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Mark Salomon: Stavesacre | Furnace Fest 2025 Series · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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Speaker 1: Today we got Mark from Stave Saker. Super excited to
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Speaker 1: chat with you. Mark. It's been a few years now,
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Speaker 1: and uh, I know you're off off the Twitter at
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Speaker 1: this point, so I don't get to see you much more,
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Speaker 1: you know, much these days, and so uh yeah, I
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Speaker 1: kind of miss you, man, You're I love. I always
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Speaker 1: miss your snark. I miss how I miss how like
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Speaker 1: pissed off you get about the Raiders and just how
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Speaker 1: generally shitty they are. And yeah, yeah, I'm just I'm
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Speaker 1: missing you, dude.
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Speaker 2: Oh I'm still I'm still just as much. There's still
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Speaker 2: as just as much snark. And I like to tell
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Speaker 2: myself that I've cut back on the social media thing,
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Speaker 2: but you know, all honesty, I mostly just don't ever
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Speaker 2: want to post on Twitter or Facebook ever again. But
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Speaker 2: I'm still you know, I on Instagram. I want to
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Speaker 2: see pictures and videos and it's my only source of
1:18
Speaker 2: news really, Instagram and YouTube. So I'm still on there,
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Speaker 2: still getting people are still getting mad at me.
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Speaker 3: Reddit, you know whatever, Are you mostly lurking with a
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Speaker 3: digital trench coat in the corner or what?
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Speaker 2: No? I talk a lot of shit they have. I
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Speaker 2: just feel like it's important to not be silent right now.
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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I'm very I'm nervous about things that
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Speaker 2: I'd never been nervous about before in my life. And
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Speaker 2: I think it's interesting, is actually going to be that
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Speaker 2: Actually it's actually somehow the Raiders are bright spot in
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Speaker 2: my life right now. He seems like a really nice dude.
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Speaker 2: I'm actually super into it. It's you know, it may
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Speaker 2: not be what some people were hoping for, but you know,
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Speaker 2: man might end up being the best thing, and I yeah, whatever,
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Speaker 2: I can handle.
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Speaker 3: What What's what's the number one thing that got that
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Speaker 3: has Mark Solomon extra piste off? Right now?
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Speaker 2: I would say everything I've learned in my whole life,
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Speaker 2: how specific I mean, you know, I hate to I
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Speaker 2: hate to paint with too fine a brush. But really,
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Speaker 2: every single element of my faith that I was taught
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Speaker 2: about that resonated with me from the very moment that
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Speaker 2: was part of the love that set me free, every
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Speaker 2: single element of it right now is being thrown in
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Speaker 2: the dirt by people claiming to have the same faith
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Speaker 2: as me. And I'm supposed to just sit here and
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Speaker 2: take it. I don't. I just can't. I can't. It's
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Speaker 2: just not right, my jam. And you know, I I
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Speaker 2: do fear the way people react to things I've already had,
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Speaker 2: you know, some pretty strange comments made, some weird threats made.
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Speaker 2: This is going all the way back to Obama. But
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Speaker 2: even now, you know, now it's like we always knew it,
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Speaker 2: you know. And and I'm just I'm still the same dude,
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Speaker 2: like they all. I think I would say, what has
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Speaker 2: made got me so pissed off right now, so hurt
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Speaker 2: and sad and so that I'm full of rage is
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Speaker 2: the way the fundamental elements of my faith are disregarded
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Speaker 2: as a weakness. I just I can't abide by it, man,
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Speaker 2: and I can't sit quietly and just like, huh must
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Speaker 2: be rough for those young whipper snappers, you know.
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Speaker 3: So what's caused the change?
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Speaker 2: I mean? You know, I'm not a fan of the administration,
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Speaker 2: as as some people may know. I'm not really much
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Speaker 2: a fan of any of the administrations because none of them.
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Speaker 2: I just don't think either of them really serves the
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Speaker 2: people at all. And I understand that that one is
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Speaker 2: just overtly fascist pot you know, throwing the frog into
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Speaker 2: the boiling water, and then the other one is the
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Speaker 2: slow boil where the frog doesn't realize it. I get
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Speaker 2: all that stuff, man, and and you know, I understand
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Speaker 2: that one is worse than the other. But we've gone
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Speaker 2: over this. It's just wake me up when there's something
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Speaker 2: that I don't have to qualify, something that I don't
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Speaker 2: have to what about or whatever and not there. But
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Speaker 2: in my opinion, the the answer to that is that
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Speaker 2: the actual church should step away from this process entirely.
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Speaker 2: And you know, if you want to claim a faith
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Speaker 2: and people are going to to take our faith and
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Speaker 2: turn it into some sort of you know, prison yard shank, I,
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Speaker 2: I say take it away from them entirely, you know.
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Speaker 2: And the best way to do that, in my opinion,
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Speaker 2: is as not being done, which is ask these people
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Speaker 2: who claim to be such devout Christians what it was
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Speaker 2: like when they were on their face in misery, praying
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Speaker 2: for forgiveness for being such a wretch. What was that
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Speaker 2: I liked? I'd be curious to hear the reactions. Would
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Speaker 2: they even know what I was talking about? Because I
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Speaker 2: bet you guys do.
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Speaker 1: I bet they don't have every silly song with Larry memorized.
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Speaker 2: Hey man, I mean that's a part of my childhood,
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Speaker 2: dude's And honestly, like Larry Norman played on the White
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Speaker 2: House steps too. For Jimmy Carter. He was a political motherfucker.
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Speaker 2: And you know what, man, people listened to him and
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Speaker 2: respected him as a human being. You know, nobody comes
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Speaker 2: back now and is like, I can't believe he got
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Speaker 2: you know, stay out of politics and stay in your lane.
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Speaker 2: No one had ever said that about Larry Mark. What
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Speaker 2: a ridiculous idea. And yet that's how they want. You know,
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Speaker 2: people like to rewrite history and turn everybody into this
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Speaker 2: you know, weird vanilla dipped MLK thing. I just don't
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Speaker 2: get it.
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Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, they're gonna try to do that
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Speaker 1: with Rich Mullens too.
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Speaker 2: They don't even acknowledge his existence. So polished. I was
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Speaker 2: thinking the other day like, listen, I don't mean to
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Speaker 2: jump right into this, but you all ask man, and
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Speaker 2: I'm right here.
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Speaker 3: I love it.
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Speaker 2: I the other day I heard something said by somebody
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Speaker 2: who claims to be of the same faith as me,
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Speaker 2: and all I could all I could picture in my
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Speaker 2: head was when I was a teenage at twelve maybe
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Speaker 2: thirteen years old, we all went into downtown Fresno to
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Speaker 2: see this artist that my parents had been listening to
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Speaker 2: He was given a free concert at this at the
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Speaker 2: Celend Arena, which in Fresno at the time was the
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Speaker 2: big show, you know, eight thousand people. And we went
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Speaker 2: there and Keith Green played right, and I mean it
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Speaker 2: was the child, you know, yes, impression impressionistic in all
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Speaker 2: those things. Whatever. My faith is still my faith now,
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Speaker 2: so it's still the same. But as a child, I
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Speaker 2: was blown away by the conviction that that dude shared.
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Speaker 2: And honestly, Dude, some of it I still to this
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Speaker 2: day don't agree with. But I think it's kind of bonkers.
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Speaker 2: But I also but not bonkers for the same reason
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Speaker 2: that I think these these maniacs are. You know, Bonder's
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Speaker 2: like everyone should be a missionary. I'm pretty sure that's
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Speaker 2: not true. I don't. I don't see that for everybody,
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Speaker 2: you know. But the conviction and the sincerity with which
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Speaker 2: he spoke about the humility before God as a human being,
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Speaker 2: as a sinner, you know. And I'm not talking about
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Speaker 2: some nebulous I was told that I used to be
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Speaker 2: a sinner, so I must I must feel bad. I'm
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Speaker 2: talking about I know exactly why I am a wretched
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Speaker 2: piece of shit. I know why, you know, just not,
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure there are. I am also very aware
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Speaker 2: that I don't know all the ways that I am one,
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Speaker 2: and I don't want to. I don't want to know.
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Speaker 2: What I do know sucks, you know the things that
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Speaker 2: I hate about my I was just talking I Tuck
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Speaker 2: to Joey's fencing yesterday for his show. You guys are
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Speaker 2: kind of weird, timeline. I don't how can I? I
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Speaker 2: was trying to put it best into words. I just
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Speaker 2: don't think this is anything like what I was based on. Man,
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Speaker 2: It's just it's there is no sincerity there. There is
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Speaker 2: no conviction, dude, Like when Keith Green was talking, when
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Speaker 2: Larry Norman was talking, when Rich Mullins was talking, when
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Speaker 2: so many other artists and and uh and and and
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Speaker 2: preachers and pastors like sincere people that I took to
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Speaker 2: leadership from in my life. Every time, the challenge was
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Speaker 2: against one's own self every time, you know, it was
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Speaker 2: always the challenge against your fleshly desires, your selfishness or whatever.
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Speaker 2: And now we're not the blame for anything. I wish
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Speaker 2: i'd have known this earlier. It's all somebody else from
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Speaker 2: another country. It's it's not me at all, dude, I'm good.
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Speaker 2: That's That's where I'm at right now. Seeing these people,
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Speaker 2: I just cannot accept that mentality. And if I wasn't
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Speaker 2: clear enough, what I mean is it's horseshit, dude. Everything
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Speaker 2: about this is a pos there is if you put
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Speaker 2: them on the spot, if one of these reporters who
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Speaker 2: are supposed to be on our side, if one of them,
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Speaker 2: just one of them, would ask them a question like that.
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Speaker 2: At some point, Hey, man, you wanted me to sign
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Speaker 2: off on these new bombs that you dropped. Will you
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Speaker 2: sign off on death to self? On selling all your
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Speaker 2: possessions and giving to the poor. You signing off on that?
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Speaker 2: What if you were asked to do that? Just as
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Speaker 2: a question, just as a question. I'm just asking questions here.
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Speaker 2: If God appeared to you tomorrow night and said, sell
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Speaker 2: everything you have and give it to the poor, could
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Speaker 2: you do it? Every person watching that thing would see
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Speaker 2: that person's reaction and they would know if it was real. Man.
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Speaker 2: I just I just I can't handle it. And I
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Speaker 2: jumped on this. My wife always says, really did really,
10:52
Speaker 2: didn't you know? I did? I just had like a
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Speaker 2: really really gnarly scare, all right. I was in the hospital.
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Speaker 2: I had a pretty scary moment a couple months ago,
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Speaker 2: and it was right when all this thing started, and
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Speaker 2: I literally had to tell myself, dude, you got to
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Speaker 2: put the phone down. You cannot carry the weight of this.
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Speaker 2: But I'm not in the hospital anymore, and I'm I'm
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Speaker 2: super pissed.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have you tried listening to newsboys recently? Instead?
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I never really dug that stuff before, man,
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Speaker 2: So I don't think that's where I'm turning now. I
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Speaker 2: listened to that Keith Green song the other day, the
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Speaker 2: Sheep and the Goats. Man to that. Listen to that song.
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Speaker 2: I'm telling any person who hears this, listen to Keith
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Speaker 2: Green live talking about the Sheep and the Goats, and
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Speaker 2: tell me who that if that reminds you of our
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Speaker 2: administration in any way, shape or form, and if not,
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Speaker 2: maybe it's time to just not have anything to do
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Speaker 2: with this stuff.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm glad you brought up Keith Green, because I mean,
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Speaker 3: talk about a guy with conviction. He he literally owned
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Speaker 3: a house in Beverly Hills that he just let anybody
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Speaker 3: stay at, Like if you were homeless, I didn't know
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Speaker 3: and you were in and you were in Beverly Hills.
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Speaker 3: He would let you stay at his house. And at
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Speaker 3: one point there was like thirty some people staying at
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Speaker 3: his house that he didn't know, and he would and
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Speaker 3: he would put on and he would put on little
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Speaker 3: shows for them every night.
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Speaker 1: And Michael did. But for different reasons.
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Speaker 3: Oh come on now, hey, no, God damn.
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Speaker 2: I always know when there's gonna be like somebody off
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Speaker 2: the top rope with an elbow poking out flower the frame.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, the people's elbow.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate. I appreciate what you're saying, though, Mark, because
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Speaker 1: I think for a lot of us, you know, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure I certainly know that this is the case for
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Speaker 1: Colin and I, but for a lot of us, like
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Speaker 1: I think the uote unquote deconstruction that many of us
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Speaker 1: go through is is largely catalyzed by the hypocrisy that
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Speaker 1: we see, like we can't like we we like eventually
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Speaker 1: see that the faith that we were taught about this
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Speaker 1: Jesus guy is so fundamentally antithetical to some of the
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Speaker 1: administrations that many of these people that taught us this
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Speaker 1: faith in Jesus are supporting, and we like we see
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Speaker 1: that eventually and then once you see that, you can't
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Speaker 1: unsee it, and you just realize, like, I got to
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Speaker 1: figure out a different way to either be a Christian
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Speaker 1: or I got to get out of this thing entirely.
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Speaker 1: But there's lots of ways people do that. But it's
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Speaker 1: it like still baffles my mind that there's so many
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Speaker 1: people who grew up in that world, the same world
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Speaker 1: that Colin and I and you grew up in, and
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Speaker 1: still like can't see that hypocrisy.
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Speaker 3: They can't see us, yeah, or the polished herds of
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Speaker 3: the of the you know, megachurches and the comp stuffing
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Speaker 3: that you see all the time.
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Speaker 2: Now, I don't know, I know you guys are familiar
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Speaker 2: with stas or stuff. But Crucified had a song called
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Speaker 2: a Guy in a Suit in the Pope, right, and
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Speaker 2: I the entire point of the song was throughout Robert Tilton,
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Speaker 2: who's that you know, the put your hand on the
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Speaker 2: screen pastor and all that, And that's who I was
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Speaker 2: talking to that guy specifically, right, this TV preacher clearly
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Speaker 2: just clearly stealing money from people who want help, who
14:23
Speaker 2: think they can pay for God's attention or whatever. Right,
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Speaker 2: and those same dudes we all killed that, like our
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Speaker 2: generation of music and people brought so much scrutiny onto
14:38
Speaker 2: those turds that they all bounced and there was there was, dude,
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Speaker 2: there was a long time man when when he televangelist
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Speaker 2: was definitely a joke, Like that was a joke. Most
14:49
Speaker 2: people wouldn't need to be told this is bogus. Right
14:53
Speaker 2: now you got these same people rain over the over. God,
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Speaker 2: just dude, they're running the country. Now. How did it
15:03
Speaker 2: go from from you are persona non grada, every every
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Speaker 2: denomination of christian like from from the farthest reaches of
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Speaker 2: deep Ohio to Maine, all the way down to southern
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Speaker 2: California on all the different kind of Christianities and non
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Speaker 2: denominational Christianities, all of us were pretty much in agreement
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Speaker 2: that the TV preachers gotta go. And now there's more
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Speaker 2: of them than ever and they don't even need a
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Speaker 2: TV show. They have like these gigantic facilities that.
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Speaker 1: They're the White House.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And.
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Speaker 2: They're in the White House, dude, They're in They're in
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Speaker 2: all the positions of power. And then and yet somehow
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Speaker 2: none of the things that we were supposed to do
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Speaker 2: are getting addressed in any way, shape or form.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, to put it in perspective for you, there, Mark
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Speaker 3: my Sunday school teacher growing up. It wasn't Mason's Sunday
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Speaker 3: school teacher, but was my Sunday school teacher. She became
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Speaker 3: the governor of my state and then now is the
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Speaker 3: head of the the Apartment of Homeland Security Christy, and
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Speaker 3: she's the one that's trying to create a She's the
16:13
Speaker 3: one trying to create a like reality TV show about.
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Speaker 1: People like one hundred Games of Immigrants, but she also
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Speaker 1: wants like a theocracy.
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Speaker 3: It's it's insane.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's interesting, dude. As I was growing
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Speaker 2: up in then, you know, in the nineties and really
16:32
Speaker 2: a couple of years before Stagic reformed, there was big
16:35
Speaker 2: rift in a lot of the Newman House as a
16:39
Speaker 2: general group of people. You know, when I live with
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Speaker 2: Kim and all those bands and all these people were
16:47
Speaker 2: hanging out. There was a big rift in that group
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Speaker 2: of people that was went out some pretty hard lines
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Speaker 2: that I'm sure you know if you've ever been to
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Speaker 2: any kind of Bible college or a Christian university or whatever,
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Speaker 2: that once Calvinism comes into the conversation and there's you know,
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Speaker 2: people start separating into their own little groups. But right
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Speaker 2: about ninety four ninety five, a bunch of my buddies
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Speaker 2: got real hardcore into theoonomy and and I mean I
17:21
Speaker 2: wouldn't say any names, and I'm sure they'd be able
17:23
Speaker 2: to give me a long and wordy exeges Exitjesus of
17:28
Speaker 2: their theology from scripture and all this crap. But I
17:31
Speaker 2: don't care. I don't care. You don't show me the
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Speaker 2: person who who've saved me. You don't. That don't smell right,
17:43
Speaker 2: And I don't care if you can put a PowerPoint
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Speaker 2: presentation together to defend your weird, kooky god by order thing.
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Speaker 2: That's just not a deal man, It's not. It's there's
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Speaker 2: nothing you can say that will ever convince me that
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Speaker 2: that's real. And I felt that way for thirty years.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's nothing new. I just back in the day,
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Speaker 2: we got kept at a church. I talked about someone
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Speaker 2: in the book, I'm sure, but we were kept at
18:15
Speaker 2: a church by these biker Christian guys who were like nuts,
18:19
Speaker 2: I mean straight up nuts. The absolutely the villains behind
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Speaker 2: all kinds of of like sexual misconduct and shepherding and
18:30
Speaker 2: all that type of stuff. This was all really big deal.
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Speaker 2: Back in the eighties and the nineties, this church was
18:35
Speaker 2: and but Crucify was playing a show for them because
18:38
Speaker 2: the guy who booked us, he left the church before
18:42
Speaker 2: we arrived for the show, but we had already been booked,
18:45
Speaker 2: so we didn't really know what was going on. And
18:47
Speaker 2: so we get there and the guy who books us
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Speaker 2: is gone and this is a godly man who I
18:51
Speaker 2: loved still to this day. And then we were there
18:54
Speaker 2: with these these crazy guys and they liked us and
18:57
Speaker 2: locked the doors that nobody use the church until this
19:01
Speaker 2: pastor's done preaching and all that kind of stuff, right,
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, what is this, dude, what even is this?
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Speaker 2: You know? And I knew at that time this is
19:12
Speaker 2: definitely wrong. And I'm sure they could have defended everything.
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Speaker 2: They say, Oh this is bro. You got to understand. Bro. Bro,
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Speaker 2: just bro, Bro, just just you know, it just goes
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Speaker 2: on and on and it's the same thing now, dude,
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Speaker 2: it is the same thing. If it doesn't bear the
19:28
Speaker 2: scent of heaven, we can tell. And the only way
19:33
Speaker 2: you can't tell is if you don't want to. You know,
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Speaker 2: if you have ever tasted the sweetness of grace, you
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Speaker 2: can't not know what that's like. You can't just blow
19:43
Speaker 2: it off like it doesn't matter. I can't, dude, I'm
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Speaker 2: a wretched piece of shit. I know that I was
19:48
Speaker 2: saved by grace and brother, I can depend upon this.
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Speaker 2: This is the this is the straw, the last one
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Speaker 2: that I'm grasping on, and I'm not really even grabbing
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Speaker 2: onto it. It's wrapped around my risk, you know what
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Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, I don't. It's not because I chose
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Speaker 2: to be godly that I am saved. I was bad
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Speaker 2: and made alive, you know, and I don't I see
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Speaker 2: no reflection of that in anything that's happening right now,
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Speaker 2: and it's just hurts my heart.
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Speaker 1: M h m hmm.
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Speaker 3: It's very eloquent. I don't know if it is for
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Speaker 3: how angry you are. It's pretty eloquent.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man. Less eloquent on the socials, I believe.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just so frustrated, like dude, shut up? Can
20:37
Speaker 2: you please shut up? You know what I mean? Like
20:39
Speaker 2: if you're talking to somebody and you both know this,
20:42
Speaker 2: dude is full of it, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
20:45
Speaker 2: it's that level, but on a national on a national
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Speaker 2: broadcast whatever.
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Speaker 3: It's tough, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: It's just, dude, I want to live sincerely, man, And
20:57
Speaker 2: I hate to break it to anybody who's disappointed, but
21:01
Speaker 2: it was always going this way. Yeah, I believe what
21:04
Speaker 2: you said. Once you see it, you can't unsee it.
21:07
Speaker 2: You know, when Stage Jacre wrote Speakeasy, we had seen
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Speaker 2: and we were leaving. The beginning of that was was
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Speaker 2: during the writing of Absolutes, and by the time Speakeasy
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Speaker 2: came out, it was decided we are done with this nonsense.
21:21
Speaker 2: You know. We didn't call it deconstruction. Nobody did, but
21:25
Speaker 2: lots of lots of bands felt the same way.
21:27
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, yeah, it was called backsliding. Back then.
21:32
Speaker 2: It was called he's not a Christian anymore? Oh no, no,
21:36
Speaker 2: I forgot one. He's part of the emergent church.
21:39
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I still.
21:43
Speaker 2: Don't know what it means. Still don't care. The crazy part, dude,
21:47
Speaker 2: And I mean, I don't want to keep going on
21:48
Speaker 2: about this, but the crazy part is something that occurred
21:50
Speaker 2: to me just the other day when I was talking
21:53
Speaker 2: about this with a buddy of mine who is not
21:56
Speaker 2: a Christian but who went to these schools and was
21:59
Speaker 2: around all these people. It just occurred to me like, dude,
22:04
Speaker 2: I don't care if you disagree with me and my doctrine,
22:10
Speaker 2: if you have a way of of turning this into
22:13
Speaker 2: something that I've done wrong. Here's the crazy part. It
22:16
Speaker 2: totally doesn't matter. You have no power over me. I
22:20
Speaker 2: have no power over you. This is all an illusion.
22:23
Speaker 2: We're just supposed to be living and obeying and and
22:27
Speaker 2: if you're not doing that, start there, talk to me later,
22:32
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I'm not saying I'm perfect, man,
22:35
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm saying I know you're not either, So
22:38
Speaker 2: knock it off.
22:42
Speaker 3: It's the right way to put it. It's the right
22:43
Speaker 3: way to put it.
22:45
Speaker 1: Well, should we talk about for inst.
22:49
Speaker 2: DRMN is? I'm sure everybody's turned off already, So I.
22:53
Speaker 3: Guarantee you they're not.
22:54
Speaker 1: They're just like they want they more, they want more.
22:57
Speaker 1: Ranting from Mark Solomon, So Mark that, well, what was
23:02
Speaker 1: the story around game involved in for an Asbestos Year?
23:04
Speaker 1: So I know you guys played in twenty twenty one,
23:07
Speaker 1: so a few years ago at this point, but yeah,
23:09
Speaker 1: what was the story of how how this one's transpired?
23:13
Speaker 3: Well?
23:14
Speaker 2: The first the first one came about because of Ryan
23:17
Speaker 2: and I believe Chad Johnson Ryan Luther, who's a guy
23:21
Speaker 2: knew way back in the day. He got me my
23:23
Speaker 2: first TV gig just working on the sidelines of a
23:27
Speaker 2: local college football game. He's been a buddy for years,
23:32
Speaker 2: you know. I'd never seen him anymore, of course, but
23:34
Speaker 2: he started working with those guys, and then COVID hit
23:38
Speaker 2: and it didn't happen, and we came and when they
23:40
Speaker 2: finally did do it, we all went and it was
23:42
Speaker 2: super fun and it was really the first festival of
23:45
Speaker 2: any kind I or show I had gone to after
23:49
Speaker 2: the inception of COVID on right, and it felt cool.
23:52
Speaker 2: It felt awesome to be at a show with a
23:55
Speaker 2: bunch of people. It was weird, you know, but it
23:59
Speaker 2: was cool. And ever since then, that thing has exploded
24:03
Speaker 2: and I don't know, I think they have got their
24:05
Speaker 2: feet underneath them now and kind of feel comfortable circling
24:10
Speaker 2: back and you know, doing other things. And they approached
24:13
Speaker 2: us about playing Speakeasy front the back, which we would
24:20
Speaker 2: have happily done, but the time slot is really firm
24:23
Speaker 2: at a festival and there's just no time. So we're
24:26
Speaker 2: playing at four twenty on Saturday, and we have a
24:29
Speaker 2: thirty five minute set. So, but there's a bunch of
24:32
Speaker 2: really good bands playing. Dude, one of my favorite weird
24:36
Speaker 2: guilty pleasures is actually playing this festival, man, and I
24:39
Speaker 2: cannot believe it.
24:42
Speaker 3: Well, can we can we get a little pull back
24:45
Speaker 3: on that curtain there?
24:46
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if you want to pease it,
24:48
Speaker 2: but that's who I'll be talking about when you decide,
24:51
Speaker 2: So we'll talk about playing at the festival. And I'm
24:56
Speaker 2: telling you legit a.
25:00
Speaker 3: Big gas truck.
25:02
Speaker 2: No, I don't know what that is.
25:04
Speaker 3: It's another band that's played. So we've been going to
25:08
Speaker 3: Furnace Fest since twenty one and we have enjoyed it immensely.
25:13
Speaker 2: It's a great looking place, it.
25:15
Speaker 3: Is it's it's such a unique experience in comparison to
25:19
Speaker 3: any other festival I've ever been to. And it feels
25:22
Speaker 3: so much more. I don't want to say family oriented,
25:25
Speaker 3: but I would say, but it kind of is familial esque, right,
25:29
Speaker 3: It feels it feels like a community, unlike most which
25:33
Speaker 3: are I feel like a big money grab if you
25:35
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
25:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what. It kind of reminded me of.
25:38
Speaker 2: And this is pretty high praise. Honestly, is Pumpfest. It's
25:44
Speaker 2: got the same vibe as tom Fest used two back
25:46
Speaker 2: in the day, where yeah, you know, somebody who knows
25:50
Speaker 2: what they're doing is in charge. And uh, you know,
25:54
Speaker 2: most festivals now, if they're successful, they know what they're doing,
25:58
Speaker 2: right But everybody talking right now, and anybody listening to
26:02
Speaker 2: this who knows any of the bands that we all
26:04
Speaker 2: know together knows the other way to do it, which
26:09
Speaker 2: is half assed nightmare with not enough bathrooms, nowhere to
26:14
Speaker 2: sleep and et cetera. You know, But like tom Fest was,
26:19
Speaker 2: the was one of the best experiences as a festival.
26:23
Speaker 2: I put it right up there with the with the
26:25
Speaker 2: Prime of Cornerstone because Mikey was such a great guy
26:29
Speaker 2: and he looked out for people man, and he looked
26:33
Speaker 2: out for the bands, and as a result, everybody was
26:35
Speaker 2: super stoked to go play. You know, you didn't need
26:38
Speaker 2: a gajillion dollars to play. You could just you knew
26:41
Speaker 2: it'd be worth it and there would be a good,
26:43
Speaker 2: good show and people would be stoked and you'd sell
26:46
Speaker 2: a bunch of T shirts. So what's the big deal?
26:48
Speaker 2: You know, Plus Mikey was one of us and is
26:51
Speaker 2: one of us, so you know, there's a trust there
26:54
Speaker 2: that is real, and Chad and Ryan as well, those guys.
26:59
Speaker 2: I don't know anyone else involved with it, and I
27:01
Speaker 2: only really know you know Chad and Ryan through sort
27:03
Speaker 2: of our conversations over the years. But you know when
27:08
Speaker 2: you're in good hands, man, and it's a good one.
27:11
Speaker 2: By the way, I will say, I'm not going to
27:13
Speaker 2: be able to do the pom Con. I don't know
27:16
Speaker 2: if you guys have heard about that.
27:17
Speaker 1: We didn't hear about it that they were kind of
27:19
Speaker 1: bringing it back.
27:20
Speaker 2: Because I can only take one week off for work. Realistically,
27:24
Speaker 2: I've got to do the days Acre show, so I
27:26
Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to get away for that. But I'm
27:29
Speaker 2: too prommed. So that is going to be happening for
27:31
Speaker 2: anybody who's interested in that. It's going to be at
27:33
Speaker 2: least in southern California.
27:35
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, it'll be cool.
27:37
Speaker 2: It'll be good.
27:38
Speaker 3: Are you still working with NASCAR.
27:41
Speaker 2: I don't work with Nascar. I just I work in TV,
27:44
Speaker 2: so I cover different sports. I do cover some NASCAR sport,
27:49
Speaker 2: some NASCAR sport. I do cover some Nascar, I do
27:52
Speaker 2: cover some golf. I do a bunch of random stuff.
27:55
Speaker 2: But I don't talk about it as much as because
28:00
Speaker 2: no teatures. It's a very weird world.
28:04
Speaker 3: I can imagine, so I can imagine a little.
28:06
Speaker 2: More conservative than you might expect, you know.
28:09
Speaker 3: Oh, I expect it's quite conservative.
28:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's not. It's just every everybody has their
28:17
Speaker 2: own system of beliefs and I'm not really interested in
28:20
Speaker 2: sorting them all out. Yeah, but I also know that
28:23
Speaker 2: some people just don't possess the ability to understand nuance anyway.
28:28
Speaker 3: Any Yes, yes, and I appreciate that as well.
28:34
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned you've got a guilty pleasure that you're
28:38
Speaker 1: looking for. What other what like? Are you staying around
28:40
Speaker 1: like most of the weekend to watch other shows.
28:44
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be there for the whole thing unless they
28:47
Speaker 2: freak out a little bit and I have to go
28:49
Speaker 2: back to work on Sunday. I don't know for one
28:51
Speaker 2: of the job that I do during that time of
28:53
Speaker 2: the year, but the plan is to be there for
28:56
Speaker 2: the whole thing. We're going to go rehearse in Nashville
28:59
Speaker 2: where Dirk lives. Dirk lifts now so Stave Thatch. We
29:03
Speaker 2: rehearse that week, and then we'll all drive over just
29:05
Speaker 2: like we did with the last one, but not from
29:08
Speaker 2: Atlanta this time.
29:10
Speaker 3: So well, yeah, so you're so you're not doing all
29:13
Speaker 3: the speak easy because of the time slot. But what
29:16
Speaker 3: should what should listeners expect for?
29:18
Speaker 1: Then?
29:18
Speaker 3: Should we be kind of expecting a best of or
29:21
Speaker 3: just like your guy's favorites or what.
29:24
Speaker 2: We definitely are trying to think of what was fun
29:27
Speaker 2: to play live and what people seem to enjoy live.
29:30
Speaker 2: But anybody's welcome to jump on staves Acre Instagram, send
29:34
Speaker 2: a message, let your will be known. You know we can.
29:38
Speaker 2: I'm down for it to be fun and to be
29:40
Speaker 2: whatever people want to see. So oh yeah, I don't
29:43
Speaker 2: really have two strict unfortunately, some of them more deep
29:47
Speaker 2: dive type of jams. That's not really the setting for it.
29:50
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna go find. I'm gonna go find every
29:54
Speaker 3: single song where you hit the absolute top of your register,
29:57
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna force you to sing.
29:59
Speaker 2: Everything that yeahs against the silence back to bat for Yes,
30:06
Speaker 2: you want to see a guy die on stage, it'll happen.
30:11
Speaker 1: You'll be like, what like fifty five by that point,
30:13
Speaker 1: so it could be.
30:14
Speaker 2: I'm already to be your last, Yeah, dude, I mean
30:18
Speaker 2: the last, the first and not the first. The last
30:21
Speaker 2: time I saw Larry Norman, I think he was my
30:23
Speaker 2: age and uh, and he passed not long after that,
30:27
Speaker 2: so IM and I was laughing then, I'm not laughing now.
30:36
Speaker 1: God, what what other bands are you looking forward to
30:39
Speaker 1: seeing them on the weekend?
30:41
Speaker 2: Well, obviously, I think we're playing same day as Living Sacrifice,
30:45
Speaker 2: and Bruce and the boys will always be friends. I
30:49
Speaker 2: don't know if Blindside is doing that, but if they were.
30:53
Speaker 1: There played last year, but they did just announce recently
30:56
Speaker 1: that they're releasing a new album, so there's.
31:00
Speaker 2: I mean, that'd be cool. I I seriously, I don't.
31:02
Speaker 2: I was just trying to think of, like who might
31:04
Speaker 2: be doing that, because I know some of the other
31:06
Speaker 2: bands kind of from our sort of time were there.
31:10
Speaker 2: I one of my you had asked me earlier about
31:13
Speaker 2: Guilty Pleasures, and so I feel like this is a
31:16
Speaker 2: good time to discuss that.
31:18
Speaker 3: This is a good time. Let's let's roll onto it.
31:20
Speaker 2: Okay. So you know how most like you're not allowed
31:27
Speaker 2: to do too much. Okay, you can't be you really
31:31
Speaker 2: can't be a singer like in a band and a
31:34
Speaker 2: stand up comedian. That's not a thing anybody wants okay, nobody,
31:39
Speaker 2: nobody wants that, all right, Uh, you can't.
31:42
Speaker 3: Be You never heard of Childish Gambino?
31:46
Speaker 2: You you have? And he just retired his stand up career.
31:49
Speaker 2: That's true in all honestly, it's like think about it,
31:55
Speaker 2: like would you. I guess he might be an exception,
31:58
Speaker 2: but it's pretty freaking rare, dude. And if Bill Burr,
32:01
Speaker 2: if Bill Burr suddenly started a hardware band of one
32:04
Speaker 2: hundred percent, it would suck, okay, and you wouldn't like it,
32:08
Speaker 2: saying you're really not supposed to be able to do
32:10
Speaker 2: two things. And Steve Martin wrote a couple novels. Did
32:13
Speaker 2: you know that Shop Girl was one of them. It's
32:15
Speaker 2: pretty famous, but it is not really what people want
32:18
Speaker 2: from Steve Martin. And yes, he's an amazing banjo player,
32:21
Speaker 2: but they mostly want him to do the acting thing,
32:23
Speaker 2: you know, maybe some comedy. So there's more depth to
32:30
Speaker 2: that theory, but we could go into it at a
32:31
Speaker 2: different times. The point is I do enjoy Instagram. I
32:39
Speaker 2: do enjoy some social media, but mostly what I watch
32:42
Speaker 2: is I'll do Instagram because I follow about five million
32:44
Speaker 2: artists on there that I love, and then YouTube as
32:47
Speaker 2: well because that's really the only news that I get.
32:51
Speaker 2: I have to be careful about what I watch. I
32:53
Speaker 2: don't echo chamber it up. But I came across the
32:57
Speaker 2: sky during COVID. You guys might even be familiar with him,
33:01
Speaker 2: who was like remixing Internet drama and turning into songs.
33:06
Speaker 2: His name is Lubelin. He he did this song about
33:11
Speaker 2: this argument that these two people had on Facebook about
33:14
Speaker 2: somebody stealing their their broccoli capsicle recipe. Yes, yes, it's incredible,
33:22
Speaker 2: it is. It's outstanding. And he's he did a bunch
33:24
Speaker 2: of those songs. Well, turns out his solo stuff is
33:28
Speaker 2: actually really really good. It's really really quality, you know.
33:32
Speaker 2: It's it's artful and and and it makes sense and
33:36
Speaker 2: it's beautiful. And I was thinking, like, that is weird.
33:40
Speaker 2: You shouldn't be good at like Internet goofiness and then
33:44
Speaker 2: also be a good musician. And so that's where it
33:46
Speaker 2: opened a little door for me. And then one day
33:49
Speaker 2: I realized a guy that I've been following for quite
33:52
Speaker 2: a while is also a musician. His name is Pete.
33:55
Speaker 2: Do you know who p d Usa is?
33:57
Speaker 3: He's so good. I don't know same guy.
34:01
Speaker 2: He's outstanding. It is the same guy, hed us Ad
34:08
Speaker 2: from Instagram. Dude, I'm telling you that's the same guy.
34:12
Speaker 1: Well you I thought you were saying, calling that lubulin
34:15
Speaker 1: and pd.
34:17
Speaker 2: Lublin is a different That was just my kind of
34:19
Speaker 2: my gateway to the possibility that that somebody who does
34:22
Speaker 2: skits on the internet on social media might actually be
34:26
Speaker 2: a good artist. And dude, I freaking love that guy.
34:30
Speaker 2: His album Larger than Life, I'm gonna I'm getting the
34:33
Speaker 2: name wrong, Lean in Life, Leaning to Life, Lean Into
34:37
Speaker 2: Life is like there's like three songs on it that
34:40
Speaker 2: I don't listen to the rest of it's it's incredible, outstanding.
34:44
Speaker 2: Guy's got a completely original take on stuff. He doesn't
34:47
Speaker 2: sound like a bunch of people. He definitely has his
34:51
Speaker 2: own thing going on. And and then he still writes records.
34:55
Speaker 2: But then his internet, his little videos. My my boys
34:59
Speaker 2: and and I with at work have been sharing this
35:02
Speaker 2: dude's videos with each other for years, like all the
35:05
Speaker 2: characters that he made up, you know, Puff Sullivan, legend
35:08
Speaker 2: of Sig Corner. It's just a guy like always sliding
35:12
Speaker 2: a cigarette, always five cigarettes. He guys. You know, he's
35:15
Speaker 2: got like sage advice or whatever. But Craig, the guy
35:19
Speaker 2: who smiles weird. Yeah, guy, the way he smiles so weird. Like, dude,
35:23
Speaker 2: We've been sending these videos back to each other for
35:26
Speaker 2: years and then I hear this, hear the song of
35:28
Speaker 2: him is like get out of here, and sure enough, man,
35:31
Speaker 2: it's outstanding. And then I found out after we booked
35:35
Speaker 2: for this fest that Petie is playing. Dude, He's playing
35:38
Speaker 2: on the same day as us, so I am one
35:40
Speaker 2: hundred percent going to be at that show.
35:42
Speaker 1: He does feel like he does feel like kind of
35:45
Speaker 1: an odd man out in terms of the general scene
35:49
Speaker 1: of bands that are playing, both like the EMAO alternative
35:52
Speaker 1: bands and obviously the hardcore and metal core bands. He
35:54
Speaker 1: does kind of feel like an odd man out of
35:56
Speaker 1: like one of the people that just like what isn't
35:58
Speaker 1: in the scene. But you are right. Music is incredible.
36:01
Speaker 1: In fact, one of probably my most listened to songs
36:03
Speaker 1: so far in twenty twenty five is Don't Tell the Boys.
36:06
Speaker 1: That song incredible. That song gets me every time.
36:10
Speaker 2: Like you said in that song, I have sent that
36:13
Speaker 2: song consciously and intentionally two friends of mine going through
36:19
Speaker 2: it like I don't that's a high. That's hot phrase.
36:21
Speaker 2: As far as far as I'm concerned. And then one
36:24
Speaker 2: of the guys that I've turned on to it, you know,
36:27
Speaker 2: months and months later, is like you got to hear
36:28
Speaker 2: the song. Man you heard that, don't know, Like, dude,
36:32
Speaker 2: I'm the guy who freaking turned you onto that, and uh,
36:36
Speaker 2: it's dude, that song is great Microwave Dinner. I mean, honestly,
36:40
Speaker 2: that whole record has is so good. And then I've
36:43
Speaker 2: heard some of the newer songs. I straight up love them.
36:46
Speaker 2: I just I think the dude's got a lot of talent.
36:49
Speaker 3: Mark. You know what you need to do is you
36:51
Speaker 3: need to go backstage before he goes on, and you
36:53
Speaker 3: need to be the cigarette guy with the with the
36:56
Speaker 3: sage wisdom advice and everything.
36:58
Speaker 2: Just the thought of how thinking those things are would
37:01
Speaker 2: just bum me out so hard.
37:03
Speaker 3: Well, then just get get some candy cigarettes, so just
37:05
Speaker 3: have fun.
37:06
Speaker 2: I think my wife and I she never knew I
37:09
Speaker 2: smoked for years, dude, and I can't believe there's no
37:13
Speaker 2: way I didn't stink like an ash tray. Sorry, go ahead, Well,
37:16
Speaker 2: I was.
37:17
Speaker 1: Just gonna say that. He he actually was in this
37:19
Speaker 1: like really interesting indie rock band from Chicago for a
37:22
Speaker 1: while called Young Jesus and I've never really listened to them,
37:26
Speaker 1: but yeah, he was in that bin for a while,
37:28
Speaker 1: soe he like. I mean, he has a music background
37:30
Speaker 1: for like, especially Indye, so sure he has a whole
37:33
Speaker 1: background for it.
37:35
Speaker 2: Dude, As far as I'm concerned, that just makes him
37:37
Speaker 2: even cooler. Like I literally had no idea that he
37:40
Speaker 2: did any of that stuff and told me and my
37:42
Speaker 2: buddy started watching these idiotic, absurdist videos that make absolutely
37:47
Speaker 2: no sense. Hey man, do you have a water? Yeah,
37:50
Speaker 2: here's this ladder. No, no water, And it's always him.
37:53
Speaker 2: It's just dude. It's still good, but you know, between
37:57
Speaker 2: him and I. Also, I listened to Stephen Wilson Jr.
38:01
Speaker 2: Who's sort of a guilty pleasure because I think he
38:03
Speaker 2: might be married to an old Christian rock artist, the
38:08
Speaker 2: singer from Sixpence Don the Richer.
38:10
Speaker 3: Oh really, Oh yeah.
38:12
Speaker 2: I think they're married. I didn't know that connection was there,
38:16
Speaker 2: but that dude's music just hits me deeply interesting. One
38:21
Speaker 2: oh man, son of Dad is outstanding.
38:25
Speaker 1: I'm trying to what's her name again.
38:27
Speaker 3: I believe that that's.
38:29
Speaker 2: One of the other artists or one of the other
38:31
Speaker 2: artists in the band Lee I think it's just Lee Lee. Yeah,
38:38
Speaker 2: I guess they're married. I didn't know that. But man,
38:43
Speaker 2: that record. Do not do not listen to that record
38:46
Speaker 2: unless you have Do not listen to that record if
38:48
Speaker 2: you are in an emotional place and you have had
38:51
Speaker 2: issues with your family.
38:53
Speaker 3: Or too much to drink. Maybe.
38:55
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's good stuff. Man.
38:57
Speaker 1: It looks like they got married in two thousand eleven,
39:00
Speaker 1: so yeah, they've been married for a little while.
39:03
Speaker 2: I had, I did not know. It's a very weird thing.
39:07
Speaker 3: All right. Let's hear another guilty pleasure of yours there then.
39:11
Speaker 2: All right. I I play Call of Duty all the time,
39:15
Speaker 2: love it all the time. I play with all my
39:19
Speaker 2: buddies from work. I play it with my old David Cotton,
39:24
Speaker 2: the old manager of Stage Acre, and a couple of
39:25
Speaker 2: his friends. I play with my boy Troy and and
39:29
Speaker 2: his lady, and we are on there all the time.
39:32
Speaker 3: Dude, all right, let's test you then. What's your what's
39:35
Speaker 3: your go to load out?
39:38
Speaker 2: I mean, I just right now, I favor the lmgs,
39:42
Speaker 2: but I I've been doing the late the Latra Letra
39:46
Speaker 2: SMG because it's just like a driller just and I
39:49
Speaker 2: always people. It's so funny, dude, I love it. We'll
39:53
Speaker 2: be We'll be. You know, my wife goes to bed
39:55
Speaker 2: fairly early because of her job, so i'm you know,
40:00
Speaker 2: that's time for me to go turn it on and
40:03
Speaker 2: shoot the bad guys.
40:05
Speaker 3: What's your I assume that you play online as well? Yeah,
40:11
Speaker 3: what's your your trash talk game?
40:13
Speaker 2: Like I tend to anytime somebody talks trash or starts
40:19
Speaker 2: being profane, like I might swear and have unsavory practices
40:26
Speaker 2: in my personal life for something I don't know that
40:28
Speaker 2: people would not approve of. But I'm not a troll.
40:32
Speaker 2: I don't try to bump people out, So if somebody
40:36
Speaker 2: does while we're playing, I usually overcorrect. Oh right, how
40:42
Speaker 2: are you?
40:43
Speaker 3: Oh?
40:44
Speaker 2: What an insight? It just comes out of me. Dude.
40:50
Speaker 2: I can't help it, man, I just start I start
40:52
Speaker 2: talking like as quietly and sincerely as well. Tell me
40:55
Speaker 2: about how does that make you feel? That? Are you okay?
40:58
Speaker 2: Are you good?
40:59
Speaker 3: Somehow sounds more sinister than if you were being like
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Speaker 3: vocally video.
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Speaker 2: It seems only some kid going it's stupid, you know,
41:10
Speaker 2: it's always it's always some little shit, you know, And
41:15
Speaker 2: it's like I know, for a fact. Dude, you look
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Speaker 2: over both your shoulders before you say half the stuff
41:20
Speaker 2: you say while you're on her. Man, just just know we.
41:25
Speaker 1: Both know he's got like a he's got like a
41:28
Speaker 1: mirror coming off of his like TV. Just to make
41:30
Speaker 1: sure that he's like always watching for parents.
41:35
Speaker 2: Yep, fifty five year old man. Love playing video games
41:39
Speaker 2: with my buddies.
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Speaker 3: That's fun. That's fun.
41:44
Speaker 1: You would have you would have really gotten along with
41:46
Speaker 1: a bunch of my friends in twenty eleven in high school.
41:50
Speaker 2: Probably I'm a child. We did never we did not
41:56
Speaker 2: have children. So I live in a constant state of
42:00
Speaker 2: suspended adulthood.
42:03
Speaker 1: I swear to God their whole life call of duty
42:05
Speaker 1: for a while.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I should be doing much more and doing more things.
42:11
Speaker 3: But I don't know if you're a Star Wars fan
42:13
Speaker 3: or not. But have you played the battle Front the
42:16
Speaker 3: Battlefront games?
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Speaker 2: I haven't. I like I like dudes to blow up,
42:21
Speaker 2: Oh sure, I like to see their arms. I love
42:25
Speaker 2: the gory element of call of duty. Just I don't know.
42:29
Speaker 2: I was a big g t A fan. I loved
42:33
Speaker 2: all that stuff too. So you know, anything that involves
42:36
Speaker 2: chasing your buddies around is fun. You know I want
42:39
Speaker 2: to I want to see I like to see the
42:42
Speaker 2: culture violence, which is probably something that will come up
42:46
Speaker 2: in therapy at some point. I don't know.
42:51
Speaker 3: I can understand that. Any other guilty pleasures for you?
42:56
Speaker 2: Ah, man, I'm pretty easy to doing. Guy. Like, my
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Speaker 2: wife and I watch our shows and we just chill.
43:04
Speaker 3: You know, you're getting very very close to saying I
43:07
Speaker 3: got to watch my programs. That's how you know you're
43:11
Speaker 3: got to watch my stories.
43:14
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I love I love my wife,
43:18
Speaker 2: and I get real critical. We'll be watching stuff like
43:22
Speaker 2: what do they think we are children? What is this writing?
43:26
Speaker 2: You know, like, it's just we're very judgmental. Man. One
43:31
Speaker 2: of my biggest pet peeves about my shows is when
43:35
Speaker 2: I get into something and I'm like, dude, how are
43:37
Speaker 2: they going to resolve this conflict? This is insane? Where
43:41
Speaker 2: is this going? And then they don't and they fail,
43:45
Speaker 2: and it's like, that's why you wrote such a complex story.
43:49
Speaker 2: You had no plan to get out of it. This
43:51
Speaker 2: is insulting to me. Don't waste my time.
43:54
Speaker 3: Isn't that frustrating? More and more shows are doing that
43:57
Speaker 3: now ever than before.
43:59
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, how many times are you going to
44:02
Speaker 2: go back and watch Game of Thrones knowing it ended
44:04
Speaker 2: so stupidly. I have no interest for me. I know
44:09
Speaker 2: what's looming in the distance is the dumbest last five
44:13
Speaker 2: episodes possible. Oh heah, wait till that comes, you know.
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Speaker 1: I'm just realizing true right now that like when we're
44:25
Speaker 1: sixty years old, So in what like thirty years, we're
44:28
Speaker 1: gonna be like, hey, I want to watch my program
44:31
Speaker 1: and we pull up YouTube to watch a vine compilation.
44:35
Speaker 2: A right, all right, probably vine compilations. Dude. Uh, you
44:42
Speaker 2: know what I get. I keep up down this weird
44:44
Speaker 2: rabbit hole of reaction videos, which is gotcha.
44:50
Speaker 1: I know you ever watch Doctor Mike?
44:53
Speaker 2: I know, I don't think I've watched Doctor Mike. I
44:57
Speaker 2: usually like I like watching like, uh, who are listening
45:00
Speaker 2: to a genre of music that they normally would and
45:02
Speaker 2: then it's like blows their mind or whatever.
45:05
Speaker 3: You can just tell you that they're black. It's okay,
45:07
Speaker 3: we get it.
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Speaker 1: No.
45:09
Speaker 2: I love it when people have never like do you
45:12
Speaker 2: know who? You know? Who? Hi? Lung is so like
45:17
Speaker 2: just Nordic. Okay, I'm gonna give you guys some homework
45:21
Speaker 2: for our show, all right, and all your little listeners
45:24
Speaker 2: out there. I want you to go on YouTube and
45:28
Speaker 2: I want you to look up high lung spelled h
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Speaker 2: E I l U n G okay, and look for
45:35
Speaker 2: the song and nowana a n o and oh a
45:41
Speaker 2: n o A n a oh.
45:44
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm familiar with this band.
45:47
Speaker 2: The live video now, don't watch it right now. This
45:51
Speaker 2: is this is your homework. The three of us, we
45:54
Speaker 2: were going to go to a show and we're gonna
45:57
Speaker 2: meet there. You guys don't know who they are. They're
45:59
Speaker 2: this band that I'm really into called Hilum. I got
46:02
Speaker 2: his tickets. I'll leave them for you at the door.
46:06
Speaker 2: Come on inside, you'll find me, okay. I want you
46:11
Speaker 2: to imagine that you're in this room looking for me
46:14
Speaker 2: or anyone for that matter, and then the band starts
46:18
Speaker 2: and I that's the kind of reactions that I like.
46:24
Speaker 2: So you get in on some of that stuff. Don't worry,
46:29
Speaker 2: You'll be okay, You'll be okay.
46:34
Speaker 3: I love that kind of stuff, dude. Yeah, yeah. My
46:39
Speaker 3: favorite is also like gen Z or Jen Alpha, listening
46:43
Speaker 3: to like music that everyone should have already heard already
46:47
Speaker 3: for the first time. So if you're like listening to
46:50
Speaker 3: like Fleetwood Mac Rumors album or something like that, and
46:53
Speaker 3: they're just like blowing away about how good it sounds.
46:56
Speaker 2: And so some and so reacts to Stairway to Heaven.
46:59
Speaker 2: I've never heard the song. Are you you're stunt up?
47:03
Speaker 2: You've heard it?
47:05
Speaker 3: It is refreshing to like see somebody like actually hear
47:08
Speaker 3: something great for the first time, though, you know.
47:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like, you know, people who've never heard Rage
47:14
Speaker 2: against the Machine had no idea that here. Yeah.
47:21
Speaker 1: I love when conservatives find out that Rage against Machine
47:24
Speaker 1: aren't Republicans like they find out that.
47:29
Speaker 3: No, but they had Donald Trump in one of their
47:31
Speaker 3: music videos.
47:32
Speaker 2: Dude, if you can direct me to that channel, I'll
47:35
Speaker 2: watch this shit all night, just rage baiting them alright
47:42
Speaker 2: in a in a cover band with with some guys
47:45
Speaker 2: and one of the dudes wanted to cover uh, killing
47:49
Speaker 2: in the Name of and sure, you know, dude, it'll
47:53
Speaker 2: be so fun. Like we're not doing that song. Yeah,
47:57
Speaker 2: it's just it's just a cuss word. It's just a song.
47:59
Speaker 2: But it's not it's not the language that I'm having a
48:02
Speaker 2: problem with. I'm not doing that song with you. You
48:08
Speaker 2: you don't know what that song is about. And that
48:11
Speaker 2: is insulting to the song.
48:13
Speaker 3: You were in Afghanistan?
48:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, dish anyway.
48:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, well all right, what did you like to plug? Sorry,
48:25
Speaker 3: what would you like to plug? Man?
48:27
Speaker 2: Come see the show. Everybody, come see the show. It'll
48:30
Speaker 2: be fun. We will play our old hearts out. I
48:35
Speaker 2: believe we're October fifth. It's fourth, fifth and sixth or something.
48:41
Speaker 2: We're the Saturday. We're the Saturday of that show. But
48:43
Speaker 2: come to the show. It'll be great.
48:45
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, and I did notice. You can also still
48:48
Speaker 3: get the vinyl that you guys re released Repressed, I
48:51
Speaker 3: should say repressed for the first time. Is it a
48:54
Speaker 3: real Yeah?
48:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, so un Original Vinyl has done a few pressings
49:00
Speaker 2: for us, and I'm sure we'll be talking to them
49:02
Speaker 2: about doing some because you know, pressing three hundred units
49:07
Speaker 2: or something like that, those things go pretty quick. So yeah,
49:10
Speaker 2: you know, there's at least three hundred people who still
49:12
Speaker 2: give a rats, so as long as there are, we'll
49:14
Speaker 2: make sure that we get on some records and stuff.
49:17
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, good, anything else?
49:21
Speaker 2: Come come come visit us on the Instagram page if
49:24
Speaker 2: you want stage stickers in there, or say hello to me.
49:27
Speaker 2: We can talk politics.
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Speaker 1: Good good, good, Mark anything else, you'd like to plug.
49:34
Speaker 2: No, man, I mean one of my I don't know
49:38
Speaker 2: what I'm plugging otherwise other than this show.
49:45
Speaker 1: Fair enough, you have you have anything about like the Raiders,
49:49
Speaker 1: no new news moving to Oakland or anything.
49:53
Speaker 2: No, I don't have anything about them moving Doukland. They're
49:55
Speaker 2: fine where they are.
49:57
Speaker 3: Insider knowledge as all.
50:00
Speaker 2: The side of information that I have for you is
50:02
Speaker 2: that my team might actually be watchable this year.
50:04
Speaker 3: So Mike being the keyword there. As long as as
50:08
Speaker 3: long as Pete Carroll has got all the gum in
50:12
Speaker 3: Henderson County, you'll be all.
50:13
Speaker 2: Right here our quarterback routine, they looked like he just
50:17
Speaker 2: found out that morning that he was playing. So as
50:20
Speaker 2: long as we're better than that, and I'm good.
50:23
Speaker 1: It reminds me, did you see that picture of the guy?
50:27
Speaker 1: I think he's like the like CIA guy that Trump
50:30
Speaker 1: like put in a charge of the CIA. Yeah, like
50:33
Speaker 1: his like his his like federal photo that they like
50:36
Speaker 1: post on the internet. I remember like when they initially
50:39
Speaker 1: posted that, you know, when like Trump was like doing
50:41
Speaker 1: his like head of cabinet or whatever people. But the
50:44
Speaker 1: photo that they posted him, it's just it's like so
50:47
Speaker 1: startling looking the way he looks and somebody like quote
50:50
Speaker 1: tweeted and said, it looks like he just found out
50:52
Speaker 1: that he like has this job.
50:58
Speaker 2: It's too I do the kid that he hired for
51:03
Speaker 2: the two year old or intelligence. Yeah, I mean.
51:07
Speaker 1: That's the oldest looking twenty two year old I'd ever seen.
51:10
Speaker 3: Didn't They say, like his only prior experience is like
51:12
Speaker 3: a bus boy or some shit.
51:14
Speaker 2: He was a gardener and a waiter, which I don't.
51:17
Speaker 2: I'm not disparaging that. I just know for sure that
51:20
Speaker 2: you would put the counter intelligence in the hands of
51:23
Speaker 2: a kid who literally has been driving for for for
51:28
Speaker 2: four years, just got legal to drink booze. Really, man,
51:33
Speaker 2: who knows.
51:34
Speaker 3: Maybe he's like, maybe he's some like a whiz kids savant.
51:38
Speaker 1: What they're doing, probably watches you play called duty.
51:41
Speaker 3: He probably doesn't.
51:43
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, they're watching everything they're doing, so it
51:46
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter. He's a disappointment. Yeah yeah, Yeah, yet
51:52
Speaker 2: another NPC that I get to deal with.
51:55
Speaker 1: You gotta at least make sure that if they're going
51:57
Speaker 1: to listen to you, make make sure it's entertaining for them.
51:59
Speaker 2: Right, well, I'll do my best.
52:03
Speaker 1: They make them regret listening to.
52:06
Speaker 2: You A malicious compliance related reactions.
52:15
Speaker 3: And we veiled threats the entire time, threats on the
52:19
Speaker 3: President's life in particular.
52:20
Speaker 1: You are not allowed to say I want to kill
52:24
Speaker 1: the president of the United States. It's highly only illegal,
52:28
Speaker 1: highly illegal. You cannot say that.
52:31
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that at all. I do
52:33
Speaker 2: want justice for the American people, man, I want justice
52:36
Speaker 2: for the people of this country and for the people
52:38
Speaker 2: of all the countries.
52:41
Speaker 3: Are yes, especially Candyland.
52:47
Speaker 2: Yeah that's me, Yeah, Cooky theology.
52:53
Speaker 3: I love it.
52:54
Speaker 1: Well, Mark, thanks for hanging out. It's always it's always
52:57
Speaker 1: a pleasure to hang out. We will see you in October.
52:59
Speaker 1: We'll give you a big hug. We'll give you a
53:00
Speaker 1: big bear hug. And we can't wait to see the
53:03
Speaker 1: Stafe Sacred Set. It's gonna be fun. We'll be jamming out.
53:06
Speaker 1: So thanks so much for hanging out. We'll see you soon.
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Speaker 2: Come to Furnace Fest and hang out with me, all right, Ma,