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What is the FUTURE of RHOP? · Reality with The King

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Speaker 1: down with my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our
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Speaker 1: favorite reality shows, and revisit unforgettable moments that we are
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Speaker 1: still talking and tweeting about. Hey rain Drops, Yes, the
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Speaker 1: yeomen of everyone's dreams. Y'all been asking about her, wanting
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Speaker 1: to hear from her. She is my girl, She is
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Speaker 1: y'all fave, and she just so happens to be somebody
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Speaker 1: who said to me.
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Speaker 2: I want to say a year ago or closer.
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Speaker 1: To that, that she was checking out a Potomac and
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Speaker 1: she wanted the show to be centered around Candice Dillark Bassett.
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Speaker 2: So we have a lot to catch up on.
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Speaker 1: Give it up for my beautiful, gorgeous honey friend, Jasmine
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Speaker 1: Henley Brown.
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Speaker 3: Hello, Carlos Lake Jones, Raphael Povich Springer.
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Speaker 4: Walters, Yes, you are the father.
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Speaker 2: Yes, listen, I am the pause father. Yes, Hodey, there's.
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Speaker 3: Somebody who calls himself the Powfather is going to kick
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Speaker 3: your ass. I'm not going to say his name though,
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Speaker 3: because I heard he can be litigious.
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't want no smoke with him.
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, That's why I'm not saying. I'm not
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Speaker 4: saying who it is. I'm not saying who it is.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's funny.
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Speaker 1: I posted a selfie once and said the pop father,
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Speaker 1: and the girl said, that's so Assult's name.
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Speaker 2: I said, I wanted to know that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, fine, Like I'll stay with the kid in reality television.
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Speaker 2: Let me let me.
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Speaker 4: Not add anyway.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to add more to my play. But
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Speaker 1: the rain Drops have been requesting you. A few of
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Speaker 1: them tagged you recently. Have you been feeling the love
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Speaker 1: that they're like, bring Jasmine back.
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Speaker 3: I always feel the love. I feel like you have
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Speaker 3: one of the best like fan bases. The rain Drops
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Speaker 3: are so supportive. They've always been really, really nice. There
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Speaker 3: have been a couple of shady comments here and there,
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Speaker 3: but the good definitely outweighs the bad. And you know,
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Speaker 3: I'll pay a bitch dust in a second. So I'm
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Speaker 3: always you know, I'm always your love that I never
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Speaker 3: too ill.
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Speaker 2: I have missed you so much, so I'm happy, miss Listen.
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Speaker 1: It's fun because I'm like, I get to talk to
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Speaker 1: my girl and have her on the podcast and key
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Speaker 1: key and what better job can a brother ask for?
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Speaker 2: So let's get the people what they want.
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Speaker 1: And we're all wearing black because we're morning Candace Dealer Bassett.
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Speaker 4: My kangle isn't prepared, dang.
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Speaker 2: It, Oh girl, Sorry Candace.
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Speaker 1: So look, you once said to me that you felt
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Speaker 1: that the show should be centered around Candace.
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Speaker 2: And the way.
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Speaker 1: We all know where we were when OJ Simpson had
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Speaker 1: the Bronco being chased by the police rip. We all
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Speaker 1: know where we were when OJ had the Bronco. We
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Speaker 1: know where we were when the verdict of OJ came down.
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Speaker 1: We know where we were when we.
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Speaker 2: Found out Kyle and Marisia were separated.
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Speaker 1: We know where we were when we were realized we
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Speaker 1: can never buy a white refrigerator after Nini Leeg said.
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Speaker 3: Why refrigerator should stew her ass because she's single handedly
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Speaker 3: ruined everything, Like if I walk into a place with
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Speaker 3: a wire refrigerator.
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Speaker 4: Oh no, honey, what is this?
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Speaker 1: So where were you when you learned that Candace Diller
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Speaker 1: Bassett was leaving the show?
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Speaker 4: I think I was lying in my bed.
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Speaker 3: I was resting because I'm getting a lot of rest
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Speaker 3: these days. I wasn't doing much, but I remember being
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Speaker 3: so shocked, like she's leaving. But I was happy when
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Speaker 3: I read it and saw that she was leaving on
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Speaker 3: her own. She made the choice to leave. She was
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Speaker 3: not fired, because I was going to have a lot
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Speaker 3: of questions if they were letting Candace go. But I'm
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Speaker 3: actually happy Candace made the decision to leave, especially with
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Speaker 3: the news that followed about the expansion of her family.
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Speaker 4: So I am sad.
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Speaker 3: To see her go because I really think if we're
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Speaker 3: talking about a future.
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Speaker 4: Of Potomac in the show, she fits that bill.
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Speaker 3: But after watching the parts the three parts of the reunion,
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Speaker 3: Candace does not have a friend on that cast. She
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Speaker 3: does not have one friend on that cast, and that's
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Speaker 3: not an environment that you want to be in when
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Speaker 3: you're pregnant and bringing a new life into this world.
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Speaker 3: So good on you, Candy, Honey.
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Speaker 2: Let's dive right into it.
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Speaker 1: So you watch all three parts Reunion only because you
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Speaker 1: knew I was going to talk to you. So before
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Speaker 1: we get into the questionable friends that Candace doesn't have
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Speaker 1: in terms of what you think she doesn't have, how
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Speaker 1: checked out were you this past season.
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Speaker 4: The Austin episode. I remember making a video. It might
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Speaker 4: have been the episode.
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Speaker 2: Prior it went viral, by the way, I don't even.
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Speaker 3: Know what viral means at this point, but yeah, I'll
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Speaker 3: take it. I will take it. I will take it.
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Speaker 3: I made a video about how a comfortable it was
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Speaker 3: to watch them just kind of ice Candace out and
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Speaker 3: just be not cohesive as a group.
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Speaker 4: It was really hard to watch.
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Speaker 3: I remember watching that, and I remember the Austin trip happens,
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Speaker 3: and I'm like, that's a trip that I could call
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Speaker 3: my friends up and we could take on a Wednesday.
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Speaker 3: I watched these shows because of the aspirational lifestyles, because
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Speaker 3: of the opulence of wealth, right. I watched this to
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Speaker 3: get a peek into people's lifestyles that I'm not familiar with,
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Speaker 3: and that was something that I could just do on
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Speaker 3: a regular day, and so I just felt like when
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Speaker 3: you add that to just the way that the cast
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Speaker 3: feels like, the vibe, the negativity, you know, a pair
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Speaker 3: with the trips that are just very subpar, I was like, Okay,
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Speaker 3: I don't think this is for me. I think they've
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Speaker 3: officially lost the plot. They've officially lost the plot.
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Speaker 1: No, I think it's hilarious that you and I both
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Speaker 1: stopped watching this season during the autin trip, and it's
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Speaker 1: indicative of the similarities that the audience feels. It's sort
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Speaker 1: of the breaking point that we all had at the
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Speaker 1: same time, because you and I are not alone in that.
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Speaker 1: I think the reason why our percentage of people did
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Speaker 1: check out of the show is because, look, we know,
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, these people aren't real friends.
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Speaker 1: The conceit of now we're real friends we like hangout
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Speaker 1: off camera, we know that's not the case, and look,
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Speaker 1: I have shows where some of these people do not
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Speaker 1: hang out off camera, and so that's not even the
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Speaker 1: case because we still watch we loved Atlanta Housewives when
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Speaker 1: we knew that some of y'all don't really hang out
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Speaker 1: with each other.
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Speaker 2: But what made our favorite shows.
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Speaker 1: The favorite is because at least they all clocked in
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Speaker 1: and said, look, while we're a part of this institution
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Speaker 1: for three to four months, let's do our best to
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Speaker 1: figure things out. And I think for us it was
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Speaker 1: sort of like, you guys don't like each other.
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Speaker 2: You guys do not want to be around each other.
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Speaker 1: The isolation and the ostracization of Candice bothered me and
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Speaker 1: I and it bothered me in a way where listen,
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Speaker 1: we all or know someone who felt isolated.
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Speaker 2: When we were in school.
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Speaker 1: You know, if you had a parent that transferred you
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Speaker 1: to different schools, that's tough. I was somebody who moved.
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Speaker 1: I went to like three elementary schools, right, And I
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Speaker 1: just remember always feeling alone, like people aren't really messed
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Speaker 1: with me because I'm a new kid on the block.
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Speaker 1: And I felt that Candace represented that person, that child,
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Speaker 1: and all of us who had that experience. And I
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Speaker 1: just felt it was like, I don't want to watch
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Speaker 1: a show where this one woman is being isolated and
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Speaker 1: she's around a bunch of women who don't see it
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Speaker 1: for her. And when it comes to her friends, I
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Speaker 1: always thought Wendy was her friend in real life. Do
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Speaker 1: you not think that Wendy is Canvas's real friend.
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Speaker 3: I don't think so. No, I don't think that's her enemy.
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Speaker 3: I don't think she's her op or anything like that.
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Speaker 3: I just feel like they have a friendship of convenience
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Speaker 3: Garcel and Sutton right on Beverly Hills Real Health Tives
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Speaker 3: of Beverly Hills. I think Wendy and Candace both don't
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Speaker 3: feel super welcome within the group, and so it makes
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Speaker 3: them being friends feel like the best fit. And yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's why I say, like, Candis doesn't have a friend
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Speaker 3: on the show, And I think you're right too. Like
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Speaker 3: I was watching the reunion and like watching Candace cry
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Speaker 3: kind of like she cries a lot, right, And I
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Speaker 3: feel like I'm a very sensitive woman myself, so I
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Speaker 3: cry often. But I was feeling like, man, I think
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Speaker 3: Candace is crying and she's so sensitive with this group
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Speaker 3: because it's like she can't do anything really like right
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Speaker 3: with them, right, And it's like, yep, I don't see
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Speaker 3: her overtly trying to prove herself as you know, good
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Speaker 3: enough or to be accepted. I don't think that's how
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Speaker 3: Candace is. But I do think Candace does have all
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Speaker 3: the components that should be well accepted and she's just not.
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Speaker 3: And I think that really does bother her. But that's
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Speaker 3: also why I say, girl, you're pregnant, you're about to
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Speaker 3: have your baby.
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Speaker 4: You don't need to be around a group.
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Speaker 3: Of people who are making you feel the way that
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Speaker 3: these women seem to make you feel on a day
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Speaker 3: to day basis.
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Speaker 4: Just be done with it.
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Speaker 3: But I do I agree with you. I think Candish
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Speaker 3: just feels super ostracized from the group. She doesn't feel accepted,
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Speaker 3: and I think she does. You know, we all want
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Speaker 3: to be accepted. Like, yes, it's no shame when I
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Speaker 3: said that, we all want to be accepted, especially when
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Speaker 3: you're in a group like this on a reality TV show.
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Speaker 4: You want to be well received and well liked.
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Speaker 1: One of my rain drops said to me, and I
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Speaker 1: would love to get your point of view on this,
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Speaker 1: because I do think he has a good point. Hi
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Speaker 1: Janelle on Twitter, I call him mister Gobadi Bryant because
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Speaker 1: he is a gazelle stand and a porsious stance. So
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Speaker 1: Hi Janelle, I love him, he said on Twitter. And
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Speaker 1: I was like, this is very interesting and I would
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Speaker 1: love to get your point of view.
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Speaker 2: He said, that with Giselle being the.
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Speaker 1: Queen Bee of the show, that if we want to
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Speaker 1: break it down, Wendy and Candace want Gazelle to like them,
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Speaker 1: and the struggles in the beginning was what you said.
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Speaker 2: We all want to be accepted.
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Speaker 1: It's just it's human nature and there's not one person
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Speaker 1: in this world who has never felt that way. You
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Speaker 1: may not feel that way as much getting older, but
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Speaker 1: in every scenario that you're in one of those, you want.
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Speaker 2: To feel accepted.
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Speaker 1: He said that the girls want Gazell to accept them,
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Speaker 1: and he said that when you if you really played
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Speaker 1: close attention to the earlier seasons, he said, Wendy wanted
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Speaker 1: Gazel's approval, and that's why when Monique and Candace had
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Speaker 1: that altercation, Wendy sided with Gazelle immediately. And obviously there's
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Speaker 1: questions though who was right or wrong. We're not going
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Speaker 1: to get into that. And then Candace said recently that
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Speaker 1: the only reason why Giselle had her side during the
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Speaker 1: altercation with Monique is because she hated Monique.
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Speaker 2: She never liked Candace.
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Speaker 1: She just she wanted Monique out and she used Candace
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Speaker 1: as proxy to do it. And they all said, if
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Speaker 1: you really pay a close attention to the show. Wendy
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Speaker 1: and Candace were looking for Giselle's approval and when.
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Speaker 2: They didn't get it, and.
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Speaker 1: She was obviously so overtly, you know, not the nicest
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Speaker 1: to them that it hurt them. And when you see
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Speaker 1: Candace cry when it comes to her friendships with Robin,
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Speaker 1: even Giselle is because she really wanted their acceptance.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely. I mean we've talked about this before.
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Speaker 3: Everyone who comes into Potomach they want Giselle's acceptance. So
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Speaker 3: whether you call her the Queen Deee, the Regina George
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Speaker 3: of the group, whatever, for whatever reason, when people come
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Speaker 3: to the something, We've seen it with every newbie, they
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Speaker 3: want Zelle's acceptance. Even you know, you brought up Mommy.
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Speaker 3: You can see her money got off to a rocky start.
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Speaker 3: But the moment Gizelle kind of accepted Monique, Monique was
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Speaker 3: all in with her with that relationship, right, And it's
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Speaker 3: very obvious there's something about Gazelle that people just.
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Speaker 4: Want acceptance from, except for Karen.
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Speaker 3: I feel like Karen is the only one who's like,
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Speaker 3: I could go either way. But I think that's because
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Speaker 3: they already had a history before the show, and she
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Speaker 3: has Gazelle's number. It's like, I don't need you to
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Speaker 3: accept me, like you know, the Grand dam doesn't need anybody,
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Speaker 3: all right, But yeah, I think everybody that comes through
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Speaker 3: the show wants to be accepted by Gazelle for whatever reason.
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Speaker 3: And it's not you know, like she's a beautiful woman,
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Speaker 3: but they're all beautiful, you know what I'm saying. I
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Speaker 3: don't know if it's just Gazelle's attitude of like, I
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Speaker 3: couldn't care less about any of this. So when you
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Speaker 3: meet a person who couldn't care less about anything, the
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Speaker 3: one thing you want is for them to actually care
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Speaker 3: about you.
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Speaker 4: So maybe that's what it is. But it's something about.
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Speaker 3: That damn Giselle that people just want her acceptance, and
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Speaker 3: I understand if that could be hurtful to not have it,
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Speaker 3: especially if you go from having it and then there's
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Speaker 3: a fallout and you no longer have it. She seems
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Speaker 3: so disinterested in even trying to build anything with Candace,
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Speaker 3: and that could also be herful of Candace is on
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Speaker 3: the side of the aisle where she's like, I'm willing
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Speaker 3: to forgive her, but then Gisella is like, I don't
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Speaker 3: really care if you forgive me or not.
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Speaker 4: I don't want anything to do with you. That's hurtful.
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Speaker 4: And this is just speaking as like a human being.
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Speaker 3: It's not like Candace personally Giselle personally, Like that's hurtful
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Speaker 3: when you want someone to like you, or you know,
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Speaker 3: you want to walk in forgiveness with them and they
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Speaker 3: just don't even care about it.
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Speaker 1: No, but you listen, you are one hundred percent right
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Speaker 1: to me, because this isn't us sort of recapping the season.
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Speaker 1: It's more so about the psychology of Potomac. And the
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Speaker 1: only thing I can say to you is two things. First,
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Speaker 1: when you met Giselle when you were my EP the
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Speaker 1: podcast and we did a zoom interview, you even said
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Speaker 1: to her and to me, I don't want I don't
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Speaker 1: wanna speak for you, so just say what you said.
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Speaker 4: No, Giselle was so nice, like she was so cool.
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Speaker 3: She was cracking jokes, like she was being like the
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Speaker 3: Giselle that we see her be on the show.
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Speaker 4: That's who she was when we had her on Reality
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Speaker 4: with the King.
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Speaker 3: And I always say this stuff because people ask me, like,
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Speaker 3: when you know they see that you have certain house fives,
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Speaker 3: their reality starts was such and such mean or how
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Speaker 3: were they I'm like, everybody was nice to me. But
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Speaker 3: I also recognize I'm in a specific position when I
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Speaker 3: was their EP. They're coming into the show and I'm
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Speaker 3: your EP. No one's gonna be rude to the executive producer,
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Speaker 3: you know, like the of the host of the show
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Speaker 3: right or of the show.
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Speaker 4: So I do recognize that there was.
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Speaker 3: Almost like a privileged position that I was sitting in
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Speaker 3: to meet these women. But maybe they were nicer to
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Speaker 3: me than they would normally be if I was just
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Speaker 3: you know, Joe Schmoe on the street, or if I
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Speaker 3: were one of their cats. I have found it harder
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Speaker 3: to jump on the hate train of Giselle because I
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Speaker 3: have met her and she wasn't this awful evil person
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Speaker 3: that she's.
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Speaker 4: Made up to be. I'm not saying she's a great person.
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Speaker 4: I don't.
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying I agree with her actions and the
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Speaker 3: thing she displayed because I thought her laughing at Candace
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Speaker 3: crying was terribly juvenile.
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Speaker 4: But I haven't.
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Speaker 3: Experienced her personally to be a bad person. But that's
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Speaker 3: also why I'm teen Candace, because I've experienced Candicce more
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Speaker 3: times than i've met Gazelle, and she's so sweet, so lovable,
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Speaker 3: so supportive of just like black women doing anything that
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Speaker 3: I am all often taken it back by the hate
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Speaker 3: that she gets from other black women. So I'm like,
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Speaker 3: if y'all knew this woman, she is, she is rooting
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Speaker 3: for whatever you're doing. Like, she is such a supporter
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Speaker 3: of black women. So it's always like it's a tangled
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Speaker 3: web of like being in proximity with these people and
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Speaker 3: then like witnessing how they are treated based on the show.
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Speaker 4: It's often disconnected to me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is, it is. It is.
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Speaker 1: And obviously I have been around Gazelle. We have a
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Speaker 1: great rapport and that's the reason why last week I said,
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Speaker 1: well the real Gazelle Brian stand up, because the Gazelle
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Speaker 1: I see on the show is not the Gizelle I
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Speaker 1: met in person and been around. Those are two different people,
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Speaker 1: and it's interesting to know that there is a side
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Speaker 1: of her that I do see on the show that
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Speaker 1: I don't understand. And I agree with you that in
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Speaker 1: any sort of situation, whether you're at a work or
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Speaker 1: amongst your friend group, you do want to be able
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Speaker 1: to have the sort of leader like you and at
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, Gizelle is that leader. But
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Speaker 1: when it comes to the psychology of the show that
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Speaker 1: we're seeing, and I want to get your thoughts.
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Speaker 2: After watching the three part reunion the cast.
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Speaker 1: It's so disjointed that you can tell that they were
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Speaker 1: told like try to get along and make amends. And
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Speaker 1: even Candace said that she was told to hold back.
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Speaker 4: I don't know when I read it. I didn't read
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Speaker 4: it like as a quote from Candace.
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Speaker 3: I read it as like someone saying that that's what
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Speaker 3: they heard.
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Speaker 4: So I was like, I don't know how true this is,
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Speaker 4: but that is official. Like Candace said that out of
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Speaker 4: her mouth.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she said she was told to like pretty much
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Speaker 1: hold back. Because obviously if you look at the reunion,
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Speaker 1: and I believe this was part three, when she sort
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Speaker 1: of looked off camera said y'all want me to make
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Speaker 1: up with this? You know that sort of gave an
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Speaker 1: idea that, yeah, and it's what you said too, let's
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Speaker 1: have a real conversation.
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Speaker 2: I want this show to do well.
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Speaker 1: However, I am afraid of the future because I too
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Speaker 1: felt that Candace was the future. And one thing I
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Speaker 1: know about producing reality shows is when you have somebody
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Speaker 1: who we saw all these milestones. The wedding happened, the
19:08
Speaker 1: first time she was a home buyer, you know, we
19:10
Speaker 1: saw that happen. We saw glimpses of her being a
19:13
Speaker 1: step mom, and we saw this journey of her wanting
19:17
Speaker 1: to have a baby, and now that she's having a baby,
19:21
Speaker 1: and I believe she is at this point fourteen weeks pregnant.
19:26
Speaker 1: The fact that we're not able to see that, it's
19:29
Speaker 1: equivalent to us not being able to see Kenya Moore
19:34
Speaker 1: have a baby. Like there's just certain things where you're like,
19:39
Speaker 1: we were on this journey and we want to see
19:41
Speaker 1: this payoff, and it's unfortunate that this woman who has
19:46
Speaker 1: all this story is gone.
19:49
Speaker 2: But we have to deal with Ashley.
19:51
Speaker 4: Darby, which is the biggest fumble for me.
19:55
Speaker 3: Like you guys like Candice walk Away when she's about
19:59
Speaker 3: to to have a baby, but you're keeping Ashley, who's
20:04
Speaker 3: not gonna give us anything more than she's given us.
20:07
Speaker 3: If she really is dating someone, she may she might
20:10
Speaker 3: want to give a dating storyline, but that doesn't even
20:13
Speaker 3: seem to be true, right, Like Ashley just doesn't seem
20:16
Speaker 3: to be very.
20:16
Speaker 4: Forthcoming, and I'm like, you're keeping her you're.
20:19
Speaker 3: Keeping Giselle, who, like I have said multiple times, is
20:23
Speaker 3: not going to give us more than what she gave us.
20:24
Speaker 4: That boy she was playing with last season.
20:28
Speaker 2: He was dating some girl the whole time allegedly.
20:30
Speaker 3: Well I never bought that they were dating for real anyway,
20:33
Speaker 3: Like stop playing about your pace. Okay, that's the extent though,
20:37
Speaker 3: that we're gonna ever get of Gizelle's like dating life,
20:40
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like the stuff with her
20:42
Speaker 3: her daughters, that's always going to be like really good TV.
20:45
Speaker 4: But Gizelle just isn't willing to give us as much.
20:48
Speaker 3: Like we've seen candases like strain relationship with her mother,
20:51
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. We've seen like how that
20:53
Speaker 3: has gone back and forth and seems to be like
20:55
Speaker 3: on the up and up. Right, She's shown us so
20:58
Speaker 3: much more, and I feel like she is at the
21:00
Speaker 3: point of her life she would still be ready to
21:02
Speaker 3: give and we're not gonna be able to see it.
21:05
Speaker 3: But we're stuck kind of with these sagnant storylines and
21:08
Speaker 3: people who are just gonna wait until they get new
21:10
Speaker 3: cast members and kind of dig deeply into their lives
21:13
Speaker 3: and try to make things hell for them, and that's
21:16
Speaker 3: gonna be the cycle and that's not good for the
21:19
Speaker 3: future of Potomacs.
21:21
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on the future of Doctor Wendy.
21:24
Speaker 3: I'll say this, I think that Doctor Wendy's not beating
21:27
Speaker 3: the allegations of not wanting another like Nigerian girl on
21:32
Speaker 3: the show, because as I sat and watched the reunion,
21:37
Speaker 3: I said, I actually, I'm actually buying into that theory
21:41
Speaker 3: now because she's see the way in the way that
21:43
Speaker 3: Giselle is so disinterested in building any feeling Candice. Wendy
21:47
Speaker 3: seems the same way with Mecca, like there's no room
21:50
Speaker 3: for resolve, like I have no desire to be cool
21:53
Speaker 3: with these very dismissive of her, just kind of like
21:56
Speaker 3: paying her the I mean, the three times that Nika
21:59
Speaker 3: did say something in the reunion, Wendy paid it okay,
22:03
Speaker 3: And I'm like, when we found out she was froking Wisconsin,
22:08
Speaker 3: I'm promost talking to but yeah, it was it was
22:13
Speaker 3: very much like I have no desire to be friends
22:17
Speaker 3: with this person. And I think for that reason, I
22:20
Speaker 3: was like, I don't know if I don't want to see.
22:21
Speaker 4: Anything else from Wendy, because that just felt achy to me.
22:24
Speaker 3: Like Mekka brought it up like we could have been
22:26
Speaker 3: the first two, like Nigerian sisters.
22:29
Speaker 4: They could have taken it and Wendy was not interested
22:32
Speaker 4: in doing that. It never was.
22:34
Speaker 1: But would YouTube and somebody say your mama was a
22:36
Speaker 1: witch and practices witchcraft. I just don't listen, No shade,
22:42
Speaker 1: you talked about my mama being a witch and does
22:45
Speaker 1: the seance and all that.
22:48
Speaker 2: I don't know if I could be friends with you, though,
22:49
Speaker 2: Jazz Cluche.
22:51
Speaker 4: If you talk about mama biscuits, we might have to.
22:57
Speaker 4: You're you're right, but I do like, I don't know.
22:59
Speaker 4: I think you just watching the interaction.
23:01
Speaker 3: You know, when you get to a point and watch
23:02
Speaker 3: the reality TV for so long, you start to just
23:05
Speaker 3: we were talking about the psychology of everything. You start
23:08
Speaker 3: to just watch people like body language and their actions
23:10
Speaker 3: and like, yeah, the aftermath of what Neka did, you
23:14
Speaker 3: shouldn't fuck with her, but I do. But like I said,
23:17
Speaker 3: she's not beating the allegations that she just didn't want
23:19
Speaker 3: another Nigerian person on their period. Maybe it was personally
23:23
Speaker 3: personal about Mecca, but she's not beating those allegations.
23:26
Speaker 4: In my mind, I got your remember Wendy.
23:29
Speaker 2: Oh Lord Jesus, this is interesting. I will say this.
23:33
Speaker 1: I feel bad for Mekka, and I'm gonna tell you
23:35
Speaker 1: why to have a three part reunion and you are
23:38
Speaker 1: a housewife and you only spoke three times and listen, listen.
23:44
Speaker 2: That Neca versus.
23:45
Speaker 1: Wendy was honestly the biggest drama of the entire season.
23:50
Speaker 1: So the fact that it was reduced to a ten
23:53
Speaker 1: minute if that conversation, we had three hours of television
23:58
Speaker 1: and the biggest drama this season that was reduced to
24:01
Speaker 1: ten minutes. I felt bad for Neka because I'm like,
24:06
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about you, Sis, I know nothing
24:10
Speaker 1: about you. And I was like, because of that, I
24:18
Speaker 1: want you to come back only because I'm like, let's
24:20
Speaker 1: give you another chance.
24:22
Speaker 2: Maybe.
24:23
Speaker 1: But to your point, look, one thing I love about
24:26
Speaker 1: doctor Wendy is you never have to worry about how
24:33
Speaker 1: she's feeling about you. So when she very much threw
24:36
Speaker 1: Ashley under the bus and said, how about you explain.
24:38
Speaker 2: It because you brought it up, I did.
24:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now you know it actually goes to the Sesame school,
24:45
Speaker 1: you know, Sesame Street school.
24:46
Speaker 2: Child, I actually don't know anything but Barney and.
24:51
Speaker 1: You know how to be a TikTok influencer, Like she
24:55
Speaker 1: doesn't have the level of you know, intelligence to explain
24:59
Speaker 1: that for us.
25:00
Speaker 2: Right, So when she clocked.
25:02
Speaker 1: That, and when she pretty much told Andy about Mecca,
25:06
Speaker 1: not once, but twice, I can coexist with her if
25:11
Speaker 1: that wasn't a nanny leak's phrase. When it came to
25:15
Speaker 1: how she used to feel about the girl's honey, I
25:18
Speaker 1: said hi because need even walking.
25:21
Speaker 2: Remember in a group scene, Hi, dath.
25:27
Speaker 1: Man, she would do this what Paul and do and
25:31
Speaker 1: running across so she could say, I said hi to everybody.
25:34
Speaker 2: So when doctor Wendy said that this is no shade
25:39
Speaker 2: I lack.
25:39
Speaker 1: And I said, doctor, to your point and her body language,
25:42
Speaker 1: Doctor Wendy wants no parts of Mecca. It is rumored
25:47
Speaker 1: that Mekka has been fired. Do you think that's fair?
25:52
Speaker 3: Yes, because I'm very indifferent on Mecca, Like I don't
25:57
Speaker 3: care about her as like a housewife, not as a person.
26:01
Speaker 3: I feel like I always have to give that disclaimer
26:03
Speaker 3: because it sounds harsh, like I'm sure these people are
26:06
Speaker 3: fine in real life, but as a housewife, she did
26:09
Speaker 3: nothing for me, Like I was so disappointed in her reunion,
26:14
Speaker 3: like her performance at the reunion, because there was even
26:17
Speaker 3: a point where they show her backstage and she was saying,
26:19
Speaker 3: I gotta say something. Somebody's like, you need to you
26:21
Speaker 3: need to say more. Otherwise it looks like you're just watching, Sweetie.
26:25
Speaker 3: You were meet, We were the same, We both just
26:27
Speaker 3: sitting there spectating, watching the girls go back and forth.
26:31
Speaker 3: I've probably talked more to my television. Van Eka talked
26:35
Speaker 3: to these girls at the reunion. It was a flop
26:38
Speaker 3: of a reunion performance. And if she got fired for that,
26:41
Speaker 3: that is just the way the cookie crumbles. That was
26:44
Speaker 3: your time to really show up and you you you
26:48
Speaker 3: didn't and I have not. I'm here for entertainment. You
26:52
Speaker 3: didn't entertain me. We could move on to the next.
26:56
Speaker 4: Beautiful gowns though.
26:58
Speaker 2: Not a reason.
27:01
Speaker 4: Oh that was my girl? Okay, ree, what's my girl?
27:06
Speaker 2: Ree?
27:06
Speaker 4: What's my girl? Rest in peace to that queen?
27:08
Speaker 2: Yes, oh r I p to the queen Utie, Yes, yes,
27:12
Speaker 2: yes yes.
27:14
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Robin being fired? Smart decision
27:17
Speaker 1: or bad one?
27:18
Speaker 3: I saw it coming with the whole like putting her
27:22
Speaker 3: story about wine behind the paywall. Smarter or bad decision?
27:26
Speaker 3: Though that's hard for me, you know, I've historically called
27:29
Speaker 3: her Robin paint Jay Dixon because in the beginning I
27:34
Speaker 3: felt like she like she just didn't do it for me.
27:37
Speaker 3: But I will say though, her relationship dynamic with Wine
27:42
Speaker 3: is so interesting that like that's always gonna be like
27:46
Speaker 3: a source of entertainment. I do think though, if her
27:49
Speaker 3: and Wine are really serious about being married, it was
27:52
Speaker 3: probably a good thing for their relationship because he was
27:54
Speaker 3: so checked out.
27:56
Speaker 4: But I don't know. I don't know the juries out.
27:59
Speaker 4: The jury's out on that.
28:00
Speaker 3: Because I think if Giselle doesn't have a Robin next season,
28:05
Speaker 3: it's either going to be really really good or really
28:08
Speaker 3: really bad because they play so well off of each other.
28:12
Speaker 3: So like, is it good for Robin as Robin the individual?
28:16
Speaker 3: Probably the best thing? Is it good for the show
28:18
Speaker 3: if they're keeping Gazelle.
28:19
Speaker 4: I don't know. Jerry's out.
28:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just said I think Robin being gone is
28:25
Speaker 1: going to be a wake up call to Giselle in
28:28
Speaker 1: terms of you have to foster some relationships.
28:32
Speaker 2: I can.
28:33
Speaker 1: I can't go another season of having her and Wendy
28:36
Speaker 1: not speak to each other. I just I just can't
28:39
Speaker 1: do that.
28:40
Speaker 4: So Wendy is coming back because there was a rumor
28:43
Speaker 4: that she was not coming back.
28:44
Speaker 2: No, she's coming back.
28:46
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean Giselle, Wendy, MIA's coming back for sure,
28:52
Speaker 3: Ashley Darby Yep, those are the.
28:55
Speaker 4: Only four confirmed so far.
28:56
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, let me tell you something about I
28:59
Speaker 3: can't Baren. Karen is what they with the network. I
29:03
Speaker 3: think in the production company wants Gizelle to be like
29:07
Speaker 3: Karen is when I think of Potomac and if you're
29:11
Speaker 3: going to anchor someone on the show called The Real
29:14
Speaker 3: Housewives of Potomac.
29:16
Speaker 4: Karen has the connections, she has the intact marriage. I
29:20
Speaker 4: mean the institution. My bad.
29:22
Speaker 3: She has the institution, she has the grown children that
29:25
Speaker 3: are doing pretty well in life. Like she is what
29:29
Speaker 3: I think of when I think about Potomac, and like,
29:31
Speaker 3: I'm just so shocked at how much Gizelle has become
29:35
Speaker 3: the face of the show and not Karen but Karen, Gizzel, Mio, Wendy, Ashley.
29:40
Speaker 4: Yes, Okay, that's weird.
29:45
Speaker 2: I was gonna say to say, Oh my god, I
29:48
Speaker 2: go ahead, you.
29:51
Speaker 3: Got That's that's that's really weird to me because we
29:54
Speaker 3: know that Giselle and Ashley are locked in. They literally
29:57
Speaker 3: have a business together Wendy is on an island along.
30:03
Speaker 2: You know, they get they get along. They're not friends,
30:07
Speaker 2: they get along.
30:08
Speaker 3: And your expert Attenion go ahead. As an executive reality
30:11
Speaker 3: television producer, how do you round out this cast? You
30:15
Speaker 3: have Karen who's like the motherly, the matriarch, you have
30:18
Speaker 3: Giselle who's the bone collector, you have Ashley who's bone
30:22
Speaker 3: collector junior, and you have Wendy who is just there
30:27
Speaker 3: kind of on an island. I think, I think when
30:29
Speaker 3: these professional life is really interesting. If we're going to
30:32
Speaker 3: get to see her go to the White House at
30:34
Speaker 3: some point, let's we should we should see more of that.
30:37
Speaker 4: And then you have Mia.
30:38
Speaker 3: I think going into next season, if they add no more,
30:41
Speaker 3: like let's say they cut this four or five, Mia
30:43
Speaker 3: is the most interesting storyline going into the next season period. No.
30:48
Speaker 2: I've said this last year.
30:51
Speaker 1: I told them last year to build the show around
30:53
Speaker 1: Mia because last season, Jasmine I saw some very into
31:00
Speaker 1: resting moments in MIA's life, not this past season. Last season,
31:04
Speaker 1: the season where she threw the drink on Wendy and
31:07
Speaker 1: I once again I told Mia courtesy of the podcast
31:12
Speaker 1: how wrong she was, but it was more so about
31:16
Speaker 1: her friendship with Jacqueline and her relationship with Gordon, and
31:20
Speaker 1: that to me was like, no center the show around her.
31:23
Speaker 1: Because we love personal story. I want this show to
31:26
Speaker 1: be centered around Mia. I agree that the network and
31:31
Speaker 1: the production company probably want Gazelle to give what Karen gives,
31:35
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, Karen does give
31:39
Speaker 1: off the impression that she wants things to be cohesive,
31:42
Speaker 1: and Giselle, as beautiful as she is and as funny
31:46
Speaker 1: and witty as she is in Shady Right, was missing
31:50
Speaker 1: from the Ninnie Leeks University of Reality television is at
31:56
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you have to be somebody
31:58
Speaker 1: to rally the troops.
32:00
Speaker 2: You're the face of the show.
32:01
Speaker 1: You have to be you have to be somebody who
32:03
Speaker 1: could come in and try to do it the way
32:05
Speaker 1: Kyle Richards does it right on Beverly Hills. She gets
32:09
Speaker 1: into with the girls, but fundamentally she tries to get
32:12
Speaker 1: all the girls together. And having this cast of Ashley, Giselle, Wendy,
32:18
Speaker 1: Karen and Mia is weird is really bad. Ashley should
32:23
Speaker 1: be dropped. Ashley is a great person. I'm not judging
32:27
Speaker 1: these women as human beings. I'm judging them. What you
32:29
Speaker 1: said off of being a reality star. And I want
32:33
Speaker 1: people to understand that I'm judging you off of being
32:35
Speaker 1: a reality star, like we judge actors for their acting
32:39
Speaker 1: role now what we do at home on a Tuesday
32:42
Speaker 1: watching Steve Harvey Show, Like we're judging you based on
32:46
Speaker 1: your performance. And I don't want to see Wendy and
32:50
Speaker 1: Gazelle not speak. I think the only way this trend
32:53
Speaker 1: can move forward we have to see Wendy and Giselle
32:57
Speaker 1: have a conversation.
32:59
Speaker 2: Did it. I just don't think Giselle.
33:02
Speaker 1: Has the reach to have a real conversation with Wendy
33:06
Speaker 1: that means something. We saw her try to deal with Monique,
33:11
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking to myself, this is so fake.
33:14
Speaker 1: And the moment they have Monique and Kansas had that altercation,
33:19
Speaker 1: that was the one thing Gazelle said, Baby, that's all
33:23
Speaker 1: it took for me to go back and not messing
33:25
Speaker 1: with you.
33:25
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna drive this bus all the way over.
33:28
Speaker 4: Your ass again.
33:29
Speaker 3: The remaining Housewives, the Jury, Salona, whoever they decide to
33:34
Speaker 3: cast to round them out, the remaining five is really
33:38
Speaker 3: a testament to like what I have been feeling is
33:41
Speaker 3: that Potomac has lost the plot of like what it
33:44
Speaker 3: was originally supposed to be. I think they either go
33:48
Speaker 3: all in with women who are like Karen, closer to
33:51
Speaker 3: Karen and Giselle's age like kind of in that same
33:54
Speaker 3: like life experience, or they just go they skew around
33:59
Speaker 3: like the Ashley and the Canvases.
34:01
Speaker 4: Right.
34:01
Speaker 3: For some reason, this city in particular has not done
34:06
Speaker 3: a good job at just like meshing those two like
34:11
Speaker 3: kind of age groups together.
34:13
Speaker 4: Right.
34:13
Speaker 3: It feels like actually and Candace Nekka at her in
34:17
Speaker 3: there like they are great housewives. Well, Candace is a
34:21
Speaker 3: great housewife, but they also haven't had like a whole
34:24
Speaker 3: lot of life experience, for it's to ftill genuine when
34:27
Speaker 3: they are with like a Karen or a Gazelle, right,
34:30
Speaker 3: which is why Karen often is coming off as more
34:34
Speaker 3: like the mother to these women as opposed to just
34:37
Speaker 3: like we're all cast members.
34:39
Speaker 4: Right.
34:40
Speaker 3: Giselle comes off like the really mean big sister that
34:42
Speaker 3: everybody like, it's like my sister, my big sister is
34:45
Speaker 3: so mean.
34:46
Speaker 4: I just want her to like, let me go hang
34:47
Speaker 4: out with.
34:48
Speaker 3: You and your friends, right, Mama said you gotta take
34:50
Speaker 3: me too, right, you know what I'm saying, Like it
34:54
Speaker 3: feels like that because they just haven't found like a
34:57
Speaker 3: natural way to like blend these worlds together. And I
35:01
Speaker 3: just don't see them recovering or becoming like a really
35:05
Speaker 3: good show next season with this core five. And I
35:08
Speaker 3: don't know if it even matters who they used to
35:10
Speaker 3: round it out. There's something about this cast that just
35:13
Speaker 3: isn't connecting, Like there's something about them and there. I say,
35:18
Speaker 3: let them do a season without Giselle and see if
35:21
Speaker 3: things change.
35:22
Speaker 4: Maybe Giselle is.
35:23
Speaker 1: The reason no, And I think that's a fair question
35:27
Speaker 1: to ask. Is Giselle holding the show back? I think
35:30
Speaker 1: that's a fair question to ask. I will say this
35:34
Speaker 1: without her having her sidekick with her, it's going to
35:40
Speaker 1: be a big test to see what I saw.
35:43
Speaker 2: In this three part reunion is what you saw too.
35:46
Speaker 1: And she could care less about these girls, you know.
35:51
Speaker 1: I think when it comes to Karen is a history there,
35:53
Speaker 1: and they listen.
35:55
Speaker 2: They're both in on the joke.
35:56
Speaker 1: Like the audience likes us our playful nature, so we'll
36:00
Speaker 1: give you that. But I think what's missing is the
36:05
Speaker 1: depthness of their friendship. And that's what's missing we saw
36:10
Speaker 1: with Nini and Cynthia, right Niini and Portia Nini and Kenya,
36:17
Speaker 1: you know. And I hate keep bringing up you know, Atlanta,
36:20
Speaker 1: but I'm only bringing it up to say, it's what
36:23
Speaker 1: you said. Has Potomac lost the plot? Is Giselle holding
36:28
Speaker 1: the show back? And I think those are fair questions
36:31
Speaker 1: to ask, So rain Drops let me and Jasmine know
36:36
Speaker 1: y'all can read her, Honey, you can, you can't.
36:41
Speaker 4: You can't read me because I'm in such a confused place.
36:44
Speaker 4: I want to say that, right, like some of some
36:46
Speaker 4: of the.
36:46
Speaker 3: Things I've said have like contradicted like my feelings in
36:50
Speaker 3: the past. But it's because I am just as confused
36:54
Speaker 3: as I feel like the network and production are with
36:56
Speaker 3: where to go with this show. Like I'm confused as
36:58
Speaker 3: a dealer. So I'm like, I don't know how to
37:00
Speaker 3: feel now. I'm not excited about the next season. I
37:03
Speaker 3: stop watching this season, I stop watching last season. Right,
37:06
Speaker 3: It's like they always get me, like I will come
37:09
Speaker 3: back for the first first couple of episodes and there's
37:12
Speaker 3: somewhere where I'm.
37:13
Speaker 4: Just like, I don't like this, and that is that
37:16
Speaker 4: is how it's remained for me for like the last
37:18
Speaker 4: two or three seasons.
37:19
Speaker 3: I get to a point, and I'm like, I actually
37:21
Speaker 3: don't like what I'm seeing on TV is not entertaining
37:25
Speaker 3: to me anymore. It's maddening at some point, like it's
37:29
Speaker 3: triggering for some people, right Like it's just not a
37:32
Speaker 3: good entertaining show. Like I'm watching Summerhouse my Visvinyard right now,
37:36
Speaker 3: like they have petty drama too.
37:39
Speaker 4: But something about it.
37:39
Speaker 3: I'm just like it doesn't feel so deep, Like it
37:42
Speaker 3: doesn't feel so deep that like at the end of
37:44
Speaker 3: this they will never speak to each other again, and
37:47
Speaker 3: it's on site when I see each other, like I
37:49
Speaker 3: feel like with Potomacs, like there are relationships there that
37:51
Speaker 3: can never ever be repaired, like you see them, and
37:54
Speaker 3: it's two ships passing in the night, right Like, it
37:57
Speaker 3: just feels not it doesn't feel good.
38:00
Speaker 4: It's not feel good TV. I don't like it. I'm
38:02
Speaker 4: not I don't know.
38:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think what you brought up with Summer
38:05
Speaker 1: House Martha's being here is true because even when you
38:08
Speaker 1: see like Preston and Bria have a moment or Jasmine
38:12
Speaker 1: and the girls on that show, it's lighthearted. And even
38:17
Speaker 1: the whole thing with Nick and is he is he weird?
38:20
Speaker 1: Is he a creep is he touching. It's like real
38:23
Speaker 1: healthy conversations, but they're able to move past it because
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Speaker 1: it's not that deep. And I think, listen, I think
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Speaker 1: some of those girls in Potomac are too busy trying.
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Speaker 2: To make TV instead of just be themselves.
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Speaker 1: But if the girls, honey, want to support you anything
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Speaker 1: you're doing or follow you on social media, let them
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Speaker 1: know how and where.
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Speaker 3: There's two ways you can supppart me that would be
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Speaker 3: huge and mean so much. One, I am developing a
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Speaker 3: series me and my Emmy winning friends Antenna. We're developing
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Speaker 3: a show called Camp Inner Child, and it is all
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Speaker 3: about a group of burned out thirty somethings, your old women.
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Speaker 3: We're gonna send them a camp for a week. See
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Speaker 3: they can reconnect with their inner child. We're doing some
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Speaker 3: focus groups, so if you want to be a part
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Speaker 3: of the focus group, go to Campinnerchild dot com and
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Speaker 3: then you can like sign up for the email list.
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Speaker 3: We'll send out emails when we're going to do the
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Speaker 3: focus groups. And it's amazing. The second thing is a
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Speaker 3: personal project. It's a book that I wrote. I'm all
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Speaker 3: like it needs to be edited, but it's gonna come
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Speaker 3: out at some point this year. It's called This Box
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Speaker 3: is Too Small, and it's all about the multi hyphened journey.
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Speaker 3: Matter of fact, I'm gonna send Wendy, I'm gonna send
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Speaker 3: you a book because it's all about people who just
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Speaker 3: have multiple passions. And it's called this Box is Too Small.
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Speaker 3: So if you really want to cop the book when
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Speaker 3: it comes out, you want to just join the community
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Speaker 3: of multipiping its, go to this Box is Too Small
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Speaker 3: dot com and then you can also find up for
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Speaker 3: the email list there.
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Speaker 4: And those are my two things.
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Speaker 3: And I'm on all socialists ja Henley Brown, but I'm
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Speaker 3: private on the socials right now because that's just where
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Speaker 3: I am with my life right now.
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