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SMNTY Classics: Ahsoka Tano · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and I'll put my stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I've never told your protection of iHeartRadio and as mentioned
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  Speaker 1: or will be mentioned, the calendar's a mess in my head.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to bring back this classic on Ahsoka Tano
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  Speaker 1: because the show is coming out, the live action show,
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  Speaker 1: it's highly anticipated. Not currently a sponsor. Kind of feels
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  Speaker 1: strange during strike to watch and know what was probably
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  Speaker 1: going on during that and what streaming companies are doing.
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  Speaker 1: But I think it's going to be pretty impactful on
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  Speaker 1: the Star Wars universe. And I do think this character
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  Speaker 1: is really interesting because she went from one of the
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  Speaker 1: most hated characters to one of the most beloved characters
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  Speaker 1: to a character I think a lot of people feel
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  Speaker 1: have mixed emotions on not that they don't like her,
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  Speaker 1: but I guess they're kind of like the merchandising is
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  Speaker 1: too much. I don't know, kind of like really too hard,
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  Speaker 1: all right. Yeah, it's just been interesting to see the
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  Speaker 1: timeline of her development, both as a character but also
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  Speaker 1: fan attitudes around her. Don't getting wrong. People are really
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  Speaker 1: really excited, but I guess some of that has come
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  Speaker 1: with the cost of like But I also like these
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  Speaker 1: other characters, and now I can't get anything any books,
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  Speaker 1: are any material around these other characters. So you know
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  Speaker 1: that's the risk you play. Okay, yes, yeah, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure that I will have more to say once
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  Speaker 1: we get to the other side of this series. But
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  Speaker 1: in the meantime, please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this
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  Speaker 1: is Anny and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stepan Never Told
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  Speaker 1: You Protection of iHeart Radio. And welcome to another sub
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  Speaker 1: subsegment of fictional women around the world, and further sub
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  Speaker 1: segment around the galaxy and further sub segment Star Wars specifically.
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  Speaker 1: And yes there were two this month because it's a
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  Speaker 1: big Star Wars month. As this comes out, it's the
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  Speaker 1: eve of the anniversary of a New Hope forty five
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  Speaker 1: years I believe. And I actually bought Samantha. I bought
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  Speaker 1: a magazine. What I was checking out, I want to
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  Speaker 1: go get groceries today, and there was a magazine that
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  Speaker 1: was all about Star Wars. I was like, okay, well
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  Speaker 1: I'm buying.
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  Speaker 2: This immediately had to, didn't you, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I did. It was embarrassing because I was like wearing
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  Speaker 1: a Star Wars shirt and I had my Star Wars
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  Speaker 1: mag I was like, I hope purchased this Star Wars magazine. Please,
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  Speaker 1: that's that right? Yeah? It is? It is, and yes,
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  Speaker 1: Kenoby the show I'll be one Kenobi is either it
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  Speaker 1: comes out May twenty seven, so this is a little
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  Speaker 1: early if you're listening to it right when it comes out.
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  Speaker 1: But it is finally time to cover ah Soka Tanno,
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  Speaker 1: as we've long teased and some of you have written
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  Speaker 1: in about. So here it is, and this is the
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  Speaker 1: last Star Wars entry for a while, I promise, unless
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  Speaker 1: like something else I really have to talk about comes
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  Speaker 1: out or if you have request.
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  Speaker 2: But soa show coming soon there is.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I know we will talk about it. Well, they're
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  Speaker 1: going to be really prepared. Yes, And as with these
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars ones, just because I felt like it was
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  Speaker 1: sort of, i don't know, not great of me to
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  Speaker 1: throw Samantha under the bush and make her talk about
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  Speaker 1: something when I was one that really wanted to talk
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  Speaker 1: about it, I'm going to run through this and if
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  Speaker 1: you have any question love it, just let me know
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  Speaker 1: I love it, all right. So Ahsoka Tano is a
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  Speaker 1: force sensitive Tortuga woman who was the one time Jedi
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  Speaker 1: padawan to Anakin Skywacker aka Darth Vader. She's a dual
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  Speaker 1: lightsaber user. She has two white light sabers, which is
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  Speaker 1: actually interesting we're gonna talk about in the minute, but she
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  Speaker 1: also uses reverse grip and the headdress she wears denotes
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  Speaker 1: the skills that she has. It's kind of like a warrior.
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  Speaker 1: You have to do that, you have to earn that
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  Speaker 1: through being a warrior. Many call her a gray Jedi,
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  Speaker 1: as in she's not like total light user, not a
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  Speaker 1: dark user, but kind of a gray in between. She
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  Speaker 1: was first introduced in the animated show Star Wars The
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  Speaker 1: Clone Wars, which first debuted in two thousand and eight
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  Speaker 1: and takes place between the films Attack of the Clones
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  Speaker 1: and Revenge of the Sith and shortly after. She was
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  Speaker 1: sort of famously a really hated character at first. She
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  Speaker 1: went from somebody everyone hated to a character that was
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  Speaker 1: beloved by fans. You can find whole YouTube videos about it,
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  Speaker 1: essays about how it happened, and you know, I recommend
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  Speaker 1: it if you're at all interested, but there is a
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  Speaker 1: lot of information out there about how that happened. Rosario
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  Speaker 1: Dawson plays her in live action Star Wars media, including
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  Speaker 1: the Mandalorian book A Boba Fett and yes, the upcoming
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  Speaker 1: show Ahsoka. She is also featured in E. K. Johnson's
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  Speaker 1: book Star Wars. Ahsoka creator and writer Dave Filoni and
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  Speaker 1: George Lucas wanted a prominent female Jedi to appeal to girls,
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  Speaker 1: and that was where kind of the impetus for Ahsoka.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, they just kind of made big headlines that
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  Speaker 1: they're filming Ahsoka right now. They just started filming. Interesting
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  Speaker 1: stuff about the name. George Lucas originally wanted the name
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  Speaker 1: to be Ashla, which he describes as the light side
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  Speaker 1: of the force. However, they pivoted to Ahsoka, perhaps after
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  Speaker 1: Ahsoka the Great, who was an emperor of India during
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  Speaker 1: the third century BCE, who legend has it, personally decapitated
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  Speaker 1: five hundred of his ministers, burned five hundred concubines alive,
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  Speaker 1: and built a torture chamber called Ahsoka's Hell that people
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  Speaker 1: allegedly said was so sadistic. Ahsoka personally he went to
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  Speaker 1: hell to learn how to make it. Ahsoka started a
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  Speaker 1: war that resulted in one hundred thousand casualties, and the
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  Speaker 1: violence reached such a level that Ahsoka converted to Buddhism,
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  Speaker 1: notably the inspiration for Jedism. Ahsoka became known as Ahsoka.
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  Speaker 1: The Righteous People think the overall influence of this figure
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  Speaker 1: in the story is as someone who witnessed evil and
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  Speaker 1: turned away from war, which is kind of what happens.
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  Speaker 1: And apparently georgiak Is really lobbied for a reserve Dawson
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  Speaker 1: to play. He really wanted her to play it. And
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  Speaker 1: also allegedly her first design was high heeled boots and
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  Speaker 1: a pleated skirt. So I'm glad that kind of went
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  Speaker 1: a different way. I guess it could have worked. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but why but why exactly? Yeah, I like the direction
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  Speaker 1: they went, So let's get into the history. By the
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  Speaker 1: age of three, Ahsoka started showing signs of force sensitivity.
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  Speaker 1: Jedi Master Plo Kuhn was sent to investigate, though he
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  Speaker 1: was intercepted by an impostor who almost enslaved Tosca, but
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  Speaker 1: Plo Kun arrived in time and took her to the
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  Speaker 1: Jedi Temple and Chorissant for training. At the onset of
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  Speaker 1: the Clone Wars, Grand Master Yoda assigned her to be
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  Speaker 1: Anakin Skywalker's padawan, who definitely he definitely didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: Padawan and tried to pass her off to Obi wan
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  Speaker 1: h I do take her. Anakin called her snips in
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  Speaker 1: acknowledgment that she is a lot like him. And by
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  Speaker 1: the way, Yoda hoped mentoring Ahsoka would mellow Anakin out,
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  Speaker 1: and no, nope, it did not. Their relationship started off
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  Speaker 1: a bit rocky. Ahsoka was eager to prove herself while
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  Speaker 1: Anakin was reckless, but over time they came to work
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  Speaker 1: really well together and they really respected each other. On
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  Speaker 1: top of that, she earned the title of Commander in
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  Speaker 1: the Grand Army of the Republic, and through that the
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  Speaker 1: respect of the Clone Army, in particular that of Captain
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  Speaker 1: Rex the five hundred and first, the five of first,
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  Speaker 1: who became something of a mentor to her. She disobeyed
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  Speaker 1: orders in her first assignment as leader and lost an
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  Speaker 1: entire score quadron of pilots, but she rebounded from this
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  Speaker 1: loss and was key in winning the Battle of Ryelof.
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  Speaker 1: I love that some of this is just like washing
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  Speaker 1: over people's heade. What It's all a sake, don't worry
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  Speaker 1: about it. You get the basic premise. Yeah. As a patawan,
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  Speaker 1: she dealt with the Sith Apprentice of Ventures Bounty hunters
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  Speaker 1: like cab Baine and at one point died what was
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  Speaker 1: brought back to life by the personification of the Light
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  Speaker 1: Side of the Force, who sacrificed herself to save Ahsoka.
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  Speaker 1: And that episode is like very strange, but essentially that
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  Speaker 1: was not good for what is to come. Anyway, she
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  Speaker 1: helped train Sawgerera and his sister, worked with Chewbacca to
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  Speaker 1: escape a planet where people are hunted for sport, and
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  Speaker 1: help some Jedi younglings escape from their captors. However, she
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  Speaker 1: was framed for a bombing at the Jedi Temple Hangar
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  Speaker 1: and for a few murders on top of that. She
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  Speaker 1: managed to escape into the underd of Coroissant and partners
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  Speaker 1: with Bentris to clear her slash their names. Eventually, Ahsoka
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  Speaker 1: was detained and banished from the Jedi Order. Anakin, with
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  Speaker 1: the help of Padme, who was a good friend of Ahsoka's,
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  Speaker 1: was determined to prove her innocence, and he uncovered the
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  Speaker 1: true culprit was Padawan barris Offi, a friend of Ahsoka's
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  Speaker 1: and fan fiction tells me they were in love. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: through this, Ahsoka was not convicted and Ahsoka was invited
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  Speaker 1: by the Jedi High Council to rejoin the Order, but
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  Speaker 1: she refused because she was hurt and disillusioned. Anakin begs
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  Speaker 1: her to stay, but she walks the way down the
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  Speaker 1: steps at the Jedi Temple and you're like, no, cause
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  Speaker 1: he's even more isolated. Oh gosh, And you do see
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  Speaker 1: an interesting perspective from her time, as she's an outcast
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  Speaker 1: hearing about people's feelings on the war, jued Jedi, caisson,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: Feel like she might have died had she stayed.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, well he killed everyone. Well, and
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  Speaker 1: then it's so tragic because he made her a promise
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  Speaker 1: and he said, I will never let anyone hurt you.
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  Speaker 1: And you're like, oh no, no, no, lies, it's very sad.
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  Speaker 1: It's very sad. She did briefly come back to work
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  Speaker 1: with the Republic. On the siege of Mandalor, she asked
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  Speaker 1: for the help of Anakin and Obi went after a
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  Speaker 1: tense reunion, but they were on their way to save
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  Speaker 1: Chancellor Palpatine, who had been kidnapped. They sent a battalion
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  Speaker 1: of some clones with her instead, and she faced off
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  Speaker 1: with Darth Maul, who was in possession of the Dark
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  Speaker 1: Saber and the ruler of Mandelor, and she bested and
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  Speaker 1: captured him. Shortly after this, though, Order sixty six was enacted,
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  Speaker 1: which is when the Clones turned on all the Jedi
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  Speaker 1: because of chips in their heads, and so Ahsoka, who
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  Speaker 1: was really good friends with most of the Clones in
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  Speaker 1: her battalion, was attacked by them. She is able to
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  Speaker 1: free res from the chip control at least Mal directs
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  Speaker 1: the ship there on to crash, and Ahsoka a rex
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  Speaker 1: grave markers for the fallen Clones, leaving her lightsabers behind
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  Speaker 1: so it looks like she had died too, and then
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  Speaker 1: goes into hiding. Darth Vader finds this space of her
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  Speaker 1: supposed death and stares at it and it's like, hmmm,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, okay. But then we move into the
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  Speaker 1: next phase of her time. In her life, with the
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  Speaker 1: rise of the Empire, Ahsoka proved instrumental in organizing rebel cells.
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  Speaker 1: She joined Bill Organa's burgeoning movement against the Empire, and
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  Speaker 1: as part of this she rows up to manage the
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  Speaker 1: intelligence network under the code name Fulcrum. She provided information
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  Speaker 1: to the rebels, including Harris and Doula and the Ghost Crew,
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  Speaker 1: who she took a particular interest in due to Jedaik
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  Speaker 1: Canaan Jerris and his patawan Ezra Bridger. She also briefly
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  Speaker 1: crossed past with Leah Organa. She reunited with Rex and
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  Speaker 1: confronted Imperial inquisitors and Darth Vader, who unbeknownst to her
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  Speaker 1: was Anakin skywalker. During her duel with him on Malakor,
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  Speaker 1: she was believed to have died, but in a plot
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  Speaker 1: line that may have broken the Star Wars universe and
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Slash Terrified is going to come back.
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  Speaker 1: Perhaps in this obi Wan show, she was saved from
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  Speaker 1: death by an Ezra Bridger from the future. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: in the so called world between worlds, she confronted Darcidius,
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  Speaker 1: Emperor Palpatine, who wanted to control this dimension and return
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  Speaker 1: to her time, and promised Ezra she'd find him in
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  Speaker 1: the future. I don't think about it too hard, heart
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  Speaker 1: your brain, I promise. Once the Galactic Civil War came
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  Speaker 1: to an end, she joined up with Sabine Wren, who
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  Speaker 1: we just did an episode on to find Ezra. To
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  Speaker 1: that end, we see her in the Mandalorian the show,
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  Speaker 1: which was an episode that almost crashed hiss Andy Plus
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  Speaker 1: by the way. She is searching for information on Grand
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  Speaker 1: Admiral Throun, who Ezra disappeared with and who was one
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  Speaker 1: of the main villains of the Legends universe, and now
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  Speaker 1: I guess also the Disney canon whatever. She worked alongside
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  Speaker 1: the Mandalorian Dendajaran and refused to train baby Ota slash
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  Speaker 1: Goku due to his attachment to den in the darkness
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  Speaker 1: she sensed within him. Later, she visited Luke Skywalker's Jedi
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  Speaker 1: Temple and book a Boba Fett and once again warned
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  Speaker 1: Dan about the dangers of attachment and the difference between
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  Speaker 1: Mandalorian foundlings and Jedi Padawans, which is interesting because she
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  Speaker 1: knows a lot about both. And don't even talk to
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  Speaker 1: me about how they introduced Lucnahsoka offscreen because I'm still
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  Speaker 1: salty's hell about it. I'm so mad. Did you explain
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  Speaker 1: that to me? Because I feel like you did explain
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  Speaker 1: that to me? What that they met off screen?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, they just were like, oh, I guess we know
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  Speaker 1: each other now, So that's what you were saying.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have a plot line, They just moving on
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  Speaker 2: with it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, there was oh wow, Oh maybe I'm so
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  Speaker 1: mad about it. I was like waiting for this and
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  Speaker 1: I never thought it would happen, and then for it
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  Speaker 1: to happen like that. Yep. No.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see the recent picture though of no Hammel
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  Speaker 2: Grogu the stand in Rosario Dawson.
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  Speaker 1: I did not see it, Like my heart was broken.
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  Speaker 1: I do think like if this episode, if I wanted
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  Speaker 1: it to go on and on, I would talk like
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  Speaker 1: I would talk about the trauma here of her probably
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  Speaker 1: seeing what happened to Anakin and Darth Vader and being
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  Speaker 1: so like, no, Dutchmans is not good, very bad. She
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  Speaker 1: did also join several Jedi voices in Rise of Skywalker
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  Speaker 1: when Ray reached out to them in her battle against Palpatine,
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  Speaker 1: which suggests she is dead by this point because they're
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  Speaker 1: Force ghost. However, creator Dave Filoni te's that this is
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  Speaker 1: not the case. And that's a heavy sigh from me
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  Speaker 1: because I'm so tired of them killing allf somebody and
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  Speaker 1: then bringing them back stopped. Anyway, who she is a
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  Speaker 1: really interesting character, and I like in culin War she
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  Speaker 1: kind of she did become the focus and like Anakin
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  Speaker 1: was the side character, and so I thought that was
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  Speaker 1: an interesting way to do it, because you as the
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  Speaker 1: viewer know what's going on with him and all this stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and like their final conversation is pretty upbeat, or least
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  Speaker 1: one of their final conversations, not the last one, but
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  Speaker 1: you see it through her eyes. And then to have
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  Speaker 1: I've seen things that kind of bothered me about how
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  Speaker 1: like if only she and left, they do that with
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  Speaker 1: padme too. If only she hadn't done this, he wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have turned. He still did it, Like I get it,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not up to her to keep him from
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  Speaker 1: doing what. She was his student, right, That's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, I don't know if anything would have changed.
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  Speaker 2: I know that this is a build up of things,
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  Speaker 2: but he also had someone like digging into.
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  Speaker 1: His brain, right, right, And then there were a lot
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  Speaker 1: of failures in the system and with other characters. But
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  Speaker 1: it's not like her walking away because she felt betrayed
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  Speaker 1: is like, oh, well, it's her fault.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: I'm also kind of I'm intrigued what they're going to
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  Speaker 1: do with the show, because they feel like her live
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  Speaker 1: action version and her kind of cartoon animated version don't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily match, and there's a lot of years in between that,
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  Speaker 1: so maybe they'll explain why she's she seems to be
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  Speaker 1: a bit I mean, it could just be Vader, but
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  Speaker 1: she seems to be a lot more like cynical and darker.
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  Speaker 1: She still has kind of a lightness to her, but
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  Speaker 1: I'll be curious to see how that goes. Well, gosh, now,
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  Speaker 1: I just want to talk about this trauma so much,
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  Speaker 1: But all right, this is it for now. Yes, well,
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  Speaker 1: I hope that you enjoyed this. I hope it was
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  Speaker 1: informative if you're interested in this character who has become
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  Speaker 1: very beloved. And yeah, I hope that you enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 1: We'll well, I'm sure we'll revisit it in the future.
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  Speaker 1: In the meantime, thanks as always for letting me have
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