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Gerrymandering to victory in the 2026 midterms? · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:03
  Well, the Virginia Supreme Court rules against Democrats redistricting in the Commonwealth.
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  And the extent of gerrymandarin by both Democrats and Republicans highlights the intense battle shaping up for the 2026 midterms.
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  White House reporter for the Washington Times, Jeff Mordoc weighs in on the political battles and Trump's counterterrorism strategy to target left-wing groups in America.
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  It is Malcolm Out Loud here, and welcome to the broadcast.
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  My fellow Americans and uh as the midterms of Revanov here, you see the gerrymandarin has been a pretty much an all-out war.
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  You know, if this is any indication right now in the pre-fight, imagine what it's going to be like come November, as there's a lot of jockeying going on, both on the left and the right.
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  It's it's different this time.
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  It's a little a little weird, a little interesting, but but odd as well how that's all working out.
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  Virginia is the latest.
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  That uh wow, that was a big decision.
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  We'll talk about that today as well.
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  And uh, you know, another story that you may not have been following or know much about, but it is interesting.
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  You know how when Biden was in office, he he went after the right wing groups, and that was a big how-to-do, and it's a tit for tat now because that's what's happening in the Trump administration going after the left wing.
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  And there's a little more to that story we'll touch on as well.
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  Lots of geopolitical stuff today, as always, with the Middle East happening and uh Russia is uh some things happening with Russia we'll talk about a little bit later in the broadcast.
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  Uh, we got that China trip coming up.
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  That is gonna be huge.
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  We've got experts on China coming up later on the broadcast.
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  So uh going to start here with a gentleman.
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  It's been quite a while, but just a privilege to have him on here, and that is Jeff Mordoc is here.
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  Uh, he is an award-winning White House reporter for the Washington Times, which is a great publication.
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  He's a graduate of uh George Washington University, and uh Jeff, it is awesome to have you here, brother, brother.
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  Thank you for having me.
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  So listen, let me uh start here where where's where I usually do it, 30,000 feet, and the gerrymandarin that's going on, it's a little different this time.
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  I haven't seen this to this level in prior, you know, elections.
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  And it just kind of indicates to me that this is really being revved up.
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  They both the left and the right understand the stakes of this uh midterm election, is what it says.
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  So here's the thing.
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  With the level of gerrymandarin that's happening right now between the Dems and the and the GOP, what do you think?
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  Does it does this to you indicate the battle ahead in the 2026 midterms?
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  What do you make of it?
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  Oh, it absolutely um absolutely shows how brutal and bruising the midterms are going to be this year.
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  You have both parties basically trying to pick their voters instead of having voters pick a party, uh, which will, you know, is a complete reversal of what we're used to by having these districts be changed and reformed.
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  And it's really a problem on both sides, it's really a problem on both sides of the aisle.
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  Because what you've basically what you're doing now is you're creating you're moving these districts into ways that people who want to stay in power, whether you're a Democrat or Republican, you're trying to do so by picking the kind of people who will come out for you.
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  And in the end, we all kind of lose because we're not picking the best candidate anymore.
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  And and it's just frustrating to see.
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  And we've got, you know, what happened in Virginia.
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  Um, it's kind of interesting because I don't think a lot of people expected that uh Virginia Supreme Court decision.
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  Totally right now, people are picking an ideology.
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  You're you're right.
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  They're picking exactly that.
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  They're not looking at the can in other words, they're looking right over the candidates, which really means that in many cases you're going to get crappy candidates in there on uh on either side, uh, because they're looking more at that ideology.
• 4:51
  That's that's not a good uh it's not a good thing, is it?
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  Well, and and let me explain to you how we got here.
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  So if you look at if you look at the house seats um that are up in this primary, all the you know, you experts in polls, it looks like maybe fewer than one out of every ten house seats is going to have a competitive election in November.
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  So what that means is it shifts the politics of the primaries, and in the primaries, the parties are battling for their fringes.
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  So that's sort of where people are going with the ideology, and then that's why we get these candidates in a lot of ways, it sidelines the middle ground.
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  And when you sideline the middle ground, that makes it harder for Congress to function.
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  It's look at all of the people, especially on the Democratic party, Abigail Spanberger, Barack Obama, people who were very much opposed to uh gerrymandering and redistricting that have come out and support it and really went to bat for this in Virginia, which shows that this is more reflecting of people trying to pick an ideology and stick with that ideology than candidates that you know, candidates who always oppose this are now loving it.
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  This caught everybody flat footed.
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  The left and the right were shocked at this that the Virginia Supreme Court was a close decision, but they overturned the state's redistrict and referendum, which of course they had put to the voters, but they went about it incorrectly.
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  Uh, and this would have netted them uh at least four seats.
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  It really would have taken the whole state and put it in the uh blue column.
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  Uh it was a pretty big deal coming into the this uh election here at the midterms.
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  Uh I was surprised they even went that far, Spanberger.
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  You know, it you know what surprises me, Jeff?
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  How big of a turn Virginia is taking from uh when uh the previous administration is to Spanberger right now.
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  Uh this is a major shift that she's trying to do here in Virginia.
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  But she's trying to take it from purple uh to uh pr pretty strong blue, you know.
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  Well, I see Virginia it it's kind of one of those states like New York, where if you look at Arlington, Alexandria, that's heavy blue, and that's so populated, it's drowning out the red portions of the of the state.
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  out the red portions of the of of the state, the Roanoke.
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  The roll note.
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  Norfolk, even though that's a major city, has so much military, that tends to tilt red.
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  Norfolk, even though that's a major city, has so much military that tends to tilt red.
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  And it's like New York, where you have sort of the people who live in New York City are the minority relative to the state, but there's so many of them that they just outnumber everybody else.
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  And it's like New York, where you have sort of the people who live in New York City are the minority relative to the state, but there's so many of them that they just outnumber everybody else.
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  And it's why the state is becoming increasingly blue.
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  And it's why the state is becoming increasingly blue, because people are the population in the Arlington, Alexandria, Washington, D.C.
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  Because people are the population in the Arlington, Alexandria, Washington, DC suburbs just keeps growing.
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  suburbs just keeps growing.
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  I live in Maryland, for example, and Maryland has always been left and we've always had um the large number of the DC suburbs.
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  Virginia and Maryland now there's basically no difference.
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  Virginia was always the more conservative of the two states.
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  I don't see much of a difference now in terms of taxes, in terms of policies, in terms of anything else.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, the the lines are blurred up there for sure.
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  Now politico uh is um it says here uh let's see Democrats led in part by housing minority leader Hakeem Jeffries who following the Virginia ballot measures passage declared maximum warfare.
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  Now those are the words he's used that has got a lot of ear waves and the president has spoken out about that.
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  Heffries seems like he's getting far more aggressive than he ever was.
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  He was never this kind I mean have you seen his personality change the way I have yes uh I I could not agree with you more on that and I think it shows one the pressure he's under I think it shows the pressure he's under from the far left within his party also I think it shows how worried and I don't think this is the Democrat issue how worried and aggressive both sides are being because of the midterms and that we're seeing such a um such rhetoric on both sides because they are trying they are they they need to bring everything out for these midterms these midterms are that important.
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  I mean it's going to really shift the dynamic of this country it's one of the more important midterm elections I've seen in my lifetime.
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  It is it is well because it's it's either going to cut the Trump administration's power in half they'll cut it off at the knees right there if they take it if they take the Congress back they'll do you'll see the the first four years of that administration don't you think you're going to see that again in the last two years of Trump they'll they'll try everything won't they?
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  Right.
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  Well it's it's a one they'll thwart his agenda uh and the other thing is they'll gum the administration up with so many subpoenas and investigations and obviously impeachments on the table.
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  They're going to do all of that and it's going to make it impossible to govern.
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  So when the president does try to govern they're going to block it but they're also going to prevent him from even trying to govern by just flooding the zone with as many investigations as possible.
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  Yeah yeah Ben there done that uh and I think people got tired of that.
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  Hopefully Americans see the game here that's going to be played here.
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  All right so with this Virginia thing right now the only leg that they're trying to do here which I think this is and I want to hear from what you think but it seems like a real long stretch here but they're trying now to uh appeal to the United States Supreme Court.
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  Now this is of course a state issue uh I don't know I don't do you think that could play him it doesn't sound like there's any stand on there for a federal case or do you think it could I I don't see the standing here.
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  I mean I think the uh the Virginia Supreme Court was pretty explicit.
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  The only thing with the Virginia Supreme Court is that they didn't really decide this on its merits.
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  They sort of did an unarrest uh an end around by focusing on the timing of the measure and what the Constitution requires in terms of having it passed twice by the legislature.
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  So I I don't see it because I think it's pretty explicit but there's nothing stopping Virginia from trying to go back do this again and then have themselves in position for 2028 or 2030.
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  That's that's kind of uh a concern but they would they would miss the midterm obviously which is their goal right now as you just stated how important this election is but yeah in fact uh I you I can pretty well assure you they're going to go in and do something for 2028.
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  I mean exactly yeah yeah there's no doubt and they'll and they'll try to do it right this time constitutionally so that passes muster of course here.
• 11:06
  All right uh it's going to be interesting here with all of this said when you look at uh Texas you see what happened in Louisiana California Florida now and you see all of this going on with the states jockeying right now for power in position it seem now let me just ask you it seems that right now as we speak here the Republicans seem to have gotten the edge now especially getting shot down in Virginia but we see some of the other states and they seem to be they might pick out another I don't know could be pretty 10 could be 10, 12, 14 seats could be in play right now that come more to that side but there are still experts that are telling me that they still think the left is going to take the house no matter what and if that's the case that means they would have been a uh uh a a Trunkson uh if they had kept all these others and this didn't happen how do you see this do you think the Republicans still have uh a good shot to keep it or do you think it's a foregone conclusion Jeff I don't think it's a foregone conclusion um and the reason for that is this Virginia decision by the Virginia Supreme Court this really sets back the Democrats um and it takes a lot of seats off and with what's been done in some of the rad states in terms of redistricting it puts Republicans in position to flip 14 seats across six states and possibly pick up four more in the southern states uh and that's a really big advantage for the Republicans however we see historically which as you know when there's such outrage against the party in power every midterm it is so hard regardless whether it's a Democrat or Republican it is so hard for that party to maintain their seats right however however Trump has has his has bent back every historic norm he he actually tends to be victor in I I mean it's just pretty incredible how he has changed Washington upside down I agree and the other thing is I also the polls I'm a little suspect of that you see polls with his terrible approval rating um terrible approval ratings on the Iran war terrible approval ratings on the economy he he polls much better than the he than the poll show you know like the 2024 elections a great example you looked at the polls he was not going to do well that was a uh decisive victory he scored and he's historically done that historically he's outperformed polls well isn't that because they set the polls up at I mean polls can be as crooked as hell and isn't that because they've set them up that way accordingly especially with Trump what they're trying to do is feed the public persona um this is going to be fascinating this this midterms it really really is going to be one of the most interesting midterm elections in 2026 and what's really spectacular about it Jeff is it comes right after our 250th uh birthday as a nation which is remarkable our semi quincentennial uh this very other interesting story which you did a very good piece on uh on the at the Washington Times here White House uh counterterrorism strategy to target left wing groups transgender ideology now the president in an in his inaugural address came out and made the theme common sense he he pushed so far back and DEI and woke agenda like nobody's business and I for one and about everybody I know never thought he would have any success uh of to the level of what he's had because they were pretty far down the road yet he has had a lot of success
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  In times here, White House counterterrorism strategy to target left wing groups, transgender ideology.
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  Now, the president in an in his inaugural address came out and made the theme common sense.
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  He he pushed so far back on DEI and woke agenda like nobody's business.
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  And I, for one, and about everybody I know never thought he would have any success uh to the level of what he's had because they were pretty far down the road.
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  Yet he has had a lot of success.
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  Well, it doesn't look like he's done at this point.
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  He's now calling the president is for a national counterterrorism strategy, calling for more aggressive steps to crack down on left wing violence, which is of course the Antifa, uh, the the radical gender ideology, all this trans stuff, the woke, uh it's it's all there.
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  And he it's also, as you point out, it's a 180 degree turn from the Biden administration, which they called out the other side, I remember.
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  So I guess it's a tit for tat game, isn't it?
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  It really is, and it's kind of interesting because I was looking for um some Democrat left wing responses to what the administration to what this administration is doing and cracking down on these left-wing groups.
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  And what struck me is in the responses, the people who've come out for the responses, nobody did not seem to deny this was a problem uh on the left, which I found interesting because that's exactly what I thought we would see.
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  Instead, sort of what they said is well, why are they ignoring the right?
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  This is a problem on the right.
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  Why are they ignoring the right?
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  Um, and and I thought that was kind of interesting.
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  That shows how this is becoming a tit for tat issue, as you said, um, and a very another thing that's becoming extremely politicized, and we really can't be politicizing domestic terrorism.
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  But that's exactly what we're doing here.
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  Yeah, the Biden administration going after Catholic churches.
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  Um you know, and that's that's really something that needs to be bipartisan for the sake of this country, and we can't get there.
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  You know, what what you just said is uh it's just it echoes in my ears.
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  I hope people picked up on that.
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  What we can't uh politicize domestic terrorism.
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  Well, I got news for you about everything's on the menu when it comes to political power right now, Jeff.
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  So true.
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  I'm not sure anything matters at this point to these cats, you know.
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  Uh but but we can't, you know, this is something we've all got to the it's why some of this stuff continues, because we've politicized it so much.
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  That's right.
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  No, you're 100% right, 100% right.
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  And uh it continues on though.
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  Nothing seems to be off guard and safeguarded anymore.
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  Uh, and it's not it's not about country anymore at this point.
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  If it ever was, I guess at some point, maybe after things like 9 11, uh there was a time, a little brief time.
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  But other than that, these two political parties uh they they pretty well duke it out.
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  And and and I think the shift in all these political parties has got people uncomfortable with the radical left and the way they have really swallowed the Democrat Party whole.
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  And and the Republican Party has changed a great deal as well.
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  Both of these parties over the past 10 years have dramatically changed.
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  Don't you agree?
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  Oh, 100%.
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  They've got, and it goes back to what we were talking about earlier when I was saying, you know, with these gerrymandering that's going on in the redistricting, you know, what we have is it creates a situation where we've got the primaries, and the primaries are where we've got people trying to appeal to the fringe of both parties.
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  And it's leading more people who are more partisan, less willing to compromise, more willing to um be aggressive for their ideology to Congress, which goes back to why we can't get anything done.
• 17:31
  I I I think um I I think it goes right back to what the the segment we had earlier.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, we don't play as a team anymore.
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  That's for darn sure.
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  Uh there's no way.
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  Uh an American team I'm speaking about, you know.
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  That that just doesn't happen much.
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  Uh, you um you mentioned I want to touch real quick uh quick on this.
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  Uh you you you noted it, and I a lot of people may not have seen this here, but that uh we'll talk a little bit more later about Russia, there's some other interesting stories happening there.
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  But there's a three-day ceasefire right now, which you reported on that I think has been overlooked.
• 18:02
  In fact, quite frankly, Jeff, the entire Russia Ukraine thing has been uh very uh they're not getting any uh airtime anymore.
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  No one talks about that war at all.
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  Nobody talks about what's going on, very, very little coverage anymore, very little, because the focus all is on the Middle East, isn't it?
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  Yet there's a three-day ceasefire right now that Trump is hold uh uh hoping and that it will move into something bigger.
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  Is that just a wish list, or do you think we're anywhere on this thing?
• 18:27
  I think it's a wish list, and I think it's a wish list because the only reason we even got Russia to agree to the ceasefire is because they don't want to overshadow uh Victory Day, which is this weekend, which is the anniversary of them um playing a role in the Allied victories in World War II.
• 18:44
  And that is a very big deal in the Soviet Union, or excuse me, that's a very big deal in Russia celebrating that what the Soviet Union did to defeat Nazi Germany.
• 18:52
  You know, we we just the um Russian Russia president Vladimir Putin doesn't want to talk to Ukrainian president Vladimir Zelensky.
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  And I don't know how you can get a peace deal when you've got two sides who aren't willing to really talk.
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  Even the ceasefire was hammered out through Russia and the U.S.
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  It was not, you know, Ukraine wasn't really involved.
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  And that makes it extremely difficult, I believe, to come up with a more permanent solution to this war.
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  Uh you know, three days is a victory.
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  Also, we've had ceasefires in the past, and both sides have violated the ceasefires.
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  So that's also a concern.
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  How is this going to hold?
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  The ceasefire started Saturday, so we still have two, you know, some time to see how this plays out.
• 19:36
  Yeah, yeah.
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  We'll see what happens here as we as we move forward here.
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  Let's let's bring it to uh a head here with this um uh Rubio is getting just incredible coverage right now, Marco Rubio.
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  He has been.
• 19:49
  I mean, I gotta tell you, Jeff, uh you think back over the last uh several administrations.
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  This is about as as I can recall now, a this is about as powerful as the Secretary of State as I can recall in recent times, and one that has gotten uh because they usually sour a bit, uh they don't stay as hot as this one has.
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  Marco Rubio has played this thing like amazingly.
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  And no matter what the president throws at him, he steps up to the challenge, and his star continues to shine.
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  And now he had said he won't run in 2028 if uh Vance is, which was very surprising.
• 20:27
  You don't normally see that in uh the in an administration like that.
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  But it did come out and say that.
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  Now people are really trying to edge him forward to run.
• 20:35
  Everything is about timing in there.
• 20:37
  But uh, I wanted to touch on the fact, get your thoughts on what I just said, and also his visit to the Vatican with Pope Leo.
• 20:44
  Well, I I he he is definitely becoming the lead candidate.
• 20:49
  I I agree, it's very interesting that he came out and said that.
• 20:52
  2028 is a long time from now, especially in politics.
• 20:56
  Uh, who knows what kind of world we're looking at in 2028?
• 20:59
  Uh, his stock is rising, it's rising faster than Vance's stock is rising, and that does put him in position.
• 21:00
  Uh his stock is rising.
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  It's rising faster than Vance's stock is rising.
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  And that does put him in position.
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  And the other thing to keep in mind is we've not seen Trump really endorse an heir to the MAGA, you know, he to the to the MAGA brand.
• 21:06
  And the other thing to keep in mind is we've not seen Trump really endorse an heir to the MAGA, you know, he to the to the MAGA brand.
• 21:14
  He's talked about Vance.
• 21:14
  He's talked about Vance, uh, Donald Trump Jr.
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  Uh Donald Trump Jr.
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  has been thrown out as a possibility for a political candidate.
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  has been thrown out as a possibility for a political candidate.
• 21:20
  He's restarting The Apprentice, which, you know, helped President Trump launch his presidential campaign.
• 21:20
  He's restarting the apprentice, which you know, helped President Trump launch his presidential campaign.
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  Um, so we'll see where this goes.
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  Um we'll see where this goes.
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  I
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  I I do think it's interesting that he is starting to become the favorite over Vance.
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  Um but we'll see.
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  And you know, people say a lot of things in politics.
• 21:37
  We'll see where they stand in 2028.
• 21:39
  Right.
• 21:39
  I didn't anticipate that either, frankly.
• 21:41
  I thought he was going to lay back a little bit.
• 21:43
  Everything is time in as to when your star is rising and when you run.
• 21:46
  And DeSantis found that out uh in 2024 and 2023 when he announced his candidacy.
• 21:52
  Both my wife and I looked at each other and said, wrong time.
• 21:56
  Uh he he should have stayed out of it.
• 21:57
  DeSantis, because his star was rising, but it wasn't the right time with Trump in that race.
• 22:02
  And sure enough, we were right, and and DeSantis was wrong.
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  And he paid the price for that, because it does tarnish you a bit when you have a fail and campaign like that in the way that he had.
• 22:13
  Uh that's why I think what Rubio does or doesn't is very, very key right now, whether he ever makes it to the Oval Office or not, don't you think?
• 22:22
  Well, to your point about how timing is everything.
• 22:25
  The reason um Rubio has shot forward um for as a leading candidate for 2028, is his White House briefing room performance.
• 22:36
  There are questions that have been asked of President Trump where we've been uh with the Iran war, where we've been getting conflicting responses.
• 22:44
  You know, he'll do an interview with one outlet, the same day he'll do an interview with another outlet and contradict what he said in the first interview.
• 22:50
  And what you had with Rubio that day was consistent answers, uh, explanations, um, a more articulate reasoning being expressed than we've gotten for the president.
• 23:03
  And I think a lot of people found that refreshing that he seemed to have a clearer perspective.
• 23:09
  I I think with the president, I don't think it's that he lacks perspective.
• 23:12
  I think sometimes he just wants to answer the question in front of him and doesn't want to answer it immediately and doesn't take the moment to think and that to think what he should say, and that results in these contradictory, often conflicting answers.
• 23:28
  We did not get that from Rubio, and I think um I think a lot of people found that refreshing, and I think that is kind of what pushed him forward a little bit.
• 23:37
  There's also a persona when it comes to Vance and Rubio, where uh Trump, I I've seen you've probably seen this maybe as well, but backstories on the fact that that relationship and the intimacy of the uh vice president president has sort of um tarnished a little bit here, uh, which is not surprising with Trump.
• 23:58
  It's very hard to stay in his favor for very long.
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  I mean, he's a demanding figure, an historical figure on the world stage.
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  And uh you see the turnover in the first administration.
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  This one he's been pretty steady up until the recent uh times here, but you're gonna have turnover in a cabinet like this no matter what.
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  So I I think it is interesting, and and yet he seems to be uh symbiotic with Rubio.
• 24:19
  Rubio's always got his back.
• 24:21
  He says the right things at the right time.
• 24:23
  Uh, I get the impression.
• 24:25
  Do you get it as well that Vance is losing a little favor?
• 24:27
  And I've even heard people say, by the way, Jeff, that Trump is sort of uh this may not be the right word, but uh sort of sabotaging the relationship a little bit intentionally so because he doesn't want him to be the president.
• 24:39
  Have you seen anything like that?
• 24:40
  Uh I've not seen anything like that.
• 24:42
  Although I do agree the relationship has severed.
• 24:45
  We haven't seen them have lunch in a while.
• 24:46
  They used to be frequently lunch between the two of them was on the president's schedule.
• 24:51
  We have not seen that too much.
• 24:53
  Um, we also saw that they kind of relegated Vance to promote the one big beautiful bill.
• 24:58
  And Vance was going across the country and talking about the benefits of that and how voters can benefit from it.
• 25:05
  We haven't seen him do that in a while.
• 25:07
  It seems like things have been taking off, been taken off Vance's plate.
• 25:11
  Uh, at the same time, I think there was one of the reasons why I think there was a lot of tension too, is Vance's lead PR person was the son of Tucker Carlson, who has soured on the president and the president has soured on him.
• 25:24
  I I think some of that, and he actually um Tucker Carlson's son actually had decided to step down in December.
• 25:30
  They kept him on till March.
• 25:31
  He was kind of a lame duck.
• 25:33
  So I think that's kind of hurt that nobody in the administration has wanted to deal with him, and that's kind of left Vance sort of out there.
• 25:40
  But we don't see Vance having the high profile stuff that he had a year ago, but also compared to Marco Rubio.
• 25:47
  You know, we're talking about Rubio visiting with the Pope.
• 25:50
  Things are incredibly tense right now between the Vatican and Washington.
• 25:54
  And I know it's part of his role as Secretary of State, but it was widely viewed that Rubio was the best person to go and try and smooth things over with the Pope.
• 26:02
  And also Italian Prime Minister Giorgio Milani, who has uh gotten a little tense with the president after they used to have a much more cordial relationship.
• 26:11
  Yeah, a lot of those European countries uh are being challenged right now.
• 26:14
  Spain, look at what's happened there with the president for sure, have soured great, even the UK, uh, really tough, really tough stuff.
• 26:20
  We'll talk a little bit about Europe a little later in the broadcast.
• 26:23
  But Jeff, uh, let me tell folks here now to uh visit you.
• 26:26
  Uh in fact, we're gonna put links of his stories, is an excellent journalist, and uh put some of them in this post when it goes to podcast Sunday afternoon to so you can go read up on Jeff and see what he's talking about on some of these things here.
• 26:38
  And uh Jeff, uh real pleasure to have you here on Viewpoint this Sunday, sir.
• 26:43
  Thank you for joining us.
• 26:44
  Thank you.
• 26:44
  Thank you for asking me to come on.
• 26:46
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• 30:07
  Welcome back to the broadcast here.
• 30:09
  And uh going to quite a bit of geopolitical here.
• 30:11
  Some interesting twists and turns here, though, on the stories for sure.
• 30:15
  So some of this you're you're not would would not have heard before, I believe.
• 30:19
  So we'll we'll do that.
• 30:20
  But two, but just uh awesome gentlemen coming on.
• 30:23
  Yeah, I was just telling them they're gentlemen.
• 30:25
  I said two gentlemen, but it's actually three with me, right?
• 30:28
  Uh, but to two awesome gentlemen here.
• 30:30
  And uh the first is uh uh IQ Al Razuli, and um he is an Iraqi exile, Arabic speaker, scholar, author, and uh analyst who follows all these geopolitical stories very closely, and he is out of Europe and uh just a great voice and uh dear friend, been with me a long time, a long time.
• 30:50
  And another gentleman, such great respect for both of these gentlemen, Wallace Garneau is here.
• 30:54
  He's a political analyst and commentator, served on the U.S.
• 30:58
  Marine Corps, author of the book, The Way Forward, Lean Leadership and Systems Thinking for Large and Small Business.
• 31:04
  Like to get that in there.
• 31:05
  As host of Cutting Through the Chaos, by the way, as well.
• 31:07
  9 a.m.
• 31:08
  Eastern time, Saturday and Sunday.
• 31:10
  And uh Wallace's brings a different vibe to the conversation because he's he's a big thinker, thinks offside the lines a bit.
• 31:16
  As IQ does as well, they both thought.
• 31:18
  And IQ, by the way, has that trilogy uh series of books.
• 31:21
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• 31:23
  Look these guys up, please, and and look at their stuff.
• 31:26
  And uh it's it's a good thing to do that.
• 31:28
  I want to start with the blockades, gentlemen.
• 31:31
  And um Reuters has a report, uh, Tehran uh could withstand blockade for four months.
• 31:38
  CIA report shows as fight and fleers.
• 31:42
  Let me just read you this little ditty here.
• 31:44
  A CIA assessment indicated that Iran would not suffer severe economic pressure from a U.S.
• 31:50
  blockade of Iranian ports for about another four months.
• 31:53
  Uh now this was this surprised a few people, maybe.
• 31:56
  Uh, but you know, they're gonna hold in as long as they can.
• 31:59
  Uh, they're okay with suffering and people die, and that's not a problem for them, obviously.
• 32:04
  Um, but um this report suggested that the U.S.
• 32:07
  leverage over Tehran remains limited as the two sides seek to end a conflict uh that has been unpopular with, of course, U.S.
• 32:14
  voters, and that's what they're hoping for out there for the regime just to stay alive would be some sort of a quasi victory for them, most people believe.
• 32:22
  And uh there's an argument about these reports in the CIA, uh, but they are they are there.
• 32:28
  Some people are saying they're false, the information and all.
• 32:30
  Uh let me get your view on that.
• 32:32
  Wally, I'll bring you on first, yeah, Wallace Garnot.
• 32:35
  And um, tell me this report here, uh, where this could stretch on and on.
• 32:38
  And we we know their makeup, but what do you what do you think about that report, please?
• 32:42
  We've already had a regime change when uh the current, I forget the guy's name, but when the current Ayatollah, who might not even be alive, was elected by the Mulas.
• 32:51
  Uh the IRGC was in the room with guns at the back of the heads of all of the mullahs, telling them you're gonna vote for this guy whether you like him or not.
• 32:59
  So the IRGC is already changed the regime in Iran.
• 33:03
  It's no longer uh a true theocracy.
• 33:06
  It's now a military terrorist junta.
• 33:08
  And uh, you know, it's not a better regime than it was before, but it's also not the same regime as it was before.
• 33:13
  So we've already had regime change.
• 33:15
  What we need is we need another regime change.
• 33:17
  And I've been preaching about the need to bomb Iran for like 20 years now.
• 33:21
  So I could not be happier that we are finally engaging with uh with the problem of Iran at some point potentially becoming a nuclear power after they've spent 47 years saying that they're gonna destroy Israel and the United States.
• 33:34
  I mean, they call nuclear weapons the sword of Allah and uh the the uh Quran says to spread Islam by the sword.
• 33:43
  So I take that very seriously.
• 33:45
  And you know, what I was when I was in the Marine Corps, they taught us, you know, somebody says they're gonna hit you in the face, you don't wait for them to hit you, you strike.
• 33:53
  So I'm I'm very, very much in favor of us dealing with the Iranian regime.
• 33:57
  I say if they're gonna last four months, we bomb them for five.
• 34:00
  Yeah.
• 34:00
  So I don't have any problem with that.
• 34:03
  This is this is the right war at the right time.
• 34:05
  This is the most just war we have had in my lifetime.
• 34:09
  I say keep going.
• 34:10
  Wow, wow, that's a hell of an analysis that you put out there.
• 34:13
  Now, do you would you keep that view, Wally, real brief here, but keep that view if it was risking the midterm elections.
• 34:20
  If this goes on too much longer, it will do that for sure.
• 34:23
  Uh, do you still keep that view if it's gonna cut the administration in half and and they lose in uh November?
• 34:29
  One of the great things about having a statesman instead of a politician as present is he's not really all that worried about the midterms.
• 34:35
  What he's thinking about is do we want to have this war before or after a jihadist with a minivan takes out a few major American cities?
• 34:42
  Yeah.
• 34:42
  Yeah, gotcha.
• 34:43
  I think that's exactly the attitude we have to have.
• 34:46
  Do you want to have this conversation before or after New York gets gets good?
• 34:49
  You know, I Iran does not need to have missiles that can attack the United States.
• 34:53
  They said they could have 11 nuclear weapons in about seven, or they could start to, they said they could have the materials to build set of 11 nuclear weapons in seven days.
• 35:00
  Nuclear weapons in seven days.
• 35:01
  Right.
• 35:02
  And if they ship 11 of them to the United States, are we going to get them all of the port or is some of them going to get on minivans?
• 35:02
  And uh if they ship 11 of them to the United States, are we going to get them all of the port or is some of them going to get on minivans?
• 35:07
  Yeah, yeah.
• 35:07
  Yeah, yeah.
• 35:08
  Well, you know, you put out a lot there.
• 35:08
  Well, you know, you put out a lot there.
• 35:11
  I I can already hear uh IQ uh coming on here because you you've got this lit up pretty well.
• 35:11
  I I can already hear uh IQ uh coming on here because you you've got this lit up pretty well.
• 35:16
  And you know, IQ, uh back to what Wallace Garnot was saying there.
• 35:16
  And you know, IQ, uh back to what Wallace Garnot is saying there.
• 35:21
  I mean, he's just delivered quite an analysis uh that I imagine you may agree with most of it, if not all, possibly.
• 35:21
  I mean, he's just delivered quite an analysis uh that I imagine you may agree with most of it, if not all, possibly.
• 35:27
  However, however, there are
• 35:27
  However, however, there are many people.
• 35:30
  There is a division within the Republican Party, America First MAGA, and a big division on America out loud, frankly, and you guys see it if you watching the top stories in the news here.
• 35:40
  Uh there's a split, probably 50-50 on this network, in fact, for those who think this is a bad war at the wrong time, and uh we should not be doing it since Trump was a non-interventionist and said no foreign wars, but Wally puts out a great statement there and says, well, here's the flip side of that.
• 35:55
  Um talks about a G jihad and a minivan, quite fascinating.
• 35:58
  Uh, how do you take from that story and talk about this blockade and the CIA report of uh could be four months or more?
• 36:05
  You know they're gonna hold on forever.
• 36:07
  So that's for damn sure.
• 36:11
  TIA has always been regularly wrong in their estimates.
• 36:16
  They were wrong on every nuclear estimate, whether it was China, Israel, or Russia.
• 36:22
  They are always wrong because their figures are always wrong.
• 36:25
  I don't know where they get it from, but they are wrong.
• 36:28
  At the moment millions of liters of oil are being smuggled from Iran on motorcycles.
• 36:37
  Are you listening?
• 36:38
  Motorcycles all the way to Pakistan.
• 36:41
  Why?
• 36:42
  Because the liters of oil in Iran are cheaper than the liters of oil in Pakistan.
• 36:48
  So it's a business deal.
• 36:50
  Millions of them are being smuggled across the border to Pakistan.
• 36:55
  Haven't heard that one.
• 36:56
  They have no water to drink, very little water.
• 36:59
  Their reservoirs are gone, their rivers are gone, food is not coming in, food is not being exported.
• 37:07
  So how are they going to live another four months?
• 37:09
  I've no idea.
• 37:10
  But let's assume they can.
• 37:12
  Okay.
• 37:12
  The question is exactly the same as Wallace said.
• 37:17
  Do you want to have an atom bomb and then think about attacking them?
• 37:23
  Or do you want to negate them the ability to have an atom bomb in the first place?
• 37:29
  I honestly believe, and I agree.
• 37:31
  Donald Trump will risk the midterm elections, but will not allow the regime to have an atom bomb.
• 37:40
  Right.
• 37:41
  And I agree with him 100%.
• 37:42
  All right.
• 37:43
  This regime should not exist at all.
• 37:46
  Yeah.
• 37:46
  Yeah.
• 37:46
  Now, uh the other point, IQ, to stay with you on here is that uh as Wallace points out, uh, the the power has fallen to the IRGC.
• 37:56
  It was always going to be that way.
• 37:57
  They are they are the ones who carry the the water for this thing.
• 38:01
  It was always going to be that way.
• 38:03
  And so that's not a surprise at all.
• 38:05
  Uh but what did you think about that comment when he said in there with the election and all of that and and with the power now struggle and the regime change to the IRGC, more of a uh military movement now.
• 38:17
  Let me tell you this.
• 38:19
  The legitimacy of the Iranian mullahs was they are the mulda's.
• 38:25
  They are the religious institutions.
• 38:27
  The IRGC is a military institution, it's not a religious institution.
• 38:32
  So now the IRGC should have lost the entirety of the religious Muslims in Iran.
• 38:41
  Because they are not the representative of the Imam.
• 38:45
  I don't know if you think about it, but you've got to think about it.
• 38:48
  They are secular.
• 38:50
  The military are secular.
• 38:52
  They are not the religious leaders.
• 38:55
  The elegants of the whole of Iran was at the time with the religious leaders, because the religious leaders were supposed to be the ones who are representing al-Mahdi.
• 39:07
  When the IRGC took over everything, it became a military institution, not a religious institution.
• 39:17
  Right.
• 39:18
  I don't know.
• 39:18
  The CIA took that into Cosmo.
• 39:21
  Well, hold on.
• 39:21
  So with what you say right there, stop a minute, IQ, with what you say right there, just explain to listeners, please.
• 39:29
  It's just simple terms.
• 39:30
  How important is that, what you just said, back to the religious to the military?
• 39:35
  How important is that right now, please?
• 39:39
  As far as Shia Islam is concerned, the Mahdi, the missing imam, the Messiah of the Shia Islam, will only come up and make Isla Shia Islam dominant in the whole world is when the Mulla are in control, not when the military are in control.
• 40:03
  This is a religious war.
• 40:05
  It's not a secular war.
• 40:07
  And the minute the military took over the IRGC, the legitimacy of the religious group is gone.
• 40:15
  Yeah, okay.
• 40:16
  All right.
• 40:17
  All right.
• 40:18
  Interesting and a significant point to point point that out exactly.
• 40:22
  Wallace, let me get you back here a moment on the on the mic.
• 40:25
  And uh this idea that uh China trip is coming up very quick here.
• 40:30
  Now I want to talk about this uh with both of you here um in a big way here.
• 40:35
  Uh I my guess is now Xi Jinping and Trump will be uh in a in a room now and talking here just this next week.
• 40:42
  This is a trip that was uh postponed.
• 40:45
  Uh it sounds like it looks like it is gonna come off.
• 40:47
  It's kind of hard to keep postponing a trip of this magnitude.
• 40:50
  Uh it there's a big business component to this as well with the deals and all of that and corporate corporate CEOs and all coming on there.
• 40:58
  But uh it doesn't seem like Trump is going to go too long with this.
• 41:01
  When we talk about the CIE report, let me also make sure we get this out there.
• 41:05
  We talk about four months, five minutes.
• 41:06
  I'm not sure it's even gonna come anywhere close to that, because I think Trump is going to be in Xi Jinping's ear, and there's gonna be some movement here for them, I think, to come hard back on the IRGC in Iran.
• 41:20
  Something's got to give there.
• 41:22
  And uh the Reuters is just reporting here late Saturday and Sunday morning that this thing is going nowhere, and uh the the there's you can't believe anything they're gonna say or do.
• 41:31
  So what what what are the options for Trump?
• 41:33
  Does he lay the hammer down as as many like you with the belief that you have, say finish them off, finish them off, be done with it, get rid of the next level regime and and crush them?
• 41:42
  Or uh do you think Xi Jinping gets involved in this in some way?
• 41:45
  What do you say?
• 41:46
  Uh between uh Iran and Argentina, you're talking about 20% of the oil that uh that that China gets.
• 41:54
  Uh you can't survive if you lose a fifth of the oil that your country brings in.
• 41:58
  I mean, that the economic toll of that is is tremendous.
• 42:00
  Toll of that is tremendous.
• 42:02
  So, in in many ways, Zhai Jinping's regime and uh the Iranian regime are hooked at the at the hip.
• 42:02
  So, in in many ways, Zhai Jinping's regime and uh the Iranian regime are hooked at the at the hip.
• 42:10
  If one goes down, the other one could go down.
• 42:10
  If one goes down, the other one could go down.
• 42:12
  Trump's got a lot of options because he's got a lot of leverage.
• 42:12
  Trump's got a lot of options because he's got a lot of leverage.
• 42:14
  One is we can help the Chinese regime.
• 42:14
  One is we can help the Chinese regime, we can help the Chinese Communist Party uh get past that because now we have control over the Argentina oil, and also now we're doing 85 billion or 85 million barrels of oil a year ourselves.
• 42:17
  We can help the Chinese Communist Party get past that, because now we have control over the Argentina oil, and also now we're doing 85 billion or 85 million barrels of oil a year ourselves.
• 42:28
  So we can help China.
• 42:28
  So we can help China a tremendous amount.
• 42:31
  Of course, we would want concessions if we did that.
• 42:33
  You're not going to take on Taiwan.
• 42:35
  You know, I don't know what the what all concessions Trump would ask for, but he's got a tremendous amount of leverage if he wants to do that.
• 42:40
  The other one is you've got control over Argentina's oil.
• 42:44
  We're doing 85 million barrels of oil a year.
• 42:46
  We don't have to ship it to China.
• 42:48
  We're going to soon have, at some point, we'll have control over Iran's oil as long as we just stick it out, whether it's four months, five months, eight months, whatever it takes.
• 42:55
  We win this war if we want to.
• 42:57
  So we what we will have control over Iran's oil, and they can't ship to China right now anyway, except as uh IQ said on motorcycle through Pakistan.
• 43:06
  So we've got China over a barrel, and uh if we want China's regime, if we want the communist party in China to fall, this is a pretty good time to help that happen.
• 43:17
  All right.
• 43:17
  How long in your estimization, Wallace, does uh right from this weekend now.
• 43:22
  If you were to look at this, what's your crystal ball say uh with all these scenarios?
• 43:27
  How long does this Middle East go on before it does come to that climatic end?
• 43:31
  Well what what's your guess?
• 43:33
  Ironically, I think that if we ended the war right now and told Iran, we're sorry, we're done, we're gonna stop bombing you, let's just go back to normalcy.
• 43:40
  I think the Iranian regime would still fall.
• 43:43
  The problem is I'm about 80% sure that the Iranian regime would fall in that case, and I think we need to be a hundred percent sure.
• 43:49
  I think it could last a few months.
• 43:50
  I think the what I would focus on is getting internet access into Iran so the Iranian people can communicate again.
• 43:57
  Because what IQ was talking about, this is no longer a theocracy.
• 44:01
  That's huge.
• 44:01
  Iran had about 15% support according to polls of their own populace.
• 44:06
  Those were the hardcore Iranian, uh Iranian Shias uh that wanted the regime to stand, that wanted the Mula system and then supported.
• 44:14
  Now, if you get the information out that the IRGC is in control, that it's no longer a theocracy.
• 44:19
  They go from 15% support to zero uh percent support overnight.
• 44:24
  And uh there have been some bombings against the IRGC that have not been reported very thoroughly in the middle in the in the in the media.
• 44:30
  There's been at least one that was a fairly large bombing of an IRGC compound that was done by the Iranian people.
• 44:36
  I don't think that's the 85% that wanted the Mulas out.
• 44:40
  I think that's the 15% that uh our religious fanatics that uh will not support the IRGC without the Mullah system on top of it.
• 44:48
  So you think most of the damage has you're just eloquent, and uh that most of the damage has been done.
• 44:54
  You're saying uh and you're that's where you feel like this has been a tremendous victory already, no matter what happens, is what you're saying, basically.
• 45:03
  Uh, and that damage is severe.
• 45:04
  And the fact that they're no longer theocracy is to say about a military enterprise that's interesting.
• 45:09
  Um let me just uh stay on that point one moment.
• 45:12
  IQ, do you agree with that?
• 45:13
  That's interesting.
• 45:14
  Uh Wally saying their damage is so severe.
• 45:17
  And I don't think a lot of people suggest in this right now.
• 45:19
  So I let me clarify.
• 45:21
  Yeah, I don't think that the military damage has been anywhere near as severe as what we have said.
• 45:25
  I think they have more missiles than we said that we the we like to say they have, I think they have more drones that we like to.
• 45:30
  I think they still have more teeth than we want to admit.
• 45:33
  Economically, though, Iran was not in a very strong position even before the war.
• 45:36
  The bombing has made the their economy's toast.
• 45:39
  They have no economy.
• 45:40
  And if they can't ship oil, they have even less of an they're toast, but it's not, it's it's that we haven't destroyed them militarily, we've destroyed them economically.
• 45:47
  Yeah, and then they were destroyed economically before we even started.
• 45:50
  Yeah, what you're saying is accurate.
• 45:52
  What you're saying is uh I cute pickup on that.
• 45:54
  What do you what do you think about this?
• 45:55
  Uh this point.
• 45:57
  Well, all I can believe.
• 45:59
  Trump should start the war tomorrow and finish the job.
• 46:04
  This regime must not stay.
• 46:07
  It must be exterminated.
• 46:10
  And when they start the war, they can literally send aircraft dropping by parachute, guns, machine guns, grenades, anti-tank weapons to the Iranian people.
• 46:25
  They can do that.
• 46:26
  They know exactly how to do it.
• 46:28
  None of the CIA, but they know how to do it.
• 46:31
  I have absolutely no doubt about it.
• 46:33
  It can be done.
• 46:34
  IQ, if the if this happens, what you're laying out right now, and if Trump did this, and many think he may, because he has stated that he has been drawing that red line consistently.
• 46:43
  If you don't, there's gonna be a big glow, is his words in the last couple days here.
• 46:48
  There's gonna be a big glow, is what he says now coming out of Iran.
• 46:51
  Now, that could mean a whole lot of things there, but we know what that means.
• 46:55
  And so if that's happening, uh this supposed uh kinetic uh action here, IQ.
• 47:04
  And how does the president sit in China with all that going on with Xi Jinping?
• 47:08
  And now what I want to shift to is they're talking about business deals.
• 47:11
  They're talking about the CEOs he's bringing with him, uh Nvidia, Boeing uh uh on the China trip.
• 47:18
  You've got here a whole bunch of these uh cats are going out with them.
• 47:21
  Uh you've got um uh uh Qual Qualcomm, Blackstone, they're all there, Citigroup, uh the they're all uh a lot of these CEOs are gonna be on their trip.
• 47:31
  So how does that how do you how do you mesh those two, IQ?
• 47:34
  How does that work?
• 47:35
  Malcolm, let me tell you something.
• 47:37
  Donald Trump.
• 47:39
  Unlike every single other politician in Europe which are mentally delased.
• 47:44
  Learn something from the Versailles Treaty.
• 47:47
  Never corner your enemy.
• 47:50
  So that he can destruction destroy you.
• 47:53
  Do not corner your enemy.
• 47:55
  You've got to leave a way out.
• 47:58
  When he goes to China, he will help them with the oil.
• 48:02
  No question about it.
• 48:03
  That will be part of the deal.
• 48:04
  Okay.
• 48:05
  He will explain it to them.
• 48:07
  It doesn't matter if I'm Venezuela or Cuba.
• 48:10
  I will help you out with the oil.
• 48:13
  You are not to support Iran.
• 48:16
  And he will make deals.
• 48:18
  He's a deal maker.
• 48:19
  People keep thinking he's a politician.
• 48:21
  He's not a bloody politician.
• 48:23
  He is a deal maker.
• 48:25
  Okay.
• 48:25
  This is why he is the most hated person in the on the planet by politicians.
• 48:32
  Because he's not one of them.
• 48:33
  Okay.
• 48:34
  He's not one of them.
• 48:35
  They're corrupt.
• 48:36
  There's going to be a lot of uh the backstories I'm reading on this China trip.
• 48:39
  It really is focused on those deals, by the way.
• 48:42
  That's a big part of this coming out of this thing.
• 48:44
  And uh, some Democrats or Republicans are not happy about this at all uh because they don't want to be doing business intimately with China anymore based on all this.
• 48:52
  So it's one of these uh oxymorons, Wallace, uh, that uh you where you keep your enemy close, uh uh you keep him closer than your uh uh your friends, actually.
• 49:00
  Closer than your uh uh your friends, actually.
• 49:02
  Uh that's back to Sunzu, of course.
• 49:02
  Uh that's back to Zunzu, of course.
• 49:04
  I need a real fast comment on this because I need to turn the page.
• 49:04
  I need a real fast comment on this because I need to turn the page.
• 49:07
  So what do you say about that?
• 49:07
  So what do you say about that?
• 49:09
  What I say is that AI is also a big part of that trip.
• 49:09
  What I say is that AI is also a big part of that trip.
• 49:12
  There's uh tremendous amount of Chinese propaganda in the United States trying to get us not to do AI, trying to get us not to have the data centers that are or that AI requires, talking about the electricity usage, the water usage, and what have you.
• 49:12
  There's uh tremendous amount of Chinese propaganda in the United States trying to get us not to do AI, trying to get us not to have the data centers that are that AI requires, talking about the electricity usage, the water usage, and what have you.
• 49:24
  The water usage is similar to that of an office building, so is the electricity.
• 49:24
  The water usage is similar to that of an office building, so is the electricity.
• 49:27
  The electricity use is pretty high, but there's no evidence.
• 49:27
  The electricity use is pretty high, but there's no evidence.
• 49:30
  They can produce their own electricity if we just let them.
• 49:33
  So that's not really an issue.
• 49:34
  We've got plenty of capability of producing electricity, and they can produce their own.
• 49:39
  The reason why we don't want those data centers is because China is telling us not to want those data centers because China wants to surpass us on AI.
• 49:46
  It's the one chance they have to beat us militarily, and of course, they're gonna do everything they can to do that.
• 49:52
  China's views China views us as their enemy, just as Iran does.
• 49:56
  China wants to supplant us as the world superpower, just as Iran does.
• 50:00
  And uh, and uh this is this is large, you know, the companies you mentioned, they're all related to AI.
• 50:07
  So getting China to stop with that propaganda, I think has to be a big part of Trump's of Trump's agenda.
• 50:13
  All right, let me turn over now to uh Moscow to uh Russia and Ukraine.
• 50:16
  The New Yorker had a very interesting piece I want to share with you guys.
• 50:20
  Rumors of instability in Moscow, drone attacks, internet blackouts, and a sudden downturn in the economy have marked one of the worst stretches for Vladimir Putin since the start of the war in Ukraine.
• 50:31
  Indicators that Vladimir Putin's hold on power is in immediate danger, but that the war in Ukraine is beginning to meaningfully transform the country's economy and politics.
• 50:44
  Uh the current tensions begin to appear around the state start of the year when the Kremlin banned restricted most messaging apps, uh, except for the one that had been developed by the state.
• 50:53
  Uh and during the three weeks, uh mobile internet was impeded or shut off in the center of Moscow.
• 50:58
  So they're playing the same games that Iran plays and China plays and so on and so forth.
• 51:02
  It's a crackdown, basically.
• 51:04
  Uh, and so uh IQ, uh, this is a story I want to hear your opinion on.
• 51:08
  Uh the this can't this comes about a shrinking economy, rising costs, tax increases, uh, and all kinds of issues uh going on.
• 51:17
  Then of course, Europe is sour and on Zelensky.
• 51:19
  They're starting to see him as a whiny little bitch.
• 51:22
  Uh, and I've been reading a lot of backstories there with the European countries are uh not really uh Zelensky's getting to be like a tick uh and really irritating people.
• 51:32
  Uh so I want to put that out there as well.
• 51:34
  But this story with the New Yorker was fascinating.
• 51:36
  What what's going on with Putin in Moscow, please?
• 51:39
  Well, Putin definitely is in trouble.
• 51:41
  Maybe this is why in the latest report coming from America that Trump said we are maybe going to achieve an end of the war in the Ukraine.
• 51:53
  When somebody like Putin is losing control, it's best for him to stop the war.
• 52:00
  But he's got to show something for it.
• 52:02
  The question is, will Trump be able to save both his face and Zelinski's face?
• 52:08
  This is the thr this is the issue to save faces.
• 52:12
  Yeah.
• 52:12
  He will.
• 52:13
  Trump, if left to Trump, he will do that.
• 52:16
  Yeah.
• 52:17
  But we'll see.
• 52:17
  But he's in danger.
• 52:19
  Vladimir is on in danger.
• 52:20
  Yeah.
• 52:21
  So you agree with this story then.
• 52:23
  And uh I'm not seeing a lot of reporting on this at all.
• 52:26
  Most of the uh oxygen in the room, uh, Wallace, right now is in the Middle East.
• 52:30
  It is not on uh Ukraine Russia at all.
• 52:33
  It's very limited.
• 52:34
  This report comes at a very interesting time to me.
• 52:37
  Uh, and we've been sensing this actually for a while now.
• 52:40
  What do you see there?
• 52:41
  Uh we had a conversation years ago when the war first started about Putin might have cancer, Putin might be dying, right?
• 52:48
  Might be going crazy.
• 52:49
  Yeah, uh, that turned out not to be entirely true.
• 52:52
  Yeah, this could be more of the it could be true, but it could also be more of the same.
• 52:56
  It could be wishful thinking.
• 52:57
  Uh, I would I would be very, very careful in putting a lot of stock in the information we have coming out on Putin being in in dire danger, uh, because he's always had according to polls very, very strong support among the Russian people.
• 53:09
  And I have not seen anything that would indicate that that has changed.
• 53:12
  My thing is, and we talked about this years ago when the war first started, also.
• 53:16
  This is Russia's last offensive war because their demographics are against them having the people to the military age men to replace the ones that they're losing.
• 53:25
  They don't have they've got the 18 to 20 year olds.
• 53:27
  What they don't have are the 16 and in and 17-year-olds and the 14-year-olds.
• 53:32
  You know, this is their last hurrah.
• 53:34
  Everybody thinks that they're going to invade the rest of Europe.
• 53:36
  With what?
• 53:37
  They don't have uh they're they're their population decline since the end of the Soviet Union.
• 53:42
  The demographics are totally against them having any kind of offensive operations.
• 53:47
  This is their last war.
• 53:48
  They just don't have the people of military age growing up to continue to support offensive operations.
• 53:54
  Well, hell, they've killed a ton of them.
• 53:55
  They've killed a bunch of people.
• 53:56
  It's exactly right.
• 53:57
  They've lost about two million of what they had.
• 53:59
  Terrible, terrible, which is what Trump talks about all the time on these.
• 54:03
  Yeah, it's terrible.
• 54:04
  I mean their demographics are against them being able to ever do anything.
• 54:07
  I think you're right.
• 54:08
  This is their last offensive war.
• 54:10
  Yeah, with both of them, I think it's pretty tough.
• 54:12
  The way they've killed the young the young generations.
• 54:14
  It's it's it's awful, which is what Trump has been very he's he's the only world leader I see outspoken about that point about humanity.
• 54:20
  That should tell everybody a whole lot.
• 54:22
  He's done that from the beginning, by the way.
• 54:24
  It's not a recent soundbite.
• 54:26
  It's been his uh base that he's talked about.
• 54:28
  Um IQ, I want you to listen to this here.
• 54:31
  This is an interesting piece.
• 54:33
  As people listen to the show here on Sunday, you want to.
• 54:35
  This is an article that's up there in op-pad from Wallace Garnot.
• 54:39
  Uh, the title of this, The Pope's Moral Vision Meets Geopolitical Reality.
• 54:43
  And I want to get a soundbite from you, IQ, on this.
• 54:46
  This kind of wraps this whole conversation up in a pretty package here.
• 54:49
  And and Wallace says this.
• 54:51
  The Pope also ignores that the Iranian regime has a 47-year history of promising to wipe Israel from the face of the earth, of making death to America its national chant, and of calling nuclear weapons the sword of Allah from within a religion that insists on spreading itself by the sword.
• 55:09
  And he referenced the Quran.
• 55:10
  The mullahs of Iran hate Christendome and have missiles that can hit uh the Vatican.
• 55:16
  Uh, perhaps the Pope should think about that.
• 55:19
  And he says when the Pope applies individual morality to nation states, he commits a very serious error.
• 55:26
  Well, when he equates Islam to Christianity as morally equal, he commits something much closer to blasphemy, and ironically, it is blasphemy onto as Islam as well.
• 55:35
  Uh IQ, speak about that, please.
• 55:37
  What do you think about that?
• 55:39
  Uh Malcolm, you know, I wrote articles and you published them.
• 55:44
  I accused Pope Francis of being the antichrist.
• 55:49
  And I wrote the article and you published it.
• 55:52
  And I'm doing the same thing with Leo, because he's following in the footsteps of Francis.
• 55:57
  Both of them are ignoring the genocide of Christians in Muslim and African countries.
• 56:00
  Of Christians in Muslim and African countries.
• 56:03
  Both of them speak about open borders while the Vatican has got 40 foot tall walls surrounding it.
• 56:03
  Both of them speak about open open borders while the Vatican has got 40 foot tall walls surrounding it.
• 56:13
  Both of them speak about open borders when they never took a single refugee in the Vatican.
• 56:13
  Both of them speak about open borders when they never took a single refugee in the Vatican.
• 56:19
  The hypocrisy is immense.
• 56:19
  The hypocrisy is immense.
• 56:21
  Yeah, it is.
• 56:21
  Yeah, it is, yeah.
• 56:21
  Yeah.
• 56:22
  And no Pope is supposed to be the spiritual leader of the Catholics, not a political leader.
• 56:23
  The Pope is supposed to be the spiritual leader of the Catholics, not a political leader.
• 56:29
  Yeah.
• 56:29
  Yeah, yeah.
• 56:30
  Not a never should the Pope have entered into the politics.
• 56:34
  They're only spiritual.
• 56:36
  Yeah, right.
• 56:36
  And then this wraps up.
• 56:39
  And the Pope is not alone in making such critical errors.
• 56:42
  In this piece, Wallace points out, which IQ would totally agree with.
• 56:45
  Europe is providing a master class in civil civilizational suicide.
• 56:50
  And there are plenty of Americans who want to follow along.
• 56:53
  Quite fascinating the points that you make here.
• 56:56
  If you want to get a quick comment in Wallace, it's your piece, but I've got 30 seconds left here.
• 57:00
  We're right out of time.
• 57:01
  Tell me.
• 57:01
  Yeah, I think the biggest piece there is that morality on an individual basis and morality in a civilizational basis aren't the same thing.
• 57:08
  You can make moral decisions in your personal life, interacting with individual people.
• 57:12
  If somebody steals from you, you want to forgive them.
• 57:14
  That's a higher that's a very high moral at moral place to take in Christendom.
• 57:19
  But a country can't do that because it invites more thieves, it invites more crimes.
• 57:23
  So countries have to think differently than individuals.
• 57:26
  And one of the big things that Pope Leo is doing is applying individual morality to nation states.
• 57:31
  That is a recipe for disaster.
• 57:33
  Read that piece.
• 57:39
  A very interesting read on Sunday here as you listen to the broadcast, friends.
• 57:42
  What a great conversation here with IQL Rosulli, Wallace Garnot.
• 57:46
  Hits some really interesting points.
• 57:48
  Make you think, friends.
• 57:49
  Makes you think.