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RHOC: Fancy Flops? · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: It's not whether or not Heather Debro as a human
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  Speaker 1: being is a flop. The question is was Heather Debro's
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  Speaker 1: return right to this current season of the Real Housewives
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  Speaker 1: of Orange County a flop. Stay tuned, we'll get into
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  Speaker 1: my conversation right after these quick ads. Welcome to Reality
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  Speaker 1: with the King. It's me Carlos King, the King of
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  Speaker 1: Reality TV and one of the most sought after executive
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  Speaker 1: producers in reality television. With over ten years a production experience.
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  Speaker 1: I'm executive produced top rated programs such as eight seasons
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  Speaker 1: of the Real Housewives of Atlanta. Additionally, I have created
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  Speaker 1: shows such as Netflix's Styling Hollywood Owns, number one rated
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  Speaker 1: Love and Marriage Franchise, and TV one's Hollywood Divas, just
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  Speaker 1: to name a few. Twice a week on Reality with
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  Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the
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  Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable
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  Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. So
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  Speaker 1: today's episode is going to be a doozy because we
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  Speaker 1: are going to talk about a very interesting topic that
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  Speaker 1: you guys have asked me on Twitter. And one thing
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  Speaker 1: about me, you know that I'm all about answering questions
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  Speaker 1: that you ask me within reason that I feel like
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  Speaker 1: my listeners would want to get my point of view on.
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  Speaker 1: But I could not do this by myself. So we're
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  Speaker 1: joined by my favorite guests so far.
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  Speaker 2: Stop us.
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  Speaker 1: She is the executive producer at Morsauce. She just so
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  Speaker 1: happens to be the executive producer of Reality with the King, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: my podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, girl, we're talking.
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  Speaker 1: About Jasmine Henley Brown that Hey Das Holls.
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  Speaker 2: Ago in Carlos.
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  Speaker 4: I like, it's so fun talking to you behind the
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  Speaker 4: scenes and everything. But I am so excited to get
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  Speaker 4: into this today.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, now listen, Me and Jazz have the key key.
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  Speaker 1: So if you have been a listener of the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: you would know that. In my introduction, I said to
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  Speaker 1: you that I've been approached to do a podcast for
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  Speaker 1: so many years and the reason why I decided to
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  Speaker 1: say yes to the mess honey, Yes, it's because when
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  Speaker 1: I met Jazzmin, it was like, this is my homegirl
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  Speaker 1: since middle school and not middle school.
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  Speaker 2: We have an age difference.
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  Speaker 3: You see what I love, Moddy, You see why I
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  Speaker 3: stand because she is shady booze.
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  Speaker 1: Now look, honey, we may have a different age difference,
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  Speaker 1: but the black on our face and cracking.
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  Speaker 4: So listen, just saying an age difference, and I'm much younger.
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  Speaker 4: I'm twenty three years old, so you know, getting a
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  Speaker 4: little gen z up in here.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, no, honey, I'm the grand Dome of reality TV.
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  Speaker 1: So but no, I could not find a more perfect
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  Speaker 1: person to have this conversation with. So today's topic is,
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  Speaker 1: was Heather Debro's return on the Real Housewives of.
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  Speaker 3: Orange County a flop? So?
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  Speaker 1: Look, before Jazz and I answer that question, I want
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  Speaker 1: to preface it with this. I'm not asking if Heather
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  Speaker 1: Debre as a person is a flop, because this podcast
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  Speaker 1: we're not mean. You know, we have funny throwchet, but
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  Speaker 1: it's not mean spirited. So it's not whether or not
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  Speaker 1: Heather Debro as a human being.
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  Speaker 3: As a flop.
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  Speaker 1: The question is, was Heather Debrell's return right to this
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  Speaker 1: current season of the Real Housewives of Orange County a flop?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? And I'm with you on that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think like I will never personally I've never
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  Speaker 4: personally met Heather, But yeah, was she a flop on
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  Speaker 4: the Real Housewives of Orange County? So much so that
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  Speaker 4: I could not finish the season. That's how much it
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  Speaker 4: flopp Piana, flop, Pianna, oh, the whole goddamn cast, but missed.
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  Speaker 4: They brought her back to be Look, they brought her
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  Speaker 4: back to be that girl, and I feel like past
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  Speaker 4: the first episode when we got that tour of her
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  Speaker 4: mall aka her home.
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  Speaker 1: Not the mall of America, Listen, that's exactly what it
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  Speaker 1: was given.
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  Speaker 4: I was looking for the Forst Cafe inside of her home,
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  Speaker 4: the Ferris Well.
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  Speaker 2: I was looking for all of.
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  Speaker 4: That, but past that, I was so uninterested.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm.
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  Speaker 4: Personally just not a Heather Debreu fan like that. So
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  Speaker 4: when I saw that they were bringing her back, I
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  Speaker 4: was like, I'm not amused, I'm not moved, I'm not excited.
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  Speaker 4: I did want to see that house. I didn't want
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  Speaker 4: to see that house. But Floppiana. That's my final answer.
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  Speaker 4: How about you?
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  Speaker 1: Everything you said, sis, I have to co sign on
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  Speaker 1: the dotted line initial in this box, laminated getting notarized.
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  Speaker 2: Sin filled and delivered.
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  Speaker 3: I'm yours. Let's come on, Stevie Weather.
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  Speaker 1: I agree that Heather Debre's return is a flop. And
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  Speaker 1: what's so funny is I literally stopped watching this current
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  Speaker 1: season of the Real Housewives of Orange County because it
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  Speaker 1: just wasn't great. And let me explain to you why
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  Speaker 1: I agree with everything Jasmine said. I was not a
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  Speaker 1: huge Heather de bro fan. She was fine in the
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  Speaker 1: midst of an ensemble. When you are banking your return
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  Speaker 1: on an individual.
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  Speaker 3: It's what Ebedy K.
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  Speaker 1: Williams called a force multiplier, right.
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  Speaker 2: Jazz Like, yep, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I used to call it the Queen Bee of the show,
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  Speaker 1: the Nine Leaks is of the world that Vicki Galvins Sins,
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  Speaker 1: the Bethany Francos, you know, like the Teresa Judais like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the force multipliers. Heather debro is not a
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  Speaker 1: force multiplier. It's like being in a girl group. She
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  Speaker 1: is a background singer, a.
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  Speaker 4: Very strong backup singer, right yeah, But she is not
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  Speaker 4: the lead. She is not, cannot and will not ever be.
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  Speaker 4: The OC doesn't have a lead singer this season. They're
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  Speaker 4: trying to give it to Shannon. But she's not a
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  Speaker 4: force multiplier either. She's not the lead girl. You know,
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  Speaker 4: when I stopped watching this season that episode when the
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  Speaker 4: and Gina went to New York and they were eating pizza,
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  Speaker 4: on the She's and I was like, as if, you know,
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  Speaker 4: talking to Ebony, like as if her and what's the same.
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  Speaker 2: Would ever be friends?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Whatever, be friends in real life Gina and Heather. None
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  Speaker 4: of this is realistic. It's just not realistic.
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  Speaker 1: No, So jazz Man, I could not agree with you more.
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  Speaker 1: In real life, the likes of a Heather de Bro
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  Speaker 1: would never be seen with Gina period now. And you
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  Speaker 1: know how we know that's a fact. We saw Heather's
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  Speaker 1: friends at the dinner party, yes, and they were just
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  Speaker 1: as fancy as Heather.
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  Speaker 3: So miss me with this labor both from New York
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  Speaker 3: like all of that.
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  Speaker 4: Girl bye, sweetie. Oprah and I are both from Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 4: She's not coming to my home helping me with my wardrobe.
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  Speaker 4: I would welcome it, like Oprah, You're one hundred percent welcome,
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  Speaker 4: like come make me over. Yeah, but it's just not
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  Speaker 4: realistic at this point, at this point in my life,
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  Speaker 4: it's not realistic that I'll have a friend like Oprah.
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  Speaker 4: That's what Gina, Gina, Heather was giving me back, So
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  Speaker 4: like two opposite ends of the spectrum for me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, absolutely, And listen, the problem is this, so
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  Speaker 1: I like you Jazmine watched the first episode and I tweeted,
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  Speaker 1: and y'all know, when I tweet something.
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  Speaker 3: It's I must believe in it.
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  Speaker 1: So I tweeted how much I enjoyed the first episode
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  Speaker 1: because I thought it was a great introduction to the
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  Speaker 1: cast and to Heather's return.
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  Speaker 3: And then when Gina spilled the tea.
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  Speaker 1: About Nicole having a boss job alleged boss job from
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  Speaker 1: Terry that turned out to be something that was dismissed
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  Speaker 1: or the lawsuit was dropped, I thought the whole thing
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  Speaker 1: was fantastic. So I was like, Okay, maybe Heather's return
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  Speaker 1: is going to be great. But Baby, after the second episode,
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  Speaker 1: it was dry boots, Like.
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  Speaker 4: Even when I try to go back to catch up,
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  Speaker 4: I'm just like, like, I'm gonna go watch I don't
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  Speaker 4: know Public Broadcasting System Girl before I finish this. I
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  Speaker 4: couldn't finish it. I couldn't because they're trying to make
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  Speaker 4: too much happen. And I think, you know, with the
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  Speaker 4: introduction of Noella, I don't like Noella as a housewife
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  Speaker 4: me neither.
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  Speaker 2: She's trying. She's trying very very hard.
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  Speaker 1: Right, There's a difference between being thirsty and dehydrated and
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  Speaker 1: on life support. So when you sign up to be
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  Speaker 1: on a reality show, I Carlos King, I want you
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  Speaker 1: to be thirsty. And when I say thirsty, sure that
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  Speaker 1: means I want you to really want to do a
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  Speaker 1: good job. I want you to like give your real life.
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  Speaker 1: That to me is thirsty. So I love thirsty. Dehydrated
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  Speaker 1: is when you're doing the absolute most, but you have
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  Speaker 1: redeeming qualities about yourself to where it's like, okay, girl,
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  Speaker 1: you're too bit excited to be on TV, but it's.
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  Speaker 3: All good when you are on life support.
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  Speaker 1: It's when you are so over the top you are
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  Speaker 1: with them Charter, you aren't real. There is nothing real
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  Speaker 1: about Noela, and no I think she's gorgeous.
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  Speaker 4: Beautiful gowns, beautiful gowns, gorgeous gowns like no so pretty,
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  Speaker 4: like I would look at you. You can just if
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  Speaker 4: they want to just have her, just give me a
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  Speaker 4: static image of Noela. I would just literally want to
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  Speaker 4: watch her. She's gorgeous, gorgeous, But a housewife gorgeous does
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  Speaker 4: not a housewife make okay.
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  Speaker 3: Not at all.
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  Speaker 1: No, Listen, you gotta be more than gorgeous to be
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  Speaker 1: a housewife, and you gotta be more than just like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about everything like that's fine. But it's
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  Speaker 1: hard for me to connect to Noela because I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen you with his husband who allegedly did these things
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  Speaker 1: to you, so I can't connect with you. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: seeing your child, so I can't connect with you being
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  Speaker 1: a mom.
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  Speaker 3: All I see is you crying all day long. And
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  Speaker 3: I met.
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  Speaker 1: You sis, so I feel bad for your situation. It's
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  Speaker 1: hard for me to connect with you, which is why
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  Speaker 1: it was hard for me to connect with Gina when
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  Speaker 1: she first started, because it was like, first of all, girl,
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  Speaker 1: your man's in LA and has an apartment there, but
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  Speaker 1: he ain't on TV. I work on love and marriage
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  Speaker 1: Huntspelle Enough said, if your man ain't coming home, he's
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  Speaker 1: doing other things.
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  Speaker 4: Honey, listen, somebody else was up in that apartment, and
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  Speaker 4: somebody else was. It later came out someone else one
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  Speaker 4: percent was.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why it's hard for me to connect with Gina.
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  Speaker 2: You know what Gina like.
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  Speaker 4: The whole way that Gina's story line played out with
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  Speaker 4: that situation, it made me feel like, and you can
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  Speaker 4: answer this as an expert, it made me feel like
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  Speaker 4: they were already on the outs, but she needed that
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  Speaker 4: to be her storyline when they started recording. I think
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  Speaker 4: the same thing happened with Noela. I feel like her
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  Speaker 4: and her men were already done because she came off
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  Speaker 4: just Toushan giving us the sex dungeon that was really
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  Speaker 4: a sex closet, Like, girl, don't tell me you got
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  Speaker 4: a sex dungeon down down to the OC and it's
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  Speaker 4: a little broom closet with a cot in it and
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  Speaker 4: a couple of a couple of whips and chains.
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  Speaker 3: Girl, that is not girl Amazon. Before production started, right.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that's what it was given me like.
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  Speaker 4: It made me feel like, no y'all were already on
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  Speaker 4: the outs, but you needed a dramatic storyline when filming started,
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  Speaker 4: so you just ran with this. But that's why we
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  Speaker 4: ain't never see that man. We didn't start seeing Gena's
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  Speaker 4: man until I think this season was the first he
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  Speaker 4: came to be with the kids.
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  Speaker 2: We never saw I think. So I want to say
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  Speaker 2: I've seen this on a.
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  Speaker 1: Preview, not the overview, but the preview exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's when I think I seen him, I.
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  Speaker 4: Think, But yeah, it's given y'all were already broken up,
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  Speaker 4: and I had to. I knew I had to do
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  Speaker 4: this reality show, and I need to be as dramatic
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  Speaker 4: as possible, and so I wanted to just act like
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  Speaker 4: this breakup was happening while filming what's happening?
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  Speaker 2: But I know we're not.
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  Speaker 4: I could go on a deep dive about these ladies,
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  Speaker 4: but I know we're talking about fancy fancy flop, not
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  Speaker 4: fancy pants fancy flop. I know we're talking about her.
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  Speaker 1: Bob Damn Jazz, tell how you really feel, go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: Says but you know what, Heather is a level of
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  Speaker 4: rich that I can only aspire to. So I will
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  Speaker 4: give her that. I will give her.
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  Speaker 3: That, all that, all that.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, I enjoyed Heather in the midst of Tamra Vicky
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  Speaker 1: Kelly Dodd, Megan King Edmunds.
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  Speaker 3: Like I enjoyed that, right MK, I enjoyed.
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  Speaker 1: When listen, when I'm casting for a reality show, a
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  Speaker 1: Heather debro type which is stoic, rich, beautiful, family, successful,
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  Speaker 1: o CD type A. Those are all good qualities for
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  Speaker 1: reality star, but you never put that quality into being
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  Speaker 1: the queen bee because the purpose of the queen bee,
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  Speaker 1: aka the force multiplier, is that person has the strength
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  Speaker 1: to rally the girls together. They have this mother quality,
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  Speaker 1: like how Kelly Michelle said Beyonce was the mother of
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  Speaker 1: Destiny's child, like Beyond it was like, no, we gotta
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  Speaker 1: rehearse girls, we gotta do that. Every reality show has that.
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  Speaker 1: OC did not have it. Heather Debro is not that girl.
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  Speaker 1: And as much as they tried to make Fetch happen,
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to burn the book of OC and just
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  Speaker 1: throw this season in the trash can.
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  Speaker 2: That's where it belongs.
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  Speaker 4: It is a whole heap of just everything's I go
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  Speaker 4: in the words Tamma said that shit so and I agree.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with her.
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  Speaker 4: It's just it's hard to watch like they, like I said,
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  Speaker 4: they don't have that queen Bee, that force multiplier. They
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  Speaker 4: don't have that lead singer, and they desperately need one.
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  Speaker 4: Because I don't think that the OC is a lost cause.
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  Speaker 4: Like I was seeing people saying like they should just
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  Speaker 4: can it. I don't think it's a lost cause. I
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  Speaker 4: think they just need people in place that can really
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  Speaker 4: do the job that you mentioned, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: Like now, I wouldn't say matriarch because I don't think
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  Speaker 4: Niini was was like the mother. I think Niini had
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  Speaker 4: this quality that everybody wanted to be close to her.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what was.
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  Speaker 4: Able to bring everybody together for you know, that particular franchise,
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  Speaker 4: because everybody wanted to be Nini's friends.
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  Speaker 2: But she no mother's going to open the door and
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  Speaker 2: tell you, hey, Nini, you are good.
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  Speaker 3: You don't bitch.
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  Speaker 2: Your mother is not gonna say that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, your father was raised on the other side
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  Speaker 1: of the tracks.
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  Speaker 3: You would. We'll be right back. Have some quick ass.
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  Speaker 3: This is reality with the King.
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  Speaker 2: I love getting in the t from me.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, when I was the executive producer of Atlanta Housewives,
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  Speaker 1: Nimi League did not come back at the top of
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  Speaker 1: season eight, And I remember a moment I was filming
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  Speaker 1: season eight of Atlanta Housewives and I was talking to
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  Speaker 1: my fellow producer and I said, something's off about this season,
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  Speaker 1: and I said, they don't have a queen be So
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  Speaker 1: to your point, Nini is not the mother, but as
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  Speaker 1: somebody who's worked on Atlanta Housewives and worked with Nini
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  Speaker 1: when she was on for those years, Nini had this
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  Speaker 1: presence where the ladies respected her so much, and to
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  Speaker 1: your point, they did want to be friends with her
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  Speaker 1: because Nini's a good time, and Nimi definitely knew how
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  Speaker 1: to rally the troops in a way that she felt like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's go now. If you were on Nini's bad side,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: then yes, the doorba gets slammed in your face at
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  Speaker 1: the Intercontinental Hotel Honey in Atlanta, Georgia.
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  Speaker 3: So the OC needed that.
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  Speaker 1: And what's sad is that person was Vicky and even Tamra.
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  Speaker 1: And when you lose two force multipliers at the same
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  Speaker 1: damn time and you replace them with one person who
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  Speaker 1: isn't the most likable person in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's not gonna work. No, it's not. Would
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  Speaker 2: I would argue with you.
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  Speaker 4: Vicky and Tamar aren't exactly likable either, right, Like I
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  Speaker 4: can A lot of people make those points of like
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  Speaker 4: they like, Vicki is not a likable person. You know,
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  Speaker 4: people talk a lot of shit about Tamra. For what
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  Speaker 4: it's worth, I one hundred percent enjoy watching Tamra on
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  Speaker 4: TV and then being able to meet her. I'm like, oh, no,
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  Speaker 4: she's actually a very pleasant person. Right, But they did something,
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  Speaker 4: they had something like what Nini had, Like Vicki for sure,
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  Speaker 4: even when you can't stand her, even when she's yelling
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  Speaker 4: at somebody about a damn family van.
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  Speaker 2: It's so funny, is so over the top, like she
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  Speaker 2: is just so good.
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  Speaker 4: Like I'm I'm in the number of people that I
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  Speaker 4: would pay money for a Vicky comeback on the OC
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  Speaker 4: I would pay, I would. I would spend all the money.
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  Speaker 3: In my bank account not to pay per views.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, listen, yeah, you spend all this EP money on
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  Speaker 2: seeing Vicky again. That's how important, that's how good she
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  Speaker 2: was to me.
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  Speaker 3: I have to agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: I think the only way to salvage the Real Housewives
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  Speaker 1: of Borge County you need Vicky and Tamra back.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Tamra.
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  Speaker 4: Tamarra as well, because Tamra was so messy, Like Tamra
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  Speaker 4: is the type of messy that I'm like, oh, bitch,
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: you should not have but I'm so glass.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, remember she tried to get Gretchen like white girl wasted.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, MESSI oh my gosh. I feel like
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: she added some color to that, like, you know, one
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: the whole iconic did you go to Beth Lake?
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Tamar is right.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. Tamra is the messy messenger.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: She's the bone collector. She's the villain at time, she's
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: the comedy relief.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Tamra was really that girl.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: She she was.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, when we talk about well, no,
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say that, I was gonna say I
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: feel like she isn't talked about enough, but she is.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I feel like people give her just due.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Like if you had an honorable mention for your greatest
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: housewives of all time, I would say Tamra should tamor
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: will deserve a spot on the honorable.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: And it's funny. My top ten greatest Housewife's list was definitely,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: you know, a difficult task in terms of like making
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: sure I got it right, and thankfully ninety eight percent
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: of the world agree with me, which is which is
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: which is good.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: I'm cool with that right.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: But what people don't know is Tamra was definitely number
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: eleven on my list.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: That's great to know. I also want to people ninety
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: eight percent of people agreed with your top three.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: A lot of people were.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: Like Kim Danielle, No, those were those were the ones
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: that people were like, really that one too. But I
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: feel like people would do that because they just want
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: to hate Jaselle. But people, I feel like they were
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: genuinely confused, like Kim and Danielle like really bitch. But
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: I'll give you that. Definitely agree with your to.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: This is what it was.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Though, too people those people who were like really bitch,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: My audience said, no, you have to listen to this
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: guy break it down. And once you listen to his
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: reason as to why these women are on the list,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: on his top ten list, it all makes sense.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Oh, let me ask you a question, going back to
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: the beautiful enriched Heatherdubro, who you know brought us here today.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Where does she rank out of one hundred and thirty
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: nine housewives? For me, She's I'm gonna say one thirty seven.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I was going to say one thirty eight.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Listen, I'm gonna say there have there have been there
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: have been worse, my friend.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I guess thirty eight.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, child, yes, and listen. Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, Linda, Linda, listen, listen, listen, listen.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Heather Debro should return next season only if Vickie, Tamra
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Shannon are back.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this. So that's my opinion. That's
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: my opinion.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my opinion.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: So let me ask you this jazz.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Do you think the Real Housewives of Orange County, similar
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to New York, should be split into two shows where
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: there's the Real Housewives of Orange County Legacy and then
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: a new crop of OC women for the franchise.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: It would depend on the reasoning for the split, because
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: with New York they split in and they said they
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: wanted to show this multicultural cast. There's not a multicultural
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: cast in the OLC. Let's be very clear about this
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: at all.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Let's be very clear.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Like they got their first black housewife in Noela, you know,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: and it's took taken how many, like fifteen seasons for
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: them to be able to do that, And so I think,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: just you know what we know about the OLC, a
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: multicultural cast, I don't know. I think if they split
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: it up, it will look like they're just splitting it
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: up so that they could have a younger batch of
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: OC housewives and then still keep you know, the older goals,
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: the seasoned goals women women hate to be called the
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: older ones, but the more seasoned gals what I watch it?
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, But do I think it's needed. No, Because I
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: don't think their issue is like the entire cast, like
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: you said, they have very good ensemble, castmates and cast members.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: They just need that Vicki, that camera to come in
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: and just really be like the glue. But yeah, if
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: they came, if they split it. Listen, one, I told
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: you this one thing about me. I'm gonna watch the Housewives,
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: so you can give me as many spin offs unless
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: it's Salt Lake City.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Not gonna watch that, guys.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get her to get into Salt Lake
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: City because I said to her, I understood in the beginning,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: because I didn't watch all the season one, but baby,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: season two, the moment Jen got arrested until the finale,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: not the reunion until the season finale was excellent television.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, we we can. We can.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Next time I visit you, let's sit down and watch
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: it as a family. Because I couldn't get into it.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: I got a couple episodes, could not get into it.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: But anyway, Yeah, I'm gonna watch the Housewives, regardless of
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: if it's with the OLC Gray. If next season they
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: come back and you know it's still boring in another flop,
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna watch it a little and then complain to
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: you and anybody else I will listen that it's a flop,
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: but I'm gonna always watch.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: At least a couple of I hate watch.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, yes, So in my opinion, I would like to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: see Vickie and Tama return next season.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Heather can stay.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: See Heather, we don't think you're bad, so I want
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: you to come back.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: I want you to come back.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: So I think you fit a mongst the ensemble. So Shannon, Bickie, Tamara, Heather,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and give me two new women. I feel bad for
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: saying this, but I gotta be honest. I'm over Gina, Emily,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: doctor Jen and Noela.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: I think, I think ye.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I think it's time to sell them off into the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: OC waters and.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Go on vacation.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: I okay, I would actually if Noela came back with
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: the cast that you just named and maybe like another
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: new person, I wouldn't hate that because, like I said, Noela,
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: like you caught you said, Noela is on life support,
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: just like beyond thirsty to be on TV. If she
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: can mellow that out a little bit, I think she
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: can give some good television. Because what I do think
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: is that she's open minded enough to be like wild
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: on TV and to like really give us kind of
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: like what camera used to get like in the pool
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: with no clothes on, Like I feel like she could
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: be that type of like really fun, but she has
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: to get past this like trying to mimic everything that
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: she's studied.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: She got the sex dungeon from Candy, she got she
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: got this outbirds looking at Belgient.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Like, No, I must have fallen asleep on.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: That part that was last week's episode of You didn't.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Watch of.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Am, Like either I fell asleep or didn't see that.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: I watched the previews like you said.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: So she has this like outwork cry by herself.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: So I listen. I low key agree with you.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: My only issue is this, she clearly is not connected
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to any of us women. Shannon does not like Noela.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I don't care what y'all say.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: She doesn't well, Shannon doesn't like anybody new.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: No new or younger, So that whole thing, like Shannon's
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: my friend, please, So if Noel, If Noela does come back,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I definitely think a new friend because I do agree
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: with you. She's fun, she's wild, and I think she's producible,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that she can have a clean slate.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Noela, if you're listening. Stop studying the housewives.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: This is not a test to pass the bar exam. Like, like,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: y'all attention new housewives want to be come on with it.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: You do not have to study every single show to
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: become something great. And that's why you girls aren't winning.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Like these new Housewives aren't great because they really study
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the show and they come on too strong, too soon.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: And we'll get into that when we recap Atlanta Housewives
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: because I'm just not into new women trying.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: To be that girl.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Because the blueprint when it comes to the ogs and
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the newer ladies, even Kenya who came in season five
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: and Portia who came in season five, they came in
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: as themselves. And I want more women to come on
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: like Kenya and Portia and.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Just be you.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, before I let you go, Jazz, I got a
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: surprise for you.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: So we're talking.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: About the OC Housewives and my next guest coming up
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: is none other than tamar Judge.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Wow, so exciting.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: I am so shocked and surprised that you interviewed Tamra
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: even though I was there. But no, that's that I mean,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: you know, yes, you're hearing the first right, go start
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: hearing out the reality with the King is becoming like
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: the home of the exclusive.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: So talk about exclusive.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: That Tamra interview is so good, like Tamar's so naturally
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: funny and just with the shits too, like loved it.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: I can't wait for the listeners to hear that.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: No, So the Tamra Judge interview was so good. The
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: beauty of this podcast is it doesn't feel like an
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: interview if it's more like a conversation. And I've never
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: met Tamra in real life, never met her, couldn't tell
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: you met her for the first time on the podcast.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: And when I say to you, she and I have
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: a great time. We exchanged phone numbers. I I didn't
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: tell you this, Jasmine. I talked to Tamar almost every
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: day now.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love that thought.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: I would say, I wouldn't have been able to tell
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: that you guys had never met, like if you didn't
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: tell me, I would think that you guys had known
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: each other for a really long time. Like I said,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: that's the gift that you have of like making anybody
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: feel like they're your best friend instantly. But I also
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: think Tamra has that as well as she, Like I said,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: she was so chill and just very personal, personable, and
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: it was a really good parent, Yes, a really good parent.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: I would like to see you guys talk again.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: And we will when she gets asked back to come
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: on the OC Housewives, because I said to her in
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: our conversation that I think she's going to come back,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: and you guys have to listen to the next episode
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: to see if she agrees with me. Yeah, so, Jasmin,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: thank you for taking time out of your.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Very busy schedule. Blackgir Mad my pleasure all around. This
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: was fun and listen.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I think we should do this more often.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent down.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, thank you, Jaz love you, says.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I love you. Thank you so much.
• 30:07
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• 30:11
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• 30:14
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• 30:18
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• 30:22
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• 30:46
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• 30:50
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