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Inside The Birds Postgame Show Week 6: Giants 34, Eagles 17 · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to the Inside the Birds postgame show.
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Speaker 1: Jeff Moscher, Adam Kaplan here, and Adam, I am going
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Speaker 1: to borrow a phrase from you last year after four
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Speaker 1: weeks when the Eagles were two and two, and you
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Speaker 1: said the Eagles have more problems than I anticipated going
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Speaker 1: into the season. And now, as the Eagles lose their
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Speaker 1: second straight four and two and losing by seventeen points
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Speaker 1: to the New York Giants on Thursday Night Football, a
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Speaker 1: score I could not have absolutely at all fathomed the
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Speaker 1: Eagles have some more issues than I anticipated.
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Speaker 2: I am borrowing your line there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and last year they got them. It
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Speaker 3: was not a roster issue like it is this year.
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Speaker 3: It's just they had to get some things cleaned up
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Speaker 3: and corrected and they did. Whereas here they have got
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Speaker 3: all sorts of depth issues which we were aware of,
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Speaker 3: but they may be a little bit worse so we anticipated.
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Speaker 3: Cornerback situation is when Mitchell got hurt, Wow, that was
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Speaker 3: not good. You know, as you would expect. They went
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Speaker 3: after Ringo, they went after Jackson, former Giant. Mitchell's limited
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Speaker 3: to thirteen snaps and it showed, so yeah, it was bad.
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Speaker 3: It was bad. And odds seventeen points back to back weeks.
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Speaker 3: They're having trouble scoring the last three games, only fourteen
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Speaker 3: points total over the last three games in the second
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Speaker 3: half of those games. So, yeah, they've got some problems.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll agree with you.
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Speaker 3: They have a depth issue.
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Speaker 1: They're not as strong as they were at the end
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Speaker 1: of last year, just from a fifty three man standpoint,
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Speaker 1: but and the injuries to Carter Landon Dickerson and then
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Speaker 1: Quentin on Mitchell leaving the game really show that. But
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Speaker 1: they are not a roster that is seventeen points worse
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Speaker 1: than the Giants.
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Speaker 3: Even on the Giants' best day.
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Speaker 1: They have I think a secondary issue to that that
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Speaker 1: is just as bad, and I don't know how to
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Speaker 1: exactly articulated. I don't want to call it a coaching issue.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to call it a chemistry issue. But
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Speaker 1: there's no doubt that through six weeks there's a lot.
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Speaker 2: Of guys not on the same.
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Speaker 1: Page, and there are coaches, especially on the offensive side,
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Speaker 1: that are not getting through to the personnel. There's personnel
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Speaker 1: that are not getting through to each other. We know
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Speaker 1: about the meeting last week and what that has resulted
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Speaker 1: in is a team that doesn't look like it's playing
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Speaker 1: for each other or or even understands how to solve
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Speaker 1: its own problems. And when that happens, you get a
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Speaker 1: snowball effect. And for the first time in a while, Adam,
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Speaker 1: what we saw was a team bully the Eagles in
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Speaker 1: the trenches, both offensively and defensively, in a way that
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Speaker 1: we haven't really seen in a while. And to me,
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Speaker 1: that is sort of a byproduct of a team that
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Speaker 1: right now is just going through it and doesn't know
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Speaker 1: how to pull itself out of the hole.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it means that you're getting out coaching, out played.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just that that's absolutely happened. They got handled. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: Jackson Dart I didn't realize he ran this well. G's
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Speaker 3: his first three starts, each one over fifty yards rushing,
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Speaker 3: pretty impressive. Camp Scatabo after a slow start, got it going.
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Speaker 3: It goes to your point, it's this run defense lately
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Speaker 3: is kind of been a head scratcher. It's not like terrible,
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Speaker 3: like they're giving up two hundred yards, but they're just
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Speaker 3: giving up too. They're getting gashed eight yards here, ten
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Speaker 3: yards here, and so forth. The twenty yard at dark
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Speaker 3: for the touchdown. Scatabo had an eighteen yarder. Yeah. So
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Speaker 3: overall the defense, we'll break it down in a couple
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Speaker 3: of minutes, but they can't be very happy and offensively
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Speaker 3: after a very strong, mostly strong first half, I called
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Speaker 3: him conservative Kevin. He showed up with the first two run,
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Speaker 3: first two plays runs, I'm like, well, what are you
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Speaker 3: doing here? Like the Giants like the protection, well, you know,
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Speaker 3: we obviously can get started. Their protection was mostly pretty
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Speaker 3: good in this game. I agree, you know that that
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Speaker 3: was that that was something to feel pretty good about,
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Speaker 3: considering all the problems that they've had with their offensive
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Speaker 3: line and the changes and mentioned Dickerson being it was out,
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Speaker 3: but I Tooth had to start, which we expected, and
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Speaker 3: Cam Jurgens with coming back for the back surgery, and
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Speaker 3: then the oddness it's clearly the physically related where they're not.
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Speaker 3: They're not at no outside zone and just overall no
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Speaker 3: outside run plays, which is most very little in this season.
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Speaker 3: Is absolutely bizarre. I know they're not gonna I know
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Speaker 3: there's no way Sirianni will tell the truth on that one.
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Speaker 3: You're just not gonna not gonna say. I physically we
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Speaker 3: can't do it. So they have Again, you can't anticipate
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Speaker 3: this of how the hell old we know that? Like
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Speaker 3: anyone would know that? I mean, I don't know if
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Speaker 3: they knew that, but clearly there's something going on with that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the Eagles were seven and a half
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Speaker 1: point road favorites going into this game coming off a loss.
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Speaker 1: So even if people felt that the Eagles were not
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Speaker 1: the same team or reeling a little bit, I mean,
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Speaker 1: the expectation was that this Giants team without Malik Neighbors,
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Speaker 1: especially without Darius Slayton, that could only really beat you
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Speaker 1: one way. The Giants could only move the ball one
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Speaker 1: way through the ground, and you knew that going in,
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Speaker 1: and defensively they hadn't played very well, so it didn't
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Speaker 1: feel like there was an avenue for the Giants to
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Speaker 1: not only pull off an upset unless the game got
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Speaker 1: crazy with turnovers, which there was only one. But it
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Speaker 1: would be like nobody could say that the Giants could
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Speaker 1: win this game by seventeen points without this game being
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Speaker 1: very fluky.
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Speaker 2: But the game wasn't fluky.
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Speaker 1: The Giants just literally beat their asses at the line
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Speaker 1: of scrimmage on almost eighty percent of the plays that
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Speaker 1: they ran.
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Speaker 2: The Eagles had one turnover, and it came late. They
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Speaker 2: were already losing.
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Speaker 1: This was not one of those strange games where the
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Speaker 1: ball takes we were at hops other than the Eagles
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Speaker 1: kickoff returns, which they do every week anyway. So this
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Speaker 1: was literally just a case of a lost team that
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Speaker 1: can't figure it out, getting absolutely dismantled and bullied by
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Speaker 1: a lesser team and almost emasculated.
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Speaker 2: And so before we really.
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Speaker 1: Start breaking on offensive defense, I really wonder where Nick
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Speaker 1: Sirianni goes from here, how the coaches deal with this.
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Speaker 2: They have a mini by this weekend.
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Speaker 1: The players are going to have to figure this out,
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Speaker 1: because again, this was not a one of those crazy
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Speaker 1: losses that you just say the football gods were against us.
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Speaker 1: This was a failure of execution on so many levels
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Speaker 1: against a team that really had no right to execute
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Speaker 1: that well against you.
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Speaker 3: I mean, when the Saints rolled over the Giants last
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Speaker 3: week like they did, if the Giants got up fourteen
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Speaker 3: to three, twenty six straight points, I'm like this this team,
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Speaker 3: I mean, I know they're at home, but they can't
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Speaker 3: be feeling really good about themselves. And then right, yeah,
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Speaker 3: the Eagles. Now I'll say this about the Eagles. They
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Speaker 3: got down, you know, they were down thirteen to three,
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Speaker 3: and then we're like, what is wrong with this team?
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Speaker 3: And then they came back. It took the lady scored
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Speaker 3: fourteenth straight. You know, the hurts, he was protected through
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Speaker 3: the ball got rid of it. It was a lot
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Speaker 3: of crossers in breakers. Okay, this is what we've been
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Speaker 3: waiting for. It. So it's so odd. Almost every game
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Speaker 3: they have won great half where you go, wow, they're rolling.
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Speaker 3: They're rolling a little bit here, right, But then the
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Speaker 3: running game you saw in the first drive bar Arkley
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Speaker 3: had the eighteen yarder, which is his longest run of
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Speaker 3: the season to to date. They had a couple of
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Speaker 3: really great runs and then after that they kind of
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Speaker 3: got stuffed again up the middle. It's very strange. And
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Speaker 3: another thing I want to add, their special teams returns
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Speaker 3: are mostly terrible. It's hard this tank Bigsby trade giving
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Speaker 3: up to give for that? Yeah, very good. And the
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Speaker 3: part returns. What do they have against Britain? Covey what,
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Speaker 3: what's why can't Dotson's doing the best he can is
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Speaker 3: just not great at it? Right? They need to get
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Speaker 3: there are certain things they can do that they have
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Speaker 3: control over Bigsby's got to be better, like they got
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Speaker 3: to try. I know that's you have to have to returners.
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Speaker 3: But by the revised kickoff roles, they got to figure
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Speaker 3: out a better way to do it. Then you know,
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Speaker 3: Dylan uh got banged up there, so they because he
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Speaker 3: I know the word I got from talking to some
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Speaker 3: clubs about this. You like to have bigger returners on
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Speaker 3: kickoff returns. And that's fine. That's why Bixby's there, and
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Speaker 3: that's why Dylan has done something it. But man, it's
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Speaker 3: because if you look at Okay, why are they why
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Speaker 3: are they foreign to? Why are they lost to in
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Speaker 3: a row? Why are the things? Why are their problems?
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Speaker 3: You look at every area of their football team right now?
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Speaker 3: Not good enough?
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Speaker 2: I mean, you're right.
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Speaker 1: The Bigsby return that you were talking about is sort
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Speaker 1: of like a microcosm of the year. Not only does
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Speaker 1: he muff it, that's the mistake. Okay, he muffs a
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Speaker 1: kickoff return, so that's a bad but then he compounds
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Speaker 1: it by fielding the ball in the end zone, not
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Speaker 1: kneeling it there, trying to take it out, and then
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Speaker 1: getting tackled deep in Ego's territory. So you already did
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Speaker 1: one bad thing and then you made it worse, and
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Speaker 1: that just shows you right now the team is sort
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Speaker 1: of lacking this focus, this understand fundamental understanding of what
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Speaker 1: to do in situations and that that's coaching. But that's
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Speaker 1: got to like start, Like you just said, You've got Covey,
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Speaker 1: You've got Xavier Gibson, who's like you have people so
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Speaker 1: that you can hold other people accountable when they make mistakes.
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Speaker 1: And right now it's just throw the same guys back
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Speaker 1: out there and expect something to change.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not working. Maybe the only thing. I mean,
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Speaker 3: if you look at special teams, the pun and kick,
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Speaker 3: the punter and the kick are pretty darn good. They're
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Speaker 3: having Pro Bowl type seasons. But man with the return game,
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Speaker 3: which for years, I mean that Covey was one of
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Speaker 3: the best in the NFL a few years ago. But
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Speaker 3: you know he's back on the practice squad. You know,
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Speaker 3: you would think they at some point. I think our
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Speaker 3: Andrew Checko said when he talked to Covey in the
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Speaker 3: locker room, he indicated every sign that he came back
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Speaker 3: as they told him he was going to get a chance. Well,
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Speaker 3: when's that chance coming? It needs to come quickly. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: that would be a good time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so let's get into breaking down the
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Speaker 1: offense and the defense, and we'll getting into the injuries too. Okay,
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Speaker 1: this game started off offensively the way I think we
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Speaker 1: all thought it could and would, which is, you know,
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Speaker 1: Barkley rips off a long run, longest runt of the year.
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Speaker 1: Then he follows it right up with a thirteen yard run.
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Speaker 1: Then Dallas gotter, as you mentioned, start getting the ball
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Speaker 1: on the crossers, and there was fluidity yeah, to what
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Speaker 1: the Eagles are doing offensively, and just like every other game.
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Speaker 1: And I'm really curious to go into the tape on
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Speaker 1: this because it looks like the Giants also made a
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Speaker 1: very strategical change like the Bucks did and like the
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Speaker 1: Broncos did, of playing more man coverage and switching the
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Speaker 1: zone in the second half.
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Speaker 2: Now, if that's the case, this is now three weeks
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Speaker 2: in a row, this.
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Speaker 1: Should not be that confusing to you of an offense
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Speaker 1: to where you're completely shut down. You've got man beaters,
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Speaker 1: you've got zone beaters. And while the Giants were getting
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Speaker 1: some pressure at times, not enough so that it should
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Speaker 1: have thrown you out of rhythm.
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Speaker 2: So I think I think Kevin Petulo.
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Speaker 1: Has really got to get with Sirianni and they have
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Speaker 1: to figure this out. And I know that Jalen Hurts
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Speaker 1: cannot miss wide open receivers like he missed DeVante Smith
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Speaker 1: on that third and six.
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Speaker 2: That was a very major turning point of the game.
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Speaker 1: That's a touchdown that would have put the Eagles right
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Speaker 1: back up.
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Speaker 3: It would have and also, well I guess the positives
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Speaker 3: it Hurts only that was Hurts the interception return. It
11:05
Speaker 3: was his first turnover. He did have to fumble in
11:07
Speaker 3: another game, but it was not recovered by the defense,
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Speaker 3: so he's it was careful with the football again, really
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Speaker 3: good first half. The protection was mostly good. He was
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Speaker 3: sacked in the first half twice. But you felt that
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Speaker 3: on your point to expand a little bit more, there
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Speaker 3: was an offensive rhythm that came out mostly throwing right
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Speaker 3: that that was again something we had been aggressive with
11:27
Speaker 3: you like that. The chemistry we saw with Goddard and
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Speaker 3: Hurts in training camp. And we've said this before, you
11:33
Speaker 3: never truly know what's going to happen. You think, you
11:35
Speaker 3: see it, it looks good, and then it doesn't seem
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Speaker 3: to happen. But their chemistry is very good. That's something
11:41
Speaker 3: you had to see. You saw it. Brown had a
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Speaker 3: big first half, really big first half of seventy three yards.
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Speaker 3: But the bottom line is they couldnot take advantage of
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Speaker 3: that in the second half for whatever reason, whether it
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Speaker 3: was pass pro we'll find out what the tape looks like.
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Speaker 3: But it just disappointed these second halfs. It's just it's
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Speaker 3: very odd. It's just very very odd to me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it almost doesn't make sense anymore. And that's why
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Speaker 1: it's really hard until we see tape. But even when
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Speaker 1: you see the tape, it's going to be hard to say, well,
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Speaker 1: why couldn't they execute in that situation. I don't think
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Speaker 1: the Giants did anything so elaborate or innovative that it's
12:24
Speaker 1: something the Eagles haven't seen before. They just constantly keep
12:27
Speaker 1: getting thrown out of that rhythm. And aj Brown did
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Speaker 1: have a good first half. I mean, thirty of it
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Speaker 1: came on one play and then the rest of it
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Speaker 1: was radic. But the ball was finding him. The ball
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Speaker 1: is finding god. Got Her had a great I mean,
12:38
Speaker 1: I want to say got Her had a great game
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Speaker 1: to Honestly, it was just wide open, so he caught
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Speaker 1: the balls that were throwing to one Bajael and saw
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Speaker 1: it it was there. But this running game man. After
12:48
Speaker 1: Saquon had sixty yards in his first ten carries, Adam
12:52
Speaker 1: he finished with twelve carries and less than he lost
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Speaker 1: two yards after that.
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Speaker 2: It's crazy.
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Speaker 3: This, it's there's just no way to know that the
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Speaker 3: offensive line, in terms of run blocking and production, will
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Speaker 3: be this bad.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're pretle. What's that they're too predictable with They're
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Speaker 2: a little.
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Speaker 3: Bit well, it's it's these inside runs. It's like none
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Speaker 3: of them seem to work. Now. They did on the
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Speaker 3: first series, but after that, the inside runs are terrible.
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Speaker 3: They just didn't do anything.
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Speaker 1: Agree and they don't want to switch it up and
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Speaker 1: run to the outside. It feels, I mean, the inside
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Speaker 1: zone has been their staple. I get it, it's been
13:33
Speaker 1: their bread and butter. But again, teams study you. They
13:37
Speaker 1: know your tendencies, they know your formations, they know how
13:39
Speaker 1: you line up. Now and whereas the Eagles used to
13:42
Speaker 1: be able to say it doesn't matter, right, we've got
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Speaker 1: like this huge, massive offensive line. This is not the
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Speaker 1: same offensive line because of injuries, and it's not as
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Speaker 1: massive as it was without Beckton. So I think the
13:53
Speaker 1: Eagles have been slow to recognize that as a staff
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Speaker 1: and a play caller and say, we need to diversify
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Speaker 1: this running game to throw some people off of our
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Speaker 1: normal routine because we don't have the same offensive line
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Speaker 1: right now.
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Speaker 3: Plus add the screen game they needed, which they've done
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Speaker 3: a little bit. When they've done it this season. Little
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Speaker 3: they've done it, it's been hasn't been bad. So they
14:14
Speaker 3: have to add that. They had a little bit of
14:17
Speaker 3: an issue with Brian Burns number zero, and he's good. Yea, yeah,
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Speaker 3: they had a little issue with him in the game.
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Speaker 3: But overall it has to start with the run game.
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Speaker 3: And it is just an absolute nightmare on this many
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Speaker 3: by these four days and the coaches have to self
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Speaker 3: scout themselves here. This is not a like they're somewhat
14:41
Speaker 3: limited because of the you don't have Dickerson this game,
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Speaker 3: and obviously he's not been himself this season. We know
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Speaker 3: about the surgeries. He's clearly out himself. Jurgons is not himself,
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Speaker 3: So they have a problem running inside. But this is
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Speaker 3: where Stoutter designs at the run game. He's got to
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Speaker 3: figure out a way, like they've there's got to be
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Speaker 3: something they can do I know fans keep saying like
15:03
Speaker 3: they want to that they want to bench players, that
15:05
Speaker 3: no one's getting benched. Well, by the way, it's it's
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Speaker 3: easy to say that, who are you going to?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Where are you going? I don't think before they just
15:16
Speaker 3: they're frustrated. We get we hear we hear you, we
15:18
Speaker 3: feel you. But you have to think before you speak. Yeah,
15:21
Speaker 3: who you replacing them with? Now? The trade deadlines a
15:24
Speaker 3: little bit later this year. It's on November fifth, first
15:27
Speaker 3: Tuesday in November whatever that is, the fourth or the fifth.
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Speaker 3: I know they have look, they have they're they're going
15:32
Speaker 3: to be there. They know they have to get a
15:33
Speaker 3: corner or two. Quite frankly, I would get two, but
15:37
Speaker 3: they edge Rush is okay, needs to be better. But man,
15:41
Speaker 3: they need a Jack riscal in the worst way. They
15:44
Speaker 3: need somebody who if guys physically, if they're if the
15:47
Speaker 3: guy can't play in an interior, they got to have
15:50
Speaker 3: somebody because it's get Brett. Brett Toth played every snap
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Speaker 3: in this game. But they've got to find players that
15:56
Speaker 3: have been there and done that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they got to get healthy. That's that's a big
16:01
Speaker 1: part of it. But you're right, there's no there's no
16:03
Speaker 1: door number two. These are especially on offense. This is
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Speaker 1: virtually the same offense you won a Super Bowl with
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Speaker 1: last year and dominated it's it's it's about figuring out
16:13
Speaker 1: how to unlock the players who are currently been locked.
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Speaker 1: And you know, Jalen Hurts stood at the podium and
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Speaker 1: he took accountability.
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Speaker 2: He said, it's on me.
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Speaker 1: He was also referring to the deep ball to DeVante Smith,
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Speaker 1: but in.
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Speaker 2: General, he was saying he's got to be better.
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Speaker 1: You know, you can look at that and say, that's
16:30
Speaker 1: what everybody, every coach and quarterback says when they lose,
16:33
Speaker 1: and hope that he's being sincere about it. But he
16:35
Speaker 1: hasn't played well. I mean, that's that's we talked about
16:38
Speaker 1: it on inside the tape. There's plays there and there
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Speaker 1: were plays yesterday. I'm sure the tape, I'm sorry Sunday
16:43
Speaker 1: that the or Thursday, that the tape will show where
16:47
Speaker 1: there were some guys open and for whatever reason, he's
16:49
Speaker 1: not going there that that part. We know that's always
16:52
Speaker 1: part of his game where he's not going to see
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Speaker 1: it always clearly and be able to compensate. But he's
16:57
Speaker 1: really not giving them a running element right now, which
17:00
Speaker 1: always been the compensator, and there are just two. There
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Speaker 1: are guys who are open that he's got to be
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Speaker 1: able to hit even outside the numbers that he's just not.
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Speaker 3: That's surprisingly yeah, but yeah, the hurts of the run game, man,
17:11
Speaker 3: it has been. I mean he ran up more but
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Speaker 3: with seven. But of course he had some toush pushes,
17:16
Speaker 3: so right, yeah, they when you have a bunch of
17:19
Speaker 3: shoe yards carries, yes that your average per carry is
17:22
Speaker 3: going to go down. But he did have he just
17:24
Speaker 3: had the nine yarder was the long one. Yeah, it's
17:27
Speaker 3: not been the meaningful part that it has been the
17:29
Speaker 3: pay Now this obviously plays too issues with the interior
17:33
Speaker 3: of their offensive line. It's, uh, you can't make guys healthier.
17:38
Speaker 3: You just that that's not a stable issue.
17:40
Speaker 2: Or no, no, that that's me. That's that's the run
17:44
Speaker 2: game issue.
17:44
Speaker 1: The past game issue is less about the old line
17:46
Speaker 1: and more about him and the receivers and just not
17:49
Speaker 1: being on the same page and and even the new
17:51
Speaker 1: play caller not being able to find the rhythm that's
17:54
Speaker 1: going to get them all.
17:55
Speaker 2: This is not I'm not putting this on one person.
17:57
Speaker 1: It's got to be on everybody because it's too many
17:59
Speaker 1: failures going on at one point.
18:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, and all of a sudden, you know, the Washington
18:03
Speaker 3: had under the Commanders, had that incredible win, come back
18:06
Speaker 3: win at the Chargers. Now the division all of a sudden,
18:09
Speaker 3: which looks like a runaway. It ain't no runaway, folks.
18:12
Speaker 3: Now that the Commandos are back. Yeah, and the Eagles
18:15
Speaker 3: are reeling after two straight losses. Is and they have
18:18
Speaker 3: as we said that they have the mini by then
18:20
Speaker 3: they play at the Vikings and it could be Carson Wentz,
18:23
Speaker 3: we'll see.
18:24
Speaker 2: Yeah they look cowboys are scoring points. I mean you're
18:26
Speaker 2: yeah they.
18:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, boy without ceedee lamb. And it's it's boy
18:33
Speaker 3: this NFL this year it's they had offense called parody.
18:36
Speaker 3: The NFL will tell you, as they've told me for years,
18:38
Speaker 3: we call competitive balance. Yeah, it's real. Even this year.
18:42
Speaker 3: It's not great. It's not great football. But there are
18:44
Speaker 3: a lot of teams bunched up right, all.
18:47
Speaker 2: Right, Uh, let's look at the Eagles defense. I have
18:49
Speaker 2: a lot to say.
18:50
Speaker 3: I'm sure you do.
18:51
Speaker 1: Okay, So Jillen Carter is out of the game or
18:55
Speaker 1: he doesn't play the game because of the heel injury.
18:57
Speaker 1: Quinnya Mitchell leaves the game. I get it is too
19:01
Speaker 1: that might be your two best players on defense. Okay,
19:04
Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball, the Giants don't
19:06
Speaker 1: have Leak Neighbors or Darius Leeton and they're barely using
19:09
Speaker 1: Tyrone Tracy at this point. And their offensive lines okay,
19:12
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about how it's improved but not
19:15
Speaker 1: not unbelievable. There's no excuse to get bullied at the
19:19
Speaker 1: point of attack the way the Eagles did in the trenches.
19:22
Speaker 1: That and not just in the trenches, but even when
19:25
Speaker 1: when the Giants were able to get into the second level,
19:28
Speaker 1: I mean mccouba was getting blocked by Theo Johnson down
19:31
Speaker 1: the field, Campbell and Bond were getting blocked. I was
19:35
Speaker 1: really surprised by the physicality that the Eagles didn't play
19:40
Speaker 1: with as much as the physicality that the Giants did
19:42
Speaker 1: play with.
19:43
Speaker 3: Yes, and if you never heard of little Jordan Humphrey,
19:45
Speaker 3: you know who he is right now because he the
19:48
Speaker 3: big thirty four yard er Ringo. He got in front
19:51
Speaker 3: of Ringo. Robins had a great game. Hyatt, Jalen Hyatt,
19:57
Speaker 3: who has been a very big disappointment for the Giants,
19:59
Speaker 3: is a third round pick. He almost had that deep ball,
20:03
Speaker 3: which yeah, that was close, but yeah they got they
20:07
Speaker 3: got bully balled if you want to it was weird. Yeah.
20:11
Speaker 3: Now again, without Carter, it's going to be a problem,
20:13
Speaker 3: and it was. It wasn't early, but progressively it became
20:16
Speaker 3: a dart in the run game Darred, I know he
20:18
Speaker 3: threw for less than two hundred only threw it twenty
20:20
Speaker 3: five times, but he had a bunch of big passes.
20:24
Speaker 3: Eagles for the most part could not get to him,
20:27
Speaker 3: and it was a problem. Interesting the way that they
20:29
Speaker 3: started the game Ojan Laurie technically started in the game,
20:34
Speaker 3: they started more of a mean they just they just
20:39
Speaker 3: could not figure out what the defensively that you saw
20:43
Speaker 3: the second half last week and then this game. Throughout
20:46
Speaker 3: the game, they just were not in sync defensively. Obviously,
20:49
Speaker 3: without your two best players on defense, it's going to
20:52
Speaker 3: be a problem, or arguably your two best bond's pretty
20:55
Speaker 3: darn good, but it was an issue. So by the way,
20:58
Speaker 3: Nikobe Dean did not play on defense. He played on
21:00
Speaker 3: specials only, but we were wont to have what that
21:02
Speaker 3: would look. We know if he played on defense would
21:04
Speaker 3: be barely anything. And he didn't play on defense at all.
21:07
Speaker 3: But yeah, they and they just had trouble mustering a
21:10
Speaker 3: pass rush. We'll see what the Blitz numbers look like. Yeah,
21:15
Speaker 3: Oji played a lot, Ringo had to play a lot
21:19
Speaker 3: because they didn't have anywhere to go. And Jory it
21:22
Speaker 3: was weird. Ringo struggled early, pulled him, put Jackson in
21:27
Speaker 3: and then uh, and then they had the injury to Mitchell,
21:31
Speaker 3: so it was basically they were down to and he
21:35
Speaker 3: didn't play. He actually didn't. Parry Nickerson went up despite
21:39
Speaker 3: the injury to Mitchell. Parry Nickerson, they were down to
21:41
Speaker 3: him as the only backup. He did not play on defense,
21:43
Speaker 3: only played on specials. That surprised me a little bit.
21:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this was I wrote this on Philly Voice.
21:48
Speaker 1: It was sort of the fan nightmare coming out of
21:50
Speaker 1: training camp, is that the Eagles were basically starting their
21:53
Speaker 1: number three and number four corner because Ja Cory and
21:56
Speaker 1: Bennett is hurt and Quin Mitchell's out of the game, and.
21:58
Speaker 2: Of course Cooper they were nicol A Lott, so Cooper.
22:01
Speaker 1: De gene is in the slot. But I mean, that's
22:03
Speaker 1: that's what Jackson and Ringo are on this team.
22:05
Speaker 2: The third and fourth corners and they're out there having
22:08
Speaker 2: a start.
22:08
Speaker 1: But even still they're starting against receivers that are third five.
22:12
Speaker 1: I mean, little John Humphrey was elevated from the practice squad.
22:15
Speaker 2: This wasn't I can't.
22:17
Speaker 1: Sit here and say, you know, well, the Eagles had
22:20
Speaker 1: this coming because they were at so many injuries. I
22:22
Speaker 1: mean that they had it coming because they've been skating
22:25
Speaker 1: by and then their players, some of their players haven't
22:29
Speaker 1: played great Ringo and Jackson got really put to the
22:33
Speaker 1: grinder there, and that's I'm just surprised because the Eagles
22:39
Speaker 1: are the ones that bully, They're not the ones who
22:41
Speaker 1: are bullied.
22:42
Speaker 2: But it seemed like with.
22:43
Speaker 1: Each passing down, every scataboo carry, every Dart run and
22:47
Speaker 1: occasional nice pass, it was just like chipping away at
22:51
Speaker 1: the eagles pride and ego. It seemed like they were
22:53
Speaker 1: losing it out on the field there and basically got.
22:57
Speaker 2: Pounded into submission.
22:58
Speaker 1: And I wrote on Philly Voice in my in my observations, Calumn,
23:02
Speaker 1: I feel like the Eagles got a little bit of
23:03
Speaker 1: a taste of their own medicine with Dart because this
23:07
Speaker 1: is what Jalen Hurts has basically been doing to teams
23:09
Speaker 1: for years if the throw isn't there, He's just been.
23:11
Speaker 2: Able to talk, run slither through things like Jackson.
23:15
Speaker 1: Dart is also not a very fast explosive runner, just
23:18
Speaker 1: like Hurts isn't fast. He's not gonna win a lot
23:20
Speaker 1: of forty yard dashes against like the guys run four
23:23
Speaker 1: four four five. But Hurts has a really good internal
23:26
Speaker 1: clock and he knows just how to maneuver you to
23:29
Speaker 1: get you off balance. And you saw that on the
23:31
Speaker 1: Dart touchdown run where he kind of pump faked. He
23:34
Speaker 1: got Zach Bown leaning one way, then he cut the
23:37
Speaker 1: other way, and next thing you know, he's in the
23:39
Speaker 1: end zone. And credit to them, I mean, they found
23:41
Speaker 1: a guy who can do that. But I almost felt like,
23:43
Speaker 1: my god, the Egles are not used to lose it.
23:45
Speaker 1: This is the way Eagles win games, not lose them.
23:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, they darted some backbreaking runs just so on snapcounts,
23:52
Speaker 3: but because they had to, Ty Robinson had to play
23:54
Speaker 3: on defense because they were down at numbers. He played
23:56
Speaker 3: twenty eight percent of the snaps nineteen snaps. Patrick Johnson
23:59
Speaker 3: played a lot. He played thirty two of the snaps
24:02
Speaker 3: on defense. In fact, I don't know how many times
24:05
Speaker 3: has ever happened in his Curry actually played more snaps
24:07
Speaker 3: on defense and on special teams, and he played a
24:11
Speaker 3: lot on special teams. He had eighteen snaps sixte snaps
24:14
Speaker 3: on defense. So yeah, it was it was just was
24:17
Speaker 3: not a good performance. Uh. They they got a mustard
24:20
Speaker 3: more of a past rush. Dart had some backbreaking runs.
24:22
Speaker 3: As we said, it was just overall not a good performance.
24:26
Speaker 3: It is also hard when you're down two significant players
24:30
Speaker 3: on defense, it's hard to commentate for that. It's not
24:32
Speaker 3: like you're getting better players off the bench. So right,
24:36
Speaker 3: Blanket Ship, by the way, got hurt and then it
24:38
Speaker 3: came back and then you might have seen it, but
24:41
Speaker 3: he did. I don't believe he missed any snaps. In fact,
24:43
Speaker 3: he didn't. Uh. I don't know if they's had anything
24:47
Speaker 3: to do with it. Dejene only miss uh, let's see,
24:51
Speaker 3: he only missed like three or four snaps, but he
24:53
Speaker 3: was holding his leg. We'll see if they listened on
24:55
Speaker 3: the injury report. But again they have a they have
24:57
Speaker 3: a while to their off. Yeah, report will be Wednesday
25:01
Speaker 3: for them.
25:02
Speaker 1: Do you happen to see who replaced Blanket Ship? For
25:04
Speaker 1: briefly when.
25:05
Speaker 3: He yes, I did, well, yes I did when blanket
25:08
Speaker 3: Ship went out. Yep, yes it was Marcus Apps. It
25:11
Speaker 3: was not Sydney Brown. Yeah this this These coaches kind
25:15
Speaker 3: of over Citney Brown as a as a backup, Like
25:17
Speaker 3: he barely plays on defense and he's brilliant special scenes player.
25:20
Speaker 3: Oh by the way, he had another special teams penalty.
25:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, not great for him there. Uh yeah, this is
25:29
Speaker 1: uh Listen, the real crazy thing is the Eagles not
25:32
Speaker 1: only have to get right soon, right, they play the
25:35
Speaker 1: Giants again in like two weeks, right they played him.
25:38
Speaker 1: Uh not the next Sunday, but the Sunday after that
25:41
Speaker 1: game the Giant so uh they they almost I know,
25:45
Speaker 1: Scattaboy was already becoming a little bit of a of
25:48
Speaker 1: a of a thing in the New York area, you know,
25:50
Speaker 1: like last last year was it was the Italian quarterback
25:54
Speaker 1: who was doing all the pizza shop things or two whatever.
25:57
Speaker 1: But this is a real thing, like Stataboo. Scattaboo is
25:59
Speaker 1: a good player who's gonna playing. But the Eagles sort
26:03
Speaker 1: of allowed the Giants to gain a lot of confidence
26:06
Speaker 1: and let the cult of Skataboo really start to grow
26:09
Speaker 1: up in New Jersey and they're gonna this is gonna
26:11
Speaker 1: bother the Eagle fan because this scataboo thing is gonna
26:14
Speaker 1: catch on. You saw him in the postgame show, ripping
26:16
Speaker 1: his shirt off and everything. He is going to be
26:19
Speaker 1: a real cult hero out there in Jersey, not not
26:22
Speaker 1: a flash in the pan like the quarterback was. And
26:25
Speaker 1: that's gonna be really interesting for the rivalry.
26:27
Speaker 3: Here's another thing that surprised me. Oj Lari played more
26:31
Speaker 3: snaps and ouche it's a Darius Smith. Now, whether that
26:36
Speaker 3: was planned or in game decision by Fangio, I just
26:40
Speaker 3: didn't think that Olari be playing more snaps against his
26:44
Speaker 3: former team. But yeah, that that's what happened. That's something
26:47
Speaker 3: to watch going forward to how they're going to do that.
26:50
Speaker 3: But and by the way, Trotter did play a little
26:53
Speaker 3: bit on defense. He did play three snaps, but he's
26:55
Speaker 3: a special teams guy for sure. So you know, overall,
26:58
Speaker 3: to summon up, there's really, i mean the positives out
27:01
Speaker 3: of the game where god I would say Goddard's usage
27:03
Speaker 3: was good. That that's something they could hang their head on.
27:06
Speaker 3: Offensively a lot too, despite the injury to calcul Terror
27:11
Speaker 3: only plays seven snaps on offense. That surprised me that
27:13
Speaker 3: for the run game where he's this kick a block,
27:17
Speaker 3: the effect, they use grants and more, which boggles my mind. Defensively,
27:23
Speaker 3: they have a lot to clip. You outline very well
27:25
Speaker 3: the off of the offensive issues. Defensively, the passers has
27:29
Speaker 3: got to be better. The back end. How he's got it,
27:32
Speaker 3: just like Cleveland and Jacksonville didn't. They don't need to wait. Well,
27:36
Speaker 3: I know it's either said than done, but how he's
27:39
Speaker 3: got to get a corner stat and he's got to
27:41
Speaker 3: get a corner. They don't need developmental quarter. They need
27:45
Speaker 3: a veteran who can play right now. They need somebody
27:47
Speaker 3: could go in there and play. This is just not
27:50
Speaker 3: very good at corner opposite Mitchell, and plus with Mitchell's injury. Now,
27:53
Speaker 3: and we'll see what the testing shows. The heck knows
27:55
Speaker 3: who's gonna go. It is really bad right now at corner.
27:58
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what we'll ended on this. The Eagles
28:01
Speaker 2: play the Vikings next, right, that's at home.
28:04
Speaker 3: I believe, No, it's at many.
28:07
Speaker 2: Oh, it's back to back. But I thought they had
28:09
Speaker 2: home road home road home road thing. But yeah, okay,
28:11
Speaker 2: either way, maybe maybe it's good for them it's at many.
28:15
Speaker 1: Okay, it doesn't really matter because if the Eagles, coming
28:18
Speaker 1: off this loss, go and lose to Carson Wentz, I'm
28:21
Speaker 1: not sure that the city is going to survive after
28:23
Speaker 1: the Phillies complosion here, the city needs something good, and
28:28
Speaker 1: the Eagles losing the Carson Wentz would not be good.
28:31
Speaker 1: So but hey, if you can lose to Jackson Dart,
28:33
Speaker 1: you can lose, and the Giants you can lose to
28:35
Speaker 1: anybody they got.
28:36
Speaker 3: Let me tell you the way that Greg said co
28:39
Speaker 3: sell because you know, I asked us. I said, hey,
28:41
Speaker 3: I watched it on TV, but what did the tape
28:43
Speaker 3: look like? He said, Wentz played really well and he
28:45
Speaker 3: was under control. The CAx are better, and he physically
28:48
Speaker 3: looked good, like he's moving better. He was dying it boy.
28:52
Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson spoke very highly of once. Can you imagine
28:55
Speaker 3: how humilioning that would be if they lost it, it would
28:59
Speaker 3: be their third loss in a row. Oh my god,
29:02
Speaker 3: with the Phillies implosion and the terrible loss as you said,
29:06
Speaker 3: and have that happen. But they've got time to figure
29:09
Speaker 3: this out. And the staff is was so resilient. They
29:11
Speaker 3: were two and two last year and people were wondering
29:13
Speaker 3: what this team was about, and you know what they
29:15
Speaker 3: would do after that. So we'll see. Obviously the rush's
29:17
Speaker 3: clearly not as good, we know that, but they've got
29:20
Speaker 3: some time. They've got they got to get in their bags,
29:22
Speaker 3: out of speak and figure it the heck out both
29:23
Speaker 3: sides of the football, the return game. Look, it's not
29:27
Speaker 3: just one phase, man. You know. Sometimes it's a cliche,
29:30
Speaker 3: but it's the truth. They've got problems right now, no
29:33
Speaker 3: doubt about it.
29:34
Speaker 1: Thursday October ninth, twenty twenty five, a night that will
29:38
Speaker 1: live in infamy for Philadelphia sports unfortunately, and maybe it
29:42
Speaker 1: can only get better from there. That is going to
29:45
Speaker 1: do it for the Inside the Birds Postgame Show. We'll
29:48
Speaker 1: have a lot of great content for the rest of
29:49
Speaker 1: the week and then at the start of next week
29:51
Speaker 1: as we continue to take the scalpel in the forceps
29:54
Speaker 1: to this game and see how the Eagles are going
29:56
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