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Downtown Julie Brown (Pride Month Special) · Mention It All Again

• Blake: Welcome back to a very special episode of Mention It All Again. I'm Blake and I'm here with my lovely co-host Casey. Hey Casey. Casey: Hey Blake, welcome back. We we missed ya last week. Blake h was having some technical difficulties. Was supposed to be in attendance for our Jax Taylor episode, but thank God he's back now for this special special ep. Blake: Y'all Well, ⁓ you know, as the resident gay co host, I feel like to not be present at our Pride episode would kind of be like a huge dereliction of duty and it would be it would really just be not doing right by our listeners, I feel, especially ⁓ especially those of the LGBT persuasion, and I am assuming there are is at least one. There has to be at least one. Gay listener, lesbian listener. Casey: You have to be, yeah. There has to be. There has to be in every in any group room situation ever. I guess bes no, no, I stand on that. In any situation, there has to be at least one. If you're if it's beyond a a pair, there's at least one. Blake: Even if you're not out, even if you're not out, there has to be one. Math by KC. Well, you did I I thought you guys did a really good job. I f I feel like almost it was like fate that I wasn't there because I I got to A listen to it like as a listener and it was really good. and I think you guys just share a l level of passion for or maybe former passion for Jax Taylor that I cannot relate to. So I think it was a great, great episode, a great pairing. And I just want to say that I Never thought about our opening music, our intro being like what'd you say? It was succession and like succession and housewives or something like that. Casey: Yeah, it's like a bit d dramatic, a bit ominous. We were talking about like the Blake: Yeah, I liked that. It does really give succession when you think about it. But like then you have like the women laughing in the background and the little breakdown and it it feels a little bit it's sh and i I'ma We will tag him. His name is Angel. Casey: It does. It's so good. Like shameless credit to ourselves and our our audio master who I will we will tag this time. I couldn't find he changed his ad. So I couldn't find it. I did go and look. I am not like trying to like steal from anyone. Blake: Stolen valor. You're like credit to us for this amazing music. Casey: I'm like I'm not like gonna have a scandal. Like I really I really did go look for it, but we will put it here. Shout out Shout out Angel Blake: And just in the spirit of supporting the LGBT, he's LGBT. So we're s we're we're highlighting queer art. We're supporting queer art on this podcast. And we are supporting we are also supporting women in their middle age who sometimes act gay, sometimes might end up being gay, sometimes are bi, sometimes Casey: Yes. Protect it, support it. Yeah. Blake: There are rumors of things that they do in s bathrooms of public establishments. And we support all of these are the options. And we support every iteration of of these housewives, of the real housewives, exploring their sexuality however makes sense for them. And that that Casey: These are the options. Yes. And for the coverage of Pride for our special Pride themed episode in the Bravo cinematic universe, obviously there are actually out gay people on the Bravo network, but that would not be as fun to focus on. So very little of these examples are the actual representation. Blake: Ha ha ha. Casey: That doesn't mean we don't we don't support real representation, but for entertainment purposes let's dive under the surface a little. Blake: Right. Right, we gotta see Right, because like I I think that like that's a really good preface because I feel like I I just completely ignored the fact that we are this isn't like a literal like LGBT people in Bravo episode as much as it's literally just Casey: Right. Like what? You guys want us to be like Julia Lemegova? Like congrats Blake: R like like ca came out in twenty nineteen. Like okay. Wha not we're not journalists. ⁓ but but but the Real Housewives is so sapphic coded a lot of the times. Casey: Great work queen. Blake: And I mean some s some franchises way more than others, but it is very, very sapphic and there are so many like moments that you could like screenshot and just be like, let's analyze the fuck out of this. And that's what we're kinda gonna do a little bit of through every single franchise. Casey: Yeah. little bit of you could do a whole podcast on like an entire separate podcast about the gay undertones of the Real Housewives franchise and like really get into like all the gory details. Obviously we've got a different theme going here, so we I already know we're gonna post this and people are gonna like, You forgot the luncheon where this person said it's like, yeah, no, we know. There's too much. There's literally too much. Blake: An entire podcast. We we know. We know. And also it w it would we would be sitting here for quite some time. We would be focusing on Sonya alone for three hours if we if we dared to be comprehensive. Casey: There we can't get it all. If we if we dared, which we d we won't we aren't daring to that. Blake: We don't. We we shall not dare. Certainly not today. ⁓ and speaking of, we're gonna start with Rony and we're gonna start with Sonia. Sonia is she is I think top three gayest not gay housewives. Casey: Right, excluding the actually gay people. That's the preface for the whole episode. Like we know they're there and we love them. I mean some of them are some of them are iffy. We know they're there and like yes, hell yeah, but we're we're we're avoiding them. But yeah, I think that's probably true. I mean that's who like instantly pops up Blake: The real ones. Ha ha ha. Casey: in mind because she's been she's not new to this. She's true to this game. Like she's been she's been doing this. She's like she was queer baiting before queer baiting was a thing. Like so is it really queer baiting then? I don't know. Blake: Yeah. I mean I think it was like I think it's like she queer baited too close to the sun and then ended up just being basically like bisexual. But like never never committed it. Like never was willing but like but she would say things that were like just at the edge of like you get enough alcohol in me and sure I love to go, you know, down on whatever. But like she'll say things like that where it's like, okay, it's like you have actually done this. But she would never call herself a bisexual. Casey: Yeah. Right. Right. And her and Luann like play with it. Like even like in today, like they know about what people say about them. Like even at like some of Lou's cabarets, like she's like people were doing like fuck Mary Kill when I was at one of them and like they were like Sonia and two guys and Luann's like, Well I'm already fucking Sonia. Like, you know, put her there, you know, like it's like they know about it and it's like they these women, they they get drunk and they Blake: Yeah, they play with it. Casey: They get frisky, like I I think it's like getting bottled up in like these like awful lame lives and lame husbands and like needing to like let loose a little bit. I mean, especially with like older generations, maybe they like didn't have like the right environment to to explore at a younger age. Blake: Yeah. Definitely not. And I think being a Bravo like lebrity, a Bravo celebrity, I think ⁓ like they come from these more traditional lives that have like w you know, you you the the transition from that lifestyle where you're a kept woman to a powerful man or like a you know, a count or whatever it is and Like your life is just to raise kids and like be on the arm of your husband and then you become a Bravo liberty where like the gays run that shit, like that's a big viewership, and obviously Andy's gay and the whole thing is just gay. And so like it's almost like encouraged and so then I think that's when they feel like, Wait, like I can explore this, even if it's like just a cheeky little thing. but I will say Sonya has been on the front lines of L G B T activism you know, I think for over a decade at this point. I mean you all know that she's raised millions for the LGBT. millions, but if y'all forgot, she also was the grand marshal of a marriage equality parade march, I don't know, the what was it, season four, season three? Casey: Millions. Yeah, season four, episode two is to be specific, if you'd like to go revisit. They it's a marriage equality march. It seems like at first I thought everyone was like meant to wear like wedding garments, like for like the theme of the parade, but I think it's just the women. Like They all wear wedding dresses that they got from like probably like a consignment shop or like, you know, somewhere like cheaper, not like real like full gowns, but like a little bit more simple ones. So they did that. I don't really know if it was actually like a part of the invite, but that was what they were doing. And yeah, Sonia's Sonia's the Grand Marshal, which like is that a normal title like for a speaker? It feels like Blake: Ha ha ha. It does it does really like give KKK but the ⁓ like it is a it is a parade title. I don't know I don't understand like why you can't be like the the like the coordinator or like the ex like the executive coordinator or the like executive like certainly not the marshal. Casey: Or like people say like even other dumb stuff like master of celebrations or like op opening like opening guest, opening star, whatever, like dumb dumb detail, but Blake: Right. Right. Marshall Grand Marshal? I don't know. Grand Yeah, we yeah, so that's somehow her title. Right, right, this isn't the eighteen hundreds anymore. We can adjust our language. But Sonya okay, so this is the thing. This is not even like her event or like she wasn't the one who was like she's the Grand Marshall, but this was Alex's like situation, correct? Casey: We g we got it, girl. Like okay. So I don't really think it's either of their situations. Like the issue is that Sonia was supposed to speak and so was Simon, but then Sonia was like, I want to be the only speaker. So Simon gets axed from the event and like when they're there in the crowd, you know, the women are in their little white wedding dresses, Simon is in this like bedazzled rainbow blazer, like with a bow tie, like looking a damn mess. And they're fighting like in the middle of the crowd right before Sonia's speech. And it's basically like this whole fight of like, Sonia, this isn't about you. Like let Simon speak. Like it's about marriage equality. And it's like, but you're also making it about Simon speaking. Like so you're also making it about you. So both of you actually are having the same issue here, but Blake: Ha ha ha. Simon is literally LGBT. Right. Ha ha ha. Casey: C'est la vie. Sonia can't gaff less. Like she's literally like staring ahead, like getting re getting amped for her speech. Like Alex is yelling in her ear, like, do you even care about marriage equality, Sonia? And she's like, This is my day. This is my big day. ⁓ yeah. Blake: Ha ha. Let's play the clip. Ha ha ha ha. Now I get to say something that's been on my mind. Love. It reminds me of ⁓ when Noah Centineo or whatever his name is, like when he got like some Nick Elodeon award or something and he was like, It's not what you do with your talent, it's what you can do with your talent for others. Casey: Yeah. Love. Right. Blake: And then everyone was like, Alright, you can sit down, buddy. Like that you didn't do anything there. And it's funny because it's like Sonya was having an LGBT off with Simon. They both should have been speakers. I feel like I feel like like they what is it called when like Casey: Yeah. Yes. And sort of Alex by proxy, but I don't know. Blake: It's like you know like how a lavender marriage is like you're both like covering up the fact that you're actually gay? What's the opposite of that where like you both are just like sex freaks together? 'Cause I feel like that's Alex and Simon. Like I feel like they like really match each other's freak you can't ⁓ you dn you don't have the LGBT dictionary next to you. Casey: I can't say for sure. I don't know that term. I d I don't. We'll have to find it. There might not be one. ⁓ there okay, we don't know. Or do we know? Blake: Th there isn't there isn't one and I'm just like ⁓ No, there literally isn't a term. I just meant like they they match each other's freaks so well and I definitely feel like Simon for I could honestly see them both being bisexual. Like Casey: Yeah. Or I mean they're definitely like both like open minded, I feel like, and like very educated and like the and like educated in the way that like makes you consider other perspectives. Sometimes probably a little too much 'cause like that's what annoys her about the women like Luann during this argument is like Alex sounds like an infomercial for gay marriage. Like we're trying to like have fun. Like Alex is like the symbolism of the wedding dress and Luann and Kelly are like, it's just fun and campy. Like it's not like that. Like Blake: Right. Right. Right. Casey: Like yes, like sure, like it matters for marriage equality, but you know, they were they were out there. They were on the they were on the front lines, even though they were making it about themselves, they were they were there. So that that's something. Blake: And she doesn't just stop her activism at giving rousing speeches to, you know, animated crowds full of believers. She also believes that one way we can One way we can revolt and and revolt against the system and institutions of oppression is for us to dance and and specifically to attend her gay Tuesday events. Gay Wednesday, I am so so sorry. Wednesday is the gayest day. Casey: It's gay Wednesdays, actually. So don't show up don't show up on the wrong day. That would be really awkward. Blake: Don't show up on Tuesday. I think that's bisexual Tuesday. That's a different day. That's not for you guys. but she she was always like like hosting, you know, events for gay guys and she did she does throw and I actually like didn't realize this was season twelve. ⁓ but she throws a drag brunch or like a drag event, a drag party or whatever. Wait, I'm getting ahead of myself. We have the gay Tuesday clip. And this is actually very important. This is history. This is history, and we'll sh we'll tell you in a second why. Casey: Mm-hmm. Blake: So Sonia Morgan is responsible for Aquaria's fame and career. Casey: Like she had Aquariat the Gay Wednesdays. She was like, you know, stimulating the local community, giving back to the local LGBTQ plus people, giving them free alcohol, giving them a place to Kiki. That's allyship in in the wild, really. Blake: That is that's p creating space for queer voices and f for queer penises and queer butts and queer aquarias. She was just she gay Wednesdays at Sonia Morgan's a smorgasbord of queerness. And we th Casey: I know, I wonder if she still has any type of that. I guess not anymore. Does she even have a home? Blake: I don't she isn't pff she has a condo in Miami, ⁓ or West Palm Beach or Palm Beach or whatever the fuck beach that they all moved to. sh her her townhouse was purchased and turned into a rehab facility. So I don't think they're having gay Wednesdays there anymore, unfortunately. And they might have gay Wednesdays for Casey: They could be Blake: For for gay alcoholics who can't be drinking anymore, but that's a whole separate kind of Wednesday. Casey: Right. And she does have like a bunch of different like events that are oriented towards the queer community. like Blake said when he skipped ahead, getting confused between all of Sonia's activism. ⁓ she does have in like a later season in season twelve a drag party slash it was like sort of gonna be bingo, but then I guess Ramona had like an issue with it, so I didn't actually see them play any bingo. I don't know if that happened or not, but there's a bunch of drag queens there. There's a bunch of gay people there. It seemed like just like more elaborate gay Wednesday, like more like a We upgraded the gay Wednesday to like a ballroom and like made it like a gay Saturday night with Sonia. Like that was the vibe of the party. Blake: Right. Right. And we it we in invited Dorinda and she wore a turban, so that was I Casey: She wore a bedazzled turban. Blake: You know, I'm speechless actually now. ⁓ tha there's not I really like don't even know what I have to say about Durinda and her turbans. I mean Casey: Yeah. a clip ⁓ not a clip. I have a picture of her in the turban. I'll I'll send it to you so we can put it. Yeah, it's pretty good. Blake: We'll throw it up. Part of me, like it's like that has to be like slightly inappropriate now. Like Casey: I honestly I didn't even pause to think about it. So that's on me. Like I was like, I just really like it. It like ⁓ I yeah, I would assume so. Blake: Ha ha. It looks fab, but like is she allowed to wear that? Casey: Like, no. I don't think so. Let's just go with no. Like, honestly, like if you have to ask, then the answer is probably no. ⁓ and ⁓ Blake: That's just Right, right. I mean certainly like worse things have been done on that that show for sure, but like that feels a little bit you know Casey: Well and in the same spirit of like upwardly mobile hairstyles, Sonya at this event is wearing like a beehive on her head. Like she has like kind of like a thick bang and then like this huge ball of hair on top of her head. It's it's not her best look. I have to be so real about it. Like so the girls were feeling the girls were feeling something this night. Luann's wearing like this like big like Blake: Ha ha ha. ⁓ my God. Casey: Bus driver hat. That's also bedazzled. Ramona. Yes. Yeah. Ramona's wearing like Avery. Like she went shopping in Avery's closet. Like she's wearing like a Shein like skirt. Like it's it's a damn mess. And when we were texting about this event, you were like, Plasma's there. And I don't actually think Plasma is there, but Didi Fuego of RuPaul season 718. Blake: Like one of those like taxi cab driver like Ha ha ha. You're Whatever. Season last. Casey: eighteen Ruff season eighteen was there. The pork chop of season eighteen was there. Blake: And how did we fall so far from Aquaria to Didi Fuego? No shade, but Casey: ⁓ feel the fuego. It burns. ⁓ nice! Nice pull. I'm not like a stan. Blake: Ha ha ha. Okay, so the episode's over. Episode's over. We're done. Pack it up. I just have to say before we move on to another ⁓ pairing of lesbians, y'all are gonna go to a a drag event and not even get dressed up and ready by a drag queen. You're just gonna f you're all gonna look a mess in a very different specific way, but like Casey: They do look a mess. Luann looks the best, I think, out of them all. And she gets her her flowers from from the Queens. and one other thing that was funny about this party is Sonia is so mad because Ramona brings this like chopped guy with her, like some random like f some random fat man. And Sonia's like, What is wrong with you? You're an idiot. Why did you bring a straight man to the gay party? Like, what is and like, you know what? Blake: Mm. Ha ha ha. Ha ha. Casey: Yeah, like she's right. Why did you bring that straight fat man to the gay party? Like I don't know. I'd be mad too, like if I was with all my cool gays. So chopped. No, and they weren't dating. She just was like I wanted to like bring somebody interesting. Like you thought this guy was gonna be interesting to this group. Blake: Like kinda kinda real. And were they even dating? And he's chopped? Dude, pack it up. Ramona but Rom You thought that guy was gonna be more interesting than the drag queens at the drag event. You thought this fat, sweaty man Okay. I you know what? You're you know what? Right. Right, exactly. Alright, moving on to I mean, this is just this is j it's just obvious, but Carol and Bethany had a very sapphic relationship. Whether it ever got physical, we don't know. We all we can say is allegedly it may have. But Casey: Right. Blake: But there was that there's like the the reason that they're falling out felt so like powerful. Cause I think that I think Bethany was definitely in love with Carol. I would venture. Casey: Yeah, I think it's the I'll use this phrase to describe these two as well as like the Lisa Kyle situation in Beverly Hills. Like the friendship fallout has this like this like scent in the air of two people who have who have been intimate together. Like Blake: Yeah. Casey: Something is a little different than like this just being like your bestie girl. Like 'cause like I've had fallouts with very, very close best friendships, like who like yeah, it still can like be like painful or whatever, but like not in you don't do all that if there's not like something. Like they fight like a a couple in a relationship, both of like these two pairings and two two pairings that are very popular, I feel like in like the Bravo fandom for like Blake: Yeah. Casey: kind of like going into the sapphic lore of these two pairings. So they they have similar parallels and connections to each other too, which is weird. Blake: Right. And it's not like Carol and Bethany have never had like moments that felt a little bit more explicit. For example, this one. Bethany seemed into it AF. She was like, This is my first lesbian encounter. Happy as that's a very good one. That's a very good word to use. She sh I touched you where your bathing suit goes. Girl, just say it. ⁓ Casey: ⁓ she looked happy as a clam. Downtown Julie Brown girls like and some th there are a lot of key phrases in in that short clip. Her also saying Carol says I'd never have sex dreams about men. Blake: Mm-hmm. Right. So you're saying like Casey: Doesn't mean that she never has sex dreams, period. About men. About men. Blake: And she and she did have and she had one with Bethany. And she's like, I ⁓ I think I I think it was me like attempting to like loosen you up or something. Like there's there's like a a desire to like help her out in a way beyond what a typical friend would be willing to do and like Casey: Yes. Yes. Blake: Bethany, like, you know, she was like, ⁓ this is my first lesbian encounter, but she was like a little bit too like gleeful. You know, like there wasn't there wasn't she seemed ready to hear the details. I don't I do wish Carol had given us more of the details. Carol has Carol ever because Carol to me it definitely has already had. Casey: So gleeful. Right. Blake: it like at least an experience or two with a woman. I don't think she's ever said that on the show, but like that is just the aura that she has. Casey: Yeah, there's there's an energy there for sure. And like I could see like, you know, her and Bethany kind of staying in the c their long term situationship and it being messy and like I would feel like the vibes it gives is that Carol's Carol's dipped in the palm before but Bethany wouldn't have had before. Like Carol would be like one of her initial yeah. Blake: Exactly. Exactly. And I think that that's why it was easier for Carol. I mean, she's also just like more of a chill person, but I think it that's why like the when they were going through their friendship breakup, like Bethany was a little bit more of the manic one. I think like for her it felt more of like first relationship vibes. It was like, you know, this is like a very new emotional connection to me and it like feels big and like s e like really important and Carol was sort of like, ⁓ dude, like take it easy. Casey: Right. And she was getting all jealous of like Tinsley becoming the new bestie, quote unquote bestie, like codependent female relationship that's a little too close bestie as we as we've seen in this pattern before. And yeah, obviously it I think that messy of a breakup, there's something sprinkled there's something extra sprinkled in there. Whatever it is, we'll probably never know at this point, but Blake: Yeah. No. Casey: Maybe one of them will do like a tell all one day w if they feel more free with that information. Maybe like when Bethany Frankel's like withered and dying one day, even though she'll probably still somehow find a way to look good and walk Miami swim week, but maybe she'll she'll release the files. Blake: Right. Ha ha ha. I feel like it would be Carol. I just think like Bethany, like, when a situation doesn't go her way, She just kinda acts like over it and like, ⁓ it didn't actually affect me that much. I don't really care. You know, I feel like she's never gonna revisit it at to any serious like extent. But I feel like Carol Carol could because I feel like sometimes like she just gets questions and she's like, ⁓ I've never thought about that and then she'll answer it and it's like, Girl, have you not thought about telling us this story? Like, she just seems more like aloof. but she's not aloof about certain other things that are relevant to this ⁓ conversation about her sexuality. Now how do you Carol? Casey: This is damning evidence to me. Like this is and this is why I wanted to include this 'cause it's obviously like who is gonna remember this? Like it's like a throwaway line and like a a dinner scene, but like this is damning. Like Blake: R no this is Exhibit A, Your Honor. Guilty. Put ⁓ closer. Put ⁓ closer. But what do you mean by that, Carol? Talking to a woman, if you have long nails, you can't be having sex. Well what kind of sex? Well what kind of sex? Casey: I'd be having sex and I don't have short nails. What, you're with your long nails, are you like and your ⁓ alleged man really into the finger and butt method? Like sorry to be graphic, but like what could you be speaking about with straight sex that you can't have long nails for? Like there might be some things that are like mildly inconvenient, but not in the same way that lesbian sex there's a you know, that's a thing. That they're like even some girls I think it's so chic if they have like a couple fingers short and then like a couple long. Blake: Ha ha ha. I Right. Because that's what Carol needs and that's the thing I agree with you a hundred percent because what what like woman who has called herself straight, presented herself as straight, especially those women on that show, w I think that they would sooner well Carol would sooner be fingering ⁓ a woman's vagina over a man's butthole. Casey: Love. That's what that's what Carol needs. Blake: Absolutely. I I think that she would be revolted at the idea of putting her finger up her boyfriend's butt, but I think she would not be revolted at the idea of putting her finger up a vagina. So for her to say that so casually for her to say that so casually as if it's ambiguous, well what does that mean, Carol? It's not ambiguous. And also Casey: I agree. Blake: Also, no none of these women, except for Tinsley actually, admitted to doing anal, but it was their husband or their boyfriend doing it to them. None of them none of these women have ever talked about fingering a boot a booty hole. Certainly not a man's booty hole. And so, I agree with you, I think that the verdict is guilty. I think that is like a confession. W The verdict is gay. Carol Radzwell, gay. Sonia. Casey: The verdict is gay. found to be gay by the mention it all again pod. Sorry to speculate off people's sexualities during Pride Month. Blake: Bisexual. Ha ha ha. Asterisk Asterix sorry for doing the exact thing that we just did. what if you're offended, we're sorry. If you're not, we're not sorry. Look, look, Your Honor, please, as you're being taken away in handcuffs. No, Your Honor! No, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to speculate on her sexuality. Casey: Look, look, come on. Put in asterisk, I did. I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. No, I'm I'm really sorry. It I won't let it happen again after this episode's over. Blake: ⁓ Yeah, we're gonna keep doing it though for the rest of the episode. ⁓ In a in an hour. In an hour I will never do it again. moving on to the gayest franchise. And I don't say that lightly, 'cause there's a lot of gay shit going on, but this is to me but but it's by t it's by far to me, and it's the most open about it too. ⁓ Atlanta. Casey: I know, I I was kinda like old. Yeah. Blake: Like we start off like what season two or three with Kim Zolsiak and DJ Tracy. And right at the beginning, which that was like I mean, 'cause what, Atlanta was the second franchise. So Atlanta was the second franchise and we ha Casey: Three. Right at the beginning of season three. Yep. Two thousand eleven. Two thousand ten it aired. Blake: Damn, and we had a bisexual like romance 2010 and it wasn't even like a hidden, ambiguous Kyle Morgan situation. ⁓ and and and and the tabloids went crazy with it. This is this is actually like I think my this is like a sleeper hit for one of my favorite like scenes in Housewives ever. just enjoy. I the way she's sitting so demure, I am surprised that Kim came out as a lesbian. And it literally says in the biggest of letters, yes I'm bisexual. That is Casey: Medial horror is what she says at the end. Nee, Nene reading it. I want Nene to read everything to me out loud ever. Any media. A frenzy about game sexuality. Blake: Mm-hmm. Frenzy And I love when Sheree goes ooh ooh ooh ooh Casey: Sharee looks so good in that scene. Sharee was stamped. Like, is stamped. I love her. ⁓ but that scene is so good. There's also like two more minutes of it that's funny, but not effective for this for this medium to Blake: No, Sheree is everything to me. That is Yeah, if we for the purposes But so that's like where we start off. She has this whole spread in People magazine, ⁓ but somehow she's also still not the gayest on the cast. I think the two contenders for gayest, gay number one and gay number two, are Candy and Portia. Portia was kissing candy in the club and wanted to eat her pussy till she came. You talked me down, bitch. Casey: Me like trying to make sure I get all the verbiage right. Like, you was kissing me in the club and wanted to eat my pussy till I came It's like one breath. There's like no space, isn't it? Blake: Hehehehehe. I'm sorry. I'm gonna I'm gonna play it. Rollback. What? Casey: I mean they made they made absolute history. I would do anything to have been those random people sitting behind them at lunch. Like, I feel like I've even said this about different housewife scenes before, but ⁓ my god. Like what I would be getting my life. I'm like, did they just say you tongue me down, bitch? Like a relationship with a woman for seven years? Blake: You you tongued me down. You tongued me. No, the way that mid-scene, they start randomly doing this like boom boot boom boot. Like this like drum like beat, and it's like it's like not even dramatic, it's like a fucking Imagine Dragons backtrack or something, and it's like Casey: They're both getting like increasingly more alarmed by the the the accusations increasing. Like it's like Where are we going with this? Both of them are stacking it on in like Blake: She's like, what about you? We could talk about your relationship with a woman for seven years. Casey: And then right after this, like, you know, Candy continues to be like, you know, you're you're you were trying to make out with me, like you're gay, Portia. And Portia then hits her with the, ⁓ you don't have a sex dungeon? You don't have a sex chamber. And that's Candy's like, you just made that up. She's like, come over to my house and I'll show you my house right now. And Portia's like, I'm not going to your house. Blake: I'm not going to your sex dungeon. and of course of course this isn't the only time that you know one's accusing the other of being a lesbian. Mm-hmm. Casey: Portia literally who said that? And then it like cuts to Portia saying it. Like Blake: Yeah. Who else would have said that? Like you had every motive to say that. It was clearly you. I I love sh Casey: Candy, are you a lesbian? Blake: And she's just like bubbling on her champagne. ⁓ That's the Kyle Richards Halloween kills bang. They're passing that shit around. ⁓ and then of course we can't we would be remiss not to mention that the sex dungeon that may or may not exist was the same one that I think Phaedra accused Casey: Yeah. Blake: Candy of like drugging Portia in or something. Casey: Yes. It takes a dark turn, but we'll just stop it. We'll just stop the combo here for now. Blake: Right. Right. I just yes, exactly. The le the LGBT of it all kind of takes a very dark turn. But that's that's that's that, but we we're not done with Portia. And Porsche's not done with being LGBT. ⁓ so obviously, you know, there's a lot of accusations flying, lesbian, not lesbian, we don't know. But she continues to have dif illicit torid kind of relationships with women on the show. I think she like stopped caring at a certain point. I don't know when that was, but she's she kinda just like started leaning into it, like, yeah, I actually do want to tongue you down. And bitch and ⁓ Casey: Yeah. Bitch. Bitch, I do wanna kiss you in the club and eat your pussy till you came. which is true. They later, I think it's yeah, it's season thirteen. Cynthia's getting remarried and they're doing a little Bachelorette party for her and ironically they've come to enough peace about the situation to have a dungeon themed, a sex dungeon themed party for the event. So that's when they they hired the infamous stripper Bolo who we could unpack him, but as far as I know he's not LGBTQ plus so not today So not today we cannot unpack it. Blake: I don't know if we could unpack him. ⁓ they were talking the numbers they were the numbers they were sharing about d what he's packing, I don't know if we can unpack it. Casey: Okay, unpack Ron Verbiage. I I can't get into his his story right now because he's he's not it's not his month. We'll get back to him for sex positive work month when we start that. Yes. Blake: No, it's not he's definitely not. He'll have a month. We'll give him Sex worker month. S Mention it all again brings you sex workers of Bravo. Casey: He's like there's really not that many, but ⁓ The night gets crazy because they're all like super horned up with Bolo in attendance and he it comes comes with baggage, heavy baggage Blake: It's really not. ⁓ Casey: as Blake referred to, but as like when he like is like off duty, things like start getting really crazy and Kenya's like narrating it because it's it's like technically off like off camera, even though they still had certain cameras up. So Kenya's talking about it and she's like I kept going down to like get stuff from the kitchen and every time I'd be down there, like either somebody was like, you know, with Bolo doing what they were doing or I also saw Portia and La Toya making out Blake: Mm-hmm. Hehehehehe Casey: Bumping and grinding on the couch and like you can see like in like the corner of the camera, like them on the couch, and like you can see them making out like that. It's Portia and Latoya. And then Portia says, like, move the camera, like we don't want the camera. And Tanya gets up and like hits the camera out of the way. And you just hear Portia go, Now I am a lesbian. It's like Hell's yeah. Blake: It's like we we kinda knew that. We kinda knew that, but thanks for sharing. Thanks for being honest. Casey: It looked fun. It was giving like low key like orgy vibe but like not. Blake: ⁓ for sure. For sure. It did look fun. I wish well I I don't know if they would have had me, but but I was gonna say I wish I was there, but not really the not not necessarily ⁓ maybe I wouldn't have fit in No and and that's honestly fair. Maybe maybe maybe I maybe I shouldn't. You know what? We can move on from from the ⁓ Casey: Well I zon't know if you would have been getting that much attention had that Okay. Blake: Like didn't even consider like I'm like that sounds fun. Like I wish I was there and then I'm like wait we just talked about how it's like bunch ladies fucking ⁓ all right moving on to r Salt Lake City Casey: Wait, addendum. Portia is now in a happy WLW relationship. ⁓ I don't like know or truly even like care if she's ascribed herself a label or not, because like whatever, but she is dating dating a woman. They seem very happy together. She reposted today. Blake: Right. Casey: Albeit an AI graphic of of two lesbian women cooking breakfast together and it said like, All I need is soft mornings with with my boo and I was like, you know what? It's your month, Queen Blake: ⁓ Ooh, we're gonna have to It's your month. This is new for you. It's okay. This it's your month. We'll let it go, but but put the chat This one's this one's acceptable. Put the chat GPT down though when it's July 1st. I'll say that though. I'll say that. ⁓ but yeah, no, I think that ⁓ her on the current season, it's been really interesting. She didn't Casey: I'll let you have this one. Of all the AI housewife uses, fine. Blake: Like there wasn't a label, but she was, you know, saying, like, you know, I you know, I just it this is like I I'm I'm all about love. Love is equal, as Sonya said. So, And and same sex marriage should be equal. Moving on. Salt Lake City. So this one is I was gonna say, this one is probably the most tenuous and definitely the most Casey: Yeah. I was gonna say love. Yes. To maybe our least gay city. Blake: ⁓ salacious and full of ⁓ slander, libel, rumors. definitely nothing that has nastiness we could even we could even throw that in there. you know, ⁓ I don't know that any of this has been proven or even comes from anything that is even something resembling the truth. But it's fun to talk about. ⁓ I Casey: Rumors, yes. Nastiness. I believe it. Blake: And so this okay. This one, number one, what we're gonna talk about, Jen Shaw and Meredith Marks allegedly were eating each other's box in the steakhouse bathroom. Was that from the show or is that from Twitter? Where did that come from? Casey: Like when I was getting ready for the episode, I was like, I kind of feel like this came up on the show, but I couldn't find any evidence to to say so I couldn't remember where it was or like find anyone like saying on online like it's this episode where they talk about Jen and Meredith eating box at at a steakhouse. But ⁓ we can I'll put the the Reddit post in the in the pod. ⁓ perf Blake: Ha ha ha. Alright, I have it right here. Casey: So yeah, this is the this is the one. This is the the the post that revealed the scam that got pretty like well well received around the Bravo fandom. Like we all had kinda heard about this if you're like very online. But it's so funny. I first of all I hate the phrase eating box. Like it makes me want to vomit. Blake: Yeah. I think it's I think it's hilarious, but I also I'll I'll r I I'm okay with replacing it with snatch. I think snatch is also a great word. snatch I got from Veep actually. ⁓ she loves that word. I think it's ⁓ yeah, Snatch Guard. Casey: I don't like either. If if you're ever talking about me, I don't want either of those things being partaken. Sonia uses Snatch. ⁓ Tamra actually did on and up of OC as well, but also whoever screenshot this is put a image of a cat over the word box. Like box isn't a slur. Blake: I know. I know. Also we're not talking she didn't say kitty, so I feel like it's kinda like Right. Casey: And would pussy be better? Right, I don't know. But apparently. Good call. Blake: I'm gonna read it for those who are who are just listening, but it's a Reddit post, it says an SLC local came in hot. ⁓ the person's account name is Steak and Seafood, which is hilarious. And then the the body reads Jen ate Meredith's box at a local steakhouse in Park City before Salt Lake City filmed. It's a well-known it's well known in my community in Park City where Meredith actually resides part-time. So not only is Meredith catching like two strays there, like well known where she in Park City where she actually resides part time, but I also love that they're like it's well known. I don't believe that. Even if this did happen, I don't believe it. It's like a well known rumor. Like I don't Casey: I feel like you'd have to be a a Park City in to know that. Like maybe in their in those circles it is well known. Like maybe they're like Blake: Wow. You just gagged me. I d I do have to be a local park city in to know that. I there's no way I would know. That was wow, I really shouldn't keep speculating. It's not going well for me. Casey: You know like how like little I don't I don't know the the landscape of Park City but you know how like towns have lore like my town definitely has lore like I will be like you know remember I'll still years later ⁓ my god I'm like cracking up my I'm like on near tears. I cry every episode. like there are people that you're like years later like remember when they hooked up in here like do I know that for sure? Probably no but like am I still gonna bring it up? Blake: Ha ha. That's true. Yeah, yeah. Casey: Yeah, I am. I am not a Redditor about my t I don't go in my town and Reddit because we don't have a real housewives, but if we did, who is to say I wouldn't be on there under steak and seafood being like Which I guess that's not true though. ⁓ sorry. ⁓ Blake: It's well known. It's well known. ⁓ I also think that even ⁓ no, I was just gonna say, even if even if it's not well known, what like why not just say it is? Like who who n who will know? You know what I mean? You could just Casey: I guess that is true. And it makes you wonder, like, well known to who, like how many people know, like what group, like who is it? Makes you want to be in the know. But obviously this was just a rumor kind of like Mandela effect. Did they bring it up on the show? We can't be sure. I I don't know. I I don't think so. But there is another rumor that does get brought up on the show. Blake: Right. Right. But we that does get brought up in the show and it's like honestly Well I'll just play it and then we can say. romping, bumping, and giving each other a black Angie K is hilarious to me because when she gets into her like reading people mode, it feels like it takes her a second before every single word be like she doesn't know where the sentence is gonna end. She just kind of goes on the journey and then she's like, Well I don't it it's a great like I love the cadence. ⁓ but I And they were doing Casey: Romping and bumping. Ha. I kind of really like it. The f the cadence of and perhaps Heather Barbie suzix. Blake: Bar she kinda does this thing where she like kinda turns her head and she's like finding the word. She's like Barbie scissor kicks. And then also Whitney, you know damn well what she means by that. You know damn well and you just wanted her to elaborate and you wanted her to go into a little bit more detail, but you know damn well what Barbie scissor kicks are. Casey: Yeah, she Lisa maybe not. Whitney definitely was sure what she was talking about though. And like I love Blake: No Lisa not Lisa not. Casey: I love the mental imagery. Well, I guess I don't love it because like it's kind of like alarming, but I do think it's really funny of like they're doing Barbie scissor kicks and then Jen beat the shit out of her. They did they she didn't get injured from the scissoring. They they scissored and then she separately beat the shit out of her. Like no, you didn't like take the lane of like yeah, maybe her foot was near her eye when they were doing no no no they completed that all good and then she got up and roundhouse punched her in the face. Blake: I know I lost Hehehehehe. Casey: Yeah. Blake: Like the the concept of like completing like the act of having sex with someone and then in a separate a separate like situation being like now it's time for me to beat you up like now now I'm just gonna ⁓ And you know what though Roundhouse can But like the thing about this Casey: I'll see you. Jen's like, You better never tell Sharif about this, Heather, like Blake: She was right. Well, about the beating her up part. I mean we maybe she was right about Apparently Jen's scissoring everyone, so I mean maybe Jen's just on like a scissoring spree. We're not sure. And I don't know, Heather was clearly too afraid to like stop her from getting punched, so maybe she couldn't stop the scissor kicks. We don't know. Casey: Fright, that's why Angie says that I think it always cuts off like the end of the clip. It never like translates right over. But Angie goes, I don't know, maybe somebody was bad in bed or something. Like maybe they were happy with the performance and w sh she decided to punch her in the face. Blake: Ha ha ha. Now, I will say I've never gotten ex like overtly like lesbian vibes between Heather and Jen the same way like we have with Carol and Bethany, but I will say that I wouldn't be surprised if they both got really drunk once and like did do something and 'cause they just were like really close and like it wasn't a continuous like whatever, but like I wouldn't be surprised if something happened once. Casey: Yeah. I mean like yeah, I feel like again it's like we don't really know and like will we ever know? Like probably not. Like these Blake: Well it's well known. Well, it's well known in my community. Casey: To some. To some it's well known. To me it's not. But I think like so many people have like a hidden a hidden gay experience that they just take to the grave and like they never speak about like to anybody else. Like because the idea of exploring what that means is like scarier to them than anything else. So like I that's what I mean of like more like Blake: Yeah. Casey: One in three, someone's gotta be gay or I guess I can amend that. One in three, one of them is hiding a gay experience they've had in their life, where they've, you know, been with a woman or a man or with a with a person with hopeful no, not anything beyond a person. That's where we draw that's where we draw the line. But okay, I'm I'm such like I can't even talk. Blake: that note and on that note, moving on to Orange County, which a somehow not the least gay franchise. More gay than Salt Lake City for sure. Basically only because Tamra's there and because they had Bronwyn. Casey: Yeah, Tamara definitely carries the the gay. And again, there's like the real life gay of of Heather Dubrow having gay children, but like ⁓ and like Bron Wynne was gay, but like, you know, Blake: But like I do actually really love that one tweet, ⁓ where it's like a picture of Heather DuBrot wearing like a I support LGBTQ youth shirt and then somebody said like, well she doesn't really have a choice now, does she? That was really good. ⁓ but we start off here with the Tamara Fernanda of it all, which is season six. and Fernanda was for those who forgot that like lesbian, Brazilian friend of, kinda friend of, kinda not friend of, I don't really know like what her role was like she was like Casey: Yeah. I think she was a friend of but like kind of got sidelined because she outed her and Tamra's gay experience and like that kind of made things tense for the the group. ⁓ and like that's kind of like Blake: Yeah Casey: mid season like they they have like a flirty vibe in like the beginning so you're always kind of like a little bit like what's going on here and like who is this lady? 'Cause like she really only interacts with Tamra, like and the other women, like occasionally, like she's doesn't give like friend of in the way that we think of it now. But they go out to like dinner and they did a no hate campaign shoot together, which like Blake: Yes, we should throw that up. Casey: First of all, why are you to why'd you do it together and why are you topless? Like Vicky did that shoot with her two children in full clothing. Like Tam was like, I think Fernanda, like let me like call up my one lesbian friend. Blake: Vicki did that shit Vicky did that shit Vicky did that shit in business cash and they were doing it titties out. Like they were Together. Together Casey: Titty's out. And it gave that like they brainstormed like that, that pick and spoke. Like it gave that they rolled up and were like, we're gonna be topless and real close to each other and like with chains. They have like chains we're on their bodies. Blake: Well That's my thing with We We're unshackled and sexy. It's like, alright, and you're not Casey: It's like ANTM. It's like Tyra directed that shot for them. Like that's what that is they won and they won the challenge boots, but it is it is like Blake: In my hands I have pictures of two girls and it's Fernanda and Tamra And it's them making out And that's the thing, like Tamra there's always to me there's always like something of a interest in e in dabbling in the lady pond when it comes to Tamra. Casey: And it's them together topless on the no he can be Well there is here, like for sure, because the issue f with them becomes that Fernanda tells Lynn Curtin, of all people, that her and Tamara kissed at Tamara's like last birthday party. And Tamra gets annoyed and is like, Why are you like spreading this around? And they're like discussing it and Fernanda has a confessional, probably the only one she ever has, about this one issue, but she says like Blake: Yeah. Casey: I knew what I was doing when I kissed her and Tamra knew what she was doing when she kissed me. Like she can write it off as like a drunk thing, but like I knew like the vibes I was getting at and like they're like at lunch and Tamra's in like this fuck ass fedora and she's like, it was just a fun kiss. And Fernanda's like, Okay, girl, like if if that's what it was, like then whatever. ⁓ and they they kind of smash that beef. But Tamra was like kind of like live queer beating her. Like it was like it was like a little bit like and she was like saying, No, I only want to make out with girls if they look like you And it's like, well you can have a type mama. Like you you Blake: Like Right, that's like kinda what that is. And it's okay, like you're with Simon, like honestly that's not gonna last. Like live it up, like, you know, let's Casey: Being gay doesn't mean you have to be attracted to every single woman out there. Like Blake: Although like in her defense, like a a a w woman in married to a that man to Simon in like probably what tw two thousand and seven or s two thousand and nine or something, two thousand and ten, like she probably did think that's how it worked. Like, ⁓ every woman has to be like stunning to you, otherwise you're not gay and it's like no, like, I mean, I know you are attracted to like any old white guy 'cause look at your husband, but like that's also not how it works with being straight. Casey: Right. Mm-hmm. Probably. Yeah. Blake: Like let's just let's just do some math. Casey: And that's like all just like kind of put to bed and and like again Tamara just continues on with her like undercurrent of like if somebody wants to make out with me of the female pff variety, like I'm I'm interested, you know, just let me know, kind of like is her is her vibe. And that's what happens with with Bronwyn when she's on in season fourteen. They have a make out in like the middle of this restaurant in like Blake: Yeah. Casey: What looks to be broad daylight, I don't know, maybe the restaurant's just super bright. It could have been the nighttime. But it was for Shannon's birthday. And I like watched the scene a couple times and I kept rewinding 'cause I like, am I missing? Like, are they playing a game? Like, why why did they start making out? Like it they seem to just be talking about like lesb lesbi lesbianic experiences, and Tam was like, I'll make out with her right now. And they just start making out. And Vicky's so mad. Blake: Yeah. She was like, I have no problem with it. Vicki was pissed. But Vicky also just hated Bronwyn. Casey: It was it was kind of giving a mix. Like she like, Stop that like s it's like it'd be like a funny like reaction like video like corporations after like on July first, like Blake: Mm. Wait, that would be maybe for our Instagram. Not not to show not to talk about strategy on here. But we also have we also have like just honorable mention I think to Lydia McLaughlin or whatever her fucking name was, the one with the teeth. she ⁓ Casey: What the Whoa, don't disrespect the queen. Blake: Didn't realize we have shooters on here. but they go to drag brunch and sh you all remember when she dressed like Charlie Chaplin. But like the only reason I bring this up, obviously drag, whatever, but it's because she like she in her confessional she was like, you know, I really have to like consult my faith and like pray on this to see if like it would be in line with my faith and my values to like go in drag to this drag brunch. And then it's funny to see like w the the whole like thing that she was like wrestling with was dressing up as fucking Charlie Chaplin. Like a fucking bowler hat. She looks ridiculous. That's like honestly not even drag. She's literally just wearing a fucking Halloween costume. Casey: She looks a damn mess. They all look a damn mess. Right. It's it's true. Blake: Like you what I mean? Like drag, like when we're talking about Ashley Darby drag, I feel like she's like and or like even Cynthia with fifty Cyn when like they have like the the little like soul patch and like they look like really like manly, masculine, whatever. They even do like maybe that thing in their pants or whatever. She's fuck she looks like a lunatic. Like she's not like dressed like th she's it is honestly really good. We should we should also throw that up there. Casey: Yeah. It's so funny. Yeah, I can f that that pig is easy to find. Blake: Yeah, that one's really good. ⁓ so a shout out to that. I thought that was really funny. ⁓ and then we end with this honestly is like Noella, you know, she loved to tell everyone she was bi. and she pissed Heather Dubrot off for thinking that it was alright to give Heather Dubro's daughter who the the bisexual one. Casey: Mm. Blake: A pride themed card game. Yeah, I think it was Max. and apparently this like pride themed card game has some like pornographic language on it, if you'd like to read. Casey: Yeah, I think Mac. They have a clip of like Heather and Gina shopping. This is like a graphic episode by accident. Like we're like dropping a lot in here, but Heather Heather is reading it to Gina like to show how like of an inappropriate gift it is. And she's like, and I flip the card around and it says, Having your tits sucked, and they like bleep out tits, so it's like having your like tits Okay, like Blake: I know. ⁓ Casey: And like they look they look absolutely horrified. Like which like I guess like yeah, I guess that's weird to give to like a friend's child. But like whatever girl. Let Max get her tits sucked. Blake: I don't know if you like. I feel like Right, and she probably has. Sorry, Heather. ⁓ you don't have to think about it, but Casey: Like Noella didn't think she was gonna you were gonna narc and read the gif that was meant for Max. Like, it's kinda messed up. Blake: ⁓ And I feel like Noella kind of also like uses this to sort of like paint Heather as like a little bit biphobic. Casey: Yeah. Blake: Which is a really it's a really funny angle to like ignore the fact that she's just like, No, I think it's like explicitly pornographic and she's like, ⁓ it's because I'm bi. ⁓ it's because I'm bi Casey: Wait, that's really funny because she's also gotten like fat phobic. Like what and I think people also have tried to be like Heather's, like she always like doesn't like the women of color like on the show. I.e. like Noelle. So now we she's biphobic, fat phobic. And racists. Blake: Ha ha ha. Everyone just throws everything Racist According to other people, not to us. Casey: Heather, don't get pissed. Don't get pissed. It wasn't me. Blake: Don't get mad af. moving on to to Potomac. ⁓ Potomac like is okay, this time we kind of will just talk about the real gay guys, the real gay people, because it's Michael Darby. And I ⁓ Ashley for sh I mean she said as much. Casey: Yeah, this is like an Ashley. Together and separately they have gay drama and storylines. Blake: Right. They're kind of like the evil version well, I feel like it's not Ashley that's evil, but like their relationship was the evil version of Alex and Simon. Like them together or like the war the Wario. You know what I mean? Casey: Okay, th yeah, I understand that. And there's there's like ⁓ an invisible string because they opened Oz. Go back go back. Blake: And then Alex and Simon went to Australia, moved to Australia. So ⁓ shameless plug. Casey: Go back to our first and second episode if you wanna talk Oz. ⁓ but they opened their they have an Australian restaurant and Alex and Simon live in Australia now. So like, okay, we're yes, the dots are they are connecting, yes. Blake: So that actually really stacks up. So let's talk about Michael Darby first, because we have there are two things that come up for me. Number one, when he said that he wanted to that he would suck Juan Dixon's dick, which a hundred million billion gajillion percent happened. Like I know it wasn't on camera, but like it was around literally so many people. There's no way that that's made up at all. Casey: Yeah. Right. I feel like that's widely accepted that that's true, regardless of what he's said. Like by fans, by the women, like every probably even Ashley now, like Blake: Right. Right. Actually now, yeah, but I think it's funny that in that moment she like really she w I mean, I look I have to give it to her. She was loyal. She was loyal. She was gonna find any way to like explain shit away, but it like you're this is a losing battle. Like there's no way Casey: Well, right. Cause they had even like tinkered around with like the like ⁓ like we're sort of open like at the beginning of their marriage, like but then they kind of like their storyline was like we're closing it off, like we're we're locking it down to each other. So then it was like I don't know, she probably was like, Why are you making me look a fool? We could have just kept saying it was open, like but and you could have just been like I'm a by king and like we're open, like whatever then like Blake: Right. Right. Like honestly, like if he had just been like Right, we're both bi. We're both bi. She likes to hook up with girls. I like to hook with guys. Like who cares? No. Casey: But he definitely would not have wanted that. And she was the issue was that she wasn't wanting, she was wanting a monogamous relationship at the at the time. So like I I think more than he was. So, you know, there's a manila folder stacked to the absolute brim of issues with that couple. But Ashley like has her own. Blake: Right. Right. Casey: kind of like queer journey. I know that she identifies as part of the the community. ⁓ and she, you know, would pop out at Pride singing her her hit her hit single, Coffee and Love out of out of Pride. She's had a bunch of drag events. Coffee and Love. I've I'm really singing a lot on here these days. Like, ⁓ my God. I maybe I need a record, but Blake: Coffee in Love. Which was for Michael Girl. Maybe it's gonna spark a new passion. Casey: Coffee and love taste best when hot. I forget the rest of the lyrics. Something we gotta start it and we won't stop. Nice. Hit that. It's actually a really good song, honestly. I might have to listen to it tomorrow. But that's that's an early stage for her. And then post Michael, she kind of has like her her Drag King moment. Blake: That's all that's the only part I know. Mhm. Yeah. Thank you. That was that was great. Okay. All right. Yeah. What she still has. Casey: Where like she's been dressing up. Yeah, she's done it like a good few times. I mean, she had an event, what was that last season where all the women went and she like performed and was really in like full drag and I know the Blake: Yeah. What's her what's her drag name? It's like Yeah, I don't remember either. It's it's like something like Mr. Testosterone or something. Like I don't know. Casey: So Ashley's ⁓ Ashley's a been a a rider for the the queer community on Potomac. She carries that the the gay she k she carries the gay flag in i in the potomac. And I guess Michael sort of did too. Not proudly, but he had it. Blake: Yeah. She's she's been supportive of And there was also like a grinder situation as well with Michael, no? Like on the show, like someone was like my one of my friends told me they saw him on grind or something like that. Like Or like a gay club, maybe. Casey: I know, there's so many things with him that I can't remember like what was like canon and what was like what we like knew from like behind the scenes. Like wasn't there also an issue with like didn't he like grab a producer's butt or am I thinking of somebody else? Yeah. Blake: Yes. He he I think he grabbed a producer's butt and he also grabbed ⁓ Katie Ross's like at that time, her boyfriend's like butt like he he was a butt grabber. He was a butt grabber. ⁓ A serial ass grabber and and thank God that she does not have to try and defend that behavior anymore. Casey: Right. Right. He was a serial ass grabber. Yeah, thank God she's free. I love seeing a a housewife be freed from from their husband's shackles. Their husband imposed shackles. Blake: I will imposed I will say an honorable mention to Giselle because she kind of is ace representation. ⁓ you know, she's not there's someone made a meme that was like, I'm the baddest thing walking and the acest thing talking. You made that? That's really fucking funny. That is really fucking funny. Okay, since you made it, we should put it up, honestly. It's really fucking funny. Casey: It's me! I made it That was me. I mean I took some of it from the Dorindo one. So like who whoever really made the Dorinda one deserves the the credit for real because I took the inspo from their one. Actually, I'll put both of them up. Because after Love Hotel, I was like, who does Giselle want? Like, I don't know. And honestly though, I feel her. Like, I sometimes think that like women not like Blake: From the Durinda one, yeah. The inspo, yeah, but yours is like cleverer too. Yeah, no, they're both ⁓ my god. She she wants nobody. She wants nobody. Casey: All the time, obviously, not to like invalidate. But sometimes I think asexual phases come too with like women who are like are just exhausted of like the men that have been thrown their way too. Like I also could see Giselle with all the tomfoolery she's had to play with, like in her face. They was playing in her face and she didn't even know it. Like I feel like it could also just be a shutdown of like her life is good. Like why like why bring invite somebody back in who could embarrass her, you know, like which I get. I I Blake: That's true. Right. Why get entangled? Casey: have felt that way in similar situations too where it's like, ⁓ like I just don't want to like get into the whole thing of it. But she is she is I feel like unclear slash like not very overtly sexual housewives stand out just because so many of them are so like get brazen and like yeah and they feel like more ⁓ what's the word? Like Blake: Yeah. Male centric. Casey: more emboldened when they're drinking on the show and now that they kind of have like their own like income and status, like a lot of the housewives like are fine to have those like you know, kissing their friends like when they're drunk night. Like which is different. Like it is it is different. Like Blake: Yeah. Although I'd like to see Giselle get into that. Come on, Giselle, little little smooch for Robin. Casey: I'm sure if she had an urge that Ashley would guide her through her her gay journey, you know? Like I feel like if Giselle had that in her, she would just act on it. Like she definitely has people around her that would like hell's yeah girl. Blake: ⁓ for sure. For sure. I don't yeah. Yeah. moving on to Beverly Hills, which, so, you know, I there there have been very popular allegations, rumors, t storylines on the show. you know, I think we should start with the Kyle L V P. I know we kind of talked about it, you know, ba because it's like a Carol Bethany situation. they've had 'cause they ⁓ on the show they kind of Casey: Right. Yeah. Blake: felt like fell out and kinda became friends again like three or four times before they finally stopped actually being friends and it really was a toxic a toxic ⁓ manipulative situation with L V P. always kinda being the one ready to like leave the relationship and then I feel like the c the way Kyle was always like, No, I love you. I love you like Casey: Mm-hmm. Right. It was very like codependent. Again, s a lot of similarities with Bethany Carroll, I think, of like they're like pe either you've seen it or read about it or lived it yourself, but female friendships can get protective and possessive and like homoerotic. I mean, as can male friendships at times as well. But in the what I'm talking about in the specific female friendship way is like when like it gets very like Blake: Yeah. Casey: That's just my best friend and I don't want her having any other friends. And it's like are we talking about friends or are we talking about like you like wanting to date somebody like is what it's is what it's giving. ⁓ and I feel that way about them too. Blake: Yeah. Right. Right. Like how yeah, like how are are we framing our feelings the right way? like I think that that was maybe cause she was obviously married to Mauricio and I think that like sh there w it was a confusion. I obviously don't think anything ever happened. I don't think L V P like even would go there. But I think for Kyle it might have been like a formative situation for her, like in it maybe informed moving forward, ⁓ with Morgan, which I mean all I really have to say about this, because it's a kind of really annoying situation with Kyle and Morgan, is just that like you're not fooling anybody. We all saw it coming. I get that, like, you know, I think on the one hand Casey: Right. Blake: It's like you should you need to process this at your own speed. So like I kind of on the one hand I'm like I get it. On the other hand, it's like you're kinda playing in everyone's face. Because you are posting her all the time. You are everywhere with her. ⁓ you're also every time you're like talking about this person you like that you can't be with, it's like clearly her. So then there's other part of me that's like y d the only thing you haven't done is just Casey: Right. Right. Blake: say yes it's her. But everything else is obvious. So that that that's why for me it like very annoying. It's like girl just just say it. Casey: felt the same way, like you you would have much more right well I guess right people be like everyone has the right to do whatever, but like you would have much more validity to your claim of like let me like experience and tell people things when I'm ready and like keep my private life private if you weren't also like in her music video like on YouTube and like doing stuff on the show that was like, you know, like bringing her in, getting the tattoos together. Blake: Getting getting a matching tattoo. Casey: Like you could have just not done that, especially then afterwards to be like, she was so uncomfortable on camera. Like then why then like I don't know, it was it was like very like have your cake and eat it too. Like here, here's my life, but then I'm also gonna deny exactly while it's in your face, I'm gonna be like, don't ask me about that. Like okay. Blake: ⁓ my god, please. Right. Like actually get indignant that people are curious what's going on because yeah, it's obnoxious. Casey: So normally I would agree, like let don't like I do like actually think like don't speculate. Like before she was being really annoying about it, like I was never one to be like posting all the time of like Kyle come out. Like literally that's not our business. Like Kyle can come out on her own terms. Like, yeah, was it annoying for storyline purposes of like seeing it and then like not getting the explanation or like Blake: Right. Right. Casey: an opposite thing, yeah. But like in general, for sure, obviously, like let people do their own thing. It's really not that big of a deal. Blake: Yeah. And I mean, ⁓ people were also saying like she did the same thing with Denise. You know, with Denise and Brandy, because that was the other that was the other main sort of like lesbian allegation on the show, where ⁓ apparently like Denise ⁓ Denise and Brandy by the way, like there is nothing shocking or confusing about their sexualities. They are both clearly, you know, bisexual, both clearly go both ways, whatever Brandy said as much. Denise like has said I think she said as much, but in this particular situation she didn't want to admit to it. But ⁓ when this was happening, Kyle was definitely like not giving Denise the space to like talk about it or just deny it and say, Leave me alone or whatever So then people were like, Well that's kind of a double standard now that you want that treatment for yourself. and I'll play the clip of that that w that dinner where they all confront ⁓ Denise about it. Casey: Yeah, that's very true. That's very true. Blake: I love this is my favorite because I love how she's like she's like she's like what? And then she's smiling like and then they're like did you have sex with her? And she's like no no like she's like it's not convincing at all Casey: No No. Well and this whole thing was like sl it gave like witch hunt especially too because Brandy wasn't like on the show and hadn't like really been on the show in like a very like large capacity no in a while. So like it also was like alright, like haul in somebody's alleged lesbian lover to like take them down. Like I don't know. Like it Blake: Yeah. Right. Yeah, let's let's actually draft up a contract for her so she can appear for three episodes and like bring this lady down. When Brandy saw at when they were at like Dorite's stupid Buka de Pepo lounge or whatever that she dire that she whatever. and Brandy was like, Bitch, I left marks. Why are we talking about this? Why do we have to be going there? Whatever We're at Buka de Pepo. Let's have some coons. Casey: What ha whatever happened to class? W whatever happened to discretion? No, that's what bothered me about that situation, 'cause it was just like a little bit like, who cares? Like Like obviously like we care because it's gossip and like, okay, two housewives like maybe hooked up, but like the level that they all like interrogated that on for which is the name of the game in Beverly Hills, for episode after episode after episode, like Blake: Ha ha. Literally, who cares? Casey: Girl, give it up. Like they they probably fucked. Is that not a good enough conclusion for you to leave with? Like you can't just like be like, yeah, she might not be ready to say it on camera in front of the whole world while she's dating a man, but I can go to bed. Blake: They they did like right. Right. Bravo, bravo, fucking bravo. Like she was not. She was telling them, she's like, please do not air this. It is very bad. Like she's like looking to the producers like she literally did. I will fuck all your shit up if you don't stop right now. Casey: She literally said cut the cameras deadass. Like she was like, I'm not playing around. Like, you have five seconds where I'm gonna detonate in here and like your cameras are gonna shut down one way or another. Like, you better you better watch it. If you wanna leave here alive, you're gonna cut that tape right now. Blake: One way or another, this is not getting air. ⁓ so yeah. She grabs a butter knife at the at the table in Italy. She's like, cuts the camera. Jesus, put the butter knife down, Denise. ⁓ but anyway Casey: They're like, okay, fine. And I I know that you don't watch, but I will say in like a realer tone. Slash shout out. Southern Hospitality is one of Bravo's newer ish shows. It's not like super new, but if you don't watch, it's a spin-off of Southern Charm. You don't like need to watch that, but it's like very Vanderpump Rules-esque. Like they all work in a a a nightclub restaurant situation, but they just got a g award for like gay representation in reality TV because they have Three cast members who are openly gay and have been like super open with their experiences living in the South, which like obviously isn't always the best situation. And two of them are black, so that's like always good to see again in the South, where like it's a lot of white people. So shout out to them. Michaels and TJ are the two gay men on the cast, and Lake. Blake: Are those the two that hooked up? Casey: They do hook up a lot, like when they get bored and drunk and stuff. But I I don't think they're like they're not like together. And then Lake is a female cast member and she also identifies as part of the queer community. ⁓ and has like been on like queer dates and stuff. So here's our actual our actual real time shout out to the real gay representation that we have, like airing like currently. ⁓ well they just wrapped up their season, but I recommend that show and it is like really good good rep. Blake: Love that. Amazing. Yeah. And that's Casey: ⁓ and it's like organically, it's not like over like overdone and like you know, when Bravo's like clearly just trying to get like points for like, look, we have gay people, like it doesn't it doesn't give that. Blake: Right. Yeah. ⁓ and that's a good segue into finish off with Rome, Miami. ⁓ with Audrey and Julia, 'cause Julia is, you know, a real sh sh she's a lesbian. She's been with men before, but I'm pretty sure she identifies as a lesbian. And Casey: Right. She was technically the first like out lesbian housewife. Yeah. So obviously a big a big thing, even though she's kind of Yeah, I don't really either. Right. So that in itself like takes her like she doesn't deserve to be mentioned in this episode really at all. But we'll throw it in at the end. Blake: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I don't like her. I mean sh her her h her wife is transphobic. so and in itself invalidates Right. The only reason she's mentioned is because she and Audriana had a suspicious relationship. and I do think Audriana like she definitely it's like Sonia, she's never said like I'm into women, but like she also basically might have might as well have said that Casey: Well they do say well, you're right. She doesn't like outwardly say her sexuality, but on the last reunion they talk about like Adriana and Julia kissing in the Hamptons. ⁓ or like I think slash plus more. I can't like remember the details of what they what they got up to, but Blake: Right. Casey: When they were on a Hamptons trip that was recorded for the show, like they reveal after like this Hampton trip was on an earlier season, but on the most recent one, that's when they're discussing, like, okay, yeah, something happened and Audriana's point is she was cheating. Like I was not cheating on anybody. Like I like and she was like she took advantage of me, like in that sense of like ⁓ sh like I kind of was down to explore, but like she's the married person. Like that's like not like super cute of a look was like the the argument. But it didn't really get anywhere because for some reason Julia wasn't like pressed at all like pressed not like attitude, like pressed on the matter. Like I feel like it wasn't super explored and all the women like had her back and were like, No, that like no Blake: Right. Yeah Casey: like like just don't like she would never cheat yeah and I think like for some of them it's probably I feel like I've used this phrase to like different relationships where it's kind of like I had my lesbian friends back like I'm an ally and it's like okay like Blake: Yeah, 'cause they just didn't like Audriana. Yeah, yeah. Like ⁓ Adriana's being homophobic because, you know, Julia's the lesbian and I wanna get the points for being on the lesbians team. Casey: Right. And like you know I I love the Miami girls, but it it kind of gave like they were stocking up some like ⁓ some points to use later on of like, what do you mean? Like we Blake: Well and good luck using those points you talk about because your show is on pause and we're very sad about it, but how did that work out for you? We yeah. It didn't work out well. And ⁓ on that I don't wanna leave us on that sad note, so I I think ⁓ thank you guys for tuning in. I think we should why don't we end on this video of Sonya dry humping Luann? Casey: We are very sad about it. It did not work out well. Yeah. I love that. Blake: Cheers to Luann being on top. Happy Pride, everyone. Thank you for tuning in. We will see you next week. And don't forget to mention it all again. ⁓ my god, we always forget to plug ourselves. Support us on our socials. We are on Apple Podcasts. We are on Spotify. We are on Instagram, mention it all again pod. YouTube, mention it all again, pod. Casey: Beautiful. Support us on all socials to It's Rim. Blake: TikTok M-I-A-A pod, because we couldn't do the full name on there. We are literally everywhere you get your podcast. Any social media, check us out. Give us a like, subscribe, follow. And don't forget to mention it all again. Thank you guys. Happy Pride. Bye bye. Casey: Happy pride, we love you.