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Glen Andresen on Hockey, Golf Loons Podcast, and Building Community in Sports Media · Scene Projects Sports Network

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  Welcome into the Scene Project Sports Network.
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  I am your host, Bubba Starts.
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  And with me today from the Golf Loons podcast, Glenn Andreessen.
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  Glenn, welcome to the show.
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  Appreciate the opportunity, Bubba.
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  Great to see you, and and thank you for having me.
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  It's a pleasure, man.
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  Followed you guys on social media.
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  Saw you posting in some of the the golf groups around Minnesota that I follow.
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  Thought what you were doing was super cool.
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  Reached out.
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  And a a month later, here we are, Glenn.
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  So I really appreciate you.
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  And, eventually, we're gonna have your partner on as well to kinda talk about his side of the
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  story.
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  But that's kinda what we wanna dig into today.
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  That that creator journey, getting to where you are now, by no means finished.
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  You guys are only in your first season of of golf loons, but a lot of progress in a short
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  amount of time.
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  But first, I wanna get a little bit of your backstory because it didn't start with golf,
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  did it?
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  No.
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  I I think most people know me as a a hockey person, a hockey guy, and same with Twig.
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  Twig's made his his life in the hockey world too.
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  So so by no means did we go into this as calling ourselves golf experts by any means.
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  We are people that love golf.
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  I came into the sport later in life.
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  I mean, I played junior golf, but but most of my teens and twenties, I hardly played at all,
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  and and now I'm addicted to it.
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  And, and Twig's been playing his whole life, really good golfer, but, it's kinda funny how
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  we found our way into this, and and Twig and I met through hockey.
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  So my backstory, I'll I'll I'll try to make it short to not bore your listeners, but I grew up
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  in Duluth, Minnesota, which is a hockey mad part of the the state and the country.
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  Grow up playing on outdoor rinks all the way through 10, 11 years old before you finally get
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  to go inside and play.
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  But it was it's a part of my blood.
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  I grew up.
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  I was my parents took me to UMD bulldog hockey games my whole life.
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  I just I I was part of that hockey culture in Minnesota and was fortunate enough after I
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  graduated from college.
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  I I my first job was an internship with the Minnesota Wild.
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  It was their second year of existence, and I spent the better part of nine years there and
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  worked in a lot of different functions, mostly in the marketing area.
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  But I, you know, did the website, so I did a ton of writing and had to do you know, conduct
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  interviews and do some on camera stuff.
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  So I've developed a little bit of, you know, some media background back then.
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  We we actually started back when podcasts first started, we we started one called the Minnesota
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  Wild Pondcast with Kevin Faulnas from Minnesota Wild.
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  And so I had a little bit of media background, but leaving the wild, back in 2012, I took the
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  job as executive director of Minnesota hockey, which is the the amateur governing body for
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  amateur and youth hockey in the state of Minnesota.
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  And so I I kinda had to give up or not have to, but I gave up sort of writing and and video
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  content work and things like that to lead that organization.
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  And during that time, Mike Turwilliger was one of my hires, and he came on as the hockey
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  programs manager.
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  He left his life of teaching to go do this, but he stayed involved as a a high school coach.
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  He's been coaching hockey his his whole life ever since he stopped playing college hockey at
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  at Saint Lawrence, and he can tell you more about his his hockey background.
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  But him and I worked together for about six or seven years at Minnesota hockey and developed a
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  great friendship.
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  He decided to go back into the teaching world and, but we we stayed close friends, and I
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  approached him at one point because, I was looking to do a little bit of a side hustle.
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  I wanted to teach tennis lessons for my kids and their friends, and so we started a tennis
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  lesson business.
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  And we we still have done that the last four years, but couple about a year and a half ago,
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  we sat down and he kinda said, you know, I'm I'm leaving my high school coaching role.
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  I'm I'm I'm kinda looking for the next thing.
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  And we sat down.
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  We we were talking about ideas for a for a podcast, which is something I never thought I
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  would do.
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  And but I did say to him, I I was like, Twig, like, when we play golf, you you have this
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  ridiculous photographic memory of every course, every hole, every shot that you hit, every shot
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  that anyone that you play with hits, what they score on.
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  So so let's utilize that.
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  Let's let's tell people you know, one thing I love is playing golf courses and and learning
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  about golf courses and knowing how to play golf courses.
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  And so that was kind of the idea that we had is Twig is really good about telling he he's not
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  the kind of guy that when you play with him, he's gonna tell you how to hit the ball or how
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  to swing or anything like that.
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  But he will tell you what a hole is like, what's what you should do on a certain hole if
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  if you want if you're open to that information.
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  And so that's where this all came about.
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  I said, Twiggler, you have this gift.
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  I'll I just kinda wanna share it help him share it with people.
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  So I'm more or less the guy who just says, what should people do on each hole at a golf course
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  in in Minnesota or Wisconsin?
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  And and then he takes that and runs with it.
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  And then we share kind of our whole experience at a at a golf course.
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  So we feel like we found there's so many golf golf podcasts out there.
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  You know, ours is pretty hyper local in Minnesota and Wisconsin, and it's not we don't
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  expect just anyone to go sit down and listen to, you know, us talk an hour about a certain
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  golf course if they don't intend on playing it or have never played it.
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  But we feel like some people are interested, and and I'm one of those people that if I was
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  gonna go play a course for the first time, I'd love to hear, you know, what people say about
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  it, what to look for.
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  So I I I hope I didn't take too long in in getting to the point of where we are right now.
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  Yeah.
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  Come on.
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  Hockey players aren't known for taking the long way around.
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  That's, straight to the net.
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  I love it, man.
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  And that's what really attracted me to you guys was I saw the content that you were putting
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  out.
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  And for one, just the two personalities, I think, really attracted me to, you know,
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  YouTube, but the content that you're creating is different.
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  It it is golf course content, but it's not, hey.
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  Look at me in this awesome shot that I hit.
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  Right?
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  Like, I'm not that good, so I'm not creating that style of content anyway.
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  But I was really focused on, like, well, how do we serve the courses that are gracious enough
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  to let us go hit them?
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  And what you are doing and and, obviously, Twig has the the gift of, the photographic memory
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  that I definitely do not have, but he's also played the game for a a long time, and and
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  that's kinda built into it.
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  Essentially, what he's giving you is the caddy tips to every course that you guys play.
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  Like, that's extremely valuable, I I think, not only to the people that may, you know,
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  prospectively play the course and fans of that, but I think there's a value to the courses
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  themselves to kinda promote that stuff to say, hey.
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  Before you come play our course, listen to Golf Loons this episode here and and, you know, have
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  a little bit better idea of what you're walking into, especially if it's your first time and
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  you're maybe not the world's greatest golfer, which, I mean, nobody is.
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  Right?
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  So it's, it it it's really an interesting the the the take that you guys put on the golf
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  content.
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  It's super hot, especially on YouTube right now.
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  But then to make it an interesting podcast and long form content on top of that by adding in,
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  you know, maybe the vibes of the course or or certain things that you liked or a story that
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  you picked up while you were there, I think it makes for really engaging and, so just really
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  great content.
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  Well, thank you.
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  I I appreciate you saying that.
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  And and, yeah, if you're if you're looking for a course or or if you're looking for a podcast
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  where we're gonna go just tear into a course that wasn't up to our standards, like, that's
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  not what we're about.
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  I I I do think it's kind of the the idea of of a rising tide lift all lifts all boats.
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  And so and hey.
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  Like, there might be a municipal course that's not in the shape of Augusta National.
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  Like, that's not the point.
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  The point is really to highlight all these options, like exactly like you said.
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  We want people that are 25 handicappers or five handicappers or plus five handicappers to to
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  listen and see what we have to say about the course, and that doesn't mean that they're
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  gonna have to agree with us.
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  But we just wanna share as much as we can about a course so people either wanna play it or or
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  wanna engage with us and tell us, you know, what we're why we're wrong or or what it might
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  whatever it might be.
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  So so, yeah, we we we try to give honest takes, but we we're not in the in the business of
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  bashing a course.
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  We we are trying to promote the sport, promote these golf courses.
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  And, I mean, Minnesota is really lucky that we have so many great options to play, whether
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  it's in the metro area or beyond, and same with Wisconsin.
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  There are there are so many great courses.
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  The last thing I'll say about that is I've learned, as a very average golfer, I've learned
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  to just enjoy the game regardless of how I play and to enjoy a course regardless of well,
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  there's some burnout or, you know, there's you know, the greens are too slow or whatever.
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  Like, I just don't get into that because I don't like, golf is golf to me.
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  Right?
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  And I love playing beautiful special courses, and that's great.
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  But the funny thing is we have a guest on each time, and we always ask them.
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  One of the questions is always, you know, what's your favorite course in Minnesota or
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  Wisconsin?
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  And very rarely do they say, you know, it's one of these top 10 courses, know, ranked by Golf
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  Digest.
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  It's usually this muni course that they grew up playing on with their buddies, you know, when
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  they still like going or this this course that they, started playing with their son or
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  daughter.
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  You know?
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  And so golf is just the the sport I've learned over time.
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  I hated it for such a long time, and now I I love it.
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  But it is just a sport where you just it's about enjoying the ride, enjoying the journey.
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  And so this podcast is hopefully, we're enjoying these courses for what they are,
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  whether they're a top tier course or a a local muni.
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  Like, there's something special about any course, that's what we're hoping to to showcase
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  in this podcast.
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  Well and and we talk about it a lot in the podcast world of providing value.
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  What value does it have either to the listener or or to, you know, in this case, the golf
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  courses?
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  And I think you guys are serving both of those communities, which I I feel like is something
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  that, you know, sometimes some of our content doesn't necessarily serve the people who are
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  going to play it in a way that it could.
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  Right?
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  I'm not a good enough golfer to tell you what I can do.
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  I haven't played most of these courses more than once.
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  You know?
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  I stepped onto the Layman 18 out at Craighan's Legacy Courses while I was out there for the
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  CRMC championship just last week kinda dating this episode a little bit, but, you know, that
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  course kicked my butt three ways from Sunday.
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  Right?
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  All over it.
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  You're talking about a championship level course.
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  And and, I mean, I'm if I would have been keeping score, I don't even think I shot 18.
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  By the time I got there, was like, I'm done.
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  My back hurts.
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  My my feet hurt.
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  This thing is beautiful.
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  Like, I just wanna enjoy my time out here.
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  I'm very fortunate to get to be out here in the first place kinda playing a course that not a
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  lot of people get the access to do that, especially, you know, kind of putting it you
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  know, getting on the course as part of our, you know, our service for what we had done for the
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  championship.
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  Right?
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  So, I I mean, I can't afford to go pay the greens fees at some of these courses, but I had
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  just as much fun going out with my wife and playing bull rush up there, you know, kind of
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  on the way to Duluth.
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  Right?
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  Exactly.
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  And I can play
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  in the layman.
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  Oh, man.
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  I love that course.
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  So we had a great time out there and got, you know, connected with another, gentleman who had
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  played it regularly.
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  So he was kinda giving us he was giving us the twig treatment.
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  Right?
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  He's like, hey.
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  You wanna get to play this and not that I'm capable of playing it into those areas, but at
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  least I had a goal in mind when I was, you know, hucking it down the fairway.
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  Exactly.
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  I love I love when saying people, you know, just land it in that right by the one fifty
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  stake.
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  Like, well, okay.
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  If I could hit it straight every time, that's exactly what I would do.
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  But it it does give you that that idea of, like, okay.
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  This is what I should at least try to do.
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  And, you know, it's funny you say Bulrush.
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  Like, I've I've always said, like, anytime I'm driving on a highway and I see a course over to
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  the side of the road, I'm just immediately drawn to it, I wanna play it.
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  And I go up to Duluth all the time, so Bullrush is right there.
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  You see it.
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  And, yeah, I love that court.
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  Like, I love there's nothing better.
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  That's where I like to stop on my way to Duluth or on my way back if I can and and just get out
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  there.
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  Yeah.
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  Couldn't be easier to get to.
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  No.
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  Exactly.
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  Exactly.
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  It's right there.
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  But yeah.
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  And, like, the the thing with Twig so this all and, again, this idea started because I was I
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  play in a golf thing with my buddies every summer.
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  We go to a different course, usually in Minnesota or Wisconsin.
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  And two years ago, I was going to Deacon's Lodge, up in the Brainerd area, which you're
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  familiar with.
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  And Twig grew up playing at Deacon's Lodge.
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  They have a cabin there.
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  And I was nervous before my my event started, my tournament, and and I'm just like, hey.
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  Any advice you got for me?
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  So he sent me 18 little bullet points with two two pieces of advice for every hole.
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  And, you know, I didn't crush it that weekend, but I I played I felt more confident playing
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  that course than I than I would have if without that.
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  So that's what we're trying to do for everyone and just give these bite sized nuggets of of,
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  support for people as they play a course for the first time or the second.
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  Especially if you've if you've never seen a course before, you have no idea what you're
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  getting into.
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  And I think that's what's really cool about the video versions of your podcast is that you're
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  including, you know, pictures and and maybe some video clips or or things that you're able
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  to show them, and maybe this evolves into, you know, drone flyovers for every hole in the
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  future.
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  Who knows where the podcast goes in season two?
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  But you you mentioned when we were off camera that this has kinda become not just you and
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  your buddy going out and and connecting on this and then having guests, but it's also provided
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  an opportunity for you to get a little closer with your daughter on the postproduction side
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  too.
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  Really interested to know, what that's like for you, especially having a teenage daughter
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  that's going to be off to college here soon.
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  Getting some of this time together to do something that you both now enjoy doing
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  together.
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  Yeah.
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  It's thanks for bringing that up because it is it it has just been an added unexpected benefit
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  to doing all this.
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  When we started this, I knew we wanted to do video because you can't just talk about a golf
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  course.
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  It's really hard to imagine it if you can't see it.
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  So I knew we needed a YouTube component to this, and we talked about, like, without much
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  money doing this, do we bring in some production company and and have them go out
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  there?
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  And we talked to some people, but for year one, we're like, let's just keep it simple.
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  And my daughter, who's 16, is really good at just editing video.
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  And I was like, would you wanna do this with me?
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  And and she said yes.
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  And so, yeah, I mean, she's 16 years old.
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  She doesn't love golf, and, you know, she's kinda finding her way and her friends and, you
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  know, being around dad probably isn't super cool anymore.
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  But, basically, every Tuesday night, we sit down at about 08:38 thirty at night and, and
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  work on this video together.
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  And it has been just a you know, I look forward to it not only to get the the episode done, but
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  just spend some time with her.
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  And and she it's fun to watch her work.
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  I'll tell her what picture to show.
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  You know, we'll listen to it.
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  I'll say, stop right there.
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  Can you throw this picture in?
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  She does it.
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  I mean and we get through it in a couple hours, and it's just, it's been super fun to to spend
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  that time with her.
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  And, as kids get older, you're as a dad, you're kind of always searching for ways to keep
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  connecting and keep bonding.
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  And so with her, that is, that's one of the ways we've been able to do it.
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  So and god, thank god I have her because I don't know how we would, I'm not savvy enough
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  or technical enough to figure out how to do all that.
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  And so, so I'm just I'm blessed and grateful that that she's willing to do that with me.
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  Yeah.
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  An unforeseen added advantage and, you know, a a really cool bonus to to doing all this
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  content and bringing, you know, people together.
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  And I think, ultimately, that's what you guys are going to do.
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  And I know you're so early in this journey, but I I you know, not that I'm trying to, you know,
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  insert myself or or throw some dreams at you that maybe aren't yours, but there's so much
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  you can do growing a community around this.
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  Right?
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  Building out live events where people are consuming this content and they're watching and
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  they're using your tips and maybe Twig helps them shave a couple of strokes off the next
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  time that they play a course out there and they beat their buddy.
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  Like, you're starting to get a personal investment from these people in that way in the
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  long run.
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  Right?
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  And it may not be in year two or year three, but the longer you keep going, the more you're
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  gonna have this community where eventually we have, you know, the golf loons invitational,
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  we're all able to go out there and to play against one another, right, and to keep
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  creating.
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  And that's really what, you guys are in the very early stage of that.
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  And I think if you keep going, it's going to naturally evolve into something like that,
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  especially because you're hyper localized.
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  Right?
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  You're you're not doing the best courses in the country.
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  You're saying, no.
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  We want the best courses in our geographical area, and that's going to attract a listener
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  that is in your geographical area, and it's going to endear you to courses that are in that
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  area as well.
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  So I think it's really cool.
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  Like, the entire format, the idea around the content, and then all the ancillary things that
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  are that are coming out of it as well, the relationships you're forming, you know, or the
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  relationships that you're deepening both with your friend and and and, you know, content
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  partner, but with your kids too.
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  I just think that's super cool.
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  And something that people who are content creators, right, which is what we all are now,
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  that that we don't always realize can be a benefit to creating the content.
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  Yeah.
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  Well and the other people that we're connecting with are our guests.
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  And so we one of the stipulations we have is we want guests that we interview, but we they have
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  to play the they have to play with us that day.
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  And so, you know, we're at 12 episodes now.
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  We've had 12 guests or actually 11 because I was one of the guests for one of the episodes.
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  But so we want interesting people who are successful, and we wanna talk to them about
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  golf.
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  But we wanna talk to them about just life too and what makes them successful and and how they
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  got to where they are.
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  So we've had you know, those guests have been heavy in hockey because that's where our
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  connections are, but we wanna branch out from that.
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  You know, talking to you, Bubba, is is one way, to do that.
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  Like, you you would we want you on there.
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  Right?
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  We want we want people who are
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  What are you guys doing this weekend?
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  The clubs are in the truck already from last weekend, and I'm coming up to Minneapolis.
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  So Where we'll see if we can get something, out on the course.
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  Can can you get away on Sunday morning?
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  Because we got an opening for you if you want.
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  Hey.
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  It depends how early it is.
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  Vikings don't kick off until 03:05.
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  Right?
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  So I got plenty of time to go get around in.
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  Alright.
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  Well, we're we're gonna chat here offline.
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  But
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  Yeah.
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  Love it.
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  But, no, like so, like, we love like, I just love hearing from people what makes them
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  successful.
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  And so that's the other benefit to this podcast that that for me is I just love talking to
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  these people.
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  And, you know, they're people from my life, and, hopefully, they're people that come in
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  that are not you know, have not been part of my life.
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  But, you know, we just had Matt Maker, the president of the Minnesota Wild on.
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  We just had John King who does the the famous the world famous hockey hair videos for the
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  Minnesota State High School tournament.
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  It was an honor for me to talk to Kyle Schmidt who, scored the first, who scored the overtime
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  game winner in two thousand eleven national championship game for UMD to give them their
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  first national title.
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  So so it's just like those are the kind of people we've had, and and those are great.
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  And we wanna we'll keep having hockey people on, but we want basketball people.
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  We want business people.
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  We want entertainers.
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  And and it's not just about, like, well, can we get an influencer who has a ton of followers?
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  It's just we wanna talk to interesting people.
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  Again, if if people, like, love to listen to it, that's great.
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  But I just love talking to those people, and Twig loves talking to those people and hearing
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  about their life and their journey to where they are.
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  And, so there's another little added component to the the golfoons that we hope even if you
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  don't care about a certain course, maybe you care about the guests that we we played with
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  that day.
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  So
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  Yeah.
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  Well, you know what?
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  Thielen was out there.
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  He's a competitive golfer, loves the sport.
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  Got some connections with him and his team.
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  You never know what may happen for the golf loons.
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  He he's a little bit more freed up in his time these days, and I know he loves the game.
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  So maybe I'll put a a a bug, over there in his team's ear and see if we can make something
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  happen on there and and get some football guys on.
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  We love that.
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  We love that.
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  Did you know that he is from Minnesota?
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  That was
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  That's always the that's always the the running joke here.
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  Did you know that their last name is not pronounced Thielen?
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  It's Thielen.
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  That's something I learned while I was in Brainerd last weekend.
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  That I did not.
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  Bunch of
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  his cousins, right, which I'm sure anyone that has a name that's even close to being spelled
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  the same claims.
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  But, yeah, big shout out to Adam.
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  He was a huge draw out there for the CRMC, and it's really awesome to see someone like that
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  who understands the role of what their job is that day.
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  There it's not you know, he's not there to make the cut.
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  Does he wanna be competitive?
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  You know, there's levels to this.
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  Right?
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  And going out and watching.
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  And even though these guys are PGA Tour of Americas, which is kind of the lowest level of
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  professional, you know, PGA golf, they're still really, really good.
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  And Oh, yeah.
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  And several of the people who have won that tournament have gone on to have, PGA wins.
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  Right?
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  I think three out of the last five or something have gone on to have wins on the PGA tour.
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  So this is kind of a feeder in that tournament specifically, seems to be one that challenges
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  these people that kinda proves their mettle in, in the sport.
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  Right?
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  To say, hey.
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  If you can win on this course, you can you can go out and win on really any course out there.
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  So really impressive.
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  Love what you guys are doing, man.
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  I I think the the sky is the limit as far as where you can take this and where it grows from
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  that.
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  Love that, you know, you're getting these hockey people on.
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  And I love that you're a little bit selfish as a creator and, like, I wanna have a good time
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  doing this.
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  I'm not creating for the fans necessarily.
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  We love our fans the same way that I do, but I'm creating stuff that I like to do, that I'm
• 23:51
  interested in.
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  Because once I stop doing that and I just start creating for an audience, then I'm going to
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  find that burnout very quickly.
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  I am going to, not want to do it anymore.
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  It's gonna feel like a job, and that's not why I quit my job to do this stuff in the first
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  place.
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  Right?
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  So, Glenn, you know, sixteen years ago leaving the wild and kind of your media background at
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  that, did you ever think that, you know, all these years later, you would kinda be back in
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  the media space?
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  No.
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  Not at all.
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  Well, not real.
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  Not really.
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  I certainly didn't think I'd be in the in the media space talking about golf.
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  At at that time in my life, I was playing maybe five times a year.
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  But I don't know.
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  I I just one thing and and I haven't talked about this.
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  I loved writing when I was at the wild.
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  I wrote about every game, every player, whatever.
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  And so this has got me back into writing too because on the website, I do a blog about each
• 24:50
  course too, but it's more I talk less about the course maybe than we do on the podcast and more
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  just about random stuff that I think about after playing that course and playing with that
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  guest and playing that day and try to inject a little bit of humor into that.
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  So it's brought back the writing piece, and I always thought I would get back into writing.
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  So to answer your question, I think somehow I knew I would I would write again.
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  I did not know it would be in this space.
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  But, but yeah.
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  So I hope people if you check out golfoons.com and and, you you either listen or watch, but
• 25:24
  you can also read read something.
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  And so, yeah, so I hope people like it.
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  And and exactly what you said.
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  I'd be lying if I said I don't want people to like it.
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  I I certainly do.
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  I want people to enjoy it.
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  But if they don't, you know, I wanna enjoy what I'm doing.
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  And and if I get, some satisfaction out of that and and every time we wrap up an episode and I
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  post a blog or, you know, my daughter and I publish a video, like, it there is that sense
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  of, you know, we accomplished something.
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  We we put something out there.
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  And our most recent guest, John King, that's his biggest advice is to people is just in
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  life, put something out there.
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  You know, put yourself out there and put something out there.
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  Do what you're doing, Bubba, and you're you're creating content.
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  You're putting it out there.
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  And, it's easy for people to have ideas about doing that.
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  It's harder to put that plan into action and execute it.
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  And so, you know, you're proof of that, and I'm and I'm too late in my life to to be doing
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  this, but I'm I'm finally doing it.
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  And so I'm happy about that.
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  I'm really happy that that Twig is along for the ride too, and we're doing it together.
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  Yeah.
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  I I think it's I think it's awesome.
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  And and that satisfaction, because I've done so many of these video episodes, that I wasn't
• 26:44
  getting that from the the just the video interviews anymore.
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  Right?
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  Which is why we kinda had to reach further.
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  Right?
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  And doing four days on-site at the CRMC and and really just being out there writing the blog
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  article after and including the photos from a team of photographers that brought out that
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  were just happy to be there for the experience, help build their portfolio, but then getting
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  that email back like, wow.
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  You guys did a great job on this.
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  You got some awesome shots.
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  Thanks so much for the write up.
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  Was like, okay.
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  That's I'm finding my why inside of it again.
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  Right?
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  I'm no longer just kind of a a dog chasing cars down the street.
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  We're we're starting to run alongside of the cars and realizing that, well, we just like to
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  run.
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  And and that's kind of what it what it's about.
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  And that's exactly what we're all doing is we're finding our stride now, and you guys
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  definitely have something.
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  I was able to identify that really early on with it.
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  You have a very well put together.
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  It's probably your your days in marketing, right, that everything is very well put
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  together.
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  Great logo, great website.
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  You you know what content that you want to create.
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  And, not everyone out there in this space that says that they want to are either one capable
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  of it or willing to learn how to go and do that to put together a solid product.
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  And, ultimately, that's why I think you guys are gonna be very successful in what you do,
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  and and there's gonna be some longevity here.
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  Right?
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  Golf is a lifetime sport.
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  Unlike hockey, that is not an old man's game by any means.
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  You guys can do this for many, many years to come, and I really hope you do.
• 28:18
  Well, yeah, I I hope so.
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  And thank you so much for saying that, and we really appreciate it.
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  And we we we're we're new at this.
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  Right?
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  This is our first year.
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  We're 13 episodes in.
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  We but the the idea is just to keep improving and getting better, and I'm excited for the I I
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  hate winter.
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  I hate winter.
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  Growing up in Minnesota, you're supposed to love it.
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  Each year I've gotten older, I hate it.
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  But I'm actually excited about this winter because I really wanna utilize it to, you know,
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  focus on what we do in in year two, season two.
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  And we'll we'll still do some interview stuff over the winter, but but, yeah, I'm excited to
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  just keep improving and keep trying to get better at it.
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  By no means am I a polished media personality or interviewer or anything like that, so I know
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  that there's ways, you know, I can get better at that.
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  But but it's out there.
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  Right?
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  We started it, and, you know, you just wanna keep climbing that mountain.
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  Like we said, it's the journey, and there is no finish line to this.
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  There is no amount of money that we we're trying to hit or anything.
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  We just wanna keep keep doing this, and and we hope people like it.
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  And, you know, really, really appreciate you saying the nice things that you have about us.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, you like it, and I like it, and and that's really all that matters right now.
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  If other people are attracted to it and it and it builds a fan base and a community around it,
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  great.
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  But if not, we're still gonna be doing what we're doing.
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  And I think that's the the point that and some advice to other people who wanna create
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  content.
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  Find out how to do it.
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  You don't need a million dollar studio.
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  You don't need thousand, $10,000 cameras.
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  Just go out and do it.
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  You can shoot things on your iPhone at this point and make them look good.
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  Go do something that you're passionate about and, just keep doing it.
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  And then eventually, you know, your your level of success, is completely hinged on what
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  success looks like to you and how much time and energy you're willing to give it.
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  So I love what you guys are doing, Glenn.
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  Appreciate you jumping on with me today.
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  Can't wait to get out.
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  Hopefully, Sunday, do some golfing with you guys, and thank you for being part of the
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  scene.
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  Absolutely, Bubba.
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  Thank you so much.
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  Really appreciate the time, and I'm I'm glad that we, started this relationship.
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  I think, I think we'd love to keep talking with you.
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  And I know Twig's looking forward to talking to you as well.
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  So, really appreciate you having me on.
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  Can't wait.
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  We'll talk to you soon.
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  Alright.
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  Thank you, Bubba.