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UK Column News Podcast 15th March 2024 · UK Column Radio

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Good afternoon. It's Friday, the fifteenth of March twenty twenty four, just
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after one o'clock. Welcome to the UK Column News. I'm your host,
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Mike Robinson joining me today by videolik. We have Ben Rubin and Debbie Evans,
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Welcome to the program both. Now we're going to start with extremism,
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and of course everybody will know by now that Michael co stood up in Parliament
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yesterday to launch a new definition of extremism for the UK government. Let's have
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a listen to a few seconds of what he said. Thank you very much,
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mister speaker, And with your permission, I'd like to make a statement
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about the next states that we are taking in the government strategy to counter extremism
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and to build greater national resilience and social cohesion. The United Kingdom is a
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success story, a multinational, multi ethnic, multi faith democracy, stronger because
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of our diversity. But our democracy and our values of inclusivity and tolerance are
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under challenge from extremist groups which are radicalizing our young people and driving greater polarization
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within and between communities to further their own ends. As a new definition makes
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clear, extremism can lead to the radicalization of individuals, deny people their full
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rights and opportunities, suppress freedom of expression, insight hatred, weaken social cohesion,
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and ultimately it can lead to acts of terrorism. By today, my
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department is publishing an updated, more precise and rigorous definition of extremism, alongside
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a set of cross government engagement principles for use when engaging with external groups.
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There is also detailed guidance of what the definition does and does not capture,
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and we're also setting up a new Counter Extremism Center of Excellence in my department
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as a world leading authority on best practice, data and research. So the
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important thing to notice here is this is for the use of government and so
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on. We'll come on to that a little bit more in a second,
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but first of all, I want to play a couple of seconds what George
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Galloway had to say in response. It's quite clear that there's a shared endeavor
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going on between the two front benches, but as questions have continued, it's
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quite clear there's unease on both sides of the House, on the back benches,
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and for very good reasons. It is obviously true that this is part
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of a culture war wallpaper that's being created for the general election soon to come.
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It's not good enough to say that it doesn't seek to ban or jail
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anyone. You tried getting a bank account once you've been branded by Michael Gove
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as an extremist, so as I say, this has no legal standing as
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such. But I think that final point from Galloway is extremely important. And
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we've seen this type of thing in the past, with people being denied bank
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accounts for being involved with certain types of campaign groups and so on. So
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an extremism tag is not going to be helpful. And it's not what happens
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legally here that matters is what happens in the corporate world, for example,
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with social media and so on. I go very very keen to and he
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keeps saying it this is nothing to do with restricting freedom of speech. Well
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we'll have a look and see in a second about that and so on.
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So anyway, before we get to that, let's have a look at the
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actual definition. So here's what they have to say in the document. The
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threat from extremism has been steadily growing for many years. While the government and
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its partners have worked hard to combat this threat, the pervisiveness of extremist ideologies
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in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks in Israel on seventh October twenty twenty three
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highlighted the need for further action. So they say that extremism is the promotion
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or advancement of an ideology based on violence, hitred or intolerance that aims too
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now before we look at them. Of course, there's quite a bit of
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difference between violence, hatred and intolerance. Maybe we can talk about that a
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little bit later and an extra but anyway that aims to one negate or destroy
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the fundamental rights and freedoms of others, or two undermines, over turns and
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replaces the UK system of liberal democracy and democratic rights. That's an interesting one.
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Or three intentionally creates permissive environment for others to achieve the results in one
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or two. So they go on then to look at the aims that may
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be involved here. So what in one that they define is negate or destroy
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fundamental rights and freedoms and they say behavior against this. They define this as
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behavior against a group or members of it that seeks to negate or destroy their
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rights to live equally under the law and free of fear, threat, violence,
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and discrimination, including for example, using threatening, inciting, justifying,
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glorifying, or excusing violence towards a group in order to dissuade them from using
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their legally defined rights and freedoms. M too they define as undermine, overturn,
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or replace liberal democracy, and they say that this is all about attempts
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to overturn or replace the ek system of liberal parliamentary democracy and democratic rights,
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including advocating that the UK's parliamentary democracy and democratic values and rights are not compatible
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with their ideology, and seeking to challenge, overthrow, or change our political
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system outside of lawful means. And the first point I would make here is
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that, of course this might be viewed as looking at things like Islamism or
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similar types of ideologies, But of course I would make the point that the
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parliamentary democracy that we have at the moment is not compatible with our constitutional arrangements.
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And so does this apply to people that are campaigning for a return to
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the tenets to the British Constitution. Well, let's see what else they say
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here. Let's move on to the next one. So number M two also
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includes using, threatening, and said, justifying, glorifying, or excusing violence
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towards citizens fair enough in order to dissuade them from participating freely in the democratic
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process. But of course we've got to see this in the context of the
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narratives have been built over the last few days and weeks about threats to members
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of Parliament, and therefore we are not allowed to we want to prevent people
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from protesting outside of constituency offices for example. Then they go on to say
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subverting the way public or state institutions exercise their pars in order to further ideological
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goals, for example through entryism or by misusing pars to encourage or encouraging others
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to do so. Now, entryism is where somebody from a campaign group surreptitiously
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decides to get themselves into for example, the Conservative Party. We've got almost
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no sitting Conservative MPs that are prepared to stand at the coming general election,
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so of course there's plenty of opportunity for entryism here, where people would go
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in to the Tory Party and attempt to get a place to stand in election
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as a Tory when in fact what they are doing is getting that Tory seat
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in order to pursue some other ideological aim. And then aim two continues by
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going on to say, using threatening and citing, justifying, glorifying, excusing
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violence, supports public officials using including our armed forces, police forces, and
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members of local devolved national legislature legislatures in order to dissuade them from conducting their
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obligations freely and fearlessly without external influence. We sort of covered that already,
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and then here's the kicker for me establishing parallel government structures which, whether or
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not they have formal legal underpinning, seek to supersede the lawful powers of existing
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institutions of state. So this government and this Parliament, because this is absolutely
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supported by the Labor Party as well, is panicking about people sidelining the parliament
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that sits because they no longer believe in what it stands for, and setting
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up their own parallel institutions wherever that be, schools, hospitals, whatever it
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happens to be. They do not want this to take place. That is
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viewed as extremism and they are not going to support that in any way,
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shape or form. M three then is all about enabling the spread of extremism,
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and they define that as intentionally creating a permissive environment for behavior in IN
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one or M two, including providing an uncritical platform for individuals and representatives,
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groups or organizations that have demonstrated behavior and either in one or M two.
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This doesn't just apply to Islamism or whatever your bete noires of the day.
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This applies to everybody. It goes on to say, the dissemination of extremist
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propaganda and narratives that call for behavior and either in one or two. And
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well, just by coincidence, of course, Hope not Hit just happened to
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put their latest State of Hit twenty twenty four report out on the same day
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at the same time that this annot announcement is being made by government. I
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ask myself, then did they get heads up that government was going to announce
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this on this particular day. UK column featured in this report as it usually
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is, And then I just want to mention this article here from David Frost,
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the former civil servant, The fight back against people who hit Britain has
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become begun. This isn't just about people that would be classified as hitting Britain.
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This is about people who actually, if hit is a word that you
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want to use, what our parliament democracy parliamentary democracy has become and want to
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do something about it. So let's put that back on screen for a second
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and look at what he had to say. He says, none of this
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has legal force. It's guidance. It's guidance for government. Nor is it
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about freedoms for speech. I think that's wrong. But anyway, it doesn't
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ban any organization, That doesn't stop anyone saying anything. It just means that
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on the basis of what an organization says or does, the government can decide
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not to interact within a point. It's representatives to quangos or give it taxpayers.
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Mone I can't see what's wrong with that. Indeed, I approve of
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it. Well. Actually, I believe it is all about freedom of speech.
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And again, just by coincidence, offcom publishes this at the same time,
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encountering violent online content starts at primary school and of course this is all
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about extremism in schools, so lots of things going on at the same time.
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But Ben, I'm very interested in your thoughts on this because it seems
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to me government is using the smoke screen of extremism from the usual groups to
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cover something which is actually much more broadly based. Everyone on Ben, I'm
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an extremist. According to Michael Gove, I think they're panicking. I think
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that building parallel systems is the route out of this craziness. And I've been
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doing a lot of work around this, you know, over the past few
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weeks, so to see that pop up yesterday was was was kind of remarkable
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actually, And yeah, it's it's it's it's not about protecting anybody, certainly
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not about protecting children. It's about maintaining the status quote. It's all of
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these and and suppressing fundamental rights and free speech and and all the things that
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we rely on for for a well functioning civilization. And I mean, what
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do you I didn't agree with with Galloway about this point about this just being
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something with respect to the election, because, as I've said, this is
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something which is supported by both parties. There's no there's nothing to differentiate between
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them here, so it's not going to become an election issue. But his
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point about bank accounts and the fact is that once you get on one of
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these lists, it starts impacting your life. This is this is a tricky
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area. It's a very tricky area. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean we
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saw the high profile case line year with Nigel Faraje being de banked by I
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believe it was Coots, wasn't it. Maybe we're going to start seeing this
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play out more broadly across the population. Maybe we'll have problems in the coming
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months. Who knows what's going to happen, but I think that, you
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know, my my definitive view on this is that it's one of those classic
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things, right like the more they try to lock this down, the more
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draconian they become, the more ferb and the pushback will be Yes, indeed,
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And I'll just say to anybody that's skeptical, you know, anybody that
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uses terminology like what can we do? We just do what we're doing because
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it's having an effect. This is clear the Parliament getting extremely concerned about what's
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going on in the country at the moment and this is not the right response
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in my opinion. But anyway, Debbie, let's move on then to health
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issues. Welcome to the program. Yes, good afternoon everyone, Thank you.
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Well. We've been reporting for a very long time on abuse and neglect
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of people in hospital and in care homes, and indeed we've just interviewed one
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of our very own UK column viewers and subscribers, Hillary about the treatment that
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her mum received in hospital and that interview will be going out in the next
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couple of weeks, so please watch for it. But this next article from
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The Independent, I can say now that actually they're are starting to catch up,
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so they're saying that elderly people are being treated like animals, left begging
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for care. So this segment is for you to the chief nurse, Ruth
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May, Dame Ruth May, because this should never ever be happening. Let
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me introduce you to Thomas Giles, who was treated like an animal. He's
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ninety six from Mersey and West Lancashire. He was found semi naked, distress,
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delirious, choking on his own vomit because he was so heavily sedated.
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Next we have ninety nine year old Catherine Hoddell, who says that she was
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better off at the Vet Queen's Hospital, Burton, Derbyshire. Had a fractured
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spine. She was sent home with paracetamol, but when she was readmitted her
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family found her the next day looking woful, with a dead woman in a
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bed next to her. Next, we've got eighty six year old Joanes Stephens
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treated like meat. A former nurse at Stoke Mandibal Hospital. She had a
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fall. She was left in soaking pads. She was fed, but when
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she was fed, as she had, the food shoveled into her mouth so
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quickly she nearly choked on it. She went into hospital mobile and came out
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immobile. Next we've got ninety four year old Rob Gladding who was left in
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soaked sheets. He comes from Paul and he had an overflowing Capeta bag.
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And this is just simply heenus. This should never be happening. It would
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never be happening on my watch. So going on from there, let's look
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Attrosenica AstraZeneca have now invested six hundred and fifty million pounds in Cambridge Life Sciences
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Cluster and Liverpool Vaccine Manufacture, and az are set to be working with the
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UKHSA. I can't see that working out well, but let's remind Ourselvesrosenica Sir
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Pascal Sorrio, who has received the Terra Carta Seal, and let's remind ourselves
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that Astrosenica are very busy convening global health leaders to accelerate action on climate.
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So we very much have a partnership with King Charles. And for those of
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you that are watching, no smoke the Green King. You might find this
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interesting because of course Astrozenica and Sir Pascal are part of King Charles's Climate Task
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Force. So staying on vaccines, the uk HSA have just broadcast, published
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or posted the latest video on children's vac scenes. And what I find so
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disturbing about this very short video is this is children as trusted messengers promoting vaccines
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to other children. Let's have a look our generations. Risk of illnesses like
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measles and hooping cough is rising. If we're not vaccinated, we're not protective.
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And get where your lifely disabilities are you child's vaccines at date? I
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find that advert very disturbing. And just to conclude this health segment, Sir
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Christopher Witty, our chief Medical Officer, has been popping up again at Gresham
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and he's been delivering a lecture this time, as we had warned you just
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before Christmas, he's busy talking about earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanoes, and in
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particular he was focusing on the UK and with regards to earthquake, he says
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that earthquakes can occur in many places, but most are small and we do
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have a few small earthquakes in the UK, but he felt the need to
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highlight that, and then he also wanted to focus on tsunamis and tsunamis in
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Cornwall. So as I'm in Cornwall, I better be careful, hadn't I?
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And he was referring to the cumbre veya volcano in the Canary Islands.
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But let's just look at listen to what he had to say, a very
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short clip from his lecture. So the tsunami that occurred in Indonesia was the
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largest one in recorded history, but they've occurred multiple times through history, the
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most well described in Japan, which actually named tsunamis. But you can also
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get tsunamis occurring in Europe. And I've just chosen the Lisbon tsunami of seventeen
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fifty five. So this was a major earthquake followed by a tsunami. And
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the tsunami went through Portugal up to the out of the Azores, went along
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North Africa, France, and actually hit Cornwall, where it was described as
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having a wave of about three meters, still very large and great loss of
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life. Numbers are not clear, so you can certainly get tinnamis affecting here
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in deeper history, we've had very major tsunamis occurring in the UK, for
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example, from landslides in Norway falling off large mountains the Canary Islands in theory
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could cause a tsunami at the other side of the UK. So any country
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that has got a coast potentially is at risk of tsunami from somewhere else.
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Debbie, I think that Chris Woody, as Chief Scientific Officers, should be
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more worried about the tsunami of poo that comes out of our water companies these
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days. I have a lot to say on pooh. Maybe we can talk
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about it an extra But what does Chris Witty know that we don't Perhaps good
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question. Okay, no, Ben, let me welcome you back to the
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program then, and we're talking about AI, but we're beginning with tortoise media
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question going on at the minute about AI? What is it? How do
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we deploy it, how do we regulate it? Importantly, tortures media are
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right in the center of this, and they're right in the center of a
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lot of the discussion going on in the country at the moment. We're going
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to be talking about them quite a bit this year. They're a new news
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business set up in twenty eighteen by a bunch of former BBC and Times newspaper
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people. Their mantra is slow down and wiser. The idea is that this
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is a counterpoint to the rapidly accelerating twenty four seven news cycle. Actually,
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you know kind of what's required, but unfortunately their editorial direction is certainly not
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one that we'd agree with. And actually this is really a way of buttressing
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and reinforcing the rapidly deteriorating globalist mainstream media narrative being put forward by people like
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Michael go So they're a modern media org. They've got a website as you
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would expect. You can look at articles, podcast videos, books of stores,
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basically what UK column are doing, but with a very different editorial line.
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As I was saying, I believe that the Tortoise name is a reference
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to the mascot of the Fabian Society, which was used up until the nineteen
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sixties. And the Fabians are not so secret society of Marxists working to implement
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the single global government. Sounds very familiar, doesn't it. They're funded,
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extremely well funded. Sorry, just to clarify, this is Tortoise funding,
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not Fabian Society. Funding is fair. This is Tortoise, yes exactly.
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Yeah, this is tortoise funding through strategic partnerships with a bunch of big international
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corporations and government bodies. They sit right in the thick of this bunch of
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international money. As I said, they were founded by a load of XBBC
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people, including this guy James Harding, who we can see on stage here
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on the left hand side. He's the editor in chief and he's here hosting
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the Tautoise Responsible AI Forum at Waterston House near Aylesbury last week. There's a
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big show piece conference, one of a series that they host on under the
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responsible theme, so it's Responsible AI, responsible investment, a whole bunch of
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other themes which he spoke about Responsible Investment one towards the end of last year.
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And regular viewers will remember James Harding from Gold's House in Davos, and
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here he is stood in front of Satan as we've spoken about extensively on the
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show over the past couple of months now on stage alongside him. They had
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a real stellar cast at this event last week. So the first person of
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know was Meredith Whittaker, the president of Signaled, the nonprofit messaging app which
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I've actually heard his back by there and now. Talking to Channel four News
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last year about the UK's Online Safety Bill, she said what is specified as
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a raging that would get Offcom the power to demand that everyone in the UK
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downloads spywhere that checks their messages before their center against the database of what is
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permissible to say and what is not permissible. And I don't believe that the
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Act was changed substantially between that comment, that analysis and being enacted, and
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she would have been able to explore that in detail at the Tatters event because
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the Offcom chief, Melanie Dawes was also there speaking on one of the panels.
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So Melanie Doores obviously the UK's censor in chief looking to dial up her
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powers, which has been recently given. She was joined at the event by
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Nina Jankowitz, the former executive director of the Disinformation Governance BOR Department of Homeland
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Security, her on the right hand side, also known as the Ministry of
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Truth. She spent a princely three months violating her fellow citizens First Amendment rights
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before being bounced out of the role because she is a complete and utter lunatic,
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aren't you. Nina Folloring is really quite fore, she says, when
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it helps to take some lines and makes them sound precocious by seeing them in
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congress or and mainstream out soon, this information's origins are slightly loss atrocious.
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Ah dear, that's yeah. That's a slightly longer video, but it got
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cut off for some reason. I don't know why. So, Nina,
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you're a nutter and but you spend your time, and this is the prominence.
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These are the people getting invited in by Tortoise and a whole bunch of
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other people to talk about the regulation of artificial intelligence. But then there's an
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extension of that free speech how society runs, and there are a bunch of
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highly strung liberal women at the center of this discussion. Nina Jankowitz is just
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an exemplar of that, and she goes around nowadays speaking at events like this
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one. How to be a woman online, you've got to deal with gender,
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digital hate, harassment, and violence. So there's this idea I think
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it was actually we saw it in the one of the videos shown earlier,
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this idea that what you're encountering online is violence or hate. It's not violent,
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it's derision. Nina, we're laughing at you and we're picking holes in
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your absurd, poorly informed worldview, and you hate that, which is why
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it feels like hate. Yeah. Who else was there? In mad Mus
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Stack, the CEO of Stability AI, one of the big AI companies who
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had a bit of a drama this week because they were caught stealing data from
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a competitor. Yeah. And actually you can see here this little quote from
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LinkedIn, and the entire business model for AI is based on copyright infringement.
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So this company had actually hacked into one of its competitors' platforms to gather information.
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Not very responsible, right, But he's being invited to these events,
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right, And nobody was talking about this at the event. So far as
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we know, this is all done behind closed doors. By the way,
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there's no recording of these discussions. We don't know what was agreed, what
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specified, what plans were set out. It's extremely unaccountable. Who else was
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there? Finally, last, but not least, Matt Clifford I spoke about
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last week's the chair of ARIA, the UK Data who's working to radically transform
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the lives of your children using a bunch of your taxpayer money. And just
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this week ARIA has announced a new forty two million pound fund to redefine the
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current compute paradigm and deliver AI at one thousandth of the cost in order to
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facilitate the global digital control grid that these people are building. And then they're
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getting together at Waterston House to talk about Yeah, lots of big conversations going
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on the high closed doors, but who's controlling it? As we said,
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this was at Waterston Manor. This is a palatial part in buckingham shere which
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is owned by the Rothchild Foundation. So all of this is happening under the
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auspices of the Rothschild family. In fact, James Harding's post thanks them as
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the sole partner to the event. These are the sensible discussions that are being
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led by Tortoise Media. But as that take us to, it takes us
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directly to Israel. Right, So the Rothschild family have their foundation. It
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has a counterpart in Israel called the yad Hanadiv. You can actually see here
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if you flip that one actually might be yeah, this we can get this
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up on screen. You see the Rothschild Foundation on the left hand side,
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yed Hanadev on the right hand side. They use the same mark logo.
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Press whatever you want to call that the five arrows bundled together, tied up
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with ribbon. That is, the Rothchild Foundation and the Yad Hannadiv paid for
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the design and build of the Israeli Supreme Court. You can see here from
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the Israeli Supreme Court website Lord Rothchild recently deceased, second from the right in
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this portrait by Paul Benny the British artists and also included in here have a
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bunch of Israeli leaders shim On Perezis that would be in Isaiah Berlin and others.
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And here we can see the final completed Israeli Supreme Court in the foreground,
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including what appears to be a Masonic temple on the left hand side right
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like the pyramid with the eye. There's an enormous amount of symbolism inside this
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building, as well as the Kanesset in the background, which is the Israeli
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Parliament, which was also funded and built by Yad Hanadiv. Meaning that these
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buildings, the state they represent, and the powers behind them appear to be
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directing and controlling Tortoise media and all of these discussions around responsible Ai investment,
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politics, democracy, whatever it might be that are going on in the UK.
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Right now, just to correct one thing there, Ben, you said
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FBI funding Signal was a CIA we're funding signal. So Signal was set up
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originally with CIA seed money in order to create a private messaging network that could
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be used by CIA assets and foreign countries for regime change operations and things like
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this. But the CIA has actually removed its funding at this point, and
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so Signal has perhaps got a slightly shaky financial future. But anyway, we
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can talk more about that an extra as well. Now bringing to talk about
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AI regulation, let's look at what the EU announced yesterday, which was the
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adoption of it's new what they described as landmark law called the Artificial Intelligence Act.
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Let's just have a look at what the Internet Market So the Internal Market
28:52
Committees representative is saying about this thanks to Parliament, that's the European Parliament,
28:57
unacceptable AI practice as will be banned in Europe and the rights of workers and
29:02
citizens will be protected. The AI Office will now be set up to support
29:06
companies to start complying with the rules before they enter into force. We ensure
29:11
that human beings and European values are at the very center of AI's development.
29:15
So if you want to know a bit more about this. They have another
29:18
article here on their website which is entitled EUAI Act First Regulation and Artificial Intelligence
29:26
and will They talk about unacceptable risk and they talk about one unacceptable risk which
29:32
is absolutely banned under this Act as cognitive behavioral manipulation of people or specific vulnerable
29:37
groups. And they give an example, for example, voice activated toys that
29:41
encourage dangerous behavior and children. I'm going to give another example. Will it
29:45
rule out what Spybee did in the UK during COVID, which was to use
29:52
the media to increase a sense of personal threat. This is exactly what the
29:56
EU has apparently banned now with respect AI. But that doesn't stop it happening
30:02
of course. In general, Let's just bring that back on screen and move
30:06
back to the next unacceptable risk social scoring classifying people based on behavior or social
30:11
economic status or personal characteristics. So AI can't do that. So this seems
30:15
to be ruling out the possibility of some kind of social credit system which is
30:19
AI driven. But I would just bring Michael Gove on screen at this point,
30:25
because of course social scoring might be perhaps whether you're identified as being an
30:32
extremist or not. But apparently in the EU AI is going to be prevented
30:37
from doing this, but not in the UK, I would suggest, because
30:40
we don't have any of this kind of regulation. The next unacceptable risk biometric
30:44
identification and categorization of people and real time and remote biometric identification systems such as
30:51
facial recognition. We're running as fast as we can in this country to implement
30:55
this kind of stuff, but the EU has apparently banned it. I will
30:59
believe that when I see it. But that seems to be in the act
31:02
at the moment. But what are we doing here in the UK. So
31:06
let's put that back on screen and have a look at what the Council for
31:10
Science and Technology and also the US equivalent at the Office for the President of
31:15
the United States are up to. They're saying that they've issued yesterday a Joint
31:18
Statement on Science and Technology, and they're saying the world faces complex and in
31:22
connected risks, from climate change to biodiversity lost to aging societies. The COVID
31:27
nineteen pandemic illustrated the complexity of hazards that transcend national borders and the critical role
31:33
of science to technology and identifying, preparing for, and mitigating global risks.
31:40
They went on to say that the two organizations in this joint statement thus met
31:45
on the fourteenth of March twenty twenty four in Washington, DC the discuss matters
31:48
of share interest. We focused on the role of science and technology and responding
31:52
to global challenges and the potential for the UK and USA the deep in cooperation
31:56
round emergency technologies such as art official intelligence. And they also said that they
32:04
recognize other topics of importance to the bilateral UKUS science and technology relationship and identified
32:09
the following areas of mutual interest energy, security and climate change, healthcare,
32:15
synthetic biology, public trust, and engagement with science and technologies. That last
32:21
one is really particularly interesting because again they're really concerned that public are not trusting
32:25
what they're being told with respect to science and technology. But the underlying undercurrent
32:32
of all this is artificial intelligence. So sticking with the UK, then the
32:37
AI agenda is moving on because the EU may be trying to regulate to some
32:44
degree, but in the UK we're not. So we are now using AI
32:47
fraud detection tools with respect to sanctions, So they're looking at eighteen thousand sanctions
32:52
records, including those issued in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and therefore
32:59
they're going to be using AI to look at one thousand World Bank department records
33:04
as well, including entities debarred from World Bank contracts, and they're going to
33:08
use that AI to try to track what's going on there. But the question
33:13
is then what should the UK government be doing with respect to AI. Let's
33:19
have a listen to Ruth Kelly from the National Ordered Office and see what she
33:22
has to say on this. Artificial intelligence could transform public services and government believes
33:30
AI could save taxpayers billions of pounds per year by improving productivity. Our report
33:37
looked at how AI is currently being US in government and what its plans are
33:42
for future AIUS across departments. We surveyed government bodies and we found that while
33:49
AI is not yet widely used, seventy percent of surveyed bodies are piloting or
33:53
planning AIUS. Some examples of where it might be used include a digital images,
34:00
automating routine checks, and summarizing text. If government is to realize the
34:07
benefits of AI, it will not only need to adopt new technology, but
34:12
also change business processes, address data quality, and update aging IT systems.
34:19
It's also crucial that government tackles skills gaps and the risks of unreliable or inaccurate
34:24
outputs from AI. We're recommending the government's overall program for AI adoption is ambitious
34:32
and that it supports this program with a realistic plan to tackle barriers to AIS
34:37
use. So they're aiming for an ambitious use of AI within government. And
34:43
you'll notice there that she mentioned specifically analyzing digital images with those official recognition images.
34:49
She didn't specify. We'll keep an eye on this. We'll talk a
34:52
lot more about this in Extra. Okay, let's move on. If you
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UK. Debbie, your new blog is up, yes, and that actually
35:25
tandems in very nicely with the last segment that you did. Actually mic on
35:30
AI because our hospital is going to be automated in the future. Where we
35:34
see the presence of human beings in hospitals, maybe not a little bit about
35:37
parrot fever. NHS staff are now blaming us the public for discrimination. And
35:44
also if you do happen to be a shopper at the North Face in you
35:47
want twenty percent discount, you'll now have to take an ethnic and diversity course
35:52
before you're allowed the discount to your shopping and more. Okay, thank you,
35:57
Debbie, and just final thank you to everybody that's signed up for the
36:00
Climate Science masterclass with David Siegel. You can find out more about that at
36:04
climate course dot uk com or but anybody that has already got a ticket for
36:07
that, he will be in touch today or tomorrow with more details. As
36:12
I say, we're opening a second time slot, so Tuesday seven pm as
36:16
planned. It's the first time slot. They'll also be a Thursday timeslot as
36:21
well, but you'll hear from in the next couple of days. If you
36:23
don't hear from him in the next couple of days and you've organized to join
36:27
us for this, please contact us because I think there's at least one person
36:30
whose email address binds so we do. If you did sign up for that,
36:36
please do get in touch if you don't hear anything from us in the
36:39
next day or so. Okay, Debbie, back to you and Life Sciences.
36:45
Life Sciences, Yes, indeed, and we're going to be talking about
36:49
Professor Sir John Bell, who's the Regius Professor of Medicine, University of Oxford,
36:54
and he is the architect and the champion, if you like, of
36:58
the UK Life Sciences program. So here we've got the Life Sciences Industrial Strategy
37:02
Update just to show you that he was the he's the architect and he wrote
37:07
the forward. However, he's stepping down from his role in Oxford now and
37:14
Oxford University announced it just recently in February. Regi's Professor of Medicine, Sir
37:20
John Bell to step down from Oxford role and then they went on to very
37:23
proudly tell you about his achievements. Well, I'd like to tell you a
37:27
little bit more about Sir John Bell's achievements because I've they haven't quite put everything
37:34
in, So let me tell you that Sir John is seventy one. He's
37:37
Canadian, he has Canadian and British citizenship. He was born in Canada.
37:43
He studied medicine on the back of a Rhodes scholarship. He went to Mordland
37:47
College, Oxford. And then here's some of the names that he's been involved
37:52
with and just to give you a flavor of who he is. So we're
37:54
talking about the Institute of Molecular Medicine, we're talking about the Welcome Trust.
38:00
He founded the Welcome Trust Center for Genetics. He's the non executive director of
38:06
Roach Roach Pharmaceuticals. He served on the scientific Advisory board at AstraZeneca. He's
38:13
a trustee now of the Roads Trust. He's also a member of Cancer Research
38:17
UK. He's head of Genomics England. He's a member of the Jena Institute,
38:22
and he attended the two thirteen Builderberg So you're getting a bit of a
38:28
flavor of how important in the life sciences agenda Sir John bell is. But
38:34
recently he's been saying that we could be heading for another pandemic. And this
38:38
article in the Express ex COVID chief makes stark admission about the future. We'll
38:45
definitely get another pandemic. Isn't that reassuring? But the revolving doors keep on
38:52
coming. And if you do, go back to my blog and I always
38:55
try to include as much about these people as I can in my blog,
39:00
so please check up on them. In fifth of March. You can see
39:04
that I've written about him there, and he's had all sorts of involvement,
39:07
the revolving door spins Johnson and Johnson Astra Zeneca. He had to sell seven
39:14
hundred and seventy three pounds of shares in Roach because he was doing a deal
39:19
with the governments on testing. So I mean, you know, the revolving
39:22
door is absolutely immense. But he was appearing at the Select Committee and I've
39:28
just got some short clips because sir John Bell isn't backward in coming forward.
39:32
So he was talking about the moderna deal about vaccines. Let's see what he
39:37
said. So I think, because to be honest, we were we did
39:45
really well with vaccines in this pandemic. We had two types of vaccines.
39:49
We have the viral vectors, we had the m RNA vector vaccines and they
39:54
worked remarkably well taking the edge off this severe to the disease. And you
40:01
will remember because I think we probably talked about it, certainly Greg and I
40:05
had talked about it, and that is it was always our intention to stop
40:08
people dying face down in intensive carriers, which was horrible. And I think
40:15
we did that and by the spring of twenty twenty one we'd fix that problem
40:22
with the vaccines, which was great. But the truth is there's a lot
40:24
about the vaccines we don't know, and we still don't know, and as
40:29
time goes on, we're kind of getting a better sense. So they don't
40:30
really stop transmission of the virus. They're not very durable. The mRNA vaccines
40:36
durability what five six months? You know, these are not great vaccines,
40:40
so we need good vaccines for that and other respiratory pathtens. But everybody sort
40:45
of said, oh, well, we fixed that, and we've sort of
40:46
walked away. And first of all, you know, I think the Maderna
40:52
deal is an interesting deal. I chair their advisory group, so I'm quite
40:57
close to them. They're a great company. They've done a good job.
40:59
But that's not the answer. You can't, well, tick, we've now
41:01
done vaccines. Oh my goodness, media, you can't. And what is
41:07
interesting is that the pandemic has spurred a renewed interest in developing new platforms for
41:14
vaccines that could be fantastically powerful, But they don't seem to have any traction
41:20
in the UK. So, for example, there's some beautiful work coming out
41:22
of Pam Bjorkman's lab at Caltech, and that is if you take nanoparticles and
41:29
you put a mosaic of a whole range of different coronaviruses on a single nanoparticle,
41:35
and antibodies can cross link to two different types of coronaviruses or different variants
41:39
of the coronavirus. And what that does is it makes the antibotis that you
41:43
generate not directed at the highly variable bits of the virus, but at the
41:47
conserved bits of spike. So the chances of being able to get a response
41:54
which protects you against a whole range of coronavir not just COVID nineteen, also
42:00
all the other sarbacco viruses, the chance of getting that is quite high.
42:05
So who's doing that in the UK? Well, you know, I don't.
42:07
I don't get it. Actually, there really isn't much going on.
42:10
And even though the SpyCatcher platform which is what they're all using, guess what
42:15
came out of Loxord mark Oworth another So you know, I just I think
42:21
these are all examples of us perhaps losing a plot a bit on what where
42:24
we could get to quite a lot to unpack in that. Perhaps we'll talk
42:31
about that in more more in extra But he was also, as you've just
42:37
seen, warning of a new pandemic. So let's see what he said about
42:42
that. I mean, I bet the house on it. It's definitely going
42:47
to happen, So everybody should just get used to that. The real question
42:52
is what is the likelihood of that happening in the short term. It will
42:57
definitely happen in the medium or long term. And as you know, there
43:00
are many things pushing humans together with a wide range of different species. We're
43:07
doing a lot of things that are very high risk. Climate change is not
43:09
going to help with that because insects are moving all over. So you know,
43:15
some of the better estimates suggest that there's a twenty or thirty percent chance
43:20
of having another pandemic in the next fifteen or twenty years. That's a big
43:23
number. Now, whether it's a really profound pandemic or one that's not so
43:29
bad, I think we have to wait and see. But it seems inconceivable
43:32
to me that we won't have another big event. Sorry, Debbie, I'm
43:37
just trying to I'm trying to keep him fistright here. Insects are moving all
43:40
over yeah, including into our food supply. I mean this guy is off
43:45
his head, yeah, exactly, Which is why it's very important for people
43:50
to watch the select committees, and it's why we try to watch them and
43:53
pick them apart. Because clearly he's lost the plot. He admitted it,
43:58
he's lost the plot. My next clip, what I'm going to say to
44:01
everybody watching is do not adjust your sets, don't reboot what you're watching,
44:07
don't adjust your volume. There is a reason that I'm showing you this next
44:10
clip because I have a lot of questions for Sir John Bell, and when
44:15
he starts talking about the MHRA, my ears prick up. So let's see
44:21
what he said about the MHRA. In many of our inquiries, we've looked
44:29
at the regulatory framework, and of course the flexibility has really enabled the work
44:34
to come forward to get a vaccine into people's arms quickly. What has happened
44:39
since and what does have to happen to ensure that we've got that future preparedness
44:45
in the regulatory framework. Yeah, So again, regulator did a great job.
44:51
There's no question amateur as a standing with good regulator, but as you
44:57
also know that because of the they moved the of the EMA to Europe,
45:01
they regulator has actually lost quite a lot of resource. They shrunk their capacity.
45:07
And one of the things that I'm very worried about is we're now subcritical
45:10
in terms of the number of people we have with bums on seats in the
45:14
regulator. Where you discover stuff, you develop it, you translate it,
45:22
you regulate it, and you put it into people. If you do need
45:44
resource for a regulator to work in this modern world, and they I think
45:49
we do need to look quite hard about whether we are giving them enough resource
45:53
to keep them in the right place. What did he say? What happened?
46:00
So thank you to Kenny from our technical team who sent an email and
46:05
said that he was watching we were watching the Health and Social Care Committee and
46:08
it went blank and what was happening? And there was no sound. We'd
46:13
gone to look for the transcript of the meeting, but we couldn't find it.
46:17
And then all of a sudden, after that was sent, the transcript
46:22
appeared. So here's the transcript the Health and Social Care Committee that was held
46:25
on the fourth of March, and the next slide you'll see the highlighted piece
46:30
of what we didn't hear and what we didn't see, And it would appear
46:35
that Sir John has a different idea about the MHRA to the one that I
46:39
have, because what he's saying is that there's a risk that by not funding
46:44
the MHRA and by not giving them the resources that they need, and by
46:47
not putting bums on seats I filling job vacancies, then the MHRA was in
46:54
a very dangerous place and we need to keep them in the right place.
46:58
But I heard at the MHRA board meeting that they had four million pounds surplus
47:04
and also that they had no job vacancies, all their jobs were filled,
47:07
and everything in the MHRA department was fine and rosy. So I've got a
47:13
lot of questions, and especially for Sir John Bell. Perhaps he's not being
47:15
informed properly. I don't know. Well, maybe he's not being informed properly.
47:20
Maybe he's not being informed probably by the MHR. Maybe the question she
47:23
good to them as well, So thank you Debbie for that. But the
47:28
question is, we began the program talking about extremism and the alleged potential for
47:34
damaging our democracy in very commerce Ben, there's a bit more going on.
47:38
Perhaps there's a lot more going on, isn't there. Yeah, I think
47:44
that one of the most important words is innovation, the introduction of new things.
47:50
Everyone's talking about innovation, Sir John Bell was talking about innovation in pharmaceuticals.
47:54
We're seeing it in technology, We're seeing it in ideologies. The best
48:00
examples I've come across recently is the open source Deer platform from Ukraine. So
48:07
Deer, I think I'm saying that correctly. It's a digital government platform who's
48:10
launched in twenty twenty. It allows Ukrainian citizens to access state services, so
48:15
things like driving, licensed, passport have all been digitized. But it's also
48:21
integrated into the war effort as well, so you can report enemy movements,
48:24
you can report damage to buildings. And this is all no doubt linked into
48:29
the AI systems being run by palenteer On behalf of the Ukrainian government, and
48:34
they've now out open sourced it. So Mikhailo Federov, the Minister of Digital
48:38
Transformation, made this statement. From now on, Deer is an open source
48:43
product. Governments interested in Ukrainian digital transformation experience, I'm more than welcome to
48:47
study, improve and implement thea's code. Big step for our team. In
48:52
Ukrainian tech community, IT professionals will be able to create something similar to Deer
48:57
or with the same core logic as Deer. Then went on to say open
49:00
source is one of the world's top practices. For example, European COVID nineteen
49:05
certificates, European Digital Identity Wallet, Linux Android my SQL companies also work as
49:10
open source products. I hope the Ukrainian digital experience will help other governments to
49:15
build their own states in a smartphone. Here opens for the world. Right,
49:20
So they've basically taken this code base that they developed, and he's right.
49:24
Open source is a good way of approaching things. A lot of the
49:29
leaders and technology take this approach. But the question is where is this code
49:34
coming from and what is it supposed to do. So this is the Ukrainian
49:37
government in a smartphone. Right, they've made this available to all international governments.
49:44
If you plan to digitize your government, you're in the process of implementing
49:46
your vision of digital transformation, and you are in search of a great gov
49:51
tech solution, then this might be the one. Right. So they are
49:53
offering this as a service to governments and to it professionals that give them a
49:58
library of assets that the core code base to use and adapt and to change.
50:04
They includes the front end, so the actual application experience that you have
50:08
as a citizen as a user, which if you bring the slide up you
50:13
can see there on the left hand size that's what the driving license looks like.
50:15
But they're also really importantly the back end, the core logic and how
50:21
data moves into and around the system. And if you think about code,
50:25
a really good way of thinking about code is that it is law. Right,
50:30
so technology defines the fundamental processes that underpin our core societal systems in government
50:37
and elsewhere. And what the Ukrainians, who see it right at the center
50:43
of global plans to build back better after the pandemic, with all that money
50:46
from people like black Rock flowing around all of the interests and global governments,
50:52
they are looking to take their code their law, make it available and have
50:55
that distributed as an innovation more broadly across different countries. Right, so you
51:01
can think of this as a trojan horse the way that I see it,
51:05
right, You've got Mikailo feeder of look at me, I made a meme,
51:07
mum checked me out on the Internet doing bits. Look, he's brought
51:12
his gift, the open Source Deer to the Nation States, but inside is
51:16
the nWo. That's absolutely what that is how I see it. So that's
51:22
one example. Let's have another look at a different example, this time here
51:25
in the UK focused on social housing, remote monitoring and the whole Next zero
51:31
agenda. We're really delighted to have been selected to be on the Diatomic project.
51:43
It's given us an opportunity to move into a slightly new direction and develop
51:45
our product for social housing in Birmingham. We're both from Birmingham and it's a
51:51
Birmiam based company, so we're really excited about doing that. The Osmium system
51:54
allows managers and engineers in a wide variety of companies to remotely monitor and control
52:00
their equipment without having to be physically present. I approached my co founder Ulf
52:07
in twenty eighteen. We'd taken on a fleet of wind turbines which needed any
52:10
remote monitoring system, and we created the monitoring and control system that we needed
52:16
and called it Osmium. We decided to take that out into wider industrial settings
52:22
monitoring and controlling automated equipment. One of the main benefits of having the capability
52:27
to monitor energy in real time is cost because, as we all know,
52:30
energy prices went sky high, so everyone has become more conscious about their energy
52:36
use. Birmiham City Council has identified some flats and some houses in East Birmingham
52:42
where residents have kindly agreed to let us come in and evaluate the effectiveness of
52:47
retrofit measures that the council are taking, and we will be monitoring the usage
52:52
before, during and after the retrofit to see how effective it's been. The
52:55
user interface that we have designed has two parts. One is showing the live
53:01
data and the other part is throwing historic data in forms of charts or of
53:07
tables, and you can choose do you want to see what happened today or
53:10
last week or last month, last year. You can see if you have
53:15
used energy in the wrong way at the wrong time. So when we deploy
53:20
osmium for energy monitoring, it's usually in the context of a consumer unit like
53:23
this. We simply insert for each circuit a pulse meter, a contactor and
53:30
the osmium device which communicates with the Internet, so that engineers and managers can
53:36
keep track of energy use and control circuit by circuit when that circuit's on as
53:44
a remote monitoring device. And we talked last week about the Connected Places Catapult
53:49
and the global Digital Control Grid for cities. Well he can see it playing
53:54
out in real times. Is being built currently in the West Midlands under the
53:59
US of the West Midlands Combined Authority, who's Mayor Andy Street we spoke about
54:05
on the show last week. You've also't got Birmingham City Council in there.
54:07
The Connected Place is catapult I talked about last week. It's all about social
54:13
housing connected up to a digital monitoring system and you could see how that would
54:17
play directly into for example, d NHS Virtual Ward initiative that we spoke about
54:22
again last week. Right, So this is the ConTroll infrastructure or this system
54:29
that they're building and it's being pushed out through these innovation accelerators. They're all
54:34
around the country. There's a big push towards this PLEXEL the UK Innovation Lab
54:40
based at the Olympic Park have been talking about this this week. They're actually
54:45
very excited because Flexel CEO Andrew Ruffin, we can flick on. There's a
54:51
little statement here. He's going to be on stage next Wednesday on the twentieth
54:57
the Connected Places Catapult Connected Places. So so he's going to be talking about
55:01
the importance of innovation clusters and he'd know quite a lot about that given that
55:07
he runs an innovation lab for the UK government. He's a really interesting character,
55:14
actually, Ruffian and I'm talking about innovation, and we've talked about there
55:17
and digitized State and these new digital monitoring systems that have been rolled out,
55:22
but that's being enabled by innovation in ideology. Actually, so Andrew Ruffin came
55:30
onto my radar last year as the chairman of My Life, My Say,
55:35
which is the UK youth charity currently indoctrinating the nation's young people into extreme left
55:43
wing political ideologies. Is directly connected to, amongst other organizations, the Tony
55:49
Blair Institute for Global Change obviously NCS, which is chaired by David Cameron Sadik
55:53
Kahn's office as the Mayor of London, but also the Rothchild Family two branches,
56:00
so they've got R and CO Full Generations, which is the the Rothchild
56:04
family based out of Paris. And then also talked to US media who we
56:07
spoke about earlier, who were directly linked to the UK based Rothchild family as
56:12
well. As the US State Department and via Plexel where Andrew Ruffin, as
56:16
we've just spoken about, is gputicative into a number of government departments, including
56:22
the Secret Intelligence Service six. So these are the people, these are the
56:27
organizations, These are the vested interest coordinating and pushing this whole agenda forward.
56:32
I'm trying to reference how they think they're going to do this. We talked
56:37
a lot about democracy and the rule of law and all that kind of thing.
56:40
Extremism earlier on today. Well, MLMs I believe is working night and
56:47
day to derail our democratic process. They ran this event in twenty twenty one
56:52
called the Common Futures Forum. Note the language common futures, common Purpose.
56:57
All this stuff ties together. I've been working with people such as scholar,
57:02
doctor Scholer. I am not going to pretend that I can pronounce his surname.
57:07
You may be well aware of her. She's a Nigerian British media mouthpiece,
57:13
in my view, a racist hate preacher ultimately, and she's an absolute,
57:19
absolute fire brand of a left wing commentator. And she was joined on
57:23
that panel by Al Sharpton, who is essentially the same thing, but from
57:29
a couple of generations. Earlier on from the US. I'm sure you'll be
57:31
familiar with Al Sharpton, and he's actually been in the country over the past
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couple of weeks hanging out with Lord Woolley, who is, amongst other things,
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the principal of Hommelton College, Cambridge. And I think that Ruffan,
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MLMs Plexel, connected Bass Catapult are all conspiring to do some radical and extreme
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and transformational things to the country. Thank you. Ben. So we began
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with extremism, we've ended with extremism. Well, actually we haven't quite ended,
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because there's another example of extremism, Debbie, there is I'm going to
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whizz across the pond to Tennessee the House Health Committee. This is Bill eighteen
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ninety four. Now, if a food source, if a food source has
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a human pharmaceutical, a pharmaceutical product, Debbie, sorry you just Debbie,
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you dropped out there. Just say that again. Just start off with if
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a food source, right, if a food source has a human vaccine in
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it, it should be deemed a pharmaceutical product because of the dangers of underdosage
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and overdosage. Now, I know that sounds crazy. We're talking about human
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vaccines in food. However, Bill eighteen ninety four, which was being put
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forward by Scott Sirpikey in Tennessee, was proposing exactly that, to classify any
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food that contains a vaccine as a drug. Does that sound completely ridiculous?
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Possibly, but let's listen. The basic premise of the bill is, if
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a food source has a human vaccine in it, we would deem that a
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pharmaceutical in Tennessee to make sure that we don't overdose or underdose that food source
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and then compromise the efficacy of the drug. Well, thank you, thank
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you, Miche, thank you any Jermy Clemons, you reckonist, thank you,
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Miss Cherman. I'm can you give me an example of a food that's
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a vaccine? You're right, yes, University of California Riverside has already perfected
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the ability to put human vaccines into our lettuce right now, as also tomatoes
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has the ability to do that. Also for UC Berkeley, and then Big
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Tobacco R. J. Reynolds and stuff afacted the ability to put a human
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vaccine into tobacco products. German clements and is that even legal to do in
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the state of Tennessee, to sell those with a vaccine in them? Urs?
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Well, I'm not arguing at that point. What I'm saying is there
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is no law deeming those that when you go into a grocery store, you
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should know as a consumer this head of lettuce is a head of lettuce.
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The head of lettice right next week could contain a vaccine in it. All
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we're saying is if it does have the vaccine in it, make sure it's
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listed as a pharmaceutical so people can get the proper dosage us. Thank you.
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Well, My question is is right now, can you walk into a
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grocery store and there be a head of lettuce for sale that has a vaccine
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in it? I don't think that's allowed under state law presently. And if
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it is, and you have to list it as a pharmaceutical pharmaceutical, are
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we going to then haves pharmacists with a refrigerated section. I mean, how's
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this going to play out? K Thank you. This is more of a
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consumer protection bill right here, is to make sure that if you're going in
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to buy tomatoes and there's a polio vaccine in there, that you were aware
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of what you're buying has a polio vaccine. The problem you have is if
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it's not treated as a pharmaceutical being the size and difference between you and me.
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How many tomatoes do I have to eat to get the proper dosage versus
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how many tomatoes that you have to eat, and if you eat too many
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do you get a overdose? So w at first glance, this might seem
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like a completely ridiculous assertion or suggestion, but we're already being softened up for
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it. So aside from the mass medication of fluoride and water supply, if
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you remember, a couple of years ago, the UK government announced the mass
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medication of the entire population that eats bread because they've started putting follic acid in
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bread, because follic acid has an impact on pregnant women, so in order
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to instead of taking a supplement, they just eat bread. This is something
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that we've already accepted as a population, folic acid in bread, and so
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it's not a massive step to see that they were already preparing us for this
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type of thing coming down the road. Yeah, and that's the terrifying thing
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I think really in that it's normalizing this that you know we'd fluoride for example.
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Keep tune because next week we're doing a brilliant interview exactly about fluoride.
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And we're medicalizing the water. It's a medication. Nobody's consenting to any of
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this in bread. You don't know how much is in bread or how much
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is in water, So keep tuned for this, but sadly, yeah,
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it's a reality. Yes, Okay, Well, look we've got to end
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it there for today. So I've got to say thank you very much to
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Debbie and Ben for joining me today. Thank you all for joining live.
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