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Sharri | 6 February · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why.
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Speaker 2: On Sky News This is Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 3: Tonight, Dutton calls for an inquiry, claiming the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: wasn't trusted to be briefed on the terror threat of
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Speaker 3: the caravan filled with explosives. I'll speak about this with
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Speaker 3: Sarah Henderson Israeli Prime Minister benjaminette Yah, who says Trump's
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Speaker 3: vision for Gaza is the first good idea he's heard
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Speaker 3: and should be pursued.
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Speaker 2: My thoughts on this in a minute.
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Speaker 3: And Google Dump's diversity hiring targets and yet another sign
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Speaker 3: we're seeing the end of the woke era. Matt Canavan
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Speaker 3: and Caroline Marcus will be here to discuss, Plus will
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Speaker 3: cross Live to London for the latest on the Sam
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Speaker 3: Kerk case. She's now claiming she was treated differently because
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Speaker 3: of her own skin color. And James Willis will join
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Speaker 3: me with the news from Antoinette Latoufe's lawsuit against the ABC.
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Speaker 3: But first tonight, Peter Dutton has demanded iniary into why
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister was kept in the dark about the
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Speaker 3: major terror threat of the caravan of explosives. Albanesi has
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Speaker 3: repeatedly refused to say when he was briefed on this
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Speaker 3: but The Australian reports that the Prime Minister and the
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Speaker 3: Attorney General Mark Dreyfuss were only briefed on the same
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Speaker 3: day the story went public. Now, the caravan contained enough
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Speaker 3: powergel explosives to create a forty meter blast wave. It
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Speaker 3: had the addresses of the Great Synagogue and the Jewish
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Speaker 3: Holocaust Museum inside, and Peter Dutton has said this could
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Speaker 3: have been Australia's largest mass casualty event. Thank god it wasn't.
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Speaker 3: This is a matter of national security. Extra measures needed
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Speaker 3: to be taken to protect the community. Yet the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister only found out about this major terror threat days
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Speaker 3: after it was uncovered, and nine days after Premier Chris
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Speaker 3: Mins was briefed.
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Speaker 2: Darton says there now needs.
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Speaker 3: To be an inquiry into why the Prime Minister didn't
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Speaker 3: know about this matter of critical importance.
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Speaker 4: How can we conceive of a position where the Prime
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Speaker 4: Minister of our country is not aware of a planned
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Speaker 4: mass terrorist attack that could have resulted in a forty
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Speaker 4: meter blast zone and hundreds of people losing their lives.
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Speaker 4: I think they're reasonable questions, not politically based. This is
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Speaker 4: a matter of national security and it can't be repeated.
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Speaker 4: And I'm not aware of any precedent for it before, and.
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Speaker 3: Peter Darton indicated that he'd heard that agencies were concerned
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Speaker 3: that Alban Easy might leak the information that perhaps the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister couldn't be trusted.
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Speaker 4: The New South Wales police have either made a deliberate
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Speaker 4: decision not to advise the Commonwealth so that the Prime
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Speaker 4: Minister wasn't advised because they were worried he was going
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Speaker 4: to leak the information. Beyond that, there's no other reasonable explanation.
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Speaker 3: Now, this is important. This issue is critical to public safety.
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Speaker 3: How can Alban Easy protect us from terror threats if
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Speaker 3: he doesn't know about them yet? The Prime Minister today
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Speaker 3: try to deflect by saying this was all the noise
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Speaker 3: and politics.
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Speaker 5: I find it shocking that the Prime Minister of this
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Speaker 5: country wasn't alerted to an explosive Bladen caravan targeting Jewish sites,
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Speaker 5: a threat with the potential to be Australia's largest terror event.
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Speaker 5: You must have been absolutely livid that you weren't notified.
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Speaker 6: Now you're making an incredible assumption there, Carl.
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Speaker 7: You know what is important here. What's important here is.
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Speaker 6: That we don't play politics with national security.
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Speaker 3: It's not playing politics. It's about protecting Australians. He's meant
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Speaker 3: to be the leader and Albaneze he pretend that the
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Speaker 3: focus should be the investigation itself. Well, there can be
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Speaker 3: two things happening at the same time, the actual police
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Speaker 3: investigation and a separate inquiry into why he wasn't told.
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Speaker 2: Would you support something like that or is there anything
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Speaker 2: to see here?
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Speaker 6: So stop the investigations, stop doing the work to track
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Speaker 6: down the perpetrators of these crimes, they engage in politics.
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Speaker 7: All right, that's a note.
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Speaker 6: All right, do you think that that is a sensible
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Speaker 6: use of resources?
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Speaker 3: How stupid does he think people are? No one is
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Speaker 3: suggesting the counter terrorism officers investigate why Albanese wasn't told.
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Speaker 3: The suggestion is for a separate bureaucratic inquiry and it
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Speaker 3: wouldn't take long. But you could see the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: was getting agitated the more questions were asked in that interview.
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Speaker 3: He didn't like that line of questioning. Now, the call
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Speaker 3: for an inquiry first arose here last night when I
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Speaker 3: put it to Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson. If
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Speaker 3: it would have been executed a terror attack that would
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Speaker 3: have had a forty meter blast wave and yet the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister didn't know about it. There almost should be
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Speaker 3: an inquiry into what has gone on here because this
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Speaker 3: is a major failure of national security. It's a major
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Speaker 3: failure to protect Australian citizens.
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Speaker 2: Do you think there should be an inquiry?
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Speaker 8: I strongly support an independent inquiry by an eminent national
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Speaker 8: security expert to get to the bottom of why the
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Speaker 8: Prime Mister didn't know, or when he did know, and
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Speaker 8: what he did about it.
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Speaker 3: And then this afternoon we saw the Australian Federal Police
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Speaker 3: cover up on Albanese's behalf and repeat the same spin
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Speaker 3: that it's an operational matter when they were asked when
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Speaker 3: he was told.
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Speaker 2: Now, the idea that it's.
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Speaker 3: An operational matter is of course utter non since or
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Speaker 3: Chris Mins wouldn't have been told, he wouldn't have felt
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Speaker 3: comfortable saying the date that he was briefed, he had
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Speaker 3: no problems saying that. But the reality is that alban Easy,
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister, doesn't seem interested in national security at all.
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Speaker 2: If he was, he would have been.
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Speaker 3: Having regular National Security Committee of Cabinet meetings on the
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Speaker 3: anti Semitism crisis. He would have been getting daily briefings
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Speaker 3: from the heads of AFP and ASIO on this issue
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Speaker 3: that hasn't been happening.
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Speaker 2: Alban Easy just isn't interested. He doesn't think it's a
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Speaker 2: big deal.
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Speaker 3: And if Dunnan's information is right, well, it would be
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Speaker 3: highly concerning that the Prime Minister's own agencies don't trust
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Speaker 3: him enough to divulge top secret intelligence. Now, over the
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Speaker 3: past twenty four hours, we've seen the media, politicians and
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Speaker 3: commentators in meltdown over Donald Trump's idea to take over Gaza,
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Speaker 3: and it's been fun to watch have a look at
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Speaker 3: some of it.
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Speaker 9: When when one thought of the sort of catastrophic iterations
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Speaker 9: of Trump two point zero, this is the kind of
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Speaker 9: stuff that people imagined.
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Speaker 10: Donald Trump is articulating America's foreign policy here in real
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Speaker 10: time in ways that I don't know to what extent
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Speaker 10: they can they be checked.
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Speaker 9: The coon that he uses is it's a demolition site.
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Speaker 9: That's a real estate development term. It's a it's it's
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Speaker 9: it's the riviera of the Middle East that world people
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Speaker 9: will live there. It's going to create thousands of jobs.
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Speaker 9: You're right, he's speaking about it as a real estate developer.
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Speaker 10: The agency here, right, is the agency of the Palestinean
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Speaker 10: people are they going to be frog marched out of
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Speaker 10: their country by US forces as it's then rebuilt as
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Speaker 10: a as a riviera by presumably US property developers.
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Speaker 3: Frog marched The critics are feeding off misconceptions. They are
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Speaker 3: claiming nick cleansing when Trump is speaking about a humanitarian
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Speaker 3: rebuild is ready. Prime Minister Benjaminette and Yahoo clarified some
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Speaker 3: of the points on this today, saying this wouldn't be
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Speaker 3: America getting involved in foreign fighting, a point I made
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Speaker 3: last night.
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Speaker 2: He also said America wouldn't be paying for it.
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Speaker 11: Have a look, Yeah, well, I don't think he talked
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Speaker 11: about sending you as troops to complete the job of
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Speaker 11: destroying Khamas. That's our commitment. That's our job, and we're
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Speaker 11: absolutely committed to it. And I also don't think he
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Speaker 11: said that he's going to fund it. He said that
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Speaker 11: neighboring states, wealthy states would do it. But the actual
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Speaker 11: idea of allowing for his Ghuzins who wanted to leave
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Speaker 11: to leave, I mean, what's wrong with that? They can leave,
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Speaker 11: they can then come back, they can relocate and come back,
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Speaker 11: but you have to rebuild.
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Speaker 2: Ghaziv and Nata.
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Speaker 3: Yahoo also said that he'll work through Trump's proposal, but
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Speaker 3: overall he endorsed it as a good idea.
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Speaker 11: This is the first good idea that I've heard. It's
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Speaker 11: a remarkable idea, and I think it should be a
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Speaker 11: really pursued, examined, pursued and done because I think it
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Speaker 11: will create a different future for everyone.
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Speaker 3: And that end line, there'll create a different future for everyone,
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Speaker 3: and there does need to be a different future for everyone.
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Speaker 3: Why should Israelis have to live next to terrorists who
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Speaker 3: have vowed to commit October seven over and over again.
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Speaker 3: Why should any family, Jewish or Arab Muslim have to
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Speaker 3: live next to the terror threat? Because this isn't just
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Speaker 3: about Jews. Muslim and Thai hostages were taken on October
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Speaker 3: seven and were slaughtered as well in the devastating massacre
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Speaker 3: that took place on that dark day. In reality, this
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Speaker 3: isn't about building a Trump Tower on the Gaza Strip,
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Speaker 3: although that would be an improvement from underground Hamas tunnels.
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Speaker 3: This is about encouraging the Arab nations to step up
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Speaker 3: and be part of rebuilding Gaza free from Hamas. It's
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Speaker 3: a brighter vision than anyone else has dreamt up for
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Speaker 3: the Gaza strips so far.
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Speaker 5: Today was one of the great days that we should
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Speaker 5: We will look back in decades to come and go
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Speaker 5: what this was one of the most amazing days in history.
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Speaker 7: I was thrilled.
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Speaker 5: Unlike the other people you spoke to, whoever they were,
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Speaker 5: Andrew I was absolutely swinging from the chandelier and cracking
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Speaker 5: the bubbly.
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Speaker 2: And saying, this is just an amazing day.
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Speaker 1: Coastal resorts and condominiums have been away to wealth and
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Speaker 1: good jobs for lots of third world countries. If Gaza
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Speaker 1: had a leadership that was concerned with the welfare of
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Speaker 1: its own people, it would be trying to do this
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Speaker 1: itself in cooperation with Israel, instead of waging these insane
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Speaker 1: Islamist wars all the time against Israel, and.
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Speaker 3: Instead of taking the billions of dollars in international aids
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Speaker 3: it has been given over the years and spending it
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Speaker 3: on terroraced infrastructure like tunnels and weapons now. Peter Dutton
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Speaker 3: today also praised Trump's vision.
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Speaker 4: He's a big thinker and a deal maker. He's not
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Speaker 4: become the President of the United States for a second
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Speaker 4: time by being anything other than shrewd. People who dismissed
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Speaker 4: President Trump and say that he's not serious or whatever
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Speaker 4: derogatory comments they want to make. I just think it
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Speaker 4: defies the reality of the gravitac that he brings to
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Speaker 4: the situation.
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Speaker 3: Director of Strategic Analysis Australia, Peter Jennings writes in The
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Speaker 3: Australian Today that Trump should be admired for wanting to
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Speaker 3: break the cycle of history. And he writes, and I'm
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Speaker 3: quoting here, the idea of turning the Strip into the
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Speaker 3: riviera of the Middle East is an ethmtter everything the
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Speaker 3: terror group stands for, including the idea that Garzans might
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Speaker 3: be released from the living hell of harmask control by
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Speaker 3: being allowed to pick up their lives in a different location.
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Speaker 3: But perhaps that's what's behind all of this criticism and concern.
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Speaker 3: Trump has a vision that just could work with the
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Speaker 3: involvement of the Arab nations. But perhaps the international community,
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Speaker 3: like the United Nations, doesn't want to lift Palestinians out
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Speaker 3: of the endless cycle of poverty, victimhood and misery. And
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Speaker 3: for more on that, Peter Jennings himself joins me, Now,
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Speaker 3: thank you very much for your time. Well, let's pick
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Speaker 3: up on that last point. Why do you think that
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Speaker 3: Hamas and the international community perhaps doesn't want Gaza to
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Speaker 3: be modernized, perhaps wants to keep Palestinians suffering.
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Speaker 8: I think it's used as a way of attacking Israel, frankly,
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Speaker 8: and it keeps alive and ideology which is never going
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Speaker 8: to work. From the river to the sea mentality show
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Speaker 8: that the Palestinian homeland is only going to be created
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Speaker 8: when Israel has wiped off the face of the map
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Speaker 8: and all the Jews are killed, and that's simply not
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Speaker 8: going to happen. And the price that Palestinians pay for
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Speaker 8: that ideology is that they and their children and their
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Speaker 8: grandchildren are sort of locked permanently into this concept of
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Speaker 8: being a refugee, never moving anywhere, only able to be
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Speaker 8: pawns in a game which is being played by the
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Speaker 8: United Nations, hamas, terrorist groups, ran and the sort of
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Speaker 8: ideological left in the democracies, which has more fun doing
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Speaker 8: that to attack Israel than they really are concerned about
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Speaker 8: the lives of Palestinians.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because we've seen they don't express the same concern
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Speaker 3: over the lives of people who are killed in other
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Speaker 3: parts of the world. There's silence, there's not protests on
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Speaker 3: the streets. We've seen that over and over again, Peter,
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you about what would motivate maybe
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Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia or the Sunni Arab world to come on
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Speaker 3: board here with Trump's vision, And is this partly because
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Speaker 3: the greater enemy now is Iran.
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Speaker 8: So something that wasn't noticed too much Shari and reporting
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Speaker 8: Trump's comments about Gaza was that only the day before
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Speaker 8: he signed a presidential directive into law saying that America
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Speaker 8: was not going to accept Iran getting nuclear weapons. And
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Speaker 8: there's a lot more detail to that, but really the
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Speaker 8: effect of that direction is to significantly constrain Iran's ambitions
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Speaker 8: as the prime funder, for example, of terrorism and anti
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Speaker 8: Israel behavior in the Middle East. Now, I think that
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Speaker 8: you've got to see that directive and Trump's comments on
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Speaker 8: Gaza together. The thing that might motivate Saudi Jordan, Egypt, Syria,
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Speaker 8: a number of other Middle Eastern countries to at least
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Speaker 8: entertain a new discussion about what to do about the
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Speaker 8: Palestinians is if they can feel confident that Irana is
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Speaker 8: not going to become a nuclear power and dominate the region.
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Speaker 8: So it's the combination of those two things which I
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Speaker 8: think is the really interesting factor here, And While everyone's
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Speaker 8: criticizing Trump in all sorts of hystorical ways. Really what
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Speaker 8: he's done is has just opened up a new conversation
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Speaker 8: we can now work out. Well, maybe there's a way
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Speaker 8: forward that's better than just rinse and repeat, you know,
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Speaker 8: continuing the same cycle which has only led to violence
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Speaker 8: five attacks against Israel in twenty years. That cycle has
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Speaker 8: to be broken. So I think we should be welcoming,
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Speaker 8: you know, highly unusual, but as always, that's what you
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Speaker 8: get with Trump. At least it's a new way of
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Speaker 8: trying to discuss a problem.
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Speaker 3: At least it's wanting to end the status quo, because
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Speaker 3: you know, from the Alban Easy government, all we was ceasefire, ceasefire, ceasefire.
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Speaker 3: I mean if Nadanya, who had listened to that, and
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Speaker 3: of course he never would have, the Hamas leader would
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Speaker 3: still be alive, the Hesbala leader would still be alive.
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Speaker 3: Israel would be in a much weakened state. Peter, I
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Speaker 3: want to pick up on something else you wrote in
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Speaker 3: your piece, which I thought was really fascinating and exposes
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Speaker 3: actually the danger underneath this idea. You write how Palestinians
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Speaker 3: are burdened by an ideology that and This is driven
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Speaker 3: by people outside who will never live in Gaza, that
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Speaker 3: their children and grandchildren will forever be refugees, and that
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Speaker 3: displacing Jews in Israel is the only solution to their
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Speaker 3: plight river to the sea. So this is actually a
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Speaker 3: one state solution, really, isn't it.
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Speaker 8: Yes, so one state solution, and it's going to be
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Speaker 8: the Hamas state. That's the ideology again. Another reason why
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Speaker 8: I think the Albanesi government's position is intellectually bankrupt on
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Speaker 8: the Gaza issue is that there is no Palestinian authority
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Speaker 8: entity which is actually interested in negotiating a two state
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Speaker 8: solution with Israel right now. There have been a number
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Speaker 8: of occasions when Israel would have been more than prepared
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Speaker 8: to have that discussion, including by the way, when they
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Speaker 8: handed Gaza over to the Palestinians some twenty years ago,
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Speaker 8: and that simply hasn't happened. And one has to ask,
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Speaker 8: you know, why is it that, uniquely in the world,
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Speaker 8: the Palestinians must be condemned to always be refugees when
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Speaker 8: you know, the whole post war experience, including most obviously
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Speaker 8: with Jews Shari, was that refugees moved to New Homeland
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Speaker 8: and settled there. So you know, I'm not saying that
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Speaker 8: means to say that Gaza and the West Bank Khana
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Speaker 8: in some way become part of a new Palestinian homeland.
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Speaker 8: But maybe that's not enough. Maybe we need to think
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Speaker 8: about other options that add land to that from Middle
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Speaker 8: Eastern countries. That's partly what President Trump was talking about.
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Speaker 8: And we break this idea that generations of people are
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Speaker 8: condemned to be called refugees because the UN and other
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Speaker 8: agencies insists that that's what they should be.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, more further evidence why the United Nations is broken.
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Speaker 3: Peter Jennings, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 8: Thanks.
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Speaker 3: Okay, let's bring in our national Senator Matt Canavan and
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Speaker 3: Sky New senior reporter Caroline Marcus.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 3: Look, I want to turn to this quite big news
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Speaker 3: today that Google has abandoned its diversity hiring quotas and requirements,
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Speaker 3: as of course, follows President Trump's move to defund DEI programs.
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Speaker 3: Now Back in twenty twenty, Google wanted to increase the
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Speaker 3: number of diversity hires by thirty percent. They called it
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Speaker 3: an aspirational hiring goal. Well, that goal is now over.
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Speaker 3: In an email to all staff the Google chief executive,
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Speaker 3: so that they're now committed to hiring the best people
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Speaker 3: wherever we operate, create an environment where everyone can thrive
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Speaker 3: and be treated fairly.
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Speaker 2: Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this shouldn't be revolutionary, but it is, isn't it.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, Look, it's amazing, isn't it, Shari, that something as
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Speaker 12: simple as effectively a paraphrasing of Martin Luther King's junior's
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Speaker 12: famous words is sort of revolutionary and radical. You know,
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Speaker 12: I thought we got there and we all did believe
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Speaker 12: that people should be judged by their character, not the
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Speaker 12: color of their skin, or the vast majority of people did,
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Speaker 12: and then we've gone through this weird period which culminated
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Speaker 12: in the Black Lives Matter movement and kneeling before everybody
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Speaker 12: where it became again almost like pre Civil War days,
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Speaker 12: that you were judged by your bloodline, effectively how much
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Speaker 12: of particular content you had in your ancestry and history.
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Speaker 12: So look, hopefully we can consign this period to the
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Speaker 12: dust bin of history. Unfortunately, I think the dregs of
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Speaker 12: it are still with us here in this country. We
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Speaker 12: still have something called the Gender Equality Agency, which requires
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Speaker 12: almost every business in this country to fill out forms
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Speaker 12: and forms and forms, and we just got to get
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Speaker 12: rid of all this form filling in our country. Focus
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Speaker 12: on what matters again, focus on doing a good job
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Speaker 12: as business people or whatever we do in our lives.
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Speaker 12: And yeah, get back to judging people on merit. Merit
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Speaker 12: should be the yardstick.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and it is DEI is alive and well in
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Speaker 3: Camber and all of the Canberra departments, Caroline.
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Speaker 2: But it's not just Google.
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Speaker 3: Amazon as well dump their diversity targets back in December.
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Speaker 3: So it does seem to be a movement hasn't quite
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Speaker 3: hit Australia yet.
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Speaker 2: I agree with Matt.
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Speaker 13: No, it will take a while to trickle down. And
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Speaker 13: while we have a labor government in charge, I dare
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Speaker 13: say it's probably not going to happen because they've fully
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Speaker 13: signed up.
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Speaker 2: To this sort of stuff.
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Speaker 13: But I do see this as the beginning of the
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Speaker 13: end of woke. And the fact is that if the
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Speaker 13: tech giants who were so against Trump for so long
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Speaker 13: during his first presidency, during the Biden administration, you know,
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Speaker 13: censoring stories about Biden's sons laptop, and they were fully
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Speaker 13: on board with that kind of stuff. If that even
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Speaker 13: they have come to the Party in support of Trump.
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Speaker 13: You know, big things are changing, but we've seen, look,
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Speaker 13: we've seen this crazy diversity inclusion stuff takeover almost every
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Speaker 13: sector of life, from even our public broadcaster. We heard
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Speaker 13: in court today during Antoinette Latouf's case that she was
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Speaker 13: hired as part of the ABC's diversity policy because she
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Speaker 13: was identified as a future presenter due to her Lebanese
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Speaker 13: Christian heritage.
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Speaker 2: And look at the headaches.
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Speaker 13: That hire has caused the ABC to hire a pro
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Speaker 13: Palestinian activist just because.
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Speaker 2: She would be a good diversity.
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Speaker 3: High Absolutely, and it's problematic in some fields. I mean
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Speaker 3: we saw with the Los Angeles fires recently, the diversity picks.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there are some.
22:02
Speaker 3: Occupations and look, maybe are a very strong women, and
22:05
Speaker 3: there are very strong women out there, no question I'm
22:08
Speaker 3: not one of them. But you know there are some
22:11
Speaker 3: jobs that you know, some people would just be better
22:14
Speaker 3: suited to it, and you can't force others into those occupants.
22:18
Speaker 13: When I worked for Sunday newspaper, Shoy Quickly, i am
22:21
Speaker 13: the editor, mc carroll asked me to try out for
22:24
Speaker 13: a firefighter job and I failed in every physical category.
22:29
Speaker 13: So even that firefighter you talked about that firefighting chief
22:33
Speaker 13: talking about the fact that if someone challenged her on
22:36
Speaker 13: not being able to carry them out of a house,
22:38
Speaker 13: you would say, well, you were in the wrong place.
22:40
Speaker 13: I mean, that's that's the level of.
22:43
Speaker 3: Our the excellence that we're striving to war Jockey all right, Well,
22:47
Speaker 3: the Minerals Council and the energy industry are both stepping
22:50
Speaker 3: up a campaign over Chris Bowen's eighty two percent renewable
22:53
Speaker 3: target by.
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Speaker 2: Twenty thirty now.
22:56
Speaker 3: Matt the Minerals Council has described it as this target
23:00
Speaker 3: as a pet project for Chris bowl.
23:02
Speaker 2: And he's not going to meet it anyway.
23:05
Speaker 3: Is unrealistic, isn't it?
23:08
Speaker 7: It is?
23:09
Speaker 12: And look if it was just simply a number and
23:13
Speaker 12: a dream and a vision, and perhaps wouldn't do so
23:15
Speaker 12: much damage. But what this actually does is drive the
23:18
Speaker 12: investments that you're all asked to pay for in our
23:20
Speaker 12: energy system. When the energy plans sit down to work
23:24
Speaker 12: out how much they're going to spend on transmission lines
23:27
Speaker 12: and where they're going to build them, what farms are
23:28
Speaker 12: going to go through, they target this eighty two percent figure.
23:32
Speaker 12: It's like a mythical figure. We're not actually going to
23:34
Speaker 12: get that much wind and solar in the next three
23:37
Speaker 12: years to hit it. But they're going to build these
23:39
Speaker 12: power lines effectively to nowhere in the misguided view that
23:44
Speaker 12: we might hit it. Now. These power lines cost billions
23:48
Speaker 12: upon billions of dollars, and when we build them, you
23:51
Speaker 12: will have to pay a higher can you believe it,
23:53
Speaker 12: even higher electricity bill than you currently do, just to
23:58
Speaker 12: meet this mythical target. As I say, these mission lines
24:00
Speaker 12: almost be certainly going nowhere, not actually carrying any power
24:04
Speaker 12: is absolutely absurd. The government needs to just change this.
24:07
Speaker 12: I need to sack Chris Bowen and start again if
24:09
Speaker 12: they want any hope to convince the strains that they
24:11
Speaker 12: have a serious plan about energy.
24:14
Speaker 3: I used to think he was the most unpopular of
24:16
Speaker 3: all the Albanzi government ministers, but now it would be
24:19
Speaker 3: hard to pick between him and Penny Wog and Albanesi
24:23
Speaker 3: and Tony Burke.
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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, there's too many in there.
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Speaker 3: But seriously, Caroline, you know ministers have not been able
24:30
Speaker 3: to answer genuine questions that are in the public interest
24:34
Speaker 3: around the cost of this target.
24:37
Speaker 13: And how can we trust anything they say When they
24:40
Speaker 13: went to the last election promising a two hundred and
24:43
Speaker 13: fifty dollars two hundred and seventy five dollars reduction and
24:47
Speaker 13: power bills based on the energy policies that they were
24:50
Speaker 13: taking to the election. That certainly hasn't happened. Our energy
24:54
Speaker 13: bills have only gone up. They've been unwilling to even
24:57
Speaker 13: engage in a genuine debate about nuclear, which, once the
25:02
Speaker 13: infrastructure is there, would be cheap, it would be clean.
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Speaker 2: It has been embraced by.
25:08
Speaker 13: So many other countries as the future for secure energy,
25:12
Speaker 13: and instead they've engaged in these juvenile tactics to suggest
25:17
Speaker 13: that it's going to lead to three eyed fish and
25:20
Speaker 13: three headed koalas, like no one's saying that exactly.
25:23
Speaker 2: So they've got their head in their sand about this.
25:25
Speaker 13: They don't want to listen to anyone who might have
25:29
Speaker 13: some genuine, legitimate criticism.
25:32
Speaker 2: For them, and I think it will.
25:34
Speaker 13: It will ultimately will cost all of us in the end,
25:36
Speaker 13: but it will cost them too.
25:38
Speaker 3: As we were sitting here last night, Tony Burke introduced
25:42
Speaker 3: new legislation on mandatory minimum sentences for terror offenses and
25:48
Speaker 3: also hate speech and anti Semitic offenses. Matt Canavan this
25:53
Speaker 3: was originally Peter Dutton's idea and James Patterson's idea. The
25:57
Speaker 3: government spent two weeks opposing it and then they suddenly
26:02
Speaker 3: introduced legislation. The Coalition has supported it and it got
26:06
Speaker 3: through today. You don't always agree with your party, what's
26:10
Speaker 3: your view on this?
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Speaker 12: Sometimes I don't, that's true sharing. Look, Look, it was
26:16
Speaker 12: a bit of a disappointing day again the Senate that
26:18
Speaker 12: we rushed such important legislation through. It got about an hour,
26:22
Speaker 12: just over an hour of debate. And you know, I
26:24
Speaker 12: support the managery minimum sentences, but it's a pretty serious
26:27
Speaker 12: issue and we maybe should have a debate more broadly
26:31
Speaker 12: about what other parts of the criminal coach should have
26:33
Speaker 12: managery minimum sentencing. But yeah, it was guillotine through a
26:37
Speaker 12: gag through, rushed through. I did disagree with my party
26:41
Speaker 12: about that. But look, ultimately support these strength and laws
26:45
Speaker 12: and look, hopefully work in effect. I did also have
26:48
Speaker 12: an issue. I tried to move it amendment to say, look,
26:50
Speaker 12: anything inside citing to violence should only be a crimeer
26:53
Speaker 12: in sites physical harm or force or violence. I am
26:57
Speaker 12: concerned in the future that courts may reinterpret this to
26:59
Speaker 12: me feelings effectively psychological harm, because a lot of people
27:02
Speaker 12: out there do argue that speech is violence, and I
27:04
Speaker 12: wouldn't want to have always going down that path.
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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, no one would.
27:08
Speaker 3: But I think if it's clear cut as a death threat, well,
27:12
Speaker 3: if there's a death threat, then you know, no one should.
27:15
Speaker 3: That's not free speech, that's hate speech. It's pretty simple, Caroline.
27:19
Speaker 3: You covered a fascinating case in Cot today where well
27:23
Speaker 3: why don't you tell us about that?
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Speaker 2: Well, this is.
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Speaker 13: A case of Yasmin Mansor. She is a twenty two
27:29
Speaker 13: year old woman who, shortly after October seven, and.
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Speaker 2: It's taken this long to work its way.
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Speaker 13: Through the courts, had sent a message to a Jewish school,
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Speaker 13: which we've chosen lot to identify, and I mean the
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Speaker 13: very disturbing messages, which include saying that she wants the children,
27:49
Speaker 13: the Jewish school children to get cancer and die a slow,
27:53
Speaker 13: painful death, calling them the children of Satan, and ending
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Speaker 13: her message with praise Hitler only he was here to
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Speaker 13: continue the mass destruction of your bloodline.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it was a very long message. These are
28:07
Speaker 2: just some excerpts from it.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 13: She was charged with using a carriage service to menace,
28:14
Speaker 13: harass or offender, and she actually pleaded not guilty to
28:17
Speaker 13: that despite admitting that she sent the message, she had
28:20
Speaker 13: a number of excuses. She was concerned about the Palestinian
28:24
Speaker 13: cause and about her what she interpreted as a genocide,
28:29
Speaker 13: even though this happened before the full scale ground evasion
28:31
Speaker 13: of Gaza. She also said she was told the Texas she.
28:35
Speaker 2: Was just having a laugh with her friend.
28:37
Speaker 13: Now, what I found ultimately disappointing was that the magistrate,
28:42
Speaker 13: Miranda Moody, she gave a Yasmin.
28:45
Speaker 2: Mansill a real serve in court.
28:47
Speaker 13: She spoke about how vulnerable the Jewish community is, that
28:51
Speaker 13: even a twenty one year old, which Miss Mansell was
28:54
Speaker 13: at the time of the offense, would know that you
28:56
Speaker 13: can't raise Hitler, that you can't say these things about children,
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Speaker 13: and how deeply offensive it is. And to try and
29:02
Speaker 13: get off on some kind of legal technicality, which is
29:05
Speaker 13: what her lawyer was trying to do, just wasn't going
29:08
Speaker 13: to fly with her.
29:09
Speaker 2: She gave it to her both barrels.
29:10
Speaker 13: She wouldn't even hear ms Mansur speak about remorse she
29:14
Speaker 13: was feeling because having pled not guilty, clearly she's not
29:18
Speaker 13: very remorseful, the magistrate said. But ultimately she turned around
29:22
Speaker 13: and said, I won't record a conviction because of your
29:25
Speaker 13: youth and the fact you have no prior record.
29:27
Speaker 2: And that's the problem, Karl.
29:30
Speaker 3: Police go to the enormous effort and resources, and I've
29:33
Speaker 3: had police complain to me about this. I've spoken to
29:35
Speaker 3: them about this. The enormous resources, the poor police. They
29:39
Speaker 3: go and chart investigate, find the people, charge the people,
29:43
Speaker 3: and then the magistrates just let them off.
29:46
Speaker 13: And this sounded like this magistrate was really disinclined to
29:50
Speaker 13: record no conviction. She said that she did it reluctantly.
29:53
Speaker 13: But the way that the court system is set up
29:55
Speaker 13: and the precedents that they have is that if someone
29:58
Speaker 13: doesn't have a criminal record, if they're young, these things
30:01
Speaker 13: work in their favor and they give them the benefit
30:03
Speaker 13: of the doubt. Unfortunately, as we've seen with recent hate
30:08
Speaker 13: attacks and one of this kind of speech can culminate
30:11
Speaker 13: and you know, the victims, the properties that are being burned,
30:14
Speaker 13: the schools, the daycads that are being burned, these people
30:17
Speaker 13: don't get the benefit of the doubt and being protected
30:19
Speaker 13: from these kinds.
30:20
Speaker 3: And know, we need tough policing, no question, not only
30:24
Speaker 3: you know, as a punishment, but as a deterrent as well.
30:26
Speaker 3: Matt Canavan, I'm sure you'd agree with that. Tough policing
30:29
Speaker 3: as a deterrent.
30:33
Speaker 12: And look, I'm always I'm always a little reluctant to
30:36
Speaker 12: comment on individual cases that I haven't gone through in
30:39
Speaker 12: the detail that Carolyn Carolyn has, But i mean, the
30:43
Speaker 12: one thing that struck me there, if this individual hadn't
30:47
Speaker 12: pleaded not guilty, it's hard to know how she could
30:50
Speaker 12: be found to have some remorse. I mean, you know, look,
30:52
Speaker 12: I don't know how. I don't even know how young
30:54
Speaker 12: she is, Sharry so, but it's shocking messages and that's
30:58
Speaker 12: why we do need a stricter in here to make
31:01
Speaker 12: sure this everyone knows is not acceptable in our country.
31:03
Speaker 3: Indeed, all right, Matt Canavan, Carol and Marcus, thank you
31:05
Speaker 3: both so much.
31:07
Speaker 2: Now still to come.
31:08
Speaker 3: Dutton steps up pressure on alban Easy, demanding an inquiry.
31:11
Speaker 3: I'll discuss this with Sarah Henderson and ABC boss David
31:15
Speaker 3: Anderson admits it wasn't hard for him to find Antoinette
31:19
Speaker 3: Latouf's controversial social media history, So why was she hired
31:24
Speaker 3: in the first place. I'll talk about that after this
31:27
Speaker 3: quick break.
31:32
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
31:32
Speaker 3: Well, let's turn now to the court case between the
31:35
Speaker 3: ABC and pro Palestinian activist Antoinette Latouf.
31:39
Speaker 7: Well.
31:39
Speaker 3: Today, the ABC Managing director David Anderson told the court
31:43
Speaker 3: that he believed Latouf's social media feed contained content that
31:48
Speaker 3: added up to anti Semitism. He said that he came
31:52
Speaker 3: to look at miss latooth social media by way of
31:54
Speaker 3: just searching her.
31:55
Speaker 2: Name later on the evening of Monday after.
31:58
Speaker 3: Her first shift, and what I saw, oh, and that
32:00
Speaker 3: social media was misleading on the Israel Gaza conflict advocacy
32:04
Speaker 3: for one particular perspective, to which we'd say, obviously, And
32:10
Speaker 3: Jooning min Now is a data telegraphs journalist James Willis, James,
32:13
Speaker 3: why didn't the ABC do its due diligence If it
32:16
Speaker 3: did it were to be in this situation, Well.
32:18
Speaker 7: That's right, Sherriot.
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Speaker 14: And I am no fan of Antoinete Latouf, and I
32:22
Speaker 14: think she's been very provocative for a long period of time.
32:24
Speaker 14: She's had to go at me on social media previously
32:27
Speaker 14: and said a number of provocative comments. She's had to
32:30
Speaker 14: go at other journalists as well, So I am no
32:31
Speaker 14: fan of her, but I think it is crazy that
32:35
Speaker 14: someone at the ABC didn't look at her social media
32:38
Speaker 14: history before appointing her to this really small shift. It
32:42
Speaker 14: was five basically five shifts on air on ABC Radio.
32:46
Speaker 14: Someone didn't look at that, and it took for her
32:48
Speaker 14: to be hired and to be starting on day one.
32:51
Speaker 14: For David Anderson, who's on one million dollars a year
32:54
Speaker 14: and so often is left short and left sort of
32:57
Speaker 14: scrambling to figure out who is actually responsible for this
33:00
Speaker 14: terrible leadership at the ABC bom lying. But the fact
33:04
Speaker 14: that didn't happen and then they had to pull the
33:06
Speaker 14: pin on her appearances.
33:07
Speaker 7: Halfway through is terrible.
33:08
Speaker 14: But I also think I'm amazed the ABC is defending
33:13
Speaker 14: this case and didn't do everything possible to sort this
33:16
Speaker 14: out behind closed doors, for the simple reason that it's
33:19
Speaker 14: so embarrassing to have David Anderson in the.
33:22
Speaker 7: Box for two days in a row.
33:23
Speaker 14: These private emails with either buttros read out, and all
33:26
Speaker 14: these detail about how the sausage is made, which as
33:29
Speaker 14: we know, can be very ugly in cases. The whole
33:31
Speaker 14: thing is a mess, and it just strikes me is
33:33
Speaker 14: once again the ABC leadership being so far.
33:37
Speaker 7: Off the mark.
33:38
Speaker 3: Well, one of those very embarrassing admissions from David Anderson
33:41
Speaker 3: is that ABC journalists I mean, their top journalists like
33:45
Speaker 3: Patricia carve Ellis and Laura Tingle.
33:48
Speaker 2: He's admitted that they can go against the.
33:50
Speaker 3: Rules of impartiality, again something we do know, but that's
33:55
Speaker 3: embarrassing for him to have to admit that because the
33:57
Speaker 3: ABC's charter says the journalists have to be impartial totally.
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Speaker 14: But so often some of the senior journalists at the
34:04
Speaker 14: ABC you find themselves as protected species. I mean, you've
34:07
Speaker 14: had Laura Tingle at a public forum say that Australia
34:10
Speaker 14: is a racist nation. You've had other people using social
34:13
Speaker 14: media for all sorts of provocative statements and going outside
34:16
Speaker 14: that charter. They're always defended by the ABC, and so
34:20
Speaker 14: there is certainly a double standard there. Look, for a
34:22
Speaker 14: long time, there's been a perception that the inmates run
34:24
Speaker 14: the asylum at Ultimo, and that is that the journalists
34:27
Speaker 14: have the most power and the management, and there are some.
34:30
Speaker 7: Very weak leaders at the ABC that.
34:33
Speaker 14: Don't actually acknowledge when they've made mistakes. And on this one,
34:36
Speaker 14: once again, why would you be going through the embarrassment
34:39
Speaker 14: of going through this dCas because they probably.
34:41
Speaker 3: Don't want to have to pay her though, and you
34:43
Speaker 3: know the ABC aren't they weren't in the wrong. You know,
34:47
Speaker 3: it is in their charter journalists have to be objective
34:49
Speaker 3: and impartial. They realized they had a full on pro
34:52
Speaker 3: Palestinian activist as a host.
34:54
Speaker 2: That should never have happened.
34:55
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think so, And I think the fact that
34:58
Speaker 14: she was employed, and David Edison even admitted that he
35:00
Speaker 14: thought it was a weird decision. You've then got the
35:04
Speaker 14: managing director, the one million dollar managing director, going through
35:08
Speaker 14: her social media account and going, hey, I think we've
35:11
Speaker 14: got an Antoineppe problem here. I mean, that just doesn't
35:13
Speaker 14: happen in the real world. So there should have been
35:16
Speaker 14: a number of checks before giving someone like this, even
35:19
Speaker 14: a short term contract, which was always going to end
35:22
Speaker 14: in tears.
35:23
Speaker 7: And again I'm not standing up for her.
35:24
Speaker 14: I think it'll just be an interesting case to determine
35:26
Speaker 14: where these things land. But it's been a really embarrassing day.
35:30
Speaker 14: And so often we hear these stories out of the
35:33
Speaker 14: ABC where the management is just not in control of what.
35:36
Speaker 7: Is going on.
35:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, and of course we don't have time for it now.
35:39
Speaker 3: But you covered the Heston Russell case very closely as
35:42
Speaker 3: I did.
35:42
Speaker 2: There are similarities.
35:44
Speaker 3: But you know the fact that this the hearings in
35:47
Speaker 3: this case in the Federal Court are lasting longer than
35:50
Speaker 3: her original contract. I mean, it's such a fuss and
35:53
Speaker 3: she was paid for the full five days. Why you
35:55
Speaker 3: know this is this is her wanning publicity absolutely totally. Yeah,
36:00
Speaker 3: all right, James Willis, thank you so much, love your wick.
36:03
Speaker 3: All right, let's return now to today's top story in Canbra,
36:06
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's demand for an inquiry into when the Prime
36:09
Speaker 3: Minister was briefed on the caravan terror threat. And joining
36:12
Speaker 3: me now is Shadow Education Minister Sarah Henderson. Sarah, great
36:16
Speaker 3: to see you. Look what answers does the coalition want
36:21
Speaker 3: from an inquiry?
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Speaker 2: We'll Shari terrific to join you.
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Speaker 15: And of course, as we've seen and Australians have seen,
36:30
Speaker 15: continuing weakness of leadership from Prime Minister alber Easy over
36:34
Speaker 15: the anti Semitism crisis in this country. In contrast to
36:38
Speaker 15: the very strong and decisive leadership from Peter Dutton and
36:41
Speaker 15: the Coalition, this Prime Minister has been ducking and weaving.
36:46
Speaker 15: We know the Premier mins was brief back on the
36:48
Speaker 15: twentieth of January. Why won't the Prime Minister say what
36:52
Speaker 15: he knew and when the Inquiry does need to get
36:55
Speaker 15: the bottom of this. It's just not good enough. He's
36:57
Speaker 15: meant to be the leader of our country, Sharry, and
37:01
Speaker 15: so why is he ducking and weaving on an incident
37:05
Speaker 15: that could have been the worst terrorist attack on Australian
37:08
Speaker 15: soil in our history. This was a caravan laden with
37:13
Speaker 15: explosives and the target was a Jewish synagogue. So we
37:17
Speaker 15: also need to know what steps were taken to protect
37:21
Speaker 15: the Jewish community and frankly, are there any other threats
37:25
Speaker 15: that we don't know about?
37:26
Speaker 7: Oh?
37:27
Speaker 2: Exactly. It's a good point.
37:29
Speaker 3: Duttan implied today that one of the reasons the Prime
37:32
Speaker 3: Minister may not have been briefed in on this is
37:34
Speaker 3: that their agencies were concerned he'd leak Sarah.
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Speaker 2: Is there any evidence behind this?
37:43
Speaker 3: Is this something that the coalition is hearing from sources
37:46
Speaker 3: in the agencies?
37:50
Speaker 12: Well?
37:50
Speaker 15: I think this is a very serious concern and perhaps
37:53
Speaker 15: that explains why the Prime Minister has been ducking and weaving.
37:57
Speaker 15: We certainly know that many Australians do not trust Labor
38:00
Speaker 15: and this Prime Minister when it comes to national security
38:03
Speaker 15: and keeping our community safe, and we had to drag
38:07
Speaker 15: Labor kicking and screaming to support our proposal for minimum
38:11
Speaker 15: mandatory sentences for terrorism and of course for displaying Nazi
38:15
Speaker 15: and terrorist organization symbols. That legislation went through the Parliament today,
38:20
Speaker 15: which is a very positive move for this country. But
38:24
Speaker 15: it took Labor two weeks to come to the table.
38:27
Speaker 15: It opposed these tougher laws, and again it's more indication
38:32
Speaker 15: that Labor and this Prime Minister cannot be trusted on
38:35
Speaker 15: national security, on keeping our community safe, and frankly, SHARRII,
38:40
Speaker 15: it's no wonder that I think law enforcement agencies are
38:44
Speaker 15: also looking like they don't trust this Prime minister as well.
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Speaker 3: Sarah, today in the Senate you were very frustrated because
38:52
Speaker 3: the Greens blocked one of your moves. You wanted to
38:57
Speaker 3: pass a bill that would have set up a commission
38:59
Speaker 3: of inquiry into anti Semitism at universities.
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Speaker 2: How frustrating is this?
39:05
Speaker 15: I look just shocking. I would have thought that Labor
39:08
Speaker 15: would have had a change of heart after the fire
39:10
Speaker 15: bombing of a synagogue and a childcare center, after the
39:14
Speaker 15: anti Semitic attacks on schools and homes, and of course
39:18
Speaker 15: after the discovery of the caravan laden with explosives. But
39:22
Speaker 15: no Shari in the Senate this morning, Labor combined with
39:26
Speaker 15: the Greens to block our bid to set up a
39:29
Speaker 15: Commission of Inquiry on anti Semitism at Australian universities. We
39:34
Speaker 15: know that this is a very serious problem. There have
39:37
Speaker 15: been many serious incidents. Again, we saw it ria its
39:40
Speaker 15: ugly head at the Queensland University of Technology just two
39:44
Speaker 15: weeks ago. This is appalling. Labour won't even listen to
39:48
Speaker 15: its own anti Semitism envoy Gillian Segal. It will not
39:52
Speaker 15: listen to every major Jewish organization which wants a full
39:56
Speaker 15: blown commission of inquiry to investigate these incidents and to
40:01
Speaker 15: curtail what is happening on our universities. It's just not
40:05
Speaker 15: good enough and it just shows continuing weakness of leadership
40:09
Speaker 15: by Labor.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, all right, Sarah Henderson, keep on pushing for
40:13
Speaker 3: the inquiry.
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Speaker 2: We desperately need one.
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Speaker 3: We need to remove the rot in university so it's
40:18
Speaker 3: safe for everyone to go. They really appreciate your time
40:22
Speaker 3: now coming up, Sam Kurz Golden Girl image in disarray.
40:25
Speaker 3: Sophie Ellsworth will join me. After another big day in
40:28
Speaker 3: the UK courts and the punishing fires in Victoria and Tasmania.
40:33
Speaker 2: Will does Australia need.
40:35
Speaker 3: To learn the lessons from La we'll talk about that
40:38
Speaker 3: after this quick break.
40:43
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
40:44
Speaker 10: Well.
40:44
Speaker 3: This week, one thousand firefighters have been battling out of
40:47
Speaker 3: control flames in Victoria's Grampians region. There were two separate
40:52
Speaker 3: bush fires before they linked together on Tuesday and nineteen
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Speaker 3: fires are currently burning across Tasmania and hikers have been
41:00
Speaker 3: forced to evacuate the iconic Overland Track. This is a
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Speaker 3: reminder of the ever present threat that bushfires pose here
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Speaker 3: in Australia, and after the devastation in Los Angeles, we
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Speaker 3: need to make sure we're prepared. With joining me now
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Speaker 3: is bushfire safety expert Tim Wainwright. Tim, thank you very
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Speaker 3: much for your time. Look, given we do live in
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Speaker 3: a country that is prone to bushfires, what lessons do
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Speaker 3: we need to learn from Los Angeles.
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Speaker 16: We need to allow residents to clear fire hazards from
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Speaker 16: around their homes. We need to have a better system
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Speaker 16: of fire permits. At the moment, residents are finding it
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Speaker 16: very difficult to get fire permits. Myself included to do
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Speaker 16: backburning correct its actually has a reduction burning. Back burning
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Speaker 16: is the tactical burning of a fireback into a bushfier
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Speaker 16: correctain it has a reduction burning is where you do
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Speaker 16: controlled fires in safer weather conditions to reduce fuels from
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Speaker 16: around homes. That means there's less heat affecting the home,
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Speaker 16: less fuel less fire essentially.
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Speaker 2: And the authorities are blocking people from getting permits.
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Speaker 16: To the actively blocking people from getting permits. I've applied
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Speaker 16: many times for fire permits. Sometimes you get them, sometimes
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Speaker 16: you don't. They make up ridiculous rules and they apply
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Speaker 16: policies to override legislation which shouldn't have one in democracy.
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Speaker 2: This seems like an accident waiting to happen.
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Speaker 16: Sydney is a disaster waiting to happen what happened in
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Speaker 16: Los Angeles. We don't get those types of winds. We
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Speaker 16: do get severe conditions. We were lucky in twenty nineteen
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Speaker 16: twenty twenty that the fires didn't get into Sydney proper.
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Speaker 16: Had they gotten in places like Lindersfield or places around Sydney.
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Speaker 16: But any bushland neighborhood you want to pick absolutely tinderbox
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Speaker 16: waiting to go up. There's hazards that haven't been cleared.
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Speaker 16: People aren't all had to clear them. The authorities tell
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Speaker 16: them take the hazards to the tip. You know, how
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Speaker 16: are you supposed to clear one or two tas a
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Speaker 16: bush land in a trailer, especially if you can't afford
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Speaker 16: to do it, It's impractical. People need to be able
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Speaker 16: to do pole burns as required to clear fire has
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Speaker 16: its from firebreaks. There needs to be more has reduction
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Speaker 16: burning in the bush. The authorities are failing to do
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Speaker 16: this as well. And it's not the Greens. People blame
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Speaker 16: the Greens. It's internal policies of the fire services, both
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Speaker 16: Rural Fire Service and Fire and Rescuing Yourself Wales. They're
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Speaker 16: letting down the public and we're waiting for a disaster
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Speaker 16: to happen.
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Speaker 2: It's terrifying situation.
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Speaker 3: Aside from hazen reduction, what else can if people are
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Speaker 3: living in a potential bush fire zone or near natural
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Speaker 3: forests and bush what can they do to protect their homes?
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Speaker 16: Something called firewise practices like keeping leaves out of your gutters,
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Speaker 16: cutting your tree limbs back, trying to keep your gardens
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Speaker 16: green and short grass watered lush as possible so when
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Speaker 16: burning embers drop on your property they don't start firing.
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Speaker 16: Keeping any gaps around the house are covered up so
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Speaker 16: that burning members can't get in. The problem is, if
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Speaker 16: you're backing onto national park that hasn't been burnt in
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Speaker 16: ten or twenty or thirty years, you've got a bomb
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Speaker 16: next to your house waiting to go off, and a
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Speaker 16: ten meter clearing behind the fence isn't going to be
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Speaker 16: enough to save your house even if you're there were
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Speaker 16: a fire hose.
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Speaker 9: No.
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Speaker 3: Of course, you've trained other fire brigades internationally, and I
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Speaker 3: thought it was fascinating to learn that actually you had
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Speaker 3: trained in Israel and some of what you taught was
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Speaker 3: then used by communities in October.
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Speaker 7: Seven, that's correct.
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Speaker 16: Since twenty nineteen, I've been going to Israel approximately one
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Speaker 16: month a year to train emergency response teams of the communities.
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Speaker 16: I've conducted some lectures to the fire rescue service. They're
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Speaker 16: just starting the bushfire section essentially, and they're still starting
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Speaker 16: to learn community bushfire safety.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 16: So I trained farmers as well, our farm workers in firefighting.
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Speaker 16: Because of that training, they were able to use those
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Speaker 16: skills to save life and property during the attacks that
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Speaker 16: happened on.
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Speaker 3: Seventh of Amazing Because of course, fires were lit the
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Speaker 3: right tim wayne right great to have you on the
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Speaker 3: show really appreciated all right? Sam Kerr claiming she was
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Speaker 3: treated differently by British police. Sophie Ellsworth will join me
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Speaker 3: in a moment. Welcome back. Well, let's bring in now
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Speaker 3: news cops Europe correspondence Sophie Elsworth, Sophie, great to see
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Speaker 3: you now. It was another big day in UK caught
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Speaker 3: today in the Sam Kerr trial.
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Speaker 2: It's already been explosive, tell us what happened. So she
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Speaker 2: took to the standard.
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Speaker 17: She was grilledful pretty much the entire day on Wednesday,
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Speaker 17: and we heard from her the version of events that
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Speaker 17: happened on that night January thirty back in twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 17: where she said she's very embarrassed looking back at how
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Speaker 17: she was on that night.
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Speaker 2: She admitted that she was drunk.
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Speaker 17: She admitted that she was very scared during this taxi
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Speaker 17: ride with the taxi driver and that her partner, Christy Muse,
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Speaker 17: used a booth of her shoe to smash through the
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Speaker 17: back window on the taxi as they did for their life.
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Speaker 17: So we heard quite damning testimony from Sam Kerr. She
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Speaker 17: did say that she was treated differently by British police
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Speaker 17: because of her race, and she had sighted that she'd
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Speaker 17: experienced racism throughout her life, including when she was growing
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Speaker 17: up in her.
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Speaker 3: Now, sophn you try to talk to her afterwards, but
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Speaker 3: she didn't seem too happy to speak with you.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 3: Oh sorry, we don't have that or play that another time, Sophie.
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Speaker 3: What happened when you did approach her?
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Speaker 17: Well, each day she's been coming in and out of
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Speaker 17: the court behind me. The media have tried to speak
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Speaker 17: to her. She has said nothing. The whole way through.
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Speaker 17: She's not made a single comment. She's rushed into court,
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Speaker 17: she gets dropped right out here at the front and
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Speaker 17: runs in. Now she's she's very you know, rushing in
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Speaker 17: because she does not want to talk to any of
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Speaker 17: the waiting media.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we do have that clip now, so let's have
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Speaker 2: a look.
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Speaker 17: Miss care anything to say about today, Miss Kare anything
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Speaker 17: any comments?
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Speaker 2: Excuse man? Yeah, look, it would be very humiliating for her.
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Speaker 3: The entire world's media focusing on this, everyone seeing the
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Speaker 3: video of her calling a police officer white and stupid.
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Speaker 3: Do you think in a way it's a surprise that
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Speaker 3: it's got to a cold case?
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Speaker 17: Absolutely, Shari. I mean, this is very damaging for her.
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Speaker 17: There's all this footage coming out. There's you know, she
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Speaker 17: was explaining she went out for a date with her
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Speaker 17: partner at seven pm at night, she got in this
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Speaker 17: cabin to she was vomiting out the door. She did
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Speaker 17: reveal that she drunk too much. She says she's embarrassed
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Speaker 17: by what happened. This is there's a lot of commentary
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Speaker 17: coming out now. I've seen in the Australian media particularly,
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Speaker 17: you know, concerns over what's next for her after this
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Speaker 17: court case. It is day four today, she's due to
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Speaker 17: take the.
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Speaker 2: Stand again, as is her partner.
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Speaker 17: So let's see what happened.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure it'll be another day of revelations. Sophiel's
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Speaker 3: Earth great coverage. Is always great to have you on,
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Speaker 3: and thanks everyone for watching this week. I've loved your company.
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Speaker 3: That's all we've got time for. I'll see you Monday
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Speaker 3: at eight o'clock and stay tuned because Paul Maray is
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Speaker 3: up next and I'm sure he's going to have a
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Speaker 3: cracker of a show.