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The Guest Host Series Christina P. Kantzavelos, LCSW interviews Claire Hogan · The Trauma Therapist

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Therapist Podcast. My name is Gamiferson.
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Speaker 1: I interview incredible people who've dedicated their lives to helping
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Speaker 1: those who've been impacted by trauma. A big thank you
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Speaker 2: Hello, Claire him Christina.
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Speaker 3: I'm so happy to have you on here today.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 4: For those who don't know, Claire is an amazing data
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Speaker 4: healer and sound reiki healer and I've been personally working
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Speaker 4: with her for a long time.
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Speaker 3: I have referred her.
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Speaker 4: To many She's helped me and countless others, and I'm
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Speaker 4: just so excited for her to share this work because
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Speaker 4: I feel like it's been integral in my own healing
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Speaker 4: journey and you know, I know for a fact, in
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Speaker 4: many others.
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Speaker 3: But it's also extremely foreign, right.
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Speaker 4: Not many of you have heard of a theta healing,
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Speaker 4: or maybe they've heard of reiki healing, but sound reiki
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Speaker 4: is quite different, and you're going to get into that
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Speaker 4: right now. But for those listening or watching, I just
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Speaker 4: ask that you, you know, you approach this with curiosity
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Speaker 4: because at the very least it'll be interesting.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I do struggle to describe what I do, but
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Speaker 2: Christina is is so supportive in helping me just get
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Speaker 2: out there to articulate it so like as simply as
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Speaker 2: I can put it. The Theta healing meditation practice is
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Speaker 2: about witnessing the energetic shifts that you are trying to
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Speaker 2: invite into your I'm going to say life, but I
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Speaker 2: also mean immediate somatic energy, body exactly. And sound. Rakie
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Speaker 2: is my the other modality that I practice, and I
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Speaker 2: really love watching the energetic shifts that we're inviting in
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Speaker 2: in session. I really love to track that with sound,
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Speaker 2: just because it is my own, my own natural love
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Speaker 2: of singing and of making music is to some it's
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Speaker 2: there's there's it just sound really works for me. Uh
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Speaker 2: So my sessions do have they do have toning. That
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Speaker 2: there is toning that I do when I'm in session,
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Speaker 2: but it's not that It's not that the tones are
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Speaker 2: healing tones, although I do believe that sound and different
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Speaker 2: frequencies and like tuning for I love that stuff, But
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Speaker 2: this is more about about me watching the collective, co
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Speaker 2: created attention that we've identified for the work that we're
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Speaker 2: doing in session. It's that does that? Does that answer?
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Speaker 2: You got more questions.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so, and then I think it's important to
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Speaker 4: mention that there is a co creation happening in this,
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Speaker 4: that the container itself is co created.
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Speaker 3: That there's also.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's just there's just this really beautiful energy between
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Speaker 4: you and the person who you're working with. A lot
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Speaker 4: of coregulation is happening, like you really meet people where
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Speaker 4: they are. And I think for someone listening to this
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Speaker 4: who has a more therapeutic background, what I have personally
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Speaker 4: experienced and witnessed is understanding and parting with patterns that
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Speaker 4: perhaps were toxic or you know, are not They're not
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Speaker 4: helping they're not helping us thrive at this point in
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Speaker 4: our lives. So seeing them and witnessing them from a
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Speaker 4: different perspective in order to to release them, to part
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Speaker 4: with them, to invite in something that is, you know,
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Speaker 4: more beneficial to us in the long term, that's a
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Speaker 4: bit more sustainable. So I see it from that from
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Speaker 4: that lens, when I've worked with you, and when others
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Speaker 4: have worked with you as well, it's just a beautiful,
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Speaker 4: a beautiful thing. And I guess it's important for you
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Speaker 4: to share how you got into this in the first place.
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Speaker 2: Sure, I think I think I think that I also
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Speaker 2: want to add on before I get all into like
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Speaker 2: my own story is when I say, like when I say,
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Speaker 2: like I'm watching energy, the theta healing meditation practice has
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Speaker 2: this has this sort of clarification. They'll often say, like,
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Speaker 2: you are not the healer, you are the witness. And
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Speaker 2: it's about watching that connection between like like your client
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Speaker 2: and their connection to their experience of what I would
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Speaker 2: call God or Source or spirit or creator or the
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Speaker 2: or or the universe. So it's about it's about watching
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Speaker 2: that evolution that that relationship and the evolution of that
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Speaker 2: relationship and and that can be between you know, defining
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Speaker 2: a higher power is so deeply personal, and that speaks
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Speaker 2: to the co creative part of the sessions where I'm
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Speaker 2: like really curious about how how my client structures their
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Speaker 2: reality and what language or what mythology or what, uh,
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Speaker 2: how they want to talk about the if they want
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Speaker 2: to talk about it being metaphysical or quantum, or if
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Speaker 2: they want to sort of keep it in the realm
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Speaker 2: of like these are the stories they tell. Uh, there's
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Speaker 2: kind of like a broad it's it can be. It
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Speaker 2: can be pretty broad. Even though I'm going to kind
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Speaker 2: of show up to the same thing every time, which
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Speaker 2: is too which is to witness what's kind of a
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Speaker 2: strange framing, but to be present with and I guess, uh,
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Speaker 2: facilitate and guide And then the how did you ask me?
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Speaker 2: How did I How did I get into it? I
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Speaker 2: think that.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: I think that let's see, like there's there's the there's
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Speaker 2: the short answer. I guess like a childhood of reading
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Speaker 2: about like magic and like fantasy and storytelling that was
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Speaker 2: that that that framing felt as real to me as
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Speaker 2: as anything.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 2: And then encountering healers in my life who sort of
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Speaker 2: effortlessly were able to be like, we're just able to
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Speaker 2: step into this world that I thought was just like
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Speaker 2: it just exists in books like like this is this
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Speaker 2: is uh, this is an ann an unmagical place. And
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Speaker 2: then getting to work with people who and it's it
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Speaker 2: doesn't have to be framed like magic either. Again, that's
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Speaker 2: what these are the kinds of this, the kind of
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Speaker 2: mythology that resonates for me, uh, but getting to work
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Speaker 2: with people that live effortlessly in that space. And you know,
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Speaker 2: I have stories about my first my first sound reiki
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Speaker 2: practitioner entered my life uh through my mom. My mom
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Speaker 2: was at my mom was at like a it was
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Speaker 2: at like a dinner party, and there was a psychic,
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Speaker 2: a psychic soundriggy healer there who had a message from
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Speaker 2: my older sister that had passed away. So that was
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Speaker 2: how the Sound Raking Institute entered my life. And then
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Speaker 2: the Theta healing meditation technique I had been I had
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Speaker 2: been recently diagnosed with endometriosis and I was incredibly uncomfortable
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Speaker 2: and like, now I knew why. And I was living
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Speaker 2: in a very remote part of British Columbia, and I
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Speaker 2: just googled energy healers near me, and that was how
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Speaker 2: I learned about the Theta healing meditation technique. And I
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Speaker 2: just had one of those experiences where you're like, oh,
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Speaker 2: like I already like I already had a pretty vast
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Speaker 2: sort of like magical relationship to the world, and now
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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, and and I'm physically, I am
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Speaker 2: physically also having a pretty magical relationship to my soul
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Speaker 2: and to God and to my guides and you know.
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Speaker 2: And so I decided to I decided to learn how
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Speaker 2: to do it for myself. And that was Yeah, that
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Speaker 2: was in twenty sixteen. So it's been like ten years
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Speaker 2: of me learning how to do this for myself and
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Speaker 2: then and then that sort of just like really effortlessly
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Speaker 2: translated into doing it for other people because I loved
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Speaker 2: what I was able, how I was able to change
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Speaker 2: things in my own life.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it helped with your endemetriosis, correct, because I
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Speaker 4: remember asking.
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Speaker 2: You, yeah, yeah, so this this uh yeah so yeah
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Speaker 2: this theaty healer Maria Gould, she's fantastic, highly recommend her.
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Speaker 2: She was just able to read stuff about my She
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Speaker 2: was able to read stuff about my body and my
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Speaker 2: family history and the stories, the stories that my body
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Speaker 2: is carrying, and the data healing technique sort of asks
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Speaker 2: you and the practitioner to sit with those stories and
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Speaker 2: to sit with them and to invite the unconditional love
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Speaker 2: of the universe into the stories that we're carrying. And
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Speaker 2: things start to change when we do that. And I
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Speaker 2: don't know what that, I don't know why, and I
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Speaker 2: don't know why it works. I just know I just
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Speaker 2: know that it.
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Speaker 4: Really unconditional love does not heal and work like a surprise.
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Speaker 3: Like that's what I mean.
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Speaker 4: Why it really takes this different perspective and understanding you
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Speaker 4: know why we do the things we do, or have
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Speaker 4: done the things we've done, or you know, have consciously
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Speaker 4: or subconsciously entered into select patterns that aren't necessarily beneficial
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Speaker 4: to us.
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Speaker 3: Maybe they helped us.
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Speaker 4: Survive at some point, but they're not allowing us to
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Speaker 4: thrive now. And so when we bring unconditional love to
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Speaker 4: the front, things are bound to shift and change because
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Speaker 4: we're not operating out of fear anymore. And we do
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Speaker 4: have someone like you witnessing that alongside us, which is
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Speaker 4: just absolutely beautiful. And you do a remarkable job at
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Speaker 4: I think, really creating a safe and courageous space with
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Speaker 4: your with your clients in order to facilitate that shift
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Speaker 4: in that and that change.
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Speaker 3: So okay, Clarity.
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Speaker 2: Time, sure, right, Yeah, that's the name.
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Speaker 3: I mean literally Claire's in the name.
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Speaker 4: But tell us, tell us why you why you chose that,
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Speaker 4: and what what does clarity.
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Speaker 3: Mean to you?
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Speaker 2: I think I chose it because, I mean because it
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Speaker 2: was too funny to be named Claire and then like
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Speaker 2: just be like just be endlessly drawn to all all
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Speaker 2: of the all of the clairvoyances and Clare sentiences and
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Speaker 2: Claire cognizances and just to be like this is what
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Speaker 2: this is what I like to do, and then the yeah,
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Speaker 2: the the the sound sound Reikie practice is to start
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Speaker 2: the work with a clearing so just the idea that
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Speaker 2: we're like looking at what's in the field, in the
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Speaker 2: energetic field of a person, and we're looking we're looking
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Speaker 2: at it with the invitation of what's ready to change,
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Speaker 2: what's ready to shift, what's ready to be released, or
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Speaker 2: what's ready to be illuminated, and how that sort of
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Speaker 2: inevitably results in a feeling of clarity at least in
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Speaker 2: my That has been my experience of being on the
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Speaker 2: receiving end of this work, and it is my it
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Speaker 2: is my aspiration to be able to offer that. And
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Speaker 2: what I really love about getting to work, like getting
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Speaker 2: to work with you, is that like like I love
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Speaker 2: working with therapists, I love working with people who are
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Speaker 2: like professional emotional problem solvers because it feels like it
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Speaker 2: just feels it feels like gosh, it feels like getting
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Speaker 2: to bring I don't know, getting to bring like new
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Speaker 2: tools to the experts. I don't know how to describe it,
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Speaker 2: but it's it feels it's the collaboration of it is
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Speaker 2: really delightful.
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Speaker 4: I you know I believe in the mind, body spirit
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Speaker 4: connection right and how fierce it is, and I feel
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Speaker 4: like you're like the You're really the spirit energetic piece
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Speaker 4: to that that I get to. It's like, oh, I
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Speaker 4: can just I can relax, like I understand, I understand
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Speaker 4: the mind, someone understand the body. But there's this piece
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Speaker 4: that sometimes you know, I feel a little bit lost in,
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Speaker 4: just as we do in those other areas, and it's
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Speaker 4: I can I can really go to you with that
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Speaker 4: and you can bring things into perspective into my field
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Speaker 4: that are in my field that perhaps I haven't really
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Speaker 4: looked at or or addressed to work on, to to
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Speaker 4: process to release. So I guess a question for you
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Speaker 4: would be like, how do you differentiate between like emotional blocks,
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Speaker 4: energetic chords, and trauma related patterns?
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Speaker 2: So I guess, gosh, I mean, the shortest answer is
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Speaker 2: I I ask to be shown what it is that
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Speaker 2: we need to know for the session I ask for.
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Speaker 2: I asked my clients to come in with like, uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, an intention of what they would like to
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Speaker 2: change and like to bring, like to bring a problem
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Speaker 2: to session. And then I think a reason why, you know,
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Speaker 2: I didn't grow up being like oh, I'm a psychic
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Speaker 2: reader because I only really seem to be shown things
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Speaker 2: when there's like work to do, Like I'm showing up
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Speaker 2: to do. I'm showing up to do the work. I'm
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Speaker 2: not showing up to just sort of read, like what
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Speaker 2: is it? I call it's cold reading.
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Speaker 1: I'm not.
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Speaker 2: I can't. I don't do that so much as I
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Speaker 2: show up to see what will what will reflect the
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Speaker 2: intention of what someone is looking to change. So once
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Speaker 2: we have that bit of specificity, then then different things
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Speaker 2: will reveal themselves in the field. My mythology for how
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Speaker 2: to name these things I have my vocabulary is like chords, curses, soul,
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Speaker 2: fragment in her children, with messages for us, or so
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Speaker 2: like younger selves. And I sort of wait to see
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Speaker 2: what reveals itself. And once I see something, I share
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Speaker 2: that with my client and we kind of work together
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Speaker 2: to figure out what it is that that we're looking at.
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Speaker 2: I get shown I also get shown the timelines of things,
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Speaker 2: so I can see or I can feel how long
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Speaker 2: something has been in the field for and that can
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Speaker 2: kind of help us narrow in on what it is
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Speaker 2: that we're untangling. And I also have a really clear
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Speaker 2: thing if I see something that my client doesn't want
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Speaker 2: to share with me, that that's totally fine because I
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Speaker 2: don't need to actually know what the stories are that
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Speaker 2: you're carrying because they are known, like they are known
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Speaker 2: by the unconditionally loving universe source God, the stories are held,
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Speaker 2: and so I'm really there to watch whatever. Again, it's
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Speaker 2: like the intention, whatever needs to come into alignment you've released,
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Speaker 2: I'm there to watch that journey between my client and
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Speaker 2: their connection to all that is. Did that answer? Oh?
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Speaker 2: How do I know if it's emotional? How do I
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Speaker 2: know if it's a trauma pattern? How do I know? Really?
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Speaker 2: Just like through through the digging sometimes you know, sometimes
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Speaker 2: different things like if I see something, if I if
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Speaker 2: I pick up up like oh, this heartbreak has been
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Speaker 2: here for two years, then I just get to be like,
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Speaker 2: what's that? What's that about? That's what I'm picking up?
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Speaker 2: Do you want to do you want to dig into that?
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Speaker 2: Does that feel like it would be useful? And then
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Speaker 2: and then generally like my my own my client will
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Speaker 2: know what that what that means.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very it's very collaborative, right.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 4: It's just what comes up and communicating through it. And
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Speaker 4: I'm sure there's a combination of like intuition, knowing, sentence,
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Speaker 4: all of that. So walk us through like what a session.
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Speaker 4: Kind of course it's so different for every single person,
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Speaker 4: but if we were to just generalize what a session
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Speaker 4: would look like start to finish, like, yeah, kind of
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Speaker 4: kind of show us, walk us through it.
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Speaker 2: Sure. So a beginning session, like a starting session working
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Speaker 2: with me, is usually a clearing session before we like
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Speaker 2: get into belief work. So a clearing session looks like
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Speaker 2: setting our container. So quantum configuration chamber of divine love
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Speaker 2: and light is the wording that I use. So we
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Speaker 2: set that container, the idea being that everything that's of
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Speaker 2: service is illuminated and everything that is not is held
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Speaker 2: in trust outside of the container. And then and then
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Speaker 2: I run my little scan, so that's where I muscle
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Speaker 2: test to check for curses, chords and our children, negative
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Speaker 2: energy entities, ghosts, etc. What might be in the field.
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Speaker 2: And then I share what I've seen with my client
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Speaker 2: and ask them what they'd like to work on. First, Generally,
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Speaker 2: of the things that I pick up on, they tend
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Speaker 2: to by the end of the session, they've sort of
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Speaker 2: painted a picture that generally revolves around the thing that
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Speaker 2: they came to transform. But it can it's it can
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Speaker 2: sort of feel like, well, I came here to sort
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Speaker 2: of like work on this like issue I'm having at work.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why we're talking about like this. I
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Speaker 2: don't know why my eight year old is here, but okay,
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Speaker 2: well that's my ADHD timer when I'm sorry that pick
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Speaker 2: that up. But yeah, that's what that's what a session
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Speaker 2: looks like with me. And then yeah, we invite, we
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Speaker 2: invite whatever the what however my client frames their their
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Speaker 2: experience at the universe to assist in that transformation that
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Speaker 2: is an alignment with their high schod possible reality. And
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Speaker 2: then uh, and then you know, I muscle test along
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Speaker 2: the way, and I ask questions like about can you
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Speaker 2: feel can you feel that? Can you can you feel
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Speaker 2: that landing like in your body? Or can you feel
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Speaker 2: this really soon? Or if I sort of see you know,
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Speaker 2: I I try to you know, Uh, it's not I
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Speaker 2: think what I'm saying saying is it's not. I don't
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Speaker 2: just tell you what I'm seeing and then tell you
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Speaker 2: like good luck. You know, I really work with the client,
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Speaker 2: with my client to to step into this growth or
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Speaker 2: step into this shift, or to report back on like
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Speaker 2: if stuff doesn't feel like it's moving, you know, because
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Speaker 2: that's super interesting too, because then we get to find out,
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Speaker 2: you know, more, we just get to find out about
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Speaker 2: more stories.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense.
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Speaker 4: It makes well complete, It makes complete sense to me
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Speaker 4: having been on the other the other side.
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Speaker 3: It takes some interesting twists and turns. Sometimes. I like
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Speaker 3: the fact that like I don't feel.
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Speaker 4: Like I have to, you know, just appease you or
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Speaker 4: fawn and say yes, it's it's working, or something like
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Speaker 4: I really it's very collaborative, and it's like, you know what,
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Speaker 4: I didn't actually feel anything in my body. Okay, let's
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Speaker 4: like figure out perhaps why. And then something else arises
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Speaker 4: or comes up that I thought I've had nothing to
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Speaker 4: do with the subject, but actually does have to do
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Speaker 4: with this. It all comes up for for a reason,
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Speaker 4: And I mean it's really no different than when I'm
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Speaker 4: doing somatic trauma work with with the client. We just
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Speaker 4: it's interesting what surfaces, and sometimes it has we think
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Speaker 4: it has nothing to do with the the challenge, but
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Speaker 4: it's it's more so a core a core issue or
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Speaker 4: core belief right that's propelling it from from years before.
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Speaker 4: It's something completely unrelated. So with you, Like, I've had
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Speaker 4: moments where, yeah, something that's that feels so heavy and
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Speaker 4: is a lot has to do.
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Speaker 3: With you know, something that happened in my in my past.
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Speaker 4: You know that I clearly had not healed from or
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Speaker 4: even thought about or thought that I needed to heal from.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 4: I thought I figured it out or had had it
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Speaker 4: under under control. But it surfaces it's like this, and
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Speaker 4: it's an invitation to you and and let it go.
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Speaker 4: And I feel like when we we let things go,
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Speaker 4: let patterns go, we really are able to invite things.
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Speaker 4: These negative held beliefs are replaced by really positive ones
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Speaker 4: that are uplifting and make more more sense, that feel
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Speaker 4: better and more harmonious. So yeah, I appreciate that in
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Speaker 4: our sessions. And I think most people can attest to
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Speaker 4: the fact that they feel so much lighter, Like that's
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Speaker 4: what I that's the feedback I hear after.
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Speaker 3: Someone sees you. They're like, oh, I feel so much lighter.
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Speaker 4: Like things just just make sense. And like I said,
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Speaker 4: sometimes there's this batona get to hand over to you,
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Speaker 4: if you know, if someone's open to seeing you right
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Speaker 4: on that energetic level where it's like, ah, this is
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Speaker 4: this is a place that I haven't been trained to
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Speaker 4: take my clients, you know, but but you can, and
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Speaker 4: it's incredible when you do. And the latest feedback I
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Speaker 4: received was this a felt like five years of therapy
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Speaker 4: in one session.
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Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, you can go in and
24:08
Speaker 3: fire me. Then no, it's so great.
24:13
Speaker 4: I mean sometimes hear that with the psychedelics as well. Right,
24:16
Speaker 4: it's like this this very alternate path and understanding and
24:22
Speaker 4: you go into some subconscious places.
24:25
Speaker 3: That we're not even we're not even aware of that exists,
24:29
Speaker 3: and are there.
24:30
Speaker 2: I think I think we hear the phrase like if
24:33
Speaker 2: you're in the wellness wo sort of world, we hear
24:36
Speaker 2: the phrase like you create your own reality, and and
24:40
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I have a lot to say
24:44
Speaker 2: about that, but I feel like I feel like what
24:48
Speaker 2: my work does is it gives us an opportunity to
24:54
Speaker 2: explore energetic, energetic f in our lives, especially energetic phenomena.
25:03
Speaker 2: I call it, like that could be relationships, it could
25:05
Speaker 2: be like it could be relationships to people, to organizations,
25:09
Speaker 2: to self, to God, but energetic phenomena that shows up
25:14
Speaker 2: that repeats and we've kind of done everything we can't
25:18
Speaker 2: consciously like generally, by the time you're working with me,
25:20
Speaker 2: you've done everything you can to consciously like address this
25:24
Speaker 2: repeating phenomena. And now we're kind.
25:27
Speaker 4: Of an example of what that might be real quick
25:30
Speaker 4: like that you see just like as an.
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Speaker 2: Example, Yeah, I'm sure that I can.
25:47
Speaker 4: Like maybe for example, like bullying, right, like feeling like
25:51
Speaker 4: I'm constantly being bullied in different relationships and be it
25:56
Speaker 4: at work within my family.
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Speaker 3: That could be.
26:00
Speaker 4: It could be something similar to that relationship with money
26:03
Speaker 4: or toxic toxic romantic relationships.
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Speaker 2: I mean, all of all of these, all of these
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Speaker 2: are things that that I've seen, so getting into okay, okay,
26:18
Speaker 2: oh yeah, let's see the Okay. One one thing that
26:29
Speaker 2: I worked with a client recently was sort of on
26:34
Speaker 2: this belief that like that real spiritual lessons are always painful.
26:42
Speaker 2: So in order for her to feel like she was
26:45
Speaker 2: like it's in order for her to feel like she
26:49
Speaker 2: was growing in her calling on the spiritual path that
26:52
Speaker 2: she's on. It was like the more work she did,
26:56
Speaker 2: the more she felt like almost like almost like punished
27:03
Speaker 2: by God, like almost like like the worst like the
27:08
Speaker 2: worst life God. Right, And so we sort of can
27:16
Speaker 2: look at the like like my work in the clearing
27:19
Speaker 2: will look at the sort of surface expressions of that.
27:21
Speaker 2: We'll look at we'll look at untangling different dynamics between
27:25
Speaker 2: maybe yourself and a partner, yourself and a coworker, and
27:29
Speaker 2: sort of seeing like how we can call your energy
27:32
Speaker 2: and your power back to yourself and invite in that
27:35
Speaker 2: unconditionally loving forgiveness for self and other for like the
27:38
Speaker 2: ways that we inevitably trespass into each other's spaces and
27:41
Speaker 2: sacred energy fields just because we are we are constantly
27:44
Speaker 2: co creating with each other like all the time. That's
27:46
Speaker 2: just like what are That's like we we're we're we're
27:50
Speaker 2: we're energetic beings in bodies building things together endlessly. So
27:56
Speaker 2: so the clearing will kind of like untangle that, untangle
28:00
Speaker 2: those levels of it, and then the belief work, uh
28:04
Speaker 2: is deeper and we kind of get into like that
28:07
Speaker 2: that's where that it can It can be used really
28:10
Speaker 2: flippantly like you create your own reality. It can be
28:12
Speaker 2: used like really in a way that can make people
28:15
Speaker 2: in a way that can be really like victim blaming.
28:18
Speaker 2: And I what I find really interesting is just like
28:22
Speaker 2: if you if you just look at it in really
28:25
Speaker 2: really like microscopically hyper specific, but like what are we
28:29
Speaker 2: specifically talking about creating? And and we just sort of
28:34
Speaker 2: pick up stories about how we should experience reality, right
28:39
Speaker 2: how like I I I know that I'm growing if
28:42
Speaker 2: something is really hard and painful because I I because
28:47
Speaker 2: somewhere I picked up the story that that's what that
28:49
Speaker 2: that that that is more true? Then uh, then the
28:54
Speaker 2: then the idea that I can I can learn something
28:56
Speaker 2: new easily, you know, And that's what kind of brings
29:00
Speaker 2: us into like working usually with younger selves and sort
29:04
Speaker 2: of seeing where we learned that. And then the data
29:07
Speaker 2: healing practice takes that to another level where you might
29:10
Speaker 2: look at where you've learned something in previous lifetimes that
29:13
Speaker 2: you're still carrying into this lifetime. And one doesn't have
29:19
Speaker 2: to believe that, you don't have to believe that past
29:21
Speaker 2: lives are absolutely real, but it can be helpful to
29:26
Speaker 2: sort of to sort of see a pattern in your life,
29:30
Speaker 2: you know. And sometimes you just sometimes there just is
29:33
Speaker 2: no clear reason. You're just like it's just been this way,
29:37
Speaker 2: there is no point of origin for this story in
29:39
Speaker 2: my life. It's just how I have always experienced things,
29:43
Speaker 2: and probably from like a therapist, like perspective, you could
29:46
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, so this is probably like a pre
29:48
Speaker 2: verbal like pre you know, early early days trauma or
29:52
Speaker 2: generational yes, uh, and like a lot of times when
29:56
Speaker 2: I'm doing past life stuff, like we are our own ancestors,
29:59
Speaker 2: so you get like the intersection of the generational and
30:02
Speaker 2: the past life overlapping at the same time. But so,
30:05
Speaker 2: but so my point is is that the belief work
30:07
Speaker 2: will take us into sort of where the stories of
30:13
Speaker 2: the patterns and their manifestation in your life. Uh, where
30:20
Speaker 2: where do those stories live? And for whatever unknown reason,
30:25
Speaker 2: I just am good at seeing these stories. I don't know,
30:28
Speaker 2: I don't know why. But if I ask to be shown, uh,
30:32
Speaker 2: then I see that I am that I am shown
30:35
Speaker 2: the story, and then I share what I see, and
30:39
Speaker 2: then we just invite that unconditional love of the universe
30:42
Speaker 2: to bring to bring witness or to bring closure, or
30:45
Speaker 2: to bring whatever whatever's really needed.
30:50
Speaker 4: Yeah.
30:51
Speaker 3: Overall overall healing basically and transformation.
30:57
Speaker 4: Yeah.
30:57
Speaker 2: And so it's like it's kind of like a a
31:00
Speaker 2: misnomer of like you create your like we're we're where
31:05
Speaker 2: we are involved in the creation of our experience, and
31:07
Speaker 2: like that's sort of what I feel like my work
31:09
Speaker 2: is like is like digging in, digging into when something
31:12
Speaker 2: that you're when there's a way that you're experiencing your
31:17
Speaker 2: thoughts or your feelings, or your or or relationships with
31:20
Speaker 2: other people with places things proper noun that you'd like
31:24
Speaker 2: to change or experience differently, or you're like, I think
31:27
Speaker 2: that I could like I think that this could be different.
31:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, So in this example you shared with us with
31:35
Speaker 4: this with this woman who had this belief right was
31:38
Speaker 4: tied to this belief about suffering and spirituality. I mean,
31:42
Speaker 4: what was the outcome for them? What were they able
31:47
Speaker 4: to replace that with? What belief were they able to adopt?
31:52
Speaker 2: Basically, so part of the practice is to invite and
32:00
Speaker 2: invite their higher power into show them what is true
32:05
Speaker 2: for them, like what is true? What is what is
32:08
Speaker 2: their highest divine possible reality. And I don't actually always
32:13
Speaker 2: get to know what that is for someone. I as
32:18
Speaker 2: the practitioner and facilitator, I do my best to like
32:21
Speaker 2: translate to like read to help someone connect to the
32:26
Speaker 2: fact that I like the very real fact that like
32:29
Speaker 2: you know, you are experiencing like divine assistance in in
32:35
Speaker 2: your in the way that you are making your growth
32:38
Speaker 2: journey conscious. So so I I I would have to
32:43
Speaker 2: go to my notes to figure out what exactly it was,
32:46
Speaker 2: but I can just approximate different different ways that are there.
32:51
Speaker 2: There isn't going to always be like a one size
32:54
Speaker 2: fits all answer to the changing of a limiting belief,
32:59
Speaker 2: but things like I know what it feels like to
33:06
Speaker 2: grow gently. I know what it feels like too evolve,
33:15
Speaker 2: you know, my personal evolution in a way that is supported.
33:19
Speaker 2: I know that it's safe to experience growth. I know that,
33:25
Speaker 2: like like and you can get into oh, just different
33:31
Speaker 2: stories about different stories that we carry in so many
33:34
Speaker 2: different ways about how hard it can just be to
33:38
Speaker 2: be ourselves here, Like I feel like that's kind of
33:41
Speaker 2: what's at the root of a lot of things. Is
33:43
Speaker 2: it's just the stuff that's like in the way of
33:48
Speaker 2: being our whole and beautiful and divine self.
33:53
Speaker 3: Authentic, perfectly imperfect selves.
33:55
Speaker 4: So for her though, and specifically, like, did she feel
33:58
Speaker 4: that relief after, I mean, was she able to set
34:02
Speaker 4: for herself?
34:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a bunch of it was like
34:06
Speaker 2: it was like, you know, she let me know that
34:09
Speaker 2: like a bunch of stories. It matched a bunch of stories,
34:11
Speaker 2: It matched a bunch of undertakings that had been like
34:15
Speaker 2: unusually difficult, and and you know, we get to imagine
34:24
Speaker 2: then together what it like, what it what it can
34:28
Speaker 2: feel like to you know, this this is you know,
34:31
Speaker 2: this is a particular goal growth journey for herself, but
34:35
Speaker 2: what could it feel like? Two experience like life lessons
34:43
Speaker 2: with ease, and and then we can get into the
34:46
Speaker 2: parts that the parts of ourselves that like are in resistance, right,
34:50
Speaker 2: because there are parts of ourselves that are like no,
34:52
Speaker 2: but this made me a better person, and I really
34:53
Speaker 2: want to be a better person.
34:55
Speaker 4: So like, yeah, it's whatever, it's whatever comes up.
35:01
Speaker 3: So I was just I was curious about this.
35:03
Speaker 4: So for you know, therapists who are who are listening,
35:07
Speaker 4: who you know, are like, how how do I know
35:10
Speaker 4: if you know I.
35:13
Speaker 3: Should consider, you know, referring my client.
35:16
Speaker 4: To Claire, Like what what would you what would you
35:19
Speaker 4: say to them? Like what things might pop up in
35:23
Speaker 4: a session that would make them curious about such a referral.
35:28
Speaker 2: I guess, hmmm, because I don't.
35:31
Speaker 4: Have a lot of therapists referring to you.
35:33
Speaker 2: I guess when when a client feels really stuck, like
35:38
Speaker 2: they're like they're like, I've tried. I've tried all the
35:42
Speaker 2: I've tried the positive affirmations, I've tried the self talk,
35:46
Speaker 2: I've tried the the DBT, I've tried the I'm trying
35:50
Speaker 2: to think of other things that I've worked with people.
35:56
Speaker 2: Like it's like when the energy of something it's like,
35:59
Speaker 2: I don't know how to say, that's so vague, but
36:01
Speaker 2: it's like it's it's so specific to me.
36:03
Speaker 4: But it's like when I think of it as like
36:07
Speaker 4: when somebody is stuck in a pattern and we've tried
36:11
Speaker 4: various modalities and it still doesn't feel like they can
36:15
Speaker 4: shift out of it. Or also if they're really struggling
36:19
Speaker 4: with the connection in their life and this person keeps
36:22
Speaker 4: coming up or this thing just keeps coming over and
36:25
Speaker 4: over again, and they're just really frustrated about it, and
36:28
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, let's let's try let's let's try
36:32
Speaker 4: something something.
36:33
Speaker 2: Different that for sure feels like that that very much
36:36
Speaker 2: is like what I feel like I am really particularly
36:40
Speaker 2: good at. Like that is my like niche of work
36:44
Speaker 2: is definitely the interpersonal relating more so than like the
36:49
Speaker 2: physical the physical body that sort of is that's like
36:53
Speaker 2: the the somatic component is part of it, but like
36:55
Speaker 2: I really love being able to untangle like they're I
37:00
Speaker 2: feel like in in popular culture and we know them
37:02
Speaker 2: as chords, and like cord cutting is really like it,
37:06
Speaker 2: you can find it, it's out there. My work is
37:09
Speaker 2: it feels more like chord transformation, which is sort of
37:14
Speaker 2: I got this whole thing about you know, we're all
37:17
Speaker 2: we're all connected. It's the fabric. It's the fabric of
37:19
Speaker 2: the universe. It's the it's the tapestry of connection. And
37:23
Speaker 2: we're sort of looking at looking at ways that we
37:28
Speaker 2: get it intertwined with each other in ways that may
37:32
Speaker 2: not serve, that may have served us but then that
37:34
Speaker 2: no longer serve us, And how we just get to
37:38
Speaker 2: bring so much compassion to how like you know, it's
37:42
Speaker 2: sort of like we're all trying our best, and we're
37:45
Speaker 2: all trying our best to what did you say? Perfectly
37:48
Speaker 2: and perfectly Like you know, often it's like we're trying
37:50
Speaker 2: our best to perfectly and perfectly love each other, support
37:53
Speaker 2: each other, or like uplift and if it's if it's
37:56
Speaker 2: more about conflict, then we're trying to like stand up
37:59
Speaker 2: for our selves or we're trying to create setter boundaries
38:03
Speaker 2: and create space and like and like create space for
38:06
Speaker 2: ourselves and what's true. So getting to work people in that,
38:09
Speaker 2: I really love getting to do and yeah, I get
38:16
Speaker 2: I'm I'm like, yeah, when the energy, I just the energy.
38:21
Speaker 2: When the energy have something repeats in different circumstances, and
38:25
Speaker 2: I think that that's I really love getting to the
38:29
Speaker 2: root of of of the of the why, the almost
38:33
Speaker 2: like the why, Like I don't really know the bigger
38:35
Speaker 2: why right, Like I'm just as like I'm just why,
38:39
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. It's like like I think some people think
38:42
Speaker 2: that this this work gives you like spiritual answers, but
38:46
Speaker 2: I think it's it's more.
38:47
Speaker 3: Just it does it can it can? I've had them,
38:50
Speaker 3: other people have.
38:51
Speaker 4: It's just it's kind of bring I feel like it
38:53
Speaker 4: brings up whatever it.
38:55
Speaker 3: Is you need to hear or be with, you know,
38:58
Speaker 3: in a very get.
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Speaker 4: A very safe and courageous space to explore that.
39:03
Speaker 3: And because it's.
39:05
Speaker 4: Not always you know, healing, as we all know, is
39:07
Speaker 4: not rainbows and butterflies, but it feels that way when
39:11
Speaker 4: you work with with Claire, it feels very and loving
39:15
Speaker 4: and magical, like you said, like it has that I
39:19
Speaker 4: don't know, magical forest elf fel heel to it, and
39:25
Speaker 4: that in itself offers that that cushion when things come
39:28
Speaker 4: up that maybe are a bit uncomfortable to be with
39:32
Speaker 4: and to witness. So I guess you know some last questions,
39:40
Speaker 4: which is like, what is one thing you'd like folks
39:45
Speaker 4: listening or watching this to know about healing that you
39:48
Speaker 4: might not hear in like traditional talk therapy spaces.
39:54
Speaker 2: I think just that, like you know, working with working
39:59
Speaker 2: with practitioners like myself, Like we're kind of just like
40:05
Speaker 2: helping you place your focus on something that you have
40:08
Speaker 2: access to all the time, like you are always connected
40:12
Speaker 2: to your soul to like what I would what I
40:16
Speaker 2: would call God to source, like you're you're never, You're
40:21
Speaker 2: never apart from that and let's see. And so I think, no,
40:32
Speaker 2: that's beautiful. Yeah, that's beautiful.
40:35
Speaker 4: That ended of itself right, And I always we always
40:38
Speaker 4: have all the tools and resources we need within us,
40:41
Speaker 4: you know, sometimes we just need the reminder from from
40:46
Speaker 4: each other, from from a therapeutic support. And what's one
40:52
Speaker 4: thing you'd recommend to those listening or watching this to
40:56
Speaker 4: do every day too to clear protect them cells ground,
41:02
Speaker 4: stay connected.
41:09
Speaker 2: See, I I like too, like imagine that quantum configuration
41:24
Speaker 2: chamber of divine love. I know it's like a circle.
41:26
Speaker 2: It's a circle. It's like I'm just you know, you
41:28
Speaker 2: could call it that, or you call it casting a
41:29
Speaker 2: little circle, or you could call it prayer. Whatever again,
41:33
Speaker 2: whatever mortality is yours. But to just really imagine your
41:40
Speaker 2: immediate space, you know, that orc space that you can feel,
41:43
Speaker 2: and then if you want, you might as well just
41:45
Speaker 2: well just do your your your physical space while you're
41:48
Speaker 2: at it, like and you're just kind of inviting that
41:51
Speaker 2: unconditional love to sort of surround surround, you can give it,
41:55
Speaker 2: you can give it a color you know that really
41:57
Speaker 2: feels like what you know, you'll you'll know, and just
42:06
Speaker 2: remembering that divine support right like that's available all the time.
42:15
Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, and I think that can it
42:22
Speaker 2: can kind of feel like I don't know, like it
42:27
Speaker 2: could feel like a I don't know, sort of feels
42:29
Speaker 2: to me like a midday like if a shower could
42:33
Speaker 2: be a hug from God. I don't know, like it
42:39
Speaker 2: just feels or if like I could or like getting
42:44
Speaker 2: to edge a sketch, like shake a little edge of sketch,
42:46
Speaker 2: just be like, oh okay, maybe this picture isn't the picture
42:48
Speaker 2: that I didn't necessarily wanted to like, I just want
42:52
Speaker 2: to give it a little you know, you know, like go.
42:57
Speaker 2: That's one of my one of my go to tools.
42:59
Speaker 2: And you certainly can frame it. You can frame it
43:03
Speaker 2: like protection if that feels if that feels like that's
43:06
Speaker 2: a service to you. For me, it serves as kind
43:12
Speaker 2: of like a reminder when I get all in my
43:15
Speaker 2: you know, in my little human experience of being not
43:19
Speaker 2: part of the whole because I'm because I'm here in
43:22
Speaker 2: this singular perspective. She reminds me about that interconnected capestry.
43:29
Speaker 3: Then beautiful, beautiful. Okay. So for those who want to
43:36
Speaker 3: look you up find you, how do they? How do
43:38
Speaker 3: they do that? Claire?
43:39
Speaker 2: Uh yeah. So my business is called clarity Time. Clarity
43:44
Speaker 2: is built with an extra I like in my name,
43:46
Speaker 2: Claire and I have a website and some social media.
43:54
Speaker 2: We're working on it. So that's how claritytime dot com. Yes,
44:00
Speaker 2: claritytime dot com or at clarity time.
44:04
Speaker 3: At clarity time, okay, And we'll link everything in the
44:07
Speaker 3: in the show notes, any anything else you'd just like
44:11
Speaker 3: to share, one last thing or one thing you wish
44:13
Speaker 3: people will walk away with today.
44:16
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, good question. Oh man, oh man, I
44:27
Speaker 2: could just go down. I could go I could I
44:29
Speaker 2: could ramble, I could really ramble on. Is there anything
44:32
Speaker 2: that is there anything that you think that that you
44:35
Speaker 2: wish people like? Is there something that I haven't necessarily
44:39
Speaker 2: touched on in in that that you've experienced with me
44:42
Speaker 2: that you would like?
44:45
Speaker 4: I don't, No, I mean, I love you, I adore you.
44:50
Speaker 4: I recommend you ten out of ten five stars all
44:54
Speaker 4: the time. And yeah, I just I just love you
44:58
Speaker 4: and appreciate the work you put you put out there,
45:01
Speaker 4: and I think I think the beautiful thing you do
45:04
Speaker 4: is you remind us.
45:05
Speaker 3: Of the energy of unconditional love.
45:09
Speaker 4: You can call it whatever you want out there, but
45:11
Speaker 4: that it's that it's there for us to tap into
45:13
Speaker 4: any time within ourselves and outside of ourselves. We're all
45:16
Speaker 4: we're all connected in that in that way. And yeah,
45:22
Speaker 4: again that it's we have everything within us to heal
45:25
Speaker 4: and that, Yeah, that's what I think.
45:29
Speaker 3: That's what your your work reminds me of.
45:32
Speaker 2: Or yeah, I feel like I feel like a little
45:34
Speaker 2: like uh like a little energy working like mechanic sometimes
45:40
Speaker 2: like that's sort of fairy or fairy. Yeah, I like
45:43
Speaker 2: that too. I like that too. And I do love
45:46
Speaker 2: I do love getting I do love getting the opportunity
45:49
Speaker 2: to just sort of see all the all the like
45:50
Speaker 2: fairies and angels and all of all of that, all
45:53
Speaker 2: that all that fun stuff that sort of supports supports
45:57
Speaker 2: the like the hard.
45:58
Speaker 4: Work of I think what I love is how much
46:02
Speaker 4: you love this work. That's I think that's what sticks
46:04
Speaker 4: out to me, Like you really really have reverence and
46:08
Speaker 4: love for these modalities. And I feel like you put
46:11
Speaker 4: a spin or a twist on it. That's that's quite different,
46:15
Speaker 4: and that's your little your little magic spark.
46:18
Speaker 2: I do. I do think that. I do think that even.
46:21
Speaker 3: Your own energetic blueprint on this for sure.
46:24
Speaker 2: So I do think, I do you're that's a different
46:28
Speaker 2: I do think that, Like I have a perspective that
46:31
Speaker 2: even even the sort of even if you feel like
46:36
Speaker 2: your space is haunted or it feels like there's something
46:38
Speaker 2: negative happening, it's it's to me, it's all it's all
46:41
Speaker 2: created by source. So so there is an element of
46:45
Speaker 2: like it's still all like I don't know if there's
46:49
Speaker 2: a kind of bravery, there's a kind of like it's
46:52
Speaker 2: I don't know I'm going to start rambling and start
46:55
Speaker 2: talking about ghosts, so we'll just.
46:57
Speaker 4: Well just yes, yes, yes, yes, but you come at
47:02
Speaker 4: this with with courage and groundedness when when you're in
47:05
Speaker 4: that when you're especially when you're in that energetic space.
47:08
Speaker 4: And yeah, I love it. I appreciate it. And yeah,
47:12
Speaker 4: thank you for being on today, Claire, and for your
47:15
Speaker 4: time and for your wisdom, and thank you to all
47:18
Speaker 4: of those who have listened with open ears and eyes.
47:22
Speaker 4: And yeah, at the at the very least, again, I
47:26
Speaker 4: hope this takes you down a curious, a curious road
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Speaker 4: to find out, to find out more or to Claire, thanks.
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Speaker 2: So much, thanks so much, Christian for this opportunity. I
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Speaker 2: really appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, every night, okay, all right, love you, Love you
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Speaker 3: for everyone listening and watching. Take good care, n