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Tin Foil Hats & Crew Chief Attacks | Mast Cast Ep 7 · Kenny Wallace Media

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Well, Tyler Reddick wins again and former Cup series driver
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Rick Mass and his non driving son Ricky are doing mass cast
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again. So we're right back with
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Groundhog Day, right? Right back where we were last
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week. Well, couple things are
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different. You got your brand new NASCAR
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alumni hat, which is I got to say is really cool.
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That came as came as did you get you a new did you get your new
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NASCAR alumni stuff, Dad? Yeah, I got all this stuff, man.
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Hardcore ink pens. Yeti Yeti mug Yeti mug, a bunch
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of stuff. Cool stuff.
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OK, you going to NASCAR Alumni weekend in Darlington?
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Yeah, actually spoke to Amber today.
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She hits that thing up for everybody and we're going to not
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sure what all they got planned. I got a bunch of stuff planned
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out. I think she was trying to get a
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oh question answer thing going with some drivers and people
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with the fans, and I think we're probably going to host that down
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there. So I know we got a parade
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Saturday morning and then, I don't know, just a bunch of
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stuff going on. They got planned.
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I'm not sure what all it is yet, but if I find out, I'll find
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out. I'll let you know here on Mass
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Cast before we show up at Darlington.
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I think that'd be great. I'm going to try to get up to
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Darlington too, to meet you there if I can.
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If my schedule between baseball and my family permits, family's
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probably a little little my little girl, little Stevie's,
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I'll see if she'll let me go or not.
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We'll find out. Yeah, I get it.
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I get it. Yeah.
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Well, let's get right into it, Dad.
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Koda, The weekend at Koda. The cup series at Koda.
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Tyler Reddick wins again. Three in a row to start the
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season. Never been done before, which is
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pretty, pretty wild. Pretty cool, actually.
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It's always cool to see history happen.
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I mean, unless you're just a Tyler Erdicator, I guess maybe
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you don't think it's that cool. But personally, I kind of like
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it. I think it's cool.
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I like I like that there's parody and you don't know who's
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going to win each week. But it's also it's fun when
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somebody's on a heater and you kind of TuneIn each week going
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like, all right, how long can they keep this thing going or
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who's going to knock him off? I mean, I went into this weekend
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probably like everybody else, just assuming SVG is going to
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run away with it. And the only way he won't is if
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something happens to him, something happens to his
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equipment, whatever, he gets caught up in something not of
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his doing. And that wasn't the case.
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He he ran second. So what?
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What were your first first thoughts on the Cup Series over
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this weekend? Yeah, he got he just SSVG, he
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just got out ran man. You know, it's pure and simple.
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I mean, he was fussed about his car not having enough, I guess
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bite. OK, but he was, you know,
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Reddick was very impressive. You know, they're talking about
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three wins in a row. But you know, when you get into
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the conspiracy people we see on social media talking all that
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crap and it is crap by the way, because you know, Daytona is
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just the last lap move. He didn't have a dominant car.
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Daytona in the last lap or last turn move right won that race
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and then little bit same Atlanta that the you know, the back
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straight away the last lap. I mean, he made a move, you
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know, that just wanting the race and it wasn't really dominant
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car and Coda was a dominant car. I mean, that was just they they
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just Flathead. Everybody covered.
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That car was just man, it was it was dialed in, you know, and he
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drove, he drove a heck of a race too.
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I mean, he did he did a good job with all that.
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But no, I thought it was cool with the deal, the Michael
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Jordan effect we talked about. I mean, you know, what's so cool
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is when Jamie Little interviews him, you know, and as a winning
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car owner, you just, you love seeing his, you see the true
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emotion. It's true joy.
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I mean, he, he truly, truly is in happiness.
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But winning these races. And I had a lot of people come
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up to me last month or so talk about Michael Jordan's
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involvement. And, you know, we got to
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understand he's been there like 5 years or so, you know, kind of
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been people write about it, talk about it, but nothing to done to
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the extent that's going on since Daytona because she's winning.
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And you know, and, and Jamie been able to I guess interview
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Mike 'cause, you know, he just doesn't do Mike.
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I mean, he just doesn't do interviews, right.
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But when he does them, he's just, he's so enthusiastic and
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so happy. And it goes back.
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I was talking to my daughter, my wife, your mom and sister a
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while ago about that. And I said, you know, he he's
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not unlike any little boy when his little boy, his dad gathers
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his gathers him up and takes him to the races, right?
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And that's what used to happen. His dad would take him to the
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races and he got excited about it and became, you know, a fan
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of it and, and really just really excited him.
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You know, I saw a picture the other day on Twitter or X him
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him this his freshman year at UNC in Charlotte Motor Speedway,
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stand beside the King, right, And a big old smile on his face.
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So my my point being what what you see now is Victor Lane
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ceremonies are when they're talking to him after the race.
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What you see is is true. It's true emotion, you know, and
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it's just you just love that. I love that.
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But when a driver does it, I love it too.
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I don't like when they get out. Yeah, we want to run the race
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and think the boys at the shop, right?
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I hate, I hate that because he says just they're so hard to
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win, right? And for somebody to have that
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kind of emotion, whether it's Michael Jordan or or or or or
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Richard Childress or Rick Hendrick, whoever it is, that's
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what I love to see. And it just, hey, and by the
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way, guess what? Michael Jordan's most most known
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name in the world and showing those true emotions, that part,
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that part, it was pretty cool. You know, the conspiracy stuff,
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you see, you don't see a lot of it, but we we do see some.
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And I know you've seen it, Ricky, the you know, well, yeah,
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they won lawsuits. That's the payback they get to
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they get to win races. Well, you know, look at it like
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I said, look at each race. He didn't have a dominant car,
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Daytona, he didn't have an Atlanta, but he did he did it
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coded. But if all that stuff was true
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and I I was there for a long time and you know, maybe you
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could get by with this official with nudging this rule a little
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bit or something back in the day, just little things, but
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nothing major like giving you a bigger plate or bigger
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horsepower. Nothing like that would would
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ever, you know that that would never work.
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And you know, if, if that was the case, if they if they really
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manipulated stuff NASCAR did, there's a few years ago we'd had
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a guy won that would have won a lot of races and a lot of
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championships. And his name is Della Nort
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Junior, right? If, if that kind of stuff went
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on in our sport and, and everybody knows, you know, Dale
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Junior, most popular driver, if he could have won, you know, if
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he'd have won 50 or 60 races at a couple of three championships,
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that would have been a big, big, big, big deal for the sport,
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right? And ASCAR knew that.
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But you didn't see any of that happening, right?
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It's a so anyhow, I just, I guess everybody just has to have
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something to say, right? Especially on the social media
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when they get talking that crap. But you know, it is what it is.
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It's all. Yeah, the conspiracy thing, like
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if you take just a tone of by itself, the amount of people,
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the amount of crazy amount of people in coordination, you'd
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have to have to pull off a conspiracy of give awarding that
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car the 500. That means that all those other
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cars on the track have to cooperate too.
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You got to have the two cars take the white flag just coming
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out of the Tri Oval and they got to get they got a wreck.
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Those guys got a wreck and make sure they don't wreck and take
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out the 45 car at 190 miles an hour.
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And then you got to have everybody else sitting there
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getting out of the way of the 45 and reckon just perfectly right
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there coming into the Tri Oval of the the checkered flag to
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allow Tyler Reck there. I mean, if you really just start
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to have some common sense about it or really think about it, I
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should say it's pretty easy to disprove that in your own mind
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because it just doesn't, it just doesn't come together.
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I understand the knee jerk thing of of those, the lawsuit and
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it's Michael Jordan. So now we're got to we got to
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let that team win some more, But that's just it's just not it's
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just not feasible. It's just not realistic at all.
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I look at it from the other side of it of what a great story.
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I get why it's a conspiracy because like what a great
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storyline NASCAR has going right now with all this.
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I get I so I understand you want to lead while I was planting.
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Now it's not it you just you just can't it just of the three,
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I'll tell you this, of the three races, the only way if you even
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had some big conspiracy remake the 45 car that much better than
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everybody else's, it had to been at CODA yesterday.
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You couldn't do it at Daytona and you couldn't do it Atlanta.
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Well, that's the thing, Rick, you did.
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Yeah, I look back at winning streaks at our sport.
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Richard Petty had ten of them, ten in a row in 1967.
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It just one of those deals. The fact that that that car when
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they went to the 1968 season, they went back to that 67
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Plymouth Fury and ran it in 68 because that woman took the car
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was so good. But anyhow, you know, you look
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back at Gordon one those four in a row, whatever it was Harry
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Gant 145 in a row that time and those those were dominant races.
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When those guys did that, you know, they were at, you know,
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they were at the short tracks, the mid tracks or whatever, and
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they were just dominating. You know, Now if Reddit goes out
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next two or three weeks and dominate, dominates what he did
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at Cody, yeah, we got a whole different story we're going to
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be talking about. But you know, he just had, he
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won three races, but only one of them, one of them that he
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dominated and probably should have won.
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The other two, you know, he just put himself in a position.
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So, you know, it's just all, I guess, just everybody likes to
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talk. Well, and even if somebody
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wheels off a bunch of wins in a row, like you mentioned Harry
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and there's a conspiracy theory they're cheating or something.
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Well, like in Harry and Andy Petrie's case, they hit on
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something with the car that nobody else had figured out yet
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and it wasn't illegal, right? I don't think it was at the
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time. It's something nobody ever
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thought of it. It was innovative and Harry Hall
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of Fame driver. So they Crucci find something
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that they could capitalize on and he had a driver that's
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capable to do the right things with it.
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And you have that combo and you you go on a window streak and
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there's not there's no conspiracy there.
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There's nothing. Again, to my knowledge, I'm not
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mechanically all that smart, but there wasn't it wasn't illegal.
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I mean, that was just that was a a great combo of crew chief and
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the the guys setting up the car, building the car, finding
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something and having the right driver in place to take it the
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proper or make the most of it, take advantage of it.
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So and that's that's, that's that's greatness that's
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happening that you're witnessing.
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So I kind of look at it like, man, I can't wait to see in
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Phoenix next week. Can these guys somehow put
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together another one? Can they be the first of four in
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a row? If it's not them, who's going to
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be the first team? It's not the the 45 car is 2311
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as an organization like is is what Bubba goes out there wins
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this week. I don't know it just to me, it's
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a great storyline. It's a great narrative.
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And I'm, you know, the, the conspiracy thing, I don't know,
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it's just. That brings up a thought I had
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going by. We're talking about Harry when
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he won all those races. When you're talking about camber
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to rear ends, right, people? They're the first ones to come
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up with the camber to rear end and it made a big difference.
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Well, I'm going to tell you a little something, how I think
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this all came about. I think I was witness to this,
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didn't realize it after the fact, but we used to race for
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Skoll, Man, twice a year, Once a year.
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Or they would take us twice a year to these places or
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Skollwood. They had a place in Florida and
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they had a place in Watch Hill, RI.
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And they would always take the drivers, which by the time was
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me, Harry Gant, AJ Foytz, Nick Perdome.
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And then it'd be the top, top executives of the company,
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right? And you know, the wives.
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And it's a week of decadence, man.
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It was a cool deal. Yeah.
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We were sitting around and was in Watch Hill, RI, that big old
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mansion one day he was sitting around talking and and the the
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the radio tire had just been introduced into our sport,
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right? I hadn't been here very long and
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I remember sitting there, we're all sitting around there talking
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and I remember Leo, Leo Jackson, OK, he owned Harry Gatz team.
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He asked AJ said AJ, what do you think of these reported?
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Y'all been running these radios for a long time and your
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Indycars are a lot longer, He says.
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Man, we're having a lot of trouble with these things.
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What's the deal? They just says, well, the one
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thing I could tell you is you cannot run them on the edge.
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They do not like me to run on the edge.
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In other words, they don't run, they don't like me run on the
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outside radius or outside corner.
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To try to simplify that for everybody.
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You look at the front end of a race car and you see the right
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front is really, it's got a lot of negative camber in it.
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The wheels totally is pulled in at the top and that's to resist
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the forces when you're in the turn, it loads right, front tire
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tries to straighten it back up right.
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And we've heard over the years put more camber, You know, the
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guys blowing out tires, of course they're running too much
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camber in the right front, heating the inside edge too
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much. Well, anyhow, from that I think
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Leo, just listen to that. The next thing you know, Harry's
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out there out running everybody. They got a camber in the rear
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end, right? So I always put it together that
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Leo sat there and heard that from her, from AJ said, oh,
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can't run that tire on the edge. All right, well, that means we
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need to run make sure we got a camera right in the front.
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What we do about the rear because it's always going to be
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running on that edge, on the outside edge, right?
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We'll just try to put camber and see what that does.
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And anyhow, that's a story that doesn't get circulated very much
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about how that works. I need to talk to a couple other
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people to make sure my train is right on it.
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But generally, that's what happened with that deal.
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And I always thought it was pretty cool.
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I sat there and listened to it. But none of us were smart enough
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to pick up on what AJ said. Leo Jackson was a genius, and he
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was smart enough to sit there and like, OK, all right, he just
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told me what I need to do. Us dumb asses weed.
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The rest of us didn't know. But anyhow, it is what it is.
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Well, yeah, y'all were busy with the the week of Decadence, as
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you called it. That's good.
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I love that word decadence. That's always a fun one.
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You'd use that one more. What?
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Dude, they come, they come, they just go in this big match and
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then you get up at 6 O clock in the morning because they had to
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be on the golf course at 7:00 or 7:30.
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But before that you sit down at the big table and these all
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these people waited on you and brought you big old breakfast
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and food, everything you could imagine.
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Then you go play golf at morning, you come back to the
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house and you sit down and have this big elaborate lunch bill
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for you. Then when that was over with, I
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remember the first time up there, Sharon and I looked
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around after lunch. We couldn't find anybody, right.
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Where the Hell's everybody at? Well, we kind of got the look
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and where everybody's taking naps.
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We're like, oh, so rich people take naps in the afternoon.
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So anyhow, then then at supper time, and that was elaborate
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thing, you get served this. Gosh, it's just so elaborate and
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just it was decadence, man. It was just decadence.
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You didn't have to do anything. Just lay back and let them feed
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you, entertain you. But that's, you know, those were
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the days. Well, this sounds like when you
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and mom came down here and stayed Christmas with us.
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It's. Sort of like that.
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You woke up every morning, you had a big fancy breakfast cooked
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on my Blackstone. We did.
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We did leftovers or sandwiches for lunch occasionally.
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You get a good meal. Yeah.
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That's good. That's good.
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No, I think the, the street thing to me, I kind of I was
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kind of thinking about, I come back to something Chase Elliott
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said when they did the press conference announcing that the
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the Chase was back in the in the points format.
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And he said, you know, enjoy what we have.
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And of course he meant that as kind of overarching statement.
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But to me, I'm like, man, you're witnessing history right now.
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If you're a NASCAR fan. We just witnessed somebody's
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never, nobody's ever won three races in a row to start the
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season. I can't remember.
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I think it was maybe Kyle Petty or somebody put on social media
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and he started going through, you know, he's like Red Byron,
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Rex White, Curtis Turner, Tim Flock, you know, Ned Jarrett,
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David Pearson, the King, Dale Earnhardt, senior, Jeff Gore and
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Jimmy Johnson, Kyle Busch. Nobody's ever done that before
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now. It just happened now for the
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first time. And if you start thinking about
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in those terms, it's like, man, you're witnessing history.
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Like just enjoy it and see, see what happens.
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That's the fun part of it now is we got such a school narrative
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or a unique narrative to start the season.
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I, I think I didn't, I haven't listened, I haven't had a chance
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to listen to Denny's latest podcast yet, but I did see a
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clip on social media where he was kind of talking about how,
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hey, we've got with the new points format, we've kind of got
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this cool narrative going now to start the season.
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And it's not all about knee jerking over who's automatically
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in the chase and who hidden and, and, and on and on.
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It's you've got a, a narrative of like, well, now Reddick as
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the points leader again, we talked about this last week.
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For me personally, it's it's too early for me to start looking at
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points, but you do think of like, well, hey, he's already
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kind of built up enough of a lead three weeks into where he
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can afford to have a misstep or two here along the way and still
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be still be pretty solid for the chase.
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So but it comes back to just the the greatness thing and
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witnessing history. And I, I like that.
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I like that you could show up each week not know who's going
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to win. I like it when somebody's on a
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heater right now and you want to see can they keep it going or
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who's going to knock them off? It's it's all, it's all good.
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It's kind of like the king here. Not too long ago, I think we
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talked about it, how there's not like that we don't have that one
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top dog or whoever to chase right now.
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And I don't know that we still do in the grand scheme of
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things, but this is kind of like another little mini version of
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that. You know, you kind of chasing
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somebody, somebody's got nobody. We're three weeks into the
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season. We're about to be a month in the
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season only only one guy and one team of one races, you know, not
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counting the the clash, of course, with priests.
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So just sit back and enjoy it. I, I, I certainly am.
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I think it's a testament to that team too, that, you know, they
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were in the right place at at Daytona and Atlanta, but then
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they were ready for different kind of tracks the next week at
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Coda. So I, I back to the MJ thing
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just for a second. I think I, I agree with what you
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said. I love his enthusiasm.
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I loved his comments to Jamie. He's like, you know, I just put
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up the money. I'm I'm, you know, and I'm, I'm
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a competitor. I love that.
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And I loved at the very end when she asked him if he was going to
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be a phoenix, He's like, oh, you know, I'm going to be a phoenix.
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Like I just, I love that. I thought that was just such a
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cool thing. And again, it comes back to he's
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just in genuinely, the man is the most famous athlete on the
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planet. He's a billionaire.
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He can be anywhere doing anything he wants to every
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Sunday. He could be anywhere on this
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planet. He's got enough money.
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He could be somewhere not on this planet at this point if he
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wanted to be on a Sunday. I mean, that's literally true.
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But that's where he's at. Where has he been?
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His last three weekends? He's been at the racetrack and
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he's been celebrating and it's it's great for everybody.
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It's great for him. It's great for the sport and
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we're talking about the team owner Tyler Reddick to me has
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been the same that same way in Victory Lane each week.
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You can see he I don't feel like he's doing the the guys back at
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the shop thing. I feel like he's still fired up
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and he should be. I would think for him
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especially, it's got to be coming off of everything that he
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dealt with in his personal life last year.
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You're sitting there, you're not winning, first of all, but then
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more importantly, you're your new child, your newborn child,
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your baby, your baby sitting there going through tumors and
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having to have tumors removed and to go from that.
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To. Kid is healthy and you're out
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here winning and have a start like this and you win a race and
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that's got to be something you get out of your car you win a
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race and then you look over and there's Michael Jordan just with
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this big giant grin just waiting big giant grin just waiting to
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pick you up and high five you and everything so I I I as right
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it's just fun we're in we're at a great great start the season
19:51
and the MJ effect is I'm seeing more and more on social media.
19:55
I see accounts I've said it before I'll say it again you see
19:58
accounts that otherwise never be talking about NASCAR and they're
20:02
talking about NASCAR though the picture by the way, kudos to
20:08
whoever's on the social media team for Tyler Reddick in 2311.
20:12
The picture of the side by side of Tyler Reddick where he's.
20:16
Imitate Michael Jordan, where he's got his trophy and he's
20:18
holding up three fingers next to Jordan.
20:20
Yeah. And I saw that.
20:21
Brilliant. It got a lot of lot of traction,
20:24
a lot of coverage and and it's great.
20:27
So you're you're getting in front of people you wouldn't
20:29
normally get in front of. And by the way, the whole
20:32
marketing campaign is still aimed at the core fan, if you
20:34
ask me the hell yeah thing. So you kind of getting best of
20:38
both worlds. I think right now from marketing
20:40
perspective, they're just, yeah, they're they're in a great spot
20:43
3 weeks in great narrative. Maybe it is a conspiracy.
20:46
It's everything's going so well. Maybe it's all big grandstand
20:48
conspiracy, Dad. Maybe we're wrong.
20:50
The hell it could be, but I don't know how in the hell you
20:52
put all that together to happen like.
20:54
I don't either. I try to do conspiracy stuff and
20:58
I can't ever make it work for me.
20:59
So. But inhale it was, Yeah.
21:02
And again, it goes back, man. And little boy, Daddy takes him
21:04
to the races when his little boy and he gets thralled with her,
21:07
just thrilled with it. And you know, he stays with it.
21:10
So, you know, cool story for us, cool story for NASCAR.
21:14
Let's go back for just before before we leave, before we leave
21:17
code, a couple of things. That thing must have been hot.
21:20
I mean, that track Brut must be brutal physically somehow.
21:24
There's some tracks you go to there.
21:26
You just get hot in the race car, right?
21:29
Brickyard is that way. You lose long straightaways and
21:32
you're sitting there hammering and exhaust is against the
21:35
floorboard. There's something about the
21:36
Brickyard. The cars were extremely hot, but
21:39
it must be something about Coda because those guys were dropping
21:42
out yesterday. Minded me when the when the TV
21:45
showed all the digger laying on the ground, right and they just
21:48
kind of panned at him for a second or two.
21:51
Then they went away. We didn't hear anything more
21:52
about it till later on. I'm like, well, I guess he's OK.
21:56
And then of course Bowman had to get out of the car and you could
22:00
tell the interviews those guys were wiped out and then they
22:03
showed. Did you see that one as, as, as
22:06
the winner, right? Riddick was walking up the the
22:08
steps. Victory Lane man, he couldn't
22:10
hardly make it up. He, he was having trouble.
22:12
And I'm like, yeah, I've been there before, guys.
22:14
I know what you're what you feel, what you're feeling right
22:16
now, right? And, and it's like, OK, that
22:19
thing must be pretty tough. The, the temperature or
22:21
something was going on yesterday or Sunday that created all that.
22:25
So, you know, that's part of the that's part of the deal.
22:28
It's the one thing I noticed. I tell you, the other thing that
22:29
went on that disturbed me a little bit was Chase Briscoe's
22:35
crew chief and about am I right here?
22:39
Yeah, yeah, yeah. When he had to come in the pits,
22:43
a wheel fell off or whatever happened to that thing and he
22:45
had come in and couldn't figure out where to go.
22:47
And James Small, his crew chiefs, said you should have
22:50
read AF and map. Well, Ricky, I all the years I
22:55
raced, you know, being my crew chiefs or whoever's on the
22:57
radio, even spotters, you know, we would get crossed up.
23:01
Those things happen. You get crossed up and you kind
23:05
of say things, do things maybe they didn't really mean or you
23:07
wish you could take it back or whatever.
23:09
But in all the years that I raced, I never had a personal
23:14
attack like that, right? I mean, we get to fuss at each
23:18
other and argue or whatever, but you never crossed the line and
23:21
made it personal. If, and I'm not sure what their
23:24
dynamic is, I know they've been running fast, man.
23:27
They got a fast race car. Small does a hell of a job at
23:29
that race car. And of course, Briscoe, we know
23:31
what he does, the wins he had last year and the way he's
23:34
running this year. But just as a side note, you
23:38
know, if a crew chief probably would ever say something like
23:41
that to me, you know, you know, when, when the race is over, me
23:46
and the crew chief are going to sit down by ourselves, right?
23:50
Either in the lounge or beside the holler or somewhere.
23:53
And we're going to have a come to Jesus meeting, right?
23:56
We're going to understand each other that we don't we don't get
23:59
personal like that. I'm not.
24:01
And again, that's their deal, you know, but I thought it was
24:03
just something that when I heard of them, like and I got to
24:07
thinking, OK, Rick, put yourself in Briscoe's position.
24:11
When did that ever happened to you?
24:13
Never did. All right, What would you how
24:15
would you react? And I know how to react it to
24:18
that. So, you know, I'm not really
24:20
sure what that was all about this frustration on smallest
24:23
part, but that's a tough one, man.
24:26
You got to be careful, that kind of thing.
24:28
You got to be very, very careful.
24:29
You, you tear your team down, you know, So hopefully got it
24:34
worked out. Anyhow, just a couple things I
24:36
want to talk about. Yeah, I'm glad.
24:38
I'm glad you brought both of those up.
24:40
So I I thought the same thing when I heard that comment from
24:44
from James Small, because I thought about you.
24:46
I'm like, Hey, I know none of your crew chiefs ever said
24:52
anything like that. I mean, and I wasn't sitting
24:54
there glued to the radio every week, but I knew all your crew
24:56
chiefs. I knew none of them.
24:58
I listened enough and I knew enough about them even as a kid
25:00
to know that none of them would have ever done that.
25:04
And I know you well enough to know that that that wouldn't
25:07
have been received well had they done it.
25:08
But it wasn't even a it just they wouldn't have done that.
25:11
You know, and I but I also was wondering, I'm like, I don't I
25:14
don't know if anybody in dad's day, in your day, if any crew
25:18
chief would have done that to a driver.
25:19
I don't know. I don't feel like they would
25:21
have. I was trying to think in my head
25:23
like would have would have would Andy Petrie have yelled at Harry
25:27
would have Kurt with Kurt Selbydean yelled at Dale
25:30
Earnhardt senior. You know, would I mean take your
25:35
pick here? I don't you know, you we all
25:36
know the like, I don't know Todd Parrott.
25:40
Would he have yelled at at Dale like that?
25:43
I don't know. He would have been not not like
25:45
that. No, he wouldn't have.
25:47
He wouldn't have done that. I'm not not that.
25:49
Duh. That's a personal attack, right?
25:52
Yeah. You can argue about you ain't
25:53
driving it hard enough. You ain't doing this, you're not
25:55
doing that or whatever. You know, you wrong line or
25:58
you're giving us bad information or you know, whatever, but you
26:02
don't step over the line with a personal talk about your
26:05
intelligence basically is what that's about right?
26:08
Or your your lack of what he's telling him.
26:10
Is he very smart? Or you know, he's, he's not
26:13
prepared to race, you know, which is both of them are total
26:15
bullshit. If you know, cuz that's really
26:17
basically what he said to him. OK.
26:20
And but no, that's the line you just shouldn't cross.
26:23
But I'm sure, I'm sure by now they've probably already
26:26
addressed that and it's, it's water over the bridge or under
26:29
the bridge, you know, So just something.
26:32
I do wonder if if generally speaking, if crew chief driver
26:36
dynamics are just how different they are now as opposed to when
26:41
you erase them because it feels like, it feels like to me it's
26:46
some combination of crew chiefs have crew chief was obviously
26:51
always been vitally important since the beginning.
26:54
So I'm not saying the importance has changed, but it does kind of
26:57
seem like the, the power balance has changed a little bit where
27:05
I'm trying to be careful with how I'm saying this.
27:07
But in some cases, it's almost like the crew chiefs maybe could
27:11
perceive themselves or some of them might be perceived as
27:15
almost even more important than the driver, as crazy as that is
27:18
to say, even say out loud. I, I don't know, it just seems
27:21
like there's different dynamics and then the type, the driver
27:24
personalities are just so different.
27:27
It's just so hard for me to imagine.
27:29
And not just you, it's just hard for me to imagine that
27:31
particular comment, a personal comment like that going out over
27:36
the radio. Now look, here's the other side
27:37
of them. We've played the flip side of
27:39
the coin here. It wasn't like when you were
27:42
driving. We had social media and we had
27:44
all 40 radios where every single thing was recorded and could be
27:48
possibly clipped and put online or on TV or on the radio at any
27:52
second. So I guess it would be kind of
27:55
crazy of us to assume nobody ever said something personal to
27:58
their driver during your entire time.
28:00
It's just hard for me. Imagine who?
28:02
Who that would have been? I guess I just, I hear my mind
28:06
going, Tony, did Tony Glover yell at Sterling Marlins?
28:10
But I just can't see it, you know, it's just hard for me to
28:12
see it. Well, it could have.
28:14
I mean, I'm sure it probably did happen.
28:16
I'm just saying it didn't happen to me and I've never heard about
28:19
it with anybody else, right? So what that means is if it did
28:22
happen to somebody else, it was taking taken care of internally
28:26
right soon as the race is over, because that's how you deal with
28:28
stuff like that. You know, you deal with it right
28:30
then and get it, get it over with and then go on.
28:33
You know, so just just interesting to say it's an
28:35
interesting thing. We'll see how that we'll see how
28:38
that we'll just watch how that relationship goes all year.
28:40
Now they might come out and win the next seven in a row.
28:42
Kudos to them if they do, because obviously small is
28:45
talented. He knows how he does what to do
28:47
with that race car. You know, we know Briscoe can
28:49
drive. So, you know, I'm not not really
28:51
trying to knock in. I'm just thinking about what,
28:53
you know, what, how I how I would have reacted and how
28:57
things, and maybe you're right, maybe things a little bit
29:00
different. Maybe the dynamics now between
29:02
the driver and crew chief are a little different than it was a
29:04
few years ago. But it doesn't matter.
29:06
Still human beings and the personalities are the same.
29:08
That doesn't change. Yeah, it's true.
29:11
Well, it will be interesting to follow him because that's a team
29:13
that you would assume is is you coming into the season.
29:17
You're assuming that's a team that's contending for a
29:18
championship. Oh yeah.
29:20
Oh. Yeah, so, so it'll be definitely
29:21
be 1 to 1 to follow. And to your point on the how the
29:25
heat and everything must have been getting to him yesterday, I
29:29
was thinking about I have still. I know it exists.
29:32
I don't know if it's in a old issue Winston Cup scene.
29:35
Maybe I'll have to ask our buddy Rick Houston if he can find it
29:39
in his archives. But the story is printed and I
29:43
believe it was during Kenny Wallace's course.
29:45
This is on mass cast on Kenny Wallace media.
29:47
It was during Kenny Wallace's rookie year in the Cup Series
29:51
and I believe it was after race in Dover.
29:55
I don't again, don't know if it's Winston Cup scene, but it
29:57
was definitely printed somewhere where somebody observed after
30:00
the race. You're sitting there at the end
30:03
of your your hall or eating a Bologna sandwich, as you often
30:06
did back in those days and still do, I guess.
30:08
I guess you, I'm presuming you still like a good Bologna
30:10
sandwich. I don't know.
30:12
But one of those hot days at Dover and you're sitting there
30:15
eating a Bologna sandwich. You look over and Kenny was over
30:17
there at his hall. I guess they all parked next to
30:19
each other and he's over there puking and you apparently,
30:22
according to the article, just were taken.
30:24
Took a bite of your baloney sandwich and we're sitting there
30:26
going. I remember those days kept
30:29
beating your So that article exists somewhere.
30:34
So whatever Kenny's rookie year was, I don't know, 93 somewhere
30:38
in there. It's it exists somewhere and I
30:40
would love to find it just so we could rehash it and talk to to
30:44
Kenny about it, because I always I was like that story.
30:47
But that's not to say you were never a victim of the heat
30:50
either. All you guys were another point.
30:52
I mean, I mean that's I don't know how y'all did it that
30:55
that's that's tough stuff. You'd lose what on average 10
30:59
lbs water at a race. You got about, Yeah, yeah.
31:02
That it was. It was Funny Band in those days,
31:04
how it worked. I remember one of the first
31:06
races I ever ran this was in with Travis.
31:09
I mean, we ran a couple races, but I remember the first time I
31:11
went to run the world 600, I forget it was Travis.
31:15
God, it was hot that day, 600 miles.
31:17
I mean, it was just torture, torture.
31:20
I remember getting out of the car and the race is over and it
31:22
looked like behind me, and I've told this story many times.
31:24
I looked up down pit Rd. looked like a deer slaughter man.
31:27
Drivers were laying out all over the garage here and the medics
31:30
were running around, you know, trying to cool them off.
31:32
And then in case you ended up going getting Ivs and all that
31:35
stuff, I'm like, goodness gracious, this is torture out
31:38
here today, right? And so you just kind of learned
31:42
over time, you know, and I had, I had trouble with that early on
31:45
a little bit, you know, because I was, I was used to 200 mile
31:48
races, the Bush grill National Series.
31:51
And all of a sudden you thrown in the 500 laps at Dover, right?
31:54
And that's, that's an awakening experience.
31:56
So what you got to do, what you got to do physically to get
31:59
ready to be able to withstand that.
32:01
And I saw article the other day somebody was talking about Neil
32:04
Bonnett. Somebody was eating eating
32:07
supper with near Bonnett the night before a race somewhere
32:10
and he was eating a prime rib and a big baked potato and had a
32:14
yeast roll. They were talking about, they
32:17
said Neil bonnets. They were getting on Neil about
32:19
his eating eating habits. He said, well, he said, no, it's
32:22
no problem. He said, you know that baked
32:24
potato, He said that'll kick in about the last 100 laps, right?
32:28
And then other people talking about somebody this week talked
32:32
about, you know, that if you're a Turkey or a chicken, if you're
32:35
fat, it takes a lot longer to cook you.
32:37
So you if you lean, you get cooked real quick.
32:39
So all the guys getting too skinny driving these race cars.
32:42
I mean, I, we get into a whole another world there with all
32:46
that stuff. But I was fortunate.
32:48
The guy athletic training at University of Virginia named Joe
32:51
Geek. He's still around, very
32:53
respected athletic trainer in that world, right.
32:56
And he, he basically in 1990 or 89, maybe it was 89.
33:00
Set me up the program, you know, that I, I followed religiously
33:04
through my whole career and kind of fixed me, kind of fixed my
33:07
deal from the early, early good ones on to try to figure out how
33:12
to, how to be as sharp at the 500 lap markers, yards, first
33:15
lap markers. That's the deal, man.
33:16
You can, you can get tired or whatever.
33:18
Yeah, or if you give completely out, you know, then you know you
33:22
got a bad problem, but you know, you got to be as good to 505
33:26
hundredth mile as you are the first mile, right.
33:29
And in those days, man, 5 or 600 miles at some of these race
33:32
tracks was just absolutely murder the heat in the cars and
33:38
you know, it was hard to be just as good as at the end as you as
33:41
you were at the first. I finally got there.
33:42
I finally got that figured out physically and mentally how to
33:45
do that. And so evidently when I saw
33:50
Kenny puke and I must have been on the upside of all that.
33:53
But then, so that's pretty cool story.
33:55
You were well into you were years into Joe Geek's plan for
33:59
you at that point. Yeah.
34:02
What? Well, for the for the mass cast
34:04
listeners. Listeners.
34:05
What was that? That regiment that he had, John,
34:07
I remember what it was. I remember watching you.
34:09
But what was it? Well, it was basically an hour
34:11
and 20 minutes every day and it was, it consists of consistent
34:16
really of stretching, right? You get yourself warmed up and
34:19
stretching at the end. But it was my deal was
34:22
cardiovascular, you know, I didn't need a muscle mass,
34:24
right? Some of the guys had to work
34:26
with muscles, you know, like Mark.
34:29
Mark worked real hard with that and he still does.
34:32
And kudos to him for all that too.
34:34
I always admired him for his, his stubbornness to stick with
34:37
that stuff the way he did and the way he still does.
34:40
But but anyhow, my deal was, and I can't remember exactly, I
34:43
should remember how I lived it for 10 years, but it was 35 or
34:48
40 minutes running on a treadmill up, way up in there
34:52
wide open. That was a big thing was you're
34:54
running with me. Then it was just a series of a
34:56
series of, of, of exercises, push ups setups, you know, some,
35:00
some back and leg muscle strengthening things that I did
35:06
and it would end up, it would end up with stretching again,
35:10
right. But it was an hour and 20
35:11
minutes. How long this whole thing took
35:13
me and I did it, you know, I did it night day.
35:15
I did it everywhere. Was that he was race tracks.
35:17
I would get out and do it or try to freeze at a motel.
35:19
I tried to do it at the gym, just whatever tried to do or
35:21
would try to do. A lot of times you couldn't do
35:23
it. But that was that was the main
35:25
thing we stuck to. Well, correct me if I'm wrong,
35:28
but weren't you always wearing a full long sleeve and long pants
35:32
sweat suit and making it as hot as you could in the room?
35:35
Do that. Oh.
35:35
Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.
35:37
We didn't use air conditioner, man.
35:38
No, it was a heavy sweat suit, right?
35:41
And, you know, clothes heavily because basically what I was
35:45
trying to do with myself, because not everybody's the
35:47
same. But my idea was getting my body
35:49
acclimated to the heat, right? Two things.
35:52
Get my body acclimated to the heat and get my cardiovascular
35:57
system working, making it carry the oxygen cells to throughout
36:01
my body better. Right.
36:02
That that's kind of was that was the two main things that I
36:05
worked on and you know it works. Yeah, I that's the my, my main
36:11
image I have I can remember of you and your workouts is being
36:15
that full heavy sweat suit, full long sleeve heavy sweat suit.
36:20
And by the time you're done, I mean, you just be absolutely,
36:23
completely drenched and sweat. But it makes sense.
36:27
That's what you're having to get your body ready for.
36:30
I thought it was interesting if you if you watched or listened
36:32
to mass cast last week. I was talking about Tyler
36:35
Reddick came to visit us at my job with the Braves and he was
36:39
my guest on behind the Braves. Actually, if you if you want to
36:42
hear my interview with Tyler Redick, check out Behind the
36:44
Braves. When you're done listening to
36:45
Mass cast, you can hop over and listen to that.
36:48
We had a good time, but after the the podcast was over and
36:52
before his appearance at the ballpark, we took him and his
36:55
and the crew, the entourage he had with him on a little little
36:59
VIP tour of the ballpark with the with the time that we had,
37:02
we didn't have time for a full ballpark tour.
37:04
We took him down into the players clubhouse, which is the
37:07
locker room for people who don't follow baseball.
37:10
It's in baseball. We call the locker room, the
37:12
clubhouse and took him back through where our players like
37:17
where the the kitchen is or their their chef is, their
37:21
lounge, their workout facility and then the training room.
37:25
And Tyler himself even said the thing he was most kind of amped
37:30
up and geeked up to see was he was looking at the training room
37:33
because he said this is where I spend most of my time when I'm
37:35
at airspeed, which 2311 shop. And he was noticing the like the
37:42
setup of the Braves, like hot tub and cold tub.
37:44
And he's like, I'm going to text our owners right now and tell
37:46
them this is this is a setup we need.
37:48
Ours is great, but it needs to be like this one.
37:50
But I just thought that was so interesting that him, that was
37:52
the part he was. So that was the more he was most
37:55
excited to see because this is where I spend most of my time
37:58
when I'm at the shop is right here.
38:01
So I just thought that was, that was interesting just how times
38:04
have have changed. And I mean, I don't know how it
38:07
was back when you were racing. We lived here in Virginia, you
38:09
know, and all the shops were in Charlotte.
38:11
So I, I don't know that shops had the, I doubt they had the
38:15
workout and training facilities that they, they have now or
38:17
anything close to it. I don't know.
38:19
Yeah, they started putting those things into.
38:21
It was really for the team members.
38:23
They they were doing that in the 90s, but I remember when that
38:27
thing started with all these teams, but it's really for the
38:29
crew members and a lot of it was over the wall guys, but it
38:32
really was for everybody on that team.
38:33
But you never find a driver and they're doing it.
38:35
If they were doing it, they're doing it secretly, right?
38:38
Not telling anybody. Yeah, yeah.
38:41
No, it was a didn't, didn't you tell a story.
38:43
I think you've told a story a couple times about Harry Gant's
38:45
workout routine and the and the the pull ups when he do some
38:50
when. Yeah.
38:51
Well, it wasn't a pull up. He supposedly he'd always he'd
38:55
fussed everybody for I always talking about the workouts, the
38:58
routines and Harry said, oh y'all do y'all boys just stay
39:01
tough. He ain't tough like me, right?
39:02
And that was but you know, Pecky his wife meant one time he hit
39:07
had some kind of big, big hunk of metal, she said.
39:10
Must have been part of a motor, she says, sitting beside his
39:13
recliner. And he'd sit there all night
39:14
sitting there recliner watching TV, doing curls with his arms,
39:18
picking that piece of metal up. And I was watching TV.
39:22
But now Harry was just a physical specimen man.
39:25
He that watch Hill, RI where we were talking about where we
39:28
learned about the camber, right and went in the basement that
39:31
thing one time he jumped up and grabbed 2 two to twelve floor
39:34
joists, you know, like this like like that.
39:38
He didn't reach over top. He just grabbed him and sit
39:40
there and pulled himself up 10 times.
39:42
I'm like, OK, I don't think anybody ever wants the best with
39:46
this man. You know, you think about that.
39:48
You just clamp with your thumb and your hands, you pull
39:50
yourself up. That was that was pretty
39:53
spectacular. Let's put it that way.
39:54
Is. That what you would call country
39:56
strong. That was that was a freak of
39:59
nature. Strong is what that is.
40:01
Yes, yes. Yeah.
40:04
That's it's interesting to see how that that whole side of
40:07
things has evolved through time and again.
40:09
I just got a kick out of out of seeing Reddit kind of being most
40:12
amped up to see like how a different sport like their their
40:16
recovery room, their training room and the and the workout
40:19
facilities. I thought that was pretty.
40:20
Pretty interesting, man. Not everybody's the same, right?
40:23
Back in my day, there's plenty of guys never, never did
40:26
anything right and could do just fine.
40:28
Then there's other guys that had to, you know, like myself about
40:31
mid pack midway, you know, you had to do a lot of stuff and
40:34
there's some guys you know, that had to really make it, you know,
40:38
almost religious activity to do it, to be able to make it, you
40:41
know, so everybody, everybody's built different.
40:43
I'm sure it's still same today. The problem is you can't get
40:46
away with it if you're, if you're physically not good at
40:49
the end with the way they've got everything right now going, you
40:52
know, all the, the technical part of that of racing now where
40:57
they know every single thing that's happening, even with all
40:59
the telemetry and the stuff that's going off the drivers,
41:01
you know, if the drivers, you know, if he's only 80% of
41:04
himself during the race, they'll know that, right?
41:06
And they'll, they'll, they'll address that and the drivers
41:09
going to have to address it. So I I don't know without
41:11
knowing how that works now, but I guarantee you if the drivers
41:15
got a fatigue problem, they don't know about it, It's going
41:17
to be addressed. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
41:22
Well, I did want to get into we can talk about Phoenix, but I do
41:26
I want to talk at least touch briefly on the Gibbs gay part
41:30
lawsuit. We talked a little bit about it
41:32
last week and it's it's continuing on.
41:37
I, I was thinking about this after, after mass cast and I
41:40
started reading some more and the, you know, like any court
41:43
case, court documents come out and then you start hearing
41:46
little bits of this side and that side and I'm like, I'm
41:50
coming. Last week I was kind of laughing
41:51
about it because I'm like, it's nice to have a NASCAR legal
41:54
drama that doesn't feel like the whole sport's hanging in the
41:56
balance. I still feel that way, but I was
41:59
kind of reading that. I'm like, man, I don't, I don't
42:01
know how much there is to gain by this thing going on for
42:07
anybody because I, I don't, it's kind of like the more stuff I'm
42:11
reading and the more stuff that's coming out, I'm like,
42:14
man, y'all need to just get in a room and, and maybe hash this
42:17
thing out and agree to just, I mean, it's a divorce.
42:19
Divorces are messy. That's the way it goes sometime.
42:22
But I'm reading all this stuff and I'm like, this is going to
42:25
end up bringing everybody involved down.
42:27
That's my very non legal and very just reading posts on
42:30
Twitter and reading the few documents that have come out
42:33
about it. But I for all their sake, I kind
42:37
of hope they can just come to an agreement on it or, or whatever
42:40
soon and move along because I the longer it goes on, I just
42:43
don't think it's one of those deals where somebody might win
42:46
in the court, but I don't know that there's going to be any
42:48
winners. Well, yeah, I agree with you,
42:50
Ricky, but when, you know, when they serve suit, when they serve
42:53
suit against Gate Park, you know, it's pretty inflammatory,
42:56
right? We all read that.
42:57
We're like, man, it's got unscrewed up.
43:00
Then his counter deal. You read that and you're like,
43:03
huh, now, who the hell do we believe here?
43:06
Because they're both saying the exact same thing about the other
43:09
one. They well, sort of they're
43:11
they're they're completely 180° apart about what they're saying.
43:15
What went on. So you know, what side do you
43:18
believe? Who do you believe?
43:19
And then so that, you know, I understand why he had to do
43:22
that, right? Because what they the first
43:25
thing that came out about is very, very bad for him, right,
43:27
terribly bad for him. And then so I understand why he
43:30
had to fight back and what he said was completely, completely
43:34
opposite from, you know, what those guys said.
43:37
So then as that went on and they said they met in the courtroom
43:41
last week and it was he, he and coach and who was the other one
43:46
with them with the team. And they said that overheard
43:49
them saying, man, we need to try to get this thing settled.
43:53
And they and they do. I mean, you know, if you you
43:56
know, this has gone on forever within our sport, you got a crew
43:58
chief for whoever that knows some stuff with somebody else
44:01
going to try to hire him. You know, this all the hell that
44:03
went on by during my time and went on before my time, you know
44:07
the deal. I got him on his intellectual
44:09
properties and doing it all through computer and all all
44:12
that stuff that they don't have what he's got in his mind.
44:14
You know, they can't keep that from him.
44:16
You know, you can't keep that from a team.
44:18
But you know, yeah, I'm like you, Ricky.
44:21
They need to stop. They need to just settle this
44:23
thing, get it over with me done with it and get on down the road
44:26
I don't need. This yeah, because you start
44:29
with all the stuffs coming out about when gay parts side came
44:31
out and you're reading the stuff about what he says, what goes
44:34
on, particularly when it pertains to the 54 car.
44:37
And just like, yeah, guys, this is just whether whatever is
44:41
true, whatever isn't true, everybody just needs to just get
44:44
together, hash it out, move on. So that's it.
44:48
Phoenix. So Phoenix was a place you
44:51
enjoyed, right? You like going out to Phoenix.
44:53
Of course it was configured slightly differently, but that's
44:57
you know, that's one place when you were racing.
45:01
I never. It's one of the few places I
45:03
never went to. And I remember you saying,
45:06
though, as far as places to go, I think it was one of your
45:08
favorite places to go, wasn't it?
45:10
Yeah. It was, I mean the, the
45:12
amenities around there in, in those days, especially early
45:14
days, we before the motorhomes. But yeah, everybody stayed in
45:17
the motels, right? And you had to eat while you
45:19
were there, right. So that was one of the places
45:23
that everybody enjoyed going because man, they had some bad
45:26
ass good cooking there, good food, right?
45:29
You go up on that mountain and police people come up on the
45:31
horses riding and had the big fire pits outside cooking these
45:35
great big team of mistakes. They had big old trays of beans,
45:39
you know, I forget the name of that place, but people come
45:41
riding up on the horses and doing that crap.
45:43
And just anywhere you go to that in that whole area, Phoenix,
45:48
gosh, Goodyear, Scottsdale, Tempe, that's all like one big
45:52
city and it's just a cool. It was in the vibe there was
45:55
cool. You know, you could get around
45:57
all the all the roads in that thing were parallel or they're
46:00
all did this. It wasn't any of this crazy
46:03
stuff. Everything was on the road.
46:04
You can never get lost. You knew where he was at.
46:06
I don't know. It's just a that no deal is just
46:09
a good vibe, right. And then the racetrack itself, I
46:13
love the racetrack, just absolutely loved, loved that
46:16
racetrack. I love racing on that racetrack,
46:19
you know, and you know, and they they always drove a good crowd,
46:23
always drew a good crowd there and they still do today, right.
46:26
And so it'll be interesting to see this week, you know, if we
46:32
have dominance by Blaney again in the Penske's at that
46:36
racetrack or, you know, what the 45 could do.
46:40
Could he do four in a row? Who knows man, We'll see.
46:44
Yeah, I, I've never went to the racetrack out there.
46:47
I've been in Phoenix once, and that was when I was out there
46:49
with Major League Baseball back in 2012 for a couple days and in
46:54
the fan cave deal for tryouts. And the couple days I was there,
46:57
I had the same kind of reaction and feeling you did.
47:00
I love the vibe. It was one of the cleanest,
47:02
nicest cities I've ever been in. The spring training facility we
47:06
went to was, of course, it's been almost 15 years, but it was
47:09
state-of-the-art best in baseball at the time.
47:12
So love it out there. And like you said, it's it's
47:16
they always, always draw a good crowd and they've got some great
47:18
storylines going into the race there this weekend where we can
47:22
follow so. Bill always had before the
47:25
reconfigured it, we'd always you'd, you'd come in the
47:28
racetrack on the backstretch, which is now the front stretch.
47:30
But you had a crossover gate there in that trial ordeal and
47:34
you had to park most you had to park.
47:38
They're trying to get out of the the worst part about that race
47:40
there was trying to get out of there when the race was over.
47:43
It was bad, bad, bad deal getting out of there and somehow
47:47
or another my old buddy awesome Bill hell hit right there at
47:51
that gate where you come across. There was somebody right there
47:53
at that gate that owned that gate area or he who's a worker,
47:57
right? Part of the track personnel had
47:59
a little area, right spot right there.
48:01
And Bill, he would let Bill park his car right there, right?
48:04
So Bill always had a frigging advantage on everybody getting
48:08
out of there and getting away from before all the traffic
48:10
happened. And I forget how that deal work,
48:15
but ended up Bill ended up letting me ride with it, right.
48:19
And so the race was over. We could get out of there pretty
48:23
quick. We did that two or three times
48:25
and then the motorhome thing started.
48:27
I don't know that that happened two or three times, but I never
48:30
forget how how also Bill got that one little spot.
48:33
But he did. And you know, the guy, let him
48:36
have it, and everybody else wanted it, but no, Bill had it.
48:39
So I don't know. Just a little antidote about
48:42
Phoenix. I feel like as as time goes on,
48:44
on mass cast the race after the race, we're just going, we're
48:47
going to get little tidbits of information because we we talked
48:51
about it with Earnhardt and Martinsville and just the race
48:54
after the race in general. And I can remember like bribing,
48:59
like the bribes that would would happen to various personnel to
49:02
get the best spot at the airport or to get the best spot like you
49:06
just laid out there. Bill had the best spot at
49:08
Phoenix. So that's those little fun
49:10
things that are. That's why I'd call it the race
49:11
after the race because it was its own, it's kind of its own
49:14
form of competition. That was it was always kind.
49:17
Of fun. Each each, each track had its
49:18
own deal, man, you know what I mean?
49:20
That's what we need. We'll make that segment this
49:23
year, Ricky on after the race. We'll make a segment the race
49:26
after the race segment from that race we just had.
49:28
Now we can't talk about Coda because Coda wasn't there when I
49:32
was racing. I don't have a clue.
49:34
I don't have a clue how you get in now that place, right?
49:36
And but I will say this, through all those years of doing all
49:39
that crap, the best thing that ever happened, we started using
49:41
helicopters, right? That's when the place got that's
49:44
when the trucks were so busy. I mean, you couldn't even move
49:47
or breathe, right. So a lot of the places we end up
49:49
helicopter, but we'll do that each week.
49:51
We'll start next week after the Phoenix race and we'll talk
49:54
about the race after the race and some of the some of the
49:57
experiences that went on at these deals.
50:00
Man, it's wonder was just wonder.
50:01
Everybody didn't get killed or maimed or hurt, but we did we.
50:04
Survived it. So I, I just wrote that down in
50:08
our notes for next week and beyond.
50:11
And as you said that, well, as you said it, we're, we're lucky
50:14
nobody ever got maimed or killed.
50:15
I'm like, Oh yeah, that makes me think of that time at Richmond.
50:18
I'll save that story for Richmond.
50:20
And then so that'll be later in the year.
50:22
But that's that's when I remember, well, I shouldn't say
50:26
finally, but it's like, thankfully we can.
50:29
I can laugh. We can all laugh about it, but
50:31
it could. You have to remind me after
50:33
Richmond because I don't remember.
50:34
It oh, I'll, I'll tell that story.
50:36
I remember it. All right, all right.
50:39
We'll be waiting. We'll be waiting on that one.
50:41
Well, anything else you want to tell the people before we before
50:44
we wrap it up for this week of Mass Cast I?
50:46
Guess, I guess that pretty much covers everything.
50:49
You know, I mean, we heck, the start the year, the stuff that I
50:55
I said first on the mass cash I want to see happening.
50:57
And that's with all the big MO that NASCAR has coming out of
51:01
the winter, everything that went on and the things they're doing
51:03
and trying to do. And you know, I said my whole
51:05
deal this year was just going to my my biggest interest this year
51:08
was going to be watching what goes on.
51:11
You know, how they keep promoting, how they're trying to
51:12
do the right things and see how how we propel this sport this
51:15
year. And so far, man, we're on a
51:17
roll. So hopefully we'll keep it
51:19
going. Honestly, after we left from the
51:22
second, the second Ryan Priest took the the checkered flag at
51:25
Bowman Gray and we got through the Mother Nature experience at
51:29
Bowman Gray. Everything since then, it's all
51:31
been, I think it's all been good.
51:32
It's all been really good. So I, I agree with you.
51:35
I'm I'm as amped up to watch this weekend as I have been in a
51:40
while. It's just, I really, really,
51:42
it's nice every Sunday for me, just as a fan, I really look
51:46
forward to just watching the race and just seeing, seeing
51:49
what's going to happen. You know, I'm not, I don't feel
51:52
obligated to watch because I do a podcast with you about it or
51:56
for any other reason other than I'll wake up Sunday and I'm
51:58
like, Oh yeah, can't wait to watch the race day.
52:01
And my wife says, what time is the race today?
52:03
And also we set our fantasy lineups, you know, and our.
52:05
And our you know, You know who else wakes up thinking that,
52:08
Ricky? Not Michael.
52:10
Jordan that's. Yeah, that's right.
52:15
Well, it's taken me, it's taken me 42 years, but finally Michael
52:21
Jordan and I have something in common.
52:23
That's great. That's.
52:25
It. Now you're exactly right.
52:27
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52:46
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52:49
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