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15-Do You Believe in Demonic Possession? & Would You Live in a Haunted House? · Arguing Ever After

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  Hello and welcome to Arguing Ever After.
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  I'm Luke and this is my not so scary wife, Amber.
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  Hello. We are the Lord and Lady who
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  lock horns. The count and Countess of
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  contention. The Duke and Duchess of
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  Disagreement. And the king and queen of
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  quarrels. We have been together since The
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  American Werewolf went to Paris. We have argued about practically
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  everything and we're still together and happy.
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  In this entertainment only podcast, we will bicker about
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  all things big and small and the audience gets the final say on
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  who the winner is. We do not claim to be
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  relationship experts by any means.
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  We will debate lots of things, many of which are frequently
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  Perhaps this completely unscientific method of letting
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  the masses decide who is right will help you win your fight
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  before you even have it. And so here we are.
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  Our very not 13 1/2. No, we're at our very 15th
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  episode. 15th episode I'm bad at counting.
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  You know who's good at counting the Count from Sesame Street?
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  Very good, very good. He would say, oh, but he can't
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  do the s s. That's what it was.
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  I'm trying to remember from the the album when I was a kid.
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  I was going to say can't. Do that.
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  You can't talk about the album. That's the wrong time of year.
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  Well, that's fine. We're going to skip right past
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  it, but he was count. Fun count or something like that
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  I. Don't remember his full name but
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  yeah I feel. Like it might have actually been
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  count on count, but that seems silly even for for a kids
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  program. Well, we your.
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  Account desk, as we've established, which I think is
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  pretty great. Yeah, and it fits well with what
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  we're doing this month. That is true.
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  Which is. Well, it's spooky month.
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  Heck yeah, we're continuing the fun.
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  Yeah, this is our third episode of Spooky Month.
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  That's right, it is. Which is sort of interesting for
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  us because we typically are recording very regularly.
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  Every week, yes, but this month we wanted to make sure we get
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  all the spooky episodes in. Well, not all.
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  Well, but enough that we cover the month.
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  Enough that we. Just so you know people, we've
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  probably got a year of spooky themes because this one lives
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  the spooky. I hope so.
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  I hope we do, but we're gonna actually be out of town while
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  this one is airing and and enjoying some Halloween fun
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  going to the Disney World for well, that's the small part, but
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  the big part is the Mickey Not so scary.
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  Hence my address to you in the beginning of my not so scary
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  wife. Little tie in there.
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  But that is the very Halloween aspect, Super specific Halloween
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  thing. You get to go trick or treating.
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  We get so much candy and that's a lot of fun.
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  The shopping, lot of fun. The parade's really great and of
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  course, an opportunity. The parade called again.
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  The Boo Parade, Boo to you parade.
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  Boo to you. Maybe that's it, I don't
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  remember. It's a lot of fun and.
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  Also, I had a friend tell me that based on our child's
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  proclivity for things that are spooky, haunted, scary, and
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  dark, that the Halloween Horror Nights might actually be pretty
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  great. So the real reason we had
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  decided to be going down to Orlando in 2025 was because we
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  wanted to go to Universal. Epic.
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  Yeah, the new hotness. Yes, and it's and the reason why
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  is they have this whole monsters part, which that's right now
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  monsters, the universe of monsters that's year round yes
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  to me, like Mickey, not so scary Halloween monsters fun all the
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  time. All the time.
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  So. We have stickers on the back of
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  our vehicles that are Frankenstein and the bride.
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  Yeah, well, I named my Jeep Frankie's bride because you were
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  supposed to name your Jeep. I know, but then I didn't want
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  it. The sticker was not gonna be
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  matching and I'm real matchy matchy.
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  No, no, it was, it was, you know, it's kind of like when you
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  say let's get matching tattoos and the other one's like, just
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  kidding you. Didn't I never said that.
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  Did you say we were going to get matching tattoos?
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  No, no, no, no, no. That's not what I'm saying.
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  I'm. Saying you want to get matching
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  tattoos. I really don't, not with you,
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  but I. That's saying the bride or
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  Frankenstein tattooed right here on your neck.
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  No, but what I was saying, it's like when you say you're going
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  to do that, we tattooed our cars and you're like, no, I'm not
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  doing it. What if we did?
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  It's alive. Yeah, not happening.
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  Not happening. I don't I don't know why anyone.
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  Does I don't know cuz you know tattoos are bum.
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  Well, anyhow, so that's why I'm saying that ethic is not what I
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  said. What we're doing that was
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  Halloween epic monsters all year round.
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  I don't see personally that as a Halloween thing.
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  It can be, but I think the classics are good every day, not
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  just in October. Agreed.
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  So that is why I specifically said that.
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  But we do like to find ways to stretch out Halloween
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  celebrations. It seems like almost every year
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  we have something we're doing, you know, that that helps us do
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  that. But right now, I don't know.
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  Oh, it's Tuesday. It's Thursday.
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  No when this. Airs.
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  Oh, when the. OK, I was making clear what day
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  it was today. Right now, I believe we are at
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  Mickey. Not so scary.
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  Oh, based on when this is gonna release, yeah, I think you might
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  be right. Which is pretty exciting.
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  I'm so excited for us right now future.
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  US and future listeners. We might be taking pictures of
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  us while recording, isn't that? That could be.
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  Awesome, awesome. So but that's that's why we did
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  this because this was really important to us to have that
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  content for you. So yes, now every time we have
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  some new listener. Oh, we got something to say.
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  We like to welcome them to our show and today our new listener
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  has came from Nigeria. Wow.
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  Lagos to be exact. Like Africa is in the house.
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  Yeah, we, we, we asked for it like last, I don't know, last
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  episode or something like that. And yeah, and I learned about
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  Lagos's, the, the West African entertainment capital.
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  So they know what's good. They know what's good.
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  They're like arguing ever after they found us That's.
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  Pretty cool, and as tradition would have it, I'm going to
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  attempt to say hello correctly in the foreign language which my
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  wife has described to me as. English.
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  Pigeon. That's yes in English.
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  English is the national language.
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  Yes, Nigeria. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna probably
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  mess this up, but I'm gonna try. It's how you day.
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  There you go. Did I say it right?
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  That's what I heard. Well, maybe the people in
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  Nigeria will tell us if I said it wrong.
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  Yeah, they'll be like, bro, we just say hi.
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  Not a well these problems. They might, they might not.
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  Well anyway, welcome Nigeria. We're thrilled to have you to
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  add to our global listening audience.
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  I know it's pretty fun. It's pretty fun and I don't know
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  if they do the Halloween stuff there, but the last episode or
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  the episode before it doesn't really matter.
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  For us. Recording it was different, but
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  Luke had made a promise to me and the promise was that he
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  would be willing to watch a scary movie.
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  You're right, and I did. He did.
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  And I don't like scary movies y'all, because they're scary and
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  I get scared. It's not even that weird of a
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  thing. No, but I was really excited
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  about it. And of course right away, once
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  he said that I'm thinking, OK, he has to watch one before our
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  next episode so that we can be like in it.
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  And I do personally really like scary movies a lot.
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  I don't. Well, and we watched one and
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  it's, I feel like it's been a really long time since Luke and
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  I watched like a really scary movie together on purpose that
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  it was scary and not just that it was suspenseful because Luke
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  will watch suspenseful movies with me.
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  And every once in a while, you know, there, there have been a
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  couple we've seen that he's like, oh, I'm a little creeped
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  out with that. But but we did and and Luke told
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  me the one he wouldn't watch. That's true.
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  Was The Conjuring. I don't listen if I would have
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  known before I watched that movie because I didn't watch a
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  preview because I didn't want to watch a little bit of a preview,
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  but I don't want to be too scared.
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  If I would have known there was going to be a doll situation.
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  I am out y'all, because there's like, I don't know why, but
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  creepy dolls is maybe like one of the most scary things in a in
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  a scary movie to me. And you're like, Oh, it's no
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  factor. Well, right, it isn't but, but I
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  think it's because of the uncanny valley effect.
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  I thought that was like something with AI.
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  No, it's any type of face that looks almost human but isn't
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  human and your brain is like oh, must kill.
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  It's like this whole. Well, I didn't think.
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  Must kill, I thought. Must run.
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  Well, get me away. From this crazy.
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  Doll, I'm not fighting a doll. Yeah, that doll can win.
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  It's like your lizard brain telling you that there is an
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  issue because you're like, there's something close but not
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  right. And so therefore it must be an
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  issue. But I was really happy to watch
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  that movie with you. Well, actually, I was just happy
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  to watch the movie, but it didn't really necessarily matter
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  that you were there. But I was, I was happy that you
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  were there. Didn't matter that I was there.
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  What I'm saying is, I would have watched it anyways if I had time
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  to watch the movie. I don't typically like watching
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  movies though in general 'cause they take so long.
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  That's the point of a movie, actually.
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  They're made to be longer. Yeah, yeah.
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  Well, and Luke always wants to watch movies with me and so many
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  of them I'm like, I've seen this movie 8,000,000 times just a
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  little. Differently the difference,
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  important though variation is is fun when you're watching movies,
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  even if the themes you know remain consistent.
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  I mean that's I think part of the reason the popular movies
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  are poppy is cuz I said poppy popular are are like that is
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  because they explore common themes.
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  Probably the same could be said of scary movies.
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  They're probably popular scary movies because they explore
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  common themes of what scares people.
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  So one of the reasons why I was looking for movies like The
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  Conjuring was I wanted to talk with you about demonic
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  possession and. In a doll.
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  No, this, no, the doll didn't matter.
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  I'm just saying it messed me up. I mean, in the very beginning
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  when they had oh, this might be a spoiler, but the movies it's.
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  Very old. It's not a spoiler.
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  OK, in the very beginning there was the doll and I started
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  laughing because I was like, Oh my God, this is where Annabelle
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  was born. Yeah.
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  And I had no idea. Also, I think that series is
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  like there's no way you're spoiling anything.
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  If somebody was gonna watch it, they to watch it by now.
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  I think they've had like I think there was like either 3 or 4
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  that are called The Conjuring. No, but then there's also.
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  I think there's only two. Annabelle.
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  Annabelle, was there an. Annabelle.
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  Too. No, the nuns is from it.
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  Yeah, yeah. You mean like the nun?
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  Yeah, I'm out on that too, with the creepy eyeballs in the dark.
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  Well. God.
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  Anyhow, but I knew I didn't realize that Annabelle was going
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  to be in there, and I don't know.
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  Let me. Are you scared of?
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  Yes. Are you scared of Raggedy Ann
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  type of dolls? No.
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  That's what the original Annabelle was actually supposed
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  to be, according to Ed and Lorraine Warren, but that's what
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  they had in. Their house.
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  OK, so we had do we have a raggedy Ant?
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  We had a raggedy Andy. Yeah in our house cuz my oldest
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  brother's name Andrew. And I think that my mom got it
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  because of that or someone gave it.
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  I don't know how we got it, but I think having it in the house
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  made it not a thing. Well I'm sure it's not a thing
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  cuz it's not as human looking. That's probably true.
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  Yeah, I think you have uncanny valley.
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  I'm just gonna diagnose you with my armchair psychiatry degree.
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  Right here on the. Couch.
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  Yeah, that I think that's what it is.
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  Because yeah, it's not. Yeah, I don't know.
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  Little knowledge and a lack of research and here you are just
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  letting me know. I know, I know.
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  Well, I appreciate it. Yeah, so.
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  This is why I'm out on the dolls, but I can't deal.
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  But when I read that, it was about actually, and I actually
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  saw a picture, like a real picture of the supposed
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  possessed doll. OK.
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  It was a raggedy and doll. That does seem less terrifying
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  because it's like a little cloth doll with.
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  I don't think yeah, like. Button eyeballs or something?
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  Although I think if you were to see.
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  It super old. In a glass case with a note that
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  says do not open possessed doll, which is actually how they did
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  store the doll. Really.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  They just kept the creepy doll. I actually went kind of a little
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  bit of a deep dive because I'd heard about Ed and Lorraine
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  Warren before, cuz. Well, I said on the thing, they
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  were the based on a true story of their their case files, of
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  their case files. OK, yeah, based on a true story
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  as a loose association, yes. But it said that they were the
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  only, what was it called? Ologists, Demonologists that
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  were certified by the Vatican. OK.
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  Something something like that. And I don't know if that's true
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  or not. It doesn't really matter.
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  Well. I didn't look anything up, so I
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  don't. I don't, I don't know if that's
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  true or not, but I did find a lot of things interesting about
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  about them and some of their claims.
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  And if you watch the movie, if you haven't done a deep dive
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  into them or if you haven't heard about them any other way
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  in the movie, they seem like a really nice couple.
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  Now they are both dead. And since they were watching
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  demonic possession the item I'm not going to speak I'll of this
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  dead. That's a good idea.
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  But they weren't always the nicest people.
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  I feel like, I mean, I'm going to give give that some some
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  credence though, if your life's work and what do you agree or
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  believe in it or not. I think at this point doesn't
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  matter is devoted to something involving what you believe to be
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  and what other people believe to be demons and the devil and
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  possession and God and all of that.
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  Like, I feel like, I mean, more power to you, like, but of
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  course it was a a fraught history.
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  And of course they're going to have people that say that, you
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  know, they were hurtful or demanding or, you know, whatever
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  they might have said. I don't actually know, but it
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  wouldn't surprise me. I mean, it's not like they're
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  serving ice cream, you know what I'm saying?
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  Right, Right. Of course they're going to have.
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  I don't know, I. Don't know enemies, so did not
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  enemies, but you know what I'm saying.
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  I don't, I don't think that was the case.
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  I just think that. What if their opponents were
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  possessed? I said these people are frauds
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  because they were trying to get people off the scent.
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  Their daughter still runs their agency or whatever it was.
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  Oh yeah. Family, more power to her.
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  Apparently Lorraine died in like 2019, so not even that long ago.
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  Yeah, yeah. But but there was lots of It's
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  an interesting couple. She was a clairboy to.
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  Read about Yeah, I don't. It's an interesting couple to
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  read about and I would recommend anyone who is interested in that
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  type of work and perhaps any of their movies and diving a little
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  deeper into them to go ahead and do that because I just found it
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  a little fascinating. I also find it fascinating to
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  think the concept of I'm going to take all these possessed
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  items and just have them in my house and keep them safe, which
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  they truly did. That is, that is factual.
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  These items, whether they're kind of.
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  Like, you know what it probably is.
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  It probably because like they it's like a hunter keeps like
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  trophies and mounts them on the wall.
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  Yeah, except they kept them in secure storage or something, cuz
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  maybe they were concerned that yeah, that the evil spirits were
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  gonna come and get them. They kept them in their parlor
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  or something like that. It was not I mean, but.
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  Well. But I did want you to do the
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  reason. Can you imagine?
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  I'm sorry. Go ahead.
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  No. You can say what?
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  I was gonna say, Can you imagine in our house having a room full
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  of creepy relics, keepsakes, possessed objects and dolls and
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  books and all kind of weapons and man, and just walking in the
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  room and being like, there's those 72 different demons.
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  I think you. Nope.
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  You're living a different lifestyle for such a thing, but
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  I mean you. I get scared just thinking about
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  it. Well, you hear about people who
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  will and like back in history, right?
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  Like when I keep going back to Egypt.
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  But when they evacuated or evacuated was the word, were
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  they ex exhumed? I don't know where you you clean
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  out a tomb. Well, if there's a dead person
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  in it, there's that's exhumed of thought.
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  Right. But I mean, like in the Egyptian
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  pyramid stuff anyhow. So like the curse of whatever.
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  Yeah, Right, Right. And that, yeah.
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  So folks who had, you know, kept some of those items or whatever
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  like that, they had curses upon them.
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  I believe it. Yeah, so, but they didn't
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  probably know it, You know, there was a bad, it was bad to
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  hold. I mean that it might hurt them
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  and not smart. You know what can touch Gold.
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  Again, though, I also think, you know, if you look, I mean, bad
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  things do happen to everybody all the time.
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  So is it the object that did it, or is it just pointing back and
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  saying, well, Gee here, well, you had that object.
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  I mean maybe, but I would like to hear some of these tales cuz
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  what if they're like next level crazy?
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  Yeah. Then maybe it's not just like
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  some random association. It could be a future episode
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  because I have actually heard some of these tales.
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  OK, I have done. Our cursed tunes real.
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  Maybe that's we could put that in the notes.
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  Somewhere I don't that's not gonna that'll be way down the
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  road, so we don't need to go too far into that.
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  But, but I really wanted to know if you had the belief in being
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  able to be possessed because I thought that would be a really
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  interesting thing to talk about. And so we talked about this
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  beforehand and you had said. Oh, well, I mean, I was
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  uncertain, but you know, yes, but it was like maybe not a
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  direct correlation of demon possessing the soul, spirit and
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  body of a human, but like. Like a more like a like a living
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  demonically and that maybe kind of like you say, sometimes maybe
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  there's an association there. Now, that being said, as easily
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  scared as I am, it's not hard for me to make a leap from
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  someone is acting demon like to somebody is possessed by an
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  actual demon. The trouble I have is like, and
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  I said this when we were talking about it, It's like then you
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  have to swallow the whole kit and caboodle.
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  So like if you, for me anyway, this is where some of my arguing
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  brain gets a little hung up. It's like if I were to say yes,
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  that the human vessel can be possessed by a demon, then we
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  have to know it's a demon. What's the name of the demon?
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  Where does it come from? Does that then presuppose that
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  it's other demon corollaries are factual and its counterpart like
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  angels? And then are we God and the
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  devil? And like, that's a lot to take
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  in. I mean, if the question, if I
• 21:14
  could make it simpler in my brain, which is not something I
• 21:17
  can easily do. I'm a complicated person.
• 21:21
  It would be easy for me, I think, to say yes, But I go to
• 21:24
  like a next few different things.
• 21:26
  And that one's harder for me, for instance, than are psychics
• 21:30
  real? So when I asked.
• 21:32
  You, which we're tied on, by the way.
• 21:34
  When I asked you this question, yeah, I think you were expecting
• 21:39
  that. I was going to think that no
• 21:41
  matter what you were saying yes, that that was your answer.
• 21:44
  And I actually did not think you would say yes based on.
• 21:49
  Thanks, based on that I think I'm more in the no camp.
• 21:53
  Well, and you thought I would say no because?
• 21:56
  Right, because you're the constant skeptic.
• 21:58
  But I'm not like I say that. Remember that I always I want to
• 22:03
  believe in things. Are you?
• 22:05
  I think you're a secret believer.
• 22:06
  You just need to have I. There's a logical fallacy that
• 22:10
  that prevents you. From taking it and that's and
• 22:12
  that's the thing on this one and the superstition one right.
• 22:15
  So I actually do believe it's possible, which I, this is where
• 22:20
  I think This is why we couldn't do this question, because I
• 22:25
  believe it's possible based on the research I have done.
• 22:28
  And also in the house I was raised, although in my, the
• 22:32
  religion I was raised through with my mom technically doesn't
• 22:38
  believe in, in possession, but my father being Roman Catholic
• 22:44
  like that is a big deal. And so I always, whenever I
• 22:47
  would hear things about possession, I'd like, Nope,
• 22:50
  Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope. It's like it was in my DNA to be
• 22:53
  scared of it. So even still today I'm like,
• 22:56
  Nope, I, I don't know. I kind of believe it's possible.
• 23:00
  And I was doing, I was doing a little bit of reading beforehand
• 23:04
  because I'm like, I know the Catholics believe it.
• 23:06
  I mean, the Catholics do exorcisms.
• 23:09
  They are, yes. And so then I was wondering, and
• 23:12
  I know that the Lutherans were like, we do.
• 23:16
  We're not going to say it's not there, but we're not going to
• 23:19
  say it is there. You know, kind of like you.
• 23:21
  Exorcist. No.
• 23:23
  OK, maybe that's kind of like you just don't want to get on
• 23:26
  the bad side if there was 1. Right.
• 23:28
  And so then I was doing more dives because then I was like, I
• 23:31
  went into a couple other sects of Christianity and a lot of.
• 23:36
  SECTS. It just sounded like another
• 23:40
  word. Anyway, carry on.
• 23:41
  Well, anyhow, and so then most of them, well they're a lot of
• 23:45
  them actually did believe it's possible.
• 23:47
  But then there's different. So then I was wondering what
• 23:49
  about other Judeo-christian or, you know, other Judeo beliefs?
• 23:55
  And so like some Jewish people believe it's possible, which I
• 24:00
  found very interesting, and also some Muslim people, but it's,
• 24:04
  it's believed like it's actually a thing to exercise.
• 24:08
  Did you know that the name of I only just this random, random
• 24:12
  moments in Luke's brain, the name of the devil.
• 24:16
  I don't know what the whole story is, but in the Quran, do
• 24:20
  you know what the name of the devil is?
• 24:21
  No Jatat. It's very close to Satan, the
• 24:26
  words, you know, I thought that was kind of interesting.
• 24:28
  Interesting. Yeah.
• 24:29
  Yeah. Well, anyhow, so it kind of got
• 24:33
  me thinking, well, if all these people and there's plenty of
• 24:35
  religions if you go into it that believe in that.
• 24:38
  But I was just wondering, you know, like where did the
• 24:40
  offshoot happen? Where did where did the change
• 24:43
  happen? But so it was just interesting
• 24:48
  to know that so many religions believe it is possible to be
• 24:51
  possessed by a demon and. Well, here there's a whole,
• 24:58
  there's a whole religion that like that's part of the deal on
• 25:02
  purpose. What do you mean when you get
• 25:05
  into like Santeria and Polo Myombe?
• 25:07
  Then I mean I don't demonic possession.
• 25:11
  Well, not necessarily, but they call upon the Orishas, right?
• 25:16
  One of which Alegba or Alegba, depending on what language
• 25:21
  you're speaking, is like the the trickster spirit and is like
• 25:25
  kind of a little bit, you know, evil borderline.
• 25:27
  And if you're practicing the dark magic, you can, you can
• 25:31
  call up some, some evil stuff with that.
• 25:34
  I'm just saying. I think we're going to have a
• 25:36
  whole another episode at some point about Santeria.
• 25:38
  I think that we should for sure. And by the way, Nigeria
• 25:42
  listener, you know, the Aruba, the Aruba people of Nigeria drop
• 25:49
  that religion over. So I think that maybe that could
• 25:52
  be interesting for our Nigerian friends.
• 25:54
  Yeah, maybe they could see this whole information.
• 25:56
  What they think we think about their history, they'll be like,
• 25:59
  well, that's wrong. Well, and that would be
• 26:01
  interesting too because, you know, I mean there's large
• 26:04
  assumptions being for sure. I'd love to have some local
• 26:08
  history. Yeah, from some sent some
• 26:10
  messages. Yeah, yeah, let's e-mail because
• 26:13
  that'd be very interesting, I think before we even get
• 26:15
  anywhere near that topic anyway. A long time, Yeah.
• 26:19
  So anyhow, though, it was interesting to me how much it is
• 26:24
  believed. And like I said, and I've said
• 26:27
  before, and like Luke said, I like the spooky stuff.
• 26:30
  So I listen to podcasts about all these things.
• 26:32
  Oh, I don't. I've read books about these
• 26:35
  things, read articles. I read a couple books.
• 26:38
  You've read a couple. Yeah, back in the day.
• 26:41
  Well, I've read girl. I read every.
• 26:46
  Single. Day of my life on purpose.
• 26:48
  You read all the time. All the time.
• 26:50
  But back in the day I did. I read some Stephen King stuff.
• 26:52
  I read, well, when you were reading, I can't remember the
• 26:57
  name, Dean Koontz, he had some, some spooky type stuff.
• 27:01
  And I read a couple of his books that you had read.
• 27:04
  They were good. Yeah, I like.
• 27:06
  You derailed me. Sorry, my bad.
• 27:09
  Well, anyways, so demonic possession.
• 27:13
  Wow. No, no.
• 27:14
  No. No, not there.
• 27:16
  I must be possessed. It's.
• 27:17
  Oh, don't say that because I'm going to have some nightmare
• 27:20
  look at you and you're oh, she's trying to freak me out.
• 27:22
  Y'all it's working. Yeah, I'm trying to come back to
• 27:25
  the point that I was talking about.
• 27:28
  Well, if you're going to be derailed, I can just talk for a
• 27:30
  minute about these crazy movies. You had me watching previews
• 27:33
  too. So anyone out there listening
• 27:35
  that wants to throw a comment or an e-mail or something, We
• 27:40
  looked at like, what movies could I handle?
• 27:43
  That was literally like it was 1.
• 27:46
  Amber had to want to watch it bad enough because she doesn't
• 27:48
  like movies as she said. And two, can I actually survive
• 27:52
  the movie without being like, I'm out of here because I will
• 27:56
  bounce on a scary movie if it's too much?
• 27:58
  I'm like, Nope, we're dumb. And there was like 5 of them and
• 28:03
  one was called The Witch. And I don't know if I'll ever
• 28:06
  watch that movie because it was like set in 1600s England.
• 28:09
  And there was like a whole scene in the woods with like a kid and
• 28:13
  some I was like no thank you. And there was one, an Irish one
• 28:17
  called. I remember what I was going to
• 28:21
  talk about. I was talking about, well, just
• 28:23
  keep it in your head, Lake Lake Song or something like that.
• 28:26
  The Irish one looked weird. There's one called Hereditary
• 28:30
  that looked like I could have maybe done it because there was
• 28:32
  this thing about a grandma and a mom and a kid, and the mom made
• 28:35
  these weird little like figurines and a dollhouse and
• 28:38
  they got possessed and they moved around or something
• 28:40
  anyway. And then there was a, let's see,
• 28:43
  that was a conjuring that was in there and well, I forget the
• 28:46
  other one. Anyway, I watched like these
• 28:48
  five previews in the series, like in a row, so, you know, 5
• 28:53
  or 10 minutes. And by the end of just the
• 28:54
  previews, I was like, I'm terrified of everything I know.
• 28:57
  But it's like anything they put the best parts in the previews
• 29:00
  well whatever. Which is why I don't like
• 29:02
  watching trailers for anything cuz I'm like I've already seen
• 29:05
  the best parts in movie or I already know what the ending is.
• 29:09
  But I was talking about reading about possessions and things
• 29:14
  like that and listening to podcasts and I had recalled this
• 29:17
  one story from this priest from France.
• 29:22
  And he was talking, he wrote a whole book about his, his, the
• 29:28
  exorcism that he did with this young girl.
• 29:31
  And I don't know Young 1415. Stuff like that.
• 29:34
  The 5th movie was called The Exorcism of Emily Rose.
• 29:36
  Carry on. Which is a different.
• 29:38
  Yeah. Anyhow, so he, he wrote a whole
• 29:40
  book about it and like how long it was.
• 29:42
  And I had heard, I heard a lot of the accounts and I was like,
• 29:44
  gosh, I mean, just awful the concepts and, and really, if
• 29:48
  someone is like going, you having your body go through all
• 29:50
  of that sounds pretty awful. And I'd also heard about one
• 29:55
  where there was like this whole nunnery who got possessed and
• 30:00
  the whole thing, the whole nunnery got possessed.
• 30:02
  All the nuns. All the nuns, yeah.
• 30:04
  Oh, by like a squad of demons, or like one demon was.
• 30:09
  Good question. I didn't.
• 30:11
  Was the demon squad came up from the underworld?
• 30:14
  Can 1 demon possess multiple people at the same time?
• 30:17
  I mean, based on The Conjuring, yes.
• 30:22
  Well, yes and no, because there was the effect and then there
• 30:24
  was like the full blown Yeah, anyway, so I don't know.
• 30:28
  Yeah, that's interesting. I don't know that I ever want to
• 30:30
  find out. Yeah, so it but they were like,
• 30:32
  that was a big deal because there were so many people
• 30:34
  possessed in one spot. And also like nuns, you'd think
• 30:38
  we're kind of, you know, more immune if you're the right of
• 30:41
  Christ. Yes, protected.
• 30:42
  I'm just. Yeah, yeah.
• 30:43
  But maybe it was a bad marriage. I don't know.
• 30:46
  Maybe their vows weren't strong enough.
• 30:49
  Guess not. Guess not.
• 30:50
  But so then I when I've been looking for this guy who I'd
• 30:52
  originally heard about and, you know, listened to some stories
• 30:55
  on, I wrote the book, a really important book, I guess if
• 30:59
  you're into like learning how to exercise demons.
• 31:02
  If you I don't know if that's your light reading.
• 31:05
  How to exercise the demon one O 1?
• 31:07
  I don't know if it's quite that kind of like that, you know?
• 31:10
  Handbook for demon possessor kicker outers.
• 31:15
  So what are? They called it.
• 31:17
  Exorcism. Like in like the church is that.
• 31:20
  Yeah, OK. Like I, I don't know if you get
• 31:22
  like a certification or something.
• 31:24
  Do you get a badge? But you do have like a like
• 31:27
  they're titled to do that. You're allowed to do that.
• 31:31
  And a lot of times there's not like too many people who do it.
• 31:34
  So you'll have like your territory of doing it.
• 31:36
  But there was another guy when I was looking for that guy and I
• 31:39
  forgot I'd heard about him, but I did not realize like how big
• 31:44
  his reach was. And I don't even think he's been
• 31:46
  dead that long. But this guy, father amore or
• 31:52
  morph or something like that. I wrote it down because.
• 31:54
  I father love. A morph father morph anyhow, he
• 32:01
  says claim claim to have performed over 60,000 exorcisms
• 32:09
  in 30 years 60,000. What?
• 32:14
  The math. There's no math in there. 60
• 32:17
  Well, how about wait a minute, 60,000 exorcisms in 30 years?
• 32:23
  In 30 years. So 20,000 a year.
• 32:27
  No, no, 2000. 2000 a year. Yes.
• 32:34
  It's still bonkers. It's what like, yeah, it's it's
• 32:37
  not possible. So but he you'd.
• 32:40
  Have to do like a handful of date if you're gonna take a day
• 32:43
  off. So I think he just really was
• 32:45
  kind of saying it for clout, clearly.
• 32:48
  He's just walking around with like a water pistol with some
• 32:50
  holy water. Be like, boom, you're good.
• 32:52
  Boom, you're good. Yeah, well, I read to try to
• 32:55
  figure out how he could claim such an massive, massive number
• 32:59
  for one person, cuz he's like, it was just me, y'all in France.
• 33:03
  I had it all. I did it all cuz he would then
• 33:07
  say, well, everyone is, you know, can be possessed with even
• 33:09
  little demons. He's like, and I was a little
• 33:12
  prayer and I thought, all right, I mean, I, I think that's kind
• 33:16
  of cheating, but I didn't like. I think it's more into like what
• 33:19
  I was kind of I could yeah, agree with the like a like a
• 33:23
  mini possession right where it's not like a full blown you are
• 33:27
  the demon you're possessed by, but like you have a like a, a
• 33:31
  segment a little fraction. But I was thinking about that
• 33:34
  priest who wrote the book on exorcism after like, and this
• 33:38
  was like a month long ordeal, OK.
• 33:40
  I could imagine being like, you know, being dead and thinking
• 33:45
  how mad I would be at the dude was like, yeah, you did one for
• 33:48
  a month that you wrote a book about and it ruined your life.
• 33:51
  Big deal. I do 2000 a year.
• 33:54
  Like, I don't know. It was just, it was really
• 33:57
  interesting, but it is one of those things that I don't, I
• 34:01
  doubt I'll ever get possessed. I don't know not.
• 34:04
  Hope would. Let's hope not.
• 34:06
  However, I certainly have a fear of it, which is, you know, kind
• 34:11
  of like one of those unfounded fears.
• 34:13
  So I don't know. It's just I'm glad that we got
• 34:17
  to talk about it before the episode because I was certain,
• 34:20
  given how you were raised, that you would just be like, that is
• 34:23
  the most absurd thing. It's not possible.
• 34:26
  You're not going to have some girls heads spinning around,
• 34:29
  spitting out pea soup beds, levitating, things like that.
• 34:33
  From the Exorcist movie, right? Yes.
• 34:36
  OK, I don't think I've ever watched.
• 34:38
  That but the one priest who wrote the book, he was talking
• 34:40
  about those exact types of things that were happening.
• 34:42
  Maybe the movie is based on the other guy's book.
• 34:45
  It is based on something that I, yeah, I didn't.
• 34:48
  I don't know exactly what that is.
• 34:50
  Well, anyhow, I mean, while I think that there are people who
• 34:53
  exploit the possibility of possession.
• 34:58
  A mini possession sounds a little exploitative.
• 35:01
  I think so. I think so, yeah.
• 35:03
  But I also think that there are, you know, in my, in my fear and
• 35:08
  like maybe hedging bets here. Yeah, I'm gonna say I believe in
• 35:11
  it more than I don't because I wouldn't want to be the person
• 35:15
  who's like, I don't believe it. And then be like, boom, you're
• 35:17
  next. You definitely don't want to be
• 35:19
  next. No, I I really don't.
• 35:21
  I mean being spooked like that by something if oh man, I can't
• 35:28
  even imagine it. I'm scared of it in a movie.
• 35:30
  I can't even imagine it in real life.
• 35:32
  I know that movie had you very, The Conjuring had you very, very
• 35:37
  freaked out. And we had discussed another
• 35:39
  question beforehand and I was like, Oh, well, we can't do that
• 35:43
  question because your answer is not, it doesn't work.
• 35:47
  We wouldn't be able to argue about it.
• 35:49
  And then afterwards, after watching that movie, well, Luke,
• 35:54
  let me ask you a question. I was not ready for that.
• 35:58
  And the the moment you've all been waiting for, folks, here it
• 36:03
  is in this corner claiming to weigh in at 105 lbs of ghoulish
• 36:09
  delight. We have Amber and I don't
• 36:13
  remember the wins and losses record.
• 36:15
  Five wins for me. Uh oh.
• 36:16
  So you got all happy faced over there?
• 36:19
  4 losses. We have several ties.
• 36:22
  So I've won four times. Yeah.
• 36:25
  So we're still, I'm still in the running.
• 36:27
  You're not not in the running. OK.
• 36:29
  And we got a few ties, which is bogus, by the way.
• 36:31
  And by the time this airs we will have had like 2.
• 36:35
  Yeah we're gonna be off on the count cuz we did this pre record
• 36:38
  of like 3 episodes so that we would have good spooky content
• 36:42
  for everything. And then we want to have a good
• 36:44
  vacation. Yeah, yes.
• 36:47
  Anyhow, So in this corner, we have Luke, who is claiming to
• 36:52
  weigh in at 185 plus pounds. Getting ready for Spooky?
• 36:57
  I might actually be 185. I feel like I've lost a little
• 37:00
  bit of feel. Like I've gained weight because
• 37:01
  all the candy. I've been trying to resist that
• 37:04
  it's gonna. Continue.
• 37:05
  But that's OK. I mean like I can worry about it
• 37:07
  in my I'm. Pre gaming to go put on some
• 37:10
  vacation pounds. That's what.
• 37:12
  Because I'm excited about all the Anyway, sorry I got.
• 37:14
  Talked to you, so let me ask you the question and I know this is
• 37:18
  not a new question for you. OK, here we go.
• 37:20
  Luke, we just watched a scary. Movie we did.
• 37:24
  About a house. It was a house.
• 37:26
  That had many haunts. So haunted.
• 37:33
  Would you live in a haunted house?
• 37:35
  Hell no. I mean there couldn't even be a
• 37:41
  more of a no when you first were talking about that.
• 37:44
  We were gonna can we argue over the question?
• 37:46
  Cuz by the way, y'all, I know we've said this before, but just
• 37:48
  to refresh people's memory, we have to agree that we can
• 37:51
  disagree or we don't have something to record.
• 37:55
  So a lot of times we'll be like, what do you think about this?
• 37:57
  What do you think about that? And we're like in agreement.
• 37:59
  And so of course we discard the argument.
• 38:02
  This one, apparently there's an argument to be made on her crazy
• 38:06
  side over there. But for me, this one was sort of
• 38:10
  easy. It was it.
• 38:12
  Well, but, but here's the, the lead up to it.
• 38:15
  I had a bunch of conditions. I said, well, I might live in a
• 38:20
  haunted house if it's cool. Like that one TV show.
• 38:24
  I don't remember what network it's on.
• 38:25
  It's called Ghosts. That's great.
• 38:28
  It's super funny, this girl. NBC and BBC cuz it's originally
• 38:32
  a British. We watched the British one too.
• 38:35
  So this girl, like they, her and her husband, they like move out
• 38:38
  into the countryside cuz she inherited some sweet country
• 38:42
  Manor, something like that. And then she fell down and
• 38:45
  bumped her head and all of a sudden she could see ghosts.
• 38:47
  And there was like a bunch of ghosts in this house.
• 38:49
  And they were trapped there by some ghost law that said if you
• 38:51
  die here, you stay here. And it's hilarious.
• 38:54
  And the ghosts are not like scary or mean.
• 38:58
  They're like just, you know, people from different times of
• 39:01
  earth. And she gets to have these
• 39:03
  relationships with them and it seems for the most part, sort of
• 39:07
  okay. And I was thinking, well, that
• 39:10
  would be nice. So that was my condition.
• 39:13
  Can I, can I pick the type of haunted I get?
• 39:17
  And Amber said no. And then I was like, hell no,
• 39:21
  I'm not living in a haunted house because what did you get?
• 39:24
  Malicious ghosts that want to hurt or harm you, that want to
• 39:27
  scare you for the sake of scaring you.
• 39:30
  They want to go things that go bump in the night and flicker
• 39:33
  your light bulbs and open and close doors and make creepy
• 39:35
  sounds and oh man, and I just watched The Conjuring and that
• 39:40
  house was like haunted by this. Which demon loving crazy.
• 39:47
  She would be possessing people and slam, I mean slamming doors
• 39:50
  and like throwing heavy objects and cut.
• 39:53
  She cut the one guys neck with like a something can't even
• 39:56
  remember. And like, she'd be yanking on
• 39:59
  people's feet trying to pull him out of the bed and like,
• 40:02
  standing in a corner just looking like the creepiest ghost
• 40:05
  you could ever imagine with those weird creepy demon
• 40:08
  eyeballs and like, Oh my God, the whole.
• 40:13
  The premise of the secret passageways and the Oh no, and
• 40:17
  the hanging from a tree. There's too many things because
• 40:20
  if you lived in 100 houses, you don't know what kind of hunt
• 40:22
  you're going to get. I mean, I would imagine the
• 40:27
  sample size of which is what is probably similar to what humans
• 40:31
  are like in today. So most of the time your odds,
• 40:36
  maybe you're maybe you're 8020, maybe you're going to get a good
• 40:39
  one. But what if you hit that 20% and
• 40:43
  then like you got a ghost that like wants to like a be a culty
• 40:48
  ghost in life? It turns into like some sort of
• 40:51
  creepy culty ghost in the afterlife.
• 40:53
  Or what if it's a ghost that wants to hurt and maim and chop
• 40:59
  people up and then you get that one in your house and then
• 41:02
  usually wants to be chopping you up or eat you.
• 41:06
  Or man, I'm telling you, there's all kinds of crazy people out
• 41:09
  there that do some super demented stuff.
• 41:12
  And I just think if they had like ghost powers, that would be
• 41:15
  some next level scare for me. And if I can't even handle a
• 41:18
  movie, Oh my goodness. Imagine if it was every day of
• 41:22
  my life. I would be done.
• 41:24
  I'd burn that thing down and run as far away as you could. 01
• 41:29
  time. This is for the sake of our
• 41:31
  argument. You for real found a haunted
• 41:35
  house bed and breakfast in Wisconsin, which is next door to
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  us in Minnesota, and seriously tried to convince me that we
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  should buy it and live in it. I mean, who, what, who does
• 41:50
  that? Why do you want to go live in a
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  haunted house? Oh my.
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  And they were advertising it like an attraction.
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  No, they weren't. Well, how did you find out about
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  it? Well, I was.
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  Hold on, let me. Rest my case when?
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  It's my. Time.
• 42:04
  That's fine. You could talk a lot more
• 42:05
  because I don't remember all the details.
• 42:06
  I just Remember Me being like, that is not happening.
• 42:10
  So anyway, that's for me. Live in a haunted house?
• 42:15
  You bet all your fingers and toes I'm not moving in.
• 42:18
  No siree. You can keep all your creepy
• 42:21
  stuff. Nope.
• 42:23
  OK, you go ahead. So obviously I would live in a
• 42:28
  haunted house. Now, I think that I mean part of
• 42:36
  me is like, like we have discussed there are things that
• 42:38
  I am very cynical of and there, you know, so I would be like,
• 42:42
  it's probably not anything, right?
• 42:45
  But the house you were talking about, I really wanted.
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  It was such a good deal. It was such a good deal.
• 42:52
  It was like this bed and breakfast.
• 42:54
  I think it had like 8 bedrooms and six bathrooms and like a
• 42:59
  whole dining bar thing. And I think it was on a lake and
• 43:03
  I was like, Oh my gosh, I know people out there would want to
• 43:08
  purposefully stay in a haunted in a haunted hotel because I
• 43:13
  also have wanted to purposefully stay in a haunted hotel, right?
• 43:16
  Why? I don't even want to for we.
• 43:18
  Have we have? But not because it was like they
• 43:21
  don't build them. They they say they have haunts
• 43:24
  and whatnot, right? But like when you're booking it
• 43:26
  on the Internet, they don't say we're a haunted hotel.
• 43:29
  Depends on what sites you're looking through the.
• 43:32
  Normal 1. I would.
• 43:35
  I did happen before. I have looked to say, OK, what
• 43:38
  hotels are haunted in the area and I want to stay there because
• 43:41
  I love it to just see what's going on.
• 43:45
  I don't believe in a lot of it because I think a lot of things
• 43:48
  that go bump in the night happen to have four legs and a little
• 43:51
  tail, right? I think that's a lot of the
• 43:54
  things that go bump. In the like mice you're talking,
• 43:56
  yeah. Yeah, and.
• 43:58
  Or Orleans, where we were rats. Could have been rats.
• 44:02
  Oh yeah. Speaking of New Orleans repping
• 44:05
  the shirt, Yeah, Anybody. Anybody.
• 44:07
  Oh, do we have Louisiana yet? We do, but I don't know where in
• 44:10
  Louisiana I don't get that data. Maybe they know what this is.
• 44:13
  Yeah, Because when we were in New Orleans, I was like, this
• 44:16
  shirt is so cool. It's got a crazy looking
• 44:18
  werewolf and it says Roogaroo, Swamp legend.
• 44:21
  And then we went on the swamp and I asked the guy, I'm like,
• 44:25
  what's this? And he goes and he had kind of a
• 44:27
  Creole accent. Roogaroo and he talked about how
• 44:30
  it was like a swamp, swamp demon or whatever, and yeah.
• 44:35
  Anyway, back to the haunted house.
• 44:37
  You said Haunted Hotel in New Orleans and my brain got going.
• 44:40
  I know, I know we get sidetracked really easily, but
• 44:43
  sometimes when you get on the sidetrack train, I completely
• 44:46
  forget and I'm off and I'm I'm waiting for an airplane or
• 44:50
  something. I have no idea.
• 44:52
  Anyhow, So no, it doesn't. But but I think that, you know,
• 44:56
  if you believe in any type of hauntings.
• 44:59
  Now, here's the thing, if you don't believe in haunted houses,
• 45:02
  that houses can be haunted, then buying one that's supposedly
• 45:06
  haunted means nothing to you right now.
• 45:09
  If you do believe that it's possible that sometimes souls
• 45:13
  get stuck here, if you have houses that are over 100 years
• 45:16
  old, chances are someone died in near or around it.
• 45:22
  And you know why? Why wouldn't then the chances be
• 45:26
  that most houses might be haunted after a certain time?
• 45:29
  And I love big old houses. I love big Victorian houses.
• 45:34
  And I tried to sweeten the pot with you.
• 45:36
  And I was like, what if it's like, you know, we have our very
• 45:39
  rich St. And actually, and if anyone's
• 45:42
  interested, you could look it up at Summit Ave. in Saint Paul.
• 45:45
  And it is like the longest, longest, longest area of
• 45:53
  Victorian houses in a row on a on a street.
• 45:57
  So I don't know. Where?
• 45:58
  Like in the country? I don't remember if it was in
• 46:00
  the country at this state, but it was a pretty large.
• 46:02
  But anyhow, so I was like, would you live in one of those houses
• 46:06
  for like a stupid cheap amount of money, you know?
• 46:09
  If it was haunted. If it was haunted and you know,
• 46:13
  and he was kind of like, well, maybe, you know, I was like, I
• 46:15
  would because that would be my only opportunity to live in one
• 46:18
  of those houses. Millions of dollars.
• 46:21
  Millions, yes, millions of dollars, but that would just be,
• 46:25
  I feel like most people aren't bad.
• 46:29
  So I feel like if there are ghosts, most of them aren't bad
• 46:32
  and I I feel like it would be totally worth the risk.
• 46:36
  And what if they're fun and funny, right?
• 46:39
  Like, I mean, why? I would totally love it.
• 46:42
  I mean, this is going to creep you out.
• 46:44
  So I'm going to tell you this online for now, but you're fine
• 46:48
  because we know nothing happened in this house.
• 46:50
  But the other day I was putting sheets on the bed and I put the
• 46:55
  sheets on and I noticed that one of your drawers is out.
• 46:58
  And I was like, I push it back in and then I'm continuing to
• 47:02
  put more the sheets on a little differently.
• 47:04
  And then another drawer's out and I was like.
• 47:06
  I know it does that. And so then I push it back in,
• 47:09
  and then there you go. Yeah.
• 47:11
  And I was like. Don't say I got a haunted
• 47:14
  dresser, I just think it's gravity.
• 47:18
  I mean, that's not quite how gravity works, but I was just
• 47:21
  kind of like. Now you got me worried about.
• 47:24
  I mean, why do the drawers pop? I don't know, I thought it was
• 47:28
  gravity. Doesn't work like that.
• 47:31
  Is it air pressure in the inside of the?
• 47:34
  I thought it was bumping it a couple times and then it my.
• 47:37
  Husband doing that for a long time, you're telling me we got a
• 47:40
  no? I don't know, maybe just the
• 47:42
  dresser. You're right, it's gravity.
• 47:44
  No inside. Because I don't want to move.
• 47:46
  I think yeah, no. Let's go with though.
• 47:48
  Yeah, yeah. So anyhow, I was kind of
• 47:50
  laughing and I was like, that would be kind of funny.
• 47:52
  I would do that if I was a ghost.
• 47:53
  Just like every time you turn around, just whoop and just make
• 47:56
  you think what's going on, what's going on?
• 47:59
  That would be me. I would want to.
• 48:00
  Let what the ghost like, that's it then that's not that big of a
• 48:03
  deal. Yeah, for a lady who said you
• 48:06
  err on the side of caution with demon actual possession, you
• 48:10
  sound a little risky with a haunted house.
• 48:14
  I mean, I don't feel like these ghosts are going to try to
• 48:16
  inhabit me. I mean, I'm not really the
• 48:18
  greatest thing that I wouldn't want to inhabit me, but it was
• 48:22
  just really funny though, watching the the drawer, you
• 48:25
  know, I wasn't watching it. Every time I turn around, I'm
• 48:26
  like the first couple times you're like, are you, am I
• 48:30
  seeing things or am I going crazy or tonight, you know, air.
• 48:34
  Pressure, It's air pressure. I'm going with air pressure.
• 48:36
  Air pressure, but then so then not that long after that.
• 48:40
  Creeped out about my dresser. Our daughter comes into our room
• 48:43
  in the middle of the night and she's.
• 48:47
  Coming. I don't make a day, maybe later
• 48:51
  or something like that. She comes into our room and
• 48:53
  she's like, it's midnight. And she says, mom, dad, mom,
• 48:58
  will you wake up? There's something trying to claw
• 49:02
  its way into my room. And I was like, that's an
• 49:05
  interesting statement, you know, in my half, you know, sleepy
• 49:08
  brain, like something. And then I started hearing it
• 49:13
  and I was like, OK, Luke, you need to get up and deal with
• 49:18
  this. Because while my sleepy brain
• 49:21
  thought for a second, maybe it's a haunted house that we live in.
• 49:25
  Nope. My, my, what is left of my
• 49:27
  rational brain while sleeping realizes this is an actual
• 49:31
  critter and I'm not going to be dealing with it.
• 49:34
  So just very interesting. You know, twice within a very
• 49:38
  short amount of time, I was thinking about it.
• 49:41
  And you know what? I don't want to move.
• 49:42
  I love my house. And if there's anything in it, I
• 49:45
  love them too. You're a welcomed addition to my
• 49:47
  families. That's not true.
• 49:50
  I don't want this house to be haunted by flying squirrels or.
• 49:53
  Any. Kind of squirrel for that
• 49:56
  matter, no? No, no, no, no, no.
• 49:58
  I was talking about if. You know I was.
• 49:59
  Talking about if it was spirits, you know, I get it.
• 50:02
  It's kind of, I don't know. It wouldn't bother.
• 50:04
  Me waking you up in the middle of the night scratching on
• 50:06
  something. I was that loud.
• 50:08
  See, that's what I'm saying. Nobody wants that.
• 50:10
  No, but I mean, I sleep through a lot of things.
• 50:12
  I could figure it out if it's a place I like and I want to live,
• 50:16
  I it wouldn't bother me on on theory, you know, and growing up
• 50:21
  with sisters, which I'm sure is no different than growing up
• 50:24
  with brothers. Oh, it's different.
• 50:26
  I had a sister I am sure would have sat there, pulled sheets
• 50:31
  off my bed, do all sorts of things and been like just
• 50:33
  kidding, it wasn't me, you know, And I mean so I my.
• 50:36
  Brother's tried to scare me on purpose anyway.
• 50:38
  Yeah, that's, that's what I'm saying.
• 50:39
  I I don't think I'm as easily scared because so much of my
• 50:42
  brain just puts it to that's my sister doing those things or
• 50:46
  this is, you know, because I've been tricked enough times that
• 50:49
  I'm like, no, but but that is it.
• 50:52
  You wouldn't live in a haunted house.
• 50:54
  Not a chance. I would.
• 50:55
  I would buy one. I literally tried to get you to
• 50:58
  buy one. It was a great deal.
• 51:00
  It was a great deal because it was haunted.
• 51:02
  I mean, maybe, maybe not. I was willing to take the risk.
• 51:06
  And if it was or not, either way, it was going to become an
• 51:10
  Airbnb haunted house tour, so I'd have stayed there too.
• 51:15
  So that is our argument on our very 15th episode.
• 51:20
  It's wow Quinceanera that's. Amazing 15 episodes.
• 51:27
  It's not anything that like it's not a benchmark or anything,
• 51:32
  but. Still a big number.
• 51:34
  To me, yeah. It's just being a teenager is a
• 51:37
  Seminole moment in the life of a person.
• 51:39
  So maybe this is a Seminole moment in the life of.
• 51:42
  A bar mitzvah quinceanera. Wait, is it a Bar Mitzvah 15 or
• 51:47
  is that? 13 I can't.
• 51:48
  I don't know. I don't.
• 51:49
  Remember. Well, someone anyway surely
• 51:52
  does. But but it's amazing and I'm
• 51:55
  happy for it. And now if people have any ideas
• 52:00
  out there about what you'd like to hear us argue about?
• 52:02
  Spooky or otherwise. Yeah.
• 52:04
  Either way, I mean we actually just got a great submission the
• 52:07
  Today that we'll talk about it. Oh, I'm excited.
• 52:10
  I love the idea. Ideas.
• 52:12
  Yeah, no, you told me the idea. Oh, I did, yeah.
• 52:15
  From our employees. Oh, I don't like that one, but
• 52:19
  that's OK. That's OK.
• 52:21
  Yeah, I think it'll be fine. It's worthwhile talking about it
• 52:23
  at some point, yeah. Yeah, maybe.
• 52:25
  So. Submit them to us at
• 52:26
  arguingeverafter@gmail.com. Look, what should they do after
• 52:30
  they listen? Well, for sure they should vote
• 52:32
  for me because we don't want to live in a haunted house, do we?
• 52:36
  You, me and the listeners. What?
• 52:38
  About the Haunted Mansion in Disney World.
• 52:40
  Who would want to live there? I would.
• 52:42
  It smells like mold on purpose. They put moldy smells in the air
• 52:46
  and it's got all kinds of creepy music and man, you're messed up.
• 52:50
  And it's think on purpose. Like that's different.
• 52:52
  You're talking about actually living the ride too, I suppose.
• 52:56
  You're talking about wanting to live in a haunted house anyway,
• 52:58
  so the people should vote. And obviously the poll will be
• 53:02
  put on Spotify. That's the only place we have
• 53:04
  the poll. That's also the place we have
• 53:06
  video. So if you're an audio listener
• 53:08
  right now, I highly suggest you check out a video.
• 53:12
  If you're going to check out anyone in particular, I'm going
• 53:14
  to recommend the bonus episode we put out just because we did a
• 53:18
  show and tell. It was kind of fun.
• 53:21
  The other stuff's great too, because our facial expressions
• 53:23
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• 54:13
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  Australia. Yeah, and we have one more of
• 54:20
  spooky month. So that's right.
• 54:22
  You know, maybe put like a reminder on your phone.
• 54:25
  That's good. That's a good.
• 54:26
  Idea Tuesday, whatever that date is the next Tuesday and then put
• 54:31
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• 54:43
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• 54:46
  Bye.