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Speaker 1: Kids is the reform it Well Good evening. Coming up
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Speaker 1: on the show tonight, Anthony Fauci, America's chief medical officer
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Speaker 1: during the pandemic, gets roasted by Congress Or discuss what
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Speaker 1: happened with Sean Spicer. Australia to use psychedelic drugs to
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Speaker 1: treat people with PTSD in a controversial trial beginning in
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Speaker 1: Sydney tomorrow, And a primary school is under investigation for
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Speaker 1: playing an anti white song to school kids every morning.
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Speaker 1: But first, the more I try to understand the Albanezy government,
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Speaker 1: the more confused I become. Today we learn that NDIS
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Speaker 1: Minister Bill Shorten will be representing Australia at a Ukraine
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Speaker 1: peace summit in Switzerland. And we also learned today that
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Speaker 1: some people on the NDIS have been spending ten thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars on taxpayer funded holidays. Now I'm not suggesting for
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Speaker 1: a moment that the two are related, but I am
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Speaker 1: confused as to why the Minister for Disabilities is.
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Speaker 2: Flying off to Europe to talk about the war with Russia.
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Speaker 1: Shorten says he will use his appearance at the global
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Speaker 1: summit to warn that Russian President Vladimir Putin can't be
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Speaker 1: allowed to triumph in Ukraine as it would embolden autocrats
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Speaker 1: around the world. Well for the six hundred and twenty
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars we learned yesterday that Bill Shorton was paying
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Speaker 1: his speech writer. I expect his summit address may well
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Speaker 1: end the war.
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Speaker 3: If you're trying to link me to that, good luck.
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Speaker 2: The point about it is the person involved, as the
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Speaker 2: speechwriter does a very good job.
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Speaker 4: I'm not responsible for negotiating a contract.
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Speaker 1: Shorten may not be the Defense Minister, but he's certainly
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Speaker 1: the defensive Minister. If only he could make a speech
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Speaker 1: Tondis Wroughts, peace in Ukraine may well be easier. But
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Speaker 1: why would the Disabilities Minister, rather than say, the Defense
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Speaker 1: Minister or the Foreign Minister, be putting forward Australia's position
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Speaker 1: on the war in Ukraine. Maybe it's because our Defense
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Speaker 1: minister is embarrassed to show his face. Last December, the
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Speaker 1: Ukrainians requested our government send them an urgent shipment of
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Speaker 1: coal to keep their power going through winter. Well six
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Speaker 1: months later they still haven't received even a reply. The
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Speaker 1: Ukrainians shouldn't feel special, though, we don't know if we'll
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Speaker 1: have power in summer. Nevertheless, Richard Males insists we're committed
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Speaker 1: to help in Ukraine, which is why earlier this year
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Speaker 1: we buried forty five Taipan helicopters rather than donate them
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Speaker 1: to our beleagued allies in Kiev. Maybe the government's reluctance
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Speaker 1: to send urgently needed coal to Ukraine has something to
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Speaker 1: do with the government's.
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Speaker 2: Ideological hatred of the stuff.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they just can't get their heads around the idea
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Speaker 1: that coal, which Energy Minister Chris Bowen continually demonizes, could
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Speaker 1: actually be used for humanitarian purposes. No, no, we can't
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Speaker 1: have that. That would be sending mixed messages. Then again,
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Speaker 1: this government specializes in mixed messages. Foreign Minister Penny Wong
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Speaker 1: last night affirmed that Hamas was indeed a terrorist organization,
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Speaker 1: but in the same breath she refused to rule out
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Speaker 1: supporting a Palestinian state in which Hamas had a governance role.
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Speaker 5: The world is confronted with a catastrophic set of circumstances.
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Speaker 5: We have a terrorist group Hamas, which is dedicated to
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Speaker 5: the destruction in the state of Israel and the destruction
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Speaker 5: of the Jewish people.
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Speaker 6: We have.
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Speaker 5: A conflict, civilians are dying. A two state solution is
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Speaker 5: ultimately the only path to peace and security for is.
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Speaker 7: So.
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Speaker 1: Hamas is a terrorist group that the Albanezi government could
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Speaker 1: get behind if backing terrorists, which she is illegal, helped
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Speaker 1: promote peace, which she's ridiculous. He's a little won to
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Speaker 1: protesters feel emboldened to chant for Hamas. Speaking of anti
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Speaker 1: Israel protesters, Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi has finally been moved
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Speaker 1: to condemn them, declaring that the protesters' actions were appalling
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Speaker 1: and had no place in a democracy. The PM took
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Speaker 1: time out today to comfort those traumatized by the angry mobs,
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Speaker 1: and he spoke words of sympathy to those whose property
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Speaker 1: had been vandalized by pro Palestinian supporters. But you'd be
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Speaker 1: wrong to assume he was speaking to terrified members of
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Speaker 1: the Jewish community in Corefield, or to Jewish worshippers at
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Speaker 1: a synagogue.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: No, the Prime Minister was speaking to members of his
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Speaker 1: own government in a Labour caucus meeting. You see, this
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Speaker 1: week a number of Labor electorate offices were targeted by
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Speaker 1: the pro Palestinian supporters and suddenly, well the PM was highly.
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Speaker 2: Motivated to act.
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Speaker 1: You see, red paint was splashed across the front of
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Speaker 1: Attorney General Mark Dreyfus and NDIS Minister Bill Shorten's suburban officers.
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Speaker 1: Protesters also wrote slogans accusing the MPs of being complicit
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Speaker 1: in genocide. The Prime Minister lamented it had been a
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Speaker 1: difficult time for a number of his MPs and their staff.
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Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying the PM shouldn't be outraged by
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Speaker 1: the wanton vandalism of electric officers, and I'm not suggesting
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Speaker 1: office staff don't deserve support, but you have to wonder
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Speaker 1: how the Jewish community felt to see the speed at
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Speaker 1: which the Prime Minister pushed back on protesters when it
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Speaker 1: was Labour MPs who were being targeted. But none of
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Speaker 1: that was as confusing as the fact that Andrew Giles
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Speaker 1: remains in charge of the Immigration portfolio. The Immigration Minister's
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Speaker 1: incompetencies by now the stuff of legend. The minister who
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Speaker 1: created direction only to blame bureaucrats for following the direction
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Speaker 1: he created. It's now started canceling decisions made in accordance
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Speaker 1: with his direction while working night and day on a
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Speaker 1: new direction to fix the mess created by his original direction.
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Speaker 1: And if that sounds confusing, well imagine how he feels.
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Speaker 1: Yet we're assured by his cabinet colleagues Andrew Giles is
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Speaker 1: doing a great job. This is the minister who said
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Speaker 1: on Friday that drones were being used to track the
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Speaker 1: movement of foreign born criminals, before admitting Monday drones were
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Speaker 1: not being used at all. Well, the ears of Defense
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Speaker 1: Minister Richard Marles must have pricked up at the mention
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Speaker 1: of drones, since, despite continually being told that war is imminent,
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Speaker 1: our military haven't got a single attack drone.
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Speaker 2: We can't afford them.
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Speaker 1: Of course, we might find some more money for defense
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Speaker 1: if we reform the NDS. But the ndis Minister, well,
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Speaker 1: he's in Europe giving speeches to an ally. We can't
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Speaker 1: spare a lump of coal for while the Foreign Minister
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Speaker 1: is holding out an olive branch to hamas as Hermas supporters,
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Speaker 1: vandalized government officers and we still have no direct What
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Speaker 1: a mess. Well, perhaps National Senator Matt Canavan can help
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Speaker 1: me make sense of it all.
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Speaker 2: Matt, great to see you.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to get your perspective on the Andrew Giles fiasco.
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Speaker 1: If the humiliating fallout from his mishandling of our immigration
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Speaker 1: system wasn't enough. Giles has been exposed yet again. During
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Speaker 1: question time today, Andrew Giles made this claim Direction.
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Speaker 8: Ninety nine has not been working as intended.
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Speaker 2: But is that really true?
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Speaker 1: Because in a video from November twenty twenty two obtained
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Speaker 1: by The Australian newspaper, Giles boasts to refugee activists about
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Speaker 1: the true intention behind his ill fated Direction ninety nine.
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Speaker 4: One of the big issues that we have dealt with
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Speaker 4: as a government is to have regard to the minister
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Speaker 4: or direction that operates in respect the cancelized generation, and
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Speaker 4: have had close regard, particularly on the basis that discussions
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Speaker 4: with their friends in New Zealand about how this can
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Speaker 4: operate in a way that better reflects our obligation to
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Speaker 4: people who have spent the majority of their lives in
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Speaker 4: Australia as opposed to another country.
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Speaker 1: Well, judging from that, it seems like mister Giles had
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Speaker 1: a very clear intention with Direction ninety nine and it
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Speaker 1: worked exactly as he intended it to. He's only now
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Speaker 1: repealed it because of the blowback he's received. Matt, shouldn't
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Speaker 1: this be the final nail in the coffin for Giles?
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Speaker 9: Well, I don't think there's enough space in this coffin
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Speaker 9: to put another nail in. I mean, how many more
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Speaker 9: stuff ups can you preside over and still remain in
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Speaker 9: Anthony Albanesi's ministry. What this shows today though, is that
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Speaker 9: look Edward Giles is obviously a very error prone minister.
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Speaker 9: But what is even worse is that his biggest mistakes
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Speaker 9: have actually been the intentional deconstruction of Australia's border regime.
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Speaker 9: And now this goes to the heart of the promise
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Speaker 9: that Anthony Alberanezi made to the Australian electorate at the
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Speaker 9: last election. He said there wasn't a cigarette paper between
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Speaker 9: him and the Coalition on Australia's borders. He tried to
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Speaker 9: hoodwink Australians by saying that he would maintain the border
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Speaker 9: policies that were successful implemented by first Tony Abbott, Scott Morrison,
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Speaker 9: Malcolm Turnbull and then he obviously hasn't. And then behind
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Speaker 9: the scenes, behind the scenes, he deconstructed our nation's borders
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Speaker 9: with this direction. As you've just played there, the intent
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Speaker 9: was to do that. It was an intentional change. And
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Speaker 9: Andrew Joles has possibly misled the House today by saying
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Speaker 9: it wasn't and you know they would have gone away
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Speaker 9: with it if you like, like a Scooby Doo episode,
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Speaker 9: but for the intrepid journalistic work of Paul Garvey, and
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Speaker 9: it round and down at the Australian who have undercovered
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Speaker 9: all of these cases where this direction on has led
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Speaker 9: the most heenous criminals to stay in Australia. It's just
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Speaker 9: unbelievably scandalous and the government's only changing course now because
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Speaker 9: they've been found out.
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Speaker 1: Man, I want to get onto some other issues, but
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Speaker 1: just before we leave that the Direction ninety nine scandal.
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Speaker 1: The thing that stood out most to me about that
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Speaker 1: video from Giles talking to refugee advocates is where he
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Speaker 1: talks about the government's obligation quote unquote to foreign born
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Speaker 1: convicted criminals, what about the obligation to the safety and
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Speaker 1: well being of Australian citizens.
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Speaker 9: And this is remarkable. I mean this goes to show that, Look,
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Speaker 9: Andrew Giles is, as I say, erra prone, but he
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Speaker 9: is not ignorant of immigration law. This is somebody who
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Speaker 9: represented refugees on the tampership twenty years ago. His whole
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Speaker 9: career has been steeped in immigration law. He knew what
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Speaker 9: he was doing, and as I say, the only embarrassment
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Speaker 9: he has now is being found out about it. He's
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Speaker 9: only got himself to blame, the Prime Minister. This was
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Speaker 9: also at the Prime Misters's direction in response to new
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Speaker 9: yet that complianes from New Zealand, and as I say,
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Speaker 9: this goes at the feet of now the Prime Minister's
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Speaker 9: promises he made to the Australian people. There is a
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Speaker 9: huge difference obviously now on the protection of our borders
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Speaker 9: between the Coalition Labor Party and if people want to
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Speaker 9: return to a world where we had safe borders and
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Speaker 9: you have to worry about NUS criminals being allowed to
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Speaker 9: stay this country, well you need to let the guy
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Speaker 9: that did it last time, Peter Dutton. He knows how
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Speaker 9: to protect our borders and it's probably time for him again.
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Speaker 1: Well you reckon, Andrew Joels knows what he's doing with immigration.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure Chris Bowen has no clue what he's doing
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Speaker 1: with energy policy. Our much hyped green energy futures hit
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Speaker 1: yet another obstacle, with the transmission lines needed to connect
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Speaker 1: all these renewables to the grid facing significant delays. Matt
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Speaker 1: all the wind turbines in the world won't be any
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Speaker 1: help if they're not connected to the grid. And yet
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Speaker 1: Energy Group Next Advisories say power line projects are facing
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Speaker 1: delays of up to three years.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of that.
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Speaker 9: Well, this was entirely predictable. At the last election, the
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Speaker 9: Labor Party promised to build at least ten thousand kilometers
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Speaker 9: of transmission lines up to twenty seven thousand if we
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Speaker 9: were to be this sort of mythical green expert superpower.
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Speaker 9: And anybody in their right mind who's had any involvement
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Speaker 9: with building transmission line projects in the past knows that
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Speaker 9: that's unachievable in a short space of time. These are
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Speaker 9: very difficult projects to get across because they involve criss
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Speaker 9: crossing over people's land, and people don't welcome these sort
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Speaker 9: of projects. And it's just another example of how an
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Speaker 9: obsession with weather dependent renewable energy is threatening the security
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Speaker 9: of our electricity grid, but it's also damaging large sways
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Speaker 9: of our environment. It is not green to install this
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Speaker 9: much green energy because it destroys so much of our
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Speaker 9: environment through those transmission lines, through the solar factories and
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Speaker 9: wind factories too, may add, and so the better approach
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Speaker 9: here is to return to an investment in all types
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Speaker 9: of energy. You want to bring prices down, you want
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Speaker 9: to get your power bills down. We need to invest
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Speaker 9: in all types of energy. That can be some wind
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Speaker 9: and solar. I'm not against that, it's just too much
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Speaker 9: one thing and we need to return to a much
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Speaker 9: more balanced perspective on an energy market and get rid
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Speaker 9: of this idologue that was obsessed with renewable energy. Chris
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Speaker 9: bow is destroying Australia's energy competitiveness.
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Speaker 1: While the rollout of renewables has been delayed, there's no
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Speaker 1: delay with Chris Bowen writing columns for The Australian. He
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Speaker 1: wrote one attacking the coalition's plan for nuclear power, and
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Speaker 1: what struck me wasn't so much his arguments against nuclear
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Speaker 1: as his dramatic phraseology.
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Speaker 2: Have a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: He wrote, truth is the first casualty in a cultural war,
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Speaker 1: and the proponents of nuclear energy and Australia are at
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Speaker 1: the front line of a cultural war. Pro nuclear facts
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Speaker 1: are being asserted with confidence that bear little relationship to reality.
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Speaker 1: He also went on to declare that the next election
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Speaker 1: will be a referendum on nuclear power.
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Speaker 2: Matt is Chris.
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Speaker 1: Bowen seriously suggesting that if you disagree with the government
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Speaker 1: on energy policy, you're engaging in a cultural war. Well,
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Speaker 1: and if anyone's bound by ideology in this debate, it's
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Speaker 1: Chris Bowen who won't even let let the ban on
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Speaker 1: nuclear be lifted so the market can decide if it's
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Speaker 1: any good.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think this reveals more about Chris Bowen than
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Speaker 9: it does about the collision. The fact that he resorts
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Speaker 9: to religiously themed language just shows how invested, how obsessed
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Speaker 9: he is with this renewables obsession. I mean, I didn't
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Speaker 9: think it was culturally obsessed, culturally insulting to just want
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Speaker 9: cheaper power prices.
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Speaker 2: That's what I want.
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Speaker 9: I mean, I just want practical policies. They're going to
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Speaker 9: bring down your power bills. I think it's just common
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Speaker 9: sense to say, look, we need horses for courses. We
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Speaker 9: have to have different types of power needs to sort
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Speaker 9: power supply to sort different power needs. That has to
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Speaker 9: include power systems that can stay on all the time,
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Speaker 9: like coal, like gas, like nuclear. Obviously solar and wind
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Speaker 9: can't do that, so it can't get all if we
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Speaker 9: try to go eighty two percent of our grid with
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Speaker 9: solar and wind, destroy so many Australian jobs and destroy
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Speaker 9: the budgets of so many Australian families. It's got nothing
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Speaker 9: to do with culture. I mean, what planet is this
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Speaker 9: guy on.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, hey, I want to talk to you about EV's, Matt,
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Speaker 1: because there's clearly a problem with them. The electric vehicle
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Speaker 1: market appears to be, if you'll forgive me, running out
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Speaker 1: of gas. Have a look at this, hundreds of unsold
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Speaker 1: Tesla's sitting idle in Port Melbourne like an old battery.
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Speaker 1: Tesla sales are completely flat in April, diving by forty
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Speaker 1: four percent, despite the fact that Tesla have cut the
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Speaker 1: cost of their vehicles considerably. So Matt tell me EV
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Speaker 1: is just a fad that's dying out to people realizing
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Speaker 1: how impractical they are.
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Speaker 2: What's going on here.
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Speaker 9: Well, I've never been against evs, mate. I mean, if
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Speaker 9: people want to drive on the trick cargo for your life,
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Speaker 9: I mean, they obviously have limitations. Every sort of product
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Speaker 9: has good things and bad things about them. I just
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Speaker 9: wish we could return to a world where the car
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Speaker 9: you buy is not a political decision. I mean, I
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Speaker 9: really don't care if you want to by go for
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Speaker 9: it's free country. But what I what I object to
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Speaker 9: is my tax pay dollar is going to preference the
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Speaker 9: car buying decisions of some group of people and not others.
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Speaker 9: So if you want to buy any the good luck,
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Speaker 9: but don't ask other people to pay for it. Because
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Speaker 9: keep in mind, these cars are apparently stocking up there
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Speaker 9: at the airport.
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Speaker 2: Even though even though.
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Speaker 9: The government it couldn't it couldn't provide more subsidies to
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Speaker 9: electric vehicles. You get fringe benefit tax breaks, you get
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Speaker 9: subsidies on them, you get luxury car tax breaks. It
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Speaker 9: just goes on and on and on, and still they
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Speaker 9: can't move these cars. So how about we just remove
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Speaker 9: all this stuff and people can just go back to
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Speaker 9: buying what they want and return to a free country.
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Speaker 9: I think that would be a lot better.
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Speaker 1: It's almost like, Matt, you're suggesting the government should just
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Speaker 1: get out of our lives and let the market decide
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Speaker 1: what an original idea. Love it, Matt Canavan, thanks so
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Speaker 1: much for your time. Well don't go anywhere because after
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Speaker 1: the break, America's former pandemic advisor Anthony Fauci, who admitted
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Speaker 1: COVID measures like social distancing were not based on science
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Speaker 1: at all, well, he gets grilled by Congress over his decisions.
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Speaker 1: The former White House Press Secretary to Donald Trump joins
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Speaker 1: the show. You won't want to miss that, plus a
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Speaker 1: major shake up in the UK election.
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Speaker 2: All of that coming up in just a moment.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's go to the US now, where Dr Anthony Fauci,
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Speaker 1: the top pandemic advisor to both the Trump and Biden administrations,
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Speaker 1: was grilled by a House panel investigating the origins of COVID,
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Speaker 1: and boy was an explosive House Republicans interrogating Fauci about
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Speaker 1: mask mandates, vaccines, and the so called science behind lockdowns
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Speaker 1: did not hold back. Have a look at this exchange
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Speaker 1: with Marjorie Taylor Green, a Republican congresswoman from Georgia.
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Speaker 10: Your science does displayed perfectly in this picture. We're children,
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Speaker 10: children in school were put in plastic bubbles because of
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Speaker 10: your science, your repulsive, evil science. And let's go back
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Speaker 10: to your very own email. You said earlier you don't
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Speaker 10: use email, Oh you do right here. This is your
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Speaker 10: own email where you said the typical mask you buy
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Speaker 10: in the drug store is not really effective in keeping
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Speaker 10: out virus. I do not recommend that you wear a mask.
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Speaker 10: This is your email, This is your own words.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now is former White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer. Sean,
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Speaker 1: welcome extraordinary scenes from that hearing. Most startling was that Fauci,
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Speaker 1: who once described himself as the personification of science, admitted
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Speaker 1: so many of the restrictions imposed on the American people
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Speaker 1: during the pandemic were not based on science at all.
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Speaker 8: That's right.
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Speaker 7: You just played part of that exchange with Marjorie Taylor
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Speaker 7: Green and it was just one of several I tell you, James,
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Speaker 7: I think that we could eliminate our debt if we
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Speaker 7: started charging to air some of these hearings as they
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Speaker 7: become must see TV.
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Speaker 8: But the reality is when asked about the six.
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Speaker 7: Feet social distancing that became the norm here in the
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Speaker 7: United States, he basically admitted, we made it up. We
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Speaker 7: didn't know better, ten feet, three feet, We just picked
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Speaker 7: a number and did it. And think about how that
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Speaker 7: affected so many aspects of our life and society here,
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Speaker 7: but particularly and this was a theme of the hearing,
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Speaker 7: particularly with children, and I think, frankly the generational impact
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Speaker 7: that it's going to have. The thing that I found
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Speaker 7: interesting is there was no remorse. It literally was, well,
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Speaker 7: you know, what did you think we were going to do.
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Speaker 7: And I just can't believe that you could be that
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Speaker 7: arrogant as you were getting questioned. I normally in a crisis,
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Speaker 7: somebody had meets it little, we'll eat a little, what
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Speaker 7: we say, humble pie, and admit that they made some mistakes,
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Speaker 7: or hey, it was novel and we didn't know what
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Speaker 7: we were doing. Fauci showed no remorse at all for
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Speaker 7: any of these decisions that impacted our economy. And as
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Speaker 7: I said, so many Americans, especially young Americans.
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Speaker 1: What do you think will happen to fount She as
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Speaker 1: a result of these hearings?
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Speaker 2: And what should happen?
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Speaker 8: Nothing? I mean, this is how it works over here.
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Speaker 7: You get to do things like that, and then it's
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Speaker 7: almost like the weather man.
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Speaker 8: Now. I don't know how you guys.
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Speaker 7: You know, I've seen I've been over in Australia enough times,
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Speaker 7: but I haven't necessarily paid attention to the weather in
20:17
Speaker 7: the morning. But here you could make a forecast it
20:19
Speaker 7: can believe totally wrong, and the next day you get
20:21
Speaker 7: up and just sort of say, well, it'll be sunny today,
20:23
Speaker 7: and there's no consequences for being right or wrong.
20:26
Speaker 8: I mean, Fauci's going to go on live his life.
20:28
Speaker 7: I'm sure he'll get paid a ton of money to
20:30
Speaker 7: go to left wing organizations and give speeches.
20:33
Speaker 8: You saw today a very divided hearing.
20:35
Speaker 7: Right. The Republicans were holding him to task, holding up
20:38
Speaker 7: his words, holding up emails as you just played out
20:40
Speaker 7: for Marjorie Taylor Green and saying this is what you said,
20:43
Speaker 7: you stand by. The Democrats largely played up to him
20:46
Speaker 7: and talked about the sacrifices that he's made and all
20:49
Speaker 7: of the enduring contributions he's made to our society. So
20:53
Speaker 7: I think as long as Democrats have any kind of control,
20:56
Speaker 7: which they do control the Senate here in the United States,
20:59
Speaker 7: he's not going to face any kind of consequences, and
21:01
Speaker 7: in fact, he'll continue to be embraced by the left
21:03
Speaker 7: here as some kind of hero.
21:06
Speaker 1: All right, I want to move on to the other
21:08
Speaker 1: big news of course in the US today, and that's
21:10
Speaker 1: hunt of Biden's federal gun trial. It all kicked off
21:13
Speaker 1: today with jury selection. What can we expect from this?
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Speaker 7: Well, Look, I think there's two things that are important
21:21
Speaker 7: for every audience that's paying attention to this at all
21:23
Speaker 7: to understand. Number One, a lot of folks here in
21:26
Speaker 7: the us keep saying, well, it's amazing how folks on
21:28
Speaker 7: the right are looking at this versus how they looked
21:30
Speaker 7: at Trump. Well, let's let's make sure everyone understands this.
21:33
Speaker 7: Hunter Biden was given a sweetheart deal and he rejected it.
21:37
Speaker 7: He was he was They were trying to get him
21:39
Speaker 7: out of this deal. And that's important to understand because
21:42
Speaker 7: people are saying, oh see, it's not a two tiered
21:44
Speaker 7: system of justice.
21:45
Speaker 8: The Biden Justice Department is equally going after Hunter.
21:48
Speaker 7: But they're only going after him because he rejected a
21:50
Speaker 7: sweetheart deal.
21:51
Speaker 8: This isn't like this is their first offer.
21:54
Speaker 7: The second thing that's important to understand, James, is every
21:56
Speaker 7: Democrat around here when there's a shooting talks about how
22:00
Speaker 7: we need to have stricter gun control.
22:01
Speaker 8: We need to know who's buying guns.
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Speaker 7: Here's Hunter Biden who lied lied on a federal firearms
22:08
Speaker 7: application because he was a known addict.
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Speaker 8: How do I know that? How do you know that?
22:12
Speaker 8: How does anyone note?
22:13
Speaker 7: Because he wrote it in his own book, this is
22:17
Speaker 7: it should be a slam dumb case. He wrote about
22:19
Speaker 7: it in a book that he published talking about his
22:21
Speaker 7: struggles with addiction. That's unfortunately a very tough situation. I
22:26
Speaker 7: feel bad for him, but at the end of the day,
22:28
Speaker 7: you cannot have a firearm in the United States if
22:31
Speaker 7: you are addicted to drugs, and he admitted on the
22:34
Speaker 7: form that he wasn't.
22:35
Speaker 8: That's a lie.
22:36
Speaker 7: That's misleading the public, and it's something that Democrats rally
22:39
Speaker 7: against all the time. People falsifying applications to get to
22:43
Speaker 7: get firearms, and we need to be stricter and more controlling.
22:46
Speaker 7: It's amazing the silence here in the United States from
22:49
Speaker 7: the left, and I mean not just Democrats, but from
22:51
Speaker 7: the media who love to talk about people who shouldn't
22:54
Speaker 7: have firearms in the United States. And in this particular case,
22:57
Speaker 7: not only was that firearm illegally chained because he lied
23:01
Speaker 7: on a form, but then it was discarded in a
23:03
Speaker 7: trash can near a school. I cannot believe what a
23:07
Speaker 7: past this is getting here in the US from our
23:09
Speaker 7: left wing media.
23:10
Speaker 8: But it shouldn't be surprised.
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Speaker 1: So short in the way you're speaking, it sounds to
23:15
Speaker 1: me like you don't really expect that Hunter Biden's travails
23:19
Speaker 1: will impact on Joe Biden at all.
23:23
Speaker 7: Oh my god. I mean, look, number one, it's the
23:25
Speaker 7: opposite of Trump. He's being tried in Delaware, a hugely
23:29
Speaker 7: democratic state that supports the Biden family has been in
23:32
Speaker 7: charge there for fifty years. I think he's got a
23:35
Speaker 7: really good chance of getting off, despite the fact that,
23:37
Speaker 7: like I said, it's literally in his book that he
23:40
Speaker 7: admits an addiction problem, which easily, you know, shows that
23:45
Speaker 7: he lied on the federal firearms application. But I think
23:49
Speaker 7: he's gonna there's a good chance he gets off on this.
23:51
Speaker 7: Number one and number two is you can see that
23:54
Speaker 7: this is all about trying to make him a victim
23:56
Speaker 7: here in the United States. He was addicted, he had
23:58
Speaker 7: a problem, and we should bad form. Joe Biden loves
24:01
Speaker 7: his son. This is all about creating a very very
24:07
Speaker 7: you know, favorable environment to Hunter and the trials and
24:11
Speaker 7: tribulations he's going through. In President Trump's case, right, it
24:15
Speaker 7: was follow the dots, you know, Michael Cohen did this,
24:19
Speaker 7: but they were always trying to figure out, we can't
24:20
Speaker 7: actually we have nothing to prove. It goes back to
24:22
Speaker 7: Donald Trump. Here in Hunter Biden's case, there's no question
24:25
Speaker 7: about if the evidence is there. Hunter himself admits to it,
24:28
Speaker 7: and yet I do think he's got a good chance
24:30
Speaker 7: of getting off because it's in Delaware.
24:33
Speaker 2: Amazing.
24:33
Speaker 1: All right, quickly talk to me about the full out
24:35
Speaker 1: from Trump's criminal conviction. I've got a couple of rapid
24:38
Speaker 1: fire questions for you on this. Firstly, how's it affecting
24:41
Speaker 1: his campaign?
24:44
Speaker 7: Well, look, he's raised over seventy million dollars in the
24:48
Speaker 7: last what seventy two hours, ninety six hours. That's an
24:51
Speaker 7: unheard of, unprecedented number in politics. He raised over one
24:54
Speaker 7: hundred and forty million dollars in the month of May.
24:58
Speaker 7: Any question about his ability to come. But the big
25:01
Speaker 7: thing isn't just the dollars he raised to t who's
25:03
Speaker 7: giving it. A lot of these people, a third of
25:04
Speaker 7: them have never contributed before, So this is new people
25:07
Speaker 7: getting fired up and involved in this. I think the
25:09
Speaker 7: Democrats went way too far. And one thing that you've
25:13
Speaker 7: got to keep in mind when looking at this race
25:15
Speaker 7: is we're talking about a handful of states, but even
25:17
Speaker 7: more so, it's a very very minute number of people
25:20
Speaker 7: who are quote undecided in any of those states. What
25:23
Speaker 7: this has done, more than anything else, James, is harden
25:26
Speaker 7: the support among Trump's base. These people might have been
25:30
Speaker 7: supporting him in the past, now they want a yard sign,
25:33
Speaker 7: they want to knock on doors, they want to make
25:34
Speaker 7: phone calls, they want to make another contribution. This has
25:37
Speaker 7: strengthened the result of so many of Trump's supporters, and
25:40
Speaker 7: frankly a lot of people who might not have been
25:42
Speaker 7: with them, but see the weaponization and the law fair
25:45
Speaker 7: that's been used against him.
25:47
Speaker 1: So one more question before we finish. Sentencing is set
25:50
Speaker 1: to happen, I think four days before the Republican National Convention,
25:54
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, surely they wouldn't put Trump in jail.
25:57
Speaker 1: I mean, that wouldn't possibly do that, but it's an
26:00
Speaker 1: appetite for it. Haven't listened to former FBI directed James Comey.
26:04
Speaker 11: They would just put him in a double wide somewhere
26:06
Speaker 11: out near the fence, out in the grass, and he
26:08
Speaker 11: would eat there, he'd shower there, he'd exercise there. He'd
26:11
Speaker 11: be away, as Donia Perry said, from general population.
26:15
Speaker 2: But it's obviously doable. Seul Knight wouldn't put him in jail,
26:19
Speaker 2: would they?
26:21
Speaker 7: You know what, James, I didn't think that they would
26:23
Speaker 7: convict him. So I'm not holding my breath on anything anymore.
26:27
Speaker 7: I think Judge Marshawn wants to be a hero. He obviously,
26:30
Speaker 7: through his contributions and through his daughter's activities, have made
26:33
Speaker 7: it very clear whose side he's on. In some ways,
26:36
Speaker 7: this is their opportunity to go down in history as
26:38
Speaker 7: someone who not only convicted but then jail the former
26:41
Speaker 7: president who the left hates.
26:43
Speaker 8: I would have answered this question no way, absolutely, no
26:46
Speaker 8: way a few weeks ago.
26:47
Speaker 7: And then as I've seen how this trial has progressed
26:51
Speaker 7: and the verdict that ultimately was reached, I don't put
26:53
Speaker 7: anything past the left right now, but I'll tell you this,
26:56
Speaker 7: You're absolutely right. The sentencing is scheduled for July eleventh,
26:58
Speaker 7: The convention kicks off on the fifteenth. If they do this,
27:03
Speaker 7: they will unequivocally guarantee the reelection of Donald Trump on
27:07
Speaker 7: November fifth of this year. So in some ways, I think,
27:10
Speaker 7: you know, the people are almost itching for it. I
27:13
Speaker 7: would hate to see President Trump actually have to go
27:16
Speaker 7: to jail, but in a weird way, it would almost
27:18
Speaker 7: certainly guarantee his return to the White House.
27:22
Speaker 1: Amazing times in the United States, Sean Spicer, thank you
27:25
Speaker 1: for your time.
27:27
Speaker 8: You bet.
27:28
Speaker 6: Well.
27:29
Speaker 1: Let's go from the US to the UK, where there's
27:31
Speaker 1: been a major shake up overnight to the upcoming election,
27:35
Speaker 1: Former Brexit leader Nigel Farage has called for a political revolt,
27:39
Speaker 1: announcing he will stand as the Reform UK Party leader.
27:43
Speaker 12: Have a look, So I'm coming back as leader of
27:46
Speaker 12: Reform UK, but not just for this election campaign. I'm
27:51
Speaker 12: coming back for the next five years. And there is
27:55
Speaker 12: one very simple reason for that. We all know already
27:59
Speaker 12: that the conservat A Party will be in opposition, but
28:03
Speaker 12: it won't be the opposition. They are incapable of it.
28:07
Speaker 12: They've spent most of the last five years fighting each
28:10
Speaker 12: other rather than standing up and fighting for the interests
28:13
Speaker 12: of this country.
28:16
Speaker 1: Joining me to discuss this is former Brexit Party member
28:18
Speaker 1: Alex Phillips. Alex, you've worked with Nigel before. This announcement
28:24
Speaker 1: caught most people by surprise.
28:26
Speaker 2: What did you make of it?
28:28
Speaker 13: I was less surprised, although I was still a bit surprised.
28:31
Speaker 2: I've worked with Nigel a long time.
28:32
Speaker 13: I say, his right hand woman for many years before
28:34
Speaker 13: being elected myself. And actually the day before he announced
28:38
Speaker 13: he wasn't going to stand, we had lunch together and
28:40
Speaker 13: we're going through all the reasons why not. And I
28:42
Speaker 13: think he said he's got one more roll of the
28:44
Speaker 13: dice and he has to know he's going to get there.
28:46
Speaker 13: It has to be the right time. And so he said,
28:49
Speaker 13: I'm not going to stand but go around the country
28:51
Speaker 13: touring nationally to help the party. That's how I'm best
28:54
Speaker 13: used in a snap election campaign, and there's not really
28:56
Speaker 13: much time to move the needle, and being bogged down
28:59
Speaker 13: in a constitution could be very disadvantageous. But something's happened
29:03
Speaker 13: over the weekend, and I guessed it was coming because
29:05
Speaker 13: I was going.
29:06
Speaker 8: To stand in Placton.
29:07
Speaker 13: Then all of a sudden, everything seems to go a
29:09
Speaker 13: bit shaky, and then when he announceds Lot day you go.
29:13
Speaker 8: That's why.
29:14
Speaker 13: I think he's just been around the country talking to
29:16
Speaker 13: people and realizes the need in the country for something different.
29:20
Speaker 13: So many of the population here do not want either
29:22
Speaker 13: legacy party, and while it's so different, they're so difficult
29:26
Speaker 13: to actually get elected in a first part the post
29:29
Speaker 13: system as we have in the UK as a smaller party.
29:32
Speaker 13: I think he really felt he's got to put his
29:34
Speaker 13: money where his mouth is.
29:35
Speaker 2: He's did it before.
29:36
Speaker 13: He really probably doesn't have anything to lose.
29:38
Speaker 2: I think he will win now.
29:40
Speaker 1: No one's expecting reform to win. Government labor are expected
29:45
Speaker 1: to win quite easily. But Nigel Farage is saying that
29:48
Speaker 1: he wants to be the main opposition party in place
29:51
Speaker 1: after the election.
29:53
Speaker 2: He stood to be an MP seven times.
29:56
Speaker 1: Without success, So what chance does he have to win
30:00
Speaker 1: a seat for himself that loan become the major opposition
30:03
Speaker 1: party in the UK.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, so what's interesting here? Yes, he's said
30:07
Speaker 13: seven times with that success. Is one of the most
30:09
Speaker 13: influential politicians in British history in its entirety. So it's
30:14
Speaker 13: a fact that the mainstream media over here loves playing with.
30:17
Speaker 13: But you know, he's been an incredible influential politician, hasn't
30:21
Speaker 13: needed to be elected to do that, And I actually
30:23
Speaker 13: knew most of the times he was going to stand
30:25
Speaker 13: that there was no chance of being elected, but did
30:27
Speaker 13: it because it's the right thing to do. He's a
30:29
Speaker 13: courageous man. But you know, the times that Farage led
30:33
Speaker 13: entities have been very successful before in terms of popularity
30:37
Speaker 13: in polling. So I'm thinking about the twenty nineteen snap
30:41
Speaker 13: election in the twenty fifteen general election. Both of those
30:44
Speaker 13: times you had a strong Conservative Party still and the
30:47
Speaker 13: only difference was the Conservative Party would start pivoting to
30:51
Speaker 13: shadow box, basically any policy announcement that Niger was making.
30:55
Speaker 13: They've started that again already. And then when people go
30:58
Speaker 13: to the polling station they think, wow, I've got to
31:00
Speaker 13: vote one of the legacy parties. It's a binary choice.
31:03
Speaker 13: And so in many respects, Nigel's almost helped them get
31:06
Speaker 13: the majorities they've had this time. It's different. The Conservatives
31:09
Speaker 13: have been in government for three terms. They have very
31:13
Speaker 13: ostensibly failed to deliver on any of those promises. When
31:16
Speaker 13: they've covered off the threats from Nigel Farage to the
31:19
Speaker 13: right wing, voters have believed them.
31:22
Speaker 8: This time around.
31:23
Speaker 13: That is just not happening.
31:25
Speaker 8: People are fed up.
31:26
Speaker 13: There's no chance the Conservatives are going to win this
31:29
Speaker 13: election in the next five weeks. But this is the
31:31
Speaker 13: thing they need. Voters need to understand that. So Nigel's
31:34
Speaker 13: line has very much been where the Conservatives say, oh, well,
31:37
Speaker 13: if you vote reform, you'll get a labor government. His
31:41
Speaker 13: line is you're getting a labor government anyway, why not
31:44
Speaker 13: vote for something different that you genuinely believe in.
31:47
Speaker 2: Alex Before I let you go, I've got to show
31:49
Speaker 2: you this.
31:49
Speaker 1: Australian actress and model Holly Vilance has pledged her support
31:54
Speaker 1: for Nigel Farage. Take a look at her reaction to
31:56
Speaker 1: his announcement.
31:58
Speaker 6: This is exactly what we all wanted.
32:01
Speaker 5: He gave the people what they asked for.
32:03
Speaker 2: Right move before I let you go? Is she right?
32:08
Speaker 7: She is?
32:09
Speaker 13: You know she's quietly been a big supporters ni just
32:11
Speaker 13: for quite some time because she's a sensible woman with
32:14
Speaker 13: common sense ideas of how countries should be one. You know,
32:17
Speaker 13: having her backings just wonderful and there are many people
32:19
Speaker 13: around Britain who echo her sentiments. And now it's basically
32:22
Speaker 13: it's given hope to millions. There's something different on offer.
32:26
Speaker 1: Alex Phillips, thanks so much for your time. Well stick
32:29
Speaker 1: around because coming up the primary school under investigation over
32:33
Speaker 1: an anti white song it chooses to play to its
32:36
Speaker 1: students every morning. Plus the new plan to grow Australia's
32:40
Speaker 1: defense force. My panel will talk with me about all
32:42
Speaker 1: of that in just a moment. Welcome back.
32:47
Speaker 6: Well.
32:48
Speaker 1: With the Australian Defense Forces believed to be around five
32:50
Speaker 1: thousand short soldiers short of their operational strength target, the
32:55
Speaker 1: governments come up with a solution foreigners. The governments all
32:59
Speaker 1: are looking to allow foreign citizens, including New Zealanders and
33:02
Speaker 1: permanent residents from the UK, US, Canada and Pacific Island
33:06
Speaker 1: nations to join our military. Let's bring in tonight's panel,
33:10
Speaker 1: joining me as Sky News host and my co host
33:13
Speaker 1: at the late Debate on at ten o'clock tonight with
33:15
Speaker 1: Caleb Bond, Liz Storer and The Spectator, Australia's Fire at
33:19
Speaker 1: Will podcast host Will Kingston.
33:22
Speaker 2: Guys, thanks for joining me.
33:24
Speaker 1: This idea to allow foreigners to serve in our military
33:27
Speaker 1: good idea.
33:28
Speaker 14: Oh it's a brilliant idea.
33:30
Speaker 8: Now.
33:31
Speaker 14: Opposition Defense Minister Andrew Hasty suggested this years ago and
33:36
Speaker 14: now Labor's like, hey, you know what, let's copy their homework.
33:41
Speaker 14: So this has been a long running idea. It's finally
33:45
Speaker 14: being put into action because nothing else has worked. And
33:49
Speaker 14: I've seen some extraordinary headlines about this one. We discussed
33:52
Speaker 14: in the papers last night. Being a foreign army for Australia.
33:56
Speaker 14: These isn't foreigners. These are our best mates. And in fact,
34:00
Speaker 14: if we ever found ourselves in a war, they'd be
34:03
Speaker 14: fighting with us anyway. These countries, they're are allies. We've
34:07
Speaker 14: fought with them before, we may well fight with them again.
34:11
Speaker 14: And so this is just a no brainer. As far
34:13
Speaker 14: as I'm concerned, if you've lived here for twelve years,
34:16
Speaker 14: sorry twelve months, we like you, you like us, You
34:21
Speaker 14: pass all the security checks. Why wouldn't why wouldn't we
34:24
Speaker 14: want you on board? Especially when we're still like this
34:28
Speaker 14: has been going on for years now, we're not getting
34:31
Speaker 14: the recruitment that we need.
34:34
Speaker 1: Well, Defense Minister Richard Miles was asked about this plan
34:38
Speaker 1: and he sort of answered, then got a little confused,
34:41
Speaker 1: and then just started attacking the opposition.
34:42
Speaker 15: Have a look, as of the first of July, we
34:47
Speaker 15: will be enabling New Zealand citizens who have been permanent
34:52
Speaker 15: residents of our country for at least a year.
34:55
Speaker 16: We will be allowing those people to join our defense fults.
34:59
Speaker 4: It goes beyond New Zealand citizens, as you well know,
35:02
Speaker 4: and as broader application.
35:04
Speaker 6: Perhaps the Minister could provide us with the actual detail.
35:08
Speaker 16: What we learn, mister Speaker, from the question that has
35:11
Speaker 16: been asked by the Shadow Minister and from the interjection
35:14
Speaker 16: of the leader of the opposition now, is there are
35:17
Speaker 16: no bounds that they won't cross in order to run
35:20
Speaker 16: a scare campaign, blow any single whistle that they can find.
35:27
Speaker 1: Well, it seems fairly typical of this government big on ideas,
35:30
Speaker 1: light on detail. The opposition reckon it's a half baked idea.
35:35
Speaker 6: What do you think, Yeah, of course it's a half
35:39
Speaker 6: baked idea, but that's not new. Look, it's a band
35:43
Speaker 6: aid solution. I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with it,
35:47
Speaker 6: but it doesn't fix the underlying problem, which is Australians
35:50
Speaker 6: no longer want to serve their country.
35:53
Speaker 2: And what do you expect?
35:55
Speaker 6: We denegrate our history at every turn. We encourage younger
36:02
Speaker 6: Australians to be ashamed of their culture when we do
36:06
Speaker 6: things like talking down Australia Day, when we change school
36:10
Speaker 6: curriculums to encourage a black armband view of history.
36:13
Speaker 2: All this stuff adds up.
36:15
Speaker 6: This is why the culture wars matter because they have
36:18
Speaker 6: practical implications, and those practical implications are things like you
36:21
Speaker 6: no longer to have pride in your country, which manifests
36:24
Speaker 6: itself in no longer wanting to serve your country. So sure,
36:28
Speaker 6: add in a few Keywais, adding a few Canadians, I'm
36:30
Speaker 6: sure it won't hurt, but it doesn't change the underlying
36:33
Speaker 6: fact that this is just going to be a problem
36:34
Speaker 6: that gets worse and worse until we fix the underlying
36:38
Speaker 6: cultural issues that lead to less Australians wanting to represent
36:43
Speaker 6: our country.
36:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon, that's a really good point. Let's move
36:46
Speaker 2: on to Penny Wong.
36:47
Speaker 1: She's refused to answer whether the government's decision to vote
36:50
Speaker 1: yes to Palestine membership of the UN was approved by
36:54
Speaker 1: federal cabinet. She refused to answer during a fiery estimates hearing.
36:59
Speaker 1: One was grilled Overlaboor's decision and on whether Hamas welcomed
37:03
Speaker 1: the Australian vote.
37:04
Speaker 2: Have listen, did Hamas respond to the resolution?
37:09
Speaker 5: I don't make a habit of engaging with Hamas.
37:12
Speaker 2: They made public statements.
37:13
Speaker 1: How did they Did the department brief you on those
37:16
Speaker 1: public statements of Hamas?
37:18
Speaker 5: Two points One is if it's I'm not in the
37:22
Speaker 5: business of amplifying Iranian and Hamas propaganda, I'm surprised you
37:25
Speaker 5: are a an estimate hearing. And secondly, the answer to
37:28
Speaker 5: the question I think that mister Nis Brown gave. I
37:31
Speaker 5: know you wish to politically try and paint this as
37:34
Speaker 5: something around Hamas. Hamas is fundamentally opposed to a two
37:37
Speaker 5: state solution.
37:39
Speaker 1: Well funny that because after the UN voted in favor
37:42
Speaker 1: of Palestine gaining membership. Hamas welcomed the news, saying, in
37:46
Speaker 1: I quote, the overwhelming support for the resolution is an
37:49
Speaker 1: affirmation of international cooperation. Liz, is Australia cooperating with Hamas
37:56
Speaker 1: by this vote.
37:57
Speaker 5: Well, it certainly seems it.
37:58
Speaker 2: And what we heard today.
37:59
Speaker 14: From the Foreign Minister is that that was a captain's call.
38:03
Speaker 14: She gets to make the call what Australia's vote was,
38:06
Speaker 14: and we all know what the vote was. And we
38:09
Speaker 14: can't underestimate the importance of the vote because only sovereign
38:14
Speaker 14: states are UN members, and so for the UN to
38:19
Speaker 14: vote so comprehensively to include Palestine as a member, they
38:24
Speaker 14: are recognizing Palestine as a standalone state. Then twelve days
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Speaker 14: later we saw Ireland, Norway and Spain get up of
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Speaker 14: their own accord and announce in their parliaments we now
38:39
Speaker 14: recognize Palestine as a sovereign state. The horse is bolted
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Speaker 14: now from that UN vote. So the importance of that
38:49
Speaker 14: cannot be understated. And now we have our Foreign minister
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Speaker 14: admitting today such is her commitment to the two state solution,
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Speaker 14: which isn't a solution at all. You cannot have a
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Speaker 14: two state solution when one state is avowed to decimate
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Speaker 14: the other, such as her commitment to that solution that
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Speaker 14: she's saying, even if her mask stays in some way,
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Speaker 14: shape or form, it doesn't mean we won't still support it.
39:16
Speaker 14: I mean, this is just this is utter nonsense.
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Speaker 1: Well, you wouldn't want to be Australia's enemy when you
39:21
Speaker 1: look at the way we treat even our friends. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this is just a terrible thing to do to Israel
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Speaker 1: our ally, isn't it?
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Speaker 6: Consider this, James, We have invited Palestine into the Community
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Speaker 6: of Nations at the same time that the group that
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Speaker 6: almost certainly would form its first government are raping and
39:45
Speaker 6: torturing the citizens of our ally. Do you if there's
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Speaker 6: any other government that had a formal policy of rape
39:53
Speaker 6: and torture. It's funny how there's these strange different rules
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Speaker 6: that apply when Jews are involved. And We've said this
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Speaker 6: all the way along, but I'm going to keep saying
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Speaker 6: it because it's not going away. The reality, and I
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Speaker 6: think Liz said this at the end of her comments,
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Speaker 6: there is that Hamas would almost certainly form the first
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Speaker 6: government of Palestine. They have a genocideal mission to eradicate
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Speaker 6: the Israeli state that is the start and the end
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Speaker 6: of any two state solution conversation. I'm absolutely staggered that
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Speaker 6: no one or very few people on the left can
40:27
Speaker 6: see the most basic of realities.
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Speaker 2: Wow, all right.
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Speaker 1: A primary school in Sydney South is being investigated by
40:34
Speaker 1: the Education Minister after it was revealed by two GB's
40:37
Speaker 1: Ben Fordham that an anti white song was being blasted
40:41
Speaker 1: over the speakers before classes every morning. Now, let me
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Speaker 1: play you a snippet of the song by an Australian rapper.
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Speaker 1: It's always a rapper, Liz, known as birds from.
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Speaker 13: The Land and Awaitski.
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Speaker 8: He's self rageous and murder what with the spear on
40:57
Speaker 8: the naziest thing and that I'm mateous sweep on.
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Speaker 13: Now.
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Speaker 1: The lyrics refer to Captain Cook using words like white devil,
41:05
Speaker 1: and the song talks about spearing Captain Cook in his
41:08
Speaker 1: cold white heart. Liz, is this appropriate for primary school children?
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Speaker 2: What are they thinking?
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Speaker 14: It was Hitler who said he alone, who owns the youth,
41:19
Speaker 14: decides the future. And that's what we've seen the Left
41:23
Speaker 14: excel at over the last few years, and we've just
41:27
Speaker 14: been left in their dust when it comes to the
41:30
Speaker 14: indoctrination of the younger generations. They're getting them younger and younger.
41:35
Speaker 14: They are unashamedly pushing this through our education system. Whether
41:39
Speaker 14: you want to call it white guilt or whether you
41:41
Speaker 14: want to take it to the point of actually demonizing
41:45
Speaker 14: white people, hating their colonial past. This is the fruits
41:50
Speaker 14: of their labor that we're seeing play out on university
41:53
Speaker 14: campuses now with these pro Palestinian protests. What has Palestine
41:57
Speaker 14: ever done for these people?
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Speaker 8: Absolutely enough.
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Speaker 14: But they've been taught that whoever is the whitest in
42:03
Speaker 14: a conflict is the oppressor, and whoever is more brown
42:07
Speaker 14: is the oppressed. And we asked always be on the
42:10
Speaker 14: side of the oppressed. They don't know their history. And
42:13
Speaker 14: these kids, this is a primary school, you said, these
42:16
Speaker 14: are little kids, so they're right for the taking. The
42:19
Speaker 14: left knows that they can't convince adults who have critical
42:23
Speaker 14: thinking skills if you go over after them when they're
42:26
Speaker 14: this young, they are sitting ducks. They're sponges. They're going
42:30
Speaker 14: to sap it up, and that is going to inform
42:32
Speaker 14: their understanding of the way the world works and has
42:36
Speaker 14: worked for a very long time for the rest of
42:38
Speaker 14: their lives.
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Speaker 2: Right while we're talking about kids.
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Speaker 1: Let's finish this segment with something a bit lighter. I,
42:43
Speaker 1: like many parents, maybe like you, have taken my kids
42:45
Speaker 1: to work with me, thinking it'll be great father son
42:48
Speaker 1: bonding time. Maybe they can learn a little bit about
42:50
Speaker 1: what I do. So Republican Congressman John Rose probably thought
42:54
Speaker 1: it was a good idea to have his eight year
42:56
Speaker 1: old son sitting right behind him as he stood to
42:58
Speaker 1: give a speech in the House of Representatives on Monday.
43:01
Speaker 1: He might be rethinking that decision.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at what.
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Speaker 17: Happened, regardless of one's opinion of the current Republican nominee,
43:09
Speaker 17: we'd be well served to remember the long and cherished
43:13
Speaker 17: tradition we have in this country of settling our political
43:17
Speaker 17: differences at the ballot box. For nearly two and a
43:20
Speaker 17: half centuries, our nations elected leaders have properly resisted.
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Speaker 2: I love that kid, Will.
43:28
Speaker 1: Most of us are pulling faces like that when we're
43:30
Speaker 1: listening to politicians, aren't we, even if it's our dad.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: I was going to say, this is actually one of
43:36
Speaker 6: the less silly things that I've seen in American politics lately.
43:39
Speaker 6: This is a pretty good video for him to actually
43:45
Speaker 6: put himself forward as a future Congressman. He couldn't be
43:47
Speaker 6: worse than most of the lot they've got there at
43:49
Speaker 6: the moment.
43:50
Speaker 1: Well, Will Kingston, Liz Stau, thanks so much for your time.
43:54
Speaker 2: We're going to take a break, but stick around.
43:55
Speaker 1: Starting tomorrow, psychedelic drugs being used to treat people with PTSD.
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Speaker 2: Will talk about that in just a moment.
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Speaker 1: Well, there's a new trial underway in New South Wales
44:09
Speaker 1: where MDMA, also known as ecstasy, will be used to
44:13
Speaker 1: treat post traumatic stress disorder. The trials based on a
44:17
Speaker 1: theory that the drug might reduce fear and anxiety for
44:19
Speaker 1: people suffering PTSD when paired with talk therapy. Now, as
44:24
Speaker 1: you can imagine, the trials sparked all sorts of arguments
44:26
Speaker 1: over whether this is the right way to treat mental
44:28
Speaker 1: health issues going forward. Joining me to discuss is psychiatrists
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Speaker 1: Tanvia Ahmeda. This is obviously still in trial phases, but
44:36
Speaker 1: is this the right way to go about treating things
44:39
Speaker 1: like PTSD?
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Speaker 8: Well, maybe a way.
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Speaker 3: I mean austral as well, the first country in the
44:45
Speaker 3: world that has legalized the use of psychedelics, but we've
44:47
Speaker 3: done it in a very restricted way which is appropriate.
44:50
Speaker 3: So now you see all sorts of action, including these
44:52
Speaker 3: sort of trials. And there's a bit of background to this, James,
44:55
Speaker 3: where it's actually the news is partly because of the
44:57
Speaker 3: father of the hunt of one of the victims of
44:59
Speaker 3: the hunt of Valley Bus tragedy is in this trial
45:03
Speaker 3: that's taking place in Sydney, and trials would be like
45:06
Speaker 3: this going on or are about to go on all
45:09
Speaker 3: across the country. That psychedelics have enormous promise, but also
45:12
Speaker 3: there's enormous risks that their power is that they offer
45:16
Speaker 3: these transformative almost religious experiences. They create greater connectedness, and
45:21
Speaker 3: a lot of things are around mental health are really
45:23
Speaker 3: about getting stuck. Getting stuck in sort of inflexible happen
45:26
Speaker 3: its coping strategies, and often those coping strateges are quite
45:30
Speaker 3: negative and they're keeping you unwell in a variety of ways,
45:34
Speaker 3: mucking up your relationships work. You know, PTSD is being
45:37
Speaker 3: trapped in a memory and not being able to move
45:39
Speaker 3: on and that causing all sorts of disruption. This particular
45:42
Speaker 3: case seems to be also about grief. The man in
45:47
Speaker 3: I mean, there will be several people in the car,
45:48
Speaker 3: but it's also about psychedelics offering potential in what's called
45:53
Speaker 3: prolonged or complicated grief, when people just can't move on
45:57
Speaker 3: and they're stuck with deep loss, usually the death of
45:59
Speaker 3: love ones. So look, it's broader part of the psychedelic debate.
46:04
Speaker 3: We're going to get all sorts of ancient action now, James.
46:06
Speaker 3: And again that offers heap Jewish potential, but heaps of risk.
46:10
Speaker 3: And that's why we need strict guard rails. And this
46:12
Speaker 3: particular trial happening, I think the group's called evolution, you know,
46:16
Speaker 3: is not unreasonable, but I think we need to be careful,
46:20
Speaker 3: especially in the case of grief, a not to medicalize
46:24
Speaker 3: some difficult experiences, but also having some very strict guardrails
46:28
Speaker 3: when we're doing these types of therapies.
46:30
Speaker 2: Just quickly tell me how this works. So someone under.
46:33
Speaker 1: Supervision takes ecstasy, they go on a trip, and while
46:38
Speaker 1: they're in this higher state, they engage in discussion with
46:43
Speaker 1: a psychiatrist and they're freer to begin to discuss things
46:47
Speaker 1: that otherwise they might not have felt free to discuss.
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Speaker 2: Is is that how it works? Pretty much?
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Speaker 3: That's put not a bad summary, James. Where the power
46:54
Speaker 3: of these drugs, it's almost like they loosen your circuits.
46:57
Speaker 3: They give you new insights, You feel a great sense
47:00
Speaker 3: of connectedness and potentially allows you to see I guess
47:05
Speaker 3: past memories, past traumas in a whole new light and
47:08
Speaker 3: potentially you make new meanings, you integrate memories and you
47:13
Speaker 3: get a different sense of the future, and ideally a
47:15
Speaker 3: positive one. But you are right, they have to be
47:17
Speaker 3: coordinated with some sort of talk therapy. So we're going
47:20
Speaker 3: to hear a lot more about psychedelics and Australia is
47:22
Speaker 3: probably are going to be leading the pack in some
47:25
Speaker 3: ways and Sky News to be honest, it's a'd ben
47:28
Speaker 3: interesting place to talk about because historically psychedelics have had
47:31
Speaker 3: a lot of overlap around politics because they've had a
47:34
Speaker 3: real sort of libertarian edge, and that's also given them
47:37
Speaker 3: a kind of a sense of danger, if you like,
47:40
Speaker 3: and it's partly why Silicon Valley and parts of the world
47:43
Speaker 3: like that have really jumped on this.
47:44
Speaker 8: So you're right to cover it.
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Speaker 3: This one is a particular focus on grief and potential
47:49
Speaker 3: trauma and huge potential. But I think we'll hear a
47:52
Speaker 3: lot more about psychedelics in the coming years, and Australia
47:55
Speaker 3: will lead and there'll be many more dimensions than just
47:58
Speaker 3: health that it will touch upon.
48:01
Speaker 1: Tanvi, we've only got about thirty seconds left. A lot
48:04
Speaker 1: of people say, oh, this is a slippery slope. What
48:06
Speaker 1: do you say to those arguments?
48:09
Speaker 3: Well, we have to manage the risks. But there's huge
48:12
Speaker 3: potential here, James. You know this can be transformative in
48:15
Speaker 3: a range of areas and mental health. Mental health a
48:18
Speaker 3: growing problem right across the Western world in particular, so
48:21
Speaker 3: we should absolutely consider the options, but do so with caution.
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Speaker 1: Well, Tan Via Ahmed, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 1: I'll be very interested to see the results from that trial.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time. Well that's all from me. I'll see
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Speaker 1: you again tomorrow night at seven o'clock. But don't go anywhere.
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Speaker 1: Up right now is Sharry Markson