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Did Hollywood Brat, 35, DISMEMBER WIFE ALIVE? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease. A beautiful young mom's torso
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Speaker 1: turns up and a local dumpster. Her parents are missing.
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Speaker 1: Why is the case not yet totally solved? This as
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Speaker 1: we learn in the last few hours, very odd circumstances
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Speaker 1: surrounding the cut marks on the young mom's body. What,
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Speaker 1: if anything, do they reveal? The beautiful young mom May Hskell,
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Speaker 1: just thirty seven years old. It was stated that police
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Speaker 1: believe her torso was found in a dumpster. That is
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Speaker 1: in her torso has been found in a dumpster. No
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Speaker 1: thanks to the killer who conveniently removed her head and
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Speaker 1: fingerprints and any bodily identification such as a birthmark or
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Speaker 1: a tattoo all gone. Whoever killed her? And I think
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Speaker 1: I know who it was, Sam Haskell knew exactly what
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Speaker 1: he was doing, So don't jump up and claim insanity
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Speaker 1: on me. And again we're still looking for her parents.
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Speaker 1: But what more have we learned in the last hours.
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Speaker 1: I meansy grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us here at Crime Stories and on Serrius
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Speaker 1: XM one eleven. First of all, take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Dave matt Crime Online.
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Speaker 2: The headless torso of a female was found in a
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Speaker 2: trash dumpster Encino, California, by a homeless man just after
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Speaker 2: six am on November eight, twenty twenty three. The torso
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Speaker 2: was identified the following month as thirty seven year old
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Speaker 2: Melee Haskell, and now four months later, the autopsy report
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Speaker 2: has been released. According to the autopsy report, her cause
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Speaker 2: of death has been deferred, but given the circumstances of
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Speaker 2: the case, which includes the deliberate concealment of the body
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Speaker 2: by dismemberment and disposal, the manner of death is homicidal violence.
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Speaker 1: I guess so unless she dismembered herself and then jumped
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Speaker 1: into a dumpster, that told me actually something very important
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Speaker 1: that the cod cause of death is deferred. Why is
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Speaker 1: that important? That means that on her torso we can't
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Speaker 1: tell why she died. And there is conversation, and not
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Speaker 1: wild speculation, but conversation regarding the question. Was may dismembered
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Speaker 1: while still alive? That said, take a listen to this.
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Speaker 3: According to the autopsy report, whoever did this dismembered the
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Speaker 3: torso with a single sharp force injury at the base
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Speaker 3: of the NTI your neck. No fatal injuries were found
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Speaker 3: on the torso The report further states High School's head,
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Speaker 3: majority of the neck and majority of all four extremities
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Speaker 3: as absent, and the amputation sites as remarkably smooth, which
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Speaker 3: suggests a sharp power tool was likely used.
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Speaker 1: Listen, I'm just a trial lawyer, Okay. I need an
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Speaker 1: expert in joining me as an all star panel to
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Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to Gg McKelvey, host of the podcast Pretty Lies and Alibis,
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Speaker 1: but first to renowned death investigator, professor forensics Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star
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Speaker 1: of a hit podcast series Body Bags That, Joseph Scott.
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Speaker 1: Morgan Scott, thank you for being with us. So what
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Speaker 1: I say? He is a professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University.
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Speaker 1: He and Jacksonville State University has helped me do not one,
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Speaker 1: but two very detailed recreates of crimes, one over sixty
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Speaker 1: years old. Their criminal procedure and criminal Law undergrad program
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Speaker 1: is amazing. Scott, thank you for being with us. I
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Speaker 1: need you to help me. I think I know what
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Speaker 1: it means, but before I would stand up in front
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Speaker 1: of a jury and explain it and regular people taught
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Speaker 1: so that somebody like me could understand it. I would
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Speaker 1: absolutely consult with an expert. The quote head majority of
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Speaker 1: the neck and majority of all four extremities, which means
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Speaker 1: your two arms and your two legs are absent. And
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Speaker 1: the quote amputation sites. I've never heard of a dismemberment
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Speaker 1: referred to as an amputation site. But okay, are remarkably smooth.
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Speaker 1: What does that mean?
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Speaker 4: That means that these insults that she sustained, these injuries
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Speaker 4: which are post mortem, perhaps came with some something that
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Speaker 4: could deliver sufficient amount of force. And it's kind of interesting, Nancy,
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Speaker 4: because in one of the little segments that was read
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Speaker 4: just a moment ago relative to the autopsy report, they
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Speaker 4: talked about a sharp force, a single sharp force injury. Well,
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Speaker 4: that implies that maybe some instruments used and wielded at her.
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Speaker 4: But then they go on to say that there is
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Speaker 4: evidence of a power tool. That's significant because power tools
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Speaker 4: leave very specific markings behind on the bone, and they
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Speaker 4: create clean edges in the tissue itself. It's not like
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Speaker 4: you have to go through it over and over and
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Speaker 4: over again, pounding away. This is something that they can
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Speaker 4: actually tie back. This is tremendous physical evidence. If they
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Speaker 4: can find that tool, they can marry that up through
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Speaker 4: tool mark examination, which in the medical legal field we
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Speaker 4: work with tool mark examiners all the time. The big
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Speaker 4: tail here is going to be on that surface of
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Speaker 4: the bone. When you look down it, it'll have little
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Speaker 4: spiral swirls in it like this, and I think that's
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Speaker 4: probably what they're looking at.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't want to interrupt to you in case
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Speaker 1: there was any part of what you said that I
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Speaker 1: could understand. So let's start at the beginning, and sadly,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to have to grill you like July the
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Speaker 1: fourth barbecue. Okay, let's start at the very beginning. You
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Speaker 1: said a lot, but let's start with amputation sites remarkably smooth,
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Speaker 1: which suggests a power tool was likely used. You Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan also use the phraseology post mortem. Quote perhaps
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Speaker 1: quote your word, not mine. What would indicate to you
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Speaker 1: if anything that may could have been dismembered or partially
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Speaker 1: dismembered while alive.
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Speaker 4: That's a very simple assessment. What you're looking for while
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Speaker 4: the heart is beating, Obviously, you're looking for if this,
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Speaker 4: if this trauma took place anti mortem, which means before death,
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Speaker 4: you're going to see these little focal areas of hemorrhage
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Speaker 4: in the soft tissue. That means the muscle that even
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Speaker 4: into the bone, you'll see this. If it's a post mortem,
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Speaker 4: after death event, you're going to be absent that. And
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Speaker 4: I find it very curious that they've kind of entertained
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Speaker 4: this thought because they're seeking here to try to determine what.
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Speaker 1: Her entertain what thought uh.
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Speaker 4: Well, that this has been put forth in the media
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Speaker 4: that there is a possibility that she was alive while
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Speaker 4: she was being dismembered, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: But I'm asking you, not some wing nut on the
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Speaker 1: internet making things up. If you were to look at
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Speaker 1: a torso alone, jos Scott Morgan, what if anything would
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Speaker 1: tell you she had been dismembered while alive.
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Speaker 4: Those focal areas of hemorrhage, they would be there in
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Speaker 4: the soft tissue. You could appreciate them.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean focal areas of hemorrhage? Do you
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Speaker 1: mean she would have bled but she didn't, which means
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Speaker 1: her heart wasn't pumping, which means she was already dead
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Speaker 1: when she was dismembered. Yes, no, yes, okay, I can't
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Speaker 1: believe you actually answered yes or no. Jackie, he did it.
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Speaker 1: I think I just won one hundred dollars.
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Speaker 4: Red letter Day, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Big day for me, Big day for me. Hold on,
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Speaker 1: can you look at a torso no arms, no head,
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Speaker 1: no neck, no legs at the as they say, amputation sites,
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Speaker 1: the severing. How would you be able to tell if
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Speaker 1: they didn't bleed? I mean they had to believe whether
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Speaker 1: her heart was pumping or not.
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Speaker 4: And right, wrong, wrong, what you look for are in life,
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Speaker 4: if you sustain an injury, you're going to get a hemorrhage,
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Speaker 4: just like a bruise, okay, or cut. Everybody can identify
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Speaker 4: with that all of those other sites that are absent
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Speaker 4: that hemorrhage that I refer to, where it's seep out
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Speaker 4: into the interstitial tissue, that tissue that's surrounding the area.
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Speaker 1: WHOA wait, wait, haven't we talked about you not talking
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Speaker 1: like that? Okay? So are you saying that if she
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Speaker 1: were still alive when she was dismembered, I would see
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Speaker 1: bleeding on the outside possibly if her skin where she
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Speaker 1: the the arms, legs were amputated. But also you're saying
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Speaker 1: interstitial tissue I think is what you said inside I
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Speaker 1: would see bleeding as well.
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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it's okay.
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Speaker 1: Wait, I think I've got it. Hey, you do know
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Speaker 1: if you say something right now, I'll totally lose this
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Speaker 1: train of thought. Okay, so don't unravel this. Wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: let me get my mind around this. Can you imagine
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Speaker 1: what I put the poor medical examiner through before he
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Speaker 1: went on the stand she went on the STANMD. So
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Speaker 1: this is what I'm getting at Joe Scott. If her
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Speaker 1: body had been wiped down for let's just say the
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Speaker 1: killer Sam Haskells finger prints or DNA, I wouldn't get
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Speaker 1: that blood, the bleeding on the outside. But you're telling
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Speaker 1: me if she was alive at the time of the dismemberment,
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Speaker 1: there would be bleeding on the inside. Like when you
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Speaker 1: get a bruise. There would be bruising or blood inside
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Speaker 1: her tissue where the arms were cut off.
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Speaker 4: Yes, that's accurate.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that just made a lot of sense to me.
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Speaker 1: So you, as a death investigator or a medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: can look at this torso and you will be able
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Speaker 1: to tell me, upon microscopic inspection of the severance. Yes,
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Speaker 1: whether she was dead or alive at the time.
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Speaker 4: Yes, you can. And here's One more factor is that
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Speaker 4: once you establish that, you look at all these other
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Speaker 4: sites and you see those that are absent hemorrhage Nancy,
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Speaker 4: and it kind of begins to tighten down that time
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Speaker 4: frame relative to the post mortem interval. How long had
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Speaker 4: she been dead? Perhaps? And my understanding is, and this
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Speaker 4: is very valuable, they found her remains rather quickly, so
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Speaker 4: they would have been able to do some kind of
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Speaker 4: assessment about this. I think it's not like she had
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Speaker 4: been down for ever and ever. Amen, like a lot
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Speaker 4: of the cases.
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Speaker 5: That we cover.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Greece, J Scott, you're telling me
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Speaker 1: that if the dismemberment had started before she was dead, Yes,
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Speaker 1: you will be able under a microscope, because you're looking
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Speaker 1: at the very delicate tissue around the cuts, around the severance.
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Speaker 1: You're looking to see if there's as you call it,
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Speaker 1: hemorrhag ing, bruising, bleeding inside that tissue. You'll be able
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Speaker 1: to tell me, for instance, she was alive when her
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Speaker 1: arms were cut off. By the time her legs were
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Speaker 1: cut off, she was dead. Is that what you're trying
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Speaker 1: to say?
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Speaker 4: Yes, and you don't need a microscope to ascertain that.
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Speaker 4: You can actually see that with what we refer to
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Speaker 4: as the unaided eye.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, It's just like seeing a breuse on anyone else. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: and you could appreciate that, And they would have at
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Speaker 4: the Emmy's office in La County, which their top notch man,
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Speaker 4: they would have been able to pick up that very
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Speaker 4: very quickly. The big thing here, though, pay attention to
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Speaker 4: what they're saying about the neck very carefully, Nancy, because
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Speaker 4: this neck, from what they're saying, her neck has been
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Speaker 4: taken off at the Really, if you just think about
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Speaker 4: running parallel to the shoulders they're searching for a cause
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Speaker 4: of death. Think about everything they threw out there, talking
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Speaker 4: about possibility, could have been, may have been, these sorts
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Speaker 4: of things. They're missing that neck that obviously is still
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Speaker 4: attached to the head wherever that is, And that is
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Speaker 4: where your answers are going to lie.
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Speaker 1: In my opinion, I don't know what you mean by
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Speaker 1: that you're saying. Are you saying that where she was
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Speaker 1: cut at the neck or her actual neck will give
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Speaker 1: me the answer.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, where the head and the neck are severed from
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Speaker 4: the body. It's so low that they can't appreciate things
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Speaker 4: like if you're talking about a c clamp here on
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Speaker 4: the neck where you get hemorrhage, where somebody has been
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Speaker 4: choked out. That can't appreciate pe Tikii and the ie.
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Speaker 4: You know, they talked about gunshot woman, They've talked about
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Speaker 4: blunt force trauma. They've probably even entertained the idea of
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Speaker 4: suffocation as well. They threw out an entire litany of
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Speaker 4: these things, Nancy, and there's really nothing to hang their
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Speaker 4: hat on because, as you said from the top, there's
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Speaker 4: no trauma on the torso apparently because they're not calling it.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Scott, that was an amazing analysis. Guys. We are
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Speaker 1: trying to make sense of what we are learning from
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Speaker 1: the latest, and for the latest, let's go straight out
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Speaker 1: to gg McKelvey joining US journalists, host of Pretty Lies
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Speaker 1: and Alibis and you can find her at Pretty Lies
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Speaker 1: and Alibis dot org. GG thank you for being with
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Speaker 1: us bring us up to date.
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Speaker 6: Well, the last thing we've heard, obviously is this autopsy report,
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Speaker 6: which is horrific just to even imagine she was potentially
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Speaker 6: dismembered while alive. Otherwise, we haven't learned a whole lot
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Speaker 6: as far as the investigation goes. They've been very tight lipped.
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Speaker 6: We do know about the workers, how they were hired
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Speaker 6: for five hundred dollars to haul these garbage bags off.
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Speaker 6: We're a little suspicious when they were told this was
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Speaker 6: a bag of rocks and said it felt mushy and soft.
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Speaker 6: So they pull over, open the bag and see there's
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Speaker 6: human remains in there, specifically seeing a belly button which
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Speaker 6: matches the torso the homeless man found the next day.
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Speaker 6: It's insane. These guys go to two different police stations
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Speaker 6: to report what they've seen, only to be given the
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Speaker 6: run around. In the meantime, Gosh knows what Samuel is
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Speaker 6: out hiding as far as evidence. Ultimately the police go
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Speaker 6: after they the homeless man finds the body the torso
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Speaker 6: the next morning in that dumpster. Go to the house.
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Speaker 6: See the blood on the concrete in the driveway. Go
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Speaker 6: in the house and find evidence that something horrific has
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Speaker 6: happened in this house, as well as finding garbage bags
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Speaker 6: with bloody beg clothing in the garage.
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Speaker 1: Guys, speaking of the day workers, you know that they
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Speaker 1: would have been blamed for May's murder if they had
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Speaker 1: not called police immediately. Now they were turned down at
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Speaker 1: not one, but two that we know of ELI law
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Speaker 1: enforcement agencies, and they keep trying to report they've got
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Speaker 1: a body in a bag and no one will listen.
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Speaker 1: Now you know if they had not done that, that
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Speaker 1: ultimately they would have ended up taking the fall for this,
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Speaker 1: And I wonder is that not exactly what Sam Haskell
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Speaker 1: intended when he called them to remove the remains? Speaking
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Speaker 1: of those nine one one calls, listen to what we've
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Speaker 1: just obtained.
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Speaker 7: Assable CD for fifteen cold stream terrasts for one one
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Speaker 7: fight cold stream terrists march Or Commons. So if here
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Speaker 7: any mind in front of fiping.
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Speaker 1: Good, let's hear that one one more time. It was
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Speaker 1: so quick, I want to make sure I hear it
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Speaker 1: all fellossible.
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Speaker 7: CD forty one fifteen coldstream terrists for one one fight
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Speaker 7: coldstream terrists, Marster Commons. So the fire say mine in
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Speaker 7: front of fipingos and.
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Speaker 1: Joining me is high profile lawyer Matthew Mangino, former district
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Speaker 1: attorney and author of the Executioners told listen to this
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Speaker 1: the crimes ares Trials, Appeals, last Meals and final Words
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Speaker 1: and executions. Matthew, thank you for being with us. You
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Speaker 1: can find Matthew and Matthew Mattmanngino dot com. Matthew a
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Speaker 1: lot of people. I mean, I think we need to
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Speaker 1: focus on where are the two missing in laws. May's
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Speaker 1: mother and father who move here. They're the ones that
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Speaker 1: sold everything they had to put her through college. She
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Speaker 1: was an excellent student. Sadly that is when she met
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Speaker 1: rich Bratt Sam Haskell the fourth. They sacrificed everything, even
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Speaker 1: selling their home and moving here to try and help
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Speaker 1: their daughter get a better life. Now they're dead, and
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Speaker 1: they moved into that house. Goshim and zeng Wang moved
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Speaker 1: into the house to take care of the children and
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Speaker 1: help her because she is the only breadwinner in the home.
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Speaker 1: I think their house note was, oh my goodness, like
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Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars a month. She was paying the house
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Speaker 1: note and everything else while haschool. Sam Haskell fourth, his
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Speaker 1: daddy's a millionaire, was pursuing his crazy videos that he
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Speaker 1: called movies, while she's holding down the fort paying all
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Speaker 1: the bills. They're gone, and it has been said, it's
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Speaker 1: been told to me by her neighbors, her friend girls
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Speaker 1: that he hated her parents. They were not fluent in English,
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Speaker 1: and he resented that he hated that they were there
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Speaker 1: all the time. Well, I mean they're the only ones
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Speaker 1: taking care of the children along with May. I don't
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Speaker 1: know what he's doing running around in the backyard doing
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Speaker 1: videos of himself and his friends and working out and
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Speaker 1: going to expensive lunch is Oh, hey, you know what,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out of order. You got to hear
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Speaker 1: what haskell while his wife is out working. Hey, I
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Speaker 1: don't have a problem with that. My mom worked. Her
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Speaker 1: mother worked in a factory for Pete's sake, and farmed.
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Speaker 1: But I want you to hear this is what he's
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Speaker 1: doing during the day while May is out working and
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Speaker 1: her parents are taking care of his children. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to him. He posted this on his TikTok.
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Speaker 5: Listen like, my resume says unhappy, bitter, resentful. Now I'm
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Speaker 5: consistently never gonna stop drinking, shouts out to the.
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Speaker 8: Waiter at the restaurant above norstrums for just like completely
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Speaker 8: burning out of my filet Like, what kind of a
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Speaker 8: monster are you?
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Speaker 5: Homie?
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Speaker 1: Do you hear this guy? I mean, he grew up
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Speaker 1: in the lap of luxury and he's saying, what kind
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Speaker 1: of a monster are you? Homie? So he is out
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Speaker 1: at this fancy restaurant at Nordstrums. I don't even buy
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Speaker 1: a pair of socks in there, getting a steak a
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Speaker 1: filet and whining on TikTok that it was cooked too
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Speaker 1: well while May is working. I mean, it would be
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Speaker 1: a cold day in HG doublel that David Lynch did
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Speaker 1: not go out that door at six point thirty every
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Speaker 1: morning and go to work. All right, but all that aside,
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Speaker 1: Let's get right back to what we know right now.
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear more about the torso found
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Speaker 1: the dumpster. But first I was talking to Matthew Mangino. Matthew,
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Speaker 1: I'll blame you for that rent. You forced me to
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Speaker 1: go on, Matthew, what about this? Why didn't police go
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Speaker 1: in when they were called by the day laborers stating
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Speaker 1: this guy just gave us a torso to get rid of?
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Speaker 1: The police say they went to the location and didn't
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Speaker 1: see anything wrong and left. Wouldn't that have been exigent circumstances?
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Speaker 9: Well, I think Nancy, first of all, I mean you
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Speaker 9: have to put it in perspective. I mean, you get
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Speaker 9: a call that these day workers found a torso. Okay,
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Speaker 9: so you might be a little skeptical on the way
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Speaker 9: out there, whether you should be or you shouldn't. And
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Speaker 9: certainly when you get there and you don't find anything
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Speaker 9: on the porch or you know, in the driveway. Yeah,
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Speaker 9: they possibly could be exigen circumstances which would permit you
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Speaker 9: to go in in with idle warrant to search to
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Speaker 9: see if there's anything amiss. But you know, I think
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Speaker 9: you know more than anything else. The police are a
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Speaker 9: bit caught off guard by what's described to them. Does
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Speaker 9: that mean that they shouldn't do their job, that they
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Speaker 9: shouldn't follow through on this tip that was given to
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Speaker 9: them by the day workers? You know, I think it's
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Speaker 9: something you know that we can look back as a
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Speaker 9: Monday morning quarterback and say, hey, listen, you should have
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Speaker 9: went in immediately. That may have not made any difference
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Speaker 9: in the case. Obviously, if there's a torso in a bag,
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Speaker 9: the person's already dead. The question is is there anybody
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Speaker 9: else at risk? Possibly the parents that we know are
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Speaker 9: now missing.
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Speaker 1: Well, I guarantee you this, Matthew Manino. If they had
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Speaker 1: gone in based on what the day laborer said, they
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Speaker 1: would have been barbecued, skiword and run out of town, okay,
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Speaker 1: because it would be their fault that they went in
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Speaker 1: without a warrant, So that's a state of affairs in
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Speaker 1: that jurisdiction. But I want to tell you something else
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Speaker 1: that I learned, Matthew Mangino. One of the victims was
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Speaker 1: sixty four years old old husband, the wife was fifty nine,
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Speaker 1: and all of their photos, everything they had online for
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Speaker 1: the last ten years, it was all deleted after after
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Speaker 1: they all go missing. They had five siblings who were
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Speaker 1: trying to find the mom. I confirmed that they put
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Speaker 1: May through cal State at Northward, sacrificing everything and moving
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Speaker 1: to the US to help her start her career in accounting,
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Speaker 1: even as I said, selling their home to pay for
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Speaker 1: her school. Not only that, she got a job at
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Speaker 1: Monterey Park to pay for May's education, May was stuck
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Speaker 1: with a seven thousand dollars mortgage. Hschool never helped her,
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Speaker 1: and the in laws were the ones to take care
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Speaker 1: of the children. Those are just a few little background
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Speaker 1: information that I learned. But I wanted to go to you, Matthew,
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Speaker 1: about whether the cops should have gone in. This comes
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Speaker 1: from a very old and revered US Supreme Court case
23:17
Speaker 1: US versus Carol exigent circumstances, and it's so old it
23:21
Speaker 1: dates back to the moonshine days where the cops, the
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Speaker 1: moon the revenuers, the irs, the tax man could never
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Speaker 1: catch the moonshiners because as soon as they got win,
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Speaker 1: they were on the way to break up. Still they
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Speaker 1: take off with all the moonshine so and you could
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Speaker 1: see their car dragging in the back with everything in
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Speaker 1: the trunk. And that's where exigence circumstances came from. The
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Speaker 1: evidence is leaving. We're losing the evidence that now applies
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Speaker 1: to modern day cases such as this one. Yes, no, man, Geno, Well.
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Speaker 9: I would say yes. And as you know, Nancy, you
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Speaker 9: know a lot of the constitution protections that we have
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Speaker 9: grew out of that era of moonshiners in prohibition. But
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Speaker 9: you know, the thing that I think you need to
24:08
Speaker 9: be careful of is certainly you have a report of
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Speaker 9: a body or some portion of a body, and you
24:17
Speaker 9: want to make sure, as police officers that you don't
24:20
Speaker 9: do anything that could jeopardize an investigation. So if you
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Speaker 9: go into this home, even though there may be exigen circumstances,
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Speaker 9: and you confront somebody and you begin to ask questions,
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Speaker 9: you know, do you put all that information that you
24:36
Speaker 9: might gain at risk because a court determines that there
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Speaker 9: weren't exgen circumstances at that time. If you received a
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Speaker 9: report that there was a portion of a body at Torso,
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Speaker 9: well what are the exigen circumstances?
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, Matthew, in this jurisdiction, if the cops
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Speaker 1: had gone in, they would have been skeward. They probably
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Speaker 1: all lose their jobs for Pete's without actually seeing something
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Speaker 1: in the home. To back up the day laborers. As
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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, our cut nineteen, we hear LAPD
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Speaker 1: Chief Michael Moore addressing it listen.
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Speaker 8: The bags that the individuals had referred to having existed
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Speaker 8: were not there, which limited the officer's ability to act
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Speaker 8: any further as far as moving into the home that
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Speaker 8: was there that there was no one coming out or
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Speaker 8: talking to us from now as we know, with the
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Speaker 8: follow up investigation that resulted in the following morning where
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Speaker 8: another individual found what appears to be human remains in
25:32
Speaker 8: a garbage container some distance away, we tied that together
25:37
Speaker 8: with this earlier report and detectives rolled back and now
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Speaker 8: Robert homicide has what we believe to be a very
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Speaker 8: tragic circumstance of a death of a mother and potentially
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Speaker 8: her parents at the hands of her husband, and we
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Speaker 8: have a murder investigation that's going on with that.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Greece. In the last hours, we
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Speaker 1: are learning more about what we do we can get
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Speaker 1: about the autopsy report and what it reveals about the
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Speaker 1: death of May. To Mike McCormick joining US high profile
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Speaker 1: lead investigator mcm investigations in La at mcminvestigations dot com. Mike,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I think me and
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Speaker 1: Gino is right. I think that it doesn't matter. By
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Speaker 1: the time, according to police, he's not been found guilty yet.
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Speaker 1: By the time Haskell had put May's body parts in
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Speaker 1: a bag, her parents were long dead. So if cops
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Speaker 1: had gone in the day before, what would they have found.
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Speaker 1: They might have found their bodies as well. I doubt
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Speaker 1: it because he was already in the disposal phase. He
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Speaker 1: was getting rid of stuff by the time the day
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Speaker 1: laborers had been called. That said, we don't need any
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Speaker 1: of that evidence that the cops may have gotten the
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Speaker 1: day before, because we have that torso, and we have
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Speaker 1: Haskell calling the laborers asking them to remove the torso.
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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, Mike, McCormick. No one's
27:26
Speaker 1: been talking about where are the parents? What are we
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Speaker 1: just going to pretend that never happened. They're dead, likely
27:33
Speaker 1: dismembered as well. What is being done, if anything, and
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Speaker 1: what would you do to try to find these two
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Speaker 1: elderly people. They were just trying to help their daughter
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Speaker 1: get through school and take care for children.
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Speaker 10: Well, I think the whole thing fell apart when the
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Speaker 10: day laborers went to the They first went to the
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Speaker 10: California Highway Patrol and we're turned away. They went to
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Speaker 10: LAPD and we're told to call them. The officer that
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Speaker 10: they talked to with LAPDH didn't speak Spanish, but he
28:09
Speaker 10: should have gotten somebody that spoke Spanish and that should
28:12
Speaker 10: have been handled immediately. The fact that they sent them away,
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Speaker 10: I think, and that delay in time is a big problem.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a huge problem. Doctor Jury old Cross
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Speaker 1: and I want to follow up. Doctor Jury is as psychologist,
28:27
Speaker 1: former law enforcement now faculty at Saint Leo University and
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Speaker 1: author of Operation SS at dodtorjury dot com dodtor Jory.
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Speaker 1: I've heard a lot about May's death that were seemingly
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Speaker 1: ignoring that her parents had been murdered too.
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Speaker 11: That's the first thing that I look at the behavior pattern,
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Speaker 11: and it'd be very important to locate their bodies, because
28:55
Speaker 11: then you could put together a behavioral sequence like where
28:59
Speaker 11: they killed, dismembered. You brought that up. There's a lot
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Speaker 11: of other unanswered questions psychologically, especially with the suspect. Knowing
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Speaker 11: a little bit more about him, I think you could
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Speaker 11: pretty well profile his behavior as to his actions and
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Speaker 11: what he did in the sequence of the murders and
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Speaker 11: the disposal of the bodies of the parents.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm just wondering, was he attacking the parents
29:24
Speaker 1: and may tried to intervene. I wonder if the children
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Speaker 1: knew what happened. I believe they were home when all
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Speaker 1: three were murdered. And speaking about a window into this
29:32
Speaker 1: guy's personality, dare I look, I want you to take
29:37
Speaker 1: a listen to some of the sound that we've gotten
29:39
Speaker 1: off of his TikTok. Now, this is not anything that's
29:42
Speaker 1: been fabricated against him. He did this to himself. Let's
29:47
Speaker 1: start with Oh gosh, where should I start? This is
29:49
Speaker 1: from Tragic Streets, so.
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Speaker 5: Psych a hapic vampire move like pull up an escalate
29:55
Speaker 5: outside Paul Wesley's.
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Speaker 3: Crow pits like down, where's mom going?
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Speaker 11: What's mom doing?
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Speaker 5: He's just like, Oh, I'm just gonna go show with Brad.
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Speaker 5: She's gonna go show with Brad Pitt for a while,
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Speaker 5: maybe go to a concert.
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Speaker 1: Why does this guy have all this time gg McKelvey
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Speaker 1: to create Oh dear gravy what? Yeah? He adjusts his
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Speaker 1: hair more than any diva I have ever seen on
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Speaker 1: TV or movies. I mean he's spouting like he's Kim
30:27
Speaker 1: Kardashian in one of her poses that she's gonna make
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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty grand off of from at an ad.
30:34
Speaker 1: Who is this guy? I would absolutely call nine one
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Speaker 1: one if my husband did that, no question about it,
30:43
Speaker 1: no question and the pumping iron. He's a Jim rat.
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Speaker 1: Why is he doing all this while his wife is
30:51
Speaker 1: out working double time to support his Sorry We're end.
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Speaker 6: I think he's a classic example of failure to launch.
30:57
Speaker 6: It's like he's stuck being this teenager that has a
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Speaker 6: TikTok account that wants to tell the world all the
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Speaker 6: ridiculous stuff that happens.
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Speaker 1: In their day.
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Speaker 6: What you don't hear is any talk of his three kids.
31:08
Speaker 6: I mean, you would never look at this guy from
31:10
Speaker 6: his TikTok videos or anything. Anybody who's known them and
31:13
Speaker 6: say he's a very doting dad, he's very hands on.
31:17
Speaker 1: I mean, you would never even know this guy had
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Speaker 1: a wife or kids.
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Speaker 6: It just seems like he's living out this little fantasy
31:22
Speaker 6: world of being a TikTok star and I want to
31:24
Speaker 6: be producer where his clips literally only landed on Facebook
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Speaker 6: and seen by a couple of thousand people. He's just
31:30
Speaker 6: trying to reach, reach, reach, and it's really pathetic. I
31:34
Speaker 6: mean it's just I look at this and it's very cringey.
31:36
Speaker 6: It's like, this is a thirty something year old man
31:38
Speaker 6: who's married with three children, and yet he looks like
31:42
Speaker 6: he's fourteen on TikTok with nothing else to do.
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Speaker 1: Guys, I think he even oils up his body for
31:46
Speaker 1: some of these shots, you know, like professional body boulders. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm going way down the garden path out in the ways.
31:53
Speaker 1: Let's get it back on the road. Could you please
31:56
Speaker 1: play thirty four? This is Sam Haskell yet again over
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Speaker 1: sharing on TikTok conference.
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Speaker 5: Real quick, you guys, by mistake, and the number one
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Speaker 5: thing they talked about was consistency, Like be consistent now
32:11
Speaker 5: I'm consistently never going to stop drinking.
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Speaker 1: So I wonder if the state, if the defense is
32:18
Speaker 1: going to try and use voluntary intoxication as a defense.
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Speaker 1: That's not going to work, is it, Mangino.
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Speaker 9: No, voluntary intoxication is extremely difficult defense. Now, you know,
32:29
Speaker 9: involuntary toxic intoxication or you know drug use could be
32:36
Speaker 9: a defense. The only thing that voluntary intoxication could do
32:40
Speaker 9: would be maybe mitigate the punishment. But it's not going
32:44
Speaker 9: to negate his responsibility.
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Speaker 1: I want to go back to Joe Scott Morgan joining
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Speaker 1: us Jo Scott. In the last hours, we have learned
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Speaker 1: that really the main evidence we have is May's just
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Speaker 1: member Torso we don't have her arms or legs, her
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Speaker 1: neck or head. She was completely unidentifiable, and if it
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Speaker 1: had not been for the day laborers calling in the
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Speaker 1: day before then we really wouldn't even know who she
33:17
Speaker 1: was when the homeless person found her. That's the only
33:22
Speaker 1: way it was tied back to being May is because
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Speaker 1: of their calls to various law enforcement. Again, we just
33:29
Speaker 1: saw a full screen that talked about arms and legs.
33:31
Speaker 1: That's a little misleading because they're absent. We don't have
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Speaker 1: them to deduce anything. You were saying something earlier which
33:40
Speaker 1: I found really provocative and most likely true, as to
33:45
Speaker 1: why you believe a power tool such as a power saw,
33:49
Speaker 1: a handheld power saw, was used to dismember her. Why
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Speaker 1: do you say that based on the physical evidence.
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Speaker 4: Well, you know that's what the me has opined are
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Speaker 4: put forth. They actually state that in the press release
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Speaker 4: that we have relative to the autopsy report. And here's
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Speaker 4: another thing, and I think people want to go down
34:08
Speaker 4: this rabbit hole. You know, they've talked a lot about
34:11
Speaker 4: Haskell's fascination with weapons, in particular samurai swords. This guy
34:16
Speaker 4: can assure you it's not a samurai master, all right.
34:19
Speaker 4: So the idea, and I know people are entertaining this,
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Speaker 4: that he could have dismembered her with one fail swoop
34:25
Speaker 4: of some ancient blade that he's in possession of, is
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Speaker 4: a load of crap. That's not happening. He took his time,
34:32
Speaker 4: and in order to take your time to do this
34:34
Speaker 4: with a power tool, you have to have a closed
34:37
Speaker 4: space in order to do that. Gigi really brought this
34:41
Speaker 4: point home just a moment ago when she stated that
34:45
Speaker 4: it was a mess, a horrible mess inside of that house.
34:49
Speaker 4: I suspect that you're going to have blood mixtures that
34:54
Speaker 4: are in there that might go to the parents, and
34:57
Speaker 4: obviously are going to go to this poor woman who
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Speaker 4: he has brutalized. And LA has got hell of a
35:03
Speaker 4: problem in this case. And this is why this is
35:07
Speaker 4: one of the most densely populated areas in our nation. Nancy,
35:11
Speaker 4: I think because we look. You know, you always talk
35:14
Speaker 4: about if you want to, if you want to know
35:16
Speaker 4: a horse, check their record. We do know that he
35:19
Speaker 4: made an attempt to dispose of her body in a dumpster.
35:24
Speaker 4: Dollars to donuts, Nancy, I guarantee you those bodies were
35:29
Speaker 4: placed in a dumpster. And now now you're talking about
35:32
Speaker 4: landfill and for a CSI for crime seene investigator, forensic scientists,
35:39
Speaker 4: you're talking about the nightmare of all nightmare scenarios because
35:43
Speaker 4: it's so vast in La County where you can dump
35:47
Speaker 4: this stuff off and they're going to have to get
35:49
Speaker 4: the timing down relative to when trash pickup happen. We
35:52
Speaker 4: can all identify with that. Is that something we have
35:55
Speaker 4: in common as just living in our own little towns,
35:59
Speaker 4: and they have this down. It's the idea, can the
36:03
Speaker 4: investigators go back and try to paste this out and
36:06
Speaker 4: get an idea where they would have gone to, where
36:08
Speaker 4: those dumpsters would have gone to. You're talking about Encino,
36:12
Speaker 4: where the first one where they talked about finding that
36:15
Speaker 4: in the dumpster, but they were domiciled in Tarzana, I believe.
36:19
Speaker 4: So that again adds another element to this of complication.
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Speaker 1: Also, back out to Gigi. You know he has shown
36:27
Speaker 1: up in court again shirtless and he is refusing to
36:34
Speaker 1: wear his anti self harm vest. You know a lot
36:38
Speaker 1: of people say, oh, he's crazy. I actually think, based
36:42
Speaker 1: on all of his prior videos posts, he's actually showing
36:47
Speaker 1: off his chest in court. He's like flexing his muscles
36:52
Speaker 1: in court. I think he did that on purpose.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he said he had a pre existing medical condition
36:57
Speaker 6: that prevented him from wearing the vest, but come on,
37:00
Speaker 6: TikTok videos are so self serving, it's hard to think
37:03
Speaker 6: that he just didn't want everybody to see his chest
37:05
Speaker 6: and his tattoos. And it's just it goes along the
37:09
Speaker 6: line with everything we've seen about him, which is his
37:11
Speaker 6: favorite word, is me, me, me, me, all about him,
37:15
Speaker 6: not about his wife, not about his kids. So I'm
37:17
Speaker 6: not surprised, probably the next year and we'll see the same.
37:20
Speaker 6: I wouldn't doubt it for one second.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, you know what Mark Klass said,
37:25
Speaker 1: And guys, he is a champion of victims' rights. His
37:29
Speaker 1: daughter Polly was kidnapped from her own place where she
37:32
Speaker 1: lived with her mother. She was sexybused, and murdered. When
37:36
Speaker 1: cop showed up at Mark Klass's door, he said, come in,
37:41
Speaker 1: bring the dogs, take my fingerprints, take my blood, take anything.
37:44
Speaker 1: Look at my carlic at my office. Do whatever you
37:46
Speaker 1: need to do, but find Polly. Find who took Polly.
37:50
Speaker 1: Are we hearing that from Haskell? No, we're not hearing
37:54
Speaker 1: I didn't do this. Do whatever you want with me,
37:56
Speaker 1: but find who killed my wife. Nothing nothing at all,
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Speaker 1: As Gigi just said, nothing about anyone but himself. And
38:06
Speaker 1: you know that video of him whining about the Nordstrom
38:10
Speaker 1: restaurant shift overdoing his Filet Mignon, that's ingrained in my memory.
38:17
Speaker 1: You know how many times I play that in front
38:19
Speaker 1: of that jury, about a million. We wait as just
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Speaker 1: as unfolds. Goodbye, friend,