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Credlin | 20 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Krandlin live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to show. Here's what's coming up tonight
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Speaker 2: on Kredline. The Coalition lands key concessions from Labor in
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Speaker 2: order to support legislation to reform.
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Speaker 3: The c if WU.
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Speaker 2: But a lot of the promises are just that can
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Speaker 2: we really trust labor to rein in this militant union?
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Speaker 3: I called them the Gucci Greens before. Well, now here's
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Speaker 3: the proof.
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Speaker 2: High profile teals revealed to have voted with the Greens
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Speaker 2: more than sixty percent of the time in the House
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Speaker 2: of Reps and a late breaking motion in the Senate
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Speaker 2: was defeated despite the move trying to ensure that all
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Speaker 2: newborns born in this country have equal access to medical care. Plus,
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Speaker 2: we'll get all the latest from day one of the
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Speaker 2: Democratic National Conference proceedings risk being derailed by anti Israel
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Speaker 2: activists despert to drag the Democrats even further to the left.
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Speaker 2: I'll speak with Joe Hockey shortly, and more pressure on
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Speaker 2: Labor over what's shaping up as a visas for vote scheme.
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Speaker 2: New international data revealing just how generous this Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: has been doling out visas with a light touch on security.
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Speaker 4: How many of the two nine hundred visas from Gaza
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Speaker 4: have been canceled? How many of the two nine hundred
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Speaker 4: visas from Gaza have been canced? How many of the
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Speaker 4: two nine hundred visas of people on shore from Gaza
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Speaker 4: have been canceled?
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Speaker 2: Well, I call the question time because it's not answer time,
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Speaker 2: and poor old Dante and they're getting no answers today.
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Speaker 2: Will stay with this issue visas for votes. It's dogging
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Speaker 2: the Albanezy government. But the real issue is our right
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Speaker 2: as a nation to decide who settles here now. John
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Speaker 2: Howard famously spoke for the silent majority.
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Speaker 5: He said this, we have a proud record of welcoming
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Speaker 5: people from one hundred and forty different nations, but we
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Speaker 5: will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances.
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Speaker 6: In which they come.
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Speaker 2: Almost no one from Gaza coming to Australia is ever
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Speaker 2: going to go back, as shown by the nearly five
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Speaker 2: hundred here on tourist visas who've already applied for permanent
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Speaker 2: protection visas, claiming now that they are refugees. As revealed
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Speaker 2: by the Opposition today, Australia is taking more of these
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Speaker 2: Ghazans than almost any other country on Earth.
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Speaker 7: The government has serious questions to answer today about their
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Speaker 7: rushed process for granting visas to Gaza residents, now that
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Speaker 7: it has emerged that Australia is among the most generous
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Speaker 7: in the developed world, settling more people from Gaza than
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Speaker 7: almost any other like minded partner or democracy, more than
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Speaker 7: our friends in the United States or the Kingdom or
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Speaker 7: New Zealand or Canada or France or Italy or Germany
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Speaker 7: or Japan or South Korea or many many others. Why
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Speaker 7: has Australia granted three thousand visas in just over six
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Speaker 7: months when countries like the United States have only granted seventeen.
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Speaker 2: Well, not only that, but the government was never upfront
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Speaker 2: with Australians about its plans to settle this many gardens
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Speaker 2: in our country, all the fact that they would use
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Speaker 2: much lower security tourist.
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Speaker 3: Visas to get as many in as they could as
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Speaker 3: quickly as they could.
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Speaker 2: It was Labor Minister in Husick who on the weekend
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Speaker 2: let that cat out of the bag.
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Speaker 8: Why visit a visas though because they're faster the process
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Speaker 8: refugee visas take longer, and given what's happening right now
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Speaker 8: and the dangers presented. The view was to try and
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Speaker 8: get people out as quickly as you can, and.
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Speaker 3: They take longer because they're more secure.
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Speaker 2: The claims are there's more hoops to go through, So
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Speaker 2: ask yourself, why the haste, why the secrecy. It's now
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Speaker 2: ten months into this visa process, and still the government
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Speaker 2: will not provide Australians with straight answers to even the
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Speaker 2: most basic questions.
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Speaker 7: Why have we adopted an approach of handing out tourist
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Speaker 7: visas with much less stringent checks, not insisting on face
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Speaker 7: to face interviews or biometric tests, And why are we
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Speaker 7: bringing in so many more than so many of our
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Speaker 7: like minded partners.
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Speaker 2: Today the exact scale of Australia's generosity has been revealed,
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Speaker 2: and it's staggering to think that the Prime Minister has
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Speaker 2: traded out national security for votes, because that's about all
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Speaker 2: you can conclude when you look at the numbers he's
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Speaker 2: let in and his failure to security check them all
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Speaker 2: as should have happened given where they were coming from.
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Speaker 2: Now they are about two million residents in Gaza and
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Speaker 2: many have been school from birth. The Jews should be killed,
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Speaker 2: and that the West is evil at least two thirds
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Speaker 2: of them tell pollsters that they support her muss and
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Speaker 2: that they think the October seven atrocities were justified. Their
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Speaker 2: fellow Muslims in Egypt will take none of them as
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Speaker 2: migrants because they think the rawal potential security risks. The
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Speaker 2: fellow Muslims in Jordan, well, they'll take none either, because
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Speaker 2: the last thing they want is the risk of more
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Speaker 2: Islamist extremists in that country. Dido's, Saudi Arabia, iraq Qwait
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Speaker 2: and more. Don't forget the oben Eezy government never actually
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Speaker 2: announced they were handing out these visas to people from Gaza.
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Speaker 3: It was only revealed when a journalist.
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Speaker 2: Pursued Penny Wong back in November, and we then found
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Speaker 2: out almost by accident, that some seven hundred visas were
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Speaker 2: already granted. Now, if the media had not found out,
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Speaker 2: would we even.
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Speaker 3: Know about this today.
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Speaker 2: It was only because the opposition then put the government
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Speaker 2: under a spotlight in cented estimates back in February that
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Speaker 2: we know about the failure to security check these new arrivals.
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Speaker 7: What's the average processing time for a visa like this?
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Speaker 4: Globally?
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Speaker 9: For a visitor visa, the medium processing times one.
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Speaker 10: Day, one day.
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Speaker 7: Does that sound right to you?
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Speaker 10: Is it possible that a visit visa was approved in
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Speaker 10: a single hour.
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Speaker 9: Senator, It is possible.
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Speaker 7: How could you possibly do all the necessary security and
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Speaker 7: other checks in just an hour from an applicant. I
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Speaker 7: mean that's lightning speed approval.
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Speaker 9: When we apply that that vas range of information to
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Speaker 9: consideration a visit avisit, so I can look globally, a
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Speaker 9: very large number of our visit of visas would be
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Speaker 9: done inside an hour.
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Speaker 3: One hour.
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Speaker 2: You can't even get your uber eats in one hour
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Speaker 2: without security checks, without face to face interview, use, without
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Speaker 2: biometric testing. That's what's happening for these people. Twenty four hours,
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Speaker 2: one hour, two hours. They get a visa that then
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Speaker 2: gets them to Australia. Once here, they then apply to
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Speaker 2: state permanently. The use of a tourist visa is just
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Speaker 2: a ruse. It gets them here with the lowest level
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Speaker 2: of checks possible. But that's deliberate, it's by design, make
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Speaker 2: no mistake. Labor wanted to win friends out of these
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Speaker 2: visas and that's.
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Speaker 3: Why they've set the bar so low.
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Speaker 2: Other countries haven't been so reckless with national security today.
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Speaker 11: It was reported that before approving visas for people coming
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Speaker 11: from the terrorist controlled guards of war zone, Canada requires
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Speaker 11: applicants to submit to face to face interviews and biometric
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Speaker 11: testing in a third country Egypt, why didn't the government
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Speaker 11: have a similar arrangement in place before grant more than
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Speaker 11: two nine hundred tourist visas.
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Speaker 2: While you aret be surprised, albit easy ton answer that question,
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's very telling that from the outset, labor
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Speaker 2: created a process where these Gazans were let in quickly,
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Speaker 2: whether back door route to permanent residency, something that the
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Speaker 2: opposition says they would never have done.
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Speaker 7: We think people should be assessed for temporary protection visas
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Speaker 7: if they're already here in Australia. That would allow them
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Speaker 7: to stay for so long as it is unsafe for
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Speaker 7: them to return, if they meet the criteria and pass
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Speaker 7: all the security checks for a temporary protection visa. If,
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Speaker 7: on the other hand, there's evidence that some among this
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Speaker 7: cohort are supporters of Humus or other terrorist organizations, then
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Speaker 7: the visas should be canceled on character grounds and they
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Speaker 7: should be removed from Australia.
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Speaker 3: So here's a difficult question for you.
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Speaker 2: Why is it somehow our duty in a way that
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Speaker 2: almost no other country has to rescue people out of
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Speaker 2: Gaza from the whole that Harmas is created. Remember, those
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Speaker 2: seeking to enter Australia aren't fleeing Harmas, They're fleeing Israel.
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Speaker 2: They're fleeing Israel's retribution for what Hamas did.
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Speaker 3: And it's reported that the Prime.
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Speaker 2: Minister is also considering establishing a permanent visa for people
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Speaker 2: from Gaza, meaning presumably we're going to get one hundreds,
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Speaker 2: even thousands more. This too, is something the Coalition said
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Speaker 2: that today they will oppose.
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Speaker 3: So do you think there should be any parts of
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Speaker 3: permanency that the people were here now?
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Speaker 7: I think the great virtue of temporary protection visas is
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Speaker 7: it offers people a safe haven when it is unsafe
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Speaker 7: to return to their home, but when the circumstances change,
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Speaker 7: they are able to return.
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Speaker 2: In its panic, the government's now trying to demonize Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 12: All we get from those opposite mister Speaker is another
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Speaker 12: day doubling down on divisiveness and diversion, another day of
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Speaker 12: scaremongering from the leader of the opposition.
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Speaker 13: All they care about is going down this negative road
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Speaker 13: because we know who this blike is Besides, from the
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Speaker 13: time he walked into this place and from the time
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Speaker 13: he wored proper.
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Speaker 2: I'm known him for almost twenty five years. He has
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Speaker 2: a thick skin. But instead of the hysterical abuse, Albert
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Speaker 2: easy owes all of us a full and frank explanation
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Speaker 2: of exactly what he's doing here. Why does he think
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Speaker 2: admitting people from Gaza is a good idea? How many
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Speaker 2: does he intend to bring in and under what circumstances
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Speaker 2: and how are these people from a terrorist controlled war
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Speaker 2: zone going to be adequately checked? Now, without any of
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Speaker 2: that information, this looks like an attempt to change our
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Speaker 2: country by stealth, misguided compassion or a cynical attempt to
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Speaker 2: buy Muslim votes in Western Sydney. But either way fits
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister and his government do not deserve our trust
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Speaker 2: or re election.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to.
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Speaker 2: Camber now for the headlines. Sky News political reporter cam Reddin.
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Speaker 6: Good evening the Coalition is demanding an explanation for why
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Speaker 6: forty three visas awarded to Palestinians leaving Gaza were canceled.
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Speaker 7: Why were those visas granted in the first place, and
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Speaker 7: was the security checks adequate if they were subsequently canceled.
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Speaker 6: The government won't elaborate on why visas were canceled. The
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister turning attention to the former coalition government's record.
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Speaker 13: Nine hundred and ninety one from Afghanistan, four thousand, nine
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Speaker 13: hundred and ninety four people from Iraq, one thousand, five
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Speaker 13: hundred and five from Syria all granted visitor vers us
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Speaker 13: by the former government.
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Speaker 3: Why was it okay then but not okay now?
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Speaker 4: Because the proper processes were followed. We used third countries
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Speaker 4: and we made sure those visited visos well for those
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Speaker 4: visas when it was necessary to do so, that is
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Speaker 4: what we used.
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Speaker 6: Sky News has revealed how frequently Teal Independent side with
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Speaker 6: the Coalition, Labor and the Greens. Trudy McIntosh has the
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Speaker 6: exclusive details.
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Speaker 14: And you can see here the numbers vary quite substantially
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Speaker 14: depending on which TiAl it is. Someone like Da Lee
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Speaker 14: in Western Sydney that independent, She's only voted with the
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Speaker 14: Greens forty five percent of the time. Rebecca Sharky, the
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Speaker 14: Center Alliance MP from South Australia, her voting record much
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Speaker 14: more supportive of Coalition motions, and you can see the
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Speaker 14: numbers go down from there.
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Speaker 6: Australia has deepened its defense cooperation with Indonesia during a
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Speaker 6: visit of the country's president elect.
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Speaker 10: We have had our ups and downs, but we are
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Speaker 10: very happy to they do.
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Speaker 15: We have scheval decats of very glose cooperation.
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Speaker 6: Also a visitor to Parliament, the Prime Minister of Katar.
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Speaker 3: We share an.
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Speaker 2: Person with the International system of rules and norms.
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Speaker 6: Discussions centered around trade and regional security, but sky News
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Speaker 6: understands Foreign Minister Penny Wong also used their meeting to
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Speaker 6: raise the cases of five Australian women who are looking
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Speaker 6: to sue Katar Railways over alleged invasive strip searches at
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Speaker 6: Doha Airport in twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: All right, those headlines and more will bring in sky
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Speaker 2: News Political editor Andrew Cleanell for some assessments will start
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Speaker 2: a course with the visa issue dominating question time again. Andrew,
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Speaker 2: data showing Australia's visa approvals out of Gaza.
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Speaker 3: Far exceed that of any of our five I allies.
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Speaker 2: So this is a UK, US, Canada, Purst, New Zealand
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Speaker 2: or other like mindeds France, Italy and Moore, fueling a
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Speaker 2: lot of concern over government's decision to issue tourist visas
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Speaker 2: with their light touch security checks. Well, we saw in
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Speaker 2: polls yesterday, you know, absolutely the issue of high immigration
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Speaker 2: is there. We saw issues like national security work against labor.
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Speaker 2: They scoring they are scoring poorly in recent polls. What's
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Speaker 2: the endgame here for labor.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think they've been tried to
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Speaker 1: be too clever with these visitor visas, get people out
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Speaker 1: of there quickly, people who probably have associations with Australia
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Speaker 1: relatives here, and they didn't announce what they were doing.
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Speaker 1: They made them visit a visas, which isn't what they're for.
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Speaker 1: They're not here to see the opera house, are they.
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Speaker 1: They're all applying for permanent protection now. So I just
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Speaker 1: I'm curious as to how that decision was made. And
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Speaker 1: it looks like they've been sneaky. I think you had
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Speaker 1: a strap there sneaky push for votes. Peter Dutton belize
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Speaker 1: it's for votes in Western Sydney and probably to please
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Speaker 1: the labor base. Look, there's probably some genuine feeling about
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Speaker 1: you know, children getting blown up and you know the
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Speaker 1: carnage that's occurring at Gaza as well, but it's just
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Speaker 1: not the way these things should be done, and I
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Speaker 1: think they've got themselves into terrible trouble over it, because
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Speaker 1: if it was all by the book, it's very easy
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Speaker 1: just to say, look, this is why we did it.
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Speaker 1: We're trying to save people's lives. You know, these people
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Speaker 1: have associations with Australia. Sometimes you're just better being honest
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Speaker 1: and wearing the criticism. They're just trying to duck it
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Speaker 1: and that tactic doesn't seem to be working Peter, and
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Speaker 1: that's the issue. So look, at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: the only reason we found out about this was an
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Speaker 1: ABC reporter at the time. I think she since left
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Speaker 1: the ABC. Nor Hater published an online story saying she'd
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Speaker 1: heard from people in the Sydney Palestinian community about people
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Speaker 1: coming here on visitor visas. Penny Wong was then quizzed
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Speaker 1: on at a press conference. She said, look, we've given all
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Speaker 1: these Palestinian visas. We've also given more visited visas to Israelis,
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Speaker 1: but it just looks a bit irregular because Tony Burke
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Speaker 1: was on Sunday at Agenda the week before last saying, well,
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Speaker 1: no one would send them back, so they're not visited.
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Speaker 1: Jesus are they they're protection visas, and I reported a
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Speaker 1: week or so ago that policy would be temporary protection
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Speaker 1: visas for those who were already here, which acts as
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Speaker 1: a kind of approbation right as well. But of course
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Speaker 1: the government abolished those. So look, this is what happens
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Speaker 1: when governments try to be sneaky and clever. They get
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Speaker 1: found out and they get in political trouble.
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Speaker 2: Twenty odd years ago I worked for an immigration minister
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Speaker 2: in the Howard government and we created safe haven visas
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Speaker 2: to bring out the costs of ours. Now they came
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Speaker 2: here and they all had to go home. They couldn't
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Speaker 2: change their status in country.
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Speaker 3: Which is what governant these guards.
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Speaker 2: And I meant, well, I don't understand why Labor doesn't
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Speaker 2: use well established precedents that the coalition created if they
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Speaker 2: want to cover here.
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Speaker 3: But I think you know you were the one.
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Speaker 2: Who first alerted me too that the tricky nature, that
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Speaker 2: the lack of disclosure, the fact that there was no
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Speaker 2: press conference, that Wong was basically put on the spot
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Speaker 2: in November, and then it was only when they were
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Speaker 2: pursued about this in estimates by James Pattison, and I
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Speaker 2: have to say he's been best on ground through all
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Speaker 2: of this that we come to find out that some
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Speaker 2: of these visas are basically granted in an hour. Now
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Speaker 2: you can't get you I made the point, you ruber
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Speaker 2: eached it, and now how do you get a visa
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Speaker 2: out of a war zone to a place like Australia
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Speaker 2: in an hour?
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Speaker 1: It's good line over each, isn't it. I enjoyed hearing
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Speaker 1: you say that. But look, I think the government's position
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Speaker 1: would be, Israel vetted all these people on the way
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Speaker 1: through anyway, we need to have our own checks. Couldn't
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Speaker 1: they have held them in? I mean, they had two
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Speaker 1: weeks in Egypt. That's how long they were allowed to
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Speaker 1: stay in Egypt. Couldn't they have spent two weeks having
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Speaker 1: a look at them. There's so many unanswered questions, but
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Speaker 1: the biggest question is why, and at Husick seemed to
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Speaker 1: indicate why, because we're in a rush to get them
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Speaker 1: out here. Bear in mind, no one's come since for
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Speaker 1: months because they can't get through the Raffa crossing, right
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Speaker 1: so they you know, they've had less than thirteen hundred come.
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Speaker 1: Of the three thousand they've granted, they've canceled seven thousand.
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Speaker 1: That's mostly because they can't get out. So what's the
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Speaker 1: point when I say canceled, refused?
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Speaker 2: Just on that point, Andrew, yes, So just on that point,
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Speaker 2: why they're not make a virtue now of putting those
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Speaker 2: issued visas in abeyance for those that have not yet
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Speaker 2: come and doing the appropriate security checks. You'd cut the
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Speaker 2: coalition out from under them. You'd make a virtue of saying, well,
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Speaker 2: we've listened, we've heard you. But to my mind, this
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister does not like to admit he gets anything wrong.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't want to give done a victory, does he?
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Speaker 1: So that I'm sure they might take note of your
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Speaker 1: free political advice there, Peter. It sounds sensible. But the
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Speaker 1: thing is, why not announce some safe haven program at
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Speaker 1: the time, like you say, and you have to come
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Speaker 1: you Really it looks like they thought they'd copy it
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Speaker 1: politically like they are now.
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Speaker 3: If they did.
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Speaker 1: The thing is they could have copped it politically last November.
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Speaker 1: Instead they're copying it a bit closer to an election.
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Speaker 1: So again that's what happened, withes Where it gets.
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Speaker 2: You foreign detainees, That's where it gets you, you know,
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Speaker 2: being too tricky by half on the foreign detainees pretending
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Speaker 2: that we had drones watching these people in the suburbs.
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Speaker 2: Of course we don't that they all had the security
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Speaker 2: bracelets on, which they haven't. I mean they bled that
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Speaker 2: issue out for weeks the opposition because the government just
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Speaker 2: wouldn't be upfront. They weren't up in front in the chamber.
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Speaker 2: They weren't answering straight questions. I think it's the trickery, right,
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Speaker 2: it's the trickery of this government.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the crime incredibility. Let me let me ask you,
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Speaker 1: this is a formative of staff. Let's say you get
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Speaker 1: this problem on your desk. It's pretty bad or whatever.
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Speaker 1: Now you've got two choices, right, you can either hope
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Speaker 1: it never gets out, or you can take it head on,
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Speaker 1: come out, introduce the problem with a solution probably is
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Speaker 1: the way to do it.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: Would you handle something like that like, you know, would
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Speaker 1: you seek to hope it never emerges, or would you
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Speaker 1: say this is going to get out sooner or later?
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Speaker 1: Best off just being honest and dealing with it now.
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Speaker 2: Well, I always had plenty of respect for the gallery, mate.
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Speaker 2: I always assumed it would get out there. And you're
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Speaker 2: better to control the narrative on release than look like
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Speaker 2: you're dodging the hard stuff and be caught running down
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Speaker 2: a corridor with cameras after you. So I think that's
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Speaker 2: the difference. These guys own the gallery. Labour thinks you're
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Speaker 2: all in their pocket and that they can get you
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Speaker 2: to toe the line and help bury their information. I
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Speaker 2: think that's the fundamental difference we on the Coalition side.
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Speaker 2: I think you're hunting us from day one. We also
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Speaker 2: think the bureaucracy is likely to leak against us, so
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Speaker 2: we better be upfront. Labour thinks everyone's in their pocket
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Speaker 2: and they hope Australians don't notice it. I think this
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Speaker 2: is where they're frying. Hey, it just quickly got to
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Speaker 2: ask you about these tears, your colleague Trudy Macintosh. That
20:56
Speaker 2: exclusive today showing just how often they vote the Greens
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Speaker 2: sixty percent of the time if they are the Teal types,
21:05
Speaker 2: not so often if they are others. Now, I call
21:10
Speaker 2: them Gucci Greens. I think that's absolutely what they are.
21:13
Speaker 2: Are you surprised by these numbers? Pretty defensive?
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Speaker 3: I have to say some of the responses from the
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Speaker 3: Teals too.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting that there's a difference, Like Allegra Spinder is
21:23
Speaker 1: not the same I will have this caveat on it.
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Speaker 1: The Greens motions are thirty eight over the whole parliament,
21:30
Speaker 1: they're fifty to fifty numbers with Labor Liberal they have
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Speaker 1: a lot more motions one hundred and fifty hundred and
21:35
Speaker 1: thirty eight. But it's something that liberals can use against
21:39
Speaker 1: the teals saying they're too radical. A lot of them
21:44
Speaker 1: are things like gag motions, but really you'd have to
21:48
Speaker 1: sit down and have a look of what they're actually for.
21:51
Speaker 1: So their argument the tials is well, we've had on
21:54
Speaker 1: a lot of climate change things. I don't think there
21:55
Speaker 1: would have been thirty eight climate change motions, No doubt
21:58
Speaker 1: there's one or two there which could really be reponized
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Speaker 1: against the tials and the challenges to find out what
22:03
Speaker 1: the thirty eight are and who voted for what, and
22:06
Speaker 1: then yeah, that could be a pretty effective campaign tool,
22:09
Speaker 1: you know. I mean we're talking about well healed people
22:11
Speaker 1: who want accountability in government, probably action on climate change,
22:17
Speaker 1: who voted for the tials. They don't want a lot
22:21
Speaker 1: of them. They don't want a green agenda, particularly in
22:24
Speaker 1: a hung parliament. So you can see where Peter Dutton's
22:26
Speaker 1: going on this. He called Zalie Stegeler Green the other
22:28
Speaker 1: day after she called him a racist. I guess being
22:31
Speaker 1: called a racist is a lot worse, frankly. So the
22:37
Speaker 1: liberals need to the liberals need to campaign against the
22:45
Speaker 1: tills as well as the other seats, because I actually
22:47
Speaker 1: think they've got an opportunity to snatch two or three
22:50
Speaker 1: and that just gets you so much closer to government.
22:52
Speaker 1: And I do think there is that opportunity in a
22:54
Speaker 1: seat like Curtain in Wa, maybe Kuyong, maybe even Michelo
22:59
Speaker 1: with Sophie Scompsey. So you know, they've got a fight
23:03
Speaker 1: on two fronts. Negative works, and if they can pin
23:06
Speaker 1: some negative messages on the tills and they no longer
23:08
Speaker 1: come across the Saints, that's their best chance.
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Speaker 3: All right, We'll watch you close, Andrew Clew, Thank you.
23:16
Speaker 1: Thanks.
23:18
Speaker 2: Let's leave Canber for a moment and head to the
23:20
Speaker 2: United States, where the Democratic National Conventions kicked off today
23:25
Speaker 2: in Chicago with more than four thousand delegates in attendance. Now,
23:30
Speaker 2: alongside the official invitees, thousands of Palestinian protesters have also
23:35
Speaker 2: rolled into town, with Democrats desperate to keep the protests
23:39
Speaker 2: outside the venue from spelling over onto the conference floor.
23:44
Speaker 3: Right out of the gate.
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Speaker 2: There's been a number of high profile speakers, including President
23:49
Speaker 2: Joe Biden, who naturally wants to protect his legacy in
23:53
Speaker 2: the face of a Harris campaign that will want to
23:56
Speaker 2: distance itself from him and their shared record. I was
24:01
Speaker 2: able to catch up with Sky News US analyst former
24:04
Speaker 2: Australian Ambassador to the US Joe Hockey a little earlier
24:08
Speaker 2: and asked him how Bine will go about protecting his
24:11
Speaker 2: legacy when the Harris campaign wants her message to be
24:15
Speaker 2: about the future.
24:17
Speaker 16: Well, it's going to be very difficult for Impeter because
24:20
Speaker 16: he is letting close confidants know that he is still
24:25
Speaker 16: aggrieved that he is not the candidate he went reluctantly.
24:30
Speaker 16: He's not happy about it, and of course he wants
24:33
Speaker 16: to protect his legacy. Kamala Harris needs to distance herself
24:38
Speaker 16: from his key policies on the issues that really matter,
24:43
Speaker 16: which are costs of living and national security, particularly immigration.
24:49
Speaker 16: In both those areas, Kamala Harris is a fair way
24:53
Speaker 16: behind Donald Trump and she cannot recover while she's got
24:58
Speaker 16: the lead in the saddle bag of Joe Biden his
25:00
Speaker 16: policies over the last four years.
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Speaker 2: It's not really about what Trump's campaigning on against her,
25:06
Speaker 2: is it? I mean he's campaigning against her personally, not
25:11
Speaker 2: where she's vulnerable in policy terms, which is obviously her
25:14
Speaker 2: record and her connection to Biden. Now, given that it's
25:18
Speaker 2: only been a month since Biden handed the reins to
25:21
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, give us a sense of the mood there today.
25:25
Speaker 2: How are the Democrats feeling?
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Speaker 16: Well, there is both a sense of relief amongst Democrats
25:32
Speaker 16: and a sense of enthusiasm. They are in a very
25:36
Speaker 16: deep and dark place in the last days of Joe
25:41
Speaker 16: Biden's candidacy. And what's happened is there's been a massive
25:46
Speaker 16: reinvigoration of the base. They've had a surge of support,
25:52
Speaker 16: particularly out of states like New York and California. Now,
25:55
Speaker 16: as you know, those states don't decide the election, but
25:59
Speaker 16: certainly they influence the volunteer base. And the money the
26:05
Speaker 16: Democrats have now raised under Kamala Harris is close to
26:10
Speaker 16: a billion dollars in both the superpack and in the
26:13
Speaker 16: main funded campaign. Now they cannot spend that amount of money.
26:18
Speaker 16: They tell me they cannot spend that amount of money
26:21
Speaker 16: in the next seventy seven days. So it's not going
26:25
Speaker 16: to be based on money. It's going to be based
26:28
Speaker 16: on the enthusiasm of the base and how dedicated they
26:33
Speaker 16: are to getting out and voting against Donald Trump. Now,
26:37
Speaker 16: I'll just say one thing, Peter, I went through four
26:40
Speaker 16: days of a Republican convention where all they talked about
26:44
Speaker 16: is Donald Trump. On the first day here in Chicago
26:48
Speaker 16: with the Democratic Convention, all they're talking about is Donald Trump.
26:52
Speaker 16: So there's no shortage of overload about Donald Trump in
26:57
Speaker 16: American politics.
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Speaker 2: One of the things I know I noticed at the
27:00
Speaker 2: Republican convention was the real absence of celebrity types. I mean,
27:05
Speaker 2: they are intent on showcasing Middle America, mums who lost
27:10
Speaker 2: their kids to addiction, return servicemen and women, the economic
27:14
Speaker 2: issues that dominate the swing states. We know the Democrats
27:18
Speaker 2: love Hollywood. How much is that going to be in
27:20
Speaker 2: terms of a distraction when the people they need to
27:23
Speaker 2: win over are likely to see this as elitist and
27:27
Speaker 2: out of touch.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, look, you're exactly right. I am deeply skeptical of
27:33
Speaker 16: this idea of rolling out big celebrities. At the Republican convention.
27:39
Speaker 16: They had union leaders, they had veterans, they had everyday
27:44
Speaker 16: workers who were coming out to endorse Donald Trump speaking
27:49
Speaker 16: from the heart, and so far there's you know, the
27:54
Speaker 16: Democrats are still focusing on celebrities, but also they're rolling
27:58
Speaker 16: out all the former presidents and candidates. And that's great
28:05
Speaker 16: for the audience here in the convention, but is it
28:09
Speaker 16: really reaching into the homes of everyday Americans that are
28:12
Speaker 16: struggling to pay the bills. I don't think so. I
28:15
Speaker 16: don't think it worked. Didn't work for Hillary Clinton, and
28:19
Speaker 16: I don't think it's going to work for Kamala Harris
28:22
Speaker 16: as far as I'm concerned, Yes, Kamala Harris has massive momentum.
28:27
Speaker 16: It's really energized the base, but I still feel as
28:30
Speaker 16: though she is one or two press conferences from a
28:33
Speaker 16: campaign that can be rapidly unwound.
28:37
Speaker 2: What about the pro Palestinian protesters, Joe. We know the
28:41
Speaker 2: Chicago police are already concerned that some have breached the
28:45
Speaker 2: arter perimeter at the venue. We didn't see a lot
28:48
Speaker 2: of protesting at the R and C. Is is going
28:51
Speaker 2: to be a problem for the Democrats. I mean, they're
28:54
Speaker 2: well and truly already to the left or where the
28:56
Speaker 2: party used to be, But for these protesters.
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Speaker 3: That's not enough.
29:01
Speaker 2: And how do these radical issues play out in the
29:05
Speaker 2: Swing States.
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Speaker 16: Well, everyone talks about the Chicago Democratic Convention in nineteen
29:11
Speaker 16: sixty eight, and that was where there were protests about Vietnam.
29:15
Speaker 16: It was a different environment, and there has been a
29:20
Speaker 16: silent fear here that the protests about Palestinians and Gaza
29:28
Speaker 16: would have a similar impact. The fact, which is quite interesting,
29:33
Speaker 16: that more than one hundred thousand registered Democrats voted effectively
29:40
Speaker 16: against Joe Biden in the Michigan primary because they want
29:46
Speaker 16: the Biden administration to take a different tack to support
29:51
Speaker 16: the Palestinians and Gaza. Now, those people who elected representatives
29:57
Speaker 16: to this convention have not declined in support of Kamala Harris,
30:02
Speaker 16: and so what's happening behind the scenes is they are
30:05
Speaker 16: negotiating with the Harris team on the policy on Gaza
30:10
Speaker 16: and they are seeking speaking rights of this convention. So
30:13
Speaker 16: far they've been denied, So by Thursday they could be
30:17
Speaker 16: openly protesting on the floor of this convention, which will
30:21
Speaker 16: have a negative impact on Harris's campaign.
30:24
Speaker 2: You mentioned even at the start, from day one, this
30:28
Speaker 2: convention is already all about Trump and not so much
30:32
Speaker 2: about Kamala Harris.
30:34
Speaker 3: There's been a lot of polls around. It's tight.
30:37
Speaker 2: Your right to point out that there's an energy now
30:40
Speaker 2: in the Democratic campaign that was absent.
30:42
Speaker 3: Four weeks ago. Give us your best read on how
30:46
Speaker 3: things stand now.
30:47
Speaker 2: Between the two and the contest in the states that
30:51
Speaker 2: will determine the result in November.
30:53
Speaker 16: Well, the key state remains Pennsylvania, and you've got to
30:57
Speaker 16: follow both the candidates and the money, and that's always
31:01
Speaker 16: going to be the point at a where to where
31:03
Speaker 16: it's most hotly contested. I think Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan
31:08
Speaker 16: still remain the key states. You know, it's still the
31:12
Speaker 16: case of Kamala Harris needs to disavow this left wing
31:16
Speaker 16: agenda that really has been part and parcel of her
31:19
Speaker 16: time in politics, and those states are not going to
31:22
Speaker 16: warm to a left wing agenda, particularly on issues like
31:26
Speaker 16: immigration and failing to address the cost of living.
31:30
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Joe, You've got a big week ahead
31:32
Speaker 2: of you. Appreciate your time.
31:35
Speaker 16: Thanks very much better.
31:39
Speaker 2: Also the Liechtener, he said they're obviously President Biden, but
31:41
Speaker 2: also Hillary Clinton. I'll come back to all of these
31:44
Speaker 2: with Kosher and Michael a bit later in the show
31:46
Speaker 2: after break. That deal between Labor and the CFMI, Labor
31:50
Speaker 2: and the coalition to reform the CFMU through the Senate
31:53
Speaker 2: or how faired income is it? Plus Australia completely out
31:56
Speaker 2: of step with the rest of the world when it.
31:58
Speaker 3: Comes to these Gars and VA.
32:01
Speaker 2: Did they actually get advice to the albanezer Gavit from
32:04
Speaker 2: ASIO before they exposed Australians to these risks? Welcome back
32:13
Speaker 2: still to come more proof of Chris Bowen's political hubris
32:17
Speaker 2: is out of step with simple engineering realities. His ev
32:22
Speaker 2: dream is blowing up. But first I prefer bit of
32:25
Speaker 2: doing and throwing. The coalitions struck a deal with Labor
32:29
Speaker 2: to pass his CFM you reform legislation.
32:32
Speaker 3: So what's in the deal and will it bring the
32:35
Speaker 3: militant union to heal To discuss this?
32:37
Speaker 2: I'm joined now by the Shadow Workplace Relations Minister Mikaylia
32:41
Speaker 2: cash Well, Senator. Take my viewers through the details of
32:46
Speaker 2: what's passed the Parliament. What sort of concessions did you
32:49
Speaker 2: get from Labor and can we trust them?
32:55
Speaker 15: Well, Peter, the bill that was tabled by Murray Watt
32:58
Speaker 15: last Monday, quite frankly, it could have been written by
33:02
Speaker 15: John Setka himself. You could have driven a truck through it.
33:07
Speaker 15: And that is why despite Labor screaming from the highest
33:11
Speaker 15: rafter that the bill needed to be passed, there and
33:14
Speaker 15: then the Coalition took the time to review it and
33:18
Speaker 15: as you've said, secure some very serious amendments. In the
33:22
Speaker 15: first instance, get this, Murray Watt had given himself as
33:27
Speaker 15: the Minister, the unilateral power to release the CFM you
33:32
Speaker 15: from administration whenever he.
33:34
Speaker 3: Felt like it.
33:36
Speaker 15: That is a COMPI you couldn't script it, but he did.
33:39
Speaker 15: We have secured a three year minimum administration for the CFM.
33:45
Speaker 3: You get this as well.
33:47
Speaker 15: It was a slap on the wrist approach to union
33:50
Speaker 15: officials who'd done the wrong thing. Up to a five
33:54
Speaker 15: year ban. We'll guess what we've secured up to a
33:57
Speaker 15: lifetime ban. They didn't want any transparency in relation to
34:03
Speaker 15: the administration. We have secured a report to the Parliament
34:08
Speaker 15: every six months in detail from the administrator. But also
34:13
Speaker 15: Labor are big on saying they won't take their money.
34:16
Speaker 15: I asked them, why won't you give back the six
34:19
Speaker 15: point two million you took from the CFMU. So when
34:22
Speaker 15: relation to the political donations, I have a letter from
34:26
Speaker 15: the administrator written to Murray. What's stating there will be
34:31
Speaker 15: no political donations or party political campaign expenditure during the
34:36
Speaker 15: period of the administration. So a substantially improved bill. But
34:41
Speaker 15: as I said, I was being screamed at last week
34:45
Speaker 15: by Murray, what been told passed this legislation.
34:48
Speaker 3: You're holding it up.
34:50
Speaker 6: I don't pass.
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Speaker 15: Legislation that looks like Peter that it's been drafted by
34:54
Speaker 15: John Setka. I do my job, and the coalitions secured
34:59
Speaker 15: those very serious amendments.
35:04
Speaker 3: Let's go to the visa issue.
35:05
Speaker 2: Because you're formerly an Attorney general, you know what you're
35:08
Speaker 2: talking about when it comes to the National Cabinet to
35:12
Speaker 2: Security Committee. Your colleague Dante and asked, I thought a
35:16
Speaker 2: very good question today. He asked, was Asio consulted before
35:21
Speaker 2: this decision to hand out tourist visas?
35:23
Speaker 3: Now?
35:24
Speaker 2: He asked it multiple times in the chamber today in
35:26
Speaker 2: question time. He did not get an answer. But we
35:30
Speaker 2: know the Prime Minister had removed Asio from the NSC
35:35
Speaker 2: when this decision was taken.
35:37
Speaker 3: So was this done deliberately? I wonder.
35:42
Speaker 15: It's a very good question because let's look at the evidence.
35:45
Speaker 15: This is a prime minister that takes a very laxidaisial
35:49
Speaker 15: approach to national security. He cannot answer the basic questions
35:55
Speaker 15: that the Australian people deserve to have answered. In relation
35:59
Speaker 15: to the thirteen hundred people that you have issued tourist
36:04
Speaker 15: visas to who have come in from the Ghazan war
36:07
Speaker 15: zone which has been controlled by a listed terrorist organization.
36:11
Speaker 15: Prime Minister, what security checks were undertaken? Cannot answer that question.
36:18
Speaker 15: He cannot advise the Parliament why he misquoted the Director
36:23
Speaker 15: General of ASIO in trying to support what they have done.
36:29
Speaker 15: Refuses to answer why he misquoted him, refuses to stand
36:34
Speaker 15: up and answer the basic questions including why are our
36:39
Speaker 15: like minded friends and allies taking a very cautious approach
36:44
Speaker 15: to bringing people in from the war zone of Gaza
36:47
Speaker 15: when Australia is just literally going hell for letter. There
36:51
Speaker 15: are serious questions Peter that a Prime Minister should be
36:56
Speaker 15: able to stand up at a moment's notice and answer.
37:01
Speaker 15: But the fact that they removed ASIO from the National
37:05
Speaker 15: Security Committee of Cabinet quite frankly shows these guys are
37:09
Speaker 15: not serious about national security and that is a very
37:14
Speaker 15: very dangerous government to have in control of Australia.
37:20
Speaker 2: I think my viewers tonight, are wishing you'll keep pursuing
37:23
Speaker 2: this issue.
37:23
Speaker 3: Sat at a cash they are abcerned. Thank you for
37:26
Speaker 3: your time. Just before we go to the break.
37:29
Speaker 2: I've discussed this issue with doctor Joeanna Howe just the
37:32
Speaker 2: other day. The fact that there are no national laws,
37:35
Speaker 2: let alone any clarity on statistics when it comes to
37:38
Speaker 2: babies born alive after a failed abortion. In Queensland and Victoria,
37:44
Speaker 2: to just two examples, babies born alive after an abortion
37:50
Speaker 2: are refused medical care.
37:52
Speaker 3: And left to die.
37:54
Speaker 2: Now this afternoon there was a motion to change this
37:57
Speaker 2: and give all newborns in this country equal medical treatment.
38:03
Speaker 2: But I regret to advise you the motion failed after
38:06
Speaker 2: Labor and the Greens voted it down, along with four
38:10
Speaker 2: Liberal senators Simon Birmingham from South Australia, New South Wales
38:15
Speaker 2: Senator Andrew Bragg, Jane Hume from Victoria, and New South
38:20
Speaker 2: Wales Senator Maria Copperchick.
38:23
Speaker 3: All Right after the break.
38:24
Speaker 2: The wills are falling off Bowen's Green agenda as it's
38:27
Speaker 2: revealed the greed won't be ready for the ev.
38:30
Speaker 3: Uptake he's demanding.
38:32
Speaker 2: But what's worse, we're now at a position of sovereign
38:34
Speaker 2: risk because the governor's renewables obsession.
38:37
Speaker 3: Is killing off development law.
38:39
Speaker 2: On that, Chris Yulman after the break, welcome back to
38:46
Speaker 2: the calm. The Trump campaign hits the battleground states in
38:50
Speaker 2: an attempt to draw attention away from the DNC. He's
38:53
Speaker 2: really started to go after Harris's economic record. I'll get
38:57
Speaker 2: to the latest there, but first several headlines today that
39:00
Speaker 2: again cast down on Labour's whole greed agenda. First, the
39:04
Speaker 2: fuel giant Ampole revealing that it's a long way short
39:07
Speaker 2: of its target of three hundred EV charging bays by
39:10
Speaker 2: the end of the year are currently sitting just under
39:13
Speaker 2: a third of their stated goal, and it's generally not
39:17
Speaker 2: just by the slow uptake of EV's but also the
39:20
Speaker 2: fact that the grid itself is struggling to cope with
39:23
Speaker 2: supply due to the renewables build out. At the same time,
39:27
Speaker 2: new research from Bloomberg calculates that Australia's share of renewables
39:32
Speaker 2: needs to more than double by twenty thirty for.
39:35
Speaker 3: Australia to reach its net zero goal.
39:37
Speaker 2: So all up, it's a mess, but no one seems
39:41
Speaker 2: willing to admit yet that the Emperor's got no clothes. Well,
39:44
Speaker 2: some bloke might is joining me now skying his contributor
39:46
Speaker 2: Chris Yulman, or you can read a set of numbers. Chris,
39:50
Speaker 2: It's almost impossible to find any numbers anywhere in this
39:54
Speaker 2: whole energy debate.
39:55
Speaker 3: That adds up.
39:56
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised by this, but how about you, I'm.
40:01
Speaker 17: Not surprised either, And it shows that the system runs
40:03
Speaker 17: on physics and not on politics. And just to give
40:06
Speaker 17: you a couple of numbers. So, right now, around about
40:08
Speaker 17: forty percent of the electricity on the national electricity market
40:12
Speaker 17: can be put down to whether dependent renewable energy. We
40:15
Speaker 17: have to in the next six years double that to
40:17
Speaker 17: hit eighty two percent that is the government's target by
40:21
Speaker 17: twenty thirty. We have to connect six gigawatts of generation
40:25
Speaker 17: every single year from now on. At the moment we're
40:28
Speaker 17: connecting under three gigawots. Physically, this process is now simply
40:33
Speaker 17: impossible to hit that kind of mark. So, yes, this
40:37
Speaker 17: debate could use a whole lot more honesty in it,
40:41
Speaker 17: and I will say this about it too. People don't
40:43
Speaker 17: understand this about the way that the energy system works.
40:46
Speaker 17: But we need to double our supply by twenty fifty
40:48
Speaker 17: In order to meet the kind of demand that we
40:50
Speaker 17: expect that we will have, and I think that number
40:52
Speaker 17: is probably underdone. But in order to do it with
40:54
Speaker 17: weather dependent renewables or mostly that way, we have to
40:58
Speaker 17: triple the amount of generation that we are going to get.
41:01
Speaker 17: So triple the amount of generation in order to get
41:03
Speaker 17: the kind of generation that we used to get, and
41:05
Speaker 17: we have to connect it with transmission lines that will
41:08
Speaker 17: run across the country and then fix up the distribution
41:11
Speaker 17: system as well. And all of that adds.
41:13
Speaker 2: Up our major security competitors. O Chris, They're not going
41:21
Speaker 2: down this path. I mean they are absolutely building up
41:24
Speaker 2: their fossil fuel outputs. Look at the budget costs for Australia,
41:29
Speaker 2: look at the engineering and possibility of what we're trying
41:31
Speaker 2: to do. Look at the backlash now and regional communities.
41:34
Speaker 2: I mean, where are we going to have an honest
41:36
Speaker 2: conversation about all of this and reset this agenda?
41:42
Speaker 17: And Peter, that honest conversation must start with the costs
41:46
Speaker 17: of what we are proposing. And look at your bill.
41:49
Speaker 17: It's basically broken up into a number of different parts.
41:52
Speaker 17: The wholesale costs of electricity, the transmission cost of electricity,
41:57
Speaker 17: the distribution cost of electricity at the moment, the wholesale
42:00
Speaker 17: price is on the March that is going up. No
42:02
Speaker 17: matter what they say about it being the lowest cost generation.
42:05
Speaker 17: The problem with it is it's off more often than
42:07
Speaker 17: it's on. We've made gas rare during the winter. What
42:10
Speaker 17: sets the price is gas that drives up the wholesale price.
42:14
Speaker 17: The cost of transmission is going up because these big
42:16
Speaker 17: transmission projects that we're seeing, they're being slowed down. When
42:19
Speaker 17: they get approved, they have a regulated rate of return.
42:22
Speaker 17: So just one of them Humlink will add twenty one
42:25
Speaker 17: dollars a year from now on to every single bill
42:29
Speaker 17: in New South Wales. The distribution network, and you were
42:31
Speaker 17: talking about those ampole being unable to connect to the
42:34
Speaker 17: distribution network was not designed to have two way flowers.
42:38
Speaker 17: The power power out by solar energy and power in
42:41
Speaker 17: as it used to be. It can't cope. It will
42:43
Speaker 17: have to be rebuilt thirty two percent of your bill, Peter,
42:48
Speaker 17: I don't think people have any idea yet about the
42:51
Speaker 17: kinds of costs that we are talking about that will
42:54
Speaker 17: cripple those people who can't have solid power who have
42:57
Speaker 17: to stay connected to the grid, and that include our industries.
43:03
Speaker 2: What keeps me awake at night, Chris, is how on
43:06
Speaker 2: earth do we pay for our future. If we've got
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Speaker 2: more and more people leaving private jobs to go and
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Speaker 2: work for governments. If we're growing the size, you know,
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Speaker 2: as we are of our public sector payroll, if we're
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Speaker 2: not exporting as much anymore, if we don't have local
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Speaker 2: industries like we used to have, If we're demanding you know,
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Speaker 2: every boondoggle under the sun to be paid for by
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Speaker 2: the tax payer. If we want big welfare, if we
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Speaker 2: want the ndies so, if we want to throw billions
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Speaker 2: more national security as we should, and schools and hospitals,
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Speaker 2: how the heck do we pay for our future. We
43:38
Speaker 2: had a goal mine yesterday, knocked back by Tanya plevsek
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Speaker 2: one billion dollars worth.
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Speaker 3: Of gold mine.
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Speaker 2: We have the New South Wales and federal Environment departments
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Speaker 2: giving it the green light. We had the local indigenous
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Speaker 2: leaders giving it.
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Speaker 3: The green light.
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Speaker 2: They're angry today, these locals that this has been a
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Speaker 2: knocked back opportunity for economy empowerment.
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Speaker 3: But she gives it the kibosh because.
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Speaker 2: One Aboriginal group and she won't tell us why had
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Speaker 2: issues with it over cultural sensitivities.
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Speaker 3: This is a massive sovereign risk rise.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, Peter, And obviously in the course of doing a
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Speaker 17: documentary which I'm doing for Sky on the energy transition,
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Speaker 17: we've been speaking to industry groups and there is genuine
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Speaker 17: alarm out there about this kind of thing. So in
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Speaker 17: order to do mining projects, and we need a lot
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Speaker 17: more mining, by the way, I don't think that's actually
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Speaker 17: quite got through to people. When we're going to have
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Speaker 17: this transition, it requires an enormous amount of particularly rare
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Speaker 17: earth minerals. They're rare because you know they exist in
44:40
Speaker 17: the environment, but you've got to dig up a whole
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Speaker 17: lot of ground to get them. So a lot more
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Speaker 17: mining in the future. But Australia now is just behind
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Speaker 17: the United States as the most litigious place in the
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Speaker 17: world to do business. That message is getting out around
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Speaker 17: the world. People do not want to invest here because
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Speaker 17: it's getting too hard. That gold mine that you were
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Speaker 17: talking about as an example about how some of the
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Speaker 17: law is being weaponized against mining companies and particularly for
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Speaker 17: a green agenda, and not necessarily in the interests of
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Speaker 17: the local indigenous community which wants and needs jobs in
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Speaker 17: order to look after their community. And I'm like you.
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Speaker 17: At the turn of the last century, the turn of
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Speaker 17: the twentieth century, Australia actually decided it would be a
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Speaker 17: high wage economy, but we were a low energy cost economy.
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Speaker 17: We can't be in the twenty first century a high
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Speaker 17: wave and a high energy cost economy. That will not
45:28
Speaker 17: add up. Nothing will be made in Australia.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. Chris, thank you for being on
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Speaker 2: my show every week. It's fantastic and the feedback's great.
45:40
Speaker 2: All right, see you next week. After the break, I'll
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Speaker 2: get my panel thoughts for the first day of the DNC,
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Speaker 2: the Democratic National Convention, including that appearance by Hillary Clinton,
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Speaker 2: plus new poly shows Donald Trump is still ahead on
45:52
Speaker 2: a number of key issues. All right, let's get into
45:59
Speaker 2: all that new is out of Chicago. Skyns contributed. Kasha
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Speaker 2: Gada joins me now in former Labor MP Michael Danby
46:06
Speaker 2: Democratic and National Convention. Surprise appearance today by Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 3: Pretty short, but a.
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Speaker 2: Long experience appearance perhaps too long by Hillary Clinton. But
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Speaker 2: let's begin with President Biden's speech. She was greeted with
46:19
Speaker 2: a standing ovation, even tearing up as he reflected on
46:22
Speaker 2: his time as president.
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Speaker 6: I spent the hour in my lifetime to serve as
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Speaker 6: your president.
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Speaker 3: I love the job, but I love my country more.
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Speaker 16: You always talk about how I am man your old
46:37
Speaker 16: people said as she stepped down, that's not true, I.
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Speaker 2: Want to say, and I don't say this unkindly. It
46:46
Speaker 2: was like he was less medicated today. There was more
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Speaker 2: energy and it he seemed to be more with us
46:51
Speaker 2: in his face.
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Speaker 3: This is this Swan song.
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Speaker 2: He ran pretty hard on his legacy, and of course
46:56
Speaker 2: they don't want him to talk about his legacy because
46:59
Speaker 2: the credits don't want anyone to know.
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Speaker 3: She was tied to the retfule, which is unusual.
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Speaker 18: Usually the VP likes to ride the coattails of the
47:07
Speaker 18: incumbent president and not here. To me, what actually stood
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Speaker 18: out was I've found it.
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Speaker 3: A little bit sad.
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Speaker 18: It felt like the outcast family member was attending the
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Speaker 18: wedding and everybody knows that he's been outcast, but you
47:18
Speaker 18: have to preserve face and sort of put up appearance
47:21
Speaker 18: of good analogy. So it was a little bit sad
47:23
Speaker 18: in that sense, and I think it also was a
47:25
Speaker 18: reminder about why he was creating in the polls, because
47:27
Speaker 18: though he was better and perhaps less medicated. He is
47:30
Speaker 18: not exactly the greatest orator. The other quick thing that
47:32
Speaker 18: was interesting to me was what was happening outside of
47:34
Speaker 18: the convention hall. So we had the protesters, the pro Hamas,
47:38
Speaker 18: pro Poustine ones that everybody expected and shows the fracturing
47:41
Speaker 18: in the party. You also saw these pro abortion protesters
47:45
Speaker 18: who were dressed up as pills, abortion pills, which is
47:47
Speaker 18: a little bit memorable, and they were kind of going
47:49
Speaker 18: to the point where that is one issue that the
47:51
Speaker 18: Democrats are winning on and so that I think encapsulated
47:54
Speaker 18: where their base stands well.
47:57
Speaker 2: Guy to the polls, because there's been a bit of
47:58
Speaker 2: a resurgence or a tick back to Donald Trump, at
48:01
Speaker 2: least on the issues that I think matter most in
48:04
Speaker 2: the swing states. We can see some of those numbers
48:07
Speaker 2: up there on the screen, and this is an ABC
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Speaker 2: News Washington Post IPSOS poll. She's got a small lead
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Speaker 2: over Trump amongst registered voters, but on the key issues
48:17
Speaker 2: of the economy, inflation, migration, all the stuff, as I
48:21
Speaker 2: say that moves votes in the middle of the nation,
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Speaker 2: he's doing better.
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Speaker 10: He used a very important word, Peter, registered voters. It's
48:30
Speaker 10: what's important in a voluntary voting system like the United
48:33
Speaker 10: States is intending or likely voters. They're different from registered voters.
48:38
Speaker 10: Trumps are always done well with them. But when you
48:41
Speaker 10: have former advisor Kelly and Conway, Frank Luntz and other
48:47
Speaker 10: friends of Donald Trump telling him, including Nicky Haley, to
48:50
Speaker 10: stick to the issues, he's still put things into you
48:57
Speaker 10: that are up in the air because he still not
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Speaker 10: one hundred percent talking on those issues. The border, the economy, energy, Drill,
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Speaker 10: baby drill. Just keep talking and keep hammering those issues
49:10
Speaker 10: if you want to win, teas to lose.
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Speaker 2: He's getting clearance from Secret Service to go back to
49:16
Speaker 2: his outdoor rallies. I think that's part of where he's
49:19
Speaker 2: lost a bit of mojo. If he goes on policy,
49:23
Speaker 2: he's back in the game. If he stays on personalities,
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Speaker 2: I think he's in trouble.
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Speaker 18: The number one issue is the economy and the second
49:30
Speaker 18: is immigration in the border, and he has always been
49:32
Speaker 18: strong on those two and she is very weak on
49:35
Speaker 18: those two. The issue with him, of course, is he
49:37
Speaker 18: has to frame her and the media because the media
49:40
Speaker 18: has been providing cover for her, and occasionally you'll see
49:43
Speaker 18: a little bit of a slip up where maybe the
49:44
Speaker 18: pressure was too much for her, and she came out
49:46
Speaker 18: with her first ever policy proposal last week on the
49:48
Speaker 18: price caps, and it did not go well at all.
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Speaker 18: She got so much blowback, so that gave an opening
49:53
Speaker 18: for him, and he's coming back to policy a little bit.
49:55
Speaker 18: But I also do break from conventional wisdom a little
49:57
Speaker 18: bit where I think going after the personality in measure
50:00
Speaker 18: has its place because people do vote based on likability
50:03
Speaker 18: and personality as much as they do on policy, and
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Speaker 18: she's got deficits there as well that if you can
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Speaker 18: do it in a certain way that's not off putting,
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Speaker 18: there is something there, all right, Well, it'll be interesting.
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Speaker 3: Let's say how much she gets exposed before November. That's
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Speaker 3: it for me to say. Tomorrow night, He's Andrew Bolt.