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S4 E24 Mafia Crimes · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: Um, dad.
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  Speaker 2: And dad back and.
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  Speaker 3: The data and at the dam n.
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  Speaker 2: Y Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah nah, Hello.
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: Everybody, and welcome to another episode. If you're criming one
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  Speaker 2: time Live, I'm JT. And I'm here with a guest host.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it's Lama, your friendly neighborhood Lama.
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  Speaker 2: It's me, your friendly neighborhood Lama, producer, all the all
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  Speaker 2: the hats. I actually like I I changed the name
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  Speaker 2: and the top because obviously we had we had a
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  Speaker 2: change in host, and I was like, do I put Lama?
• 2:30
  Speaker 2: Do I put producer Tara? Which one? You know? Are
• 2:33
  Speaker 2: you Pete Barnum? Because you really have to deal with
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  Speaker 2: this animal I don't.
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  Speaker 5: Know, I mean fit pt producer Tara, Right, yeah, I
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  Speaker 5: mean do you feel like you have to, like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: wrangle a circus?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Some days some days it's like wrangling the monkeys
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  Speaker 4: together or the lions.
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  Speaker 2: Some days she just got to pack us up into
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  Speaker 2: cars and ram a train. Just all right, that's not
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  Speaker 2: at all the right thing to say. Well, welcome everybody,
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: Welcome in, Come on in. It's comfortable in here. It
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  Speaker 2: was a lovely temperature today in our area, were you,
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  Speaker 2: Ohio Gray, No.
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  Speaker 4: We had sunshine today, but We've had numerous already, so
• 3:19
  Speaker 4: today was a beautiful day. Actually.
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  Speaker 2: I think last week on the Hey Ho Show, you
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  Speaker 2: and Ryan willed warmer Weather to come back.
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  Speaker 4: We did, I think, so we had enough of it,
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  Speaker 4: wrote mother Nature.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I want to speak to your manager, damn it exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And it turns out our managers just Tim Allen a
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  Speaker 2: Santa Claus.
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  Speaker 4: Actually I think I'm the manager. So it's just me
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  Speaker 4: complaining to myself.
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  Speaker 2: Captain says if she's Barnham, I just hope I'm not
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  Speaker 2: the whale.
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  Speaker 4: Well Kenny's not. It's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Well, so tonight we're gonna do the usual. We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: go through some news stuff, some crazy news that we've pulled.
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  Speaker 2: We are also going to get into mafia crimes, which
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  Speaker 2: is gonna be good. Now, I will say this. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Tara's article initially written and recorded by Cam from our
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  Speaker 2: true crime podcast. She's been kind enough to allow us
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  Speaker 2: to still use the script even though she could not
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  Speaker 2: be here. She had some family stuff going on there
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  Speaker 2: for family first, that's how we always are. And Tara said, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'll join. I suppose maybe so you're you'll you'll be wonderful. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: Or Scotland, I'm just saying, oh.
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  Speaker 2: So sorry, let us get to one thousand first, please
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  Speaker 2: good grief. All right, So, uh we're gonna go through
• 5:41
  Speaker 2: some stupid stuff. Job.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think.
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  Speaker 2: Watch the news because we've seen this do every day.
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  Speaker 2: I mean every day, I think this kid pass out
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  Speaker 2: on that Flora people wanted to be It's just.
• 6:02
  Speaker 4: Like, dude, you get the best barrels ever.
• 6:05
  Speaker 2: Dude, Just let'm out here. Uh, what's what's the best
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  Speaker 2: kind of firework to buy.
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  Speaker 3: Wouldn't you like to know whether, boy, where are your parents?
• 6:21
  Speaker 3: The best firework is one that goes.
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  Speaker 4: Boom mm hmm awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Do we need anything else? I'll i'll, I'll get us started.
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  Speaker 2: Uh a huh. The Independent reports that a mom and
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  Speaker 2: son use their real estate business as a front for
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  Speaker 2: their pretty woman prostitution empire. Cops say, really, really, really
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  Speaker 2: for sure, here, I'll show you. I'll show you their
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  Speaker 2: pictures real fast, just so everybody has a has a
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  Speaker 2: glimmer of mom and son. Oh wow, uh, which I'm
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  Speaker 2: not white sure how to feel about it. It evokes
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  Speaker 2: some really odd emotions that I would like to just
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  Speaker 2: drop and then like yeah, it's so weird, so weird. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So anyways, Flora man and his mother jointly, of course
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  Speaker 2: it's Florida jointly ran a sprawling prostitution ring for nearly
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  Speaker 2: a quarter century, washing hundreds of thousands of dollars via
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  Speaker 2: various front companies in real estate purchases. According to police
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  Speaker 2: who nabbed the pairs, they allegedly prepared to flee the
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  Speaker 2: country based on intelligence gathered. This is from a probable
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  Speaker 2: cause affidavit. Oh that would be fun to read for
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  Speaker 2: the transcript. Based on intelligence gathering and evidence obtained from records,
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  Speaker 2: there is reason to believe Margaretta Margareta von Lambert is
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  Speaker 2: using her Florida realtor's license to facilitate the laundering of
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  Speaker 2: illicit proceeds for her son, Christopher Jelavic. Jelavic, I guess Jelavick.
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  Speaker 2: So many of the escorts working for the mother son
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  Speaker 2: team were actually registered as real estate agents and had
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  Speaker 2: valid real estate license. This, by the way, the staff
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  Speaker 2: of David is one hundred in three pages.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to make a note of that.
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  Speaker 2: Now you should you very thank you, lady, and Gray
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  Speaker 2: said real estate agents in quotes. So the son is
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  Speaker 2: forty eight, the mother that okay, if if if I know,
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  Speaker 2: we don't like to play this game, but if you
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  Speaker 2: had to guess an age on that woman, what would
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  Speaker 2: you guess?
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  Speaker 4: Fifty four?
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  Speaker 2: Older?
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  Speaker 4: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sixty four?
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  Speaker 4: She's more than sixty four? Wow? Okay, seventy years old?
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  Speaker 4: What wow?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a lot of work. Prostitution rings really
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  Speaker 2: pay apparently wow.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: So they're both detained on fellowy charges of money laundry
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  Speaker 2: and deriving support from the proceeds of prostitution and if
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  Speaker 2: they come up with bail money six figure sums for each,
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  Speaker 2: the two will have to prove to a judge that
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  Speaker 2: the funds are not linked to any illicit activity. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think they can do that. Von Lambert's husband, Joseph
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  Speaker 2: for Fordyce, who is not facing criminal charges but is
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  Speaker 2: named in the affidavit, said he wasn't ready to talk
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  Speaker 2: about the case. He said quote, I think it's premature
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  Speaker 2: to discuss anything. Poor word choice. I don't want to comment.
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  Speaker 2: Another person who was involved in the construction business but
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  Speaker 2: not involved in the crime ring mentioned in the affidavit,
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  Speaker 2: said I can't talk right now, call me some other time.
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  Speaker 2: As he sat there with you know, five of the
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  Speaker 2: escorts m There's no attorney listed in court records. She's
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  Speaker 2: unavailable to be reached for comment. Obviously, the mom's lawyer
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  Speaker 2: did not immediately respond for our request to comment. They
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  Speaker 2: went into business in two thousand. They've been targeted by
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  Speaker 2: instigators multiple times in the past, but have never been
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  Speaker 2: prosecuted until now. Their primary company, Pretty Woman Escorts, offered
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  Speaker 2: Latin American and European women that screams trafficking UH for
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  Speaker 2: three hundred to four hundred dollars an hour. The website says,
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  Speaker 2: good things come in tiny packages. This tiny five foot
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  Speaker 2: two Colombian is waiting for you. What is happening? Wow?
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: What is happening? Oh? I should Okay, Well, they've got
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  Speaker 2: a website and it's still up. That's fascinating.
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  Speaker 4: Your algorithms.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, that just all messed up, captain said, And
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  Speaker 2: here I thought real estate was a good business to
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  Speaker 2: be in. I mean it sounds like it was for
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  Speaker 2: three to four hundred dollars an hour. Sure it does.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see. Uh oh, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: A third person, a third sport says on the website,
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  Speaker 2: do you have a desire for a woman who will
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  Speaker 2: mesmerize you, allure you, and invite you with her touch, charisma, charm, intelligence,
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  Speaker 2: and sensuality. Sounds like the intro to drag Race. I'll
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  Speaker 2: I make it a mission to ensure the time we
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  Speaker 2: spend together will make you forget about the outside world.
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  Speaker 2: The way you read, yeah, the business was I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how I read it. How did I read it?
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  Speaker 4: Just in a very deep, sultry voice.
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  Speaker 2: That's all soultry. I've never been I've never been convicted
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  Speaker 2: of having a soldiery voice in my Life, and the
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  Speaker 2: business was hidden behind a front company, Boca Art Studios.
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  Speaker 2: According to the affidavit, law enforcement review of von Lambert's
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  Speaker 2: bank record showed large dipposits from Boca, as well as
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  Speaker 2: money coming in from Social Security. The affidavit states checks
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  Speaker 2: written against the account showed various payments for vague purposes
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  Speaker 2: such as is quote home remodeling, loan for construction, iph
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  Speaker 2: school refund, travel expenses, and multiple checks for bathroom remodeling.
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  Speaker 2: According to the affid David, I'm trying to see if
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  Speaker 2: there's any numbers. Von Lambert advertised herself as a real
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  Speaker 2: estate broker, artist and designer, showing works on her website
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  Speaker 2: with names such as Homage to Picasso, Homage to Picasso?
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  Speaker 2: Is that? Wait? Is that her one moment? Please it?
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. The Sun purchased millions of dollars worth
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  Speaker 2: of real estate through Von Lambert, but employment record showed
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  Speaker 2: an income of only three thousand dollars per quarter.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, buddy, there's a lack of.
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  Speaker 2: Financial transactions of real estate activity. A team of detectives
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  Speaker 2: from Broward County. Of course, it is tail the Brazilian
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  Speaker 2: woman being driven by her husband from pretty Woman to
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  Speaker 2: the next out call appointment. According to the warrant, it
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  Speaker 2: says that they pulled up to an scale condominium complex
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  Speaker 2: on a golf course in Pompino Beach shortly before nine pm,
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  Speaker 2: and the sex worker entered a ground floor apartment while
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: her husband waited outside in the car. One of the
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  Speaker 2: detectives got out walked toward the back of the building,
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  Speaker 2: where he was able to see in through the curtainless windows.
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  Speaker 2: He watched as the male saws subject began massaging the
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  Speaker 2: female's head and sniffing her hair. After a few minutes,
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  Speaker 2: he directed the female to the bedroom after she took
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  Speaker 2: bob bah. We all know what the rest of it is.
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  Speaker 2: Another officer on the scene spotted an exchange of cash
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  Speaker 2: between the buyer and the escort. You know, one of
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  Speaker 2: those guys got the short end of the stick on
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  Speaker 2: what they saw. I'm just tossing that out there. Let's see.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to read through all of this. I
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  Speaker 2: was trying to see if there was like a total
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  Speaker 2: number or something, but there isn't. It's unclear how authorities
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  Speaker 2: kept the Sun and von Lambert off of the flights
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  Speaker 2: they were going to be getting on, but the Sun
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  Speaker 2: was arrested September eleventh, Von Lambert on September twelfth, both
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  Speaker 2: ordered to turn in their passports. Their scheduled to be
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  Speaker 2: arraigned October second, which was yesterday. Ooh, I wonder if
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  Speaker 2: there's an update. I don't know anyways, mom AND's son.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well that is a.
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  Speaker 2: Fun Oh man, do you want to go? Do you
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  Speaker 2: want me to do another one?
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  Speaker 4: Oh? Sure, I can go. I'd be more than happy
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  Speaker 4: to you. Okay, Oh right, So mine is about a
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  Speaker 4: weirdo and I'm gonna call them that because it's weird.
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  Speaker 4: So my article checks out is voyeur caught hiding under
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  Speaker 4: vehicles at car wash to stare at women's feet because
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  Speaker 4: of course somebody was yep, this guy. So A twenty
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  Speaker 4: eight year old man from Arizona, Jesse Michael Johnson, has
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  Speaker 4: been arrested again after allegedly hiding under women's vehicles at
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  Speaker 4: a car wash to stare at their feet. Johnson, who
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  Speaker 4: has a history of similar offenses. Yes again, can you
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  Speaker 4: not one time? Not two times? By the way, as
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  Speaker 4: we'll learn, but no spoilers. Johnson, who has a history
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  Speaker 4: of similar offenses, faces charges of voyeurism and disorderly conduct.
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  Speaker 4: According to authorities, the incidents took place at a Superstar
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  Speaker 4: car wash in Gilbert, Arizona. In each case, women were
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  Speaker 4: vacuuming their SUVs when Johnson parked next to them, crawled
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  Speaker 4: under their vehicles and remained there for several minutes. Surveillance
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  Speaker 4: he just likes did he just like gold.
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  Speaker 2: Underneath the car.
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  Speaker 4: It's not his first time, so maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it's probably a dryer place, right, I mean.
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  Speaker 4: We're okay. Surveillance footage captured Johnson in the act. He
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  Speaker 4: only emerged from under the vehicles once the women had
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  Speaker 4: nearly finished vacuuming, then casually returned to his car, pretending
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  Speaker 4: to clean off to clean one of his tires before
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  Speaker 4: driving off. One of the victims, Chanelle, said she was
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  Speaker 4: in shock when she realized someone was hiding under her car.
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  Speaker 4: At what point you can see his head pop out
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  Speaker 4: on the driver's side looking up at me, She said, No,
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  Speaker 4: sharp diatrist, he could, But also do we want him
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  Speaker 4: to be like I don't want my podiatrists having this
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  Speaker 4: sort of thing going on there?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, thank you. I think it's really funny. Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's really funny that he was kind of
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  Speaker 2: like caught, but then he was like, nothing to see,
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  Speaker 2: just your feet, I mean, nothing to see.
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  Speaker 4: So Chanel also mentioned that all the women involved were
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  Speaker 4: wearing flip flops and shorts, suggesting a pattern to Johnson's actions.
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  Speaker 4: The incident has left her traumatized and experiencing nightmares. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: because I get at nighttime. I am always paranoid that
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  Speaker 4: somebody is going to be under my car. We're in
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: the back seat, Like I'll check both numerous times because
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: I always am like, the thought of somebody grabbing your
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  Speaker 4: ankles terrifies me. Like even in my when I'm in bed,
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  Speaker 4: I don't have like an underbed, right, it's just my
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  Speaker 4: mattress and the floor, and I still like, oh, something's
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  Speaker 4: gonna grab my feet.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean it's that childhood like monster under
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  Speaker 2: my bed come to life. Yeah, you know right, So, yes,
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  Speaker 2: you know Johnson's Johnson got him in trouble. So this
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  Speaker 2: is not.
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  Speaker 4: John's Johnson's first defense. No, In twenty sixteen, at the
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  Speaker 4: age of twenty, he was sighted in Nebraska for hiding
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  Speaker 4: under a woman's car to touch her feet. At that time,
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  Speaker 4: Johnson admitted to being sexually attracted to women's feet and
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: claimed he could not control his impulses. Authority said this
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  Speaker 4: was the fourth time that year he had been cited
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  Speaker 4: for similar behavior. Huh, so he's been doing that for
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  Speaker 4: a while, and I don't think he stopped between twenty
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  Speaker 4: sixteen in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Four ants top won't stop. Jeez, no, just weird. You
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  Speaker 2: know what's funny? Like you ever go to those those
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: those vacuum after like a car wash, right when everybody
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  Speaker 2: when all the car's been sprayed with like wax and
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: all that, and then they get dried or they get
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: like you know, rin stop and they come out and
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: you park. Have you ever like like you get back
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  Speaker 2: in your car and your feet or slippery because of
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: all the stuff that's been on the floor, Like that's
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: what he was laying in Like I mean, well, yes,
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  Speaker 2: can you permit something better? Please?
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  Speaker 4: Right? That's gross. I saw a couple of weeks ago,
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  Speaker 4: I saw a car wash. But they didn't call it
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: a car wash, right, they called it an auto spa.
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, I hate that. Why why my
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: car doesn't need to go to a spa?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, just call it what it is.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Call it what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So I'll do one more and it won't
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: be the one I'll save it for Hey Ho show.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: It's more Hey Ho show. Anyways. So this is from
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: the economic times. Yeah, this is from the economic times
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: in Dubai. And if you know about Dubai, there's a
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: lot of money in that that country and a lot
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: of people with that money, and so you know, please
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: don't hold your fellows up to this standard. But apparently
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: a Dubai businessman purchased a private island for fifty dollars
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: to ensure his wife feels safe on the beach.
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  Speaker 4: Fifty million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Sudi al Nadak Nadac I think it's Nadac is a
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: twenty six year old housewife and social media influencer, and
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: she shared the news in a viral Instagram video. Caption
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: point of view, You wanted to wear a bikini, so
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: your millionaire husband bought you an island. She's originally from
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: the UK, married to a Dubai businessman, Jamal al Nadak.
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  Speaker 2: The couple who met while studying in Dubai, have been
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: married for over three years. She's well known frequently sharing
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: her life on social media. Boy. One of her posts
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  Speaker 2: shows the couple buying a million dollar diamond ring and
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: investing in two million dollar artwork pieces in a single day.
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  Speaker 2: The video about the private island blah blah blah blah blah.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: They don't have the exact location because, of course. She's
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: faced criticism on social media, though, with some accusing her
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: of showing off no shit. In response to the backlash,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: she said, I don't understand why I get so much hate,
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  Speaker 2: as I just like to share my lifestyle with everyone. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so like you think, like my brain says, like it's
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: either really really not comfortable in Dubai right to wear
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  Speaker 2: something on the beach. I don't really know that culture
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  Speaker 2: too well, or you'd think, you know, well, there's some
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  Speaker 2: kind of a reason, But I just can't see a
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  Speaker 2: reason why. Like I mean, there's a filter in this picture.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: They can and I.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Just mulan rouged it because it can can can Yeah,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Bell's Bell said, what this hasn't happened to you all.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I've had a couple of islands. But for me, when
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: you talk, yeah, I'm gonna let you wrap your second
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: yeah right playbook for sure. Captain Chapton said, I think
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  Speaker 2: I'll steal clear, steer clear of men with private islands.
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  Speaker 4: Ah, that's awesome, good point, awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Nice Lisa. I'm gonna let you end with this one
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: because I'm sure there were gonna be some jokes.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yes, So we went from feats to beavers. So
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: a judge rules Nibby the Orphan Beaver can stay with
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: rescue team. Quote, we should all be on the same team.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: I included this story because it's cute and it's about
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: a beaver. So so Nibby the Beaver, a social media
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: sensation for nearly two years, will stay with her rescue
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: group for now. The orphan beaver was taken in by
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: new House Wildlife Rescue and Sturbridge, Massachusetts at a very
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: young age and has grown up there. Look at how cute.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Look at how cute Nibby the beaver is eating that
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: pumpkin durable mess. Wildlife is pushing for Nibby the Beaver's
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: return into the wild, stating that wild animals like this
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: one belong in the wild. So there is a fight
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: going on for what should happen in Nibbi the beaver
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: right now. So authorities claim that Nibbi the Beaver is
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: rehabilitated enough to return to the wild. Quote. The role
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: of licensed wildlife rehabilitators is to care for sick and
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: injured wildlife so that animals can be released back into
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: the wild as soon as possible. New House Wildlife Rescue
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: was informed in June that the beaver is healthy and
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: must be returned to the wild in accordance with their
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: permit and state regulations. So that's like a fair point, right, Like, okay,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: you know that's your job. That's fine. However, new House
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: argues that Nibbi the beaver is accustomed to life at
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: the facility and releasing her could risk her survival, which
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: is like important, I think crime being that's their mission, right,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: so they quoted no one from mass Wildlife has ever
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: met this beaver. We try to make Nibby releasable, but
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Nibby is going to have to figure it out for
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: the very first time, and with it being October. If
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Nibby doesn't get it right the first time, I don't
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: think she's going to make it. Which I agree, poor
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: little Nibby, we want we expect you to like build
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: a damn in like a week. This is not a
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: superhero beaver. If it is it shouldn't go in the wild.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: With no agreement in sight, the courts have stepped in
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: to decide Nibby the Beaver's fate. An injunction was filed
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: against the state, which resulted in the issuance of a
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: temporary restraining order on behalf of New House from associates
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Superior Court Justice Kathleen Campbell. So she writes up this
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: order prohibiting the removal of Nibby the Beaver from the
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: rescue and or releasing her back in the wild. So
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: a hearing, though, is scheduled for tomorrow, Friday, October fourth,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: which will determine Nibby's fate. So hopefully Nibby can stay
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: with them, but we'll see tomorrow. So while the restraining
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: order is a good start, it does not mean that
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Nibby will be able to stay with New House much longer.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: New House shared that they are completely heartbroken over the
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: entire situation and that everyone should be working together. Quote.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: I shouldn't be working against the state to try and
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: save an animal, especially a keystone species. We should all
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: be on the same team. New House has shared a
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: post regarding their stance on the situation, which reads hashtag
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: don't touch my beaver, hashtag NIBBI strong. Thank you all
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: for your support in keeping Nibbi with new House Wildlife.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: So hashtag take me on a date first.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know if we should tread the water of
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: hashtag don't touch my beaver, but genius whoever I.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Mean, might be worth it might be worth it might
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: get some traction. Our target audience tends to tends to
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: prefer suggestive hashtags. I don't know.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: I think they should let the beaver stay through the spring.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, it sounds like it's a domesticated beaver.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: That cooks in everything is a grown ass beaver. Let
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: the beaver make it up.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Its own mind, my beaver, my choice.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I promised we wouldn't get political here.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's true, that's true.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Hello, thank you for catching alive. Good to see you.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Oh hold on, follow up question, where's the queen tonight?
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: The queen is in nice France? Yes, bro, tough, life's.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Work, not jel work at all, in the slightest.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: No, no, never, not at all all. Right, Well, that
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: does it for ridiculous news. We're going to talk about
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: a little bit of what we are dranking, and then
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: we're gonna get into uh Tara's case first and then
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: me second. And would you like to talk about what
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: you are dranking?
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Well, I just poured myself another glass, so I might
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: as well. Tonight, I'm finishing off my birthday bottle of
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: tequila me Campo Boom, which is not much Campo campo,
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: and some strawberry margarita mix, so so left over for
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: my birthday last Friday. Finish them off tonight, so it's
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: not wine. I apologize. I know it's true crime and
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: wine time, but I can't let the margaritas go bad.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: So I don't have any one with me tonight. You know,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I was like mafia something like. I was looking. I
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: don't have any bourbon, but I would have done that
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: or some thing that. Being sad, I found something I
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: don't even. I've never had this before. We could grow
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: hard cider. It's parsecco. I was like, that sounds fancy,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: why not, we'll give it a shot. Really, what it
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: is is four cans of PBR and then this but smell.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: It doesn't even I haven't tasted it yet. Oh, it
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: just smell weird.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: It smells weird. Isn't prosecco? Like something else, like a
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: dessert winer.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Well, it's like they're doing they're doing a play on
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: words pairsecco. So it's like.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: I get it now, paraseco Okay, sorry, there's not much
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: to it, much to it at all.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Anyways, that's what it is. Nothing special tonight where we
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: do get into the cases. Just want to let you know.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Although less tonight for the most part, the episode contains
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: graphic content adult language might not be suitable for all listeners.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Probably should put that in the beginning too late, buddy,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I really need to add that to the old opening video.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: But anyway, Yeah, so yeah, let us know what you
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: think about the cases as we go, and we may
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: or may not be able to read them out. It
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: just kind of depends, so I leave it to you.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Okay. So the case I'm covering tonight is written by
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Cam from our true crime podcast. So I hope I
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: do her justice here because it's pretty good. So it's
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: a pretty good story. So let me take you in
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: to this story. So, the Mafia, the mob, the family.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: It has many names, but only one thing. This organization
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: is concerned about money. This long standing group has members
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: from the streets hustling up to corrupt government officials in
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: the neighborhoods they run. They are feared by some and
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: adored by others. This family follows a set of rules
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: demanding loyalty to each other above all else, including well
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: your own family. To break these laws not only goes
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: against what they stand for, but it very well may
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: cost a life or two. After all, someone must pay.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: The American mafia stems from the immigration of Sicilians and
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: other Italians in the eighteen eighties. Along with their luggage
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: and families, the men brought their mother countries mafia code
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: with them to the East Coast along with other parts
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: of the country. When prohibitions started, the mafia saw a
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: cash cow enacted accordingly, could sell a legal liquor to
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: speak easies. They dominated the scene and made sure they
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: had a hand in it all. Sorry commotion in the background,
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: just a second. It was during this time that five
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: families were fighting for control in New York. Charles Luciano
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: or Lucky, was the first boss of the Genevese family,
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: and he had an idea. He wanted the mafia families
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: to agree to share power and improve activities for the
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: entire country. Hence, the Commission was born. The commission was
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: established in nineteen thirty one. But the commission, I mean,
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: it sounds pretty official.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: It does sounds like a yeah, it sounds like a
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: movie that would involve Leonardo DiCaprio.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, they should make that movie so directed
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: by Martin SCORSESEA of course.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean yes, I mean, I guess. The consideration
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: here though, for Leo is that this story technically is
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: over seventeen years old, so he's probably not into it.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Stop it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: That's hilarious.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Black with a lawsuit for slander. Here we go, all right.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: So the Commission was established in nineteen nineteen thirty one
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: and was initially run by Salvatore Marenzano, who gave himself
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: the title Boss of All Bosses. That didn't sit well
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: with Lucky, so he orchestrated Marizano's assassination, because of course
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: you do. The new commission was made up of bosses
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: from the five New York families, along with al Capone
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: from Chicago, Never heard of them and Stefano Magadino of
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: the Buffalo Family. Much like a big corporation, the commission
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: runs like a board of officers. The members acted as
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: representatives for their family at least two, bringing their concerns
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: to the attention of the rest of the commission. The
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: money making schemes as well as assassination tips attempts had
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: all had to go and from the Commission to be approved.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: So you're just going up to these guys being like,
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: I want to kill this guy, can't I? Like they're
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: your parents?
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah right? You know, you know it reminds me of
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: It reminds me of House of Dragons where they have
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: the table, right, and they all make the decisions at
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: the table. That's pretty much what this reminds me of. Right,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: and might as well just have like two face flipping
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: a coin to say yes, yes or no?
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: So pretty much right? Oh man, I just that's just
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: really funny to me and this organized crowd, Like we
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: have rules. Speaking of rules, there is a set of
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: rulees actually that must be obeyed and failure to do so, well,
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: it's the mafia. What do you think is going to happen?
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: So these are the rules of the mafia? Number one?
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Are you going to read it like mobster? Like?
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: How is that? I don't know how that would be?
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Go oh, you know, you know how to do it?
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know about that. I'm going to pass this
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: time is on the spot there, and I've only on
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: my second Margarita, sir. I guess I should have switched spots,
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: and then you probably.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Would apparently right, you should have been under your car
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: while you were vacuuming it.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Use my New Jersey accent. It's been a while since
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: I've had to bust that out. I don't want to
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: be that offensive over here, because it's really offensive to
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: the whole state of New Jersey. Like, no one, it's
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: not good, all right, forget about it, all right, Number one,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: No one could present himself directly to another of our friends.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: There must be a third person to do it. I
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: don't know what that means.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: I think I think that there has to be like
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: a third person between family and non family, Like there
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: has to be another family member to introduce non family
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: to another family member, like like almost like it's like
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: an immediate like he checks out kind of a situation. Oh,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: that's what it sounds like.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: I thought it was more like when they introduced like
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: kings and queens like now presenting to you producer Lama
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: here like I thought, maybe that's what like you can
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: only you have to be announced by somebody. I mean,
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: maybe that's just what I want. I don't know. Number two,
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: never look at the wives of friends.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: No no, no.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Number three never be seen with cops. Number four. Don't
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: go to pubs and clubs, which it is confusing for
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: me because they kind of ran pubs and clubs. Oh,
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: that's interesting.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: They only went to collect, right, like they only went
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: to collect.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: I mean a lot of them ran strip clubs and stuff, so.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Well did they or did they have somebody else do
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: it for it.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: I'm basing a lot of my knowledge off the sopranos.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: So that's fair. That's very fair. I'm good with that.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: That's good job, good job. Number five. Always be available
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: for kosin nostra is a duty, even if your wife's
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: about to give birth.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: So it's a very specific that. That's one of those
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: rules where you know, something happened and they had to
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: make a rule about it. Even if your mother's dying.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: You're coming to a business, you.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: See, and you wanted me to do an accent. You're
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: so much better at it.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I'm just open to offending people. That's all.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Number six appointments must be respect or you have to
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: pay a two hundred dollars cancelation fee just getting married.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: Out of that part. Number seven wives must be treated
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: with respect.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I just feel like that's subjective on this.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm giving a look for those just listening,
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: I'm giving a look like sure, sure, buddy. Number eight.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: When asked for any information, the answer must be the
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: truth unless it's the cops. Right, because set out ranks
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: number eight, so right. Number nine, money cannot be appropriated
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: if it belongs to others or others' families. Number ten
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: people can't be a part of Coasin Nostra. Anyone who
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: has a close relative to the police. Oh I've read
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: this wrong. I'm sorry. Let me start over again. Number
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: ten people who can't be a part of Coasin Nostra
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: One anyone who has a close relation to the police.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Two anyone with a two timing relative in the family.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: Three anyone who behaves badly and doesn't hold to moral values.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: So what they really mean is anybody we don't like
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: or we decide as any of those things.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: Right, forget about it.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Forget about it.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: So with these rules, there were some other unspoken rules,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: such as no facial hair, which I wonder why no
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: blood for blood, meaning you can't kill someone just because
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: they killed your family, unless, of course it was approved
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: by the boss. And of course all must be Italian
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: to become full made full or made members.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: So I wonder, I wonder if the facial hair had
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: something to do with You could do something with a
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: beard and then shave it off and they would have
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: a hard time find like figuring out you know, maybe
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: identity facial hair. I don't know, because Italian men are
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: notoriously harry, so not quite sure, just tossing that out there.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but now you think about like, I've never seen
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: any of them with any facial hair before.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Nope, not really.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: Okay, where were we Let's see. There was also a
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: whispering that all men must like the ladies, but we
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: will get to that after a bit of background. The
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: Big Five ran New York City, but there was another
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: family that ran New Jersey. The Big Five were Gambino, Genevisi, Luciesi.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that's how you pronounced the last name,
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: but I just liked that it was cheesy at the end,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: so I just went with it. Colombo and Banano and
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: the family responsible for handling affairs nearby New Jersey was
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: the Cavalcante de Cavalcante crime family. This also happens to
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: be the rumored family that The Sopranos is based on,
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: with lots of similarities.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Can can I make I'm going to make an ADMI.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: When I was initially like kind of going through quickly
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: through the script, I read the sentence with the names,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: and I could have sworn I would have bet my
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: life on the fact that that last name Banano was
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: actually in put like inserted by cam as a joke,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: and it was not no no and I yeah, LUCHESI,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: it could Chasi, but who knows.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: Well Genna v Si. But they end kind of the same.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: So but what they do, which depends if they had
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: a pizza plates or not?
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: Maybe all right? So the Jersey organization started with Sam
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: de Calve de Calvicante, known as Sam the Plumber and
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: the Count. During his reign, he doubled the number of
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: made men with within his family during the sixties. He
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: gained his nickname from the HVAC company he owned and ran,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: which of course was how he hid his illegal money.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Sound familiar with Sopranos fans. Actually, I think this was
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: a trash company, but he was yeah, you know, close enough.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: He also claimed to come from a royal Italian family,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: hence the count. It was a big deal because he
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: ended up with a seat on the Infamous Commission next
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: to the Big Five.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: He was the inspiration for Alan Aha ha ha who
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: aha aha aha uh.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: That's funny. So when Di Cavalcanti did a prison stint
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: and was older, he appointed Giovanni John the Eagle Raje
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: as the acting boss of the family. Raj was tight
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: with the teflon don John Gotti, and during the mid
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: Night teen eighties, Raj fell increasingly under the influence of
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: Gambino crime family boss John Goggie, who we've all heard of,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: John Gottie. When Raj's conviction for racketeering, he appointed John
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Diamatto as acting boss of the family in nineteen ninety.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Here is where our story begins. So that was just
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: a warm up into some history of the mafia. We're
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: going to talk about John Johnny Boy Dematto. So when
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: John Johnny Boy Diamatto took over, he continued to do
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: what he knew best, murder. Oh you know what I
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: forgot about sidetrack, I forgot I had a hat for
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: the show over my OPhones. So I did forget. I
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: did bring my mop head.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: You did bring your mop had I'll do the heir.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: You're going to be a Newsy and I'll wear.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: My I'll be a Newsy. I'll run you, I'll run
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: your street business. It's fine.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: Well, what was silly hats?
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: So he was tried. He was a tried and true gangster,
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: just like John Gotti. Both men were a bit flashy,
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: and both knew what it took to get to the
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: top and remain at the top. Man, this hat just
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: makes you feel like you can read better, doesn't it
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: It does? What is that about? Anyway?
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Why do you think I read this or I wear
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: this for the transcript?
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: I know you're like, I feel a fisher with this
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: hat on.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Look at me, it feels real.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Look at us, all right? John Diamatto was not well
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: liked in the outfit. He was a hot head and
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: did just what he wanted. When Johnny Boy disappeared when
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: Chili Day in January of ninety two, people wondered if
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: he went with Luca Brossi and was now sleeping with
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: the fishes. Oh we know what that means Elizabeth and
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: its twin city, Newark, located in northern New Jersey, has
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: long been a town with a rough side, with its
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: roots as an industrial city city. The scenery is a
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: bit bleak, with refineries spitting smoke into the air. In
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: the Petersontown area, you will find one of the oldest
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: Italian communities. Just like in the Sopranos, their streets are
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: lined with Italian meat markets and Italian bakeries.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, their meat markets here.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: Okay, sorry, that's fine, all right. Johnny Boy may not
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: have been well liked, but with a friend like John Gotti,
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: few would speak up. Like they say, it is better
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: to be feared than respected. With Johnny Boy at the top,
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: he made sure to secure his leadership with great power
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: below him. Johnny's childhood friend, Anthony Cappo, was a soldier
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: for the family. Who did who did the work that
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: is in quotes for the family. He did the wet work,
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: as it is called, meaning he killed those that crossed
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: the family are ones that just needed to be taken out.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: Anthony would not only use a gun or knife, but
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: use whatever weapon was closest, like a fork. As the
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: story goes well as the story goes one evening when
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: he was chatting up a lady at a bar. A
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: man approached and started hitting on the lady. Anthony tells
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: him to get lost, and the man snaps off using
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: some choice words. Anthony picks up a fork and shoves
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: it in the man's eye. Yikes. Anthony was cruel and
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: cold and willing to do whatever was needed.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: It reminds me of the scene with Jack Nicholson and
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: The Departed where he just like was like, give me
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: a shoe, and then he took the shoe and just
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: bashed his broken hand. Leonardo DiCaprio's Yes, Are You a Rat?
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: What a good movie. I might watch that. Oh.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I love that movie so much.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: It's so good.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I did a whole media study on it for undergrad
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Did you I love you so much? I'd have to
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: tell you it. It's interesting what we kind of discovered,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: although we're also thinking too much about it, because that
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: is just like art.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Continue ut, No, you're good. I'm just fixing my hat
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: over here, because it was all I don't know what's
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: going on with.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: My hat lady, and Grage just said I bought the
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Godfather trilogy. Blu ray Box said I don't know why
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I do. All right, all we gotta p pew thanks
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: for giving a true crime and Wine time membership. You
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: surely appreciate that. Yeah right, I gotta figure out. Hold on,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta get out of here and figure
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: out who got it.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna make a decision on the fly. Uh a,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: p Amy, If you could take a look on uh
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: the YouTube channel and just put in the private chat
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: who picked that up? I'd love to say welcome, Thank you, beautiful.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: I guess a different kind of story than the ones
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: we're covering tonight, just a little. There's no Nazis in
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: this one.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: No no, and soon, oh bell too soon as hopefully
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: it's not a precursor.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: All right, Okay, So Anthony was cruel. He was a
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: jerk face. Another man under Johnny was Stefano be tablet.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: Stefano was old school. He had been in the family
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: for a long time and had seen his share of
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: going on. He never wanted to be a boss. He
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: was content to be the man that was sought for advice.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: He was in control of what went down and how
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: to do it. He was the brains ah, the biggest
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: feather in Johnny's Fedora was a man by the name
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: of Vinnie pale Remo who went by Vinnie Ocean due
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: to his day job at the seafoods market called the
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: Fulton Fish Market.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Did he have eleven?
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: Eleven or twelve or thirteen?
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: A right?
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: We just keep adding friends. Vinny was a good looking
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: guy with manners and charisma who slung fish by day
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: and slung Wiggles at night.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: But but.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: Wiggles is a strip club and Vinnie owned and operated.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: I thought they weren't allowed to be in bars and clubs,
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: pubs and clubs.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: I guess if they're making money, it's fine.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know as if he is not busy enough.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: He also mastermind a scheme, just like the Wolf of
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: Wall Street Jordan Beltfort did, the old pump and dump,
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: which is having people buy stock quickly and fast, making
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: the price go up, then when it is high they
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: dump it. Those would have a lot of stock and
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: earn a killing off this. It is also illegal, by
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: the way. Oh thank you lady and Gray.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Thank you for gifting a membership and welcome officially to
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: the vineyard.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: Buffy ooh, buffy, fantastic. All right with those four running
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: the New Jersey Show. They will do fine. They will
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: do just fine in business. I mean, that's quite the
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: group that Johnny and Boyce put together here. Yeah, they
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: got the brains, the bronze, and they have a friend
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: that owns a strip club. So what more do you know?
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Right? They are living life.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: In their personal lives, they were doing what most of
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: the made men were doing. They had a lovely wife
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: and beautiful children at home, which is where they stayed
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: when the gentlemen went out on the town with a
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: girlfriend or several girlfriends. Johnny Boy was no different. Inter
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: a woman by the name of Kelly, or that is
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: what she went by. In court, Kelly said that Johnny
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: Boy approached her at a bar one night and ever
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: so confidently said, here is the place, and if you
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: are interested in me, you will be there. No need
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: to exchange numbers.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: How suave is that?
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: That's exactly how I picked I picked missus Bruce crab Up.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it's called Facebook messenger thing.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: Anyway. That is very swab of Johnny Boy there. Of course,
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: twenty year old Kelly was curious and she showed up.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: From there. The relationship grew. Johnny Boy spoiled her, but
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: there's always a price to pay. Kelly would have to
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: be available for Johnny whenever he wanted, and she would
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: have to do whatever he wanted when he wanted it.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: What's a creep heal factor?
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: At this time, Johnny Boy was living high with a
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: young beauty on his arm and an endless amount of money.
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: He was wheeling and dealing at casinos all around. He
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: liked to be noticed, and all that attention was not
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: lost on the FBI, so he began to follow him
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: and videotape them. Good, that silly FBI, that meddling FBI.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: He gotten away with it if it wasn't for your
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: meddlesome kids.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: Johnny was convinced that his car was bugged and made
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: sure those who were in the car with him were silent.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: His paranoia was ramped up when his mentor, John Gotti,
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: was arrested. When Johnny went to Kelly's apartment in October
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: of ninety two, he was panicking, saying the FBI had
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: him on tape and that he was leaving town. When
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: he left Kelly's apartment, he was never seen again. What
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: years this bell says, nineteen ninety two, We're in nineteen
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: ninety two. All right, so what happened to old Johnny boy?
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: At first, associates just thought he was hiding out from
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: the FBI. But after a year passes, people start to
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: think they smell a rat. See what I did there?
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Rat?
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Mahia eh eh ay ay ay?
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: When do I look like a clown to you?
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Hey?
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: With the boss out, someone needed to lead, and that
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: role went to Vinnie Ocean. Benny would now run the
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: de Calvicanti family. Benny would take his new position and
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: run with it, earning more and more money with all
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: the things that made money schemes. All was going great
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: for the family until one of the low level soldiers
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: got caught up in a scheme, and this led him
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: to commit the biggest mistake for a family member to
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: become a wreck. To save his own behind, he agreed
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: to wear a wire for the FBI. I just want
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: to go back to rule I think it was number eight,
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: where you always tell the truth.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, well you're also supposed to not know police.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: You know, Well that's true. Don't talk to them. I
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: suppose rules that out.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: They point out that that rule to him, and he's like,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: they want the police. They were the FBI? How was
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: I supposed to know the FBI was the police? Fair
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: point snitches get stitches correct?
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: Or sleeps with the fishes.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Or gets buried in ditches or gets buried in dishes?
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: Look at us creating a poem with all the epence
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: wiretap provided. In the fall of two thousand, the indictment
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: started flying. In all the FBI arrested nearly forty members,
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: including Johnny Boy's top three boss of any Ocean, Stefano
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: Beatable and Anthony Capo. Could Johnny Boy be the rat
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: that helped the FBI net the entire Deca Calcante family.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Woo or get horse heads in bed? Yes?
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: So with all of these men behind bars, the prosecutors
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: needed testimony. They needed them to squeal on each other.
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: But we all know that is not likely since that
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: goes against the code. Then again, I guess they made
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: him an offer he couldn't refuse. Oh, they made him
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: an offer he couldn't refuse.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: There you got gonna make you an offer you can't refuse.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: Perfect, nailed it, Thank you, beautiful hitman. Anthony Cappo would
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: sing like a canary telling all their secrets. Because of course,
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: he did, from murderers to schemes. He told them all
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: they ever wanted, as well as things they never knew.
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: He was only the first one. Most of the underlings
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: fell in line and all folded like a cheap Italian suit.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: To Minny's surprise, many ocean cave too. They just don't
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: make them how.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: They used to.
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: They just don't.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Nope, sure don't.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: Only old schooler Stefano and two soldiers stay true to
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: the oath. Of course, the brain Steffano was, the brains,
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: the wisdom.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: He knew it was a yeah.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: On April twenty first, two thousand and three, the trial
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: against the three remaining man men began. While they faced
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: charges ranging from loan sharking and racketeering to murder. It
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: was one murder in particular that would be a shock
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: in the court word. Of course, there were plenty of
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: murders that could be attributed to the Dicalviscante crime family,
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: and one had all ears listening. Former mob boss Johnny Diamotto.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: All all right, bom finish.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: It was childhood bestie hitman Anthony Capo. It told the
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: tale on the stand. Capo relays a story that had
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: many raising their eyebrows. Seems that mob men shared more
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: than just illegal cash scams. Like Kelly, it was Johnny
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: Boyce Sweetie was also dating another man other than Anthony Capo.
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: So Kelly's all and everybody's business.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Literally right.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: One night back in nineteen ninety one, Kelly told Anthony
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: that Johnny had a kink and that was sex, well,
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: sex in groups and with other women and other men.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: Seems that the couple literally visited after ours sex clubs
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: where they participated in some fun. However, one night, Kelly
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: lost Johnny in the club and when she went looking
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: for him, she got an eye fool. Johnny and his
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: new friend were, shall we say, playing the skin flute,
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: a bit of peter piping if you will, you know,
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: shades of Diddy, says nan Ar. I mean, yeah, history
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: repeats itself, doesn't Johnny.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Had a huge craving for the upside down pineapple pizza.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: That's true. Oh man, I never thought about upsided down
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: pineapple cake before. Hmm about that anyway, back to our story.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: Any who's Anthony testified on the stand with this, As
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: I say to before, one can simply not take out
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: a made man without permission from the Commission. As they talked,
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: Anthony Cappo and his crew decided that this was too
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: embarrassing to tell the commission that Johnny Boy was dipping
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: his toe in this other world, a world that the
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: macho mafia men would never prove of. They would keep
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: this under wraps as just a family affair, with Sigliere
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: Stefano signing off on the hit. Just like what he
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: did best, Anthony Capo would do the wet work, As
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: is typical for mob hits, Often those closest to the
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: hit are the ones that make the hit. Anthony would
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: testify that on that October day, he went to John's
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: house and picked him up under the guise of going
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: to Brooklyn to check on some business ceilings. As they arrived,
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: Anthony Cappo simply turns around and shoots Johnny Boy in
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: the head. Quote, nobody's going to respect us if we
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: have a gay, homosexual boss sitting down discussing the Coos
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: and Nostra business. The gunman, Anthony Cappo, testified at a
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: murder trial in two thousand and three, so just you know,
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: admitting all that. Up next to the stand is Vinnie Otian,
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: who confirmed the story that Anthony just unveiled confirming that
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: it was Stefano Vita Boles that ordered the murder of
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: Johnny Diamato. The jury began to deliberate in early two
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: thousand and three. On June fourth, the jury was back
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: with a verdict against Stefano, Feta Bole and his two soldiers.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: Stefano was convicted on the account of murder for the
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: death of Johnny Boy Diamatto. Stefano, along with his two
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: underlings were all sinced to life in prison. The three
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: of them remained true to the mafia code and sank
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: with the ship, never rotting out the others. The De
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: Cavalcante crew was down but not out, although the New
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: York families run many of the businesses previously run by
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: the family. In twenty fifteen, ten members of the crime
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: family were taken in by the FBI on charges of
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: charges of conspiracy to commit murder and distribution of drugs.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: This included the Captain Charles Beeps Stango and the consolierge
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: Frank Nigro. By the way, the name of Beeps Beep,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: that's your nickname you got from your mafia.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: It's probably because he was just a big dude. And
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: every time he walked backwards, they were just.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Like beep beepp.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: That's funny.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: In March twenty seventeen, Stango was sentenced to ten years
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: in federal prison for conspiracy to commit murder. The claim
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: is that Stango reportedly wanted to get permissioned from the
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: New Jersey hierarchy to kill Luigi ala Veri, but thankfully
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: for Luigi, the murder was not committed because Stango did
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: not get an answer.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Ah, looks like the facts didn't go through.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: Charles big Years Majuri is the current boss of the
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: family starting in twenty fifteen to the present day. Big
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: Years like, that's the best you can come up with.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, you certainly don't have to guess why he
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: was named that.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: No, right, it's not very creative.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Well, oh no, I just looked him up.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: You sure don't, all right, So some interesting footnotes for you.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: A big time mafia lawyer was a man by the
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: name of Roy Kohane who represented Don's Like Anthony Cellarino
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: and Carmene Galliante. He was quite a personality, to say
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: the least. He was at the head of a thing
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: called the Lavender Scare with Joseph McCarthy targeted government officials
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: and cultural figures not only for communist sympathies, but also
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: for alleged homosexuality. McCarthy and Cone were responsible for the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: firing of scores of gay men from government employment and
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: strong armed many opponents into silence using rumors of their homosexuality.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: So do you know who Cone was a mentor to. No,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: it's just history. This is not political somebody who is
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: running for president.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: Oh really, that's interesting, anxious true story.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: It's the Roy Cone school of business, which is admit
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: nothing and deny everything.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: Oh that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: That's Coon guy.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just sound very great. That's where it is.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: That's the that's a fact. Uh huh, yep.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: Well fun Another fun fact about Cohen. Oh he was
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: also gay, but kept that quiet convenient. There's a great
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: documentary called Bully Cowered Victim The Story of Roy Cohen,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: which I have not seen or heard of, but it
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: comes highly recommended from Cam from our True Crime podcast.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: Although you couldn't be gay and be in the Mob,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: the Mob operated gay bars and nightclubs, including the famous
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: and infamous Stone Wall. In the story of Johnny Boy
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: was featured in a Soprano's storyline character named Veto, who
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: was killed after two of his fellow gangsters saw him
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: at a gay bar. That was a very sad episode,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: by the way, I was very sad when the killed
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: off Veto. Spoilers, but it's been like twenty years, so
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: not my problem if you haven't watched it. And finally,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: it seems that even the mafia can evolve. The Mafia
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: have relaxed their rules to allow gay members, and one
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: of Italy's godfather's son is a drag queen called Lady Godiva,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: which is fantastic.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: Quote. Gays can be accepted now, even as foot soldiers,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: so long as they don't parade it in public. Prosecutor
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: gre Terry said, I mean, I guess, I mean, I
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: guess right. Johnny Boy's body has never been found, though,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: So that is the story of what'd you say?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: That's a good story. I mean, it's a bad story,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: but it's a good story.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: I thought you said something about Dawson's Creek.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Oh No, I said he was encased in concrete.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: Oh, in cased in concrete, not Dawson's Creek. Okay, I mean.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: Cat and said, let them parade. They do great parades.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: I agree, Oh man, well my case. Thanks to Lady
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: and Gray who did the research and writing again this week.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Like literally, A lifesaver is about Albert Anastasia.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: That's right, I said it. That's what that's that's what
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: he was. He was born umberto Albert Anastasio. He was
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: also known as the Earthquake, the One Man Army, mad Hatter,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: the Lord High Executioner, Enie Meani, Miney, Larry, Curly, and
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: Mo not the last ones. I think, Yeah, are you
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: son nicknames?
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Sorry, was around a while, So let's talk about him.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: If you don't know who this guy is, just imagine
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: if Tony Sobrano and the Grim Reaper had a baby.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: This man wasn't just in the mafia. He was like
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: the mafia. And I know what you're thinking, is this
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: one of those charming, well dressed gangsters we romanticize in movies?
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: No, no, and no.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: Albert Anastasia was the guy the other gangsters were afraid of.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: And that's when you know you've really made it. So
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: here's the thing. Albert was the head of something called
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: murder inc. Yes, they actually called it murder Incorporated. Like,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: who are they a startup? What's ser mission statement? Quote?
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Killing people efficiently and professionally since the nineteen thirties. That's
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: and you know it's bad when they're not even trying
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: to hide it. It's like they held a company wide
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: meeting and someone said, you know what, let's skip the
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: fake name. Just call it what it is, brutal honesty.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: Corporate America could learn something there.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: Why not.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: But let's go back to Albert. He wasn't just a hitman, no, no, no, no,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: this man was the hit man like. He took his
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: job seriously and he's probably the only guy who clocked
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: into work at the Mafia and said I love what
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: I do. He was for being ruthless, yet somehow people
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: kept giving him promotions. And in any other job, you
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: mess up once or twice, maybe you get a warning.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Then the mob you mess up, you get, well, you
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: get Albert. He was the HR department no one wanted
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: to meet. Ever, yes, that's true. Commission was a corporation.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Murder Ink was the subsidiary. Now his eventual downfall. So
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: the Commission was the corporation and then a subsidiary is
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: underneath the corporation. So the commission ran Murder Ink.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: Oh so this is like the same time.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: This is the same Yeah, yeah, there's some some doubling
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: up here. I'm gonna try and do some scripting gymastics. Okay,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: but yeah, so his eventual downfall is spectacular, but before
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: that he was living it up. I mean, this guy
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: had a barber chair at the park, shared in hotel.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: Because when you're the boss of Murder Ink, you need
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: a good haircut. Nothing says I'm about to do something
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: terrible like getting a clean f beforehand. I mean, sure,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: he's ordering hits left and right, but look at the
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: man's hairline. It's impeccable. So sit back and relax, and
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: let's talk about the chaotic, violent, and somewhat bizarre life
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: of Albert Anastasia, the man who treated murder like a
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: nine to five job with excellentental benefits.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: This is amazing. I don't think I've ever heard of
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: this guy.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: I had neither. So Albert Anastasia was born Umberto Anastasio
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: on September twenty sixth, nineteen oh two, and Pargellia Collabria, Italy.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Sorry if I murdered that His father was a railway
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: worker who died after World War One, leaving behind nine
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: children and probably a very anxiety ridden wife. Albert had
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: one sister and seven brothers, and it was always a
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: wish of his parents to have a baseball team or
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: at least two curling teams. With an alternative that last
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: part's not true. In nineteen nineteen, at age seventeen, Albert
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: with his brothers Joseph, Anthony and Gerardo illegally entered the
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: United States after they deserted a freighter they were working
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: aboard in New York City. They all began to work
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: as longshoremen or dock workers on the Brooklyn waterfront. Q
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: Marlon Brando godfather too. You know, if anything in life
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: is certain, if history has taught us anything, but you
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: can kill anyone or you know, yeah, his racket. Everybody's
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: got a racket. So let's talk just a little bit
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: about New York in the twenties, the place with the
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: epicenter of art, music, fashion, finance. Basically, if it was happening,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: it was happening in New York. Six million people all
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: packed into one city, buzzing around like a bunch of
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: caffeinated squirrels. Everyone's out there. They're thrilled to experience like
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: this magical cocktail of freedom and prosperity. Women's ten lines
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: were up like they were trying to escape a flood,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: and waistlines they dropped. Wastelines were like see you. Fashion
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: in the twenties was like old rules, nah rules, make
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: them up as we go. The whole art scene was
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: exploding like a pinata full of Picasso paintings. You had
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: a lot, there are so many bad jokes. Get ready.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: You had the Lost generation roaming the streets, young artists, writers, intellectuals,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: searching for inspiration, probably also for where they left their keys.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: F Scott Fitzgerald, Ernest Hemingway, these guys were out out
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: there writing the great American novel. Jazz was taking over
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: the city, straight out of New Orleans. And let me
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: tell you those clubs. They were the kind of places
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: where you could lose yourself for hours, or if you
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: weren't careful, literally lose yourself because nobody told you where
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: the exits were. It was a decade that screamed we're
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: gonna live forever, right before the economy leaned in and whispered,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: actually no, you're not. But New York, New York was
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: the heart of it all, leading the charge and making
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: sure everything was louder, faster, and just a little more ridiculous.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: And for that we salute you. Wearing twenties, the decade
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: where anything could happen until it didn't. So in March seventeenth,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: nineteen twenty one, Albert, at the age of nineteen, was
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: convicted of murdering a fellow doc worker, George Torino, after
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: a quarrel. He was sentenced to death and sent to
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: sing Sing State Prison in Austining, New York.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: That's not a good place.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: That's a nut only no. Ap Amy says that herb
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be fact checking this. Well, I think lady
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: Ingrade did her work. So due to a technic, yeah right,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: due to a technicality, I think it's Anastasia. I don't
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: think it's Anastasia. I think it's Anastasia. Won a retrial
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: in nineteen twenty two. By this time, four of the
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: original prosecution witnesses had disappeared, and Albert was released. Right
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: Albert was released from custody. The reason for this technicality
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: could not be found.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: Well, I think we all know mm hmm.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: So. On June twenty third, nineteen twenty three, Albert was
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: convicted legal possession of a firearm and sentenced two years
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: in prison. In twenty eight he was charged with murder
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: in Brooklyn, but again the witnesses either disappeared or refused
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: to testify in court. It's like a movie or The Wire,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: or Sopranos or The Departed, or really anything. It's a trope,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: you know, many in many movies. It's like, I don't know,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: anybody just disappeared. Who knows. He went to the casino
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: and lost his way. He couldn't find the exit. It
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: was during the early twenties that Albert legally changed his
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: name from Anastasio to the Mask, which was the masculine
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: form of the name, to Anastasia, which is an interesting
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: choice in twenties New York. To be honest, I'm not
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: quite sure specific reason, other than to just be deceptive.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: In nineteen thirty seven, Albert married Elsa BARGNII Bargnese, and
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: they had two sons, Umberto and Richard, and two daughters,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: Joyanna and Gloriana, which the most Italian name ever except
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: for Richard, which I just assume it was because he
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: was a little dick. Yeah, so he soon he soon
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: became a top leader of the International Longshoreman's Association, which,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: by the way, if you're paying attention to any kind
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: of news, that's the group that's striking right now. The ILA. So,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: the International long Shoreman's Association was officially established in eighteen
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: ninety two, although its roots trace back to earlier efforts
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: to organize waterfront laborers in the late nineteenth century. The
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: ILA represents dockworkers, longshoremen, and other maritime workers primarily on
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: the East Coast, Gulf Coast, Great Lakes, Puerto Puerto Rico,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: and parts of Canada. They focused on safety, collective bargaining,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: safe shifts to modernization, as well as progressive environmental initiatives.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: At this point, now by wait was which his last
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: oh Anastasia was his last name. He still went by Albert,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: so by the late twenties he controlled six local chapters
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: of labor unions in Brooklyn. He allied himself with Giuseppe
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Joe the Boss Mazaria, a powerful Sicilian born mafia leader
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: in Brooklyn. He is important to Albert's future, as we'll
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: see later. He was also close associates of Joe Adonnas,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Charles Lucky, Luciano, Vito Genevies VC and Frank Costello all
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: future Cosinostra bosses. Remember these names. They all play an
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: important role in Albert's criminal activities. And now, for those
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: playing the home game, Frank Costello was who Jack Nicholson's
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: character was named after in the Department. Yes, yeah, you know.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be a product in my environment.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: I want my environment to be a product of me.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm watching this as soon as we're done.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it's on, but I'm gonna find.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: It all the things. La cosa nostra is Italian for
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: this thing of ours or simply our thing. It translates
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: to r and cosa means family or clan in the US.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: The term was first used publicly by Italian American mafio
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: so Joseph Vallacci in nineteen sixty three during the Volacci hearings,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: and later the term became popular in Italy in the
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: mid nineteen eighties after Italian mobster Toamaso Bouchetta revealed the
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: name to a judge and magistrate. It is also known
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: simply as the mafia so we talked a little bit
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: about the mafia. It originated in Sicily and dates back
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: to the mid nineteenth century, an association of gangs that
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: sold protection services under basically a big brand. The mafia's
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: core activities racketeering, arbitration between criminals, organizing and overseeing illegal
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: agreements and transactions. Honestly, doesn't sound much different than some
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: of the things going on now in various sectors. So
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: each clan or family claimed sovereignty over specific territory such
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: as a town, village, or in a larger city and neighborhood,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: and the members call themselves men of honor, but the
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: public called them mafioso, which is a rough translation of
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: swagger or bravado. So they got that swagger and the
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: moves like Mick Jagger.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: Yes, I was just thinking the same thing. That's funny.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: Should really scare you that we both thought the same
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: It does, But.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: I've been drinking, so it's fine, it makes sense.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: Oh perfect, perfect, My by sober thoughts are your drunk ones. So,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: with wide scaled immigration from Sicily in the early twentieth century,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: those organizations soon spread to gangs in Australia, UK, Canada,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: South America and of course the United States. I hold on,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: I don't like Marine five. It's not that I don't
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: like it has nothing to do with Marine five. It's
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: just quite confusing. Why anybody would write a song and
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: brag about having moves like Mick Jagger. Have you ever
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: seen the man on stage? I like, Well, listen, it's
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: like watching a giraffe ice skate.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: I five. It's fine, Come at me, I don't care.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: I love Adam Levine, but.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: As long as he doesn't open his mouth fair. Ever
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: since I started True Crime, honestly, I've always wanted to
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: get a musical reference in a script. So here it is.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Thanks Lady and Gray Albert and the many many of
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: the mafia were boosted the leadership positions in various ways.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: In other words, the folks atop the ladder are the
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: ones the world of doors. So boost me up my ladder, kid,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: and I'll boost you of yours. Oh wow, does anybody
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: know where it came from?
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: A Chicago matron, Mama Morgan, I don't want okay fine.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: In early nineteen thirty one, that Estella Maurice war broke
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: out between previously mentioned Masoia and Salvator Marenzano. Lucky Luciano
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: made a secret deal with Marenzano, agreeing to murder Masaia
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: in exchange for this Lucky Luciano made a secret deal
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: with Marenzano, agreeing to murder Masaria in exchange for Masaia's
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: rackets and becoming Maronzano's second in command.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: Wasn't that lucky guy in my story?
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: I think he was sure was because he was part
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: of the commission. Yeah, ok, yeah, So on April fifteenth,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: nineteen thirty one, Luciano lured Masaia to a meeting at
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: the Nuova Villa Tomorrow restaurant on Coney Island. As they
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: were playing cards, Luciano allegedly excused himself to the bathroom.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Albert and other gunmen, reportedly Adonnis Genevise and Benjamin Bugsy
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: Siegel had to shove him out of the driver's seat.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: It appears that the Artichoke King in fact choked.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: Sorry, that's probably an appropriate labup, but that's hilarious.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: Also, what does one have to do to get that
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: nickname choking? I know, Ray, some reports say it was, Yeah,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: that's true, That's very true. Listen, you know all the
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: all the wives were like, will you stop comparing your nicknames,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: just measure it already. So some reports say it was
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: Costello rather than Adonis, who was an accomplice, and many
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: historians many historians dispute the convenience of four of the
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: most well known American mobsters in history being involved in
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: the Massia murder. By all accounts, however, it was Albert
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: Anastasia as the shooter, along with three accomplices. No arrests
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: were ever made in that case.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: In nineteen thirty two, Albert was indicted on charges of
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: murdering another man with an ice pick. Yes, but the
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: case was dropped due to what a lack of.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: Okay, look at that, I wonder what happened.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: I know, what a surprising turn of events, but not
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: really and at this point it's kind of predictable. The
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: following year, he was charged with killing a man who
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: worked in a laundromat, but once again, no witnesses tell
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: willing to testify. That's the issue. See, other than it
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: being a murder of one person, it's not just one
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: person dead. It's tying up loose ends. And so Luciano
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: rewarded Albert's loyalty by placing him as well as Lewis
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: Lepke Bu Caulter Bu Caulter Uh, the leading labor racketeer
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: in the country at the time, in control of the
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: National Crime Syndicates Enforcement Team, also known as a murdering
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: What it sounds okay, like a totally normal, legal, wholly
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: owned subsidiary of any national corporation. I just want to know,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: do you think they had merch?
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: I bet they would. Now if they existed today, they'd
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: have a whole line.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised me at this point they'd have enough podcast.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: These men, these men, known as the Brownsville Boys, were
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: a group of Jewish and Italian contract killers that operated
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: out of the back room of Midnight Roses, which was
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: what if I said Midnight Roses, your thought is what
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: is it? What is it? No? It was a candy store, but.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: The candy store Candytore owned.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: By Monster Louis Capone, no relation to al Uh. Lady
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: and Gray check that out, okay? And then she was
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: also modest enough to write originally I checked. I did
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: not check, lady, and grade did credit where credits due?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: My dear in the Brownsville neighborhood of Brooklyn. That's where
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: that was located. During its ten years of operation, it
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: is estimated that the employees of Murders Murders, Inc. Committed
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: thousands of murders. Many problems. Yeah yeah, many of these
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: were never solved. During this time, Albert received his nicknames
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: the Mad Hatter and the Lord High Executioner. You know
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: he's got a big lag energy.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, Lord High Executioner, I get it.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: It was like what So in nineteen thirty one, the Commission,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: also known as the Five Families in New York City
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: was established by Luciano to oversee all mafia matters following
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: Marensano's murder, which most believe Luciano had ordered because he
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: believed Marenzano had ordered the hit on him. So you know,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: anything you can do, I can do better. I can
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: do anything better than you. Sah second musical. Anyways, as
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: you remember, Luciano had ordered the murder of Massaria at
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: the behest of Marenzano and took control of the Massaria family,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: and now he turned on Marenzano. There really is no
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: honor among thieves, murderers, racket You know what, no honor
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: loyalty amongst them is about as real as a gluten
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: free croissant. Thieves trusting each other it was like using
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: a colander to carry soup. It's like asking a cat
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: to guard the fish bowl. You're just gonna be disappointed.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: Thieves sharing honor is like a toddler sharing candy. It's
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: not happening unless somebody is watching. Rather than name himself
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: the boss of bosses, as Marenzano had done, Luciano created
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: the Commission to give each of the five families equals
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: say in business matters, ah democracy with a gun to
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: the head, so more of a demock crazy can relate.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: You didn't really in nineteen thirty That is so sad
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: that you can. In nineteen thirty five, the Commission ordered
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: Dutch Schultz to drop his plans to murder Special Prosecutor
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: Thomas E. Dewey, afraid of the law enforcement crackdown that
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: would surely follow. This had ranged Schultz, who refused, right,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: who refused and walked out of the meeting. So Schultz
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: said no, and he walked out of the meeting. Albert
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: approached Luciano and told him that Schultz had asked him
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: to stake out Dewey's apartment building on Fifth Avenue.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: Upon hearing this news, the Commission held a discreete meeting
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: to discuss the matter, and after six hours of deliberation, wow,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: the Commission ordered the calter to kill Schultz. On October
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: twenty third, nineteen thirty five, Before he could kill Dewey,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: Schultz was gotten a tavern in Newark, New Jersey, and
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: died the following day.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: Yike, buddy, They they call.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: It loose ends. And I mentioned this before, but maybe
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: it's the first time it's loose ends. But then it's
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: really loose freight ends. You cut the rope and they
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: turned into five freight loose ends, and then it's like exponential,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: So.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: On June seven, thirty six, Luciano was convicted on sixty
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: two counts of forced prostitution, also known as sex slavery. Yeah,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: it appears Lucky's luck ran out. The trial was prosecuted
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: by Dewey's office, with Eunice Carter as an assistant. Eighty A.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: Now you save the guy's life.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: Right, So what's interesting here is Unics Carter was quite
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: the attorney. Not only was she a woman, she was
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: one of the first African American women lawyers in the
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: state of New York and one of the first African
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: American men or women prosecutors in the US.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: In nineteenth thirty six. You guys, nineteen thirty six, that's amazing.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: She was convinced that Luciano was involved in prostitution and
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: built a massive prostitution racketeering case. She turned it over
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: to Dewey and convinced him to try the case himself.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: One Luciano historian said it was the first case of
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: a major player and organized crime that resulted in a
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: conviction for something other than income tax evation, which we
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: all know is their downfall. Every time Luciano served ye
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: every time, he served ten years and then was deported
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: to Italy. After his death, however, his remains oh so sad,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: but he was returned to New York State for burial.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: In addition, Dewey would capitalize on the publicity generated by
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: the historic, well publicized trial. To be honest, Dewey sounds
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: a bit like Harvey Dent. He's not really listed as
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: the inspiration for Harvey Dent, but it for sure sounds
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: a lot like him, like a lot right. So, after
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: Luciano was imprisoned. Genevies became the acting boss of the family,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: but he fled to Italy in thirty seven after being
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: I did on a nineteen thirty four murder Costello. Frank
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: Costello now became the acting boss of the Luciana family.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: In May of thirty nine, Albert allegedly ordered the murder
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: of Morris Diamond, a Teamster's Union official in Brooklyn who
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: opposed buck Buck bu Culter's attempt to keep control of
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: the garment district in Manhattan. As we know, bue Culter
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: was the leading labor wreckteer in the country at the time.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: In the summer of thirty nine, Albert allegedly organized the
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: murder of Peter Panto, who I suppose didn't really want
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: to grow up.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: Peter Fanto, that's his still name.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: I yeah, uh. He was an intention International Longshoreman's Association
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: activist who had been leading a movement for democratic reforms
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: in the union's local chapters. It appears he chose poorly
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: when he refused to be intimidated by ILA officials. On
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: July fourteenth, thirty nine, Peter Panto disappeared, was given the
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: captain hook, was shown how to fly and his body.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: He was later recovered on a farm in New Jersey.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: I was trying to think of a Captain Hook joke
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: when he said he was the International Long Showman's Association.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, no, stop it, stop it.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: Yep, Peter, he knew I couldn't let that go. So
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: in nineteen forty one, Abe Relees, a gang leader from Brownsville, Brooklyn,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: who had been supplying Albert and Murder Inc. With hitmen
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: for a decade. We know about the Brownsville Boys right,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: was arrested by law enforcement. This arrest effectively ended Murder Inc.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: Reiles decided to testify for the government to save himself
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: from the death penalty, leading to the conviction of seven
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: members of Murder Inc. I also had information that could
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: implicate Albert in the Diamond and Panto murders. Fearing prosecution,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: Albert offered a one hundred thousand dollars reward for his murder,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: and that reward today is worth two point one million dollars. Wow.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a whole lot of money.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's a whole lot of cheedda. That's not good, okay.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: So on November twelfth, nineteen forty one, he Railays was
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: found dead on a restaurant roof outside of the Half
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: Moon Hotel in Coney Island, where he was being guarded
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: in a sixth floor room during an ongoing trial in
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: nineteen fifty one. Yeah, a grand jury rule that Ralays
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: accidentally died while climbing down to the fifth floor using
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: sheets tied to a heating radiator. But many officials were
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: convinced that he'd been murdered. Why would they think of that?
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: So they couldn't prove it, or they wouldn't prove it
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: the does that makes sense? Yeah? In the spring of
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: he fell down the stairs in the spring. In the
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: spring of nineteen forty two, Albert allegedly ordered the murder
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: of Anthony Romeo, an associate who had been arrested and
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: questioned in the Panto killing. In just a few months,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: at the end of June, Romeo's body was discovered near Giancourt, Delaware.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: He'd been beaten and shot multiple times. Geez. Yeah. So.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: During World War Two, Albert schemed to win a pardon
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: for the imprisoned Luciano by helping in the US war effort.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: The US needed allies in Sicily to advance the invasion
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: of Italy, and the US Navy wanted to dedicate its
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: resources to the war overseas and not on the security
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: of the coasts and ports. Albert arranged a deal to
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: obtain lighter treatment and an eventual pardon for Luciano in
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: exchange for the mafia's protection of the waterfront and Luciano's
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: help with his Sicilian associates. So I read that as
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: we got in bed with the mafia. Yeah, and apparently Kelly,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: because Kelly was really popular. I don't know, and Kelly.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: All back.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: Right. In forty two, Albert joined the US Army, most
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: likely in an effort to escape the criminal investigations that
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: were bringing down murder inc honestly, probably should have just
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: run for election instead less being shot at. Maybe. He
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: reached the rank of technical sergeant, and he trained soldiers
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: to be longshoremen at Fort Indiantown Gap, Pennsylvania. In nineteen
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: forty three, as a reward for his military service, he
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: received US citizenship. He received an honorable discharge a year later,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: moved his family to a mansion in Fort Lee, New Jersey,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: across the Hudson River from New York City. In Yeah,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: In nineteen forty five, and i'll kind of I'll talk
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: a little bit about the mansion at the end. It's
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: got a cool story. Unfortunately it's no longer there. But
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: in nineteen forty five, US military authorities in Sicily returned
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: Genevese to the US to be tried for the nineteen
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: thirty four murder of Ferdinand Boccia. However, all charges were
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: dropped against Genevieve when all of the main prosecution witnesses
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: had died. And in the words of well Aladdin's Iago,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: there's a big surprise. I think I'm gonna have a
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: hot attack and die from that surprise. I can't. I can't.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: I can't do I can't do that character. I wish
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: I could. I don't want to wake up the whole house.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: In nineteen forty six, New York Governor Thomas E. Dewey,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: Remember Dewey, Yeah, that's right, he's the governor now commuted
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: Luciano's sentence. Yeah, and the federal government at once deported
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: him to Italy. Do We also ended the jail terms
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: of six other convicts, and they were all deported as well.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: Better out than in, I suppose, Like the morning after
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: a few regrettable decisions. In nineteen forty eight, Albert bought
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: a dressmaking factor in Hazleton, Pennsylvania, and left his waterfront
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: activities in control of his brother Anthony. In nineteen forty eight,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: the US Senate summoned Albert to answer questions about organized
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: crime at the at the Caffalv hearings. What were the
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: Caafalver hearings? So in the years following World War Two,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: organized crime had gained sigignificant power in the US. Maybe
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: it's because they used them to protect the ports, particularly
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: in cities like New York, Chicago, and Las Vegas. There
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: were Las Vegas, there were concerns that is not in
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: the script. I had an impulse and regret going through it.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: There were concerns about corruption within law enforcement and politics,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: as well as the criminal involvement in interstate commerce. Don't say.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: One of the most significant aspects of the Cavalver hearings
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: was that they were among the first congressional hearings to
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: be nationally televised. Over thirty million Americans tuned in to
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: watch those hearings, which captivated the public. Yeah, and it
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: brought the issue of organized crime into the national spotlight.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: And we're not talking about Oh is it out keith
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: fov ke, oh hold on lady and lady and Gray
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: gave me the pronuncie key fallow for keep offer, keep
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: offfer keif offfer you know what, hook it on pahonics
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: work it for me. So the hearings famously featured testimonies
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: from a number of high profile criminals and mobsters like
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: Frank Costello, Meyer Lansky, Tony Accardo. Some refused to answer
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: questions and invoking the Fifth Amendment, while others provided evasive
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: or incriminating statements. Albert didn't answer a single question and
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: was one of those people who invoked the fifth. After all,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: his concern with rats would be rendered moot if he
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: was a rat himself. The hearings also revealed extensive corruption
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: within law enforcement, exposing connections between politicians, police officers, organized
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: crime figures. It highlighted how local law enforcement no nothing has, not,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: not one thing. Local law enforcement in many areas had
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: been compromised by bribery or intimidation. It's just easier to
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: hide now, which is funny considering the massive spotlight with
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: social media and everything. Yeah, so, despite being a mob
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: power in his own right, Albert was nominally the underboss
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: of the Manjano family, reporting to Boss Vincent Menjano. According
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: to during his twenty year rule as boss, Manjano had
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: resented Albert's close ties to both Luciano and Costello, particularly
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: the fact that they often obtained Albert's services without first
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: receiving Manjana's permission, which you just don't do. This and
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: other business disputes led to heated arguments that often led
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: to near physical altercations between Manjano and Albert. On April nineteenth,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: nineteen fifty one, Menjano went missing and his body was
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: never found. The same day, the body of Manjano's brother
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: Philip was discovered in Jamaica Bay, which is in the
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: Bergen Beach sect of Brooklyn. No one was ever arrested
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: in those murders, but it was widely I thought that
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: Albert had been killed.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: What's his body count at this point? This is wild, honestly,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, we got more martyrs, so it's fine, we
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: can come out at the end.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: But oh we do for sure? Did uh lady and Gray,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: did you ever find like a total on his uh,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: his stuff? You drop it in the jail a lot. Yeah,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: So Albert who is now the acting boss of the
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: Manjano family, then met with the Commission, claiming that the
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: brothers wanted to kill him, but he did not admit
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: to killing them. With Costello's prodding, the Commission confirmed Albert's
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: ascension as the boss of the now renamed Anastasia family.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: Costello wanted Albert's confirmation as boss because he wanted Albert
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: as an act against the ambitious and resentful Genevise Joseph Bonano,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: who also supported Albert, but his interest was simply to
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: avoid a gang roar. So it was just like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: you're the head of that. Sure, whatever you want advice.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: There's so much drama for a bunch of mafia dudes.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: Just drama all the time, soap opera run on testosterone.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: In March of nineteen fifty two, Albert allegedly ordered the
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: murder of Arnold Schuster, a New York Man who successfully
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: identified a fugitive bank Robert Willie Sutton, resulting in Sutton's arrest. Now,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: when Albert saw Schuster in a television interview, he allegedly said, quote,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: I can't stand squealless. Hit that guy. On March eighth,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: nineteen fifty two, a shooter shot Schuster to death on
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: a street in Borough Park, Brooklyn. In sixty three, government
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: witness Joseph Faalacci accused Albert of ordering the murder, but
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: many people in law enforcement were scared of the claim.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: Once again, no one was ever arrested in the Schuster murder.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: Even with a witness, he still wasn't convinced or still
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: wasn't convicted. So on December ninth, nineteen fifty two, the
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: federal government filed suit to denaturalize Albert and deport him
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: because he lied on his citizenship application. It appears he
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: lied on his original registry paperwork when he didn't list
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: misdemeanor traffic tickets. Technicalities didn't always seem to be an
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: Albert's favor this case. So we're going to talk about
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: the beginning of the fall of Albert with a conspiracy
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: against him. He's fresh out of boosts. So Genevieves wanted
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: to take back control of the Lucy on a Family
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: from Costello. But he had a problem because Albert and Costello,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: you know, like a Abbot and Costello, but with more bullets,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: it is Albert and Castello. But I was just like wow, oh, whoa, whoa.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: Per the FBI, he murdered at least twelve hundred and
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: ordered over.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: Ten what I believe it? Wow, holy shit.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: I mean it's a long time, right he was, he
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: was active for a long time, but jeez. So yeah,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: Albert and Costello, uh so in order which what a coo?
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: Uh so?
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: I almost wonder if that was kind of like never
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: mind so or to seize control of Luciana family, which
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: was under a sorry which was under the control of Costello.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: He knew he would have to kill Costello. In an
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: attempt to do this without eliminating Albert, Genevieve began to
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: seek out allies. He used Albert's own brutal behavior against him.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: In an effort to win supporters. Genevieve began to portray
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: Albert as an unstable killer whose actions would bring about
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: unwanted law enforcement pressure on the entire coast of Nostra.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: Geneviez pointed out that in addition to Albert's reckless behavior,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: Albert had also been selling memberships to his crime fan
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: family for fifty thousand dollars, which was a violation of
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: commission rules. As we know from your case, right, Yeah, well, yeah,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: and it angered many high ranking mobsters. Lady and Gray
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: said he was only ever charged for three of those,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: which kind of reminding me of h. Holmes, he was
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: only ever charged for one. So, according to Volacci, Albert
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: had been losing large amounts of money betting on horse races,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: which only made him even more surly and unpredictable, hence
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: probably the fifty grand pre membership. So for the next
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: several years, Geneviez quietly gathered the support of Albert's capo regime,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: Carlo Gambino, offering him leadership of Thestasia family in return
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: for his help. The capo regime is like the family
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: leader who reports the don or the head boss. Genevieve
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: also quarted the favor of Luciano's friend Meyer Lanski, who
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: was growing increasingly angry with Albert for muscling in on
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: his Cuba casino operations. In addition, Geneviez began to plant
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: seeds of out with Costello by claiming Albert was planning
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: to move against him. On May twenty third, nineteen fifty five,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: hourt pled guilty to tax evasion because of course, for
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: under reporting income during the late nineteen forties. I don't
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: know what it is with these guys. Taxes they can
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: afford a decent tax person.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: To hide get them every time, every time.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: So on June third, nineteen fifty five, Albert was sentenced
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: to one year in federal prison and a twenty thousand
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: dollars fine. After his conviction, the federal government succeeded in
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: a petition to revoke Albert's citizenship so he could be deported,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: but on September nineteenth, nineteen fifty five, a higher court
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: reversed this ruling. Interesting Genevie, Yeah, Genevie's decided to move
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: on Costello in early fifty seven. On May second, nineteen
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: fifty seven, hired gunman Vincent the Chin Gigante.
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  Speaker 4: It's last name Shagante.
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  Speaker 2: Who, yeah, who shot and wounded Costello outside of his
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: apartment building.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what?
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: Vincent the Chin's problem was a glass jaw, although the
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: scalp wound was superficial. I'm just kidding. I don't get it.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: His chin class job. It was good. I really had
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: to think about that joke, and I really shouldn't have
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: thought about it, and I should have just said something.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: ARM should have left that out of his name. Sorry, no,
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  Speaker 2: you're mine.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: Although although the.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: Scalp wound was superficial, Costello chose to relinquish power to
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: Genevieve and retire. He was like, nope, I'm pugging out
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: of it. Man, you got it, it's yours.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: I'm mad at here.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: I'd get it here now. Genevi's finally controlled the former
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: Luciano family, now known as the genez crime family. Banano, ever,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: the Peacemaker, later credited himself with arranging a sit down
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: where he kept Albert from taking Genevieve to war. In response,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: of course you did. It was a perfect deal. It
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: was a great broken deal. Later in nineteen fifty seven,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: on June seventeenth, Frank's release, Albert's underboss and the man
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: said to be directly responsible for the selling of Gambino memberships,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: was murdered. Valacci said that Albert approved the hit, as
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: well as the later murder of Frank's brother Joseph, for
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: threatening retaliation. Meanwhile, Genoviz wanted not just to control the family,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: but also to control the Commission, so he continued pushing
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: his narrative that Albert was increasingly more angry, unreliable, and
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: very unsteady or unstable. He spread the word that Albert
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: had hired Gigante to shoot and miss Costello. Costello believed
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: this ruse and gave his approval for Genevese to make
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: a move against Albert.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: Ooh.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: Interesting.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: In the end, it was Albert's routine that led to
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: his downfall. As is well known for true crime followers,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: stalkers and would be assassin, would be assassin of that
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: sentence was a mess, As is well known to you all,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: stalkers and would be assassins love routines. On October twenty first,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: nineteen fifty seven, after being driven from his home in
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: Fort Lee to Manhattan, Albert entered the barber shop of
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: the Park Sheridan Hotel at fifty sixth Street and Seventh
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: Avenue in Midtown. Albert received the exact same services at
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: the exact same time every other day for years of
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: this establishment. He was attended to by his longtime barber,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: a manicurist, and a shoeshine boy. His driver bodyguard left
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: him unprotected for a few minutes while he ran an
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: errand hmmm, interesting, I guess he had to see a
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: guy about a horse gofiny Oh At ten fifteen am.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: As Albert relaxed in the barber's chair, two masked gunmen
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: quietly entered the shop. They both threw thirty eight pistols
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: and waved the men and boys away, causing Albert to
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: open his eyes. He defensively raised his hand towards the
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: men as they opened fire. It's reported after the first
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: folly of bullets that Albert rushed the men, but he
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: was shot in the hand, wrist, and hip, which spun
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: him a He was then shot in the back, causing
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: him to fall onto the floor at the base of
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: the barber chairs. One of the men walked over and
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: shot a final fatal round into his head. The shooters
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: then left as quickly as they had arrived. No one
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: was ever charged for that murder, but speculation centered on
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: Joe Gallo and his brother, both of the patriarcha crime
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: family of Providence, Rhode Island. What's really funny as I
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: read that, and I was like my roommate freshman and
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: sophomore year, oh wait, no, all four years. His name
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: was Jeff Gallo, and he was part of the Gallo family,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: and they lived in kingspoc Long Island, and so I
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: don't know if there's a connection there, but if there's
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: a connection there, it's interesting. Anyways, it is thought that
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: hit was ordered by Genevis and Gambino. At one point,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: Gallo had boasted to an associate quote, you can just
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: call the five of us the barbershop Quinte. Genevieve was
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: also known to have married to have strong ties to
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: uh the patriarchal boss Raymond Els patriarcha. According to The
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: New York Times journalist and Five Families author Selwyn rob Quote,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: the vivid image of a helpless victim swathed in white
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: towels was stamped in the public memory. Albert funeral services
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: were held at a Brooklyn funeral home, as the Diocese
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: of Brooklyn had refused to sanction the church burial. He
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: was interred in Greenwood City.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, you know, at that point, it was just
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: like step out a line. We ain't pair any un
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: army Like.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: Nope, sorry, sorry about that.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: We're in your pocket. But no, no, you're not in
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: a cemetery.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: Really, what it was was you too, you were too
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: dumb and you got shot. You got caught. Therefore you're
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: not in a cemetery, you know, that it's not an
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: f so he was. He was interred in Greenwood Cemetery
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: in Greenwood Heights, Brooklyn. Only a handful of friends and
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: relatives attended. The grave is marked Anastasio. The fall ollowing year,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: his family actually left. They like packed and got the
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: fuck out and immigrated to Canada and changed the family
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: name to Anisio. Wow. Yeah, so so in terms of
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: some of the some of the trivia, you know, some
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: of the extra stuff. Albert's home, the mansion I was
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: talking about earlier, was a twenty five room, six five
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: and twenty nine square foot hilltop mansion in Fort Lee,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: New Jersey. What you gotta have a place to hide
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: the bodies. I don't know how did he afford that?
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: Not from the army, that's for sure.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: No World War two?
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: No, yeah no. So he and his family lived there
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: from nineteen forty seven until his murder in nineteen fifty eight.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: Less than a year after his death, comedian Buddy Hackett
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: and his wife bought the mansion, which I love that
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: so much of because if anybody is unaware of Buddy Hackett,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: Buddy Hackett had the best faces in film. He was
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: a fantastic comedian and he was in The Love Bug.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: He was like the the car mechanic. The Yeah, just
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: really funny. He has a great voice, Buddy Hackett. So
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: he bought it and then they renovated it and they
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: lived in it for most of nineteen sixties. In December
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: of two thousand and seven, yeah, Shapoopy, Shapoopy. In December
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: of twenty seventeen, the mansion sold for six point nine
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: million dollars and then was sold in twenty eighteen for
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: three point six million dollars. I don't know what happened there,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: but here we are. The house was demolished in March
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen. The lamb right, that's why. That's what
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: I said. Why I mean, other than the fact that
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: it's so big, it's probably unpurchasable in general, but whatever.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: But it has a fantastic view of NYC from New
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: Jersey and it's listed on Zillo. In addition, actor and
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: former hevyweight boxer Jack O'Halleran claims to be Albert's illegitimate son.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: After the murders, the barber chairs at the Park Sheridan
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: Hotel were repositioned away from the mirror. The Anastasia chair
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: was later auctioned off for seven thousand dollars. In February
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: of twenty twelve, the chair became an exhibit in the
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: Mob Museum in Las Vegas. I just imagine Albert, just
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: like up or down wherever, looking at this auction, going,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: I'm worth way more than that, Like that's my little toe.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: In terms of movies, John Johnny Friendly, played by Lee J.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: Cobb in nineteen fifty Fours on the Waterfront, was partially
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: based on Albert. The nineteen fifty nine film Inside the
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: Mafia opens with the scene of Albert's murder. He's portrayed
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: by Fausto Tozzi, in the nineteen seventy two film The
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: Vlachi Papers, He's portrayed by Gianny Russo, in the nineteen
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: seventy five film LEPK starring Tony Curtis, and he's portrayed
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: by Gary Pastori, and in the twenty nineteen movies The
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: Irishman and Mob Town, Oh, cap'n Saw It, Captain Saw
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: the Mafia exhibit in Little Italy's Cool, That is Cool Cool.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: In terms of television, mash actually makes a reference to
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: his death, which is really funny because the Korean War
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: had already been over for four years when he was killed. Hawkeye.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: Hawkeye Alan Alda sarcastically refers to a sleeping soldier as
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: quote Albert Anastasia's dorman. So I think that's what Lady
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: and Gray like put as a comment, as in, I'm
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: gonna start using this now, like that's fine now. In
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: the TV series The West Wing, Jules Ziggler, the estranged
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: father of White House communications director Toby Ziegler, is It's
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: a Toby at the White House. Following a query from
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: the Justice Department, Toby asked his father, a former member,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: of murdering when albert Astasia was killed. Jules answers October
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: nin