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Avery Mason- Comedian/Actor: Gotham, The Punisher, Power · Caught on the Mike...

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  SPEAKER_02: Disclaimer.
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  SPEAKER_02: The views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of any entities.
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  SPEAKER_02: They represent listener discretion is advised.
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  SPEAKER_02: You may have been up on the show our document, the last OT, the good wife, or the puncher, or maybe you have the optimum or your local comedy club doing work with the first team.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's also a podcaster of the podcast, the I don't know the podcaster.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know though podcasts.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'd like to welcome everymazement to the show today.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's a bright comic with an even brighter future.
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  SPEAKER_02: Ladies and gentlemen, this is Caught on the Mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: Ladies and gentlemen, you may have seen my next guest on such shows as Power, Gotham, The Punisher.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's a stand-up comic and a fellow podcaster.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can find his podcast, IDK, though.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is it on all the podcasting platforms?
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  SPEAKER_02: All podcasting platforms.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely love it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am pleased to be joined by Avery Mason today.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_02: How you doing, man?
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, what's up, Mike?
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: Man, I hope your name is Mike too.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: Because I started calling, I didn't even ask because I caught on the mic.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: I hope I hope his name is Mike.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: I've been calling a mic.
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  SPEAKER_00: He hasn't corrected me yet.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: If it's wrong, please tell me.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: Because like when I was on set, I remember meeting this one makeup artist guy, and for for like two years, I thought his name was Brian until I heard somebody call him something else.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I was just like, why are you calling that?
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, that's his name.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I've been calling him Brian for like two years.
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  SPEAKER_00: He never corrected me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, he just said, okay.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, what, you know, so if it's not Mike, please just it's Mike.
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  SPEAKER_02: You got it, man.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_02: You got it.
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  SPEAKER_02: You got it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And pleased to meet you, my friend.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pleased to meet you too, man.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: Your name's not like Antoine, something like that.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: Mike for sure, but your name's Antoine.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_02: Well, well, Mike's not my legal name.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just kidding.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just kidding.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just kidding.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: Man, uh, your resume is growing pretty fast between stand-up comedy, podcasting, all the acting roles that you've been doing.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_02: Let's uh let's not waste any time.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_02: Let's talk a little bit about your life trajectory.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_02: And why don't you tell my audience kind of your origin story, how you got to where you're at right now?
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'll tell you guys, it's not as interesting as how Spider-Man came along, all three different versions of him, but it is, it's it's there.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I was I started off.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've always been a funny person, and um I never took it seriously until I got to stand up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, I got into stand-up.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_00: The first I used to work a day job.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you want me to say the company, I don't mind.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: I I used to work for Enterprise Rent A Car.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: Now, you know, fair warning, I'm about to trash Enterprise Rent A Car.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: So if you work for Enterprise and you listen to Call on the Mic, you may want to skip ahead like uh, you know, a few segments or whatever, but I hated the job.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't for me.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: I worked there seven years and I was completely miserable.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: Now, there are a couple of good things that happen when I worked at Enterprise.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: One, I discovered I wanted to do stand-up, and two, I was able to take a leap of faith and go pursue my dreams to be an actor.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, I'll start with the stand-up comedy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, one of my coworkers, shout out to my boy Craig, if you're wherever you are at listening, uh, he got a promotion and uh he was gonna be leaving the office and he was gonna go to a different branch of the company in Florida.
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  SPEAKER_00: So as a going away thing, they threw a little party for him and I asked if I could roast him.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I never roasted anybody before, but I figured I had a good sense of humor, and you know, I got good timing.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um they said, sure.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: And everybody had other presentations, nobody wanted to go after me.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone was like, no, I'll go before you because they're like, nah, you're working on it.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's all right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I get up there, I roasted him for like 15 minutes, straight fire, people laughing, and then it was at that moment that I was like, yeah, no, there's something to this.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: I want to do stand-up comedy.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have to figure out how I can do this like professionally.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: And that was part one.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_00: And then part two is me getting fed up with working at a dead end job.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, enterprise was not it for me.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm proud of whoever is out there.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: They they went up to the company, they're making their six figures.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: I was doing really well for myself.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: I had a nice 401k, but I was just miserable.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: I hated the commute, I didn't have any windows, I worked in a cubicle.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_00: No, I just this is this is not where I envisioned my life.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um so I so I quit.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: I quit the job.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I did the right way though.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't just walk out and flip a table saying, Oh, I want to know, Meon, who's coming with me, Meon?
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't do that.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: Who's come jam?
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, no.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: I gave him two weeks' notice.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um remember, I had the letter wrote.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: I wrote the letter a month because I knew I was gonna quit.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: I wrote the letter a month before and I just had it under my pillow every night, like a tooth, waiting for the for the job, quitting fairy to come by and deliver that.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: And that day came, I gave him the letter, he was what is this?
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, it's my resignation.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_00: He I he's was he could I could tell he was shocked, but I wasn't, I'm like, you couldn't see this coming?
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't know this was coming, man.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I quit, and then I haven't looked back since.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't looked back.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um far as the acting, the acting came along probably the same a year or two after I quit my job, where I was kind of running down on my savings, and um, you know, I needed to find work.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: And one of my comedians that I knew, shout out to Jessica Stern, she's a comedian in Tampa, Florida.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: She was like, Why don't you try background acting?
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they give you a hundred bucks and they give you free lunch or whatever.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, free lunch.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, Yeah, and they pay you.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, Yeah, but that lunch.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm a chubby, I'm a I'm not fat, I'm chubby, and you know, chubby people, you gotta keep your strength up.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I I like lunch and like brunch, I like lunch, second breakfast, whatever.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um so she tells me about it.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: I go, I go to central casting and I signed up, and that's pretty much where the acting started.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like at that point, there was another love affair with uh acting, and and and and from there it's it's kind of just been you know, it's a blessing.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's been not like but like you know, it's it's gone that way.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just I'm happy I'm for that.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's uh it's crazy.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: I just got done having a conversation with one of my friends who's a local radio DJ, and he's also a fellow podcaster, and we were talking a lot about taking bets on yourself and taking those risks and quitting that safety net of job A so you can pursue those dreams, and not enough people are ambitious enough to do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: So far in that journey, what's been the most rewarding thing that you've experienced since you walked away from enterprise and started getting some of these roles that you've attained?
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there are two things that's been rewarding to me.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: One, because everybody has a little bit of ego.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll tell you the first thing was having some of my old co-workers, you know, that I really wasn't too uh big fan of.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't you said I could talk all I talk, right?
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to be political.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: There were people in my job I didn't I didn't fucking like, okay?
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Let's put it like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they the best thing was when one of these people in particular called me and he was like, I didn't have his number saved.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, who who is this?
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Oh, it's me.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: What do you want?
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: Why you why are you calling me?
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I just wanted to know, man.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, is it true that is it true?
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what?
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, uh, are you gonna be on the Punisher?
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Yeah, it's true.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: When he said, Wow, man, all those years of him like making my life miserable and like saying all this, like it was just it was it was it felt good.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna lie to you.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, some people might be like, Well, what's the big deal?
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: But to me, that was like, because I hated that job.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: And the a lot of people, I didn't like the people I work with, some of them, and it's just like he was one of those people, and it felt good.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, wow, you because I'm sure when they thought they thought when I quit that I wasn't, oh, he's gonna he's gonna be in Penn Station with a with a cup, you know, right performing showtime, they thought that's what was gonna happen.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: And no.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and the second thing, most rewarding, was is is um having people come up to me and they want to talk to me, they want to take a picture with me, they're excited to see me.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: Some people, you know, they're telling me that you know meeting me has been like the highlight of their day.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: Because um, I I don't anybody who comes up to me and takes the time out to say, hey, what's up?
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: I liked you on such and such show.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: I saw you your comedy on this, and they want to talk, I always talk to them.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't turn anybody away, I don't say no to pictures because it's like, you know, people don't do that, especially I don't know where you're from.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm from New York.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: People don't do that, people don't just stop because New Yorkers don't care.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: There was a guy in Times Square playing a guitar in his underwear, and nobody cared.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: People walked right by him.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody was like, Why is he wearing clothes?
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: People just walked by him.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: He was there for years, the naked cowboy.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: But so so for New Yorkers to stop and be like, hey, man, aren't you wouldn't you on, you know, that to me that's been I I make someone's day that by simply just talking to them and taking a picture, that that that that's uh that's top 10 for me, life.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: Top 10.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_02: I absolutely love that, and I think you and I have this kinship in a very similar regard.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_02: I spent a lot of years trying to make it in the music business, and high school was hell for me.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_02: And high school and my first couple of years were absolute hell for me.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_02: And when things started going well in the music business, and I was getting played on local radio stations, the jackasses that would come out of the woodwork that wouldn't give me a high five to save my life in high school, but all of a sudden became my best friends when they saw me on a rock fest stage playing with some of their favorite bands.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_02: It was it was almost disgusting.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: Boy, that's the best.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you, it's just like you know, these people, I mean, uh, they just like, yeah, you squitting uh guy was always late.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know why I was always like because I didn't want to be here, like I didn't.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I did insurance claims, none of that's fun.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: Imagine somebody wrecks your Maserati, and you gotta call a guy like me who doesn't want to be there, and now I'm just like, Yeah, how much uh yeah, I don't.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's all I did.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's the pressing job.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, wasn't for me.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_02: Some of the roles that you've been able to get, is that a byproduct of your fandom?
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like noticing that you were in power and Gotham and The Punisher, were you fans of those shows beforehand, or was it did it just happen happenstance?
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's a great question.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'll be honest with you.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I did not watch power until I got onto it.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason for that is um I'm I'm a very budget conscious uh person.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: And when you're doing stand-up comedy and acting, like you gotta choose, you know, it's it's not the most unless you make it to the top, top, it's not the most glorious.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like I don't know what kind of lifestyle people think I'm living, but the reason I have my background blurred is because my room is an absolute mess.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm not in a mansion, I live in an apartment, you know.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: So budget, budget, budget, budget.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because you you as an actor, you kind of go from check to check.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm the money's on the kids, the money's on the food, the money was not on premium cable.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_00: I did not have premium cable.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: So whatever the basic package was and whatever little channels that we could steal, that was what we had.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I didn't, I didn't, I didn't stars was a premium, so I didn't have it.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so the only two shows that I was aware of, because they were on regular TV, was Gotham and um no, The Punisher.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I was a fan of comics, let me put that there.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I knew about Gotham and I knew about The Punisher.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_00: I had Netflix, but that that was the only um extra thing we spent for was Netflix and the internet, you know.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: So um getting on power was just like it was cool.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then once I learned more about what the show was about and the world, I I loved it.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was fantastic writing, it was a great opportunity, great experience.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: I love being on power because it was my it was like being in college, you know.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: You I was there for four four years, it's like freshman, sophomore, junior, senior, and then the show kind of ended.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: The first, you know, the first chapter of it ended.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and you kind of graduate to other things.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: But I think I loved all being on the show was a great experience.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: I loved all the people I met, but my I gotta say, my most fun I've ever had on set, like because it was just it was shocking to me how nice this person was was being on The Punisher and Um getting to work with John Bernthal.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I've been a fan of John Bernthal because I watched The Walking Dead and I was a fan of his work on that show.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know what kind of actor he was, and I, you know, I never worked with anybody like that.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I get on set and I'm just nervous because this is my first guest starring role on The Punisher.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: First guest starring.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I'm nervous.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just like, I'm trying to be professional, I'm trying to be, you know, keep to myself.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to bother nobody.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, how you doing?
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: Avery, nice to meet you.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: Shake hands, okay, good.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I sit down.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't want to mess up, I just try to be out the way.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: He went out of his way to talk to me.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: And like, he's talking to me.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: And we're talking regular.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: At first, it started off regular, and then we start figuring out that we both kind of come from the same area.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Where are you from?
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm from Brooklyn.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: He tells me where he lives, and I'm like, You live over there?
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Yeah, but by the Y.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, wait, what?
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I we did some more specific talking, and he was like, Yeah, nearby such and such place.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, You gotta be kidding me.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: You live there?
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_00: I play ball there all the time.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Yeah, me too.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: You play ball?
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: And he the first thing he said to me was, I do play ball, but I don't look from the looks of it, I don't think you keep up with me, Avery.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'll bang you around in the paint.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm looking, I said, you know what it's like to like, you know, you have this idea of what these mega stars are like, and to be able to have a regular conversation with him.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: So my brain is blown.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sitting there looking at him.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, man, I can't believe this.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: John Burnthal is shit talking to me right now.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: I said, John, I said, John, you're great.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, the acting here.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: We get on the basketball court.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: I will bust your ass, John.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Well, I don't know about that.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, You're not gonna sit here and tell me I can't play ball.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: You can get a ball right now and go between takes, let's go to other courts, right?
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: I thought he was talking or have never have met me.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: The amount of shit he talked, and it was like it was so refreshing.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: Because you know, guys, we talk so much shit to each other, right?
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: But it was refreshing to be just like, it was like I could relax, and I I mean, I love being on power, but even when I was on there, I was like always like nervous, like I want to make a good impression.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: And once I got comfortable, but immediately day one on set, he was like, cut the nonsense, we talking shit, and then it was like we talked shit for like the rest of the time I was there.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and even um after I finished filming, I sent everybody gifts as like a thank you.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: So some of the other cast members I sent them something, but for him, I sent him a mini hoop and a basketball when I wrote a note that said, Anytime you want it, now you have no excuses.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I love that guy, and it's it's crazy you say that because you think about his the character of Shane that he played on The Walking Dead, and that character was such an asshole.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: And then I know when I launched my podcast three and a half years ago, that's about the same time he started doing real ones, his podcast.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: And yes, yeah, to listen to the humanity he brought out of some of the people that he's had on his show, like it was like, Man, I just want to hang out with this guy, he is like a real one, and and hearing your story just kind of reinforces that thought.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: I absolutely love that.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: He's an absolutely gem of a guy.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry to cut you off.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: He is an absolute gem of a guy.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if you if you listen to his podcast, folks, and this isn't like this isn't paid advertising, he doesn't have like famous people on there.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: He'll have people like with stories, like like there was a guy he had on there that would like went to jail, never been in jail before, and like had to learn to survive in jail.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: He was on there, he's had like drug dealers, he's had like all people from all walks of life, like regular people who've lived these crazy things that you would not expect, and just and just down to earth conversation.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: So if once you finish listening to this podcast, caught on the mic, go check out my podcast, I don't know though.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: Available wherever you get your podcast, and then go check out real ones.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to John Bernthal.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: So that that was the perfect segue because I was just about to ask you about I don't know though podcast.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: How did you get into that and kind of what's the basis of your podcast?
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: What's it about?
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so I've been I've been podcasting for a long time.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: If you do some digging on Google somewhere, you type in, you could probably find one of my first podcasts that I did.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: I had a podcast.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: It was just it was it was kind of around I started around the time that I first started doing comedy.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: I really didn't have direction, I was just talking trash, talking shit, current events, sports, just whatever.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: It lasted like an hour.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: I interviewed my cousins.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: I really, you know, I just didn't have a direction.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then um, let's fast forward.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I stopped doing that original podcast.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, COVID hits.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so now everybody's at home.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's no comedy shows, there's no anything.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I was talking to one of my comedy buddies, Mr.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: Phil Hunt.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: He's the co-host of the show.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I would, I would call comedians that I that I saw on the regular, I would call them like almost every day just to say, hey man, are you okay?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: How's it going?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: Are you safe?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because you know, we were doing shows on the subway, some shows were in the park, so you know, Zoom.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, hey man, are you all right?
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, and and we would have these regular conversations.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: We would talk about everything, and it'd be like an hour, two hours.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: So eventually I said to him, hey man, you're not doing anything.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not doing anything.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: Why don't we make this a podcast?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: And he was, you know, what do you mean?
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, Well, you already do your podcast, you you, you know, you don't have a host, co-host.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: Why don't you do this won't meet?
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: And let's do what we're doing on the phone.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: We'll just talk.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: Talk sports, we'll talk current events.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: And for a twist, this is the twist of our podcast.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: We give advice.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'll go through the advice columns and they give these really these neutered answers.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll answer people's advice questions from a comedic perspective.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean everything, and we just we just talk.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: And that and we just you know, guy talk, you know what I'm saying?
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: We just give these advice, it's just sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's serious, and it's you know, it is what it is.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: But we call it I don't know though, because if the advice works, great.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: If not, we're not therapists.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: We never said we were.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: You take this advice with salt.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it works, I don't know though.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: You don't don't don't come sue me.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: I always say before the advice segment, I always say, I'm not an expert, I have a college degree, not in therapy.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know you, you know what I mean?
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: If it works, great, if not, I don't know.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what to tell you.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: What have you found through doing this podcast project that has fulfilled you where other avenues haven't?
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's something that's my own and that I'm responsible for.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: And it's watching it grow from like we're up to episode 101 now.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and honestly, I I didn't really think about having a hundred episodes.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: Now we we got like a sponsor or two, and it's just amazing to see it grow.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: And that it's like planting a seed and watching the seed bloom.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, cool, this is my baby now.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: This is I can make this grow.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: And there's people out there who want to hear what I have to say, and it's amazing because I don't know any of these people, like we have subscribers, we have you know people uh who um interact with our show, like they we have a YouTube channel also.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I know I don't know though pod on YouTube, and people go on there and they like, they comment, and they you know, they say what they want to say, and you know it's it's fine.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: I and I love it.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: I love watching people circle around and like I like what these guys are talking about.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: They're cool, they're understandable, you know, they're not it's not it, it's not PhD material, it's not CNN, it's not CNET, it's just two guys who you may meet at a bar, share a drink with, have a few laughs, and go home.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: And that's really what it is.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's I love to hear that you have made it past the hundred episode mark because uh what a lot of people don't realize about podcasting is it is a long game.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like most podcasts that start do not make it out of the one-year mark.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: They actually call that pod fading.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm I'm just now I think I'm in the 130s now.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure exactly where where I'm at exactly, but it is crazy to watch something.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: You described it perfectly.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's like planting a seed and watching it grow and build a community around it.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: What are your long-term ambitions with I don't know though?
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to see it get picked up by like a Barstool Sports or um, you know, iHeart Radio has the Black Podcast Network and get distributed to a larger audience.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's only so far we can go on our own, but I would love to see get picked up and just you know give us some more production value so we can do bigger and better.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like I have plans to want to like because we me and myself and Phil, who also host the show, we both comedians, so I'd love to kind of do like a live comedy podcast of this and maybe take.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: On the road, and you know, film it and just you know put it out there.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: And um that that's where I would see it going and just building, maybe, maybe getting us you know picked up into a network.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how old you are, but there Adam Carolla and Jimmy Kimmel used to have the show called The Man Show, and I loved that show.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: It and it wasn't not that it wasn't for women, but all the jokes were like you know, fart jokes, beard jokes, stuff, ziggy zag, ziggy zag, like something like that.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: I loved I loved that feeling of what it was, and it was quality, it made me laugh.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: And that's kind of like what I want our show to be um in our own way, but just like where we're we we can be on TV, or even what Pat McAfee's done.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: I look at what Pat McAfee's done with his podcast, and he was another person that they didn't believe in, they didn't want to give him money either.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: Pat McAfee, he's a punter.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: What does he care?
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: But he built himself up to where everyone was like, all right, we gotta have him.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what I kind of see it as.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of like looking at this, man, that could definitely be us.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: Where we're still doing our own thing, but we come, we do this podcast, and now it has to be on MTV or VH1, it has to be on you know, whatever this YouTube thing is, and then you know, the money comes in.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: Look at Shannon Sharp, dude.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: Look at Shannon Sharp.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that interview with Cat Williams, come on, like how much money did he make on that?
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like he was doing great, but that just put him in the to a whole nother tier.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: He said it himself.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: I never one check from the NFL, never got this much doing NFL, doing anything else.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: YouTube, where he owns it, and they paid him cash out.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: You think about it, and I'm sure you guys have experienced this as well.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: You get past that episode 75 point, and then everything that happens after that feels like it's the next big oh shit moment because you drop it and it's something to be excited about.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, man, I feel like I'm in I can't define it, but I feel like with every episode I drop, I'm inching closer to some goal that I cannot define.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: I love the fact that you brought up the man show because that was fringe comedy in the early 2000s and late 90s.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: That we don't know if it would be made today, but it feels like it feels like people are starting to kind of inch back into that a little bit when you think of like Andrew Santino, Bobby Lee, Burton Tom, you know, what you and your podcast partner are doing, you know.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean, do you think people are opening up to, you know, just letting comics be funny again?
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, dude.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: It just seems like it the harder that comedians try to push the envelope with comedy and what they talk about is the harder that people push back.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I never thought I'd see the day where where comedians would have shows and they would have people lock up their cell phones.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason for this is because you're telling jokes, you're there, you're present.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: What people do is a comic will make a joke and someone will take two seconds of that entire joke, trim it down to this, and put it out in social media.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Look what happened here, look what he said.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: And now this person's apologizing for like a joke they made that wasn't the whole joke.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, perfect example.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I was in LA uh 2019 for the premiere for The Punisher, and you know, I was there for a couple of days and I went to the improv because you know they were gonna let me do some time.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna go just drop in real quick.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: When I got there, um the comedian who's gonna get me on, he was like, Yeah, man, sorry, you can't go up.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, Wow, what happened?
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Well, Dave, Dave Chappelle.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: Dave Chappelle came and he's doing however much time he wants.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: He came in, they let him do time.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I get there, and Dave's up there, and I hear him saying, Yeah, you know, you know, guys, if you can just put your phones away, I don't want anybody recording this.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just up here doing this on the love.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: And in the middle of his set, he's telling jokes and he's being funny.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: He sees the lady like trying to sneak and record.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like she put her phone on the candle, trying to lean it up, and he saw it.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: He was like, you know, you know, I I nobody's paying me to be here.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: I just dropped in on the love, but this lady's recording, so I'm just gonna end the set and go home.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that was it.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just like that's the world we live in because they they'll crucify you for anything you say.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know if we'll get back to that point.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: I hope we do because people are way too uptight nowadays.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes when you're in a comedy club, you're there to hear jokes and suspend belief.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like watching a movie, but live.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody goes to the theater and says, Oh my god, Romeo is the capular to stabbing Romeo.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: This is offensive because you know, I love it.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's you suspend belief.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: So, in the same way, when you go to see a comedy show at a comedy club, you're in a world of opinions.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's just opinions and jokes on these opinions and people's hot takes.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's nothing none of these people mean anything by it.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: They just want to make you laugh and entertain you.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: And people go there, people go there with so like wound up with their own insecurities, whatever they got going on.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: At the minute, a comedian says something that maybe they're remotely attached to, they take it personally and say, Oh, you can't talk about that.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's offensive.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: You can talk about anything.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: I don't care what it is.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I said it, I'll say it, I'll go on the record, uh, caught on the mic, I'll say it.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: Comedians can joke about anything, but the rule is it's gotta be funny.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: If it's not funny, boom, yes, it has to be an original take.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the risk.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's the risk of comedy.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: You can joke about whatever you want to joke about.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: If it ain't funny, you better be prepared to get your ass kicked.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: That and that's the risk.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's the risk as comedians we take, but you have to allow us to take that risk.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: Don't try to get someone canceled.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: The idea of canceling, like it's it's comedy.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's it's not serious, like we're joking, and you know it.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know we're joking, but people um a perfect example to not to like ramble on, but I was watching something on TikTok, a cash, uh, a cash thing, good friend of mine.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: He he tells jokes, he tells all kinds of jokes, but he's funny and he's entertaining.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: They had a clip of this one lady, like at the end of his show, he's like, Oh, I give it up for a cash thing, and she's like, boo, and she's like booing, she's putting her thumb down.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, if you were that offended by what he said, why did you stay for the whole show just to come at the end and say, give it up for a cash?
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: And you went out of your way to boom, put your thumbs down.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: She gets up, she's like, I've never been so offended.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: He's so sexist, and I've I come here, I didn't come here to spend my money to be offended as a woman.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just like, but why did you stay?
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: You could have left.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like if you know that things are going to trigger you, don't go.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: Go find a comic that's maybe more your speed, but to sit there and be like, this person can't speak from his experience, from his perspective, because you're offended.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's not realistic in this world.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody has a different opinion, okay?
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure Mike's a Red Sox fan.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a fan of the Red Sox, I'm a fan of the uh of the Mets.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a longtime Mets fan.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, trash me, it's fine, it's an abusive relationship, but I love the Mets.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and and and I'm not gonna trash, I don't know if you're a Red Sox fan, I was just throwing it out there, but I'm just saying it's everybody's got a different taste, and that's okay.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay to be different.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yeah, you would think that we're at a point in society where I personally believe that society is simultaneously the dumbest it's ever been and the smartest it's ever been.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: But if you were to lean over into the smart side of things, you would think that people would have the cognitive dissonance to understand when somebody is making a joke out of malicious intent or just to appeal to somebody's sense of humor.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_02: But we've rewarded virtue signaling so much since in the internet that, yeah, people are going out and going these things, I believe, for the sheer purpose of being able to put their offense on display and tell everybody how offended they are because they're gonna get attention for it.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there was a cast member on SNL uh who had gotten hired, and I'm not talking about the guy who just hosted it.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: Shane Gillis.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not Shane Gillis, who I think is hilarious, by the way.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, it's it's nice to see it come full circle, and he did a great job on the show, by the way.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: Did a great job.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there was another cast, Melissa Villa Senor, okay?
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: And this is public information.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying anything that nobody doesn't know.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's on there if you want to look up what happened.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: She got hired by the show.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: And once she got hired, there was a lady on Twitter who went through all of her tweets, okay?
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm talking, I'm not talking, um, now I know we said we weren't gonna get political.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: This is a critical, this is just this is just me, this is just me talking, okay?
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: This is society, man.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's not politics.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: She went she went and she went through her Twitter history, and I'm talking not just one year, she went back years.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm talking when this girl was like 18, 19 and found these old tweets of some inappropriate jokes that weren't funny, but you know, you write a tweet, you forget about it.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: Years later, she went and found these tweets and said, Oh, SNL, at SNL, this is who you want to hire?
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: Look at this tweet.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: Look at this tweet.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think this is the type of person to be on the show.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: And that bothers me because I'm like, You're young, you're not one of the executive producers.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what do you hope to gain by doing this?
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: She was like, no, but if we're gonna if we're gonna have a show, you don't want to have these type of people, these type of opinions.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, what do you get from doing this?
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what are you what what are you the CSI Twitter or something?
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what is you know?
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: And that that's that's the issue I have.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's like we all have to relax, relax.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: We can't police everybody's job.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: Can you imagine, dude?
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: You you you got a job at McDonald's, and you you know, you tweet about it.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: Good news, I got a I got a job at McDonald's, and then someone's like, Oh, you don't want to hire that guy.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: He used to pee the bed when he was four or five, you know, and took him all the stuff you used you did in your past, and like, uh, I I it was it was just the phase.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: I I grew out of it.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, but he peed the bed.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you want him peeing in your burgers.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, can you imagine?
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: I I just I just want to fry.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: I just want to shake the fries, man.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, you pee the bed.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: No, you don't, you don't get to not here, not in this United States.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: You don't get to pee at the at the and flip burgers.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: Forget it.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's another really good, there's another really good full circle moment like that.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_02: If you remember, and I I you know you mentioned that you were a fan of comic books.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_02: If you remember after Guardians of the Galaxy 2 came out, uh some bad tweets that James Gunn put out came out and Disney Disney fired James Gunn before he did came back and did Guardians 3, but the whole castle that they wouldn't come back either.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: So they all hired, yeah.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so they all came back, they did Guardians 3, and then James Gunn ultimately left and now is the head of DC.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: So if you don't think that there's some comeuppance that's kind of runs and track with that, totally.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: He is at DC because that bullshit went down.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you were not gonna convince me otherwise.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: And like, dude, they're real-world problems that I'm like, I'm not worried about like tweets and stuff.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't hurt me.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: I've I've I've always said that I don't care about words.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: Words don't hurt, actions do.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a man of action and words.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: You say whatever you want.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: I've always said this.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: If you say whatever you want about me, I don't care.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: I've I've heard it all, but like actions.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: When people people take action, that's where I pay attention because you talk all the time.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: I used to be a bouncer.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, this is why I have this perspective, just so you your listeners know.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: I used to be a bouncer.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: Now I would hear everything.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: People would curse me out, say all type of things about my mother, my looks, everything.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna do this to you when I come outside.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna do this to this, I'm gonna blow this place up.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, no problem.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: No problem.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: I will let people say whatever they wanted.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: As long as you don't put your hands on me, feel free.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: And when I got tired of it, you gotta go.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: Get out, get out, or I'll throw you out.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then we leave.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's why I have this perspective.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: Words mean nothing to me personally, right?
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: Actions.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: Actions to where I'm like, okay, now we now we have a problem.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, we have actions.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: Actions of actions are the problem, not the words.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_02: So if you were to kind of take a look further down the road, and given all of these experiences that you had podcasting, acting, stand-up comedy, where do you see yourself one year from now?
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_02: And where do you see yourself five years from now if you stay on this path that you're on right now?
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I I I I have goals that I always set for myself.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: So when I first started acting, I started off doing background.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: The goal I first set for myself as a background was to try to do all the shows in New York City that uh that that have background here.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: And that was my goal.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: And then after that, next one was to get on a show, get words, get be a series uh featured player, get co-star.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: So all of those things I accomplished.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: So the next goal for myself now is to I want to do a movie.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: I want to want to do movies as well as act on TV.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I my goal is I said I want to be a series regular on a TV show.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: When I was on power, I was a featured uh co-star, meaning, you know, I would pop up every few episodes and and be on, but I wasn't uh on every episode.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what that means when you want to be a series regular, means you want to be on every episode, you want to have like a heavy light of lines, you want to be heavily featured.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's my goal for myself.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: Series regular or um get into some movies.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: Awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: So, my wrap-up question that I love to ask is given everything that we've experienced in the last four years or so, what's your advice for making the world a better place tomorrow than what it is today?
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody's gotta have a laugh.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta find something you need to laugh about because like people take themselves way too seriously.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what happened I'm I'm a kid from the 80s and the 90s.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: I grew up watching All in the Family and the Jeffersons, just to give you an idea.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there were things, there were things that happened that people got mad about, but like a lot of times people understood what humor was and comedy was, and I don't think people laugh enough.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: I I think people take themselves way too seriously nowadays, and people are just on this like crusade of being like super righteous, and it's just like relax.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: I say find something that you can laugh about, find one thing that's appropriate to laugh about, find one thing that's inappropriate to laugh about, okay?
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's okay, it's just you.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we all if I looked up people's TikTok history, we would see those inappropriate things that you laugh about anyway.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's keep it a buck.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: We're watching things on there.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm watching, I saw a puppy fall down the stairs, and I laughed.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh, he slipped, and puppy went down two flights.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, you know, it was funny because the puppy got up, like he nothing happened.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, no, no, no, no, hold on a second.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: We all saw you fall down the stairs, puppy, you know.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so it made me laugh.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: But I think find something good to laugh about, find something inappropriate to laugh about, just find something to laugh about.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: And it I promise you, it'll add years to your life.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: Don't take things so seriously.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's life is short, too short for you to be like there's way more serious things in the world than like a few jokes or something like that.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Way more serious things that we have to worry about.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: So if you can find something to laugh about, you'll be all right.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_02: I love that, man.
• 37:19
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• 37:27
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• 37:31
  SPEAKER_02: I just got a follow from the IDK though podcast account on my social media on Instagram.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: Love it.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, Avery Mason, man, I am glad we got to connect.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: I hope we can talk again in the future.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, dude.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_00: And also, you if you want to follow me outside of the podcast, it's Avery Mason Official on Instagram.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: You can follow my co-host, uh Phil Hunt.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: I am Phil Hunt on all platforms.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: We're there.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: And just just come in, just ready to have a laugh.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: Please don't come in there looking to this.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: Is a fan.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: We we we laugh about everything, folks.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: And it's you know, so that that's where we're at with it right now.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I uh Mike, I want to thank you for having me on show.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it, man.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: It was great talking to you, man.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: And and I I hope to see you at the top.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: And if you get there before me, all right, save me a seat because I'm coming.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: I love that, man.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: I was just gonna Wu-Tang shirt.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't even get to talk about music.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: You got on a Wu-Tang shirt.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like, this is incredible.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, sir.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: Where are you from?
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: Are you from New York?
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm in Lincoln, Nebraska.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'm wearing a black on black, I'm wearing a black on black Yankees cap and a Wu-Tang shirt.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_02: You know who I'm representing, man.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yo, he's a Nebraska.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's a closet New Yorker, all right?
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: He's a closet New Yorker.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely amazing.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I tell you what, your friends know they're gonna kick you out.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: Kick you out of Nebraska.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: Go to New York that you like it so much.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_02: I tell you what, man, I hope we can run into each other in the real world.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_02: The world is a much better place with you and it, my friend.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: Same, same too, brother.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was great chatting, and and thank you for having me on.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: This has been a wonderful experience.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I I mean, I can't wait to see what's going on the line for both of us, man.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm excited.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: Once again, I want to thank my new friend, Avery Mason, for doing the show today.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: I especially want to thank him for pointing out the fact that I am a New Yorker in denial, living in Nebraska.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_02: Search out all of Avery's social media profiles that will be linked in the episode description on Instagram.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_02: Give him a follow.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: Heck of a nice guy.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: Can't wait to have him back on the show and see what the future has in store for him.
• 39:44
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• 39:50
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• 39:53
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• 39:55
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• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: This has been caught on the mic with Michael Clark.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm Michael Clark.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: Till next time, thank you.