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CULT MOM LORI VALLOW: New Netflix Cult Mom Hit, Will Jurors Watch? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece Cult Mom Laurie Valoe. Will
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Speaker 1: she ever go away? Sadly, the answer is no. We're
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Speaker 1: stuck with her, whether she's convicted or she's acquitted. God
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Speaker 1: help us all, She's never going away. In the last hours,
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Speaker 1: the bombshell claim that the murders of two of her children,
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Speaker 1: JJ entirely could have been avoided. This as a Netflix
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Speaker 1: movie documentary swirls. Will that documentary on Netflix make it
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Speaker 1: impossible to strike a fair and impartial jury? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I see, Grace, This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and serious M
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Speaker 1: one eleven before we get too carried away on Laurie
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Speaker 1: Valo aka cult Mom, and yes I named her that.
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Speaker 1: Let's just don't forget that seven year old j J.
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Speaker 1: Valo was murdered, wrapped up, her medically sealed with tape
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Speaker 1: and plastic, and buried and her I guess was that
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Speaker 1: her fourth husband, Jackie the fourth husband's basically his backyard,
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Speaker 1: and her daughter, sixteen year old Tyley, was murdered, dismembered,
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Speaker 1: rendered down to practically nothing as if she had never existed,
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Speaker 1: and also buried in Chad Dayville's backyard. Let's just keep
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Speaker 1: that in mind as we talk about Mommy cult Mom,
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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo again, thank you for me with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation in series XM one eleven. Could the
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Speaker 1: martyrs of these two children have been avoided? I say yes.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. JJ and his sister Tyley
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Speaker 1: disappeared in September twenty nineteen after their mother, Laurie Valo
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Speaker 1: day Bell, moved them from Arizona to Idaho. The move
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Speaker 1: came after Chandler police say Laurie's brother shot and killed
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Speaker 1: her then husband, Charles Valo, who is JJ's adoptive father,
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Speaker 1: in July twenty nineteen, and months before all of that,
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Speaker 1: emails show that Charles shared concerns about Laurie's darkening religious
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Speaker 1: beliefs with JJ's school leaders, noting he had to file
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Speaker 1: an order of protection against his wife. In February twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 1: the school told police they reported to child Services to
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Speaker 1: quote ensure we were doing our due diligence and protecting JJ.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand, guys, you're hearing our friends at twelve
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Speaker 1: News joining me right now an incredible panel to make
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Speaker 1: sense of what we know right now. But for us
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Speaker 1: to the news director of the East Idaho News dot com,
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Speaker 1: Nate Eaten. You can also find him on Facebook at
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Speaker 1: Nate Eating Reporter. Nate, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand this. Charles Valo, who is JJ's adoptive dad,
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Speaker 1: in July twenty nineteen, I've got to get my months straight.
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Speaker 1: He shared concerns with JJ's school about cult mom Laurie Valo.
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Speaker 1: The school knew there was a problem, right grant, and
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Speaker 1: what if anything did the school do well? The school
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Speaker 1: was kind of tied because Laurie was going to the
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Speaker 1: school saying everything's fine, Okay, well wait wait, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: my head is spinning around three hundred and sixty degrees.
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Speaker 1: The school was tied. The school is supposed to be
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Speaker 1: tied to the law, which says if you have reason
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Speaker 1: to suspect a child is being neglected or abused, you,
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Speaker 1: the teacher, the principal are to report it to the state.
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Speaker 1: You could explain to me, Nate Eaten, how the school was,
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Speaker 1: in your words, tied. Well, the issue was that Laurie
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Speaker 1: and Charles at this time are going through this. As
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Speaker 1: you mentioned, Charles was raising all sorts of concerns about
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Speaker 1: Laurie's mental health and the claims that she said she
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Speaker 1: was a goddess, that Jesus was returning, she was going
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Speaker 1: to usher him in. Please try not to drag Christ
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Speaker 1: into this. Okay, That's the last thing I need is
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Speaker 1: him mad at me. I want to get back to
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Speaker 1: why they didn't report it prompted or did they? I
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Speaker 1: don't know why they didn't report it. They did not
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Speaker 1: report it yet. David Leroy, high profile lawyer joining me
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Speaker 1: out of Boise, former Idaho attorney general, former lieutenant governor,
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Speaker 1: former prosecutor. You can find him at deep leroy dot com.
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Speaker 1: David Leroy that I know you're just the messenger Nate Eate,
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Speaker 1: but that is a bucket full of seeming hot bs.
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Speaker 1: They had a rate. Sorry, Nancy, that's not correct, and
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Speaker 1: Nate has given you the right answer. The kinds of
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Speaker 1: things that they were reported to the school simply doesn't
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Speaker 1: meet the standard kinds of profiles and tests for negligence
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Speaker 1: or abuse in that jurisdiction. Explain, Explain, Explain Why are
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Speaker 1: you saying that because a lot of moms are weird,
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Speaker 1: different and odd, the religious beliefs get confused and problematic
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Speaker 1: for CPS people to deal with without some kind of
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Speaker 1: physical or failure to thrive indication on these children, there
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Speaker 1: was no negligence or abuse for CPS to react to. Okay,
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Speaker 1: did you say a lot of moms are weird? Odd?
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Speaker 1: And what was the other thing? Unusual? Okay, I play
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Speaker 1: guilty because I'm sure the people at the twin school
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Speaker 1: think that about me. But I guarante Dante you one thing,
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Speaker 1: David Leroy, When a parent calls the school and says,
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Speaker 1: I'm worried about my children's safety. My wife is behaving bizarrely,
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Speaker 1: and they do nothing, I think a jury might disagree
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Speaker 1: with you. Maybe you've been a politician for way too long,
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Speaker 1: because now the children are dead. I think you're assumming
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Speaker 1: faction on an evidence. You don't know what the parents
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Speaker 1: said about the other parent a the worst parent, but
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Speaker 1: obviously he was legitimately concerned. But again, the school is
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Speaker 1: looking for something that it can actually spell out to
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Speaker 1: CPS is negligence or abuse. Did you just say arguing
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Speaker 1: facts not in evidence, because that is an objection you
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Speaker 1: make in a court of law. Look around, you're not
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Speaker 1: in a court of laws. Okay, we're talking about what
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Speaker 1: really happened. Without a judge saying no, let's hearsay. That
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Speaker 1: doesn't qualify. Nate Aton, do you have any idea what
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Speaker 1: the complaint was that the dad lodged with the school?
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Speaker 1: What did he say was happening at home? Because maybe
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Speaker 1: if they had listened in contact the CPS, CHOP Protective
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Speaker 1: Services as I believe they should have, the children could
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Speaker 1: be alive today. But they're not. They're dead and dismembered.
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know the specifics, but what I
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Speaker 1: do know is that after Charles was shot, Laurie, whoa
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Speaker 1: after cult mom, shoots Charles Valo, who made the complaint
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Speaker 1: to the school. Okay, let me just let that sink
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Speaker 1: in for a moment, because you've got David Leroy out
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Speaker 1: of boys. He claiming, Yeah, we don't know there's anything
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Speaker 1: wrong with her. She shot him dead, then she to
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Speaker 1: kill the children. Okay, what, Nate Eton, Well, her brother
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Speaker 1: shoots him, but Laurie was there and she told Maurie
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Speaker 1: told several people, according to witness statement and different stories
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Speaker 1: about how Charles died. She told people at JJ's school
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Speaker 1: that he died of a heart attack. She told other
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Speaker 1: people that he died of suicide. She didn't have a
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Speaker 1: straight story when in reality it was her brother who
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Speaker 1: shot and killed him with JJ Ballow in the house,
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Speaker 1: according to the court documents. And then she took JJ.
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Speaker 1: You might recall she took him to school the day
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Speaker 1: that his dad was shot and killed. But on the
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Speaker 1: way they stopped at Burger King. They stopped at Walgreens
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Speaker 1: for her to get a pair of flip flops. She
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Speaker 1: then returned to the house where her husband. Yeah, because
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Speaker 1: her she's were covered in blood. Probably you gotta go
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Speaker 1: get some flips. So, David Leroy, you're still standing by
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Speaker 1: no mistreatment of the children there at the crime the murder, saying,
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Speaker 1: and then she takes him to school. I am the
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Speaker 1: most eager CPS group in the world and the most
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Speaker 1: diligent principle at the school. Have to have something specific
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Speaker 1: that qualifies as negligence or abuse reflected in the physical
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Speaker 1: wellbeing or the mental wellbeing of those children, or there's
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Speaker 1: nothing upon which to proceed. David Leroy, you do know
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Speaker 1: that at the time Valoe contacted the Skill to say,
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Speaker 1: who's worried about the children's welfare? That cult mom had
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Speaker 1: already threatened to murder him. Sure, I have a problem
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Speaker 1: with that, leaving the children in the home when mommy's
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Speaker 1: threatening murder. But you know what, that's just me. Let's
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Speaker 1: take a listen again to eric is Stapleton twelve News.
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Speaker 1: Other emails from the FBI in December twenty nineteen indicate
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Speaker 1: DCS had another report about the family. DCS confirms that
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Speaker 1: received two communications about the Value family in twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 1: but claims that neither resulted in an investigation because there
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Speaker 1: was no showing of abuse or neglect. An attorney for
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Speaker 1: DCS and a spokesperson declined to tell the IT team
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Speaker 1: how the agency came to these conclusions. Time Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. It sounds very much like the murders JJ
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Speaker 1: entirely could have been entirely avoided if the school and
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Speaker 1: Child Protective Services had acted when they should have. And
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Speaker 1: notice at the end of what twelve News is saying,
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Speaker 1: DCS refused to explain to the investigative team how the
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Speaker 1: agency came to the conclusion that the children were not
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Speaker 1: in danger. Nate Eton, joining me, news director East Idaho
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Speaker 1: News dot com, could you explain why this it's not
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Speaker 1: the headline on every newspaper in that jurisdiction I think
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Speaker 1: back in the time when this story broke, it was examined,
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Speaker 1: but Nancy examined, examined, think about all of the other
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Speaker 1: Looking back now, Charles Awas went to the police. We
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Speaker 1: have the body camera where he's raising these alerts saying
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Speaker 1: my wife needs to be taken into custody, she needs
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Speaker 1: a mental health exam. She was taken into custody for
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Speaker 1: a day, They questioned her, and they released her saying
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Speaker 1: that she was fine psychologically. They're looking back now, there
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Speaker 1: were several missteps that probably could have prevented all of you. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're right, You're absolutely right about that. But what I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about is not in the bodycam footage. I'm talking
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Speaker 1: about the school because it's their duty to act if
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Speaker 1: they think there's a danger to the child, the school, CPS,
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Speaker 1: Child Protective Services, That's what I'm talking about. Doctor Angie Arnold.
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Speaker 1: Can you please help me out here, doctor Arnold or
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Speaker 1: announced psychiatrists out the Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela Arnold MD
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Speaker 1: dot com. I mean, how many times do we have
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Speaker 1: to keep going over CPS not acting or school not
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Speaker 1: acting and then the child ends up dead? But Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that sure is putting a lot on the school if
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Speaker 1: they don't have any evidence of anything. They got two complaints,
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Speaker 1: doctor Angie, two complaints. Shouldn't they at least call INCBS
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Speaker 1: to invest gate and the least well, yeah, maybe they
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Speaker 1: should have, guys, I said at the beginning, keep in
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Speaker 1: mind children have been murdered and dismembered. Joe Scott do
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Speaker 1: you remember Joe Scott Morgan with me, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University, author Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon started
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Speaker 1: to hit series body backs that just Scott Morgan getfin'd
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Speaker 1: throw on iHeart and beyond just Scott? How many times
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Speaker 1: are we going to talk about this? CPS doesn't act here,
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Speaker 1: they weren't even called in by the school, and the
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Speaker 1: children are dead, same song, second verse, Nancy for years
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Speaker 1: and years and years. And the thing about it is,
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Speaker 1: you know, even during my time to the corner in
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Speaker 1: New Orleans and with them in Atlanta, we would see
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Speaker 1: this repeated over and over and over again. And it's
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Speaker 1: not just isolated to this particular jurisdiction, it's nationwide. I mean,
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Speaker 1: we can't remove the children from the home and save
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Speaker 1: their lives if the school and CPS sits on their
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Speaker 1: thumb and does absolutely nothing. And then when they're asked, Hey,
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Speaker 1: why did you decide not to follow up? And they
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Speaker 1: refuse to answer. I think that's very, very telling. I
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Speaker 1: know that David Leroy and apparently doctor Angela Arnold disagree
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Speaker 1: with me. Not only do we have the bombshell claim
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Speaker 1: that the murderers of JJ and Tyler could have been
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Speaker 1: absolutely been avoided. We're learning that now. But is the
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Speaker 1: jury in jeopardy a jury trial for cult mom and
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Speaker 1: her fourth husband, the prophet as he calls himself Chad
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Speaker 1: day Bell because of a Netflix documentary. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to this. The three part documentary shows Laurie Dave Bell
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Speaker 1: as a beauty pageant can test It, talking about her
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Speaker 1: life as a wife and mom. I have a one,
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Speaker 1: heful husband, Joseph at home, who is watching our two
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Speaker 1: beautiful children, Colby, who seven and Tylie who is one.
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Speaker 1: Just weeks before the beauty pageant, she was a contestant
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Speaker 1: on Wheel of Fortune. Okay, go first, doc Isaac and
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Speaker 1: Captain Stoey. A Netflix documentary is hitting the airways prior
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Speaker 1: to the jury selection. Nate, What's the Name of It?
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Speaker 1: With our mother? Oh boy? Well, it couldn't be a
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Speaker 1: better title. Guys, Let's take a listen now to part
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Speaker 1: of that Netflix documentary. Listen, how are you lover? I'm
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Speaker 1: not good? Mom? Are you sorry for me? Are you
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Speaker 1: sorry for my siblings? I would have never thought you
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Speaker 1: would have ever done something? Mister Semon, bring me. We
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Speaker 1: did have a wonderful family before this happened. Hello, my
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Speaker 1: mom has spent her whole life protecting us kids growth. Why. Honestly,
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Speaker 1: Laurie and Charles looked like they had the ideal marriage,
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Speaker 1: but her beliefs had become a lot more extreme after
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Speaker 1: she met Chad day Belle she changed. Guys, you were
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Speaker 1: hearing a snippet of the widely anticipated Netflix documentary Since
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Speaker 1: of the Mother. I want to I want you to
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Speaker 1: hear one more, A little bit of information, more information
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Speaker 1: on this take those of our friends in our cut
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Speaker 1: one nineteen from Katie VB. Could this documentary impact jury
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Speaker 1: selection in this case? Well, ironically, jury selection was moved
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Speaker 1: from eastern Idaho to Ada County to minimize the exposure
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Speaker 1: and press and a kind of publicity that had attended
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Speaker 1: the case. Dave Leroy is the former Idaho Attorney General,
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Speaker 1: former lieutenant governor and a defense lawyer. He says, any
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Speaker 1: kind of publicity has the potential to influence a person's
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Speaker 1: judgment in terms of making a decision about a case,
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Speaker 1: should they be selected as a journey and with us
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Speaker 1: right now? David Leroy, attorney, a law in Boise for
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Speaker 1: Attorney General. David Leroy explain, Well, Aida County is in
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Speaker 1: a different local media market. Not everyone here has Netflix.
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Speaker 1: Not everyone who has will watch this show. Laurie has
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Speaker 1: been out of the news for much more than in
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Speaker 1: the news for the last year. And over here, some
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Speaker 1: three hundred eighteen miles on the interstate from where the
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Speaker 1: crime took place, no one's riven by the burial scene.
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Speaker 1: So I believe that Ada County, Idaho, can present a
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Speaker 1: fair an objective trial with a jury that's relatively uninfluenced
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Speaker 1: and unknowing about the case. And the judge seems to
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Speaker 1: have pretty good command of his courtroom. So I think,
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Speaker 1: just as we did in a stunning international murderer hundred
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Speaker 1: years ago, eight Accounty will do just fine in conducting
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Speaker 1: a fair trial here. Isn't it true, David Leroy that
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Speaker 1: the standard the judge will put to the jury is
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Speaker 1: not do you have Netflix or have you seen the documentary?
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Speaker 1: But are you able to render a fair and impartial
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Speaker 1: jury even if you have seen news coverage? Absolutely, and
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Speaker 1: remember the process of getting to that point with any
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Speaker 1: individual juror will include, first of all, a panel of
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Speaker 1: maybe two hundred people being called to seek a jury
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Speaker 1: of twelve and a couple of alternates. They will have
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Speaker 1: written confidential juror questionnaires that can include publicity related questions
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Speaker 1: stipulated by the parties who are okayed by the judge.
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Speaker 1: And finally, then, of course, ourvoir dear subjects every prospective
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Speaker 1: juror two questions by the prosecution and by the defense,
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Speaker 1: overseen by the judge as to their qualifications and whether
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Speaker 1: they've formed any opinion about the guilt or innocence of
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Speaker 1: these parties that could not be set aside to decide
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Speaker 1: the case solely on the evidence heard in the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: I expect that we'll find that conclusion with quite a
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Speaker 1: few of these jurors. Join me right now, Rason Orange,
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Speaker 1: high profile trial consultant joining us from Wittech dot com
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Speaker 1: in La Rasan. Thank you for being with us. How
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Speaker 1: will the documentary affect jury selection and what would you
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Speaker 1: be looking for if you represented Lorie Valoc cult Mom.
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Speaker 1: My goodness, I mean in these day and age of
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Speaker 1: social media, you know that kind of I feel like
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Speaker 1: the cat is out of the bag. Even if you're
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Speaker 1: not watching local, local and news coverage. It's these kinds
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Speaker 1: of you know, scintillating news story have a way of
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Speaker 1: traveling like wildfire on social media. And I think that,
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how many you know, internationally
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Speaker 1: covered news stories are coming out of Idaho, but I
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Speaker 1: would have to think that even someone who's not on
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Speaker 1: social media would be hearing something about this, you know,
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Speaker 1: through the grapevine. That's really good point or so on,
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Speaker 1: because as David Leroy pointed out, let's figure this out.
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Speaker 1: How many people have Netflix in Ada, how many people
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Speaker 1: that have it watch it? How many people that have
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Speaker 1: it will and watch it? Are going to watch this documentary?
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Speaker 1: Is a very good question. But you pointed out the
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Speaker 1: power of social media. How clips from that will spread
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Speaker 1: like wildfire? Yeah, so how would you handle it? What
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Speaker 1: would you do about the documentary if you're representing gult Mom.
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Speaker 1: I mean normally, like mister Leroy was saying, you would
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Speaker 1: you know, through through the jury questionnaire and Vadier. You
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Speaker 1: would do your very best to try to find people
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Speaker 1: who have not seen this documentary, have not even heard
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Speaker 1: about the case. But seeing as how it's a very
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Speaker 1: high profile case, you're going to have to maybe you're
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Speaker 1: going to have to maybe get into Okay, Normally you
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Speaker 1: would want to find someone who's more highly educated if
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Speaker 1: you think that you have any kinds of the facts
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Speaker 1: on your side and any kind of compelling evidence that
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Speaker 1: might equit equit your client, which in this case, the
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Speaker 1: more you look at it, the worse it looks. I
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Speaker 1: just feel like they're starting from almost checkmate right off
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Speaker 1: the bat well. I don't know, Rassan Orange. I've tried
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Speaker 1: a lot of jury trials. I don't know what education
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Speaker 1: has to do, whether you've got a PhD or a
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Speaker 1: high school degree and telling right from wrong and what
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Speaker 1: the facts are. Oh yes, if there are facts. If
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Speaker 1: let's say, if for some strange reason, there's there's explanations
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Speaker 1: for all of this stuff, an explanation for the dismemberment
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Speaker 1: of the body. Okay, let's just say in a universe
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Speaker 1: where these people are actually innocent, and there are these
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Speaker 1: and there are some explanations for how how this happened,
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Speaker 1: and you actually have scientific evidence on your side. Even
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Speaker 1: in that situation, it would be very challenging to cut
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Speaker 1: through the emotional u the emotionally charged situation of a
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Speaker 1: child murder. Okay, hold on, Joseph's guy Morgan, could you
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Speaker 1: just give everybody a little reality on what happened to
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Speaker 1: JJ and Tyler? You know what, Let's just go with Tyl. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Tylie and just her alone was actually found, dismembered and
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Speaker 1: significantly burned. Her remains were immediately adjacent to an area
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Speaker 1: where the carcasses of dead animals had been buried previously.
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Speaker 1: And what really makes it even more kind of sinister
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Speaker 1: is the area where she was burned, Nancy was an
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Speaker 1: area that appeared to have the appearance of a fire
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Speaker 1: pit with chairs around it, you know, like seats that
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Speaker 1: they had created an area where people would gather and
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Speaker 1: maybe previously roasted marshmallows and sang songs and all of
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Speaker 1: this stuff. And this poor baby's body is buried out
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Speaker 1: there in a shallow grave with you know, with a
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Speaker 1: plastic bucket that was, in my opinion, was used to
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Speaker 1: catch the renderings that well, renderings are the tissues remnants
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Speaker 1: of tissues, and that's where things as they're gathering up
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Speaker 1: her remains and they're trying to get rid of as
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Speaker 1: much evidence as they possibly could. And I gotta tell
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Speaker 1: you they failed miserably in this case. And what it
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Speaker 1: demonstrates is, you know, I often say, you know, the
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Speaker 1: house of the basement and the house of depravity has
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Speaker 1: no bottom to it. And in this case, it's so
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Speaker 1: shocked everybody. I think just Tily alone is so horrendous.
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Speaker 1: In this particular case, it's going to be very, very
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Speaker 1: difficult to escape what they did to her. So Rassan
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Speaker 1: Orange was right about that. Guys. Not only do you
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Speaker 1: have the bombshell claim that the murders of these two
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Speaker 1: children could have entirely been avoided, we've got this Netflix
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Speaker 1: documentary coming out that threatens to taint the entire jury pool.
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Speaker 1: But what are you gonna do? Tell everybody in Aida
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Speaker 1: not to watch Netflix for the next six months until
23:52
Speaker 1: they finally get this thing on the trial schedule. Take
23:54
Speaker 1: a listen to more of the documentary Who the Hell Is?
23:58
Speaker 1: Chaddiebo We can prepare ourselves to survive through these trials.
24:04
Speaker 1: Chad Babel believes there will be an apocalypse, the people
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Speaker 1: that are righteous survive, and that he can distinguish evil
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Speaker 1: spirits from good spirits. I have fought this war for millenia.
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Speaker 1: Two detectives come and knock on the door. Is Tylie
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Speaker 1: or JJ here? I was like Tyleie, my sister. I
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Speaker 1: call my mom and her phone's dead. Charles wrote, she
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Speaker 1: calls her own daughter a dark spirit. My throat fell
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Speaker 1: in my stomach. If you are very dark, your spirit
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Speaker 1: has left your body. Your zombie now, and the only
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Speaker 1: way to free your spirit is to kill the body.
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Speaker 1: I had this feeling in my spirit. So what's going
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Speaker 1: on tonight? I can't get entirely. It's not a kid.
24:45
Speaker 1: Something felt wrong. This case quickly became a national story.
24:51
Speaker 1: You're hearing the Netflix documentary Sense of the Mother. Not
24:54
Speaker 1: only do we have all that swirling, but we also
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Speaker 1: have call it mom, Laurie Valo waltzing into the courtroom
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Speaker 1: like she's in Miss Junior. Miss Now wait a second,
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Speaker 1: Nate eight, Was she in a beauty contest? Wasn't she
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Speaker 1: in a beauty contest? She was, Yeah, several years ago.
25:12
Speaker 1: She was in a few, actually, and there was one
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Speaker 1: that was videotaped and we've seen the footage. That's where
25:16
Speaker 1: she tells the judges that she's a ticking time bomb.
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Speaker 1: Did she win? I don't believe she wanted. Wait, did
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Speaker 1: that include a swimsuit competition? Because I think that's what
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Speaker 1: I saw it did. Yeah, she was in a swimming suit. Okay,
25:28
Speaker 1: all right, it's all starting to fit together now. So
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friend
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Speaker 1: Jim Moray at Inside Edition. It's Doomsday Mom. Laurie day
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Speaker 1: Bell smirking and smiling as a judge determined she is
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Speaker 1: finally mentally fit to stand trial for the murders of
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Speaker 1: her two children. Her latest court appearance comes as Netflix
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Speaker 1: releases a promo for a new documentary about the sensational case.
25:58
Speaker 1: In the documentary, Sins of Our Mother, day Belle's son
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Speaker 1: Colby can be seen calling his imprisoned mother, I'm not
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Speaker 1: good time. Stories with Nancy Grace to you, Nate Eaton
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Speaker 1: joining us from East Idaho News dot Com. And her
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Speaker 1: last visit in court, she walked in like a beauty queen.
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Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that at all. Those are not beauty contests,
26:39
Speaker 1: those are scholarship events. But we also hear she quote
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Speaker 1: and I'm reading from a headline, put on a smiley
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Speaker 1: show during court hearing while her charges on killing her
26:53
Speaker 1: children are being discussed. Please help me. Yeah, this is
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Speaker 1: kind of unusual compared to other court hearing for Laurie Davell,
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Speaker 1: because in the past she's been very serious. She hasn't
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Speaker 1: shown much emotion at times, she's been in a mask.
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Speaker 1: This hearing, she was smiling. She actually saw me sitting
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Speaker 1: in the courtroom and turned around and smiled right at me,
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Speaker 1: which kind of caught me off guard. She looked over
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Speaker 1: at our cameras which were situated in the jury box,
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Speaker 1: and smiled at the camera. When they discussed that this
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Speaker 1: is a death penalty case and read her charges, she
27:25
Speaker 1: kind of rolled her eyes. And then after the hearing, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: we went outside to the back of the courtroom where
27:32
Speaker 1: they bring the defendants out and normally they pull a
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Speaker 1: car right up to the door and put them right
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Speaker 1: in the car. Well, this was a little bit of
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Speaker 1: a walk from the door to the vehicle and she
27:42
Speaker 1: came out smiling again. They put her in the car.
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Speaker 1: She turned to the cameras and were smiling again. We asked,
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Speaker 1: do you still love Chad, do you miss your children.
27:51
Speaker 1: She didn't respond to our questions. And it was interesting
27:55
Speaker 1: that just days after this hearing, her attorneys filed to
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Speaker 1: have cameras fan for the courtroom. A whole nother canarm
28:02
Speaker 1: is about trying to keep cameras out of the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: But I want to talk about her appearance in court. First.
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Speaker 1: I want to go to doctor Angela Arnold. We know
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Speaker 1: that in one of her last court appearances, she spent
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Speaker 1: days ahead of time making lipstick, lip gloss out of
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Speaker 1: jolly ranchers. And what was the other thing they eaten?
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Speaker 1: A colored pencil and what is it mixed with vasalin
28:25
Speaker 1: or what? I don't know if they just mix it
28:27
Speaker 1: with saliva or what if you get a Cholly rancher
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Speaker 1: wet and put it on your lips, it changes colors. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's my fault because I asked you and you had
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Speaker 1: to answer saliva. Okay, that said got that image up here?
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Speaker 1: Can't I hear that? Doctor Angela Arnold? Do you think
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Speaker 1: this woman is insane? Because when you listen to her
28:47
Speaker 1: crazy beliefs, which I would like to point out the
28:50
Speaker 1: Mormon Church has said, we don't know what she's talking about.
28:54
Speaker 1: This is not part of our religion. She's actually trying
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Speaker 1: to drag Christ into the whole thing. They sound zany,
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Speaker 1: but yeah, we know that she carefully planned this. She
29:08
Speaker 1: ordered her quote beach wedding dress that was her Amazon search,
29:13
Speaker 1: and she ordered her wedding dress and her wedding ring
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Speaker 1: and her grooms outfit for their beach wedding in Hawaii
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Speaker 1: just before Chad day Bell's wife died in her sleep
29:29
Speaker 1: of natural causes. So either she's clairvoyant or she's a
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Speaker 1: cold blooded killer. Well, I you know, Nancy, she is
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Speaker 1: a cold blooded killer. Okay, But I think the question
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Speaker 1: is how did she get pulled into this delusion? Was
29:44
Speaker 1: Chad day bella wait? Wait, wait, you're really actually blaming
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Speaker 1: somebody else for her participation in her children's murder? And
29:53
Speaker 1: how many husbands are dead? I don't know? Three? Right?
29:56
Speaker 1: We've got Charles Valo, Dad, Joseph Ryan dead under unusual circumstances.
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Speaker 1: Is there another dead husband, Nate Eaton? No, But she
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Speaker 1: has two previous husbands before that, So Chad's for five? Okay, gotcha?
30:07
Speaker 1: So only two dead husbands? I don't try to tell
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Speaker 1: my husband that when we're discussing our program today. Only
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Speaker 1: two dead husbands. Okay, back to you, doctor angel Arnold,
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Speaker 1: jump in. You know, Nancy, I've been you know, we've
30:22
Speaker 1: been doing the story for a long time and I've
30:24
Speaker 1: been giving it a lot of thought. And we never
30:27
Speaker 1: talk about Chad day Belt. We really don't talk about
30:30
Speaker 1: him very much. And I'm not talking about him right now.
30:32
Speaker 1: I'm asking you about lip gloss for Pete's sake, and
30:34
Speaker 1: is she insane or not? Because if you can make
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Speaker 1: homemade lip gloss and think to put it on before
30:40
Speaker 1: you go into the courtroom and fix your hair and
30:44
Speaker 1: I notice she's got a new hairstyle now, and paint
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Speaker 1: your toe nails and your fingernails and wave and smile
30:51
Speaker 1: to the camera, that doesn't scream insanity to me at me.
30:54
Speaker 1: I've got to tell you, Nancy, there is nothing more
30:56
Speaker 1: that I would love to do than interview her myself. Again,
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Speaker 1: not what I ask you. Have you ever heard the
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Speaker 1: term unresponsive, doctor Angela Arnold, No offense, but could you
31:06
Speaker 1: just answer about the question about me? Yeah, I am talking.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about you, Nancy. You know what, Nancy, I
31:14
Speaker 1: want to tell you. I know it. I know that
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Speaker 1: by her actions it doesn't look like she's crazy. Oh lord,
31:19
Speaker 1: I hear a butt coming. But I knew it. I
31:22
Speaker 1: knew it. Okay, but what but Nancy, her behavior is
31:27
Speaker 1: so odd and equal. I mean, you know what, Thank you,
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Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold. Let me go to a trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: David Leroy. He's not just a trial lawyer, he's a
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Speaker 1: former Idaho Attorney General and lieutenant governor. David, take off
31:46
Speaker 1: your defense hat for just one moment. Okay, I know that,
31:50
Speaker 1: you know what. Never mind, that's a crazy ask that
31:52
Speaker 1: ain't gonna happen. What would you do with a client
31:56
Speaker 1: that thought to put on lip gloss, fix her hair,
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Speaker 1: painter nails, create lip gloss to start with, painter nails,
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Speaker 1: wave and smile at the camera and more importantly, But
32:12
Speaker 1: that's all superficial, David Lee Roy to lie to police
32:17
Speaker 1: when they come to your door and ask you where
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Speaker 1: your children are, and the minute they turn the car,
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Speaker 1: you pack up all your stuff and you leave the
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Speaker 1: Continental US and go to Hawaii and hide and continue
32:30
Speaker 1: telling them, oh, they're here, they're visiting here, they're visiting there,
32:35
Speaker 1: that's why they're not at homes. Finally, go back out there.
32:38
Speaker 1: She's cleared out, she's gone that is not insanity. Well,
32:42
Speaker 1: remember Idaho has eliminated the insanity defense from criminal cases.
32:47
Speaker 1: That's probably for another show. However, her unusual emotional affect
32:53
Speaker 1: in the courtroom, the giggling, the smiling, the scowling here
32:56
Speaker 1: currently is very concerning because you'll all, she comes off
33:01
Speaker 1: an eleven month stint with the Idaho mental health authorities
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Speaker 1: during which she would supposedly return to comparative sanity to
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Speaker 1: the extent of helping her own defense go forward with
33:15
Speaker 1: a trial. If she continues to manifest this kind of
33:19
Speaker 1: giggling report, she's probably gonna she's probably going to get
33:23
Speaker 1: a motion from her defense lawyers to scept this trial
33:27
Speaker 1: date again. You know what Nate eaton. There was a
33:33
Speaker 1: very well thought out and calculated plan for her to
33:37
Speaker 1: order a wedding dress, a wedding ring, travel to a
33:41
Speaker 1: beach side location for her wedding. She did in Hawaii,
33:46
Speaker 1: lie to police over and over and over about the
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Speaker 1: children's whereabouts store all their belongings, their toys, blankets before
33:56
Speaker 1: she left town. It's all very well thought out. There's
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Speaker 1: no way in hubl this woman was insane. Well, a
34:03
Speaker 1: lot of people have asked too, if now that we've
34:05
Speaker 1: been going on nearly three years since this case first broke.
34:09
Speaker 1: If she's still devoted to Chad or is Chad going
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Speaker 1: to turn on her? And one of the things I
34:13
Speaker 1: observed at court just a few weeks ago, she came
34:16
Speaker 1: in and on her fourth finger, her wedding ring finger,
34:19
Speaker 1: she had something we didn't know if it was a band,
34:22
Speaker 1: if it was an actual metal band or a rubber band.
34:26
Speaker 1: Our photographer was able to zoom, and she had taken
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Speaker 1: her hair tie and put it on her finger and
34:31
Speaker 1: wrapped it around tight. Is this to send I don't
34:34
Speaker 1: want to say send a signal, but let people know
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Speaker 1: that she's married, she's still devoted to Chat. Yeah, she's
34:40
Speaker 1: crazy like a fuck. Let me tell you that. And
34:43
Speaker 1: you're bringing me to my next point. Now, a vicious
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Speaker 1: fight on going to keep cameras out of the courtroom.
34:50
Speaker 1: Let's go straight to our cut one twenty seven. Take
34:53
Speaker 1: a listen. Her defense attorneys have filed a motion asking
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Speaker 1: the cameras be banned from the courtroom. Archibald and John Thomas,
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Speaker 1: her attorneys, asked that cameras be banned, They said on
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Speaker 1: August sixteenth, unbeknownst to defense counsel Court TV and or
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Speaker 1: another media outlet, set up a remote camera a few
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Speaker 1: feet in front of the defendant's desk and put microphones
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Speaker 1: on the defendant's desk. The cameras zoomed in repeatedly on
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Speaker 1: the defendant while she was listening to the arguments of
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Speaker 1: counsel and while she was trying to converse with her counsel.
35:26
Speaker 1: Let me remind everyone that are founding fathers who wrote
35:31
Speaker 1: our Constitution had extensive discussions as they were working on
35:38
Speaker 1: the Constitution. And in those discussions they're called legislative minutes
35:43
Speaker 1: now they are anyway, they stated they wished they could
35:47
Speaker 1: have courtrooms big enough for the entire community to watch
35:51
Speaker 1: the trial. That unlike other countries where there are secret proceedings,
35:56
Speaker 1: that in the United States there will be no such thing.
35:59
Speaker 1: And that's what a camera in the courtroom is to
36:02
Speaker 1: let everyone watch as justice unfold. And now the defense
36:06
Speaker 1: is complaining that there is going to be close ups
36:10
Speaker 1: of cultmm Laurie Valo. I can't think of anything that
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Speaker 1: would make her happier. Take a listen to more of
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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton eside of her news and cut one twenty eight.
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Speaker 1: It is unknown if any conversations between the defendant and
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Speaker 1: her lawyers were recorded. The zoom in on the defendant's
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Speaker 1: face was so close that the obvious intent of the
36:27
Speaker 1: filming was not to listen to the arguments of counsel,
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Speaker 1: but to gauge every facial expression of the defendant or
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Speaker 1: her lawyers. A zoom in on the defendant's ring finger
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Speaker 1: was even highlighted in the media. If notes would have
36:41
Speaker 1: been written between defendant and her lawyers, the zoom in
36:43
Speaker 1: feature of the camera could have recorded the notes, a
36:46
Speaker 1: clear violation of attorney client privilege. To Rason, Ura is
36:50
Speaker 1: joining us trial consultant from Whittech dot com. He's joining
36:55
Speaker 1: us from LA today. Rason again, thank you for being
36:58
Speaker 1: with us. How does a camera in the courtroom affect
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Speaker 1: how you would prepare a witness or a defendant? Well,
37:05
Speaker 1: I would I would think that, I mean, this is
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Speaker 1: a very highly charged and nerve wracking experience. And I mean, granted,
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Speaker 1: she's I don't believe that they're going to put her
37:15
Speaker 1: on the stand, so that's kind of a moot point.
37:18
Speaker 1: But I would think that it that it would have
37:21
Speaker 1: a chance that potentially uh points not poisoning, but affecting
37:28
Speaker 1: the jurors, because the more people who are seeing this
37:32
Speaker 1: the odd behavior and and and being aware of what
37:36
Speaker 1: this case is on TV, the more chance you have
37:40
Speaker 1: of some juror going home talking to their wife, their
37:43
Speaker 1: cousin there, you know there, their brother, and you know
37:50
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be a I would say in this case.
37:54
Speaker 1: I could see how they would want to to how
37:57
Speaker 1: the defense would want to limit that because you know,
38:00
Speaker 1: want all of us to see what's happening in court
38:02
Speaker 1: and the Lorie Valo cult Monkeys says, these defendings look
38:07
Speaker 1: very bad. So while you've probably got the money in
38:10
Speaker 1: your hip pocket to fly out there and watch the trial,
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Speaker 1: you don't want the rest of the world to see it.
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Speaker 1: If I'm if, I'm if I'm the defense because they
38:19
Speaker 1: I don't believe they have a good case. I think
38:21
Speaker 1: that the more people know about this, the more they
38:24
Speaker 1: see the morn they stay here. Joe Scott Morgan tell
38:27
Speaker 1: what happened to Tyleie's body. Yeah, I think you're right
38:31
Speaker 1: about that. Raissan Orange, Absolutely, guys, there are a lot
38:34
Speaker 1: of people that want this trial to go forward. Take
38:37
Speaker 1: a listend to k Woodcock. This is Tylie and JJ's
38:47
Speaker 1: family speaking to Katie VB and I cut one twenty five,
38:53
Speaker 1: and then we go back to the corner and we
38:56
Speaker 1: catch our breath, and then we go back out again,
39:00
Speaker 1: and we just keep doing it, and we keep doing it,
39:02
Speaker 1: and we'll keep doing it until we don't have to
39:05
Speaker 1: do it anymore. But until that moment comes, kay and
39:09
Speaker 1: Larry just want closure. We're tired. We simply want to
39:14
Speaker 1: bury the kids the way they should have had a
39:18
Speaker 1: proper burial a long time ago. If it was a
39:22
Speaker 1: boxing match, you train, and you put together a plan
39:27
Speaker 1: and the bail rings, and you get hit smack in
39:31
Speaker 1: the nose the first time, and all the plans go out.
39:36
Speaker 1: When you're sitting in that seat, you're hearing Kaye and
39:40
Speaker 1: Larry Wilcock, they just want to bury the children. Nate Eton,
39:47
Speaker 1: what's the very latest, Well, Matthew, the judge has ruled
39:50
Speaker 1: in this case and he has decided to ban all cameras,
39:54
Speaker 1: including still cameras and video cameras, So for now there
39:58
Speaker 1: will be no televised proceedings leading up to the trial
40:02
Speaker 1: or during the trial. Not only that, but just within
40:05
Speaker 1: the past few hours, John Prior, Chad day Bell's attorney,
40:09
Speaker 1: has filed a motion to postpone the trial. It was
40:12
Speaker 1: supposed to begin in January. He is asking that it
40:15
Speaker 1: begin no earlier than October of twenty twenty three. He
40:20
Speaker 1: says this is a capital death penalty case. He needs
40:23
Speaker 1: to put as much effort and time into preparing a defense,
40:26
Speaker 1: and he's worried that it could be rushed by holding
40:29
Speaker 1: it in January. He's also asking once again that the
40:32
Speaker 1: trials be separated, that they be severed, that Laurie have
40:36
Speaker 1: her own, that Chad has his own. He's done this before.
40:40
Speaker 1: Judge Boyce has denied it before, but he's trying it again.
40:43
Speaker 1: He's saying that Chad's constitutional rights will be violated if
40:48
Speaker 1: these trials are not held separate, and again he's asking
40:51
Speaker 1: for a major delay, that no proceedings would begin at
40:54
Speaker 1: least for another year. Now. Hearing on these motions to
40:58
Speaker 1: sever the trials and to nue the trial will be
41:01
Speaker 1: held on October thirteenth. We of course will be there
41:04
Speaker 1: and we'll let you know how the judge rules. That
41:07
Speaker 1: trial is coming. And I advise you, cult mom, Laurie Valen,
41:10
Speaker 1: get back in your jail sale and make some more
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Speaker 1: lip gloss, because it's happening, Goodbye friend,