they
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 5: looked at me like I had ten heads.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 8: Evanence Mari went into the Starbucks, and Matissa and I
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 8: went into right next door, a little like more authentic
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 8: coffee shop, and we asked for ice coffees, and the
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 8: lady looked at us and she said iced.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: It's called out like, Yeah, that is hot.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: Mom is hot. We're from Boston, We're silly. Email from Claire, Hello, everyone,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: nice job without the grown ups. Guys. I'm glad Claire
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: you don't think I'm a grown up. I appreciate that
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: you're not fifty years old like I'm still at that.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: With the release of Guy and now the retirement to
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: the beloved Slater, do you share in my concern that
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: the Patriots are too new when it comes to coaching
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: and personnel to let those sorts of players go. I
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: guess Slater was his decision, but Guy felt like he
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: could be a necessary retain just to maintain some solid
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: locker room presence thoughts.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: I hear her point, but I think that one of
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: the things that is, you know, we hear a lot
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: from people in the organization now is that they have
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: to start over, Like there has to be a point
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 5: in time where they hit the reset button. And that
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: might not mean that it's a very successful twenty twenty
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: four like in terms of wins, but at some point
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: in time you have to move on from some of
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: these guys and start bringing in some younger.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 8: It's also I think people are looking over the fact that, yes,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 8: we lost two great leaders and I'll even throw Adrian
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 8: Phillips in that. I think he was a really solid
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 8: veteran for guys to look up to you, But like
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 8: Ditrich Wise and John Jones are still in there and
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 8: they're great guys, great role models, great guys to look
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 8: up to.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: So you got to reset it. And I just I
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: think we kind of I think wondered about this when
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: it was going bad. Is does that does the message
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: from the guys who were part of the dynasty still
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: resonate with these young kids when you have you know,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: you get to a team and there's five or six
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: guys that were like, hey man, when we won the jam,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: this is how it was, and like at a certain
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: point you're like, well, we're so far removed from that,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: we need to find our own way. So I think
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: that's what they're gonna have.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: They have to have Mayo and Dante high Tower to there.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: You go, there you go. They have to have some
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 5: of these, you know, they have to have some of
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: these younger players start to set up step up into
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: leadership roles. And if you're going to draft a quarterback
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: at number three, like he's automatically going to be in
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: a leader ship position just because of the position and
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: where he was drafted. So some of these guys, you know,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: Christian Gonzales very quiet kids, so I don't expect him
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: to be oh yeah and at the end of every
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 5: single game, but his presence and you know, just his
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: you know, leading by example like that type of stuff
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 5: has got to start to matter to some of these
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: Sometimes you just look at him.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Wow, he's like an elite athlete, right, Like, moves it
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: a different I'm gonna I'm gonna play better because of him.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the hope.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: That's kind of interesting one here from Reno and Tennessee.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: I know there have been plenty of bust wide receivers,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: but has there been a bust from the expected generation
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: generational talent like Marvin Harrison Junior. I know there's plenty
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: of qbs that busted that caliber, but I can't think
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: of a wide receiver this sought out to flame out.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: Can you think of any.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: Oh well, yes, but like maybe because of different reasons,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 5: like you know, off field.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: Type of stuff.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Like point back in the day, this happened a
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: lot more, you know, like the the Roy Williams is
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 5: of the world. You know, even like certain guys that
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: were considered generational that were okay NFL players but didn't
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: live up to the hype of being like, you know,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: a Hall of Fame caliber guy. But recently, I would
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: say that a lot of this the talent has definitely
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: held out strong for for the most part. But uh,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: you know there's certain guys and you know that were
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: top of the first round, really highly touted players, like
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: even like somebody like Jerry Judy, like not a generational
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: talent coming out, but like, was Jerry Judy a first
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: round level player in his career so far? Like maybe
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: you have some of those types of guys.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: But it's funny you say him because I remember at
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: the Comma and being like what I wouldn't give to
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: get Jerry g Yeah.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean like Henry Ruggs is obviously the
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 5: biggest one out of the recent care but that's that's
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: a totally different circumstance.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: I don't want to read this one because Kyle writes
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: in with a bunch of Patriots trivia. But Kyle, unfortunately,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think we've got the squad to uh to
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: answer that.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 8: This is.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 9: Wait, can we go back to free agency? Because I
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 9: don't know if we've actually, like go back picked anybody
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 9: off that edge list.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 6: Josh Allen, you can.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 9: I want Chase Young.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 6: Chase he played for one quarter in the Super Bowl.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 6: He had that one sack and then you didn't see
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 6: him again in the rest of the game, and you're
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 6: gonna pay him all that money?
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: Chase?
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 9: You no, you don't like him. Who do you like
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 9: off that list?
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: I would say out of this list, probably Brian Burns
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: is the best player on that group. Bryce Huff from
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: the Jets is also another player that we didn't mention,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 5: who's kind of like a soup up, like.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 9: You like getting one of these and not resigning.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: I think that if you can get a more complete player.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: And I also, I have no inside information on this,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: but I think that there's a chance that Matthew Judon's
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 5: not on this team, and if that's the case, then
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 5: you know you need to fill that that void. But
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 5: if you can get a Day two pick for Matthew Judon,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 5: you have to make that trade if you're the Patriots.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 5: So I look at that as that's a possible avenue
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: that they might go to get. You know, do we
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 5: when we did the mock draft, Like, at least when
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 5: I was doing it, I was like, would be really
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: nice to have like one more pick somewhere here.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's like, you know, and then the draft
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: fund where you trade down right just a little bit
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: and you pick up that. I mean, it's just it's
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: amazing the difference one extra pick in the second round
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: you can do no matter where it kind of falls.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 9: He seems like he really wants to stay here though.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: I look, I'm not like trying to ship him out
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: of town. I really want to.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 9: I mean I'm just telling you, yeah, him and Kendrick Bourne.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 5: Kenrick Bourne is in a different tax bracket. So if
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: Kenrick's fine, but Matthew Junon is you know, he's a
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 5: little bit older, he's expensive. Is he part of the
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: next good Patriots football team? And like, I think the
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: one thing that looking back on it, and look, we
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: don't know what Belichick was told about the trade deadline
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: in this past year. He might have been told by ownership,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: don't anything because you're not gonna be here, right, But
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: not trading josh u j at the trade deadline was
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: a mistake. Like they they should have traded josh Uja
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: and gotten whatever assets they could have gotten for him
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 5: at the time, because now he's probably going to walk
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 5: in free agency for nothing.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: A quick question here from Gene and Ottawa. How much
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: of a role did the Patriots play in facil facilitating
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: the production of the Dynasty doc? Did the organization have
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: any editorial creative control over the final product? This is
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: from Gene and Outawa. Gene probably be better to come
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: from Fred, but I can relay the same message was
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: no creative or editorial control. Did provide a lot of
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: the footage though, or anything in the archives where we're
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: all open to the documentary to go in and take.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: But but the Patriots organization did not have any editorial
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: or creative control. But you used to take that from
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: Fred because he's he's the one, he's the big boss man.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: All right, let's jump back to the phone real quick.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: Nobody believes you do, believe me?
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: Well everything you say these days you gotta be Hey, Todd,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: how are you?
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 16: I'm gonna give a little a caller on collar crime
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 16: because the guy that called in earlier saying, well, you
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 16: had eleven people on offense, and I don't want to
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 16: over focus on quarterback. You know what, quarterbacks like a
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 16: Formula one race. You know what, You better have a driver,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 16: your Pittoo's important. Everybody else is all important that the
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 16: organize or whatever. Without the driver, got nothing. Without the quarterback,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 16: you got nothing. The guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 16: Maybe hockey, you can know he got six guys on
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 16: the ice, you know, any one of the guys can
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 16: be a leader or got up. Yeah, sure great, but
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 16: not in not in football, not on the old fence.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 16: You've got to have a leader. And that leader's got
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 16: to be your quarterback because he's the one that's driving
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 16: this team. And I think that guy is totally wrong.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 16: And I don't think if if they don't draft one
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 16: or they don't find somebody in free agency to drive
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 16: this car of ours. We're gonna have another crappy year
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 16: and maybe we'll get a first round pick, but we
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 16: need somebody. We need a quarterback. And that's the two
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 16: guys we got on this team are not quarterbacks, and
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 16: we got to get rid of them, and we need somebody.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 16: And that's it. And I let the guy call back
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 16: and yell. Let me for being any vulatory.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: I hear what Todd is saying completely, and I think
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: you look at this this group of quarterbacks. Is another
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: point I made in the mailbag. Is thirty six year
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: old Kirk Cousins coming off an achilles tear at thirty
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: five million dollars a year?
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 6: In answer is hell getting benched for two rookies.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 5: Is trading a top one hundred pick for Justin Fields?
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: The answer like, Baker Mayfield is not coming here, Like
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: I understand people keep on floating that possibility. Uh, he's
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: going to be in Tampa. Like he's not coming here,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: So what what? Who's playing quarterback for this team if
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 5: you're not drafting one? Like it just that's the hardest
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: part of going away from quarterback at the top of
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: the draft is that there's no good options, Like you're
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: not paying Kirk Cousins that kind of money justin fields
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 5: is just as much of a of a chance as
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 5: taking one of these qbs in the draft. Is So,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 5: where are you going to find that quarterback from? Because
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 5: you're not rolling Mac Jones back out there next year.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 9: Absolutely?
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: No, he's got a new uh necklace. By the way,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: let's head down to Matt in Virginia Beach might be
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: Parlo Territory. Was there, Matt? You didn't see Paul down there?
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: Digit he's just doing some school tours.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 13: No, no Paul down here. But I'll keep I'll keep
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 13: my eyes field again.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: What do you got.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 13: It's good afternoon, everybody. Two quick questions for you, one
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 13: Patriots related, one not first question I had was the
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 13: themes with with the amount of depth that's at wide
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 13: receiver and tackle looking at the first round of the draft,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 13: I feel like it could push some defensive players down
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 13: or maybe even out of the first round. And is
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 13: there a defensive player that you guys would consider at
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 13: thirty four should they happen to be there. And the
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 13: second question is just wondered if anybody tuned into the
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 13: Daytona five hundred yesterday, and so what do you think?
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, thanks, Matt.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 5: Appreciate my father. I'm sure he did, so maybe maybe
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 5: he can tell.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: You that's two car references and two calls there.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: So I thought, you know, there's nothing like a NASCAR nap.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: My step dad is my stepdad's golf now.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 8: Those two like a Master's Sunday and Appea, no, my
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 8: stepdad grew up very much in the NASCAR scene and
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 8: his family's still down in North Carolina.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: They build chassis actually.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 8: But like so the chaces were like always on in
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 8: my mom's house when he was home, and I just
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 8: I just remember cracking up because he'd just sleeped through
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 8: the whole race, wake up for the last twenty laps, just.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 6: The most important part.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's like kind of I say the same
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 8: thing about like Saturday morning soccer.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: I just like it on in the background sometimes, you gotta.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 5: My father's in the car business, so he is a
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: huge NASCAR guy, and I grew up watching a lot
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 5: of NASCAR, grew up going aloud into New Hampshire the
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 5: track every single year we were there. So as a kid,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 5: I was, you know, I could you started talking about
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 5: like mid two thousands NASCAR drivers. I can rattle off
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 5: like like twenty of them, but not so much anymore.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 5: But he did text me yesterday and to remind me
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 5: that Daytona was was going on.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: Did you ever watch a cold trickle? Drive it all?
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 5: That's not a real person, but a trickle. See Days
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: of Thunder, I know, I know, Days of Thunders. Yeah,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: they pull him over on the highway, right, I mean, you.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: Know him and Rusty they got into a little bit. Yeah.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: I love Days of Thunder a good movie. I was
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 5: actually watching Tall Daked Nights together.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: I know, I know the question about taking a defender
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: at the top of the second probably maybe, Yeah, it
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: makes you want to puke. I've mentioned Darius Robinson a
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: couple of just because every time you do a mock
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: draft he's kind of sitting there. He's a senior bol guy,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: but you know, going back to like the defensive line
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: and free agency, like a guy like Wilkins or you know,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: you can kind of fill that hole. And I don't
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: think it's a huge hole, but you know, Darius Robinson
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: one that just you know, he's always kind of there.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 6: How far away from are we from just not taking
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 6: defense in the draft anymore because you can't tackle.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: I mean the point I mean, Evan took one guy
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: in his mock and the seventh round I took like
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: two as flyers.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 6: Like, are you going to take a linebacker? He's just
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 6: going to get a flag for every hip drap backle Like,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 6: just take a receiver.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 9: I would not be opposed for this being like a
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 9: ninety offense offensive draft.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: No, it should And that's you know, and that's you know,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: going back to the point of the free agency thing
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: is like you could really add some impact defenders that
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: improve your defense, you know, don't just like kind of
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: plug some holes make your defense better and then really
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: just go all out in the offense, you know, get
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: the young, fast, fresh legs on the offensive side of
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: the ball. I don't know, it makes it makes sense,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: but a lot of different about it.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: You can never have have too many pass rushes and
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: you can never have too many corners. So if there's
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: one of those players that's sitting there at thirty four
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 5: that you feel like, is you know, a shutdown corner
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: or a high end pass rusher, then I'm not gonna
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: get too mad about it. The other spot that I
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 5: do wonder about where they're going to go is free safety,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 5: Like are they going to look for that true center fielder,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: you know, Devin mccordy type of free safety. They don't
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 5: have one of those. There's not really an obvious one
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 5: with you know, antonin Winfield is probably gonna get tagged
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 5: by Tampa, So there's not an obvious one in free agency.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 5: So maybe guy like Cameron Kitchens from Miami is someone
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 5: that could last to thirty four. That is a true
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 5: like post safety, you know, middle of the field range
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 5: to go sideline to sideline type of guy. But you know,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: I don't know if that's how they're gonna play defense.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 5: You know, modern defense a lot more split safety coverage,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: you know, different types of looks that you don't necessarily
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 5: need that Ed Reid, you know, in the middle of
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 5: the field.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Oh this is I don't know if I can read
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: this one. But how do youngins induced? Thank you. I
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: appreciate that. Don't lump me in with any youngins As
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: a Michigan guy, I'm giving McCarthy the thumbs down.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 5: Michigan people will attack me when I say anything bad
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: about JJ McCarthy.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: I know the criteria for judging a QB is living
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: in the same state. McCarthy's all the tools, but he
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: is nothing special, carried by an amazing team around him,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: never had to deal with pressure in his face, really
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: had to play from behind, doesn't have great counting stats.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: Kind of sounds like.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 9: Matt Literally that's mac.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: I have to agree with Matisse in a way. Tendy's
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: are certainly not better than Prime Rib, but Prime Rib
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: is significantly overrated. Give me any cut of steak over
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: Prime Rib any day's for dessert rankings, can only wan
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: chocolate cake two, chocolate chip cookies three.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: I agree that greater than Prime Rib, that's true, but.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 6: It probably take steak over to Actually, no, Tendys are
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 6: just too good, man.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 9: It's the way he calls them.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: A bad tendy, and I'm off Tendy's. You know, you
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. You, Yeah, everybody knows what
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: you're talking You get a bad tendy. Everyone in the
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: world knows what I'm talking about. And it's just it's
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: like they left the tendon in there, like like there's
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: like some kind of sinew if you will phoneless wings,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: well we can we can get into that way. Without
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: the guys. All right, So we got one from Dan
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: and Va via Michigan. Goodayat PU crew. Uh. Firstly, great
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: to see the young guns having the run of the
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: studio today. I'm not really a young gun.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 5: But dude, just go, just going.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: Secondly, I'm shattered, shattered to learn that Fred is a
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: big reply all guy. Fred is like a father or
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: fun uncle to pe you a nation, and to find
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: out that he has a serious character like this is
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: just devastating. Next time you're telling us the microwaves fish
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: in the office kitchen, we have a joke about that.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: I could see that.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: Thirdly, it's tough losing Slater. The man is one hundred
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: percent class. A level of character unfortunately all too rare,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: and not only sports but public life in general. Who
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: becomes the leader in the locker room now? Is there
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: a player who's ready to pick up the mantle or
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: is it a space waiting for someone to emerge.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: There's never going to be another Matthew Slater in terms
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: of leadership. I think, you know that's that's a that's
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: gonna take an army like that. It's going to have
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: to be multiple guys. And you know, I think that
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: leadership also is gonna if you start winning games, then
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden it becomes easier.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden it's it's a chemistry to it,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: and you know, how are you winning? Who are the
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: guys that are leading the way?
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: I mean I think, you know, I expect my boy
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: Jabril Peppers to continue to kind of bring that emotional energy.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: But I mean that was a huge bowl. When they
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: lost jeed On last year, that was the first thing
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: I thought of was, you know, just where's the energy,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: Where's you know, I'm going to miss his press conferences
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: and you know, keeping it light and you know, he
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: was such a big part of it, and you know,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: as you've you know, speculated that you know, he could
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: be depending on contract issues, maybe not here have to
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: keep him. It's something that they've they've got to figure
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: out for sure.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 9: I could see a guy like Dietrich Wise being like
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 9: like he's a leader already a captain.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 9: He's more on the quiet side, like he really speaks,
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 9: he keeps himself. But Whise, I think I could see
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 9: him kind of I think.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: You need kind of a Willie McGinnis that like everyone's
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: kind of afraid of and I think everyone to a standard,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: you know that.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: I feel like that's Bentley. And when I talked to
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 5: Devin mccorty about Drod Mayo, he said, when Mayo retired,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 5: like he knew that he wasn't going to be able
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 5: to step into that like intimidator leadership role because Mayo
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 5: was both. Mayo was a talker and he had that
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: like you know, policing the locker a type of thing.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: And so he said that basically, you know, mccordy took
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 5: over the raw rah, you know, leadership, he said to
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: the defense, and High Tower took over. They'll like, I'm
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 5: gonna kill you if you mess up, right, And so
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 5: I kind of look at Bentley as somebody that could
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: be that kind of intimidator type of leader. And you know,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 5: they they're gonna need a new voice, you know that,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 5: That's I think what they're still searching for.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, L from Wisconsin just chimes insane. The callers that
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: want to trade down and not get a QB are
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: going to make me explode. Yes, this team needs a
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: lot know who else has an offense with subpar players
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: Kansas City that they have a great QB. Had that
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: workout for them.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure that they have put maybe the best.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: James Pettigrew, who I'm officially a responsibility to call him
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: the most interesting Patriots fan in the world. Will Mapou
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: flourished this season. I had high hopes, but sort of
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: forgot about him as we thought Bill was holding him back. Marte,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: Marte Mapu. Go, they're gonna use him right linebacker 'lb.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 5: I don't want to hear anything more about hybrid. Okay,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 5: like that sounds cool in theory, like, oh, he's a
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 5: he's a hybrid. He plays anywhere, Like yeah, not for
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: you make a Matt Milano.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: But Rego chimes in. If Jefferson becomes available, I assume justin, Yeah, Thomas,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: I think that's priority number one for the Patriots. They
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: have to do whatever it takes to acquire him.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, try two first round picks and probably more.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and then paying him.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, look, I justin Jefferson's probably my favorite
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 5: receiver that I've ever studied in the draft, like a
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: number one. I was so sure that about that guy
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: coming out. I would absolutely love him to be a Patriot.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 5: It would make my day.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: But get you're gritty.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 5: It's it's kind of how I feel about Marvin Harrison.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 5: It's like, does it make sense like to trade all
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 5: those assets for a receiver right now? Like it just
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 5: doesn't make any sense.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: Well, we've seen Kirk Cousins and him together, like what
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, Like that's what it is, Like.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's as good as it's gonna get. It just
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 5: doesn't They're not Unfortunately, They're just not in a spot
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 5: to do something like that. Like if this was two
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 5: years from now and they had the quarterback and they
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 5: were just looking to add the final pieces to the puzzle.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 5: And that's different the.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: One piece away moves, you know. It's that like there's
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: certain moves that are one piece away. And again, I'm
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: gonna stay this all off season, Like does a move
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: help you get to Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen, Like
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: I just see those two guys sitting above us when
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: I even mentioned Burrow or Tua, but those are the
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: guys that you have to beat. Does Dustin Jefferson help
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: you not?
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: Come on?
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe, but mostly I'd say no with like
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: guys like kir Cousins and all that. Sam from Kentucky
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: chiming in about twenty twenty one. I know we're moving
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: on to the draft, We're going to free agency.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 9: Sam.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: We didn't need second. We've probably seen the last of
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones and a Pat Jersey Pats Jersey. But I
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: went back and watched a few games from the twenty
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: twenty one season. The defense definitely helped out, but Mac
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: looked comfortable and did have some success. I wouldn't say
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: they were a great team, but I definitely say they
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: were least a good team. What do you think went wrong?
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 5: Oh? God, how much time?
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 9: Long story short? He lost his confidence.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that that's a good way to sup
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: it up other teams.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: Do you look at a little bit.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's like the first That's the one thing I
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: kind of disagree with because I I think that all
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 5: every quarterback has a skill set, right like, and every
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 5: quarterback plays a certain way. So really, I feel like
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 5: his development just stopped after twenty twenty one, and they
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 5: never kept the needle moving in the right direction after
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 5: that because of various reasons. You know, I feel like
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: he would have been fine adjusting to some of the
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 5: things that maybe defenses were doing with him. If he
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 5: didn't have Man Patricia as his offensive coordinator. If they
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 5: never you know, DeVante Parker is their big offseason move
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 5: at receiver. Like if they had actually done it correctly
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: in the rebuild, then I think he would have gotten
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: over that. But confidence, I think is a big part
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: of it. You know, you watch him play, he's you know, decisive,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 5: he's not you know, anti in the pocket, poised right
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: like and now all that is just the opposite.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: I still have the image in my mind of him
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: the first time we saw him in like me camp
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: rookie when rookie me and camp would have been just
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: ots or something. But it was like just he looked
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: more comfortable in the pocket, like his first time I
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: saw him on the practice field than he did last year.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: It was crazy, though, I mean, you know, and especially
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: it stood out to me just because having come from
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: watching Stidham, you know, as a rookie a couple of
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: years earlier, not not in mini camp, but at least
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: in training camp where you know, you could just feel it,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: and that's kind of where Mac ended up. It's just
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: it's one of those bizarre things where just because a
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: guy looks a certain way, even like right out of.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 6: The gate for Week one Miami. It was like, you know,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 6: you went from Tom, then he went from Cam and
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 6: then you like you hear the new cadence and he
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 6: completes the first pass like oh, like all right, we're good,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 6: We're good, all right, cool enjoying the next twenty years.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 6: And now it's just kind of like he just needs
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 6: a fresh start. I won't be surprised if he goes
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 6: somewhere and plays pretty well, to be honest, but he
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 6: just needs to.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: I just I just will never stop wondering. Not that
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: I think that Matt Jones would have been this Hall
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 5: of Fame level quarterback, but if McDaniels never leaves and
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 5: they just keep the train rolling from twenty eight into
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty two, you know what, what would have it
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: had looked like? Like, you know, would he had been
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 5: at Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, you know, level quarterback that
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 5: they could have won with. But we'll never know.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: Nope, Well, we just got a commercial insurance quote here
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: to the mailbag, but I'm gonna I'm gonna ignore that one. Sorry,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: we don't know to This is Jase from Canada, just
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: wondering how next year's team needs, how next year's team needs,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: assuming everything goes according to you guys as mock drafts.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: I know it's extremely early, but how is next year's
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: draft class looking that we can't get next year?
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 9: Sure?
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: The Fred thing was like, what.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: I will I will always have a vendetta against. What
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 5: does next year's draft class look like? What did Jaden
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 5: Daniels look like? A year ago? No one had any
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: idea that Jayden Daniels was going to be a Heisman
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 5: Trophy winner and a top ten pick in the draft.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: You could say that about so many guys, Joe Burrow,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 5: you know so many guys, so I would hesitate to
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 5: say anything about what the quarterbacks look like in next
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: year's class. There's some guys that have potential, Shador Shadoor,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 5: you know, Carson Beck from Georgia. Like, there's some guys
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 5: that have talent, you know, Quinnie Orys in Texas. Which
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 5: way their their final year goes? Who the heck knows?
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 5: It could either be you know, chaudor could be talked
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 5: about it Caleb Williams has talked about or it could
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 5: be talked about like a Day two pick.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: I have no idea, Indy and Cleveland wants to know
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: of anybody any interest in Russell Wilson. Anybody no any
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: thoughts on scheme fit as well of in the specific request.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 5: Oh for me fit with Russell Wilson. Uh, not a
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 5: big under center guy, Russell Wilson. You know, Russell Wilson's
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 5: always been put him in the gun, let him survey everything,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 5: you know, at least once he became Russell Wilson. Maybe
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 5: early on with like Marshaun Lynch, they were maybe we're
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 5: a little bit more under center. But even then, you know,
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 5: because of his mobility, a lot of it was option stuff, right,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: you know, trying to use his mobility to impact the
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 5: run games. So I would say that he's more of
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 5: a spread quarterback, more of a gun quarterback. But if
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 5: it was like Russell Wilson gets cut by the Broncos
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 5: and then is just like trying to catch on for
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 5: the twenty twenty four season at a big discount, then
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 5: that's that's one thing, you know, is could he be
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: a bridge quarterback for twenty twenty four Cam Newton's style.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: Let's ride? Maybe Patriots Nation, Let's ride.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 8: If he's willing to give his teammates his phone number, no, but.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: Will they go to his birthday party?
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 9: Like?
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: These are my favorite things, like did everyone go to
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: his birthday party? Did he unfollow the team on social media?
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: These are like the modern things that get out of
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: Oh I don't know, he had a surprise party, but
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: not everybody.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 9: Want It is weird that now like free agency has
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 9: come to that. I mean even with Deebo. With Deebo
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 9: last year, like he unfollowed like everything forty nine ers,
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 9: deleted every forty nineers picture on his page until the
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 9: deal is.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 6: Done in the club making signs mas.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: It's like, already unfollow y'all anymore?
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 5: So annoying. I mean, hey, I just think they liked
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 5: the attention, honestly, like oh, justin Fields one all the
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 5: Bears and then it like it's like a story for
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 5: like fifteen minutes, and I should.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: I mean we should all, but you don't just do that.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 6: No, you don't like you me?
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: He doesn't follow me?
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 9: Well, but I think he's like I don't need any more.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 9: It makes sense though, because it's like they obviously can't
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 9: draft Caleb Williams and keep him.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 17: So like yeah, yeah, if somebody has to do something,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 17: the Bear's decision I find to be pretty easy. Like,
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 17: I think it's your choice Caleb Williams, Like, I think
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 17: that's not even a question.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 6: But I I think contract wise both, I think both.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 5: But mostly skill. But you know, just in terms of
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 5: you know, what Caleb Williams can do as a passer
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: is just a lot more advanced, I would say, than
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: what Justin Fields brings to the table. But what I
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 5: find interesting about Chicago is you know, what is Justin
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 5: Fields actually worth on the open market? Like, is you
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 5: know there's there's rumors out there that he could be
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 5: worth like a back into the first round pick, Like
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 5: you can give up a first round pick for Justin Fields.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 5: Like it's just interesting.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: This is like one of those moments where Duke chimes
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: in with something that everybody knew a year ago. But
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: I was I was doing some research on Brendan Rice.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and Caleb Williams uncorked the pass to him
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: that like he's gonna go through his body Like it
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: was it was like, you know, Cab Williams outside the
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: pocket and then just stops and just absolutely uncorked one.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, I've ever seen somebody throw
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: a ball that hard. From like thirty yards out and
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know I caught it, but there it is.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 5: You know, there's a there's a new word amongst draft Twitter.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 5: Oh boy, that a new a new adjective to describe
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 5: a quarterback arm elasticity.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 9: No, I think you I think I think you got
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 9: that wrong. It's not draft Twitter. That's nerd Twitter.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 5: That's that's draft twitter Twitter. So you know, like having
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 5: you know, you know that elastic arm that like just
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 5: from any angle, any platform, you can just flick the
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 5: wrist and the ball goes sixty yards. That's Cab Williams.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 9: I'd say Michael Pennix has that too.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 5: I don't know if he has.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 6: I don't know. If he just doesn't want to watch
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 6: a left lefty quarterback, I'll just watch it.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 9: Through even doesn't either doesn't want to lefty.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 5: No, I especially don't want a lefty that has an
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 5: awkward throwing motion. Like on top of him being a lefty,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 5: he also throws already like Phil like from like the
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 5: side we'll be.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: We'll be backs facing to the field on the press
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: box and just watching through a mirror watching.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 5: If you watch to a flipped it makes a huge difference. Yeah,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 5: you're like, oh wow, why can't you.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: Just do that the flip horizontal filter?
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 9: Who, I just want to know who's in desperate need
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 9: for fields outside of obviously the Patriots.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 6: Falcons, Steelers, the Falcons.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 5: The Falcons is probably the best fit because they do
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 5: have some supporting cast members that can help him. Yeah,
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: that too, but you know, having him in an offense
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: with Bijon and with Drake London and Kyle Pitts like
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 5: that is intriguing if you're Atlanta. I just I can't
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 5: gauge his market right now in terms of trade value
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 5: because like, what has he really shown? Has he shown
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 5: that he's a starting caliber? Just keeps showing the game
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 5: from here for twenty and then I did this to
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 5: the Patriots.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and then we didn't win again for another year.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 9: So that would be so, say, if he did go
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 9: to the Falcons and then that put what Caleb Williams
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 9: at two and then Patriots at what would you take?
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 5: Well, you mean.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 9: One?
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 5: He go one?
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 9: Well, yeah, yeah, one?
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 5: And then who would it depends on who the commanders
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 5: take like that. You know, I don't know.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: I could see something dumb do something dumb.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 9: I could see the commanders.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 5: I could see the commanders taking Jayden Daniels because if
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 5: you're Cliff Kingsbury in that style of offense, you know,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 5: the air raid, like, you want a quarterback that's mobile
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 5: and that can run around a little bit. And I
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 5: look at you know, the success that he's had most
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 5: of the time, it's come with you know, Kyler when
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 5: he was healthy in Arizona. You know a guy like
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes in college, Like, those guys are all mobile
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 5: and you can all move around. Now Drake May is
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 5: not immobile, but obviously, you know Jayden dan it was
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 5: a different level of mobility. So if you're looking at
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 5: trying to unlock the entire Kingsbury offense, have some of
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 5: that RPO, have some of those option runs like that's
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 5: definitely more a fit for Jaden Daniels. So I wouldn't
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: rule out commanders taking Daniels that too.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 9: Do we think all this is going to be ironed
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 9: out as far as like that trade if it does happen,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 9: do you think it'll happen like well before the draft
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 9: or you think we'll be finding out like draft mourning,
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 9: like they're not picking at one or they are.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: I think that's probably more common, you know, closer to
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: like everybody wants to feel it out and you know,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: try to play this against that and this is what
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: they're offering, and you know usually but but I think
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  Speaker 1: anything could happen. I mean, it's you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I remember what when Clowney got drafted, it was like
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  Speaker 1: two days in advance. You knew, yeah, that that was
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  Speaker 1: the pick, and they told everybody.
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  Speaker 5: So it's a unique circumstance, I think because Justin Fields
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  Speaker 5: has shown just enough that if you're a team Mike
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  Speaker 5: Atlanta or even the Patriots to an extent, like you
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  Speaker 5: could convince yourself that that could be the guy, and
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  Speaker 5: that that guy usually doesn't get moved like too often
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  Speaker 5: in Arizona did it. They let go Josh Rosen like
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 5: nobody thought Josh Josh rozen was terrible, Like no one
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  Speaker 5: thought that he was going to be anything, and he wasn't.
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  Speaker 5: So that was like a no brainer. Like this one,
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  Speaker 5: there's at least an argument to be made that Justin
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  Speaker 5: Fields is good enough to be a starting quarterback in
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 5: this league.
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  Speaker 1: Try to bang out these last two emails. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I've done a great shob today on the emails,
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  Speaker 1: getting through that you've been said, Please write in and
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  Speaker 1: tell Fred that I read almost every single one of them.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: This one's from Jake going back to adding defensive pieces,
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  Speaker 1: and this was touched on before. I think corner is
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  Speaker 1: a sneaky need. Amidst amidst all the talks about quarterback,
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: wide receiver, etc. Jay Jones is thirty one this year,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: Marcus Jones unproven, Miles Bryant good role player free agent.
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  Speaker 1: That leaves just Christian Gonzalez coming off a major injury.
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  Speaker 1: Jac Jackson is probably gonna get cut in Alex Austin.
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  Speaker 1: I think we really need someone to lock down the
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: side of the field opposite. Gonzo would love to hear
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: the gang's thoughts. I'll offer mine real quick. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't disagree, but I think Donathan don't, Donnithan didn't.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: I can't talk here at the end of the show.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I still think he's got a lot in
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: the tank. He played through injury last year, so I'm
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: not like, oh, we got to replace him immediately. I
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: do think that's a long term need. But I'd throw
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: Isaiah Bolden in there, who unfortunately didn't make it out
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: of that that Green Bay game. Scary concussion, spent the
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: year on IR, but was really just a big dude
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: who was getting some chances. I don't want to like
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: say that, oh he was in the mix to be
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: a start or anything like that, but I don't know.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: Just from the limited amount we saw him, he's intriguing
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: to me, like he's just got He's a specimen as
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: far as size and speed and all that. So I
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: just I think I do think slots of Need. I
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: think they need maybe make an addition there in free agency.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: But I think I'm okay with Gonzalez and Jonathan Jones
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: on the outside at least the start, and then you know,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: let Jonathan Jones slide inside if you need to on
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: on you know, passing downs.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll see what Kansas City does with the franchise attack.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 5: They're not going to attack Chris Jones, but they might
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 5: tackle Jerious Need. But if he hits free agency, I
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 5: would give the back to Lagarious Steed like him and
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 5: Christian Gonzales, you know, the same field together. Good luck
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 5: throwing against that secondary. You'd be in for a long day.
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  Speaker 1: Good luck. One last one, last one here from Ray
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  Speaker 1: who oh geez, oh geez, Ray, Good job though he
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: I mean he laid out the whole off season. I
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: mean I can kind of run through some of it.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, he wants to cut Ja C. Jackson,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: cut Jamichael Hasty for some savings.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 5: Got to.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: Know what did I do?
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  Speaker 9: I would love to add another J in there and
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 9: cut Juju.
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  Speaker 1: But he likes a lot of the internal. I mean
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: he's got when You and Born and Duggar and Elliott
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: and Henry and Mills and j Farrell Brown and Jalen
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: Rigger and Anthrony Jenny and Myles. But I mean he's
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: got everybody kind of being resigned, which I have a
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: little bit of a hard time seeing with like Jalen Mills,
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott, I mean Farrell Brown, I'd be I'd be
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: down with you kind of do you want to keep seek?
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't. We talked about it. Shows that's
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: like the one.
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  Speaker 9: In the draft.
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  Speaker 5: Do you mean a free agency either? But like free agency?
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 5: I wonder And I know this is probably a longer
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 5: conversation than we don't have time for, but at some
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 5: point the running back position is gonna be so undervalue
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 5: that it's almost a value, right, And like you look
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 5: at a lot of these backs, like, is Derek Henry
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 5: gonna get paid again? You know, Tony Pollard, Austin Eckler,
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 5: Josh Jacobs, Saquon Barkley, Like those are some big names
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: in free agency, and if they get to free agency
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 5: and there's no money there for them, like you might
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 5: be able to get Saquon Barkley at six.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 9: Million a year, but he's an injury prone.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 5: But he's not gonna be your number one back, like
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 5: you know, or at least he's gonna be in a
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 5: platoon with Rimandre. So like, I just look at these
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 5: running backs and at some point it almost becomes value.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 5: It gets a zig when everybody else is zagging that
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 5: you look at it and you say, well, if no
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 5: one else is gonna pay the guy that was the
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 5: rushing champ two years ago and Josh Jacobs, then you
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 5: know we can get him at X price, Like it
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 5: almost becomes a value. So I look at that and
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 5: I wonder if maybe one of those guys is worth it.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 5: I really like Eckler and Pollard.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm just gonna finish here with the draft that
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: Ray lays out because it's I think it's it's these
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: are the kind of thoughts that are going through my head.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: So in the first one with Jaden Daniels. In the
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: second he said, best offensive tackle available Jordan Morgan, Patrick,
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: Paul Tyler Goyton. Third, best wide receiver, offensive tackle, tight
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: end available, Roman Wilson, Jalen mcmill and, Malchai Corley, Kingsley,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: Suwamattaya and Javon Foster. Fourth best wide receiver, rot tight
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: end available again Blake Fisher, Katee Stover, Brendan Rice, Javon Foster,
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: Ricky Purcell. Fifth running back, Blake Watson, Frank cor Junior,
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: six another quarterback maybe, and then the seventh kicker, free safety, quarterback.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: I mean I kind of agree just generally with the
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: top where it's like quarterback, offensive tackle, receiver, tight end.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: Like in the first two days, you need to check
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: a few of those boxes.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think that. You know, the interesting thing
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: is is where do you let the board kind of
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 5: fall to you. Is it a tackle, is it at receiver.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 5: I think at tackle you're risking it. I think there's
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 5: like eight really good tackles in this class, maybe ten
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 5: guys that can play, and then that parade's going to
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 5: go by quickly, so if you are sitting there, you
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 5: know you don't take one with your first two picks
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 5: by the time you get to the third round. I'm
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 5: not sure if there is a Day one starter at
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 5: tackle whereas a receiver there. There could be. With the
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 5: death in this class.
• 1:59:10
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