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Erik Cason | Vindication of Bitcoin Maxis | Simply Bitcoin IRL · Simply Bitcoin

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Yo, welcome to another episode of Simply Bitcoin iro.
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for bitcoiners. Anyway, I want to introduce my
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awesome guest. He is very well known for his
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epic mono. Logs and and rants in just going
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at it. So let's just let's just dive
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deep into it man. Eric Vindication my are
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Vindication, my friend Vindication for the Bitcoin.
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Maxis, we got so much crap. I hope they're hard to find, but
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I hope that those videos of Alex machine ski, the CEO of Celsius
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gets saved of him saying they shouldn't take self.
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Custody self, custody is a bad thing.
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And Shout, I also shout out to core eclipse in man.
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I'm doing the Lord's work doing. Satoshi's work man.
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Saving so many people. So what are your thoughts on all
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this man? Because I feel like it's
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Vindication, but it's also Bittersweet, right?
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You know you do get cheaper SATs, you get opportunity to buy
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cheaper Bitcoin. But at the same time the reality
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is, you know, whichever which way you see it, right?
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We all have seen our net worth, drop my 77 percent in the last
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year and you know it is what it is.
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But how you feeling about this bro?
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Are you? I'm feeling bullish, how you
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feel? I feel great.
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I mean, you know, a long time ago, I figured out for myself
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the there's a dynamic cycle that goes through between bear and
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bull markets. And if you've been here long
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enough, you know, to ask, Nate that like a four-year cycle is
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not unexpected. And so like, if you plan
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accordingly, which I had because I witnessed this before I'm
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doing great and like right now is, I think it's a great time to
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be building. Deploying credit lines.
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If you have those available to you for reasonable cost, you
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know and and general Prudence. But this is a great opportunity
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where you know I figure in five years from now there will be
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people who are like yeah when the price was like at 16k I was
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just Gathering my stats that could leveraging debt.
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Because like I just knew was going to happen and lo and
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behold it did because like Look at how ethically fuck things are
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across the board. You know, like bacon frauds,
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parents legal, professors like to Ivy League schools, like
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helping direct crypto policy. Like they took 120 million
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dollar mansion in the Bahamas. Like like what's amazing is that
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like this morn had access to bitcoin to they could look like
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they could have figured something out till I get all the
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Bitcoin and he's like dumb motherfuckers were look.
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Good. Looks real.
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Stupid. This is gonna go great with all
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of our fraud that were conducting.
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I got my chocolate. The math man like math like Matt
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does crazy shit to people so yes yes it does and they all seem to
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you know and through Abu doctor A myth.
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Okay. Now it looks like Matt like,
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sure math can help you do some things.
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But like, I don't know if you should be running one of the
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world's largest financial crypto exchanges, when you like meth
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doubt, like maybe you should just stick to some other
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occupations, dude. I mean how crazy was that bro?
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I so we for, you know, for the Regular Show for simply Bitcoin
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life, which you've been on, of course, we were covering it and
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it was the news is so atrocious because you Have you also like
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hear the horror stories of people losing their life
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savings? Because, you know, they they
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haven't learned the lesson of self custody yet but you're
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hearing about the penthouse and the parties that they were
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throwing in the penthouse and what you were saying about the
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luxury real estate. And then this dude was like, the
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perception in the media was that this guy was an altruist and
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that he didn't own anything. And that he just drove a Toyota
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and that he was just as Humble guy.
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And then you hear about, you know, the the drugs and the
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parties and the only Jesus tells a lie.
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They own a yacht 121 million dollars in real estate.
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So this like it would it tells me Eric is that crypto right is
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just Fiat times 100 times 1000 because you're seeing kind of
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the Wolf of Wall Street story just repeat itself with even
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less guardrails and the degeneracy in the Archery is
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just times 10, of course, you know, from the perspective of a
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bitcoiners that are taking Bitcoin to self custody, we're
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just looking and entertainment, and we're kind of laughing about
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it. But a lot of people got hurt,
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bro. A lot of people got rekt, man.
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Yeah, like this is the unfortunate consequence that,
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you know, if you would have been listen to us for a while.
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You would sort of know that this would be expected and and
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furthermore like yeah, of course it's going to end up, you know,
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like the worst of Wall Street times 100 because like now you
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can make, you can fictionalize your own token out of thin air
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that you can ascribe your own value to that you can offshore
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through various legal mean, you know, unlike the idol tweet
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storm, a little while ago about led, the sort of banality of All
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that's playing out here because like, like to me, what he
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represents has a very particular kind of evil and it's that that
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which happens kind of a post nihilistic world where people
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go. Well like you know there is no
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good, there is no evil. So like why should I just get
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all the money that I want to push the agenda that I want, you
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know, and it's pretty scary to see the way that when people
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have approached him about the ethics of, well, you were doing
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something wrong, you were stealing from people, you're
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committing fraud that that doesn't, it doesn't shake him as
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being wrong because he was doing Thing for the greater good.
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And this was like, literally the argument that I can made during
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his trial, you know, for participating in the Holocaust,
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you know, he didn't think he did anything wrong.
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Like he was just obeying the rules and the laws and playing
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playing the game had to be played.
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So why was he the people ain't right.
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So you said something really interesting and I can't wait to
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kind of dive deep into this. This topic, which is this post
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nihilistic world, you know, you can kind of combine that with
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Post-modernism and all that. And I kind of contribute that to
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the decadence in the west, right?
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And I also believe that all these ideology and all these
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belief systems are only viable With fake money with Fiat money
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II. Don't think that these ways of
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thinking and these ideologies are these ways of looking at the
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world are viable under Bitcoin standard, you get rekt, I think
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that you need fake money in order to think this way and if
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the weight, how far that skewed people's thinking and all the
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atrocities that come with it too?
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Right. Yeah.
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I mean something, you've actually you've touched on
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really important narrative that like essentially since the
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production of Fiat money. And the way that essentially
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allowed for an ongoing scam and fraud to be like the fundamental
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development of the west through you know the idea of GDP and
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growth and all these other things, the development of that
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economy was specifically one In that is intrinsically tied to
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warn genocide because of the way the like this was done in order
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to finance the war machine. Once the more machine got itself
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up into power, it became the military industrial complex or
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for Eisenhower warned us against.
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I'm like, yeah, that was like, almost 60 years ago now and the
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entirety of this economic development of science,
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scientific technological development, post-modernism,
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overconsumption, azzam, and, and the destruction of communities
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on a whole and reforming them and see.
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Ruby in these other things. Like is the fundamental
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development of theism and it's made to destroy people in a very
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particular way in order to modernize them for statism,
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which I have an essay about this called The Sovereign the subject
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and crypto power. And essentially like this is the
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state's ultimate goal is to be able to have full and total
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control over everyone because it can and it demands that it has a
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strong desire to be able to control people.
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And particularly now that we have all these in, Insane
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technological, like the fact that we're dealing with gas,
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that's as large as they are, and that those can be used for
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monitoring. And surveilled means that
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essentially the state's building a panopticon's and that was only
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possible through Fiat ISM and the development of this really
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deplorable culture that develops from the the generational
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building on top of this kind of gluttony.
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And Non ethical stance. You know?
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It's pretty wild 100%. I think you really hit the nail
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on the head, I really see it as decadence and if the unit of
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account that you're using is disconnected from reality and it
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gives the perception of and there's all there's huge
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political parties, and political ideologies that are based on the
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concept of being able to create money for free to hand out to
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other people. In order to kind of remain in
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power, right? And and that money is it free.
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It's based on coercion because it's theft, they're stealing it
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from other people because that's what inflation is.
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It's a wealth redistribution mechanism and it's fascinating
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how much that affects the human psyche and being a Bitcoin for,
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you know, for what, you know, that that saying, Eric we've
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said it, you know, some bitcoiners saying that there is
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no end to the Bitcoin. Rabbit hole.
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But what I can tell you is that how it changes people.
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And I would say, changes people for the better it's almost as if
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when the incentives are aligned. The best of human nature gets
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brought up and it's really interesting because with crypto
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which has all the shortcomings of Fiat.
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You see the worst of human nature.
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Also getting brought up But magnified by 1000.
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So what are your thoughts on that, man?
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What maybe I'm stretching it, but no, no.
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This is all like, the the very fact that the word, like crypto
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itself means secret. But like what?
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And and you can prefix crypto and things, they like somebody's
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of crypto-fascist, like they're secretly a fascist.
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And so like, but the fact that this is crypto without any sort
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of a prefix, it sort of points to its own illogical. - you
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know, like the Nature of why cryptography is at the heart of
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these systems and why? It's important.
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There's like lost in these people that like don't even
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understand that sort of Adam The Logical linkage to it.
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And I just find it. Like it's no wonder to me that
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this game is, people are going to come to crypto because will
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not only like the production of these tokens is fundamentally
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better than Fiat and it is a whole different scam.
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But like there's also the wild west like the state.
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The state hasn't figured this place out yet and Of course,
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there's gonna be a bunch of ne'er-do-wellers that are gonna
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come and try to call nice this place as well.
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And big Corners, have done a good job, distancing themselves,
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both in Bull and Bear markets specifically and I think
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particularly going through a brutal bear Mark and being like,
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hey, we've always distance ourselves from these assholes.
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It has been a pretty healthy thing and we'll the the second
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part of that question and I'm just kind of getting just losing
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myself in train of thought, okay?
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It was about Out, it was about. It was about that Bitcoin brings
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out the best in the best in human nature.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So so did to me like,
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essentially, what's happening, what we're rediscovering, what
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the truth actually is unlike that it has fundamental meaning
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in the world like and this is the best part is that like it's
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not just that were rediscovering truth but that were that
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rediscovery of Truth in our post nihilistic world that's like
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essentially a A fundamental version of hell.
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We're learning that like the good actually exist.
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God damn it. There's this fucking sceeto
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here. I think I killed it so I'll just
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continue my ramp that essentially, we've rediscovered,
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the good and that good is nested inside of Truth.
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Like when we unveil the truth, like it happens to actually be
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the good and that's a really important facet of
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understanding. What it means to be human in a
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post nihilistic world because like, that's what allows for
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the, the Sam bacon frauds to exist.
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Like they don't They don't think there is a good or an evil or
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that there's a subjective way to approach the world that could
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have you arrived at a capital-t truth.
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They just think it's all lowercase subjective.
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He thinks he's doing the right thing.
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So it is the right thing, you know, and I think that's why
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we're seeing the good come out from people's discovery of
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Bitcoin and I can speak to my own case, you know, along with
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probably dozens of others, this point that share.
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There's this Monumental event where you realize that the, The
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Logical Concourse that is built on top of Bitcoin and the
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importance of that logic in a state-based violent world where
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like any of us can be labeled as an enemy combatant and vanished
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and put outside of the law for any reason that this becomes not
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just a Monumental power, but like it becomes something that
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fundamentally changes the destiny of humanity, from one
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where it looked like it was going to be a boot stamping on a
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human face. Forever in a concentration camp
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to one where the possibilities are truly endless and Limitless.
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Like we, we could actually be free.
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And like, what is that? Freedom mean?
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And I think for all of us that have discovered this in this
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post nihilistic World there, there's a hunger to discover
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what that truth means when it does blossom into the world, you
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know. Yeah, and that's a really
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interesting topic and I've spent so much time.
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Trying to, you know, because it's never happened before.
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We've never had this. We've never had one that we
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could say. It's maybe happened through my
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cyanic events before, but I absolutely agree that like, I
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think this is the event because like this is the thing that
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either unites Humanity into one single Collective.
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And like I use that word very Loosely because we're talking
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about the most fundamental, Monumental form of the law.
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The first single contract that like, is digital money that can
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exist forever into the future. Or we get panoptix Angel which
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is the boot stamping on a human face forever, everything is
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monitored. All transactions are surveilled
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the very idea of freedom and Independence is a non
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possibility. And so to me like this is this
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is where stuff sits get really kind of fucked up and Ash
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logical because I think we're actually dealing with stuff that
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deals with the, the absolute Destiny of humanity. 100%.
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Right. And I fundamentally agree with
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you and I Almost every morning, I say Bitcoin or slavery and I
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don't mean it in. I'm not hiding, I'm not being
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hyperbolic when I say that because, you know, the world
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that they want for us is a world of Central Bank, digital
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currencies, and all the power and control that, and it's not
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even Direct Control. It's also self-censorship if,
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you know, for a fact that if you say a certain thing and there's
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a government that can shut off your money, you could bet your
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bottom dollar, that a large portion of the population,
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Elation, just not going to say the certain thing because
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they're just acting in their best interest.
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Oh, my camera went out. I will be back in 30 seconds and
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I'll be back right now. There we go.
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So, yeah. And then let's talk about the,
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the world of Freedom, right? Which is the world that Bitcoin
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is going to enable this rules without rulers.
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No One controls the monetary policy.
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No one can debase it. It's censorship resistant.
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Etc. Etc.
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But it's clear and and you mentioned this earlier Eric and
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I kind of want to double back to it.
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You're saying that the state hasn't been able to figure it
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out, I don't think they can figure it out.
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I think eventually The Clash is going to be insane because the
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reality is that, you know, specifically the office of
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foreign assets control, they're getting to pick and choose what
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populations are allowed to use money and what populations are
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not allowed to use money. You know, Janet Yellen is an
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elected. She's an appointed bureaucrat,
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which is the crazy part. They already put an open source
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developer in jail without bail. I might add in SPF is roaming
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free. Or maybe it's perhaps he donated
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to the right political parties who knows, right?
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But clearly, you know, these are the well-entrenched forces that
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were fighting against and I don't think an open monetary
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Network Ormond open monetary Network like Bitcoin and a
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system that the u.s. government currently has the world using,
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right? Which is weaponized dollar
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system. I don't think both can coexist.
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I think eventually there's going to be a class.
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And eventually one will win. And I think it's going to be
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very scary during that transition.
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I do, I think Bitcoin wins at the end.
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I'm very bullish on the incentives of Bitcoin.
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I don't think they can match those incentives, but I think
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that they can make our lives. Hell man, I really believe that.
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I think you and me like, we're fucked, like I'm like that.
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We're like, you know, like I like hang out.
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We have these conversations that will just, you know, No, be
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about who's going to get the last slice of bread for the next
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three days, you know, and I say that tongue-in-cheek.
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But like that, that is a truly terrifying thing and I have a
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piece, I haven't published yet a called names anons and Nims.
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And one of the final pieces that I wrote for crypto, sovereignty
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was the theory of the crypto part of song.
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Which is, it's an extension of Carl Schmidt's, political Theory
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and essentially that like the partisan becomes, like the key
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player and War because like, we now exist in a globalized state.
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Total War and in that globalized state of Total War, like the
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partisans. The only one who can actually
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struggle in any meaningful way against powers that are
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magnitudes more powerful than, and like, oh, like check it out
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with lo and behold. We have this like, special way
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to communicate with each other when asymmetric Powers against
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us called cryptography. And it can ensure a way that we
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can actually organize ourselves without being known.
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And so like, I actually think as like insane panoptix on reality
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plays itself out. There's essentially going to be
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Revolutionary Collective of anions, who won't know each
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other or what they're doing and they'll be operating in tandem
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to essentially deploy much more powerful, methodologies of being
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able to use encryption and communication networks browsers.
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A really radical kind of hacktivism that I think
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eventually assembles itself into some sort of revolutionary
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organization. Yeah.
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Or we just turn all the political immediately and like
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head straight. At it, which I don't think it's
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that crazy of an idea considering where we're at and
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what's going on? Yeah, like the fact that we like
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the fact that we just want our money that like is debased all
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the time like making the world's Global poor like-for-like.
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So somehow it were the bad guys. Dude clown world man.
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It is clown world but it's so and name, bouquet Lee, wrote an
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amazing article right for don't drink the elites Kool-Aid and he
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made the best argument, right? He's like these people is like
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not only do they control the world's armies.
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Not only do they control the money supply you know whatever
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but they controlled the truth and you know of the last two
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years Eric one of the one of the things that worried me the most
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man. He's Is how many people bought
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into the propaganda? Because, you know, for a fact
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once that propaganda machine turns, right and says that
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Bitcoin thing, that's demon money, you know, that's bad,
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that's bad for you. They're already trying to do
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this saying, it's bad for the planet, right?
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It's I don't think it's a successful as they thought it
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would be, but still man it before it blows my mind.
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How many people Have just out sourced critical thinking you
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know it's just like I don't get to think.
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I'm happy with the bread and circuses, let me giving my
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Netflix. Give me my stimmy check.
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Give me my government, mandated health care and you know I would
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love your Central Bank. Digital currency and you know of
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course it's obvious. It's like Bitcoin is just better
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better incentives is better for everybody.
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But I think what I've come to learn the last two years Eric is
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that Some people just like govern Me Harder daddy like they
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just they just they like to be. They like to be ruled man.
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You know. I look like the idea of a slave
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mentality like isn't like it's not a crazy idea.
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Like it being free is a hard thing like making those choices
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for yourself is difficult and you know I know many people that
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when you approach them with difficult problems and ask them
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to think for themselves they get really uncomfortable.
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School that, you know, and we're taught for a very you know since
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kindergarten that the correct answer is the truth.
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Like that. That's all that we need.
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And that we don't need all this other thinking stuff to go on.
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We just need to have the right answer.
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And that's really what the sort of lading authoritarianism.
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That, that permeates all of society gives us as, you know, a
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population people that don't, you know, you don't think the
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government's good, they help us. They're good people.
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They want the best for others so we should just listen.
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To them, you know, and I empathize with it but it's
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really when you start asking yourself and questioning like
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truly questioning not like trying to find an answer but
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being like, why does this happen like, why do we just blow up
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brown people in Yemen? Like is that a good thing?
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Like what why do we just create money in hand?
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Now, to be like, these are all really important questions that
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you have to be self compelled by because if you're not like that
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like what's the fucking point, you know, Like I feel and this
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is why I love this bear market like fuck all of these Bitcoin
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financiers like go, like I'm really happy that you're wrecked
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and you destroyed your life for leveraging Bitcoin because
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that's what he fucking desert like you had Bitcoin, you had it
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and then you fuck that up because you could get it was
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three or eight percent yield like you fucking moron and like,
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particularly people that lost their whole bag with that.
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Like I do the fucking say, licking you had the perfect
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money and you leverage it for more because you're fucking
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greedy. And Now you don't have any, I
24:12
hope that you get some Bitcoin back and you don't leverage it
24:14
this time. And that you realize that doing
24:17
what Bitcoin does, all by itself, should be more than
24:20
enough and you should be happy with that.
24:22
You need to go play this stupid leverage game.
24:25
So, you know, it's a. Yeah.
24:28
And like, I personally I'm not interested in, you know, the 90%
24:33
slave population. Like we're not going to be
24:34
friends. We don't think or see the same
24:36
way like we're not going to have a good conversation and That's
24:41
fine, but likely the fuck alone, you know.
24:43
And that's, that's why I've Bitcoin is, because you're not
24:46
going to leave me the fuck alone.
24:47
You're going to try to steal from me, you're going to try to
24:49
take my stuff. We're going to try to call me a
24:50
criminal. You're going to say the way that
24:52
I practice spirituality religion is bad and that we can't have
24:55
those sort of people or, oh, guess what?
24:57
We've done this whole thing fucking before.
24:59
Like, that's what the whole 20th century was with genocide saying
25:02
those people over there are doing bad shit.
25:04
We don't like them. They we can't have them having
25:07
their separate thoughts or separate.
25:08
God they're separate idea. Hey maybe we should just fucking
25:11
kill them and take all their shit and then call it ours.
25:15
And like that happen again and again, and again in the fucking
25:18
20th century and it's outrageous that now that we actually have a
25:21
form of property that can't be taken from us.
25:24
That these people are saying that that's the bad thing, you
25:27
know? Like we can't have dialogue.
25:29
So the people I hope they figure it out on their own but if they
25:34
don't want to ask sincere questions about the nature of
25:38
our reality and white shit is fucked up, like we can't go
25:41
anywhere. But is that so it, you know, if
25:46
as long as there's public schooling, right?
25:50
And the, you know, I'm not going to get into the details about
25:54
what's happening recently but clearly you know you look at
25:57
public schooling. And what I see is indoctrination
26:01
it's not really teaching you know what you and I both know
26:06
right? Which is the state, the nation
26:08
state was the biggest mass murderer of the 20th.
26:12
Century hands down. I like if you look at all the
26:15
atrocities, my camera keeps overheating because of the
26:17
light. If you look at all the, if you
26:19
look at all the atrocities, you know, whether that's, you know,
26:23
Stalin Hitler Mao Zedong. Like if you look at them pulp
26:28
hot, like holding the Killing Fields of Cambodia, right, North
26:32
Korea Cuba. Like it's like, it's just it's
26:35
over and over and over and over and over and over and over
26:40
again. And I don't Don't think that
26:43
people are really going to pay attention to these things unless
26:47
they're taught it. Unfortunately, like, we don't
26:50
have a critical thinking society, and I think that, as
26:53
long as people are Outsourcing the education of their children,
26:59
To the state. I think you're just going to
27:01
keep getting statist even if even if they don't really know
27:04
their status at heart which is I think is the whole tragic part
27:08
about it as well. Yeah.
27:10
Like I, you know, the those people and like the panopticon's
27:15
absolutely happening like they're that that's coming and
27:18
we're not stopping it. The question is will we have a
27:22
separate area of Life? Carved out for ourselves where
27:25
we actually have autonomy and Independence or Or will we be
27:29
integrated into that thing on willing, you know, and I really
27:33
hope that we can carve out a ton of mysterious tricks, you know,
27:37
and hopefully full-on nation states that recognize and
27:41
protect a different way of life. Because, yeah, like a, the very
27:45
idea of what education is like, it.
27:49
It's just a concept. Like, I as an article on my blog
27:52
called the pedagogy of Bitcoin where I talk about like the it
27:56
is a pedagogical tool we have that like you need Coin and you
27:59
need to understand Bitcoin because the way it empowers you
28:02
like it's not about making a bunch of money or something.
28:04
It's about like if you are a sex worker and a cop busts you, he's
28:08
going to steal all your fucking money and that's bad.
28:10
You know, like a if you are a minority in our press country
28:13
like Burma, like you should have fucking Bitcoin because chances
28:17
are they're going to come after you look one of these genocides
28:19
that happened over and over and over, you know, like it's and
28:24
again, testifying to the crazy-ass place that were in
28:27
like I And it amazing that liberals aren't way more hard up
28:32
on bitcoin for the way that it empowers individuals that are
28:36
normally oppressed by the state, you know, and I find it very
28:41
strange that they would just rather seek the state's
28:44
protection and find methods to protect themselves outside of
28:47
the state. But I guess it's like the same
28:49
idea with gun ownership another thing.
28:51
So, and honestly, I don't know if and I've started to notice
28:57
that pattern too, Was it really always about power?
29:02
And I know that there. I know I have liberal friends
29:05
that, you know, you know, Progressive bitcoiners, shout
29:08
out to them, you know? So it's not a monolith, right?
29:12
But Bitcoin does have a tendency of exposing people's incentives,
29:17
right? Yeah.
29:19
And again, it's not a monolith and I'm sure there's people, you
29:22
know, on the more conservative right side that, you know, hate
29:26
Bitcoin for the same reasons. But Why do you think that is?
29:31
What was it? It was it hijacking Noble causes
29:35
in order to achieve certain goals and then just kind of
29:40
Bitcoin exposes the incentives. Like for example, I'll give you
29:44
an example because there are there are democratic there are,
29:46
you know, like Senator gillibrand that signed up with
29:49
Senator Senator, Senator lummis. So I just want to emphasize,
29:52
it's not monolithic, but for the case of Elizabeth Warren, right?
29:56
You know. Supposedly Elizabeth Warren was
29:58
is for The little guy, you know, because that's what, you know,
30:03
that whole that's her whole platform, right?
30:05
She was, she was behind, you know, the Wall Street movement.
30:08
And then, if you look at her biggest donors happens to be the
30:13
same people. And if she supposed to be for
30:17
the little guy, right, Bitcoin is the savior because it
30:22
protects the little guy from the ravages of inflation.
30:25
And inflation is the worst thing that could happen.
30:29
Happen to the lower and middle classes that don't have the
30:32
means to save in assets, right? They save and earn and cash,
30:37
right? They just get stolen from like,
30:39
you know, and they're just kind of like whatever and then the
30:43
Biden bill, right? And again not to be guys you
30:47
guys know the drill weird deal were neutral and simply Bitcoin.
30:49
I just think it's hilarious. That the that the Biden Bill,
30:53
the infant they literally called it the inflation reduction act
30:57
had language in the bill. Fritz it more funny.
31:03
So like how does that work? Dude, it's just so ridiculous
31:06
that this point, these people are politicians because they
31:09
weren't going to be successful at other things, you know, like
31:12
that. That's the same reason why they
31:14
prostitute out our Republic to collect all ours for themselves.
31:17
So they can get reelected because they can't make that
31:20
money on their own. They don't have that ability.
31:22
So like in my mind like these are all pretty like mid.
31:26
Witty. Kind of people who like think
31:27
they're Geniuses and I'm like that's Ey were on the precipice
31:31
of the largest financial catastrophe that that looks like
31:35
a never. And like these people don't see
31:38
it coming, it's the same reason why the people of the FED were
31:41
telling us not to worry about inflation in 2021.
31:45
It's like it's all part of this General absurdity where their
31:49
egos are and who Burris is so great.
31:52
At this point in time that like they can't even self-reflect in
31:55
any meaningful way. And again this kind of brings us
31:58
back full circle like That's what fucking evil is like.
32:02
It has no ability to be able to self reflect on what's before
32:06
them. Like, all they can do is do
32:09
their shitty reasoning. That grapples to a bunch of
32:12
different authoritarian ideas and mashes it together and some
32:15
fucked-up puzzle that doesn't work.
32:17
And like that's why the world such a cluster fuck you know and
32:20
and it all ties back to the fact of that like we operate from a
32:24
place where truth is not about the process of unveiling, what
32:28
the truth is. It's about Authoritarian,
32:30
decrees that people believe to be true.
32:32
And so, Elizabeth Warren does believe she's for the little guy
32:36
and has good reasons for why she takes money from the big bank
32:39
and why she has to fly on her private jet to environmental
32:43
conditions. Like, I don't know what to say,
32:46
like fuck these people, they're evil.
32:48
They like they can't think we can't reason with them and like
32:51
again like I am not interested in a pressing or hurting them.
32:55
I just want to let the fuck alone like I don't want anything
32:57
to do with you. I don't want to share in a
32:59
republic with you. Want to be part of political
33:00
organization with you. I don't want to believe the
33:02
bullshit that you tell me about voting.
33:04
Makes it different. Absolutely fucked voting.
33:06
It makes no difference. Whatsoever is the world today
33:08
different than it was before fucking November 6 or whatever
33:11
bullshit know. So like it's all a product of
33:16
this remedial mid Widow that gets celebrated in a consumerist
33:21
world where you have to believe that.
33:24
You know, we can have a money that can be printed to infinity
33:27
and hold its value. So does that so does that?
33:31
And again, kind of, you know, going back to like are in the
33:36
very beginning of our conversation, that type of
33:39
thinking is only enabled with a Fiat money printer.
33:45
If they didn't have a Fiat money, printer, the economic
33:50
reality of that type of thinking would hit them so hard.
33:54
That it would just, you know, Jordan Peterson's is awesome
33:57
line, right? Which is he says, you Could Bend
33:59
reality, you know, very far and you know, you can get away with
34:05
it for a long time but eventually that thing snaps back
34:09
right, right. Right back in its place.
34:12
Are we in the process of this? You know, as human beings were
34:16
kind of, you know, we're mortal and we in the grand scheme of
34:19
things, we don't live very long, are we just in this process of,
34:24
you know, the theory of the great, the theory of the fourth
34:26
turning, which I'm a big fan and of Are, you know, weak men,
34:30
created Hard Times, Hard Times grid strongmen times greater
34:34
good. Are we in this kind of entire
34:38
time? Where we can have created
34:41
strong, tie mean hard times and we're in the process of those
34:44
hard times and then those Hard Times your breeding hardcore,
34:48
Bitcoin Maxis that are fighting the we're at the start of hard
34:53
times, you know, like this is this is the beginning of a 20
34:56
year cycle, in my opinion in addition to like It's not just
34:59
the the Turning Cycles but like there's like four or five
35:03
different cycles that are all like all lining up right now
35:05
which has me pretty convinced that like we're actually at the
35:07
end of the Kali Yuga cycle which is like where we get the
35:11
farthest away that we possibly can from truth Ethiopia and that
35:15
like now we're passing that Midnight Hour.
35:18
We're like Bitcoin is just the tiniest glimmer of light from
35:22
the new dawn that will be established as we move towards
35:26
it. You know and it it's pretty
35:28
powerful and revolutionary. Generic is also like when we're
35:30
now talking about setting up a social contract for all of the
35:35
future forever. Like this is for all of
35:38
humanity, that isn't even here, yet the future ones, you know,
35:41
and I think realizing the true task before us to establish an
35:47
inductive the money for all of humanity to me, like this is
35:50
where shit starts to get really wild.
35:52
And that like I do actually believe that the spiritual path,
35:54
like I think this is a literally, I'm a cyanic power.
35:57
That was delivered to us. Yes.
35:59
But you know, like I think Satoshi whomever or whatever he
36:02
was had a spiritual experience that unveiled what Bitcoin was
36:08
to him so he could just create it and do it, you know, the way
36:11
that he presented it. So magnificently inartfully
36:15
like, I personally believe that he he is the greatest artist who
36:19
ever lived because of the way he presents his art, so
36:22
exceptionally and the way that he also descends into his own
36:27
name as being a legitimate. And that created only one piece
36:31
of art and then vanished from the world to make it the most
36:33
valuable thing that's ever existed.
36:36
Like my God, like what a profound action of creating
36:41
truth in the world? 100% it.
36:43
Did he it? And he anchors that.
36:47
Be a proof of work, right? It ain't yes.
36:50
Bitcoin to the to the, to the reality to the realm, right to
36:55
the to meet space, when what he did is just As Prometheus told
37:00
fire from their gods, to give it to man for Freedom Satoshi.
37:04
Stoled the new Fire electricity data and gave that to humanity
37:10
to free us as well from the old gods you know?
37:13
And and it's profound because like the what this means for
37:17
Humanity and the potentiality going forward means that like we
37:20
can truly live, we can exist privately and for ourselves and
37:25
ourselves alone. Not to be entities controlled
37:27
and owned by governments. Subjects but truly self
37:30
Sovereign individuals who own themselves.
37:34
Their Futures and dignify one another and saying I love and
37:38
respect you enough to recognize that you need to have Bitcoin as
37:41
your core money and if Bitcoin isn't your core money you you're
37:44
likely my enemy. It's not to say it's clear but
37:47
if you're not using Bitcoin I ought to be suspicious of you
37:50
and want you know, me like this is what cryptos about is don't
37:54
come to me with your bullshit that you're promising.
37:57
If you have real value to offer, Over, tell me about it and I do
38:00
think that there are projects out there that that can do that.
38:03
But prove yourself to me, I'm uninterested in your dialogue
38:08
about what that could be, you know?
38:10
And, and I think particular in the world that we're going into,
38:13
you know, like, I don't want to be Orthodox whole about
38:16
rejecting people. I think everybody has flirted
38:19
with shit coronary and I also think a lot of people aren't
38:21
sure coronary for good and Noble reasons that hopefully, after
38:25
they get absolutely hammered fucking wrecked on something
38:28
that they will go. Okay, this is why bitcoiners
38:31
were saying that come to our side.
38:33
What I help you, we need more allies, you know, bring bring
38:35
your knowledge, bring your Pursuit.
38:37
But remember why you're here, and why you got wrecked.
38:40
So, I think that's just an important part to remember
38:43
because where we're going, we need all the Allies that we can
38:46
get 100%. So let's talk about that, right?
38:50
Let's talk about that world that I'm 100% sure.
38:54
You read the sovereign individual.
38:57
What's that world? I'd going to look like well
38:59
familiar with it but I didn't read it.
39:01
Okay. Interesting.
39:04
But I know and I was who did I say this with oh is Matt Hill.
39:08
Co-star nine yesterday. Bitcoiners all kind of reach.
39:14
We all take different paths and different roads but we
39:18
inevitably come to very similar conclusion in all this, right?
39:21
This is very the fact that you can.
39:23
Memorize 12 words your mind and you could store millions
39:26
billions trillions of dollars without the fear of debasement
39:29
or censorship fundamentally changes.
39:31
The relationship between individuals in the state.
39:35
That's it, that's all you need to know.
39:37
That's literally one that has like meta physical significance.
39:41
Our world like that. That that is something truly
39:44
extraordinary because like now we're talking about the actual
39:47
Transcendence of statism, which as we can tell is an extremely
39:52
pernicious disease. That has pushed out its young
39:54
parallelism everywhere and I'm like, it's very important to
39:58
understand that like, there are 6 billion people in the world
40:01
that live on pretty much fucking nothing because of the other two
40:04
billion like this isn't, this is a very, very clear and dynamic
40:08
relationship that most people are unaware of, and it's because
40:11
of, Of how the Fiat monetary system works.
40:13
It was great to see the prime minister of Italy recently
40:15
pointing out the fucking Montero colonialism that France keeps,
40:19
you know, half of Africa, under it's sickening.
40:22
And like the these are the same people that come and try to
40:25
lecture us about why voting is good, why their bill needs to
40:28
pass when they need to give more money to other people, you know,
40:31
I'm like again. And, again, I have to point out
40:33
like, these people are just liars and like, and it's not
40:36
because they're missing tension. It's because they actually
40:38
believe what they're saying because they're fucking stupid.
40:41
I'm like, I'm not trying to sit over here and say that we're
40:43
smart, but we're not as fucking, I'm as they are because we can
40:47
see through that, at least, say to ourselves.
40:49
Well shit. This doesn't make any fucking
40:50
sense and they go. What you did shut up and just do
40:54
what we say. Dude.
40:57
And then my favorite, my favorite line is is democracy
41:03
democracy. This democracy that democracy,
41:05
that's democracy that. And they say it with the most
41:08
Insidious and Sinister intentions because they know
41:11
they could manipulate a good portion of the population with
41:15
the free money, right? Which we know isn't free?
41:19
So, of course, they're fans. Would of course, they're fans of
41:21
democracy would be do dumbass. For such a fan of democracy.
41:26
Well, I fucked him former prisoners, get the vote.
41:28
What about all the other illegal people that in the country,
41:30
won't they get that? Like, there's so many fucking
41:32
disjunctions here and look, including like, what if we just
41:35
vote to kill a small class of people?
41:36
Like, how about that point? Just vote in genocide, you know,
41:39
like it's important to remember like Hitler was fucking elected,
41:42
you know. Like it's he didn't just like
41:43
rolling the power be like, haha, excuse power, know that people
41:46
really liked what he was saying and it's important to remember
41:49
that like these things don't like all these genocides.
41:53
It wasn't just like I wonder who Showed up and started shooting
41:56
people know, like there's like a long chain of history that
41:59
logically has people come to these conclusions where they go.
42:02
Well yeah maybe we should actually kill small population
42:04
of people and the question is is you're that guy that they're
42:08
saying Hey fuck him, kill him and take a shit.
42:10
What are you going to fucking do?
42:11
Are you going to be fucked and find that?
42:13
You're one of the many people that were killed?
42:14
And another one of these genocides or we actually have 12
42:17
words in your head. So we cross border and they
42:20
steal all the shit from you and maybe review that you'd least
42:23
get out to the other fucking side and you have some way.
42:25
To rebuild your life, you know, and I don't know like we live in
42:30
fucking Bizarro world and I think that it's insane to me
42:33
that you can't look at what Bitcoin is and and like, put
42:38
those things together, I don't know.
42:39
I think I've just been hanging out down here too long.
42:41
You know, and so like other bit Corner show up, they're like hey
42:44
like how's life in the ride home?
42:46
Look what what? Oh well it's still in here it
42:50
gets so bad that you start to like for example, I My Fiat
42:56
friends. I like I grew up with a lot of
42:57
them and you know but they're operating on a totally different
43:04
operating system, man. There's yeah, I'll go back to
43:08
like, I don't know man. Like I've been here for a while
43:11
and watch this. It is a really bizarre thing,
43:16
you know, because like I wasn't a woo and I was like pretty, you
43:20
know, like like agnostic for a long time there and like, Being
43:25
part of what's going on here has really changed me in a pretty
43:30
radical way. And at first I was just like,
43:31
well, I'm kind of crazy like me, this is just my own shit, but
43:34
then like I need all these other people who are like, yeah, I
43:37
like discovered Bitcoin in like lost my fucking mind.
43:40
Now, like, building all this cool stuff and like if it
43:44
happened like three or four times maybe but like after like
43:47
after like the Bitcoin 20/20 conference just like you know,
43:53
It's almost like I'm running like some kind of a confessional
43:56
where, like, people, you know, I'm like, I know other people
43:57
that have this, this to where, like, people share their crazy
44:01
Bitcoin story with you, I'm like, why it's so meaningful to
44:04
them and again like living in a post Niles to Hell's Gate like
44:08
the rediscovery of the truth of being, you know, that like we
44:13
are our own higher power and that we can come to rescue
44:16
ourselves like is like that's the fundamental event where we
44:20
rescue ourselves from the nihilistic. he'll that seems to
44:25
be destroying us 100% And like one of the one of the try I said
44:31
this at Pacific Bitcoin to like one one of the tragedies is that
44:36
people continue to seek a political solution and that's
44:42
never going to fix anything. The incentives will never be
44:44
aligned as long as the people that you're supposedly voting
44:49
into positions of Power are also the people benefiting from the
44:53
free money, right? So they'll never be incentivized
44:57
to to go against their interest their own power, right?
45:03
Why would they do that? You know.
45:04
So, like if it really, the only conclusion that I've reached
45:09
Eric is You just have to opt out like that.
45:14
That's how we're actually going to effectuate change in this
45:17
situation and it's very simple, just take your Bitcoin, put into
45:23
cold storage and that defunds them like they need you.
45:28
And that's what that's what they don't tell you, right?
45:30
It's that they made. They need it's because if they
45:32
they're like this vampire and they need to suck your life
45:36
force, really? Because that's what inflation
45:39
really does. But what if 20%, 30% of the
45:43
population said, no, it would collapse under its own weight.
45:48
They couldn't pay for things. Yeah, I mean, my most recent
45:51
article that was in this most recent Bitcoin magazine like
45:57
it's called the political and that's what this is about.
45:59
Like Bitcoin is the political because it's beyond politics.
46:03
Like this is something that truly changes the world and a
46:06
revolutionary and meaningful way.
46:08
And it's something that like, only you can do, you know, like
46:11
this. This door to Freedom is meant
46:14
for you alone. You know, and I'm like and it's
46:18
not it's not for the old heart like you said at the beginning
46:21
of this we've watched seventy percent of our net worth
46:24
evaporate, you know. And like my response is like do
46:27
another fucking 70% if it gets rid of all these goddamn shills
46:31
and finance boys because fuck them like I'm completely
46:34
uninterested in sharing the space with them.
46:36
Like if you get that there's something more revolutionary
46:39
going on here. Great.
46:41
But it seems like you just Fucked up a lot of this for us
46:43
with all this unwanted leverage and bullshit of of not holding
46:47
your keys, which is great that now that there is the idea of
46:51
not your keys not recording has become so ReSound, engaging loud
46:55
that it cannot be denied anymore and to me like this is truly
46:59
what the political is. It is the discovery that holding
47:02
your money as a self. Sovereign, individual unlocks, a
47:06
totally new world where people are actually self Sovereign in a
47:10
meaningful way and the State is limited in a meaningful way
47:13
because I like look the the the money supply has shrunk 23
47:17
percent and this is the worst Global recession that's ever
47:20
happened. You get four percent of the
47:23
global population on bitcoin everything collapses and like
47:28
does this mean and are absolutely and to be clear
47:31
Anarchy does not mean chaos, it's the restoration of real
47:34
order and that's a world that I'm excited to see coming to
47:38
fruition. So let's use the last part of
47:42
The show we have about 15, 20 minutes left.
47:45
Let's talk about that world, right.
47:48
Because I for example, Eric, I have a hard time picturing that
47:53
world because I don't think it's ever existed before, there's
47:57
always been a sovereign. There's always been a state,
48:00
right? The Romans did the same thing,
48:02
they debase the currency, right? They did a literally the exact
48:06
same thing. So I don't think we've ever been
48:10
lived in a society where Where even the poorest individual, has
48:16
the ability to earn and keep all his property.
48:20
What will that world look like? And how will that change the
48:24
relationship between stated in the vigil, of course, sovereign
48:27
individual makes the case. And I know and look, guys, the
48:30
reality is, there's two types of Utopias, right?
48:33
There's the collectivist Utopia, right?
48:35
Which is we're all equal, you know, it to each, you know, to
48:40
each benefit, whatever that saying.
48:41
Is Right? According to our own teach
48:43
according to their need. There we go.
48:44
Thank you Eric. And there's a Libertarian
48:47
Utopia, right? And both are fucking Utopias
48:51
both her knock real. I mean there's a reason that
48:54
anarchism and communism were one point in time, a single movement
48:58
and it was only after Mark said presented The Communist
49:01
Manifesto that the leader of the anarchist faction back, who
49:04
showed up against it? The fuck is this nonsense?
49:07
Well, you were, we're gonna have like a dictatorship of the
49:10
proletariat to let you know. I throw that the state right
49:13
Back at Ya fucking moron with, like we're absolutely against
49:17
the state. Like we, this can't be done with
49:19
the state anyway, fucking dipshit.
49:21
And so, at that point, they split directions and Anarchist,
49:24
kind of, became its own scattered movement.
49:27
And like, I think what we're moving into is going to look
49:29
much more like anarcho-syndicalism, which is a
49:31
movement that we've seen successful in places like
49:33
revolutionary Spain. But the other is that like the
49:38
tools that we have for like, waging a partisan War, Like on
49:42
Guerrilla fronts, it's so fucking powerful because like
49:44
not only do we have all these Advanced forms of cryptography
49:47
but like with 3D weapons printing like the the cost to be
49:51
a build on a standing militia becomes marginal compared to
49:57
what it used to be. Not to mention you have now
50:00
broken, all those chains in the supply line process, that made
50:03
it so difficult that like You can literally start up your own
50:08
weapons. Manufacturing area with just a
50:10
couple 3D printers and a little bit of know-how, you know?
50:14
So like all of this changes the world in a very, very radical
50:18
way, like you said that we haven't ever seen before.
50:20
And so, like trying to predict to any of it to me is so far out
50:24
of it and like, I don't and that's one of the reasons why
50:26
when people look what comes after democracy, like, I don't
50:29
know. Like we don't, we don't have the
50:31
answer that question yet and we have to allow for the clearing
50:34
of the Open to truly present itself to see what what we need,
50:38
you know, because like the other thing is is like it's clear that
50:41
there's a crisis on all sorts of fronts, you know, most
50:44
particularly on the food front. We really need to keep ourselves
50:48
focused and figured out like how do we feed a world that the
50:51
population that it is? How do we provide for ourselves?
50:54
And how do we get all these chemicals and shit out of our
50:56
food? Which hopefully this all
50:58
provides a solution towards and I think it will but you know
51:03
it's fascinating because because, At the end of the day,
51:09
there are going to be people in charge.
51:11
There are going to be people in power, right.
51:13
The question is, is it Is it going to be based on
51:19
productivity? Right?
51:21
Because I really think that's what Bitcoin does on a
51:24
fundamental level, right? It did it insulates.
51:26
The free market insulates individuals from politics.
51:30
So, if it insulates individuals from politics and it allows the
51:35
free market to determined the best.
51:38
You know, the most efficient most effective is it going to be
51:44
the productive class in power in In, is it going to be them?
51:51
And how will that look like right and then what will the
51:55
ungodly octave clot? Yeah, go ahead.
51:58
I wouldn't even call it the unproductive class because like
52:00
this is all, this is all related to that educational thing.
52:03
So like the literally, like what's going to happen is that
52:07
like a free market solution is going to like punished and
52:10
re-educate people accordingly because like look like even the
52:13
dumbest of people can like figure out how a free market
52:16
works. It's like I have an apple tree
52:18
like people like apples or like gather the apples and like sell
52:21
them like check it out. Like I have a business, like,
52:23
I'm productive, but that's not hard, you know?
52:26
And it's only with a pernicious of Fiat that like the the idea
52:29
of free handouts of having of the superiority of capital over
52:35
labor. You know, like all of these
52:38
things are going at normalized and again because Satoshi being
52:40
the perfect artist. He likes use this form of money
52:43
like into the true potentiality of work IE and Energy, you know,
52:47
and hopefully like this unlocks a deflationary spiral that
52:51
allows for us to essentially start producing more energy
52:54
that. Then now that we have access to
52:56
cheap energy, we start new manufacturing process.
52:58
New manufacturing processes, discovered that lowers the cost
53:01
of building this thing. We now shitloads of more energy.
53:03
We can produce more energy and you know I'm like it just keeps
53:06
you going until like now we have these hyper rail cannons that we
53:09
can like use to shoot shit in the space for like five
53:12
satoshi's each and 2021 you know or in 2121 man.
53:17
Anne. I really like the way that you
53:21
put that because it's Again, it is all kind of comes back to the
53:29
broken incentives caused by Fiat.
53:33
So, do you think it's possible in, you know, under a bit coin
53:37
set, have you ever seen the series, The expanse?
53:41
Yassuh Sci-Fi series? Okay?
53:43
So it is a great show. And do you see how Earth is kind
53:49
of their, interpretation of the future of Earth?
53:52
It's just what a One World Government run by the United.
53:54
Knighted Nations and the employee unemployment rate is
53:57
like 40 percent in under a Bitcoin world with Hyper Bitcoin
54:03
ization. Buddy, when you you get, are you
54:09
familiar with the Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
54:13
Moon is a Harsh Mistress. No, I have not heard that
54:15
expression. It's like, I had felt like an
54:17
anarchist Colony, like that forms on the moon and like it's
54:20
fucking hard life. And like I look like I think
54:23
like the next hundred years is going to be like pretty rough
54:26
and screwed up. And that like, on and that like,
54:29
like this. All essentially, like, goes
54:30
into, like, an insane. Like hyper Civil War that
54:34
involves like Humanity against, like, AI communist robots, and
54:38
shit. And look at all literally
54:39
becomes astrological like it's going to be fucking batshit
54:42
crazy. Don't mean that like Angels and
54:44
Demons come flying down, but like will literally be dealing
54:48
with, like, the soul of humanity and whether or not, like, man
54:51
gets to, like, be a free individual, who like uses
54:54
Bitcoin, or if like, he's going to be like a gift transhuman
54:58
slave. That is like, genetically
55:00
modified to be like a week cattle that like, plugs himself
55:04
into their Matrix that like, Jack step up with fucking
55:06
dopamine and shit. And like is literally incapable
55:09
of having aggressive thought, you know, like, like that's how
55:12
fucking I'm crazy and fucked up. This place goes because like
55:16
sorry like that's just like what's in the cards and I think
55:19
after that I think stuff going to get like pretty cool.
55:22
And like you know now everybody has like all these small
55:25
communal Farms that like, you know, the Drone Wars are over
55:29
and I've been like fundamentally forbidden like that technology
55:31
doesn't happen anymore. And that like all of the a eyes,
55:34
like, walled off into, like, cryptographic kuyper is of some
55:38
kind. Like, I don't fucking know, but
55:40
like it's going to be like, it's definitely going to be Like the
55:43
craziest cypherpunk future that we could have like never
55:46
imagined even when thinking about, so the world that we grew
55:51
up in, right, 1990s? 1980s, right early 2000s, right?
55:58
That that vision of of, of American Life, It's gone, right?
56:06
This is it was a good is a good 40, 50 years.
56:09
I guess I mean it was called The American Dream because like a
56:12
literally was like a phantom of Court Vision that we got from
56:17
living on a Fiat standard that imperialize, the rest of the
56:20
world, you know? And like that's too bad cause
56:23
like Fuki Auto is right. Like we were at the end of
56:26
history and like we could have totally like taking the ring of
56:29
power and like hooked it into the volcano.
56:42
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. But, and I said this, the Matt
56:53
Hill yesterday, man were the founding fathers fucking smart,
56:58
bro, like the fact that they figure it out the First
57:02
Amendment and the Second Amendment, and they put them
57:06
where they Put them just tells me that their experience would
57:10
tyranny was so bad that they were just like yeah, we're going
57:15
to put these number one and number two just to make goddamn
57:18
sure that even if they take power, you know, it makes it
57:23
incredibly difficult for them to to keep it, right?
57:27
Because it's been kind of ingrained in people in the
57:32
United States and that's something that I really
57:34
appreciate, you know. I'm a first-generation immigrant
57:37
man. I came from a country that fell
57:39
to collectivism you know Venezuela and you come to United
57:43
States and look people don't appreciate the freedom they have
57:50
here but there is a there is this free spirit that I think
57:56
even as big as the administrative State some people
58:00
call it. The Deep state has been due to
58:03
the unlimited power of the Fiat money printer.
58:06
Think that American Spirit for freedom and you know, the
58:11
pursuit of Excellence entrepreneurship and
58:13
Independence, I don't think that thing could be killed man and I
58:17
think that Bitcoin is going to unleash it and I can't wait for
58:22
that. And I know, you know what, maybe
58:24
it's naive of Me, Maybe it's stupid of me but I still haven't
58:28
lost. Hope in in the US and an America
58:33
look like americanism fuck, yeah.
58:36
Like And I think Americans are some of the most entrepreneurial
58:40
thoughtful and different sort of thinking of people because of
58:44
that Heritage that we've had like it, you know, even though
58:48
we are at the end of a long chain of abuses, particularly
58:52
internationally and, you know, in the last 70 years, more more
58:55
localized. T of what americanism is and
59:00
what it represents is like a really important feature that I
59:02
do think pulling that up from its very roots, In Father's
59:07
representative, what they said. And like, by the way, you like,
59:09
Oh The Federalist Papers where they debated about the
59:12
Constitution, like those were wrote by literal fucking anons
59:15
at the time like they wrote Under pseudonyms it wasn't like
59:18
I'm Jim Madison. No, because like they knew what
59:20
their writing was you know, like a pretty contentious thing.
59:24
So they needed to have what they said speak for itself and that's
59:28
really important in light of what's going on because like
59:31
those are the same debates that we're having now.
59:34
And what I really see with Bitcoin is like There's an
59:37
opportunity to be able to truly spread that Spirit of what
59:42
americanism can be in. A deepest sense of what it is,
59:48
through the means of Bitcoin, which essentially is kind of
59:50
this this new Manifest Destiny. This new opportunity.
59:54
Yes, buddy to colonize the digital together and to utilize
59:58
that as an anchor point for them to liberate themselves from the
1:00:01
Fiat hell which eventually does become our world, you know.
1:00:05
And then hopefully in like the 2200 like our great grandchild
1:00:08
will be like, God, did you know that my granddad?
1:00:11
He was part of class of 2015 will be like holy shit right
1:00:15
now. The Constitution was written.
1:00:17
Like, I know, I know. Yeah.
1:00:20
It's like, you're like so do you like you?
1:00:24
You'll be like a thing that happened that we had.
1:00:33
We had to go to the Bitcoin priests and get the key issue
1:00:36
resolved. But eventually we are able to
1:00:38
divvy up the fortune in a meaningful way, with a hefty
1:00:41
donation to the church. And this guy's like I felt like
1:00:45
the next form of corruption like is that they'll be like a
1:00:48
Satoshi Church where like people pass from private keys to help
1:00:51
facilitate death events and other things but they'll be Um,
1:00:54
corrupt to, at some point. I can't wait for the the, you
1:00:58
know, have portraits of like, Washington, you know, Madison
1:01:02
and Benjamin Franklin and all that.
1:01:04
I really believe that, you know, the bitcoiners class of 2013
1:01:09
class of 2017 class of 2020, I think, you know, and all our
1:01:15
families houses are going to have to be the first Stocker and
1:01:20
I just have a request. I kind of want to look like
1:01:22
those old school paintings, man. Like I want it to be like an oil
1:01:25
painting and, you know, like serious face and I don't know.
1:01:29
What would you prefer what you want like modern?
1:01:32
Yeah, no. I'll get a, I'll get a nice oil
1:01:37
painting of myself overlooking overlooking the coast but you
1:01:40
know, I'm like maybe like there's like a private Keith
1:01:43
like wrote deeply in there. For one of my I'm gonna like
1:01:46
make all these like fucked up puzzles for my hands but Grandpa
1:01:50
quesadillas like shitloads of Bitcoin and he like made these
1:01:53
crazy. Like a lot of times.
1:02:02
Oh man, I really enjoyed this man.
1:02:05
This was a yes, quite a journey down the rabbit hole.
1:02:10
Thank you so much for for coming on.
1:02:13
Where can people find you? And what are you working on now
1:02:17
day? Best way to find me is just my
1:02:21
Twitter handle are casein, Eric with a k, then you'll be able to
1:02:25
find a link. Hopefully, I have a website
1:02:28
called crypto sovereignty dot-org, where have a bunch of
1:02:31
essays on philosophy and social commentary on bitcoin published
1:02:35
which we are now. I'm working Bitcoin magazine to
1:02:37
make it into a book. So I should have a book release
1:02:39
next year. Yeah.
1:02:42
And now I'm actually working on the reason that I'm publishing
1:02:44
this book is because I'm working on my second book, which is
1:02:48
really a Adaptation of Heidegger's event, according to
1:02:51
bitcoin. Because essentially I think
1:02:52
Bitcoin is the event and using Heidegger's.
1:02:56
Concourse I thought I think that there's a really good method to
1:02:59
be able to present about like why people keep having this
1:03:03
crazy experience that transforms their life through the coin,
1:03:09
which I think like is the event of people coming to The Logical
1:03:14
conclusion of like what is the only way you can?
1:03:18
Achieve soft sovereignty like in our world which again, I'm
1:03:22
comes. The then absolutely.
1:03:25
Man. I'm really excited for that
1:03:26
work. Eric I appreciate you coming on,
1:03:29
man. Thank you so much.
1:03:31
Yeah, he's backstage. Well, wrap this up.
1:03:33
Thanks, man. All right, but you backstage for
1:03:35
a second, while wrap this up, guys.
1:03:39
I will be back tomorrow at my girlfriend's place, so I will
1:03:43
have working internet. I'm sorry that the internet went
1:03:46
down, at my house, will be back. Regular Show 12:15 p.m.
1:03:50
Eastern Standard time. I'm going to roll out the
1:03:53
credits and I will see you guys tomorrow.