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05 - Jacqueline Frederick: Elegence & beautiful creation through ART · Reframe

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SPEAKER_04: Thank you and welcome to Reframe.
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SPEAKER_04: Sit back and hear her story from chasing the dream of becoming an actress in New York and Los Angeles to her journey into abstract art.
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SPEAKER_04: We hope you enjoy this show.
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SPEAKER_04: Today we're talking to Jaclyn Frederick.
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SPEAKER_04: Welcome to the show, where we're honored to have you.
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SPEAKER_01: Hey guys, thanks for having me.
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SPEAKER_01: Carl Dean.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a pleasure.
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SPEAKER_03: Lovely to have you here today.
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SPEAKER_03: It's such a sunny, lovely day in Thurul where we're hanging out today.
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SPEAKER_03: Almost too nice to be in sword.
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SPEAKER_01: Almost way too nice.
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SPEAKER_03: Jacqueline's gladly given up some of her amazing time to come talk to us about her beautiful creations that she does.
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SPEAKER_03: Um so yeah, I guess today we'll we'll dive into that and find out more about you, Jacqueline.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, cool.
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SPEAKER_01: Again, thanks for having me.
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SPEAKER_03: You're more than welcome.
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SPEAKER_01: Excited to give a little bit of my um insight on art and chat with you guys today.
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SPEAKER_04: Let's um kick it off a little bit and um learn, we're gonna have our listeners learn a little bit about you and and where you come from and your background and and your intro into art.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so um I'm American, not Canadian.
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SPEAKER_01: Some people get confused with accents here.
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SPEAKER_01: Um I'm Hawaiian from Hawaii.
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SPEAKER_04: The best part of America.
2:46
SPEAKER_01: Best part.
2:47
SPEAKER_01: So when you're in Europe, you don't say I'm from America, you say you're from Hawaii.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: Um but been living here in Australia almost four years, loving it.
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SPEAKER_01: Love Ilawora.
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SPEAKER_01: A great place to be.
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SPEAKER_01: And um yeah, so art has always just been something in my life.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh originally I went to school in New York.
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SPEAKER_01: So I think when I lived there, so much influence of art started in my early 20s as something that I just fell in love with.
3:23
SPEAKER_01: So I went to the New York Film Academy where um I thought I was gonna be an actress.
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SPEAKER_01: But there you learned so much more through directing and filming and writing and editing that you fall in love with the whole process.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So in the way that was my intro to art, obviously not so much as painting, but in the form of acting it was.
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SPEAKER_01: So from there, I've lived in Los Angeles probably about seven years before I moved here to Australia, which again, just another very openly artsy city.
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SPEAKER_01: And you just can't escape how much you just like love all of it.
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SPEAKER_01: So yeah, so much influence has throughout places I've lived, and just life in general has brought me to now being a working artist and opening a studio, which I'm thrilled about.
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SPEAKER_01: And now selling my art professionally for two years, and it's growing, and I'm enjoying every minute of it.
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SPEAKER_04: That's fantastic.
4:32
SPEAKER_04: How did you find um the film industry um uh when you came to realization that you're you're further builder?
4:39
SPEAKER_04: Guys, I mean, how how do you even like comprehend that?
4:43
SPEAKER_04: Like that's that's insane.
4:44
SPEAKER_03: That was a that was like a full sidebar there.
4:46
SPEAKER_03: It came here like I was like working.
4:48
SPEAKER_03: I was like, what?
4:49
SPEAKER_01: But I keep some hidden gems, keep some hidden gems for you guys.
4:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you like dropped a bomb on us there.
4:55
SPEAKER_04: Did you do like a bit more like uh DOP sort of work, or were you behind the scenes like doing uh what what was your well acting was definitely the goal, like through high school, you know, it's always oh I'm just gonna be an actress.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Always loved it.
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SPEAKER_01: Always, always thought that was just the end goal.
5:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's funny sometimes when I get my mind set on something, I can't change it.
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SPEAKER_02: So totally driven.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, you just like my father, bless his heart, was like, I wanted to be an actress to an artist.
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SPEAKER_01: And he was like, Oh, just she's never gonna work in an office.
5:27
SPEAKER_01: She's just not built for the cubicle.
5:30
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: But um I got an agent at age 20, yeah, then got a few roles in Hawaii, Wai Fibo, certain things like that, which really piqued my interest to want to just craft my being an actress.
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SPEAKER_01: So then naturally the next move was to go study.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, which I did.
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SPEAKER_01: So I moved to New York City, probably what, 2011, 2012 I was there.
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SPEAKER_01: Did a course at the New York Film Academy and just thought this is endgame.
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SPEAKER_01: Not only do I have some acting under my belt, but now I'm also going to be a naturally um trained actress.
6:11
SPEAKER_01: So New York was a great, great influence.
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SPEAKER_01: And but then there, just living out of places like Soho, New York, Sundays they opened up the streets to all the artists, and New York's just a beautiful hub for everything.
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SPEAKER_01: So you would walk the streets and then painting was always something I always like enjoyed to do as a hobby.
6:31
SPEAKER_01: But when I started to really take it in more and more in places like that, I discovered that I don't know if acting is so much what I love or if it's just being an artist in general.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
6:45
SPEAKER_01: Which is they they go hand in hand, but you know, it's all on out.
6:49
SPEAKER_01: You start to just grow as a person.
6:51
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
6:52
SPEAKER_01: So then um, yeah.
6:54
SPEAKER_01: After I study there, next next move was Los Angeles.
6:57
SPEAKER_01: And there I went.
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SPEAKER_01: And there I found myself and lost myself all in my twenties.
7:03
SPEAKER_01: That's a good time.
7:04
SPEAKER_04: Perfect timing.
7:05
SPEAKER_01: Perfect timing.
7:06
SPEAKER_04: I enjoyed that's what your 20s are for.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, it so is.
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SPEAKER_01: I always encourage like even my younger friends, like, go and do what you think you want or go full force with it, or whatever it is, because I learned so much of like who I want to be and who I'm going to be.
7:21
SPEAKER_01: That makes sense.
7:22
SPEAKER_04: But you've also got time to like once you work out what you want to do, you've got time then to recover from your mistakes.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh god, a hundred percent.
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SPEAKER_03: You always learn from the mistakes.
7:31
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
7:31
SPEAKER_03: That's the 20s is the time to make all of them.
7:33
SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness, for sure.
7:34
SPEAKER_03: That's where you become still making mistakes.
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SPEAKER_03: Let's say 30%.
7:38
SPEAKER_01: Right.
7:40
SPEAKER_03: You gotta keep making them to keep learning, right?
7:42
SPEAKER_03: Otherwise, you're not gonna keep improving yourself over your lifetime.
7:45
SPEAKER_01: Oh, for sure.
7:46
SPEAKER_01: And Los Angeles is such a fun big playground in your 20s that I think that's definitely at one point I decided that not pursuing it as I should be.
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SPEAKER_01: So I gotta like take a turn and figure something else out.
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SPEAKER_01: But um yeah, after that, met my partner there, and he was eventually he's from Illawarra, so he's Australian.
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SPEAKER_01: Said, well, listen, I'm gonna move back to Australia in time.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe you come give it a go.
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SPEAKER_01: Which I was hesitant about.
8:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
8:17
SPEAKER_01: And it's not moving even from America to Australia.
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SPEAKER_01: It's moving from a place like Los Angeles to Woolagong, which is a little different.
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SPEAKER_06: Isn't it difficult?
8:26
SPEAKER_01: That's a big difference.
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SPEAKER_06: The change of pace.
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SPEAKER_01: Massive change of pace.
8:34
SPEAKER_01: Everyone speaks English, you know.
8:36
SPEAKER_01: It's not like I moved to like France or Spain or somewhere like that.
8:40
SPEAKER_04: You're lucky down on that cut.
8:41
SPEAKER_01: Yes, definitely.
8:42
SPEAKER_01: Because I've been to those countries and not speaking a foreign language is so difficult.
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SPEAKER_04: Especially, especially going to France.
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SPEAKER_04: Like that's another level.
8:49
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I just love it when the French just pretend they don't understand you.
8:52
SPEAKER_04: Oh, they do.
8:53
SPEAKER_03: You have to try French.
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SPEAKER_03: Otherwise, otherwise respecting us whether it's you a little bit.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh, one guy put a put us, Candace and I and my wife, on a um different train because we didn't know how to speak and we got lost.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm like, yeah, you gotta learn a little bit over there.
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unknown: Yep.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, and just living and learning, right?
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Going from Hawaii to New York, was that a big change for you?
9:21
SPEAKER_01: Because yeah, it's funny you pick that up because it really is.
9:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, island life is amazing.
9:27
SPEAKER_01: And you know, I'm sure a lot of Australians have gone to Hawaii and vice versa.
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SPEAKER_06: Yep.
9:32
SPEAKER_01: So living here in Delaware reminds me a bit of it.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, next to the beach.
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SPEAKER_01: Life isn't as chaotic as living in a large city.
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SPEAKER_01: So all my family's from there.
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SPEAKER_01: I have a giant Hawaiian family.
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SPEAKER_01: My dad's one of nine.
9:47
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
9:48
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
9:48
SPEAKER_01: So nine it's one of ten, sorry, excuse me.
9:51
SPEAKER_06: Wow.
9:52
SPEAKER_01: So lots of cousins.
9:53
SPEAKER_01: Everyone has families.
9:55
SPEAKER_01: So it's a beautiful lifestyle.
9:57
SPEAKER_01: But um I just definitely was itching for more.
10:01
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, once I like arrived in New York, I was a little overwhelmed.
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SPEAKER_01: And then over time I just absolutely fell in love with it.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm I'm grateful for moving around and living in these places because it even transitioning here to Australia has just made it easier because I'm used to making new friends and embracing new cultures and just, you know, not being too scared to start over.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: So nice.
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SPEAKER_03: So where did you end up transitioning from your acting world into painting?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So um again, in my spare time in Los Angeles, I really started to paint a lot.
10:38
SPEAKER_01: Now my style was a lot different.
10:39
SPEAKER_01: You know, you're just honing and just enjoying it and just painting whatever inspires you.
10:46
SPEAKER_01: But it was always sort of down the abstract route.
10:49
SPEAKER_01: And um, as far as my line work goes, when I draw women and body shapes and et cetera, it definitely has evolved from there.
10:58
SPEAKER_01: But um yeah, I've always painted which is funny because I just never thought about it being something I did as a profession.
11:07
SPEAKER_01: I always consider it just a hobby.
11:09
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So taking that leap from being a um doing something as a hobby that you enjoy and then wanting to make it a business is kind of scary.
11:18
SPEAKER_03: It is, yeah.
11:20
SPEAKER_01: You guys are photographers.
11:21
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you're you're very brave, actually.
11:23
SPEAKER_03: And I that's awesome.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I feel like anyone in the arts, or in general, when you take that you know, that's like I think the biggest thing I've learned in these last few years is this that confidence.
11:34
SPEAKER_01: Because with art, it's like pretty subjective.
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SPEAKER_01: So some people can look at what you do and be like, oh, I can do that.
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SPEAKER_01: Or you know, or it's like some people don't get abstract and they love to see realism.
11:46
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
11:46
SPEAKER_01: Or like to see a painted landscape.
11:49
SPEAKER_01: So you have to like when you finish a piece, look at it and just feel confident that this is something I find beautiful that I made.
11:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
11:57
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, sorry, back to your original question.
12:00
SPEAKER_03: That's all right.
12:01
SPEAKER_03: We can you can say you can go off track as much as you like.
12:04
SPEAKER_03: Because we do that too.
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SPEAKER_03: We appreciate other people doing the same thing.
12:11
SPEAKER_01: So these people have minds go everywhere.
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SPEAKER_01: It really does.
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SPEAKER_01: So you're always like, I'm assuming, because you guys are in the arts as well, like always just thinking and like visualizing, and like like you said earlier, um, you have an idea of the next thing you want to photograph or the way you want your photos to be perceived.
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SPEAKER_01: So even sometimes just laying in bed thinking, like, oh, like I know exactly how I want to paint when I wake up tomorrow morning.
12:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
12:39
SPEAKER_01: So it's just like you have to be like a very visual person.
12:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think obviously I think most painters or photographers or sculptors would agree.
12:50
SPEAKER_01: It's just definitely to be able to like envision things.
12:54
SPEAKER_01: And that's a part of applying it to life, to like art, wanting to be an artist and being an artist are two different things.
13:02
SPEAKER_01: And then just like anything else, it's there's a business side to it.
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SPEAKER_01: So you can paint your heart out day and night, but if you're not selling them or putting yourself out there, there's no one gonna know that you exist.
13:16
SPEAKER_03: That's exactly right.
13:17
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, almost if you don't put yourself out there and you expect to make sales, it's it's almost a little bit arrogant.
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SPEAKER_03: Like people should just come to me.
13:25
SPEAKER_03: It's like if you don't put yourself in the public eye, if people dismiss you.
13:30
SPEAKER_04: The work just doesn't sell itself anymore because there's so many of us doing it, so many people.
13:35
SPEAKER_04: And if yes, and if you're not putting yourself out there, you're gonna be missed.
13:38
SPEAKER_04: You're gonna be following.
13:38
SPEAKER_03: Oh my goodness, I hope you're not gonna be able to do even just look at Instagram now.
13:41
SPEAKER_03: Like, look at how many since we started this, and following particularly more artists now, then we should just follow photographers and whatever else we follow.
13:51
SPEAKER_03: Even though we liked art, we just found ourselves stuck in one circle.
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SPEAKER_03: I now I'm finding there's this there's so many artists that I I I never imagined to be that just in the in the project.
14:02
SPEAKER_03: We just even in Ilawora, right?
14:04
SPEAKER_01: But that is very true.
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SPEAKER_01: Like sometimes you think, like, oh my God, I'm doing something so unique and special.
14:10
SPEAKER_01: And you're like, wow, there's a lot of well, I think because we now have social media platforms to really like anyone can showcase what they can do, whether you're selling like handmade jewelry to you know, little coasters to f handmade furniture.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like there's so much out there.
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SPEAKER_01: And it can be daunting.
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SPEAKER_01: It's sometimes daunting as an article.
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SPEAKER_03: There's also enough room for everybody as well.
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SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_03: I actually really enjoy watching your reels, how you create your paintings.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
14:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
14:38
SPEAKER_03: Because I I watch it and then I'm like, what is this?
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SPEAKER_03: You're pouring on the paint and things like that.
14:42
SPEAKER_01: So I'm really interested in how you like what's your methodology behind how you make your your pictures and definitely started out just um playing around with different textures and paints, oil paints, acrylics, a mixture of different mediums.
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SPEAKER_01: And I found for me, I'm enjoying mixing my acrylics with water.
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SPEAKER_01: But you even that it's you're playing around with ratios.
15:08
SPEAKER_01: And another slightly different technique is I'm painting on raw canvas.
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SPEAKER_03: How does that work?
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SPEAKER_01: So um it's oddly enough, it's you can't buy too many stretched raw canvases.
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SPEAKER_01: So um now I go out of my way to make my own.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm just not gessoing um the canvas.
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SPEAKER_01: So a lot of times when you buy them in store, they're white, they're primed, ready to go, where I'm priming them myself with a clear primer.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Gesso.
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SPEAKER_01: And the way you paint on them with the acrylic in the water and I have been miss now recently mixing mediums, um, even dabbling with some spray paint, you know, um oil pastels.
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SPEAKER_01: But the way it lays on the raw canvas just kind of seats differently.
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SPEAKER_01: I I I absolutely love it.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't I I it's probably an artist thing, but oh, I just when I start to paint on them, it's just a totally different ballgame.
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SPEAKER_03: What what do you think?
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SPEAKER_03: What's for people listening?
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SPEAKER_03: Because I'm trying to learn exactly what what exactly is the difference for you when you're painting it compared to like on a primed canvas when you buy it?
16:20
SPEAKER_01: It's funny, it's almost like you're um if you were to like paint on the canvas of your lounge or a t-shirt, the way the texture of it is seeping into the paints.
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SPEAKER_01: So honestly, it is a lot of trial and error.
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SPEAKER_01: I've had um other artists reach out to me asking me questions like I love what you do.
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SPEAKER_01: How do you get those textures?
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SPEAKER_01: How do you like what's your ratio?
16:45
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, it's I give them the basics and then I go, go from there.
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SPEAKER_01: Like mess around.
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SPEAKER_01: Don't be afraid to mess up a few canvases.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
16:54
SPEAKER_01: Don't be scared to try something new.
16:57
SPEAKER_01: Just know that like the more you do, the better you'll get at finding what your niche is.
17:03
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
17:03
SPEAKER_03: It's the the theory of 10,000 hours, right?
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SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
17:06
SPEAKER_03: If you spend 10,000 hours on anything, you become like a master of it.
17:10
SPEAKER_03: Uh like so true.
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SPEAKER_03: You know, progress and repeat your actions, you just become a master at it.
17:17
SPEAKER_04: Does um does the the the color, like the raw canvas, does that change the um the tonality of the paint color?
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SPEAKER_04: Um absolutely.
17:25
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so does the ratio of water to acrylic.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
17:29
SPEAKER_01: So you're you're messing with so many different elements that it's hard for me to tell give someone one answer.
17:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:37
SPEAKER_01: Because even me, as I'm always like progressing as an artist, I'm finding when I paint sometimes like that, I'm like, oh my god, I love that.
17:45
SPEAKER_01: That was I wasn't intending for that.
17:48
SPEAKER_01: So let me write down my notes and remember note-taking is really a big key as well.
17:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:54
SPEAKER_01: Because you'll mix colors and go back and be like, how did I get that like off green?
18:00
SPEAKER_01: Because I now want to do three more other pieces in the same one.
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SPEAKER_01: So note-taking is really important.
18:06
SPEAKER_03: So when you with your note-taking, do you make up little um color palette boards?
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SPEAKER_03: And so you sort of have your palettes and you have like, do you have degradations where you've graduation where you have like a white with gray and this color made this color?
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SPEAKER_03: For sure.
18:19
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Also, too.
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SPEAKER_01: Um I now I've been um expanding my work to be larger and larger, because I'm just when I see the large abstracts of games, I just love it.
18:30
SPEAKER_01: It's just so for someone like I like to think of my art as art for interiors.
18:35
SPEAKER_01: So art you hang in your home, in your office, that sort of thing.
18:39
SPEAKER_01: Well, where most art is hung.
18:41
SPEAKER_01: But I think I keep it a very minimalistic where it can fit in most homes, what I'm saying.
18:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:47
SPEAKER_04: It's almost your your work's also timeless as well.
18:51
SPEAKER_04: I think the colors like I think you could adapt your art to any um setting in in your home.
18:57
SPEAKER_04: Like you could put like nice blue, like navy blue with your work, or you could put a pink because you've got that warm tone, or you could put a green.
19:04
SPEAKER_04: Like it doesn't matter what you put your work with, because I think it will work.
19:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
19:08
SPEAKER_04: I think that's the appealing thing for me as well, looking at your work.
19:11
SPEAKER_01: So I think even when I get a lot of um reach outs for commissions, yeah.
19:15
SPEAKER_01: It kind I love seeing kind of people's minds go wild as well.
19:20
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's not like, oh, I just want a painting of this mountain.
19:23
SPEAKER_01: I want this color scheme.
19:26
SPEAKER_01: And I saw something like this you did, but could make it more aqua because I live next to the beach.
19:32
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
19:33
SPEAKER_01: So I actually thoroughly enjoy hearing people describe how they want me to paint their commissions.
19:39
SPEAKER_01: And it's funny, people have artistic visions as well.
19:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
19:44
SPEAKER_04: It's kind of refreshing, isn't it?
19:46
SPEAKER_01: It's so refreshing.
19:47
SPEAKER_01: Even the way sometimes people describe the colors they're after.
19:50
SPEAKER_01: Like I have this one client, and she's like, I just like dirty tones in like and she's like, in in like sea green, in like, I don't know, like the color moss.
20:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
20:01
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, you if she heard herself for me as an artist, I'm like, you're speaking in art terms, right?
20:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
20:08
SPEAKER_01: Enjoy that.
20:09
SPEAKER_04: But then probably in the in the other breath, they'd say, I'm not an artist.
20:12
SPEAKER_04: I'm not artistic in what you've just described something that is.
20:15
SPEAKER_04: You just don't understand they don't have to be a good idea.
20:17
SPEAKER_04: Not a realization of how artistic they might actually be.
20:19
SPEAKER_04: Oh, everyone's artistic.
20:21
SPEAKER_04: They've just gotta they've just gotta look inside and like and pull it out.
20:25
SPEAKER_04: That's all it is.
20:26
SPEAKER_04: I agree.
20:26
SPEAKER_01: Like people can be very creative, but some people aren't out there looking to be creative on a daily basis.
20:33
SPEAKER_01: You know, you like some people, it just is like probably like us, very fulfilling.
20:39
SPEAKER_01: And for others, they're it's fulfilling to see what others are capable of doing and hanging that in their home.
20:44
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
20:45
SPEAKER_01: So I understand art collectors, because even being an artist, I love collecting art.
20:50
SPEAKER_01: And some of the pieces that hang in my home are completely different than what I do.
20:54
SPEAKER_01: But I just love to see what like we're capable of.
20:58
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
20:59
SPEAKER_03: I think that's that's my that's always the goal.
21:01
SPEAKER_03: I always buy work that I wouldn't produce when I buy other artists work.
21:04
SPEAKER_03: Like I look for that because it's like, why don't I I'm never gonna do that?
21:07
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, exactly.
21:09
SPEAKER_03: You embrace their work and their style.
21:11
SPEAKER_03: I think that's it.
21:12
SPEAKER_04: It's so easy to compensate.
21:14
SPEAKER_04: Isn't it?
21:14
SPEAKER_04: Like, especially with photographers, it's so easy to go, oh, I like that photo.
21:17
SPEAKER_04: I can go do that.
21:21
SPEAKER_04: I'm sure it probably happens in painting as well.
21:23
SPEAKER_04: But I mean, like, it's it's not hard just to go, I really like what that person's doing.
21:27
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, why should I go do that?
21:29
SPEAKER_04: That's them.
21:29
SPEAKER_04: Let's fraud them, buy their work, and then go onto this way and do our own thing as well.
21:34
SPEAKER_04: I mean, buying people's work is the best thing ever.
21:38
SPEAKER_01: There's a pretty famous quote.
21:39
SPEAKER_01: I want to say it's I can't put my finger what famous artist it was, but I just love it more than anything is when people say, Oh, I could do that.
21:49
SPEAKER_01: And then your response is, Well, you didn't.
21:53
SPEAKER_03: Right.
21:54
SPEAKER_03: I could take that with my iPhone.
21:56
SPEAKER_03: That's the fun we get from photographer uh photography.
21:58
SPEAKER_03: You're like, I could do that with my iPhone, but You didn't.
22:00
unknown: Yeah.
22:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but see, I think for phot photographers, what people are forgetting is that with an iPhone, you just open your screen, you flip a pick, you take it.
22:10
SPEAKER_01: But there's actually so much more.
22:12
SPEAKER_01: I've dabbled in photography.
22:14
SPEAKER_01: And there's I don't even want to get next to a proper camera.
22:18
SPEAKER_01: There's just too many buttons and too many different settings.
22:23
SPEAKER_01: And it's actually way more complicating than there are too many buttons, even for us.
22:28
SPEAKER_01: Oh gosh.
22:28
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, how do you guys know?
22:30
SPEAKER_01: Like, but again, it's your craft.
22:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:33
SPEAKER_01: But even for photography, like there are just certain aspects to it that people don't understand that go into it.
22:40
SPEAKER_04: The good thing about the cameras these days is that a lot of the buttons are customizable.
22:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
22:44
SPEAKER_04: So you you you can actually put whatever you whatever you use the most, you can put in those buttons so it makes sense.
22:49
SPEAKER_04: Like where the older ones, it's like, I don't want that there.
22:51
SPEAKER_03: Like I'm so basic.
22:53
SPEAKER_03: I use the absolute raw film settings you could use on the camera where it's it literally aperture, shutter speed, and ISO.
23:01
SPEAKER_03: And that's it.
23:01
SPEAKER_03: I don't, I don't touch any other setting on the camera.
23:03
SPEAKER_04: You can like shoot full old school, like I don't, I don't want anything in fact, like you're having a paintbrush that you don't use just to have it.
23:11
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
23:11
SPEAKER_03: That's literally, yeah.
23:12
SPEAKER_03: You got like, look at all the functionality here.
23:14
SPEAKER_03: I don't know what any of it does.
23:16
SPEAKER_01: Just so just like behind there, just clicking away, and people are like, whoa.
23:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:20
SPEAKER_01: Really just like turning the flash on and off.
23:24
SPEAKER_04: Um what's uh what let me start again.
23:28
SPEAKER_04: Sorry.
23:29
SPEAKER_04: Um how how long did it take you to get to where you when you started to what you're creating now?
23:35
SPEAKER_04: And I know it's probably um constantly evolving, but to your point right now, how like how long was the transition or is that um great question.
23:44
SPEAKER_01: Um gosh, so when I say back when I lived in Los Angeles and even my younger years and when you're in high school and always have been into drawing.
23:56
SPEAKER_01: But for me to get to where I am now, it really took um God, I hate to say this, but COVID helped, you know, like us being stuck at home, taking a step back from work, realizing like, oh, like what a like I have the spare time.
24:13
SPEAKER_01: Let me really start to just have fun with this.
24:16
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
24:16
SPEAKER_01: And I think during that break in life is like what I like to look at it, like really was like a pause in life.
24:22
SPEAKER_01: Really helped me to mess around with everything.
24:25
SPEAKER_01: I just went ham and I bought acrylics and you know, all sorts of oil pastels and like just went into the art store and just started really chipping away at everything.
24:35
SPEAKER_01: So the large abstracts I do now really was honed in these last two years.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: And when I started out, I thought, oh, this is cool.
24:48
SPEAKER_01: I really, I'm really enjoying this style of painting.
24:51
SPEAKER_01: And then again, over time, just messing around with different mediums and really just throwing myself into the studio.
25:00
SPEAKER_01: I honed exactly what how I want it to look and what I want it to be.
25:05
SPEAKER_01: So I would say my biggest leap in professional art was in these last two to three years.
25:12
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
25:12
unknown: Yep.
25:13
SPEAKER_04: That's the best use of time, wasn't it?
25:15
SPEAKER_04: I think COVID was it was a pretty traumatic time for a lot of people.
25:19
SPEAKER_04: But it was also a positive time for people to actually go, you know what?
25:22
SPEAKER_04: I don't need to do this anymore.
25:23
SPEAKER_04: I can just go out like you've done, and you've you you hone your craft and you sit down and you go, This is where I want to go.
25:29
SPEAKER_04: Gave you time to think almost.
25:31
SPEAKER_01: Definitely just time, like it was a pause in life.
25:34
SPEAKER_01: You were like stuck at home.
25:35
SPEAKER_01: Took a negative and made a positive.
25:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:37
SPEAKER_01: So you know, I like to think that.
25:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:39
SPEAKER_01: But again, I hate to like embellish what how I took out what I took from COVID because again, it was such like a difficult time for some and not so great time for others.
25:53
SPEAKER_01: But my experience was like, it wasn't like, oh my God, this is amazing, but at least I took something out of it that now I'm like so thankful for.
26:02
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
26:02
SPEAKER_04: Well, it's a way not to waste those, those two, three years as well.
26:06
SPEAKER_04: Like you didn't waste time.
26:07
SPEAKER_04: I mean, there's a lot of people who just go, wait a those three years, like myself included, but I still worked on things.
26:12
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
26:12
SPEAKER_04: I mean, there's a lot of time that has gone from people's lives.
26:16
SPEAKER_04: And I think the best way, I think you've you've handled it really well by creating and and pushing forward.
26:22
unknown: Yeah.
26:23
SPEAKER_01: Well, I like I you don't have to be a professional artist to enjoy the art.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: No, not at all.
26:28
SPEAKER_01: I just encourage like anyone, whether you're an elderly person with more time in your hands, or you're someone who has high anxiety or stressed out a lot.
26:38
SPEAKER_01: However, you find some sort of relaxation through it, whether it's just playing around with some play-doh and sculpting something small, like Play-Doh was so fun.
26:46
SPEAKER_00: Play-doh, right?
26:48
SPEAKER_03: I remember making my own play-doh as a kid, just like with salt and flour, sticking it together, you know?
26:54
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
26:55
SPEAKER_01: It's funny because like I'm now 26 weeks pregnant, my first child.
26:59
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
27:00
SPEAKER_01: And I find it such an important thing that I want to make sure the arts are in their life.
27:05
SPEAKER_01: And like you said, it's like as a kid, just playing around and being creative with small things like that.
27:11
SPEAKER_01: It just really can go a long way.
27:13
SPEAKER_01: And I feel like I was always a creative kid.
27:15
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
27:16
SPEAKER_01: So I'm thankful that it's always stuck with me throughout the years.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: And here I am now, just doing what I love.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:23
SPEAKER_03: I'm really interested to know.
27:25
SPEAKER_03: Like when I see uh abstracts, um, I reckon they have a really like minimalist and bold feminine energy.
27:33
SPEAKER_03: Even if there's no context to what it is, it always has some kind of femininity, I reckon.
27:37
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
27:38
SPEAKER_03: And I I'd like to know, is that like pre-visualized or is it something that you in the moment you create?
27:44
SPEAKER_01: So um what I'm categorized as an abstract painter or intuitive abstract.
27:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what's fun but difficult sometimes about that is when you paint a beautiful portrait of a tree or a beach scenery, you see it and that's what you're mimicking.
28:02
SPEAKER_01: Where when you are painting large or abstracts in general, it's more of like visualizing how you want it to be, but paint doesn't always lay that way.
28:13
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
28:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like I'm just like a move this in the direction I want.
28:19
SPEAKER_01: It is.
28:19
SPEAKER_01: So sometimes it can be so daunting.
28:22
SPEAKER_01: So when I do these small studies, like when you're asking earlier about testing paints and you get like just some leftover canvas and you want to see how that's gonna look, it's is important to do your studies because you don't want to just go rogue on a giant canvas you just paid a lot of money for and took a lot of time to build.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: And it uh one of my favorite questions when people ask me, how long does it take to paint one of these?
28:48
SPEAKER_03: And I have a piece of string.
28:50
SPEAKER_01: I have no need answered for that.
28:53
SPEAKER_03: Every painting would take a different amount of time.
28:54
SPEAKER_03: 100%.
28:55
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
28:56
SPEAKER_01: Because it's funny, sometimes you just start and your first layers, and again, it's always like playing.
29:02
SPEAKER_01: It's hard sometimes to like step away from abstracts.
29:05
SPEAKER_01: You don't know if there's enough, or if you don't you don't know if like there could be more, or if you done too much and now you just don't you wish you could have taken what I so like a really important for other artists who want to dabble in this is you can always add, but you can't subtract.
29:20
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
29:20
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
29:21
SPEAKER_01: So a big lesson I've learned is start, don't feel like you have to finish it immediately.
29:28
SPEAKER_01: Where I'm someone who like, I just love to get things done.
29:30
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
29:31
SPEAKER_01: You just want to see the finished product already.
29:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:33
SPEAKER_01: You know, when you're like decorating your home or something, you just want to be all finished.
29:36
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
29:36
SPEAKER_01: Where I've learned to not rush the process because I'll start, do a few layers, sit on it, come back and be like, oh, you know what?
29:45
SPEAKER_01: I'm glad I didn't add anything else.
29:47
SPEAKER_01: I'm loving how this is looking now.
29:49
SPEAKER_01: It's almost like taking like a selfie or a photo of yourself, right?
29:51
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you take a photo of yourself and you're like, these are shit.
29:55
SPEAKER_01: Pardon my language.
29:55
SPEAKER_03: These are sorry.
29:57
SPEAKER_03: It depends what time what time of day is it?
29:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's all right.
30:00
SPEAKER_03: Why would I do that?
30:03
SPEAKER_01: You know, since a wedding, I look good.
30:04
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna take a few photos.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: Definitely want to maybe post a bit.
30:08
SPEAKER_01: And then you look at them later and you're like, I look terrible in all of these.
30:11
SPEAKER_04: I don't take selfies for that exact reason.
30:14
SPEAKER_01: So I think I think the selfie has definitely taken a step back because most people are like, this is a little overwhelming.
30:21
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
30:22
SPEAKER_03: It's I think it's going a lot more towards looking like someone else is always taking it for you.
30:26
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
30:26
SPEAKER_03: Which is where these tripods have come out with these the ring light tripods.
30:30
SPEAKER_01: Everyone's their own photographer nowadays.
30:32
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
30:32
SPEAKER_04: But it's so accessible.
30:34
SPEAKER_04: But it's great.
30:34
SPEAKER_04: I mean, if people taking photos and uh it's it's great because it gets them thinking in a different medium.
30:39
SPEAKER_04: And same with drawing and painting.
30:41
SPEAKER_04: I mean, the more people doing it, the better, because then I mean, otherwise people are just gonna be bored out of their mind watching Netflix and and wasting time.
30:50
SPEAKER_04: And at least if they're out enjoying outside taking a photo or painting.
30:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's an that's actually a great way of looking at it.
30:57
SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, there's a lot of um hit or miss with social medias, but in that aspect, I do look at it as a great tool.
31:05
SPEAKER_01: And I look at social media too.
31:06
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm not doing too much of gallery showings at the moment.
31:12
SPEAKER_01: And I found that having socials I've been a great way of me growing my business.
31:20
SPEAKER_01: And a lot of people would say the same.
31:21
SPEAKER_03: Like you utilize them the correct way, it can be so like it's a powerful tool if you if you especially if you can hit the market right.
31:30
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
31:31
SPEAKER_03: If your content is getting out to the right people, you're you're you're definitely hitting the nail of the head then.
31:37
unknown: Yeah.
31:38
SPEAKER_04: I was saying just before um you arrived, and I was we're talking uh Carl's talking and we're saying um how well you do your um videos and your reels.
31:49
SPEAKER_04: I think it's great.
31:50
SPEAKER_04: You watch it from the start to the finish and your whole pro whole process.
31:54
SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, but it's not just you, other artists seem to do that really well.
31:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but with photographers, we just go, here's a behind the scenes sort of less effort.
32:03
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he's always the artist.
32:05
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and then it's we could also do that with the editing process, but it's like, oh, here's a guy just uh using a computer or a female or a girl or whoever um using a computer.
32:16
SPEAKER_04: I I I really enjoyed the your watching your process because you get a great insight into how you do um your work.
32:24
SPEAKER_04: I know it's sped up over um quickly, but you can tell that it there is a a big process in it.
32:29
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
32:30
SPEAKER_01: Well, I think I've found the balance of it being sort of like a blog too.
32:35
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
32:36
SPEAKER_01: Like it's so easy to just take a photo of your artwork and put it up on for people to see.
32:42
SPEAKER_01: But when some people get to like feel like they're involved, um, I think, you know, they're just they feel more inclined to watch more or see how things are done.
32:52
SPEAKER_04: I get to know.
32:56
SPEAKER_03: When I see the artists behind the scenes like yours, it it's it is it's really intriguing because you're like, oh, this is somebody actually creating something.
33:03
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
33:04
SPEAKER_03: But I think when you watch a photographer, it's like we're like, oh, there's a camera.
33:08
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
33:09
SPEAKER_03: I think maybe it doesn't look quite as interesting.
33:11
SPEAKER_01: No, no, but you know, I actually find that I love sometimes when you see like the the first scene is a shot of how like a girl dancing in the rain.
33:20
SPEAKER_01: Is that an example?
33:21
SPEAKER_01: And then the next shot is how the photographer got that.
33:26
SPEAKER_01: Meaning, um, was there a glass of water in front of her?
33:30
SPEAKER_01: Or I do find those those um reels or videos I find fascinating.
33:36
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I find them so cool.
33:37
SPEAKER_01: I love to see how things are made.
33:39
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
33:39
SPEAKER_01: And I think most people do.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, like think about all the cooking sh videos that are out there or like a few of those because I'm like, oh, that looks nice.
33:48
SPEAKER_04: I made that.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you know, like even YouTube is a phenomenal thing for learning.
33:53
SPEAKER_01: So and for young artists out there or starting out artists out there, there's so much you can teach yourself.
34:01
SPEAKER_01: And YouTube's a great way.
34:03
SPEAKER_01: Like I learned to stretch my own canvases.
34:05
SPEAKER_01: I learned so much about things that uh proper artists get to learn in school just by being like curious and wanting to know more and more about everything.
34:16
SPEAKER_01: What different mediums do, or how do you make something more glossy or more matte, or there's just so much out there to learn that YouTube's is a phenomenal way to get some of that information off.
34:28
SPEAKER_01: But you know, nowadays reels are becoming more of like um how-tos as well.
34:32
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
34:32
SPEAKER_03: I've noticed that they have these really uh, I guess, um what do you call it?
34:41
SPEAKER_03: Reduced, summarized tutorials.
34:45
SPEAKER_03: I was looking for the word.
34:46
SPEAKER_03: I was trying to remember my England.
34:50
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, the summarized way of showing like uh an example, you you see it and you're like, wow, that's really cool.
34:56
SPEAKER_03: And you're like, how do I piece all the middle parts together?
34:59
SPEAKER_03: And then you can usually find it on YouTube because it's usually like a shortened version from there, and you can like dive in and be like, got it.
35:05
SPEAKER_04: I think the best thing Instagram did um as a whole was go from reels being 30 seconds to a minute and cycle story so you can fit more in for people who do um more tutorials.
35:18
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
35:18
SPEAKER_04: Definitely, definitely.
35:20
SPEAKER_01: Well, art's pretty fascinating for it too, because like you said, um you're kind of curious, like, how is she getting that paint to fall like that?
35:30
SPEAKER_01: Or you know, it's and and not just me, but then I fall in the loop of watching other artists do their things, like fluid painters or just someone who paint a phenomenal portrait of a person.
35:42
SPEAKER_01: Like I thoroughly enjoy watching people how they do take their craft and create for sure.
35:51
SPEAKER_04: How many canvases do you throw out?
35:53
SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh.
35:54
SPEAKER_06: Sorry.
35:54
SPEAKER_04: Oh, since about throwing us when you were talking about um, you know, you can't you um you can add, but you can't subtract.
36:01
SPEAKER_04: So I had it in my head just going, I wonder how many do you throw out?
36:05
SPEAKER_01: I've definitely have a nice little stack in my garage somewhere.
36:09
SPEAKER_01: Uh, like again, at first it used to stress me out, like, oh, I just built this and I had to, you know, tear it up and start all over.
36:16
SPEAKER_01: But then I've took now I've taken his lessons and I'm not so scared to start a canvas with like that anxiety of like, oh, what if I mess this one up?
36:27
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
36:28
SPEAKER_01: Because also they say, like, a great thing for artists who are starting like a large piece.
36:33
SPEAKER_01: Make some marks on it.
36:34
SPEAKER_01: Take a pencil if you want to, and scratch up a corner or something.
36:38
SPEAKER_01: Because once you don't have that perfect raw canvas anymore, you're not afraid to like start on it.
36:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:43
SPEAKER_01: And I do, I've gotten this question from other artists, like, how do you start?
36:47
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, you just start.
36:48
SPEAKER_01: You just gotta you gotta go for it.
36:49
SPEAKER_04: And that's a big question, though.
36:51
SPEAKER_04: How to start?
36:51
SPEAKER_04: I mean, it it is a valid question.
36:53
SPEAKER_04: Your journey is started with a step, right?
36:55
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
36:56
SPEAKER_03: You just have to like, like you said, go ham.
36:58
SPEAKER_03: You go like, yep, you have to get in it, you can be inspired, and it's like, I'm doing it right now, and just bang, throw some paint at it and go for it.
37:04
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
37:04
SPEAKER_03: If you don't start, you can't finish.
37:06
SPEAKER_03: So you've got to.
37:07
SPEAKER_00: And it's a big uh it's a big confidence game.
37:10
SPEAKER_01: And I think in the beginning I was a lot more nervous, like, oh my god, people want to find my work.
37:15
SPEAKER_01: You know, that's crazy.
37:17
SPEAKER_01: Where I'm not like at a cocky place, but I'm at a confident place.
37:21
SPEAKER_04: It's not you can be cocky because it's taking you a long time to create this work and and body work and and learn all this thing.
37:27
SPEAKER_04: So you can be that ego and that cockiness is allowed to be there, but I mean, it depends on how you want to put it.
37:34
SPEAKER_04: But it I think it's valid.
37:36
SPEAKER_04: I mean, in in a good way.
37:37
SPEAKER_04: It's not like you're like arrogant, you know.
37:40
SPEAKER_04: It's the cockiness in that is fine.
37:42
SPEAKER_00: Well, it you kind of want a cocky artist to be a photographer because that's how they do their best work.
37:47
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
37:48
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you get it out there, put it out there, and you're like it's particularly like, you know, some of the most successful artists have work that some people might consider as like maybe childish or and that is its own type of creation.
38:03
SPEAKER_03: But it's all about and they'll be the ones that sell for the biggest money.
38:06
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
38:07
SPEAKER_03: And tip the typical like person who's not involved in the art who doesn't see the art in that type of work, they're the ones who'll be like, that's like any child could paint that.
38:16
SPEAKER_03: It's like, yeah, but they didn't.
38:17
unknown: Yeah.
38:18
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
38:18
SPEAKER_04: And that's where the value can be.
38:20
SPEAKER_04: I can don't.
38:21
SPEAKER_04: I'll remember when I when I was a bit ignorant, like when I was first starting out in photography, I used to look at that and go, what that's not art.
38:29
SPEAKER_04: But then when you grow and you go and you actually think and you look and it goes, it is, it's all about that intent.
38:34
SPEAKER_06: Yep.
38:34
SPEAKER_04: And I mean, and and you can like I said, you can call it cockiness, but I think it's just um confidence in your work.
38:40
SPEAKER_04: Confidence in yourself.
38:41
SPEAKER_04: Cockiness.
38:42
SPEAKER_04: But outsiders can call you cocky, but I think it's more a confidence in your work that you know that you're doing something right.
38:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
38:49
SPEAKER_01: It all it all starts to play out in anything in life.
38:53
SPEAKER_01: Like like there are like two things I would love to teach younger generations who are wanting to dabble within the arts.
39:00
SPEAKER_01: But that's my you could say that you could apply this to anything in life, whatever you want to do.
39:04
SPEAKER_01: But confidence is so important in yourself.
39:07
SPEAKER_01: And I feel like uh I don't know, nowadays people like lack it a bit.
39:12
SPEAKER_01: So once you feel like get over that hurdle, you start just feeling like what I'm doing is good and I know I can be better.
39:20
SPEAKER_01: Always you can always be a better version of yourself, and that's whatever you're doing or whether it's just applying it to your natural life.
39:29
SPEAKER_01: But don't be afraid to go for it because you just never know until you do.
39:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
39:34
SPEAKER_04: Have you thought about teaching?
39:35
SPEAKER_04: I was gonna ask the same question.
39:37
SPEAKER_04: Oh, but you said the teacher, I was like, I'm thinking the same question.
39:41
SPEAKER_04: Like not so much um what you're doing, but as a as a broad, like have you have you thought about it?
39:46
SPEAKER_01: I've never really thought about it.
39:48
SPEAKER_01: Um I think again, I'm at this great level of conf like where I'm at with it, but um wanna really focus on just growing my art.
39:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, fair and really going down that route.
40:00
SPEAKER_04: What was what was your feeling when you sold your first um painting?
40:05
SPEAKER_04: Oh, amazing.
40:06
SPEAKER_01: It's compared to when I booked my first role, when I got that call back from my agent that you got it.
40:13
SPEAKER_01: There's just no other feeling of like being proud of yourself.
40:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:18
SPEAKER_01: Because it's these sorts of things, um you I really had to go out there and do it yourself.
40:25
SPEAKER_01: You know, nothing was handed.
40:26
SPEAKER_01: There's no getting a degree, and then this is the next step.
40:31
SPEAKER_01: It's so out there.
40:34
SPEAKER_01: So it was uh definitely a high that I'm still writing.
40:38
SPEAKER_04: What was what was what was a better high?
40:40
SPEAKER_04: The the I get the old the agents aren't calling you saying you got the got a part or selling the print.
40:47
SPEAKER_01: You know, I gotta say, when I got that call from an agent that first time, and you get a trailer with your name on it, hair makeup, and you're getting paid very handsomely.
40:58
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
40:58
SPEAKER_01: That is a really, really high point of my life.
41:01
SPEAKER_01: But this art, I'm in a different place in my life too.
41:05
SPEAKER_01: I was back then, I was 20, yeah young, you know, just the world was just opening up where now I'm 34 and I'm built my own business through art.
41:16
SPEAKER_01: Like I can't stress either that as much as I love being a creative person and love painting and just love getting in there and just letting it all flow.
41:27
SPEAKER_01: Um the business side of it is another thing to learn as well.
41:31
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
41:32
SPEAKER_04: It's hard.
41:32
SPEAKER_04: It's hard.
41:33
SPEAKER_04: It's a lot.
41:34
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot that goes behind the scenes, even just like trying to work out how I shit these overseas or, you know, just trying to get all of my admin or accounting in place and things that are not my constraints.
41:47
SPEAKER_03: All the things you forget that you need to do.
41:49
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, how do I like you said, streamline?
41:52
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
41:52
SPEAKER_03: Well, if you can figure out how to make it all move seamlessly, that's that's where it's at.
41:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
41:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but it starts to become um 10% art, 90% business.
42:01
SPEAKER_04: It really does.
42:04
SPEAKER_04: And that's why I struggle as well, because I'm like, I just couldn't be stuck doing that right now and just could concentrate on the arts.
42:10
SPEAKER_04: I know exactly what you're saying.
42:11
SPEAKER_03: I was like, it was taking me when I built my new website, like I had so many different versions to sell one product.
42:18
SPEAKER_03: And I thought I went again this route of putting um a pictorial of every size with every colored frame for every image.
42:26
SPEAKER_03: And to do that, yeah, and and I also wanted to say when you change the product, it would transfer to that size on the screen automatically, like in in situ in a room, and it always moves.
42:36
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
42:36
SPEAKER_03: That was saying I got it down to the minimum I could get it to was two hours per image.
42:42
SPEAKER_03: And that was like the download, rename, upload, and put it all in the right position.
42:46
SPEAKER_03: I was like, for a photo, like an aerial photo takes two two thousand five hundredths of a second to take.
42:53
SPEAKER_03: You're spending more than two hours, uh, even just to put it on the internet.
42:58
SPEAKER_01: Like people just don't see that behind the scenes.
43:02
SPEAKER_03: It's like a missed portion of the work, isn't it?
43:05
SPEAKER_04: And and speaking of that, like as photographers, we're lucky we can put um a JPEG of what our photo looks like on our website.
43:12
SPEAKER_04: As an artist and a painter, how do you go about doing that?
43:15
SPEAKER_04: Um, you know what?
43:17
SPEAKER_01: Actually, taking photography of art for me as a non-photographer is extremely difficult.
43:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
43:24
SPEAKER_01: Lighting, shadow casting, than when you have some paintings with a um a glass cover reflection reflections.
43:34
SPEAKER_03: That's a whole nother skill.
43:35
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, it's a whole nother skill.
43:37
SPEAKER_01: That's like even just framing of my art.
43:40
SPEAKER_01: Like I have a professional framer here in Woolagong who does it.
43:43
SPEAKER_01: That in itself is a craft too, because I'll finish a piece and it looks great, but the moment I put it in a frame, I'm like, this piece is so complete.
43:52
SPEAKER_01: It's wonderful.
43:54
SPEAKER_01: So kudos to the photographers out there who do these sorts of um jobs.
44:00
SPEAKER_01: Because it's difficult.
44:01
SPEAKER_01: And the framers behind it.
44:03
SPEAKER_01: Like I tried to frame a few of my first works and I gave up.
44:07
SPEAKER_01: I was like, this isn't my specialty.
44:10
SPEAKER_01: Hire something.
44:11
SPEAKER_03: It's a trade.
44:12
SPEAKER_03: It's a trade.
44:12
SPEAKER_03: It's a trade.
44:13
SPEAKER_03: And you have to have all the equipment that goes with it.
44:15
SPEAKER_03: And it takes time.
44:17
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
44:17
SPEAKER_03: Set and skill to build those frames one square just for the start.
44:23
SPEAKER_03: And to put them together so they last is a whole nother level.
44:26
SPEAKER_01: Well, so it's a very, very smart thing to know your strengths and your weaknesses.
44:31
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
44:32
SPEAKER_01: And learn those early on.
44:33
SPEAKER_04: And a frame can make or break your piece of art.
44:36
SPEAKER_04: 100%.
44:36
SPEAKER_04: If you put a cheap bit of um framework around it, it can lower the cost and the lower the look of your work as well.
44:44
SPEAKER_04: So I think um it's great that you've reached out and you've you've got a frame.
44:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
44:49
SPEAKER_04: I think building those relationships is also what you need as an artist.
44:53
SPEAKER_04: It's like it's like it's like the earrings on the painting.
44:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
44:56
SPEAKER_03: If you put it once once you put the the frame around, that's that's like voila.
45:01
SPEAKER_03: It adds so much.
45:02
SPEAKER_01: You guys frame your works as well.
45:04
SPEAKER_01: So it's just like you do the work, and then once you frame it, you just feel like it's so complete.
45:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
45:09
SPEAKER_01: I just I actually love the feeling.
45:11
SPEAKER_03: It's like it it's that's the finishing touch.
45:13
SPEAKER_03: It makes it makes it the artwork.
45:15
SPEAKER_03: It becomes it goes from being a painting to being an artwork.
45:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
45:18
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
45:20
SPEAKER_04: So um, what's next for Jackie?
45:23
SPEAKER_01: So um at the moment, Jackie is working on her next series.
45:28
SPEAKER_01: So Jackie's after this interview, I only refer to myself as third person.
45:34
SPEAKER_01: That's fine.
45:35
SPEAKER_03: We prefer it that way.
45:36
SPEAKER_03: It's confidence, not cockiness.
45:40
SPEAKER_01: I think it just went from comfort to coffee there.
45:44
SPEAKER_04: That's a laugh.
45:46
SPEAKER_01: Um, so a a great way I like to release my work at the moment is in series.
45:51
SPEAKER_01: So I paint um anywhere from four to five to eight to twelve paintings that all kind of are similar.
45:58
SPEAKER_01: So that's what a series is.
46:00
SPEAKER_01: And I release them.
46:01
SPEAKER_01: So most of my work now is sold on my website, jaquelynfredick.com.au.
46:08
SPEAKER_01: And um I'm excited because I'm in the studio working on my next series.
46:12
SPEAKER_01: So it'll be um six new paintings fresh that no one's seen yet.
46:18
SPEAKER_01: And um hopefully my deadline is by what are we in?
46:23
unknown: April.
46:24
SPEAKER_01: April, definitely by the end of May.
46:27
SPEAKER_01: Um everything goes accordingly.
46:29
SPEAKER_01: I get my butt back in the studio after this.
46:31
SPEAKER_01: And um yeah, so check out the website always, or my Instagram, Jaclyn Frederick Art.
46:36
SPEAKER_01: I'm doing everything pretty much on my own at the moment.
46:39
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
46:39
SPEAKER_01: Um but yes, I need to start being more proactive and dabbling in more art shows, exhibitions, that sort of thing.
46:48
SPEAKER_01: So you can always check out my socials or my website, and I'm always updating when if I'm gonna be showing or if my work's gonna be displayed in a store, et cetera.
46:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
46:58
SPEAKER_04: We'll definitely we'll have all your um your links and profiles in the show notes as well for you.
47:04
SPEAKER_04: So cool.
47:05
SPEAKER_04: People can jump on board for our listeners.
47:07
SPEAKER_04: Your studio, but just before we wrap it up, your studio, is that a part of your house or is that so we have a separate flat that we converted into the studio?
47:15
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, which is uh phenomenal.
47:17
SPEAKER_04: Because I look at that space, I see that space.
47:19
SPEAKER_04: I'm like, that is like the goal.
47:20
SPEAKER_04: Oh, wow, your own.
47:22
SPEAKER_01: You know, you can just actually go around to space.
47:26
SPEAKER_06: Yep.
47:27
SPEAKER_01: After because I my studio is now I love it so much, but I'm doing more and more in bigger pieces, this and that.
47:33
SPEAKER_01: But I just love the idea of just going out and not having to commute.
47:38
unknown: Yeah.
47:38
SPEAKER_01: And at any moment being able to jump in there, do some things and you can strike while the idea is.
47:44
SPEAKER_01: And I'm again, I'm utilizing what I have, which is important, and I have the space for it, which I'm very, very lucky.
47:52
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, it's having a proper space to do your work is huge.
47:57
SPEAKER_03: Ah, definitely.
47:59
SPEAKER_03: I think also your comment on not having to commute is a major part in one, you mean uh keep producing your work at a frequent rate.
48:08
SPEAKER_03: Because as soon as you have a commute, other things can get in the way.
48:11
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
48:11
SPEAKER_03: So you're like, oh, I have this really cool idea, and you get in the car, and by the time you drive, you've you get obviously things might get in the way of your train of thought and you might lose that and get to the studio in a whole different shoot.
48:22
SPEAKER_03: And you'll be like, I think creatively, you'd be like, I've lost what I wanted.
48:26
SPEAKER_04: But it's also less time that you can talk yourself out of it.
48:28
SPEAKER_04: If you've got travel, you can talk yourself out of it.
48:30
SPEAKER_04: Talk yourself out of it.
48:31
SPEAKER_04: I've got these, I've got chores to do today.
48:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
48:34
SPEAKER_01: Like we're artists, you know, sometimes our our heads are in the clouds, and you know, sometimes it's right down to earth, and it's helpful that it's right there.
48:43
SPEAKER_01: Because again, like you said before, you have an idea.
48:46
SPEAKER_01: And by the time you get in, you know, you get going and you get to your studio, you can either be less motivated, less inspired.
48:53
SPEAKER_01: Like that's how it works, you know?
48:54
SPEAKER_01: That's how the creative mind works.
48:56
SPEAKER_04: I I do have another question.
48:58
SPEAKER_04: Sorry.
48:58
SPEAKER_04: Um when you're in your studio, are you um painting under natural light or have you got um like a light, like normal?
49:06
SPEAKER_01: Um, I do most of my work during the day in the natural light.
49:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
49:10
SPEAKER_01: Um very rarely have I gone in there at night where I have to use studio lighting.
49:14
SPEAKER_06: Yep.
49:15
SPEAKER_01: Um, just because the way I paint is it's it it is a little bit of nature inspired.
49:22
SPEAKER_04: You do have those nature, na nature and natural tones to your points.
49:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, cool.
49:27
SPEAKER_01: So um, like it's funny, sometimes a gray rainy day, I find myself I could be a little less inspired.
49:34
SPEAKER_01: Versus when I go out there and it's a gorgeous sunny day in April, it's not too hot.
49:39
SPEAKER_01: You just find yourself pumping out the colour.
49:41
SPEAKER_03: It's just right.
49:41
SPEAKER_03: Just it's like the porridge, right?
49:43
SPEAKER_03: And the three little bears.
49:44
SPEAKER_03: It's just right.
49:45
SPEAKER_03: I wish it was cloud past hard right now.
49:48
SPEAKER_03: He loves it.
49:48
SPEAKER_03: That's his favorite.
49:49
SPEAKER_03: He wants like the cloudy, drizzled weather.
49:52
SPEAKER_01: I have that mood to a lot of photography too, which but then vice versa.
49:56
SPEAKER_01: Some days I'll find that it's a gloomy day and just lock myself in the studio in winter and put the heater on and then pump out just as much.
50:06
SPEAKER_01: So a lot of things.
50:08
SPEAKER_04: It just depends on the mood, right?
50:09
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
50:09
SPEAKER_01: A lot of my work will come from mood and how I'm like expressing like winter or summer or different ways I look at the clouds, or I'm a beach girl, I'm white.
50:23
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, you're just sometimes gazing at the sunrise, and it's really can affect the way I paint at this well.
50:30
SPEAKER_04: Start the day off strong with a nice early start and uh sunrise, and yeah, and it warm warms you up, that's for sure.
50:36
SPEAKER_01: For sure.
50:37
SPEAKER_01: Mood is a huge part of it.
50:38
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, massive, massive.
50:39
SPEAKER_03: I was gonna touch on your lighting section before.
50:42
SPEAKER_03: So like because I'm not sure if artists are like fully into the way the lighting works.
50:46
SPEAKER_03: It's huge in the art world.
50:48
SPEAKER_03: You're huge, yeah.
50:49
SPEAKER_03: Because like if you use like um what they call 95 CRI light globes, like color rendering index, they're like that's if you get those in daylight, you can use them and it's like it's perfect studio lighting every like daylight.
51:00
SPEAKER_03: That's a fit.
51:01
SPEAKER_03: And all the colours the idea of having a color rendering index so high is that it instead of being a typical LED, an LED um only shows the middle of the spectrum.
51:12
SPEAKER_03: It doesn't show the whole um spectrum, like the whole rainbow to make white.
51:16
SPEAKER_03: And that's the issue.
51:17
SPEAKER_03: So when you get the 95%, yeah, it shows 95% around about of all of the colors to make the white a true white, and that gives you that actual realistic color.
51:28
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
51:28
SPEAKER_03: So I I have to use those in my print room as well.
51:31
SPEAKER_03: So when you like your cause, what happens is you have a light and you're editing, it changes the light in the room, it changes the colors on the screen.
51:39
SPEAKER_03: 100%.
51:40
SPEAKER_03: So if you and that'd be the same, like if you're photographing work, you want to have lights like that, just no, you can buy them, they just go straight into your regular fittings, and they're really good for studios.
51:50
SPEAKER_03: So light no, which is so important for like oh, for for even just painting it itself.
51:58
SPEAKER_01: I'm in too dark of a room and I think this is an aqua green, and then I get in the right light, and this was not what I thought I was doing.
52:04
SPEAKER_01: This is this is not aqua.
52:06
SPEAKER_01: Or just trying to get the right photos to put up on Instagram, which is oh, that's why, again, for photographers, I give you guys a lot of credit.
52:13
SPEAKER_03: There's there's a graphic that's actually really cool to hear that come from artists.
52:17
SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
52:18
SPEAKER_04: So we not only think of the light, we've also got screen brightness.
52:21
SPEAKER_04: You've got to make sure that screen brightness is the right, otherwise that you can it's enough to be the photo when you print it's too dark or too bright.
52:28
SPEAKER_04: So you've got to get that right too.
52:29
SPEAKER_04: So not only the root the light in your room, you've got the monitor brightness as well.
52:33
SPEAKER_04: Also the reduction.
52:34
SPEAKER_03: So there's like there's a whole it's another world.
52:38
SPEAKER_03: Screens have a different color gamut as compared to what a printer has.
52:41
SPEAKER_03: And so different paper has different colour gamut um proportions as well.
52:46
SPEAKER_03: So when you have that, it you it changes how much colour you can have there.
52:51
SPEAKER_03: So you have to work with what they call um well, ICC profiles.
52:57
SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
52:57
SPEAKER_03: And that profile is uh you program your screen to match the paper.
53:03
SPEAKER_03: And so it actually changes how much colour and then you can watch your gamut levels.
53:08
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
53:08
SPEAKER_03: So you have to change all the gamut levels to actually prints right.
53:11
SPEAKER_03: So it'd be like putting too much paint on.
53:14
SPEAKER_01: This guy's craft is a whole nother world.
53:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you end up just stressing me out, even thinking.
53:17
SPEAKER_01: But it's stressing, it's just different.
53:19
SPEAKER_01: It's it's just technology.
53:20
SPEAKER_03: It's like when you just use your painting, you're like, or too much paint, you're like, I'm chucking that out.
53:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:26
SPEAKER_01: Nowadays everyone sees everything on a screen.
53:28
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
53:28
SPEAKER_01: So it's uh another level of like me trying to portray what my painting look like on a small phone.
53:35
SPEAKER_04: It's really hard, isn't it?
53:36
SPEAKER_01: Versus like come and see them in person.
53:38
SPEAKER_01: It's just a whole different experience.
53:40
SPEAKER_04: And I'm I'm I remember talking to an artist who does take photos for um other for artists, sorry, a photographer who takes photos for artists to put online.
53:48
SPEAKER_04: And they said the the hardest thing is is the color grading to match because um Oh yeah.
53:53
SPEAKER_01: Because you you you can I it looks different on my computer than my phone.
53:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:56
SPEAKER_01: So I look at my website and my computer, my phone, I'm like, I don't know who I'm catering to.
54:01
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
54:01
SPEAKER_01: And then well, I've learned to always put a disclosure.
54:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, colors may vary in person.
54:07
SPEAKER_01: That's a great thing.
54:08
SPEAKER_03: You have to have that.
54:09
SPEAKER_01: Have to because I I don't know what brightness you're looking through.
54:13
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like you said, every screen is different.
54:15
SPEAKER_04: Like we can all have iPhones here or Samsung phones, same model, same make, and they're all gonna be slightly different.
54:21
SPEAKER_04: Not even that.
54:21
SPEAKER_03: You can turn on the um the blue reduction, and that makes you screen more yellow.
54:25
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, exactly.
54:25
SPEAKER_03: So then people think, oh, yeah, it's really yellow.
54:28
SPEAKER_03: It's completely different.
54:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, even for an artist can completely change.
54:32
SPEAKER_04: I think the challenge, a challenge for an artist to put their work online would be much harder than a photographer because you've got to paint it, then take a photo of it, which can change.
54:40
SPEAKER_01: Because you guys have the craft of knowing how to work on the phone.
54:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, exactly.
54:44
SPEAKER_04: We we have photographs, yeah.
54:46
SPEAKER_01: And how to like put them up where I'm just I'm going in blind guys and be honest.
54:50
SPEAKER_01: Going in blinds.
54:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
54:51
SPEAKER_01: You're a great job, though.
54:54
SPEAKER_04: I've seen I I've we've had the privilege of seeing your work in person and and um and the way you put your stuff online.
55:01
SPEAKER_04: I look at it and go, that looks exactly like it was when I saw it.
55:04
SPEAKER_04: So I think you tablet, whether whether you know it or not, um coming from us, I think it looks great.
55:09
SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, I can literally just go like that, put my phone up against the wall and go, yeah, I could put that there.
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SPEAKER_01: That's good to hear.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, again, uh, I feel like I'm confident with the art.
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SPEAKER_01: Now it's just business side and the small technical things that I'm really honing and learning as well as I go.
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SPEAKER_04: So, guys, if you're listening, hit Jackie up and so then what and buy some more paints paintings from her so she can outsource that.
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SPEAKER_06: And we can wrap it up there.
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SPEAKER_04: You'll you'll thank yourself for buying a piece on a set of fantastic and you can hand it down because it will last.
55:45
SPEAKER_04: That's right.
55:46
SPEAKER_04: And on that note, uh, thank you very much for joining us, Jackie.
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SPEAKER_04: It's been an honor to have you in the studio.
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SPEAKER_04: And and um we can't again, we can't thank you enough.
55:56
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I've thoroughly enjoyed this experience.
55:58
SPEAKER_01: Great chatting with you guys.
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SPEAKER_04: And you too.
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SPEAKER_04: And we look forward to seeing your next series as well.
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SPEAKER_04: That's awesome.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, let us in on the showing when you're if you're having a showing.
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SPEAKER_04: Let us know.
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SPEAKER_04: Let us know.
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SPEAKER_04: We'll we'll plug it for you as well, and and we'll be sure to be there.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, again, always Jacqueline Frederick Gart.
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SPEAKER_01: That's my Instagram.
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SPEAKER_04: Yep.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, anything you need to know or find out, you can reach me through there.
56:19
SPEAKER_04: And good luck with the the creation, uh, the next creation as well.
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SPEAKER_04: Uh, next is live.
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SPEAKER_04: Yes, that's rock.
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SPEAKER_04: Good luck with everything, it's gonna be a great journey.
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SPEAKER_01: Cool.
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SPEAKER_04: Thank you very much, guys.
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SPEAKER_04: Thank you, everybody, for listening, and we'll catch you on our next episode.