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Why Did the Jazz Trade Cody Williams? Whittingham Breaks Silence on Injuries | Angels Sold! · DnA Sports Recap

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SPEAKER_02: Always welcome.
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SPEAKER_02: We got another comment here from uh Brandon Christian884.
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SPEAKER_02: What up?
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SPEAKER_02: Um glad to see Cody gone, but not Conchar.
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SPEAKER_02: Ooh, buddy, we're gonna be talking about that.
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SPEAKER_00: We are gonna get into it, so stay tuned in, Brandon.
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SPEAKER_00: On DNA, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, someone drop the DNA sports recap link uh into the chat there for anybody who wants to join us on that side because I uh just couldn't be bothered to do it in the first place.
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SPEAKER_02: Fair enough.
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SPEAKER_02: So you got anything you want to say before we jump into the jazz conversation?
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SPEAKER_00: Nope, I'm so ready to talk Utah Jazz, dude.
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SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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SPEAKER_02: All right, man.
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SPEAKER_02: So let's go ahead and jump into it, man.
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SPEAKER_02: The first subject we want to talk about, which we're probably going to spend the majority of the time of this uh show anyway, uh, is going to be the trade.
3:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: The Utah Jazz have traded for Josh Green and cash considerations, AJ.
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SPEAKER_02: Um Josh will uh was uh getting uh when Josh is getting more than 20 minutes per game, he's averaging eight points per game on 39% shooting from three.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh his 36 minutes uh projections for next season, AJ, is gonna be 10 points per game, two assists, four rebounds.
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SPEAKER_02: And here's the kicker.
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SPEAKER_02: The projection is showing over 40% from three.
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SPEAKER_02: 40.2% from three, man.
3:42
SPEAKER_02: What are your thoughts on on uh green?
3:43
SPEAKER_02: Give me a replay.
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SPEAKER_00: Adding green is a fantastic move for the Jazz.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, this this is really this is a six foot six guy in his seventh season.
3:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, he did play at Arizona, he's a career 38% three-point shooter.
3:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, he's a really strong three and D type player that is really a great addition to this Jazz team where you kind of wondered like how are we gonna get some solid defensive minutes?
4:06
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
4:07
SPEAKER_00: Like that's that's kind of been the question.
4:08
SPEAKER_00: We moved on from Walker Kessler.
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SPEAKER_00: How are we gonna kind of shore up the defense?
4:12
SPEAKER_00: This answers one of those questions.
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SPEAKER_00: Um he did sign a three-year,$41 million rookie contract extension in 2024.
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SPEAKER_00: So he has just one year left on his contract now.
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SPEAKER_00: Um his cap hit this year is 14.68 million dollars.
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SPEAKER_00: So the Jazz just kind of keep making these sneaky moves, man.
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SPEAKER_00: They they keep bringing in more shooting and and a little bit more defense.
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SPEAKER_00: So, you know, first it was Josh Okogi, and you know, that was kind of a defensive move for sure.
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SPEAKER_00: A defensive move that also shoots a three-ball.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, but now they added, you know, another three and D player that that that I think will be very serviceable in the second unit.
4:46
SPEAKER_00: And I think he's probably one of the first players the jazz kind of go to off the bench, especially now that we've seen Cody Williams move on.
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SPEAKER_02: So yeah, absolutely.
4:53
SPEAKER_02: Because that was kind of what we were talking about a lot.
4:55
SPEAKER_02: Um, so yeah, definitely, you know, the next part we want to jump into for uh for sure is um let's talk about what we gave up.
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SPEAKER_02: So let's start with Cody Williams, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh so Cody Williams, uh, we gave him up.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh he was our 10th overall draft pick uh back in 2024 draft.
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SPEAKER_02: Only with two seasons, he got on average seven points on uh 2.7 rebounds, 1.7 assists per game, shooting 42% from the field and 24% from three AJ.
5:23
SPEAKER_02: This was something that we talked about earlier in the summer.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh Cody Williams uh was you know, being in the summer league was a clear message that the Jazz were sending to him.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, at least we thought so from the Jazz front office.
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SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
5:35
SPEAKER_02: Uh saying that he needs to come coming into year three, he needs to have that Keontae type jump, right?
5:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Um so now what may have been the case, but we may may now know that it's more than likely uh uh showcase for him to be traded.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I also think that's exactly it, right?
5:52
SPEAKER_00: I I think somebody we needed to see him, they needed to see him play in summer league to see kind of what skills he had honed in on.
5:59
SPEAKER_00: Um I continue to think that Cody Williams will be a great player in this league.
6:02
SPEAKER_00: I just I really do.
6:04
SPEAKER_00: Um, but but he does need some more development, right?
6:06
SPEAKER_00: I the big thing is he's still kind of polishing his skills.
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SPEAKER_00: Um and the jazz are in a position where they're looking for players to help them right now.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think the timeline for Cody is probably one to two seasons away from where the Jazz really are.
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SPEAKER_00: So that that's still probably and and on that one to two seasons, it's still kind of a 50-50 shot that he turns into being worth a number 10 overall pick.
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SPEAKER_00: So I like that the Jazz made a decision and and kind of flip it into a player that can contribute like right now, but this is a tough one, man.
6:37
SPEAKER_00: You know, this this is a tough one to see a player that we took so highly um and moved for a player that helps us now.
6:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I and we'll get into um why we think we made this trade in a little bit here.
6:49
SPEAKER_02: But um next man, John Conchar.
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SPEAKER_02: This this one hurt.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this one hurt, AJ.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, I really like this guy.
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SPEAKER_02: Came over in the Jaron Jackson Jr.
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SPEAKER_02: trade.
6:59
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, his time since he's been here with the Utah Jazz, he's averaging about 26 minutes per game, uh scoring six points, two steals, three assists, and almost six rebounds a game, AJ.
7:10
SPEAKER_02: Uh unfortunately, he also only shot 25% from three.
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SPEAKER_02: So while he's probably never meant to be long for uh the purple, um, I was really hoping that he would actually be this team's version of Joe Ingalls.
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SPEAKER_02: I, you know, I really thought that he had that kind of demeanor about him when he's out on the court.
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SPEAKER_02: He's always the first one to jump into a scrum when there's an issue.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_02: Um was always kind of more defensively savvy.
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SPEAKER_02: Again, six rebounds a game.
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SPEAKER_02: That's you know, nothing to sneeze at for sure.
7:38
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, man, what are your thoughts there on uh giving up John Conchar?
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think uh the Contrar trade might be the interesting piece of this whole thing, right?
7:45
SPEAKER_00: So uh and and the big part is we gave up two players and only took back one in cash considerations.
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SPEAKER_00: So, you know, the Jazz now have an open roster spot.
7:54
SPEAKER_00: So it kind of gives the idea the jazz aren't quite done yet.
7:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, and they probably have their eye on you know someone somewhere, but we'll we'll kind of see how the next weeks go, and then you know, obviously we'll get into that a little bit further into the episode.
8:06
SPEAKER_00: So um I liked John Conchar.
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SPEAKER_00: I think he added a nice veteran element to this team.
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SPEAKER_00: Um and I I'm kind of surprised that the Jazz moved away from him um in a half season, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: In in in in that short of time.
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SPEAKER_00: But I don't know, we'll see.
8:23
SPEAKER_00: I I think it's uh I I love the I love the Josh Green edition, so I'm not I'm not upset about it at all.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the thing about I think the Jazz just wanted a contributing wing uh to come off the bench more than they wanted to continue to develop a player uh that we already have a lot of depth in that position on this team.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I think that's basically what it came down to.
8:43
SPEAKER_02: You know, Green is a you know, a money dump for them, right?
8:48
SPEAKER_02: For Charlotte.
8:49
SPEAKER_02: You know, there was it was a money dump for them.
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SPEAKER_02: He only has one year left before he comes a free agent.
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SPEAKER_00: And they had to get rid of his contract to sign um who did they just trade for?
8:59
SPEAKER_00: It slipped my mind.
9:01
SPEAKER_00: They just traded for somebody, but they had to they had to move green so that they have enough enough payroll space to sign him and keep under the second apron.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so but to me, I think it was an obvious, obviously, and then again, it puts the jazz in a perfect position to reassess after year one if they want to continue to if they want to sign him again or go from there.
9:19
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, man, I just definitely think that jazz are in a position now where they're kind of just showing their hand, right?
9:24
SPEAKER_02: This is really just the Utah Jazz saying, okay, while we are wanting to develop, we're not willing to develop another player.
9:31
SPEAKER_02: We're focusing on Keontae, uh DP, and we're focusing on ace.
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SPEAKER_02: We don't need a fourth.
9:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
9:38
SPEAKER_02: We're not developing bend depth here, you know.
9:40
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you got Isaiah Collier on there, but I don't know.
9:44
SPEAKER_02: I think Isaiah Collier has already proven enough to be his position he's in.
9:48
SPEAKER_00: I think he's to his ceiling.
9:49
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
9:49
SPEAKER_00: He's he's not gonna get much better than what he is.
9:52
SPEAKER_00: I mean, developing a three-point shot for Isaiah Collier gets him onto the floor a little bit more.
9:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
9:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, because he drives the ball so hard and he's such a great passer, he's an oak, you know, he's a an okay defensive player.
10:02
SPEAKER_00: If Collier can develop a three-point shot, but that's not something you really are concerned with.
10:06
SPEAKER_00: You have NBA shooting coaches now.
10:08
SPEAKER_00: So you're not gonna be as concerned with Isaiah Collier because he is such a good passer and such a downhill dribbler.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I just think that he showed more in his last season with the Jazz to show they don't want to worry about development, as much as like Cody Williams definitely did show that he needed to worry about development for sure.
10:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
10:24
SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, I I'm I'm right there with you, man.
10:27
SPEAKER_02: I think that this was just a clear indication by the Utah Jazz front off saying, hey, this is what we're going for.
10:33
SPEAKER_02: We're not going for um, we're not developing a whole new team here.
10:38
SPEAKER_02: We're just we're focusing on developing on our on our key players, and Cody Williams unfortunately did not show us enough of his first year, two years to warrant being part of that.
10:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
10:46
SPEAKER_02: I think it's what that means there.
10:47
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
10:48
SPEAKER_02: We want to hear from you folks.
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SPEAKER_02: Let us know what your thoughts are in the comments down below.
10:50
SPEAKER_02: We've got a couple of comments we want to hit here uh before we switch up subjects here.
10:54
SPEAKER_02: Uh gonna miss the gritty jitty.
10:58
SPEAKER_02: The gritty jitty.
11:00
SPEAKER_02: Did I miss something there?
11:01
SPEAKER_02: Is that a nickname I'm not aware of?
11:03
SPEAKER_00: I've never heard it, but I like it, calamario Atari.
11:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let us know, calamari.
11:06
SPEAKER_02: We want to where's that from?
11:08
SPEAKER_02: I like that.
11:09
SPEAKER_02: I like that.
11:09
SPEAKER_02: Uh, we got Richard, uh, see Richard Sherwood 4064.
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SPEAKER_02: I always felt that Cody uh would get traded eventually, but also have always thought that he would become a good player uh for his second team.
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SPEAKER_00: Kind of where we're thinking too.
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SPEAKER_00: I I think he I think he's not far from being a really good NBA player.
11:28
SPEAKER_00: I just don't know if he was gonna make it there with the Jazz.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, great for catching us live there, by the way, Richard.
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SPEAKER_02: Appreciate it.
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SPEAKER_02: It's great, good to have you along, man.
11:34
SPEAKER_02: Good to have you along.
11:35
SPEAKER_02: Uh, we also have uh some comments here from uh Karen for Darren.
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SPEAKER_00: Love it.
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SPEAKER_02: Love the name.
11:40
SPEAKER_02: Uh Josh's three and D is greater than Cody's flea and baby and baby.
11:45
SPEAKER_02: Oh man, that hurts.
11:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean that that three-point percentage, you know, was just not great.
11:50
SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, he did have one game in the Salt Lake Summer League where he showed some signs, but it almost like completely disappeared after that.
11:57
SPEAKER_00: But it's but also it's like how you you just can't rely on flashes of talent to get you through an NBA season, right?
12:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not when you're trying to win, for sure.
12:07
SPEAKER_02: For sure.
12:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
12:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh we got another comment here from Karen Federan.
12:11
SPEAKER_02: Uh let's see.
12:11
SPEAKER_02: Minnesota.
12:12
SPEAKER_02: Mini Central traded for uh Kaminga, uh, let Josh Green go uh to avoid a second apron, which means uh it's more financially it's more financial risk than skill related.
12:23
SPEAKER_02: Sorry, more financial than skill related.
12:25
SPEAKER_02: Uh Mini's loss is Utah's gain, again, for sure.
12:28
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
12:29
SPEAKER_00: And that's such a great way to put it, too.
12:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they they were purely dumping him for salary.
12:33
SPEAKER_00: It's not necessarily because he wasn't good enough or didn't deserve the salary.
12:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
12:36
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
12:37
SPEAKER_02: We got another comment here from uh let's see, Shane.
12:41
SPEAKER_02: Let's see here.
12:42
SPEAKER_02: Cheshire.
12:43
SPEAKER_02: Cheshire 5133.
12:46
SPEAKER_02: Steve Ballmer's courtside seats are now reserved for Pablo Torre.
12:51
SPEAKER_02: Oh, Jiddy.
12:52
SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
12:52
SPEAKER_02: Jiddy is John Conchar.
12:53
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I knew it was John Conchar.
12:55
SPEAKER_00: I just didn't know where Jiddy came from.
12:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
12:58
SPEAKER_02: We'll definitely get into that.
12:59
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, do we'll talk about this a little bit here after we're done talking jazz because I want to get into this.
13:03
SPEAKER_02: Did you see this news?
13:03
SPEAKER_02: Oh, absolutely.
13:04
SPEAKER_02: We definitely need to get into it.
13:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was an ESPN notification in the middle of the day.
13:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
13:08
SPEAKER_02: Speaking of which, guys, um, huge shout out to you know what we do, you know, with in this space and everybody that supports, because this never would have come out if it wasn't for a podcast.
13:20
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
13:21
SPEAKER_02: A podcast, an investigative reporter reported on a podcast what was going on.
13:26
SPEAKER_02: Nobody on ESPN, nobody on Fox Sports, nobody on anything like that.
13:30
SPEAKER_02: Uh so shout out to you guys for jumping in here and you know, you know, chopping it up with us because you know, you're not getting what you need to hear from traditional media and sports anymore.
13:38
SPEAKER_00: No, no, traditional media is the worst, definitely biting their tongue for sure.
13:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, everybody's paid by somebody, man.
13:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
13:45
SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, us.
13:46
SPEAKER_00: We're we're paid by nobody.
13:47
SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, us, we are not paid by anybody.
13:50
SPEAKER_00: So you get to hear our ridiculous opinions and you can like them or not.
13:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
13:54
SPEAKER_02: So everybody loves the opinion of two middle-aged white guys.
13:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
13:58
SPEAKER_01: Dang it.
14:00
SPEAKER_02: All right.
14:00
SPEAKER_02: So uh the next subject we want to jump into is AJ's.
14:03
SPEAKER_02: I can't help but notice something, AJ.
14:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
14:05
SPEAKER_02: So I was thinking about this trade, and I wanted to bounce this off of you.
14:09
SPEAKER_02: And it seems like um this jazz team doesn't like us.
14:14
SPEAKER_02: You want to know why I say that?
14:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
14:15
SPEAKER_02: In back-to-back seasons, AJ, the jazz traded the lottery picks that you and I selected on back-to-back years.
14:22
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's such a good point.
14:23
SPEAKER_02: You know, the ones that we predicted the team would draft.
14:25
SPEAKER_02: And these aren't these weren't like obvious ones like DP, right?
14:28
SPEAKER_02: Everybody's like, oh yeah, the Jazz are gonna take DP.
14:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
14:30
SPEAKER_02: Check out our prediction, we're awesome, right?
14:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, these were ones they like uh they traded Tyler Hendrix uh in the drill for Triple J, right?
14:37
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
14:37
SPEAKER_02: That was my pick that I said the Jazz were gonna pick in the lottery uh for their number seven, number nine, can't remember.
14:43
SPEAKER_00: Somewhere Taylor Hendrix was 10.
14:45
SPEAKER_00: 10 or 9?
14:47
SPEAKER_02: Somewhere around there.
14:48
SPEAKER_00: I actually have it in my notes.
14:49
SPEAKER_00: I could probably look.
14:50
SPEAKER_02: That's all right.
14:51
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then you know, they also uh traded um Cody Williams to the Wolves, right?
14:56
SPEAKER_02: So that you know, but it doesn't actually end there.
14:59
SPEAKER_02: They also trade away Walter Glay Jr.
15:01
SPEAKER_02: as well well, but that got me thinking the Jazz have moved on from a lot of their draft picks lately, and uh most recently their top two lottery picks going back before Ace and Darren.
15:15
unknown: Yeah.
15:15
SPEAKER_02: They trade away their other two lottery picks.
15:17
SPEAKER_02: So here's my question Um Are the Jazz just really bad at evaluating top end of the line talent in the NBA?
15:27
SPEAKER_00: It's a good question, and I can see how like at a glance it absolutely looks that way, right?
15:31
SPEAKER_02: Because really think about it, AJ.
15:34
SPEAKER_00: We got two players.
15:34
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Taylor Hendricks is a tough one.
15:36
SPEAKER_00: He got hurt his first season, you know.
15:38
SPEAKER_00: You you miss out on pretty much that whole rookie season with Taylor Hendrix.
15:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, then he comes back and you know is kind of wishy-washy, you don't see him a whole lot.
15:46
SPEAKER_00: So but evaluating evaluating college talent is really tough, and you got to think a lot of these players, you are looking at one season of college play and then taking their measurables and then deciding if their potential alone can become what you hope it can be.
16:02
SPEAKER_02: Right.
16:03
SPEAKER_00: Like there's not a huge body of work in a college season.
16:06
SPEAKER_00: So I think the Jazz have taken the best players available in some of these drafts.
16:11
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, you gotta go, you gotta go in and look at the players that we have traded away, right?
16:15
SPEAKER_00: So or sorry, you can't only look at the players we traded away, but also like look at the couple players that were in in these drafts that weren't necessarily super deep, right?
16:25
SPEAKER_00: They were no questions asked of NBA talent.
16:28
SPEAKER_00: So in the 23 class, we took Taylor Hendrix, the first pick in the 23 draft was Wemby.
16:33
SPEAKER_00: Right.
16:33
SPEAKER_00: And then you look beyond him.
16:35
SPEAKER_02: That's okay.
16:35
SPEAKER_00: You look beyond Wemby.
16:36
SPEAKER_00: And I mean Kasen Wallace became a nice player for OKC.
16:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, but the only the the next player in that draft with the highest ceiling is probably Keonta George.
16:46
SPEAKER_02: For sure.
16:46
SPEAKER_00: So for sure.
16:48
SPEAKER_00: Did they do a bad job taking Taylor Hendricks?
16:50
SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
16:51
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
16:52
SPEAKER_00: I I think Taylor is a good player.
16:54
SPEAKER_00: I think he was a solid player, I think he was the draft piece that we needed.
16:57
SPEAKER_00: Uh if you don't take him with that potential, you probably don't get triple B J triple J back in return.
17:02
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know if that was a bad evaluation of talent.
17:05
SPEAKER_00: I think Taylor's a super talented guy.
17:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, he has the right size, he can shoot the three ball okay.
17:09
SPEAKER_00: Like he has all of those measurables and potential the teams look for, and he became a great piece to get us a great player.
17:17
SPEAKER_00: So uh the 24 draft class was not especially loaded.
17:21
SPEAKER_00: I mean, when when Riza Shea was the the taken number one overall and that's a bad draft, dude.
17:28
SPEAKER_00: Bad bad draft, right?
17:30
SPEAKER_00: Stefan Castle's realistically probably the best player out of that draft, um, picked at four, but you know, Cody Williams That's a conspiracy.
17:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we took Cody Williams at 10, and nobody else has really turned in anything super spectacular out of that draft.
17:43
SPEAKER_00: So I think the positive side is the Jazz are picking guys and making a decision.
17:46
SPEAKER_00: They're willing to move on from them early enough that it's not hurting them or continuing to hurt them.
17:52
SPEAKER_00: Um and also you're you're getting guys that have enough draft capital that you can get players that are still valuable to your team right now.
17:58
SPEAKER_00: So that's really all you can ask from this from this organization is if you're going to take a player, do your assessment on him, be willing to move him to make the team better right now, because we as jazz fans want to win right now.
18:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I the the jazz organization is not a victim of not being able to um eye top of the end talent because again, they do well outside the draft, lower the draft, right?
18:20
SPEAKER_02: With Bryce Sensaba, Isaiah Collar and Flip, right?
18:23
SPEAKER_02: These are some of these guys literally fell into their laps.
18:26
SPEAKER_02: The others they did some advanced research on and they're and they're and they're they're panning out for the team, right?
18:30
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, but to me, I just think that the with both of these players, the timeline changed.
18:37
SPEAKER_02: I think Taylor Hendrix's injury unfortunately was an important part of that development.
18:42
SPEAKER_02: Like, okay, we can continue to try and develop this guy into an all-star power forward, or we could just trade him for one, you know, was the problem was the decision there.
18:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, and then like, okay, you know, Cody Williams, he can be a good, he's got all the intangibles, he can be a good player, uh, but do we really have the bandwidth to develop another young player that may or may not work out?
19:01
SPEAKER_02: Like the risk just is too high for him versus the people they are going to develop.
19:05
SPEAKER_02: So I just again, timeline, I think, is all it really is there.
19:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh, it is kind of interesting though.
19:10
SPEAKER_02: Like their other two lottery picks they already moved on from because they like their most recent two lottery picks better.
19:15
SPEAKER_02: And honestly, you know, two out of four ain't bad, man.
19:17
SPEAKER_02: I'll take it.
19:18
SPEAKER_02: No, no, that's not bad at all, but yeah, absolutely.
19:21
SPEAKER_00: Especially when the two that you're keeping is number five and number two overall.
19:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
19:24
SPEAKER_02: You'll give you a number seven and number ten, and you know, whatever.
19:28
SPEAKER_00: 10 and 9 or whatever they came out.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: Whatever they were.
19:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's in the past.
19:31
SPEAKER_02: We don't care anymore, right?
19:31
SPEAKER_02: So we don't remember the numbers.
19:33
SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, so we got uh another line here from uh another comment here from uh Shane Cheshire 5133.
19:40
SPEAKER_00: The first line and uh what of the Walktale Lipton report cited that Pablo cited Pablo's podcast.
19:48
SPEAKER_02: Yes, yeah.
19:49
SPEAKER_02: Uh it was yeah, and again, yeah, it's like the yeah, it's being cited, right?
19:54
SPEAKER_02: Like this is an investigator reporter that's being cited as sources, right?
19:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:58
SPEAKER_02: My favorite is always on ESPN, we're like sources uh in the inform us.
20:02
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, you mean YouTube?
20:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, that those are our sources.
20:06
SPEAKER_00: I can put the link to their channel if you need me to.
20:08
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
20:09
SPEAKER_00: Uh you guys let us know if we ever become sources.
20:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
20:12
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
20:12
SPEAKER_00: Like that's all we just want to know that we were a source.
20:14
SPEAKER_02: We're already getting sampled, which was really weird to see.
20:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was interesting.
20:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, uh, do y'all live in Utah?
20:19
SPEAKER_02: Uh yes, we do.
20:20
SPEAKER_02: Yes, we do.
20:21
SPEAKER_02: Home in Salt Lake City for sure.
20:22
SPEAKER_02: Uh, another comment here from Shane.
20:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh Taylor Hendrix is an all-star in the making, just bad luck.
20:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, have to agree with you there, dude.
20:29
SPEAKER_02: All the talent was there and the you know, drive the work.
20:34
SPEAKER_02: Loved Taylor Hendrix.
20:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, loved his vivid commercials too, you know.
20:37
SPEAKER_00: And and he's just like all of all of this dude's interviews, he's just an absolute gem of a person.
20:42
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
20:43
SPEAKER_00: Like he's just a good, solid dude that works hard, wants to be on the floor, wants to play basketball.
20:47
SPEAKER_00: Love Taylor Hendricks, wish him the best, absolutely.
20:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
20:51
SPEAKER_02: Um, there's a few other things there on on the um on that trade that we're probably gonna see coming forward.
20:58
SPEAKER_02: Like, I think there's gonna be more there, there, you know, like some additional moves that I think the jazz are gonna be making.
21:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, however, the biggest thing that I want to talk about was one of the articles there.
21:07
SPEAKER_02: So the Jazz have a 15th roster spot that's currently still open.
21:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
21:12
SPEAKER_02: Right.
21:13
SPEAKER_02: And there, I believe there's an article in KSL uh that says there's an obvious choice for this one.
21:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:19
SPEAKER_02: All right, why don't you go ahead and summarize that for us?
21:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, so so this article on SI talked about how the Jazz have an obvious choice of who they should use their last roster spot on.
21:27
SPEAKER_00: And the article specifically names Kevin Love as the player that the Jazz should sign.
21:31
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, it's mostly to keep his kind of veteran presence in the locker room.
21:35
SPEAKER_00: So this is a young team, right?
21:36
SPEAKER_00: They could use some veteran presence for sure.
21:38
SPEAKER_00: And and Love has talked about how much he loved Utah, loved his time here.
21:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, he really likes Coach Hardy.
21:44
SPEAKER_00: So what are your thoughts, Darren?
21:45
SPEAKER_00: And and do you think Love is the guy that we should kind of fill this roster out with?
21:50
SPEAKER_02: Well, I really like the sentiment, AJ, of bringing back Kay Love.
21:53
SPEAKER_02: I I really do.
21:53
SPEAKER_02: I think he's a great vet, like you mentioned, for these young guys.
21:56
SPEAKER_02: He talked about it on several podcasts about talking about these young players and, like, hey, You go elsewhere, it's not like it is here.
22:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:02
SPEAKER_02: There are not people here that are ready to help you with your social media, ready to help you with your training, nutrition.
22:08
SPEAKER_02: These guys are here for you.
22:09
SPEAKER_02: This organization's here for you.
22:11
SPEAKER_02: They keep you accountable.
22:12
SPEAKER_02: That is not the same as everywhere else.
22:14
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, so it's one of those things where I really love that veteran presence, and I think that that's good for that, for the young guys, both on, you know, on and off the court there.
22:23
SPEAKER_02: Um, I do think though that this team needs to be making other moves other than sentimental signings at this point, right?
22:30
SPEAKER_02: I agree.
22:31
SPEAKER_02: We're talking about a player who's on the team for technically really just one year, right?
22:34
SPEAKER_02: Like, so it's really like, okay, um, what are we talking about here?
22:38
SPEAKER_02: Right?
22:38
SPEAKER_02: It's like it's not like we're re-signing Joey Engels right before he decides to say goodbye or yeah, you know, Rudy Gobert on his last year before he decides to hang it up.
22:45
SPEAKER_02: You know, this is a player who's with us for one year uh and did block a trade previous to coming here when he could have really helped out this team.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: So really helped out this team.
22:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:52
SPEAKER_02: Um I'm not I'm not bitter about that at all yet.
22:55
SPEAKER_02: Um, but to me, I think this does send the wrong message.
22:57
SPEAKER_02: Uh, we do need to do everything we can to win and develop DP, ace, and key as the future of this team.
23:03
SPEAKER_02: So this is not something I'm against.
23:05
SPEAKER_02: Um, I think there's definitely an upside to having him back for sure.
23:08
SPEAKER_02: But I think that really Kevin Love is gonna be the one that's gonna kind of veto this.
23:12
SPEAKER_02: He's gonna be the one that's gonna be like, you know, I don't want to be a cheerleader on a developing team that's gonna hope for a playoff birth.
23:19
SPEAKER_02: I want to be a contributor on one that has its shot to contend.
23:22
SPEAKER_02: I think that's really kind of where he's thinking he wants to be right now.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: I agree, but but I wonder how much Kevin Love can really contribute to any team that he goes to.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: Like the dude's 475 years old.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: He's been in the NBA for NBA for 82 seasons.
23:36
SPEAKER_00: Like he's way past his prime.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: He's not going like if you're gonna go sit on a bench somewhere, I get it.
23:42
SPEAKER_00: Go sit on a bench where someone has a chance to win a championship.
23:44
SPEAKER_00: But also, which teams are looking to fill Kevin Love's you know, roster spot and pay him three million dollars to sit there all year.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
23:51
SPEAKER_00: That that's my concern for him.
23:53
SPEAKER_00: Where if you love the atmosphere here and you love the players that are on this team, come to Utah, sit on the bench, help guide this team to, you know, even if it is just a first-round playoff and we, you know, we get knocked out, like you could be part of something that this team hasn't seen in four or five years and and cheer for some young kids and help them.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
24:12
SPEAKER_00: I I like it a lot.
24:13
SPEAKER_02: No, I think it's a good idea.
24:14
SPEAKER_02: Like I said, there's good negatives to it, but I I really think if we're trying to develop these young talent players, we think I think we need to focus on bringing in a veteran player that would be best for their development.
24:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:26
SPEAKER_02: Not necessarily.
24:27
SPEAKER_02: And I totally agree.
24:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, and I do agree with that.
24:29
SPEAKER_00: I don't, but I don't hate the Kevin Love signing.
24:31
SPEAKER_00: I don't either.
24:32
SPEAKER_00: I don't either.
24:32
SPEAKER_00: I just because we have so many young guys on this team that that do need a chance, but also do need somebody to kind of lead them.
24:39
SPEAKER_00: And if Kevin Love is that guy because he's not playing 20 minutes a night, hey, what a guy to get it from.
24:45
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
24:45
SPEAKER_00: Like he's an NBA champion.
24:47
SPEAKER_00: Um, he's been through this league, he's seen the worst sides of it, he's seen the best sides of it, and he can tell you how good you have it here in Utah.
24:53
SPEAKER_02: Question Who would you rather have as that 15th spot?
24:55
SPEAKER_02: Kevin Love or Mike Conley?
24:57
SPEAKER_00: Mike Conley, hands down, no questions asked.
24:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, see?
25:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, full stop, no notes.
25:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's uh yeah, because I I think that's really kind of the direction they need to go with this.
25:06
SPEAKER_02: But again, I wouldn't be hate if if they sign him tomorrow, I'd be like, hey, you know, good get.
25:10
SPEAKER_00: I think the need, I mean, for from a need perspective, I think you need Kevin Love more than you would need Mike Conley, to be honest, because as far as guards, we still have Isaiah Collier.
25:19
SPEAKER_00: Um, but I mean, could you imagine Isaiah Collier sitting on the bench with Mike Conley all year?
25:23
SPEAKER_00: Like, hey, dude, I I know you were going and you know, you made a great play here, but did you see this?
25:28
SPEAKER_00: Right.
25:29
SPEAKER_00: Like how much value that could add for Zay Collier?
25:31
SPEAKER_00: I mean, obviously, Mike Conley already signed with Boston, but that was a great, for instance.
25:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
25:36
SPEAKER_00: As far as veteran presence, yeah.
25:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we already know, so chill in the comments.
25:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we we are aware Mike Conley is not a free agent.
25:42
SPEAKER_02: We appreciate that.
25:43
SPEAKER_02: Thanks for keeping us on it.
25:44
SPEAKER_02: Uh, we got a uh comment here from uh Shane uh Cheshire.
25:48
SPEAKER_02: 5133.
25:50
SPEAKER_02: I don't know why it throws me off every time.
25:52
SPEAKER_02: Kevin Love should come on the pod.
25:54
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
25:55
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, yeah.
25:56
SPEAKER_02: We will we will Shane.
25:57
SPEAKER_02: If you guys number, dude, send it our way.
25:59
SPEAKER_02: We'd love to.
26:00
SPEAKER_02: We're all in.
26:00
SPEAKER_02: We're all in.
26:01
SPEAKER_02: We'll figure out the third mic.
26:02
SPEAKER_02: We've got we got extra mics right here.
26:04
SPEAKER_00: We'll make it happen.
26:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, dude, I'll wear a clip on mic.
26:06
SPEAKER_00: I don't care.
26:06
SPEAKER_02: We'll figure it out for sure.
26:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh, we also got uh another one from you here.
26:10
SPEAKER_02: Five jewels go team.
26:12
SPEAKER_02: Uh I think that's man.
26:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a gift.
26:15
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely appreciate it, dude.
26:16
SPEAKER_00: I think that's the first time we've gotten one of those.
26:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we have not gotten any jewels before.
26:19
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, awesome.
26:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Shane, congrats, dude.
26:22
SPEAKER_02: You broke uh we have uh you know we've gotten super chats, but I think that's the first time we've gotten uh uh a gift thing there.
26:28
SPEAKER_02: That's cool, man.
26:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, thanks, that's awesome.
26:30
SPEAKER_02: Um, Ryan needs to uh step up his game and funnel money to the Joker.
26:37
SPEAKER_02: Shane, you just stepped all over next week's subject.
26:40
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, absolutely.
26:42
SPEAKER_00: So that's a great teaser.
26:43
SPEAKER_00: Make sure you guys tune in next week.
26:44
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna talk about the Joker.
26:46
SPEAKER_02: We have we have a we have a little bit of a we have a couple running theories, man.
26:50
SPEAKER_02: We do.
26:51
SPEAKER_02: There's enough, there's enough there there to think that there might be.
26:55
SPEAKER_00: We just talked about this.
26:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:56
SPEAKER_02: So pre-show meeting.
26:58
SPEAKER_02: We want to talk about this trade first because it's what happened now.
27:00
SPEAKER_02: We know.
27:01
SPEAKER_02: Yep, absolutely.
27:02
SPEAKER_02: But we'll get into conspiracy theories.
27:03
SPEAKER_02: We're all about it.
27:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, stay tuned in for all for sure.
27:06
SPEAKER_02: Again, with another more jewels, appreciate it.
27:09
SPEAKER_02: Under Jewels locked, appreciate it.
27:12
SPEAKER_00: We are here to lock in.
27:13
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
27:14
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
27:14
SPEAKER_02: Appreciate it, man.
27:15
SPEAKER_02: Thanks for joining us.
27:16
SPEAKER_00: Make sure you tune in next week too.
27:17
SPEAKER_00: We're we're gonna talk about that joker idea.
27:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's definitely that's funny because yeah, we were just talking about it.
27:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
27:24
SPEAKER_02: Um, um, anything else that you want to talk about when it comes to the jazz?
27:27
SPEAKER_00: No, no, but the season's getting here, and it is super duper excited.
27:31
SPEAKER_00: We are uh we're getting excited as the as it kind of dials in, man.
27:34
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: This this roster's kind of taking shape.
27:36
SPEAKER_00: You know, we got one more spot to fill.
27:39
SPEAKER_00: Um, and and it's it's a it's a great time to be a jazz fan.
27:42
SPEAKER_02: We got uh uh Calamario Atari dropping in, the the locked in uh lock emojis there.
27:48
SPEAKER_02: Awesome, love it.
27:49
SPEAKER_02: Pacific Northwest, you jumping in here with a two-dollar super chat, DNA.
27:54
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so yeah.
27:56
SPEAKER_02: I was taking not my spare bank.
27:57
SPEAKER_02: Fair enough.
27:58
SPEAKER_02: Hey, wherever it comes from, dude.
27:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we'll take it.
28:00
SPEAKER_02: No shame here.
28:01
SPEAKER_02: No shame here.
28:02
SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, so one thing we want to talk about before we get out of the basketball conversation is I I want to get your feelings on on this.
28:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh on the Clippers, the NBA's uh I love this.
28:14
SPEAKER_02: So, like we we did a rant on this a couple weeks ago.
28:18
SPEAKER_02: A huge rant that if the original uh reports were that they were just gonna get a slap on the wrist and nothing was gonna happen to them, that the jazz need to go in and underpay literally everybody underneath the table, get the cookie guy out here, get the sweet people out here, and let's start putting some money on the table and get some talent in here.
28:35
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
28:35
SPEAKER_02: Uh, because it was gonna end up being like a slap on the wrist, no big deal, and we were gonna be and that was the whole concern, right?
28:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so it was very much um, you know, kind of an interesting, you know, rant that we kind of went on that week, but the penalty came down, and and a special uh shout out to Richard Sherwood for sending me the link earlier on the athletic article on this.
28:55
SPEAKER_02: Did you see um as far as obviously there's a few things on here that that are like okay, yeah, let's get the air out clear here.
29:05
SPEAKER_02: Everybody knew exactly what was going on when it was happening.
29:08
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
29:09
SPEAKER_02: Steve Bomber knew exactly what the team was doing to pay, you know, Uncle, whatever his name, Uncle Dennis underneath the table.
29:16
SPEAKER_02: He knew was gonna what he's doing.
29:18
SPEAKER_02: The money, follow the money.
29:19
SPEAKER_02: It clearly says that he paid Aspire Aspirations the money that they paid Kawhi.
29:25
SPEAKER_02: Like the numbers line up, they're made within a month of each other.
29:29
SPEAKER_02: The numbers are clear.
29:30
SPEAKER_02: Everybody knew what was going on.
29:32
SPEAKER_02: Kawhi Leonard knew what was going on.
29:34
SPEAKER_02: Everybody in the front office knew exactly what they were doing, and all we're doing here is kind of passing the blame around and adding plausible deniability and minimizing the effect that this would have on the league as a whole.
29:47
SPEAKER_02: So, what were the actual punishments that are dropped down on the like on the Clippers?
29:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so um the NBA suspended Clippers owner, Steve Ballmer.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, he's got a one-year suspension.
29:58
SPEAKER_00: They fined the Clippers$30 million.
30:01
SPEAKER_00: Uh Kawhi Leonard has been um ordered to pay$700,000 in retribution, and uh they also have to forfeit five first-round draft picks.
30:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so everything except for that last part was a slap on the wrist, in my opinion.
30:18
SPEAKER_02: 30 million to you know, to Steve Ballmer, that's that's ridiculous.
30:23
SPEAKER_02: He's the richest owner in the NBA.
30:24
SPEAKER_00: Probably not gonna be enough.
30:26
SPEAKER_02: That's just that's just maybe that's the maximum they can charge him.
30:28
SPEAKER_00: But Steve Ballmer falls down outside of his house and drops$30 million on the ground.
30:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
30:34
SPEAKER_02: So it's like that's not enough.
30:36
SPEAKER_02: That's not really gonna do anything.
30:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is a ton of money.
30:38
SPEAKER_00: It is a ton, that is a whole player salary.
30:40
SPEAKER_02: It is, yeah.
30:41
SPEAKER_02: But again, it's nothing for him.
30:43
SPEAKER_02: And you know, there's some suspensions there.
30:45
SPEAKER_02: Uncle Dennis uh got suspended from being involved in basketball for five seasons, which isn't that big a deal because he was already fired by Kawhi Leonard because they were already doing this whole sandbaging job to kind of separate everybody from it.
30:58
SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, the thing that really hurts is those picks, man.
31:01
SPEAKER_02: The the Lakers, the Clippers, sorry, I keep saying the Lakers, the Clippers are the team, you know, just were trading Kawhi Leonard to get those draft picks back.
31:11
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
31:11
SPEAKER_02: Because they were they have no draft capital coming their way, and now they're having to.
31:16
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that trade can go through now, obviously.
31:18
SPEAKER_02: And so, but all those traffics are gonna be good.
31:21
SPEAKER_00: Because Kawhi's definitely got the 700,000.
31:23
SPEAKER_02: I think he's okay there.
31:24
SPEAKER_00: I think he's okay.
31:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that 700,000 he's having to pay is because of all that times the team paid for something and he was supposed to reimburse and he never did.
31:32
SPEAKER_02: Like that's what that 700,000 for.
31:34
SPEAKER_02: And it's just like I I don't know.
31:36
SPEAKER_02: That statement he put out saying, hey, I'm I should have been better about what my representation was doing on my behalf, blah, blah, blah.
31:42
SPEAKER_02: That's all BS.
31:44
SPEAKER_02: Sure, fine.
31:46
SPEAKER_02: I am glad that they took away those five draft picks from these guys because that's exactly what they did to Charlotte when they did this back in what 2000?
31:53
SPEAKER_02: And that's that's what the rules are.
31:55
SPEAKER_02: And I'm glad we punished them to the full extent of the rules.
31:57
SPEAKER_02: We issued a$30 million fine.
31:59
SPEAKER_02: A bunch of people got suspended, and honestly, this just does help a little bit to keep teams from doing this.
32:05
SPEAKER_02: Let me ask you that question, AJ.
32:08
SPEAKER_02: Is this going to stop teams from doing this going forward?
32:10
SPEAKER_02: Do you think this is enough penalty?
32:12
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I don't think so.
32:13
SPEAKER_00: No, I don't, I don't know.
32:15
SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean, most of most of the NBA owners are billionaires already.
32:19
SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, like you mentioned, yeah, Steve Ballmer is one of the richer ones, but but$30 million is not anything to the Clippers organization.
32:26
SPEAKER_00: The five first-round draft picks does hurt, but if you've already traded around, traded off your all your first-round draft picks, they can't take them away from the teams you traded them to.
32:35
SPEAKER_02: Well, again, they're trading Kawhi Leonard, so they get draft picks back, they have to forfeit those.
32:39
SPEAKER_00: Right.
32:39
SPEAKER_00: So they have to forfeit.
32:40
SPEAKER_00: Oh, so it's the five that are coming in from the Leonard pick?
32:42
SPEAKER_02: They're forfeiting the draft picks from uh.
32:45
SPEAKER_00: I think you have to own the picks still.
32:47
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
32:47
SPEAKER_00: So and I missed some of that, yeah.
32:49
SPEAKER_02: But correct me if I'm correct if they were wrong on that one, guys.
32:51
SPEAKER_00: Five first round picks does hurt, right?
32:53
SPEAKER_00: That is that is a pretty legitimate um penalty for a team.
32:57
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's enough to to really dissuade teams from continuing to circumvent the cap because you think of the millions and millions they saved.
33:08
SPEAKER_00: Did they save 30 million?
33:10
SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
33:11
SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean I'm sure they didn't hit that 30 million doesn't hit the hit the it didn't hit it, but that's what I'm saying is if if they would have paid that into it and they would have hit the cap.
33:21
SPEAKER_02: They would have been in the second apron.
33:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:23
SPEAKER_00: You see what I mean?
33:24
SPEAKER_00: So how much was it actually worth to them?
33:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it was a wash, honestly.
33:28
SPEAKER_00: It's it's really the draft picks that hurts.
33:30
SPEAKER_00: Maybe that's what it was designed to be, was it so that it was exactly a wash.
33:32
SPEAKER_00: Right.
33:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe they had to pay it out either way.
33:35
SPEAKER_02: But I think I think in the current CBA, I think it was enough of a hit to where it's gonna be a problem.
33:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, with the second apron rule and how that works, you can't just you have to the the method for winning is you gotta have a superstar who takes a pay cut so you can bring in other talent around them, and then you pay them after you win the championship.
33:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's the that's the meta.
33:53
SPEAKER_02: That's the meta for how to win now, right?
33:55
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
33:56
SPEAKER_02: So um, because you can't just pay everybody, you can't have four, you can't have, I mean, some teams have three max contracts on and they're up against a separate anchor, and then they're trying to fill it in with a bunch of uh vet minimums, you know, and mid-level exceptions and all that stuff, and you just can't win like that.
34:09
SPEAKER_02: So you've got to figure out a way, and I think this was the best way for it to punish them in the current CBA, I think.
34:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I I totally agree.
34:17
SPEAKER_00: I I'm I'm excited the NBA did something about this.
34:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: I I'm I'm it makes me happy to think that they did actually penalize this team.
34:25
SPEAKER_00: They did find, they did complete that, you know, the the article came out that the NBA hadn't found anything, and that was what we talked about a couple of weeks ago.
34:32
SPEAKER_00: And then to see that, hey, they when the NBA just said that's not the case, and that was it, you're like, okay, so what is the case?
34:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so give us a couple of things.
34:40
SPEAKER_00: No more details, but today they're like, yeah, no, here's here's what's going on.
34:43
SPEAKER_00: Here's what's actually happening.
34:44
SPEAKER_02: I almost guarantee they leaked that first one out on purpose to see how the public would react.
34:49
SPEAKER_02: And they know now here's what we need to do.
34:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean that's exactly what we talked about a couple weeks ago.
34:53
SPEAKER_02: NBA, man.
34:54
SPEAKER_02: They're in the MBA, uh the ESPN's in the NBA company.
34:56
SPEAKER_00: They have so much, so much control over what goes to the media.
34:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's nuts.
35:00
SPEAKER_02: We got another 250 jewels from Shane here.
35:02
SPEAKER_02: Appreciate it.
35:03
SPEAKER_02: Laughing disco.
35:04
SPEAKER_00: Thank you, sir.
35:05
SPEAKER_02: Love it, love it.
35:05
SPEAKER_02: We got another comment here from uh Sydney.
35:08
SPEAKER_00: What's up, buddy?
35:10
SPEAKER_02: What up?
35:11
SPEAKER_02: What up, oh?
35:12
SPEAKER_02: What up, oh?
35:13
SPEAKER_02: What up, oh.
35:14
SPEAKER_02: I like it.
35:14
SPEAKER_02: I like it.
35:15
SPEAKER_02: Uh let's go ahead and scroll down here.
35:16
SPEAKER_02: We got a few more comments we want to hit before we jump out of jazz uh talk here.
35:20
SPEAKER_02: Man, didn't think that we would uh do it, but they they did.
35:23
SPEAKER_02: The clippers are screwed.
35:25
SPEAKER_02: Five picks is crazy.
35:26
SPEAKER_02: Yep, yeah, you absolutely love to see it.
35:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh kind of sad to see him go, but I really uh did get why we traded Cody.
35:33
SPEAKER_02: Um didn't really see a path for him getting playing time and uh unless things were going really wrong.
35:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for this season, and uh we got a nice uh mid-size contract.
35:43
SPEAKER_02: For sure, man.
35:44
SPEAKER_02: For sure.
35:45
SPEAKER_02: I think that's a great way to put it.
35:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
35:47
SPEAKER_02: Um comment here from Karen for D.
35:49
SPEAKER_02: Aaron G's five first rounders.
35:51
SPEAKER_02: Um, you could stay in LA.
35:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh you could say LA got clipped.
35:55
SPEAKER_00: Sure did.
35:55
SPEAKER_02: I saw what you did there.
35:57
SPEAKER_02: Very nice, very nice.
35:58
SPEAKER_02: Uh, another comment here from McKinley.
36:00
SPEAKER_02: Uh, they are taking five picks essentially for the next five picks of the Lakers they they would have made are voided, right?
36:07
SPEAKER_02: So these aren't, I think they're actually broken down in the article.
36:10
SPEAKER_02: Uh correct me if I'm wrong on that one, but it's broken down in the article what years they're giving up.
36:13
SPEAKER_02: But I think it's 29, 30, 31, 32, yeah, three, I think.
36:18
SPEAKER_02: I think I think that's what it was.
36:19
SPEAKER_02: Um, it's brutal, man.
36:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it really is.
36:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, really is.
36:23
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36:28
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36:30
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36:44
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36:47
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37:31
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37:32
SPEAKER_02: So let's go ahead and jump into it, man.
37:33
SPEAKER_02: We got a little bit of football to talk about.
37:35
SPEAKER_02: It's about that time, AJ.
37:37
SPEAKER_02: It is.
37:37
SPEAKER_02: It is.
37:38
SPEAKER_00: It actually is that time.
37:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is that time.
37:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:41
SPEAKER_02: For almost college football to start.
37:44
SPEAKER_02: Not this week.
37:45
SPEAKER_00: Not this week, but maybe next week.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: Maybe next week.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: We'll at least have college football games on this weekend, and I'll take that.
37:50
SPEAKER_02: There will be college football players on the field this week.
37:53
SPEAKER_02: This week.
37:54
SPEAKER_02: And the score will matter.
37:55
SPEAKER_00: As soon as tomorrow.
37:56
SPEAKER_02: As soon as tomorrow, right?
37:57
SPEAKER_02: Which, you know, this isn't going to go out that early, so uh, we'll definitely talk a little bit about the Idaho game, but honestly, it's gonna be an exercise in futility because by the time this gets out, that game will be over.
38:06
SPEAKER_02: We'll recap it next week.
38:08
SPEAKER_02: We'll recap it, yeah, about that.
38:10
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
38:10
SPEAKER_02: Let's get in and talk a little bit about your youths.
38:13
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38:31
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38:34
SPEAKER_02: All right, AJ.
38:35
SPEAKER_02: So let's go ahead and get this one done and over with, shall we?
38:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
38:38
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, let's get this one out of the way.
38:40
SPEAKER_02: We uh we while we no longer uh while this particular person is no longer part of Utah football, there is something that we need to discuss.
38:48
SPEAKER_02: So we need to get our opinion on uh out on this.
38:52
SPEAKER_02: And uh so yeah, let's just go ahead and get this over with here.
38:55
SPEAKER_02: So to summarize the story, uh six former Utah players who played during the Kyle Whittingham tenure spoke to the Salt Lake Tribune about what they described as a culture to pressure to play around play through injury.
39:09
SPEAKER_02: Uh the players generally described as a play-through it culture in which uh they felt coaches prioritized getting back on the field, uh, allowing them to not fully recover.
39:19
SPEAKER_02: Uh several said the experience pressures to meet uh the they pressured to meet rehab return to play timelines, even when they believe they weren't medically ready.
39:29
SPEAKER_02: Uh this also described they also described what they saw as a disconnect between the coaching staff and the medical staff.
39:35
SPEAKER_02: Uh just to highlight some of them, the former defensive lineman uh Van Filinger uh made perhaps the most uh direct allegations involving Winningham uh in 2022.
39:46
SPEAKER_02: Uh Fillinger suffered what was he said was ultimately a Cindy a season ending fibia fracture.
39:53
SPEAKER_02: I'll say that five times fast, uh, but was initially diagnosed with an ankle sprain.
39:58
SPEAKER_02: Uh in 2023, he was dealing with some problems uh in the leg.
40:02
SPEAKER_02: Uh the doctor recommended six-week arrest.
40:05
SPEAKER_02: Uh Fillinger said uh the coach, uh the position coach, uh Lewis Powell initially agreed that he could reshirt re redshirt, but after another Utah defensive lineman suffered a season-ending ACL injury, Fillinger said Powell told him that Whittingham wanted him back.
40:21
SPEAKER_02: Uh most significantly, uh Fillinger uh said that he was told that if he didn't play, he would be kicked off the team.
40:29
SPEAKER_02: He ultimately played 11 games that season and later needed another surgery.
40:35
SPEAKER_02: Of course, there are other accusers.
40:37
SPEAKER_02: Uh former receiver Micah Pittman, running back Jalen Glover, and defensive lineman Tavita FO2.
40:45
SPEAKER_02: Um did I get that right in the first try?
40:48
SPEAKER_00: FO2.
40:48
SPEAKER_02: Nice, close.
40:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, close.
40:50
SPEAKER_02: Uh were also some other notable, um notable I didn't realize Micah Pittman and Jalen Glover were on there.
40:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there were some other players that were um noted in the article for the accusations.
41:03
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
41:04
SPEAKER_02: So AJ, what are your thoughts?
41:06
SPEAKER_00: I mean Witz responded Nelly right on the head, right?
41:09
SPEAKER_00: He said everything that he was supposed to say.
41:11
SPEAKER_00: That that's exactly his answer.
41:13
SPEAKER_00: I mean, his response was I would never go against the medical staff.
41:17
SPEAKER_00: I only followed what the medical staff recommended.
41:20
SPEAKER_00: It was it was really a textbook answer from Coach Witt.
41:24
SPEAKER_00: So but I mean, let's be honest, right?
41:26
SPEAKER_00: You know there is absolutely zero chance that these guys are just making this stuff up.
41:32
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely zero.
41:33
SPEAKER_00: You're playing for a team that has a massive expectation for winning football sing football games every single week.
41:39
SPEAKER_00: And and if your star players are hurting or hurt, it is your job as a head football coach to ask them if they're if and when they're gonna be back, right?
41:49
SPEAKER_00: When are when do you guys return to get back on the field?
41:51
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's that's the question you have to ask.
41:53
SPEAKER_00: So you gotta know if they can play through some pain and if they can keep putting so that you as a head coach can kind of keep putting the best product possible on the football field.
42:01
SPEAKER_00: So um were these guys mishandled?
42:04
SPEAKER_00: I don't know, man.
42:05
SPEAKER_00: That that's that's a really tough question.
42:07
SPEAKER_00: I've never been a division one athlete, and uh I can absolutely understand head coaches asking players if they're going to be available, even if the medical staff says they need another week to play.
42:18
SPEAKER_00: But um I mean, I think I think my question is is like this brings up the question as to why football players like Utah football players have always been hurt.
42:27
SPEAKER_00: It seems like this team has really struggled with injuries the last few years, and maybe that's the reason is we are forcing guys to come back earlier than the medical professionals are actually telling them to.
42:39
SPEAKER_00: So it explains a whole lot on the backside of what the injuries have looked like for the University of Utah over the last couple of years.
42:46
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I didn't realize Jalen Glover was on there, but this kid was a stud, man.
42:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he he was expected to be a big time running back for the University of Utah, and he got hurt and he never looked the same.
42:57
SPEAKER_00: He never had he never had the quickness, he was never as physical as he would be.
43:01
SPEAKER_00: He always looked like he was kind of avoiding contact or big hits.
43:05
SPEAKER_00: He just never looked the same, but he was supposedly healthy.
43:08
SPEAKER_00: So I love Coach Witt.
43:10
SPEAKER_00: I I will never uh you know what I mean.
43:12
SPEAKER_00: I think he he is an absolute Utah legend.
43:15
SPEAKER_00: Um I don't think that he did anything other than try to win football games.
43:20
SPEAKER_00: Um and and to do that, you have to put your best players on the field at all times.
43:24
SPEAKER_00: But this is this is one of those lines as a football player that um you know I think is is tougher in this day and age where guys are getting paid to play college football.
43:36
SPEAKER_02: Right.
43:37
SPEAKER_00: And and this is right on the line of when guys weren't getting paid to play college football.
43:42
SPEAKER_02: So not so obvious.
43:44
SPEAKER_00: Not not obviously getting paid over the table, at least, to play college football, right?
43:50
SPEAKER_00: So um that's I think the most interesting part is how did all this actually, you know, turn out to be with some of these guys that may not have been getting NIL money that that were counting on an NFL paycheck.
44:04
SPEAKER_00: That's the part that I that I kind of struggle with, right?
44:06
SPEAKER_00: Is if these guys are not getting NIL money and you're not giving them red shirts, uh you could potentially be ending their whole football career.
44:14
SPEAKER_00: And and Van Van Phillinger did not end up moving on uh to play NFL.
44:19
SPEAKER_00: So I think I think he actually just signed a professional wrestling contract.
44:22
SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness.
44:23
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
44:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:24
SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
44:25
SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
44:25
SPEAKER_02: Uh just so everybody's aware, um he's talking about uh Dan's uh Wits response was uh on September 1st on the Dan Patrick show uh when he had his response was never in my career have I ever tried to sway or influence our medical staff.
44:40
SPEAKER_02: That's a very scripted and specific statement that was definitely told to him by somebody to say uh if you watch the interview you clearly see that almost like he was coached for that for those lines for sure.
44:53
SPEAKER_02: Uh my opinion AJ this is how I want to think uh I want to say I don't think that a coach ever pressured a player to come back before he was ready.
45:05
SPEAKER_02: I don't think coach Witt did that I don't think that he willingly ever said hey you know this isn't Friday Night Lights where you have what's his name uh the guy from holes you know saying you know put the kneel in his leg if you put him in the kneel in his leg you're you know you get a new quarterback right you know that whole scene yeah I don't think that that's what we're talking about here.
45:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah okay um but I do think that the Utah coaching staff did everything they could in their power to make sure the players um I don't think that they did everything in their power to make sure the players didn't feel like their position was at risk if they didn't suit up if they could possibly think they could go.
45:44
SPEAKER_02: I think that they all felt like their spot was at risk and if they didn't get back on the field as soon as possible that they would be replaced.
45:52
SPEAKER_02: So I do think that Utah dropped the ball there but here's the thing this is not unique to Utah this to me is football culture.
46:01
SPEAKER_02: There's a reason why this is a beeline plot in every movie ever written about football ever this is a trope for a reason.
46:11
SPEAKER_02: Every team does this and it's not just high school I mean sorry it's not just college it's high school it's the prof it's the pros.
46:18
SPEAKER_02: Any given Sunday that he you know the player want to go out there even though he knew one more sack one more concussion would probably end his life still want to go out there and do it.
46:27
SPEAKER_02: Were these players pressured yes absolutely was it implied pressure versus hey you need to go out there or coach Witt's going to replace you with somebody else and you're gonna lose your scholarship I don't think anything like that was ever said to any one of these players I don't know I I I I could see some of this happening.
46:45
SPEAKER_00: Really?
46:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah I I really do I think that I I think that there it gets to a point where you're in the if you're in the tail end of a season and you are absolutely chasing a Big 12 conference championship or a Pac 12 championship and the medical staff is saying you're at four of the five weeks and it's like can you go back out on the field and they're like well the doctor said I should probably wait another week it's like no can you go back out on the field.
47:12
SPEAKER_02: So you think the doctor said hey you've you're at four to five weeks you could use another week and then the coaching staff asked the player and then he went against the medical staff's recommendations.
47:22
SPEAKER_02: No I think the player said no I should I mean I I think the coaches are saying four to five weeks it's been four weeks can you go like can you go right like putting putting some weight on them like four weeks you should be ready to go here and they're like well they said four to five maybe it's best if I wait one more and they're like no no no no you don't understand we need a defensive end in here right now like we just lost one to an ACL injury like we're not we're not putting a sophomore in there we're not putting a freshman in there like we need you back this week and I think that goes a lot to talk about all the frustrations we were hearing in Kyle Winnihan's voice every time they were asked about you know whether every single time I think about cameras in exactly when it came to camerizing you can hear the frustration that he wasn't getting that he was using outside medical advice yeah because he was protecting his own ooh that opens up a whole new can of worms to that dude that's exactly where I was going dude is it opens up a whole can of worms like again I don't why is the you using like outside medical advice why is he needing outside medical advice yeah why does he feel like that's necessary yeah interesting it's it's a very interesting very interesting but again I stand by my statement that this is not specific to you Todd this is not specific to you no I don't I don't think it exists this is college football this is a football period this is football culture period um you know so we'll see we'll see uh we want to hear from you folks let us know where your thoughts are in the comments down below we got a couple of comments here uh let's get to them we got uh calamari Atari uh sweet awesome thank you for joining us on DNA sports recap there man I don't know if you made the jump over um hopefully everybody was able to jump over okay got a comment here from Pacific Pacific Northwest Ute uh yeah there's not uh there's not incentive for Ute's football alumni to bring up um overplaying through injury long after Witt is gone unless uh there's truth there uh hashtag RSMB um yeah I mean there's no real point to it I mean I can see what you're talking about and keep in mind though this generation is a little different AJ like these people are gonna get paydays from podcasters and sports talk people and radio people to come be a guest spot on their thing.
49:31
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely could be them pushing a brand so while I think yes this is probably what happened is this something that's new no I think this is something that's always I don't think it's new yeah and I just think this is the generation that's deciding to speak up on it.
49:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah I think yeah absolutely oh well speaking of uh speaking of football players let's talk what about Sidney Mackle shout out Cyprus High School quarterback number two Sydney shout out you got you guys are watching high school football go check that kid out he's a stud that's right that's right yeah uh full endorsement from uh Utah football DNA absolutely go go Cyprus um let's see here I never tried to sway the medical staff um instead I went around CMD I like it I didn't talk to the medical staff at all I just went to a third party doctor exactly got a comment here from Sydney uh let's go absolutely man absolutely um so yeah um yeah dude I don't know I think there's just more to come on this story we're gonna see more as it develops it's gonna be interesting there's there's gonna be a lot more yeah and that we could see more players but I don't know I I think that uh I think it'll be interesting to see how this one kind of plays out uh but I I think you're right though I I think I think that's just football man yeah absolutely absolutely um all right so the next one we want to talk about is going to be an article that was on KSL uh that says BYU or Utah needs to be the hero in the league um so basically what I'm gonna do is just quick summarize of this article AJ uh it was up on KSL this week if we can remember to we'll link it in the description down below um uh so basically what they're needing is that saving the con the saying that the conference needs a hero this article goes into how the conference needs to secure an at-large bid in the CFP something we've talked about quite a quite a bit on this show not only uh but also win a CFP game something that this article claims we are the only P4 conference that have yet to do so uh Texas Tech got a first round by and then got shut out in the quarterfinals against Oregon so I did not know that AJ did you know that Big 12 has not won a game in the CFP?
51:37
SPEAKER_00: They haven't won a game?
51:39
SPEAKER_02: No or they haven't gotten that large bid no it's just it's it according to this article on KSL they have not won a game in the CFP.
51:46
SPEAKER_00: That's actually could have read it wrong I guess it makes sense correct me in the comments if I'm wrong.
51:50
SPEAKER_00: No I mean I think you're right though.
51:51
SPEAKER_00: I don't think they have yeah so this article is asking can Utah or BYU raise the occasion and be the hero of the conference the article states a villain is already uh already exist in Texas Tex by words and actions they have embraced their role the Red Raiders are universally disliked and envied for their free spending ways and roster construction process what do you think AJ do you think the youths have what it takes um to be the hero that the Big 12 needs I think we're gonna learn a lot about this team very quickly um in short yes yes I'm like did I just get a poll of the call answer to the question I I do I do think they are ready to be the hero uh for the Big 12 conference uh because there there has been there's been a lot of heat on Texas Tech man and and that article was kind of spot on right one of these teams has to make it happen this year so that so that the Big 12 can have two teams in the CFP this year we we need an at large bid I mean that's it's gonna be really important um and and not just an at-large bid but we need somebody to go in and win a CFP game right one and and Utah or BYU those two teams are constructed to do that right uh at it's tough because you know Texas Tech didn't do it but Oregon is a tough that is a tough poll in a first round game man uh that that is that is brutal um texas tech is spending money and Texas Tech spends a ton of money man but we we all know I'm the eternal optimist for the Utes right and I I think this year we can beat BYU and we can position ourselves to be playing in a conference title game and and if you get into that position you got a spot to make it into CFP.
53:28
SPEAKER_00: So um I think a couple really important things for the games I think the Utah offense has to be explosive.
53:34
SPEAKER_00: We we don't know what it's going to look like under Kevin McGivin um but it sounds like it could be really pass heavy um which would be a nice change from previous years right we we knew Kyle Whittingham was 6040 run that's always going to be on the ground first um and and then the other question is can the defense kind of continue to hold uh really on to that Utah standard you know the bend but don't break continue to create havoc uh these questions are all going to be answered in the coming weeks though and uh I think that coach Scaly is the right guy for this job I I think I think he he was exactly what this team needed I think he kind of re-en rejuvenated this team and put some new energy into them um so the answer is yes this team can be the hero and this is going to be a really fun season to be a Utah football fan.
54:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah and I again we want to temper expectations because I think Morgan Scaly did say in an interview and specifically talked about that concept of you know passing more this year than ever his first response to that was we're gonna be a physical team like we're gonna we're they're gonna fill it every step of the way so while you know we are running a new offense the identity of this team being physical up front is never going to change.
54:46
SPEAKER_02: So I think that was his clear statement saying that this is still going to be a run heavy team a run first team uh versus you know opening up and being a 60-40 passing team yeah we're gonna see still running so I I I would caution up I would caution people's expectations of them throwing the ball like way more than they always ever have um because just that statement there from Morgan Scalley just made me realize like okay Utah football is still gonna be Utah football.
55:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah right we're still gonna be heavy on the run.
55:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah you know but anyway I I agree with you man I think Utah's in a good position to do so uh again we just can't there's just a few things one they cannot lose to BYU this year.
55:21
SPEAKER_02: I think that's gonna be the key driver for them.
55:23
SPEAKER_02: If they lose to BYU this year um yeah that that sends a whole lot of messages uh about not only just the bragging rights in the state as well as you know their chances of showing up in the in this in the CFP if they lose to BYU but they win out right and they you know they're not gonna get a lot a large bid they need to beat BYU or they if they lose to BYU they need to win win the conference.
55:49
SPEAKER_02: Those are the only two options.
55:51
SPEAKER_00: I mean yeah and I mean losing to BYU is going to be I mean if they lose to BYU that that pretty much ends their conference bid.
55:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah because then you are depending on what happens with Texas Tech.
56:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah because I know we still have question mark also depending on what happens with BYU right then you're then you're counting on them to lose another conference game.
56:06
SPEAKER_02: Well I think I think we are both under the expectation that BYU is going to come into Utah with one loss and hopefully Utah comes in with but their one loss is to a non-conference team.
56:16
SPEAKER_00: Yes so the so the conference standings all depend on who wins that game that's true very very very true.
56:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah I mean because then you're then you're in a head to head I mean if both of you have a loss going in that's fine but how does a head to head look that's the next metric you know for deciding a conference who goes to conference championship.
56:32
SPEAKER_02: So yeah so I'm right they do have to be BYU do everything yeah they absolutely have to be BYU yes yeah you're absolutely right I'm like wait a minute where where are we disconnected here?
56:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah we weren't okay very we weren't I was just explaining it a little bit further.
56:44
SPEAKER_02: Okay I like it I like it you know this is an educational channel you know absolutely I want to help you guys out I'm I'm here to be educational yeah we want to help you guys out make sure you understand the ins and the outs of the whole thing um yeah anyway we want to hear from you folks let us know your thoughts are in the comments down below we want to hear from you folks uh what's what's uh before we get out of here just quickly what do you think is going to happen uh you uh tomorrow against B uh against uh Idaho um I think this will be a very physical game through about two quarters and then I think it'll be a blowout for the second two.
57:14
SPEAKER_02: All right I like it I don't think it's gonna get to two quarters.
57:17
SPEAKER_02: I think after the it's gonna be a very physical I think the Utes are going to score in back-to-back possessions in the first quarter and then after that I think they're gonna get a little tricky and then we're gonna see nothing until the second half and then um you know the benches clear out and then Utah's gonna start playing with the playbook a little bit.
57:33
SPEAKER_02: So that's what happened.
57:35
SPEAKER_00: That's what I think I hope we see some third string quarterbacks.
57:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah yeah or you know bring in the bring in the kicker to throw it throw it a few times oh I love to see what happens.
57:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah absolutely once again folks we want to hear from you let us know your thoughts on the comments down below absolutely uh let's get a comment here from uh Pacific Northwest Ute I fear the Ute's opponents will be uh vandalized very good Pacific Northwest Ute the Idaho vandals most likely will be yeah shout out to my family up north by the way yeah I was born in Idaho that's beautiful up there absolutely I actually do like Ida absolutely love it up there yeah um but yeah we want to hear from you folks let us know what your thoughts are in the comments down below for sure all right let's go ahead and get into it let's talk some baseball man before we get in let's do it but first before we get into content folks we'd like to encourage you to join the conversation in the comments down below while you're down there consider subscribing to major league DNA and make sure you smash that like button for your boy AJ right over there.
58:37
SPEAKER_02: Do it all right AJ now um let's go ahead and change this since we're not talking Utah football anymore no yeah let's change that still go Utes go Utes can you see it 2024 World Series champion Dodgers is that is that there can you see it no I I can't I can't make it out on the screen because it's really small.
59:00
SPEAKER_02: Okay so it's fine I can see it right now jump in the chat let us know if you can see that for sure um all right AD let's go ahead and get into it man I want to talk about the absolute domination that we saw from Chris Sale as he shut down the World Series favorites Los Angeles Dodgers over the weekend.
59:19
SPEAKER_00: How about that Chris Sale guy huh?
59:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah break it down for us Chris Sale looked absolutely impressive as he delivered a complete game shutout um he allowed just five hits struck out 11 issued zero walks and most importantly struck out Shohei Otani twice.
59:38
SPEAKER_00: I mean that's a defeat lately doesn't matter that's the most important stat that I just stated okay still counts at 37 years old Chris Dale just looked like an absolute force um he did throw his first pitch over 100 miles an hour since the 2018 season the hitter that pitch came the hitter that that pitch came against shoheotani again it was a ball but that's okay doesn't matter it was still over a hundred um stale ended up throwing 109 pitches um and Walt Weiss talked about in the postgame how Sale just appeared to be on a mission from the beginning to finish the game um and if you watched you know that all the scoring action in this game happened in one hitter uh it happened to be the leadoff hitter who hit a home run off Yoshinobu Yamamoto pitch tonight by the way excellent yeah I'm probably glad he didn't see Drake Baldwin um what are your thoughts on sales performance in this game buddy dude what a performance man um and we're gonna get a little fun with this um so again this man 37 years old 16 year vet um in this league AJ 16 years yeah um did something that hasn't he hasn't done since 2018 like you mentioned throwing a pitch over 100 miles an hour right big deal right he hasn't hit triple digits uh in a game uh in eight years eight years AJ and uh yeah his average fastball velocity right now AJ do you know what it is this season I would guess it's probably 95 96.1 a little higher okay 96.1 that is up from 94.9 which is a huge jump again AJ I say this again 37 year old jump from 94.9 to 96.1 average fastball vO uh the average fastball vO for him is uh 96.1 AJ is the highest he has ever had since his first season in the league which by the way AJ he wasn't even a starter he was a reliever which means you let it eat yep you let it eat when that happens so you're throwing as hard as you want.
1:01:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah absolutely it's also been eight years since he threw his last complete game um which was also a shutout by the way in 2019 um so seven years uh against the Royals again AJ he is 37 years old coming off of TJ in 2021 missed most of the 2022 season as well AJ what the heck are we seeing from Chris Sale guy's like he's older than you isn't he no he's not just like I appreciate that though yeah this guy is this guy is he was older than me when we started the channel yeah oh yeah he's an elder statesman in in pitching by the way absolutely and as you get older AJ you're not supposed to get faster especially coming up you know some say you do get better after Tommy John but not when you're in your late 30s that's not how that works right yeah that's it's just not supposed to be designed that way yeah this guy's just come out and he's he has really honed his craft dude um the the new pitching coach it has just done great things with all of these guys um and and Chris Dale you can see is really benefiting from it um his his crazy slider that comes out of his hand and moves like 24 inches horizontally I don't know how anybody can even think about hitting that pitch.
1:03:01
SPEAKER_02: It's simple you just don't swing at it and hope it's a ball.
1:03:03
SPEAKER_00: That that's exactly it.
1:03:05
SPEAKER_00: But the problem is he starts at like two feet outside of the box then hits the outside corner with it.
1:03:09
SPEAKER_00: So now it's like if you don't swing at it now you look like a fool.
1:03:13
SPEAKER_02: For sure for sure yeah no I mean I mean hashtag don't gimme bears right um for those of you who know you know I'll explain to you after the show.
1:03:22
SPEAKER_00: I do want to get your take on something though AJ yeah there's a lot of discourse going online saying that um he's not doing this by natural means have have you seen him does he look jacked that's not how steroids work I I understand that especially for pitchers but but the thing is is why why do we got to assume that everybody that's performing at an age after you've had a new pitching coach like for all we know the pitching coaches before were just like you're Chris Sale just keep doing what you're doing and the new pitching coach comes in he's like hey what if you made this change to your arm angle what if you kicked a little bit higher and kept your way back a half second longer and you know what I mean like it it doesn't take much in some of these situations to fine-tune a well-oiled machine that is Chris Sale already it's not like he's been bad for the last couple of years it's not like he just recently turned over and now he's now he's a Cy like he was a Cy Young candidate last year.
1:04:25
SPEAKER_00: He was a Cy Young candidate the year before this guy's been great for years um so to say that all of a sudden now he's using stero I don't I just don't believe that.
1:04:37
SPEAKER_02: It's not saying all of a sudden like it's there's just been an obvious uptick ever since he joined the Braves.
1:04:42
SPEAKER_02: Hey where he is average fastball velocity's gone up and yes he did have some injuries um but the the discourse online is that a guy his age with his injury history should not be able to increase his velocity that much over that amount of time you don't think that's even slightly suspicious.
1:05:02
SPEAKER_00: I don't because I'm I'm a Braves fan okay I think this is perfectly normal Chris Sales doing what he's supposed to do at 37 years old.
1:05:12
SPEAKER_02: Okay it's one pitch he threw one pitch no his average fastball velocity fast is literally almost two miles an hour faster which is unheard of for young players it's like 1.5 no it's from 96.1 from 94.9 so it's one point two it's one mile an hour faster okay well if you're rounding down AJ yeah but you got to think about how many pitches he's thrown anyway I'm just wanting to gauge your focus on this one because I I I want to I I love it because the reason why I brought that up is I want to put this one to bed um there was an obvious shift between how he's pitching with the Red Sox and how he's pitching with the Braves.
1:05:52
SPEAKER_02: He's had a lot more saying over his own conditioning his own repertoire and how he's running his pitching and the pitching staff is listening to him And letting him throw the way he wants to throw.
1:06:02
SPEAKER_02: I don't think Boston was as free as Atlanta is with him.
1:06:05
SPEAKER_02: I definitely think that there's a difference there.
1:06:08
SPEAKER_02: I think the upkeep and the pitch clock, I think it keeps allows him to be fresh.
1:06:12
SPEAKER_02: I think that allows him to continue to throw when he's throwing in rhythm.
1:06:16
SPEAKER_02: I while I do think it looks suspicious.
1:06:19
SPEAKER_02: I don't think that you can easily just say, oh, okay, this is obviously Verlander going from Detroit to Houston and all of a sudden he's throwing 99 when he the he topped out at 95.
1:06:30
SPEAKER_02: Like I don't think this is that.
1:06:32
SPEAKER_02: Right?
1:06:33
SPEAKER_02: I think this is a little bit more nuanced than that.
1:06:35
SPEAKER_02: So anyway, I just thought it'd be fun to kind of get your your take on that.
1:06:38
SPEAKER_02: Um awesome start from him, man.
1:06:41
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely love to see it.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_02: You love to see it.
1:06:43
SPEAKER_02: You'd love to see the Braves doing well because I just think the better when the Braves see it.
1:06:46
SPEAKER_00: You love to see it on a guy that's 37 years old, dude.
1:06:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I just think you know, there's so many times where you see these great pitchers come in and you see that they have a chance for a legendary career, get cut short for injury, they go to a different team and they just never they never go anywhere after that, right?
1:07:02
SPEAKER_02: Just it's just done, right?
1:07:04
SPEAKER_02: Um, and to see him win a Cy Yang with the Braves after everybody thought he was washed, I think is just awesome.
1:07:10
SPEAKER_02: I think it's it's a great way for for him.
1:07:12
SPEAKER_02: And uh yeah, like I said, I don't think I think it's too early to do that.
1:07:16
SPEAKER_02: I love the whole, you know, always cheating kind of thing, because you know you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.
1:07:20
SPEAKER_02: I just think some of these, I just think some of these uh to your point, I think too many people are quick to jump to it.
1:07:25
SPEAKER_02: I just think it's kind of funny.
1:07:26
SPEAKER_00: It's true.
1:07:26
SPEAKER_02: Um, we want to hear from you folks.
1:07:27
SPEAKER_02: Let us know what your thoughts are on the comments down below.
1:07:29
SPEAKER_02: Love this from for specific Northwest Ute.
1:07:31
SPEAKER_02: He says here, uh, more like Shohei no tawny.
1:07:35
SPEAKER_02: Or how about no shohei o tawny?
1:07:37
SPEAKER_02: Like the no shows.
1:07:38
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that was sad.
1:07:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no show, shohei oh four, like shohei oh four tani.
1:07:47
SPEAKER_02: Oh for four no tani.
1:07:49
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
1:07:49
SPEAKER_02: Oh, damn.
1:07:50
SPEAKER_02: Sorry, buddy.
1:07:51
SPEAKER_02: Sorry.
1:07:51
SPEAKER_02: Uh I'll stop.
1:07:52
SPEAKER_02: Uh, we got another comment here from friend of the uh channel, Temi Price.
1:07:55
SPEAKER_02: It's been uh it's because people can't believe someone overage can can do overage can that's exactly it.
1:08:03
SPEAKER_02: I can't say that.
1:08:04
SPEAKER_02: Will you read that off for me?
1:08:05
SPEAKER_00: It's because someone over the age of two can do something.
1:08:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:08:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's no age discrimination in baseball, right?
1:08:13
SPEAKER_02: No.
1:08:14
SPEAKER_02: Um uh not that I would stick up for a brave, correct.
1:08:18
SPEAKER_02: Um, no show is better, uh, is even better.
1:08:21
SPEAKER_02: No show hey is even better.
1:08:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
1:08:24
SPEAKER_02: For sure.
1:08:24
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, let's talk about another subject.
1:08:26
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about that.
1:08:27
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk the Anaheim Angel.
1:08:30
SPEAKER_00: Anaheim?
1:08:30
SPEAKER_00: It's not Ana, it's the LA Angels, I guess, now, huh?
1:08:33
SPEAKER_02: The LA Angels of Anaheim, of California, of America, of Earth, of the Milky Way galaxy.
1:08:39
SPEAKER_00: So, Darren, for the first time in more than two decades, Angels fans finally have a reason to believe that the franchise might be entering a new era.
1:08:50
SPEAKER_00: For the first time in two decades, um, Art Marino has agreed to sell a controlling interest in the Angels to Stan Kronke.
1:08:58
SPEAKER_00: Um, he is the owner behind the Los Angeles Rams, the Denver Nuggets, the Colorado Avalanche, and the Arsenal.
1:09:04
SPEAKER_00: Um, so if you're an Angels fan, you got to be excited, right?
1:09:08
SPEAKER_00: Because Kronke has a track record of track record of building championship-level organizations, and you know, with four of his teams winning titles in the last five years.
1:09:16
SPEAKER_00: So the Angels have been through 11 straight losing seasons, making the playoffs just once since 2010.
1:09:24
SPEAKER_00: Uh so now, after years of sell the team chance, uh, you got to wonder what a new owner could mean for spending, player development, and and really most importantly, just bringing winning baseball back to Anaheim.
1:09:38
SPEAKER_00: So the Angels are officially entering a new chapter.
1:09:41
SPEAKER_00: What are your thoughts and do the fans have a reason to be excited?
1:09:46
SPEAKER_02: They do have a reason to be excited, right?
1:09:48
SPEAKER_02: Like you mentioned it right there.
1:09:50
SPEAKER_02: He's already uh uh Stan, the owner, uh the new owner, is already uh proven to be a winning owner.
1:09:56
SPEAKER_02: Uh like you mentioned the Rams, the Nuggets, Avalanche, Arsnow.
1:09:59
SPEAKER_02: Um, these are all winning teams, right?
1:10:01
SPEAKER_02: This guy uh owns winning franchises.
1:10:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:10:04
SPEAKER_02: Um funny thing about the Rams, we'll get back to that here in a minute, uh, for why they should be concerned.
1:10:08
SPEAKER_02: Um the Angels uh had seven seasons of Mike Trout and Shohei Otani on the same team.
1:10:15
SPEAKER_02: Uh they made the postseason once in 2014 uh and got eliminated in the wildcard round.
1:10:23
SPEAKER_02: Um and they've had 11 straight seasons of losing baseball, like you mentioned.
1:10:27
SPEAKER_02: Um I think Artie finally sold the team because he couldn't come to terms with the uh city of Anaheim when it comes to the land.
1:10:37
SPEAKER_02: I think that's basically what it was.
1:10:38
SPEAKER_02: He's 80 years old, he realizes like, okay, we can't come to terms with this land.
1:10:42
SPEAKER_02: Um, and you know, I gotta we gotta upgrade the big A.
1:10:44
SPEAKER_02: It needs it, and I don't want to pay for it.
1:10:46
SPEAKER_02: And the city of Anaheim doesn't want to pay for it, so I'm just gonna sell the team.
1:10:49
SPEAKER_02: Well, believe it or not, uh Cronkey uh already is privately funded SoFi Stadium and a deal that cost about five billion dollars, AJ.
1:10:58
SPEAKER_02: Five billion dollars for SoFi Stadium where the Rams play.
1:11:02
SPEAKER_02: And guess what, AJ?
1:11:03
SPEAKER_02: That was with zero tax dollars.
1:11:05
SPEAKER_00: This is zero.
1:11:06
SPEAKER_00: Is this SoFi where the Chargers play as well?
1:11:09
SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't know.
1:11:10
SPEAKER_02: It says SoFi Stadium.
1:11:11
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
1:11:11
SPEAKER_02: I don't follow the NFL that closely, dude.
1:11:13
SPEAKER_02: Uh could care less.
1:11:15
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, it's basically just a concussion factory over there.
1:11:18
SPEAKER_02: Um Artie did uh did not um so Artie didn't want to spend a hundred million dollars that the big A needed uh for renovations, and here's an owner who does not hesitate to spend the extra money, uh, especially when it comes to all that extra land in the parking lot that they can do uh when it comes to developing that area, right?
1:11:37
SPEAKER_02: He just dropped five billion dollars on SoFi Stadium that he paid himself with his ownership group.
1:11:42
SPEAKER_02: He did not ask for a single dime in taxpayer money.
1:11:45
SPEAKER_02: And now that he owns the team, he's gonna be simply just saying, hey, let's keep the lease going for another 30 years.
1:11:50
SPEAKER_02: I'll develop it around it.
1:11:52
SPEAKER_02: You know, we'll we'll work together on this.
1:11:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:11:54
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely willing to do so, right?
1:11:56
SPEAKER_02: The Chargers do play there, by the way.
1:11:58
SPEAKER_02: Cool, good to know.
1:11:59
SPEAKER_02: Um, so here's the problem, AJ.
1:12:04
SPEAKER_02: The aid the Angels are not the Marlins.
1:12:08
SPEAKER_02: The AJs aren't the Marlins, they're not the Rockies, they're not the Pirates, they're not the Athletics.
1:12:13
SPEAKER_02: They weren't losers because they didn't spend money, AJ.
1:12:17
SPEAKER_02: They spent money.
1:12:18
SPEAKER_02: Justin Upton, Josh Hamilton, Albert Poolholz, Mike Trout, Anthony Randone, all these players got hundred million dollar contracts.
1:12:27
SPEAKER_02: Money has never been the problem for the Angels.
1:12:29
SPEAKER_02: It's just a badly run organization that wasted the entire career of Mike Trout.
1:12:34
SPEAKER_02: That is what the fans should really be asking when it comes to this deal.
1:12:38
SPEAKER_02: What is going to be the difference?
1:12:39
SPEAKER_02: How is this ownership going to turn this team around?
1:12:42
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:12:43
SPEAKER_02: He's got the track record, right?
1:12:45
SPEAKER_02: He's got the pedigree of owning multiple sports and multiple different leagues that all have you know been successful for him as an ownership group.
1:12:55
SPEAKER_02: But the problem is, is what who is he gonna hire, who's he gonna put in place to turn this team around and make them a winning franchise?
1:13:02
SPEAKER_02: Because, you know, again, I just think there's some things that are unforgivable, right?
1:13:08
SPEAKER_02: That this franchise did, and you gotta hope that this ownership won't do the same thing.
1:13:11
SPEAKER_02: One of them was definitely when Show Yo Tani went back to the Angels and said, Hey, here's what the Dodgers offer me.
1:13:17
SPEAKER_02: If you match it, I'll stay.
1:13:19
SPEAKER_02: They just said no.
1:13:20
SPEAKER_02: They didn't even bother countering, they just said no.
1:13:22
SPEAKER_02: They're like, Yeah, nah.
1:13:23
SPEAKER_02: That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.
1:13:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then on top of that, they didn't even but why would you not trade him if you knew you weren't gonna sign him?
1:13:31
SPEAKER_02: Why do you not trade him?
1:13:32
SPEAKER_02: Do you know how what you could have gotten on a rental for Shohei Otani?
1:13:35
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna go with a lot.
1:13:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're talking like eight prospects.
1:13:39
SPEAKER_02: So bad ownership, bad front management.
1:13:42
SPEAKER_02: Hopefully, this ownership group understands what it takes to play winning baseball.
1:13:45
SPEAKER_02: Because unfortunately, baseball's not the same as all these other leagues, man.
1:13:49
SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's a lot of other teams that purchase inside of baseball and then get out of it simply because they realize that this is not like other sports.
1:13:57
SPEAKER_02: So hopefully they got a uh plan here, man.
1:13:59
SPEAKER_02: I hope they do.
1:14:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
1:14:03
SPEAKER_00: Well, it'll be excited to see what happens.
1:14:05
SPEAKER_00: Uh I think they got a chance to.
1:14:08
SPEAKER_00: You know, hopefully Crunchy comes in and does make some changes and maybe hopefully make some front office changes and Artie did fire his front office about six months ago.
1:14:19
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:14:20
SPEAKER_02: I think it's been six months.
1:14:22
SPEAKER_02: But uh Artie Moreno did fire fire the front office.
1:14:24
SPEAKER_02: I think there's like an interterim run right now.
1:14:27
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, you expect that the new ownership would want their own people in there.
1:14:30
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
1:14:31
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
1:14:32
SPEAKER_00: It'll be exciting to see what happens, man.
1:14:36
SPEAKER_02: You're you're leading the next uh intro.
1:14:39
SPEAKER_00: So moving on.
1:14:44
SPEAKER_00: Um it was announced that Shohe Otani's return to pitching would be indefinitely delayed after Shohei had some discomfort in his left knee after a bullpen session.
1:14:55
SPEAKER_00: So he noted that he did not feel 100% and that um sorry, he didn't feel 100% after he threw and uh Dodgers manager Dave Roger went went went to flow and you know stated that if any other pitcher felt that way, that um they'd pull them from you know they're not gonna put him out of the mound.
1:15:13
SPEAKER_00: So I got a couple questions here.
1:15:15
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:15:16
SPEAKER_00: Why wouldn't the Dodgers just shut down his pitching for the year?
1:15:19
SPEAKER_00: Is my first question.
1:15:21
SPEAKER_00: And second, do you think this was a Dave Roberts decision or a Shohei Otani decision?
1:15:29
SPEAKER_02: So I think the Dodgers know that what Otani wants um is Otani's gonna get, right?
1:15:34
SPEAKER_02: He's not he's not just an important piece for for their current success.
1:15:38
SPEAKER_02: It's no surprise the Dodgers won back-to-back World Series once he got here.
1:15:42
SPEAKER_02: He's not just a missing piece, right?
1:15:45
SPEAKER_02: This guy is literally the beacon that the Dodgers needed to bring in success both on and off the field.
1:15:51
SPEAKER_02: They were the first team to make a billion dollars.
1:15:53
SPEAKER_02: A lot of that had to do with Shoei Otani and the fact that his success on the field happened when he showed up.
1:15:59
SPEAKER_02: You know, that's obviously here nor there.
1:16:01
SPEAKER_02: We got Yamamoto in help because of Otani.
1:16:03
SPEAKER_02: We got Roki Sasaki again in help because of uh Otani.
1:16:07
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, a lot of these players that agreed to sign here got bigger contract offers from other other places, but they wanted to play with Shohei, so they were willing to come here.
1:16:16
SPEAKER_02: He is the beacon that holds this team together.
1:16:18
SPEAKER_02: So when Shohei wants something, he gets it.
1:16:21
SPEAKER_02: Um he said he wasn't uh right coming off, he hasn't been right since he stepped off the pitching mound in early July.
1:16:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, what should have happened at that point is they should have shut him down for Eval on a 10 day, right?
1:16:32
SPEAKER_02: At minimum.
1:16:33
SPEAKER_02: Put him on the IL for 10 day.
1:16:34
SPEAKER_02: No DHing, no pitching on the IL for 10 day.
1:16:38
SPEAKER_02: Um that's what should have happened, but that's not what happened.
1:16:40
SPEAKER_02: He was literally in the lineup the next day as lead off hitter for the Los Angeles Dodgers after he was pulled from his start.
1:16:46
SPEAKER_02: They let him DH for another two weeks, um, and you know, and then again started his throlling program back up again or wrapping it back up.
1:16:53
SPEAKER_02: Uh, they should have never done that.
1:16:54
SPEAKER_02: Uh then when the once the knee returned, they should have shut him down for at least another 10 days, which they also didn't do.
1:17:00
SPEAKER_02: Um, but this hasn't been a, you know, it's not an isolated issue, right?
1:17:05
SPEAKER_02: This is something that Otani is doing in the World Series uh in 2024, he is literally wearing an arm brace and still trying to swing, even though he had a separated shoulder, right?
1:17:14
SPEAKER_02: This guy was just the kid's shoulder is still trying to play, right?
1:17:17
SPEAKER_02: Because Shoei Otani with one shoulder is still better than 90% of all the other players.
1:17:22
SPEAKER_00: He's definitely not a college football player.
1:17:23
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
1:17:24
SPEAKER_02: What actually makes me think, AJ, uh is this guy, you know, this guy doesn't think he's more important than he is, but what I have to say is is that why is he in the lineup at all?
1:17:36
SPEAKER_02: If you are this hurt to where you're throwing off the mound and there's enough pain in your knee that you can shut down, you need to shut down pitching, why are you stealing bags and still at the plate swinging, still running, why is this guy not shot down all the way?
1:17:54
SPEAKER_02: The only thing reason I can think of is that the docks, the Dodgers, Dave Roberts, don't want to risk upsetting him.
1:18:05
SPEAKER_02: If he was if it was anybody else, they would have shut him down.
1:18:09
SPEAKER_02: But because it's Shohei Otani, they don't want to risk upsetting him, they don't want to bruise his ego or what have you, and that's why he continues to play.
1:18:17
SPEAKER_02: So that's my question to you, AJ.
1:18:19
SPEAKER_02: Who's really running the Dodgers right now?
1:18:22
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think the simple question is always going to be Shohei Otani.
1:18:28
SPEAKER_00: Uh I I think that the Dodgers understand fully that this team goes where Shohei goes, right?
1:18:34
SPEAKER_00: Like you said, they they got him a couple years ago, and all of a sudden they are the team to beat across the across all of Major League Baseball.
1:18:43
SPEAKER_00: So if Shohei feels like he can play and he can hit, they're gonna say, Okay, you play and you hit.
1:18:49
SPEAKER_00: And if Shohei feels like he can pitch, they're gonna say, Okay, Shohei, you pitch.
1:18:52
SPEAKER_00: They're going to do whatever it takes to keep this guy in the lineup because he's gonna help you no matter where he's at.
1:18:58
SPEAKER_00: He's that important to this team and any team, he's that important to baseball.
1:19:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, you you've got to believe that I think Shohei is the type of player that says if he's supposed to be in the lineup and he goes to a stadium where people played paid premium money for a seat to watch him play, he wants to be out on the field.
1:19:20
SPEAKER_00: And even if they only if they are only watching him hit, he wants to be out there hitting.
1:19:24
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:19:24
SPEAKER_00: Like he he is that guy that um cares about the game and and he cares about how he looks to this team.
1:19:31
SPEAKER_00: And I think that it shows that he's a a stand-up guy that that wants to be the face of this league and is the face of this league.
1:19:40
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, the the Dodgers are just gonna roll with the punches, they're gonna let Shohei do whatever he can do to help this team.
1:19:45
SPEAKER_02: I agree with you 100% on that, if as long as he's helping the team.
1:19:50
SPEAKER_02: He's not helping this team.
1:19:52
SPEAKER_00: I haven't watched a ton of Dodgers baseball.
1:19:54
SPEAKER_00: Except for the last three.
1:19:57
SPEAKER_02: You watched the last three games?
1:19:58
SPEAKER_00: Well, the last three they played the Braves.
1:20:00
SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
1:20:01
SPEAKER_02: Alright, anyway.
1:20:05
SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, it's gotta be nice, man.
1:20:07
SPEAKER_02: It's gotta be nice to actually have the regular season matter to you.
1:20:09
SPEAKER_02: It's always gotta be nice.
1:20:11
SPEAKER_02: Um, I would, you know, for me it's just a really, really long spring training.
1:20:14
SPEAKER_02: It's really frustrating.
1:20:16
SPEAKER_02: Uh I think at some point, man, you really gotta sit at it and look at it this way.
1:20:19
SPEAKER_02: Like at some point, Otani is going to be his own worst enemy.
1:20:23
SPEAKER_02: The fact that we're sitting here now and he's not performing on the field, he's batting, you know, he's still getting like, you know, he's still batting like 250, 260, you know, and he's still getting still getting hits, um, you know, still getting on base.
1:20:36
SPEAKER_02: You know, he's not killing the ball anymore.
1:20:39
SPEAKER_02: He's been at 30 home runs for a while now.
1:20:41
SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't think I think at some point the Dodgers need to start treating him like every other player, and they need to they need to keep Shohei from getting in his own way.
1:20:55
SPEAKER_02: They need to say, okay, look, it's time to shut you down for a 10-day IL.
1:20:59
SPEAKER_02: Your knee's not right.
1:21:00
SPEAKER_02: Let's get you off the field.
1:21:02
SPEAKER_02: Let's get you rested up and ready to go for the final run for the last 15 games of the year and get you in better shape.
1:21:08
SPEAKER_02: Let's shut down pitching, let's just move on from that, let's just have you hit again, and we'll worry about the rest later.
1:21:14
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you'd think at some point they have to, but but they are going to do whatever it takes to keep Shohei happy.
1:21:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:21:19
SPEAKER_02: At this point, if it was anybody else, they would have done it by now.
1:21:21
SPEAKER_02: I'm just saying at some point the Dodgers need to have that conversation with Shohei, um, and hopefully before the season's over.
1:21:27
SPEAKER_02: Um, we want to hear from you folks.
1:21:28
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1:21:30
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1:21:41
SPEAKER_02: Apparently the Clippers this week.
1:21:42
SPEAKER_00: Clippers happen to be in there.
1:21:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:21:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:21:44
SPEAKER_02: What else you got?
1:21:45
SPEAKER_00: Oh, um Did you see that Ronald Acunia Jr.
1:21:49
SPEAKER_00: had a home run today?
1:21:50
SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, actually I did.
1:21:52
SPEAKER_02: I did see that.
1:21:53
SPEAKER_00: Did you know, did you see the significance of his home run today?
1:21:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it was like his 200th career home run.
1:21:58
SPEAKER_00: It just so happened it was his 200th career home run.
1:22:01
SPEAKER_00: That home run made him the fastest player in MLB history to reach 200 home runs and 200 stolen bases.
1:22:08
SPEAKER_00: So he joined the 200-200 club in his 904th game, which is 25 games quicker than seven-time all-star Alfonso Soriano, who previously held the record.
1:22:21
SPEAKER_00: Shut up.
1:22:22
SPEAKER_00: The next four games, the sorry, the next four names on that list are Eric Davis, Bobby Bonds, Sammy Sosa, and Barry Bonds for the fastest to reach the 200-200 club.
1:22:33
SPEAKER_02: Very nice.
1:22:34
SPEAKER_02: Very nice.
1:22:35
SPEAKER_02: A few names on that you don't want to be associated with.
1:22:38
SPEAKER_00: As I was typing that, I was like, maybe I shouldn't type.
1:22:41
SPEAKER_00: Derek's not gonna let this one go.
1:22:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:22:42
SPEAKER_02: Derek's not gonna be let this one go.
1:22:44
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, it's it's still it's good, man.
1:22:47
SPEAKER_02: Especially since he missed an entire season with that ACL injury.
1:22:51
SPEAKER_00: That's kind of exactly what I was thinking.
1:22:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then on top of that, then he also tore the other one like the very next year.
1:22:56
SPEAKER_02: Like he's missed a lot of time.
1:22:58
SPEAKER_00: He's battled a lot of injuries this year as well.
1:23:00
SPEAKER_00: He he's finally kind of looking a little bit more like himself.
1:23:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, obviously hit a home run today, but I mean it's been like 15 games since he's hit one.
1:23:09
SPEAKER_00: He hasn't hit the ball great since he's been back, but he's he's slowly getting back to form.
1:23:14
SPEAKER_02: Hang him up, man.
1:23:15
SPEAKER_02: It's been 15 games since he hit a home run.
1:23:17
SPEAKER_02: Hang him up.
1:23:18
SPEAKER_02: By that logic, Shoey O'Tani should hang it up too.
1:23:21
SPEAKER_02: You know, just hang it up.
1:23:23
SPEAKER_02: 15 games.
1:23:25
SPEAKER_00: It's more like the Braves need him to start turning it on here soon, right?
1:23:29
SPEAKER_00: Like we've we've had a little bit of an offensive lull.
1:23:32
SPEAKER_00: We we could use some Ronald Acuna Jr.
1:23:34
SPEAKER_00: magic if we can get it.
1:23:35
SPEAKER_02: AJ, the Dodgers have a whole season of off offensive lull.
1:23:38
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to hear it.
1:23:40
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to hear about it.
1:23:42
SPEAKER_02: We want to hear from you folks.
1:23:43
SPEAKER_02: Let us know your thoughts in the comments down below.
1:23:45
SPEAKER_02: Greg Hawkins, friend of the channel.
1:23:47
SPEAKER_02: Before we get out of here, I want to quickly give a shout out to him and his Chicago Cubs while he talked about how they have been kind of stinking it up lately.
1:23:54
SPEAKER_02: Uh, it was really cool to see um basically what we talked about like three weeks ago, how you know PCA literally has it the MVP on lock.
1:24:03
SPEAKER_02: We called it like three weeks ago.
1:24:04
SPEAKER_02: Everybody else is putting out their videos now saying it's a lock.
1:24:06
SPEAKER_02: We did it like three weeks ago.
1:24:08
SPEAKER_00: Check it out, you know.
1:24:09
SPEAKER_02: So whatever.
1:24:09
SPEAKER_02: But he hit five home runs in two games, which was awesome.
1:24:13
SPEAKER_00: That's insane, dude.
1:24:14
SPEAKER_02: That is awesome.
1:24:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so cool.
1:24:17
SPEAKER_02: Um, it's gonna be great, man.
1:24:18
SPEAKER_02: All the big names in baseball that you want to have in the playoffs are in a position to potentially make it.
1:24:23
SPEAKER_02: There are currently 16 teams in contention for a postseason game right now.
1:24:27
SPEAKER_02: 16 teams.
1:24:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh, literally anybody in the American League is practically uh eligible for uh a chance at the pa at the postseason, not really, but kind of.
1:24:35
SPEAKER_02: Um we want to hear from you folks.
1:24:36
SPEAKER_02: Let us know where your thoughts are in the comments down below.
1:24:38
SPEAKER_02: Who's your team?
1:24:39
SPEAKER_02: What are you rooting for?
1:24:40
SPEAKER_02: What do you want to see?
1:24:41
SPEAKER_02: We want to hear from you and let us know your thoughts.
1:24:43
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
1:24:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna, it's funny because with all that happening, it's gonna make for some good end of year baseball, you know, as we as we get into playoff season.
1:24:53
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, we're gonna be talking all about the playoff races going down to it.
1:24:56
SPEAKER_02: Um, you guys are in a bit of a hunt yourself right now.
1:24:58
SPEAKER_02: I think there's enough games where the Braves kind of pretty much have it.
1:25:00
SPEAKER_02: Uh, it would take kind of a losing streak for them to low lose the division, I think.
1:25:05
SPEAKER_02: But honestly, you don't want I don't know.
1:25:08
SPEAKER_02: I don't think you want that.
1:25:09
SPEAKER_02: You know, I think the Braves want to have it close going into the postseason, in my opinion.
1:25:16
SPEAKER_00: I think so.
1:25:17
SPEAKER_00: I I think they need to I think they need a fight to get there.
1:25:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, did you know the the fan duel odds on on who's gonna get the bye?
1:25:24
SPEAKER_00: I did not.
1:25:24
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so number one uh odds to get the bye for the first week of the playoffs is still the Dodgers.
1:25:30
SPEAKER_02: Uh simple because of the team and the schedule.
1:25:33
SPEAKER_02: Uh they're saying the Dodgers are more likely to get a bye than any other team.
1:25:36
SPEAKER_02: Uh, the next team is going to be the Brewers.
1:25:39
SPEAKER_02: They had the second best odds.
1:25:40
SPEAKER_02: Braves are third.
1:25:42
SPEAKER_02: Because the Braves, I think, have a harder schedule than the other two teams going into the game.
1:25:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we got a series count up of the Phillies.
1:25:48
SPEAKER_00: It's going to be everything.
1:25:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
1:25:50
SPEAKER_02: I'll bet.
1:25:51
SPEAKER_02: I'll bet.
1:25:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:25:52
SPEAKER_02: I think the Dodgers have a series with the Padres that I think would be uh momentum for the Padres, because if it is what I think it is, it's going to be the chance for the Padres to actually take that last spot in the pla postseason.
1:26:03
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, there's only one of those for us, but there's a few that you guys are going to run into for sure.
1:26:08
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
1:26:08
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1:26:11
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