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- Lucas: When Yvon Chouinard transferred ownership of Patagonia to a trust and a nonprofit in 2022, he essentially said, 'Earth is now our only shareholder.' It sounded radical, but what does that actually mean for the boardroom? Luna: It means the board's fiduciary duty shifted from maximizing shareholder value to something else entirely. But what exactly? And how do they make it work in practice? Lucas: Right. So Patagonia is now owned by two entities: the Patagonia Purpose Trust, which holds all the voting stock, and the Holdfast Collective, a nonprofit that gets all the profits not reinvested into the business. The trust's job is to ensure the company stays mission-driven. The nonprofit gets the money for climate causes. Luna: And the board sits in the middle. They're appointed by the trust, but they have to answer to both the mission and the financial reality of running a half billion dollar apparel company. Lucas: Exactly. The board has six members: Yvon and his wife Malinda are two, plus the CEO Ryan Gellert, and three independent directors. One of them is Dan McCarthy, a former Patagonia executive who now runs a sustainability consultancy. Another is Ayana Elizabeth Johnson, a marine biologist and climate policy expert. Luna: So you've got a scientist, a sustainability executive, and a climate advocate. That's a far cry from the typical board packed with ex-CFOs and retired bankers. Lucas: And that composition shapes every major decision. Take the decision to close all Patagonia stores on Black Friday in 2016. The board didn't just approve it—they debated whether it was performative or genuinely impactful. Luna: Didn't they also run an ad that said 'Don't Buy This Jacket' around the same time? That feels like a board-level conversation too. Lucas: It absolutely was. The marketing team proposed it, but the board had to sign off because it directly contradicts short-term revenue goals. The discussion wasn't about whether it would hurt sales—they knew it would. It was about whether the message was authentic enough to justify the hit. Luna: And the board said yes. Which tells you the mission really does drive the bus. Lucas: But here's where it gets tricky: the board also has to ensure the company stays financially healthy. Patagonia is still a for-profit corporation. If it goes bankrupt, it can't fund the Holdfast Collective. So there's a constant tension between maximising impact and preserving the business. Luna: How do they evaluate the CEO in that context? Ryan Gellert isn't judged on earnings per share, presumably. Lucas: According to Gellert himself, his performance is measured against three criteria: financial health, mission advancement, and employee well-being. Financial health is about staying viable, not maximising profit. Mission advancement is measured by things like carbon footprint reduction per unit sold. Employee well-being includes retention and engagement scores. Luna: So there's no single target like 'grow revenue by 15 percent.' It's more of a balanced scorecard. Lucas: Exactly. And the board reviews those metrics quarterly. If the company is growing but mission metrics are slipping, they'll push the CEO to pull back. That's the opposite of what most boards do. Luna: What about the ownership transfer itself? I remember that Chouinard's family essentially gave away their $3 billion stake rather than sell or take it public. Did the board have any say in that decision? Lucas: The board was involved in structuring the deal, but ultimately it was Yvon's decision. He owned the company outright. But the board had to approve the creation of the trust and the Holdfast Collective, because it fundamentally changed the governance structure. They had to be comfortable that the new setup would actually work. Luna: And one big question was the tax implications. The transfer triggered a gift tax of roughly $10 million, I think. The board had to make sure the company could handle that cash outflow without destabilising operations. Lucas: Right. And they did. But that $10 million is a real cost of being mission-driven. Most companies would have sold to a private equity firm and pocketed the proceeds. Patagonia's board chose to incur a tax bill instead. Luna: And since the transfer, the Holdfast Collective has given away hundreds of millions to climate causes. That's a direct line from board decision-making to real-world impact. Lucas: It is. And I think that's the part that's hardest for traditional corporate boards to replicate. Patagonia's board can take a 20-year view because there's no pressure to show quarterly growth. Most public company boards are stuck in a 90-day cycle. Luna: Speaking of that long-term view, I'm reminded that this show exists because listeners like you support it. If these boardroom conversations have given you a new perspective on how companies actually make decisions, a couple of dollars a month genuinely keeps this going. You can find it at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo, no pressure at all. Lucas: Yeah, it really does make a difference. And it keeps the show ad-free, which lets us dive deep into cases like this one without worrying about commercial breaks. So thanks to anyone who's chipped in. Luna: Alright, back to Patagonia. One more thing I've wondered: how does the board handle a crisis when the mission itself is questioned? Like, there was criticism a few years ago about Patagonia's supply chain transparency. Lucas: Right, the 'Who Made Your Clothes?' movement. Patagonia actually welcomed that scrutiny. The board saw it as an opportunity to push the company further. They approved a plan to publish a complete list of their factories—including those with violations—and then worked with those factories to improve conditions rather than just cutting ties. Luna: That's a board that's comfortable with transparency even when it hurts. Lucas: Exactly. And that's the hallmark of Patagonia's governance: they're willing to look bad in the short term if it means being better in the long term. Most boards would rather hide problems. Patagonia's board puts them in the open. Luna: So what's the one lesson for other boards that want to take purpose seriously but aren't structured like Patagonia? Lucas: I'd say it's this: you don't need to give away your company to change how you govern. You can start by changing the metrics you use to evaluate the CEO. If you only measure financial performance, you'll get financial performance. If you also measure environmental impact and employee satisfaction, you'll get a more balanced outcome. Luna: And maybe add a marine biologist to the board while you're at it. Lucas: That wouldn't hurt. Patagonia's case shows that board composition is the lever. The people in the room determine the questions that get asked. And the questions determine the decisions. Luna: Alright, that's a good place to leave it. Next time, we're looking at how the board of a company you've never heard of managed to turn a niche product into a global monopoly. Lucas: Looking forward to it. I'm Lucas. Luna: And I'm Luna. Thanks for listening.