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The Kenny Report | 28 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: The shambles in Canberra as Labor rushes laws through, the
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Speaker 2: energy shambles continues and Peter Dutton calls for an election.
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Speaker 1: He won't have to wait too long.
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Speaker 2: In the Senate, the banned Senator Lydia Thorpe still manages
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Speaker 2: to cause a stir and disgrace herself yet again. One
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Speaker 2: of the new laws is the social media age limit.
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Speaker 2: I'll get the view from a child and adolescent psychologist,
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Speaker 2: Claire Row. Also the Environmental Defender's Office hit with a
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Speaker 2: huge legal bill. I'll cross to Israel and Tim Blair
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Speaker 2: and Mark Nicholson will wrap up the week.
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Speaker 1: Let's get started.
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Speaker 2: Parliament was a shambles today, a whole heap of bills
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Speaker 2: rushed through on the final day. It's still going the
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Speaker 2: guillotine debate and ill considered legislation will be passed and
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Speaker 2: just so that Labor is ready for an election early
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Speaker 2: next year. It's a joke that we end up with
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Speaker 2: this at the end. The opposition leader wanted to put
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Speaker 2: an end to it all early, so why not call
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Speaker 2: an election now to put Australians out of the miserly
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Speaker 2: and allow conpetent coalition government to get our country back
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Speaker 2: on track.
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Speaker 1: You'll never get to go, mate.
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Speaker 2: Well he will get a go and we'll all get
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Speaker 2: to vote certainly by May. I reckon put a circle
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Speaker 2: around April to twelfth, right in the middle of gather
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Speaker 2: round unfortunately.
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Speaker 1: But we'll see.
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Speaker 2: What I want to start with on tonight though, is
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Speaker 2: how this alban easy labor government.
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Speaker 1: Is having a lend of you.
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Speaker 2: It made big promises, but clearly it just doesn't care
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Speaker 2: about breaking them. Remember how Labor promised to reduce your
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Speaker 2: electricity bills. They even told us how much they would
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Speaker 2: go down.
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Speaker 3: By reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 4: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 4: a year.
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Speaker 1: Two hundred and seventy five dollars a year.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the supposed to be for next year,
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Speaker 2: which is five weeks away. And our power bills have
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Speaker 2: gone up, of course, and they've gone up by about
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Speaker 2: twice as much as they were supposed to go down.
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Speaker 2: But the Climate and Energy Minister Chris Bowen tried to
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Speaker 2: suggest that electricity bills had actually gone down today, He
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Speaker 2: reckons they've gone down because the government is paying rebates.
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Speaker 3: That's the impact of government policies, rebates, state and federal.
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Speaker 5: As we're getting on with the job.
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Speaker 6: We've got to remove rebates from that, because that's exactly
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Speaker 6: that's not what you promise into when you're promising the
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Speaker 6: televion seventy five dollars taxpase A is still paying.
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Speaker 5: For that, but Australians.
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Speaker 3: But Australians have received the rebates, Laura, if you've removed
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Speaker 3: Australians are receiving them.
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Speaker 6: If you remove that, how much is really coming.
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Speaker 3: Down by well going forward, what you're seeing is the impact.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Laura wasn't going to let him get away with
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Speaker 2: that arrogant obfuscation. Just a reminder, here's his clear promise
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Speaker 2: from three years ago.
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Speaker 3: We are releasing the most comprehensive modeling that any opposition
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Speaker 3: has ever commissioned and released to support a policy energy bills,
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Speaker 3: which will be two hundred and seventy five dollars for
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Speaker 3: the average house lower in twenty twenty five than today
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Speaker 3: and three hundred and seventy eight dollars lower by twenty
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Speaker 3: thirty five.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, like a used car salesman, isn't he? This is
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Speaker 2: just not going to happen. We can all see that
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Speaker 2: the situation is so bad that the government has had
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Speaker 2: to spend three and a half billion dollars, yes, billion
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Speaker 2: dollars on rebates, and that's handouts to power companies to
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Speaker 2: temporarily reduce the bills to customers and blackout. Bowen tries
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Speaker 2: to pretend that this is a successful energy policy and
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Speaker 2: that it keeps faith with voters.
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Speaker 6: You promise two hundred and seventy five dollars off their
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Speaker 6: bills by now in twenty twenty one. That hasn't happened.
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Speaker 6: And we can read all the reports, but the only
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Speaker 6: report people are reading is when their energy their bills
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Speaker 6: go in their letterbox right.
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Speaker 3: When they get and when they get those energy bills,
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Speaker 3: they're seeing a seventy five dollars a quarter rebate from
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Speaker 3: the Albanezi government. In some states they're seeing state route,
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Speaker 3: state official.
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Speaker 6: People who are it's their taxes.
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Speaker 3: I don't think people who keep saying coming off off
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Speaker 3: their energy bills regarded as artificial.
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Speaker 1: Oh, it's also funny for him, isn't it?
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Speaker 7: Now?
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Speaker 2: Two points on that first, customers are still.
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Speaker 1: Behind way behind paying more than they.
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Speaker 2: Were before the election, not two hundred and seventy five
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Speaker 2: dollars less. And second, the rebates expire after next year's election,
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Speaker 2: so after the election, electricity bills will spark up again.
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Speaker 2: So just forget anything that Chris Bowen says. His level
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Speaker 2: of smugness far exceeds his ability.
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Speaker 1: Or his honesty.
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Speaker 2: I mean, when we keep getting caught short of electricity
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Speaker 2: and when we face threats of blackouts right across the
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Speaker 2: coming summer, have a listen to what this minister says.
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Speaker 5: But here's the thing.
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Speaker 3: The least reliable part of our energy grid at the moment.
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Speaker 5: Is col firepower. That's just a statement of fact.
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Speaker 1: That is just arrant nonsense.
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Speaker 2: The only significant reliable energy source in Queensland, in New
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Speaker 2: South Wales and in Victoria now is coal.
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Speaker 1: Coal supplied more.
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Speaker 2: Than sixty percent of the power in the national electricity
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Speaker 2: grid yesterday and it's doing the same today. Coal is
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Speaker 2: the energy source Labor and the Greens have been deliberately
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Speaker 2: forcing out. The whole point of the renewables push has
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Speaker 2: been to force coal out, and it's worked. It's works
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Speaker 2: too well and too quickly, really, so that after subsidizing
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Speaker 2: renewables for more than a decade.
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Speaker 1: To force coal out.
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Speaker 2: Taxpayers in New South Wales and Victoria are now also
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Speaker 2: subsidizing coal to keep it going a couple of years
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Speaker 2: longer because we can't power the country without it. Try
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Speaker 2: to imagine the stupidity of this our national energy self harm.
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Speaker 2: And in South Australia, where they've already gotten rid of
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Speaker 2: all of their coal power and they have the most
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Speaker 2: renewable energy and the highest power prices, they are now
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Speaker 2: taking extreme efforts to keep gas generation going and to
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Speaker 2: get some more gas generation built. Taxpayers will now provide
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Speaker 2: gas power stations with assured revenue to allow owners to
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Speaker 2: start new developments. Yeah, in South Australia they are now
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Speaker 2: effectively going to subsidize gas so there's something to power
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Speaker 2: the state when the wind isn't blowing. So just to
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Speaker 2: recap on this, under the Labor and Green's energy madness,
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Speaker 2: we pour taxpayers have been subsidizing renewables to the tune
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Speaker 2: of tens of billions of dollars for the specific aim
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Speaker 2: of forcing coal and gas out.
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Speaker 1: But now that coal and gas are.
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Speaker 2: Economic and a lot of it shut down, our taxes
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Speaker 2: are subsidizing coal and gas too to keep them around
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Speaker 2: because renewables cannot do the job. What a disgrace, what lunacy,
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Speaker 2: And listen to the energy denial from the bloke in charge.
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Speaker 6: The only reason we've got the power on at the moment,
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Speaker 6: the only reliable system that you can call on is coal.
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Speaker 6: You can't tell me when the wind's going to blow
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Speaker 6: and the sun's going to shine.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I can't tell you when the rain's going
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Speaker 3: to fall either, Laura.
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Speaker 5: But we're doing every day.
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Speaker 6: That's what reliability issue, doesn't it?
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Speaker 3: It does, and that's why we're going to build that.
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Speaker 3: We are building the transmission and the storage and backed
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Speaker 3: by gas speaking when necessary to ensure a reliable system.
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Speaker 1: This bloke has got no idea what he's doing.
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Speaker 2: We don't have enough power and it costs too much,
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Speaker 2: and renewables cannot do the job and will never be
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Speaker 2: able to do the job.
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Speaker 1: If we have a normal.
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Speaker 2: Summer, we will face power shortages on hot days. That's
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Speaker 2: not how a first world nation is supposed to work.
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Speaker 1: And that's another reason labor is in for a world
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Speaker 1: of pain next year.
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Speaker 2: Now, I want to give you an update on a
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Speaker 2: controversy we discussed last night we looked at the indigenous
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Speaker 2: cultural heritage claims used to try to block a Santos
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Speaker 2: gas pipeline from the Barossa gas field off the Northern
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Speaker 2: Territory coast, and we showed you some of the examples
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Speaker 2: of how the Environmental Defenders offers, which is part funded
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Speaker 2: by the federal government by taxpayers, but we showed you
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Speaker 2: how to have been involved in concocting these indigenous here
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Speaker 2: atgage claims. Senator Justenter Nampa Jimpa Price was strong on
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Speaker 2: this probably.
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Speaker 8: One of the worst ways that you can disrespect, you know,
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Speaker 8: original people in this way, just by completely and utterly
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Speaker 8: fabricating dreaming stories. Absolutely, will we scrap funding for the
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Speaker 8: Environmental Defenders of us.
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Speaker 2: Well, the Federal Court today has handed down its costs
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Speaker 2: decision and it's bad news for the Environmental Defenders Office,
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Speaker 2: which has been ordered to pay all of the costs
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Speaker 2: that's more than nine million dollars to Santos for the
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Speaker 2: legal challenge it brought against the Barossa project. In a statement,
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Speaker 2: Santos said the court had found that indigenous instructions had
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Speaker 2: been distorted and manipulated before being presented to the court,
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Speaker 2: and that part of the applicant's case had been confected
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Speaker 2: or constructed there. It is a win for truth and
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Speaker 2: for this resources project, and a cautionary tail about two
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Speaker 2: things about the misuse of indigenous cultural heritage to block developments,
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Speaker 2: and about the Environmental Defender's Office where taxpayers money is
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Speaker 2: used to campaign against decisions made on behalf of taxpayers
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Speaker 2: by governments, or where taxpayers money is used to campaign
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Speaker 2: against the national interest.
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Speaker 1: This nine million dollar.
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Speaker 2: Legal bill could send the Environmental Defender's office broke, and
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Speaker 2: that would be a good thing. Tonight, I'm returning to
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Speaker 2: a question we've posed here a number of times, a
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Speaker 2: question that keeps being answered by the questioner herself, but
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Speaker 2: still leaves most voters and taxpayers dumbfounded by the lack
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Speaker 2: of corrective action. The question, of course, goes like this.
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Speaker 9: What kind of person do you think I am?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Senator Lydia Thorpe gave us another insight into that
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Speaker 2: question and how to answer it.
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Speaker 10: Yesterday, Lydia Thorpe ripped up Hanson's motion and threw it
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Speaker 10: in her face before making her feelings known as she
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Speaker 10: left the chamber.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's that sort of person, A shocker, And it
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Speaker 2: was so bad that the Senate passed the motion.
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Speaker 1: To suspend her for the rest of the sitting.
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Speaker 2: That meant she was not allowed to attend the Senate
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Speaker 2: today and this morning she feigned ignorance.
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Speaker 1: About how all this happened and what it meant.
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Speaker 11: Well, no one tells me the rules around here until
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Speaker 11: I break them. I think they make it up as
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Speaker 11: they go along, and that's part of the problem.
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Speaker 1: Really, poor Senator Hayme.
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Speaker 2: After her morning TV interviews, Thorpe turned up in the
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Speaker 2: media gallery that overlooks the Senate, and while she wasn't
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Speaker 2: officially in the Senate chamber, her voice was certainly heard.
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Speaker 1: Pasta I called a clerk.
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Speaker 5: I call the clerk.
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Speaker 1: So we're left to wonder yet again, what kind of.
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Speaker 9: Person do you think? I am?
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Speaker 1: Well, I think Thorpe is this kind of person.
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Speaker 9: Do not now land that dotify this style from that?
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Speaker 1: And I think she's this kind of person.
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Speaker 9: Anyone name that stands with the what do you know?
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Speaker 4: Me?
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Speaker 1: And as you all know, she's also this kind of person.
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Speaker 2: And I guess most of all, she's a very aggressive
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Speaker 2: and divisive kind of person.
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Speaker 1: This is our.
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Speaker 2: And despite all this, and believe me, we could go
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Speaker 2: on for a lot longer with more examples, we still
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Speaker 2: have Thorpe pretending to be hard done by.
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Speaker 9: What kind of person do you think I am?
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Speaker 2: Well, Thorpe is the sort of person who gets into
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Speaker 2: the Senate on the back of the Greens party vote,
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Speaker 2: then breaks from the Greens and stays in the Senate
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Speaker 2: for a full six year term on a package worth
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Speaker 2: about three hundred thousand dollars a year until she finally
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Speaker 2: faces voters under her own banner.
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Speaker 1: That won't be.
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Speaker 2: Until twenty twenty eight, when, no doubt she will fade
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Speaker 2: into obscurity. But until then, she seems determined to continue
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Speaker 2: portraying herself as a victim and making ridiculous claims.
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Speaker 11: If it was a fair and equal workplace.
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Speaker 1: Without racist.
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Speaker 11: Then we would have a much happier Senate and we'd all,
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Speaker 11: you know, be able to get along, okay, to get
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Speaker 11: the business done. But you know, it seems like there's
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Speaker 11: one rule for white people who get away with racism,
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Speaker 11: and there's one rule for us when we call that out,
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Speaker 11: we're the ones that are, you know, the naughty little
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Speaker 11: black girl again.
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Speaker 2: Well, no, you're an idiot and a rat bag, and
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Speaker 2: you seek attention and you get it. No one's ever
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Speaker 2: made nearly as much of your Aboriginal heritage as you have.
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Speaker 2: Remember Thoughpe once said she was picked on at airport
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Speaker 2: security because she was Indigenous. And it's just tiresome a
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Speaker 2: perpetual victim.
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Speaker 11: I will not stand there or sit there and be
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Speaker 11: silent when people of color are being attacked with racism.
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Speaker 1: It is violent, it hurts.
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Speaker 2: But the thing about Thorpe is that she gets this attention,
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Speaker 2: how could you ignore it? And she stirs up other
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Speaker 2: senators and standards plumber.
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Speaker 1: It's not all her doing, of course, but she sure helps.
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Speaker 1: You're not just vindictive, mean nasty.
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Speaker 9: You bring disgrace to the human race. I'm a cold
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Speaker 9: So the glasses it down.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 12: Today we bring the People's protest into Parliament, Free, Free Palestine.
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Speaker 3: They engage the most loopy, far right, extremist and kooky views.
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Speaker 10: I'm quite happy to remove this because this is not
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Speaker 10: what should belong in this parliament.
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Speaker 1: For a circus.
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Speaker 2: This is why a number of commentators and politicians I
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Speaker 2: notice now is starting to use the analogy I first
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Speaker 2: wrote about in the column about a decade ago, and
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Speaker 2: that is that the Senate increasingly looks like that bar
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Speaker 2: scene with.
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Speaker 1: All the crazy characters in Star Wars. He doesn't like you.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't like you either.
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Speaker 5: You just watch yourself.
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Speaker 1: We want it. Then I have the death sentence on
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Speaker 1: twelve systems.
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Speaker 5: I'll be careful.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd want to be careful in the Senate, wouldn't you.
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Speaker 2: You never know what kind of person you could run into.
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Speaker 2: We can all see the problem, and people around the
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Speaker 2: country are furious to be paying for Lydia Thorpe's salary,
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Speaker 2: for instance.
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Speaker 1: But what's the solution.
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Speaker 2: Well, I reckon there are two clear solutions, and they
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Speaker 2: both require constitutional change and therefore a referendum. The first
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Speaker 2: change we need to make is that when someone leaves
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Speaker 2: the party under which they were elected to the Senate,
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Speaker 2: then they should have to leave the Senate and that
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Speaker 2: place should then be filled by that party. And second,
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Speaker 2: and I think this is more important and it's more
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Speaker 2: attractive too, for all kinds of reasons, we need a
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Speaker 2: smaller Senate. We need to change the constitution so that
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Speaker 2: we have a Senate of say six senators each for
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Speaker 2: each state, not twelve, and maybe just one for each
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Speaker 2: of the territories instead of two. Half the size with
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Speaker 2: fewer senators, the quota for election will be twice as
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Speaker 2: large and only people or parties with broad support will
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Speaker 2: be elected. And the bonuses we end up with thirty
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Speaker 2: eight fewer politicians. Now, that's a referendum that all voters
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Speaker 2: could get behind. The trouble is the referendum bill would
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Speaker 2: never get through the Senate. Let's go to a senator
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Speaker 2: now and catch up with Bridget mackenzie, who's the National's
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Speaker 2: Senate leader, joining us live from Canberra. What are shambles
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Speaker 2: you've been going through there?
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Speaker 1: The Star Wars bar scene.
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Speaker 2: It must be funny to be sitting in the Senate
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Speaker 2: and seeing all these idiots around you when a taxpayer
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Speaker 2: is going to see some decorum and civil debate in
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Speaker 2: that place.
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Speaker 13: Well, to continue with the Star Wars theme, Chris, you
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Speaker 13: know these are not the senators you're looking for. And
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Speaker 13: I think we can absolutely say that there have been
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Speaker 13: senators that have not really upheld the standards that we expect,
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Speaker 13: that the Chamber itself expects, and nor the Australian public expect.
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Speaker 13: And so the Chamber has done the right thing by
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Speaker 13: censoring and indeed suspending Senator Lydia Thorpe. You recall, you
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Speaker 13: know we all saw the appalling display when the King, now,
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Speaker 13: whether you're a constitutional monarchist or a republican constitutionally, that's
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Speaker 13: our head of state right now. Saying that you know,
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Speaker 13: it's all based on colonial structures and racism, et cetera,
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Speaker 13: et cetera, is false and actually needs.
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Speaker 1: To be called out.
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Speaker 5: And we've about to perform.
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Speaker 13: A really fundamental part of our framework and our democracy,
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Speaker 13: and we need to protect them.
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Speaker 1: What about shrinking the size of the Senate?
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Speaker 2: I mean, as locked in to grow along with the
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Speaker 2: size of the House.
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Speaker 1: Shouldn't we have a smaller Senate.
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Speaker 2: Like a lot of other federations do, so that you
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Speaker 2: actually have to get a broad voting base to get
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Speaker 2: into the Senate.
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Speaker 13: Well, I think the great difference between our two chambers, Chris,
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Speaker 13: and I don't agree with you, and it's not just
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Speaker 13: because I'm a senator. I don't think the House of
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Speaker 13: Representatives is incredibly representative of the diversity of political thinking.
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Speaker 5: In our country. The Senate actually is. And by making it.
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Speaker 13: The political party's chamber, which in your opening remarks you
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Speaker 13: seem to want to do, it turns away from it
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Speaker 13: being the price of federation, which is a state's chamber.
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Speaker 13: I do think we need to focus on making it
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Speaker 13: so we uphold the standards that.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't do.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't operate as a states chamber in any way,
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Speaker 2: shape or form any longer. And with the twelve senators
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Speaker 2: in a state the size of Tasmania, for instance, you're
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Speaker 2: getting sentences elected by you know, a couple of social
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Speaker 2: clubs at the local pub. I mean, I'm not saying
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Speaker 2: to shrink it down to two, but if you had
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Speaker 2: it back to six on a day when there's a
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Speaker 2: double dissolution, you don't need twelve percent for a quota.
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Speaker 13: I'm well, Chris, I think the Senate Chamber is much
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Speaker 13: more reflective of the diversity of political thought in the
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Speaker 13: Australian Yeah, I reckon, And it looks lucky.
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Speaker 1: I reckon. It looks like it looks like a menagerie
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Speaker 1: to me.
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Speaker 5: For good or for real.
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Speaker 13: But it does perform a very critical role that the
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Speaker 13: House doesn't do. So I think it is about us
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Speaker 13: upholding the systems and the tradition and actually acting on
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Speaker 13: bad behavior. Your thoughte, this wasn't her first rodeo, and
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Speaker 13: maybe had the Senate acted swiftly and strongly when it
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Speaker 13: first started.
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Speaker 1: A bit like a toddler, you.
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Speaker 13: Can actually ensure behavior improves over time.
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Speaker 2: I was hoping for too much, I know, for politicians
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Speaker 2: to vote for there to be fewer politicians. But one
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Speaker 2: politician who's made a surprise exit today is your Senate leader,
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Speaker 2: or your coalition Senate leader, and Simon Birmingham here he
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Speaker 2: is earlier this afternoon.
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Speaker 14: Some will be kind enough to be disappointed to see
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Speaker 14: me go, Maybe only a rear few, but some. To them,
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Speaker 14: I am sorry, especially to those who feel that I'm
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Speaker 14: letting them or the team down at this time. Others,
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Speaker 14: as is the nature of this business, will be delighted
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Speaker 14: to see the back of me.
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Speaker 2: So off he goes the Senate leader for the Liberals.
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Speaker 2: You I've known him a long while. I think I
21:34
Speaker 2: was there the day he got pre selected in South Australia,
21:36
Speaker 2: almost twenty years ago. He's only fifty him going out
21:40
Speaker 2: now to embark on a new career. Isn't that a
21:44
Speaker 2: bad sign on the eve of an election. Isn't that
21:46
Speaker 2: almost advertising to the country that he doesn't think the
21:50
Speaker 2: coalition will win?
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Speaker 5: Not at all.
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Speaker 13: I think it shows that Simon, who's a father of
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Speaker 13: two teenage girls and a hard work wife.
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Speaker 1: Has been in.
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Speaker 13: Politics at the lofty leadership level for a very very
22:06
Speaker 13: long time, and after seventeen years, is moving and turning fifty,
22:09
Speaker 13: is moving on to other things. I think he's chosen
22:12
Speaker 13: the right time to go to embed the next leader
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Speaker 13: of the opposition and off we go, I mean leader
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Speaker 13: of the Liberals as leader of the Nationals in the Senate.
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Speaker 13: You know, we've had to negotiate a lot of both
22:26
Speaker 13: ends of the coalition, shall we say, in government and
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Speaker 13: in opposition, and Simon's going to be a loss because
22:32
Speaker 13: he is a really really good human being who's tried
22:36
Speaker 13: to make a difference in every role.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, wish him and his wife.
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Speaker 1: Courtney will and we will move on.
22:43
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Bridget, I appreciate it. National Senate
22:46
Speaker 2: Leader Bridget mackenzie. There, this is a very good opportunity
22:49
Speaker 2: for Peter Dutton though, to put Dave Sharma, the new
22:52
Speaker 2: South Wales Liberal Senate senator, into that shadow foreign affairs portfolio.
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Speaker 1: He's shown great leadership.
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Speaker 2: On foreign policy in his time I'm in the Senate,
23:00
Speaker 2: of course, Australia's former ambassador to Israel.
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Speaker 1: He's young, he's smart.
23:06
Speaker 2: He's energetic and he ought to go straight into that
23:09
Speaker 2: Foreign Affairs shadow portfolio that Simon Birmingham will be leaving,
23:16
Speaker 2: and indeed Dave Sharma will then be Foreign Minister if
23:19
Speaker 2: the Coalition can win next year. But that's the switch
23:22
Speaker 2: I'd be making. We'll see what happens. I want to
23:24
Speaker 2: go to what's happened when it comes to the bills
23:27
Speaker 2: going through Parliament today and Australia will become the first
23:30
Speaker 2: country to ban under sixteens from social media, with Labour's
23:34
Speaker 2: bill said to be rushed through the Senate tonight.
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Speaker 1: It won't come into effect until twenty twenty six, and there's.
23:39
Speaker 2: Still a lot of detail up in the air, including
23:42
Speaker 2: how it's going to be enforced. So let me bring
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Speaker 2: in Child an Adolescent psychologist Claire Row again on this
23:47
Speaker 2: is you good to talk to you, Claire. You're supportive
23:50
Speaker 2: of this move, even though you, like me, think it's
23:52
Speaker 2: really up to parents to police this with their kids.
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Speaker 1: But gee, the bill's going to rush through.
23:58
Speaker 2: And it's still take us a year to really work
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Speaker 2: out how this is going to be implemented, especially by
24:05
Speaker 2: the digital giants.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I was going to say, Chris, my apologies to
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Speaker 10: your viewers who think this is the end of the
24:13
Speaker 10: talk about social media, because it's just starting, and I
24:16
Speaker 10: think twenty twenty five will be about finding out all
24:19
Speaker 10: the detail that is missing. I found myself surprisingly I
24:24
Speaker 10: was agreeing with Jackie Lamby's comments that I just did
24:27
Speaker 10: not understand why this had to be so rushed in
24:30
Speaker 10: the last week of Parliament when it doesn't come into effect,
24:33
Speaker 10: as you said, until twenty twenty six anyway, and I
24:37
Speaker 10: just can't see why they couldn't have come back when
24:39
Speaker 10: Parliament resumes next year just to flesh out the details.
24:43
Speaker 10: It was only tabled this bill last week and it
24:47
Speaker 10: was literally thousands of submissions from consultants and experts. I
24:52
Speaker 10: just can't see how any MP or senator had time
24:55
Speaker 10: to go through that and think about this.
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Speaker 1: But here we are.
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Speaker 10: It is a world first. Is this government overreach? I
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Speaker 10: think this is a parenting problem and a parenting solution therefore,
25:13
Speaker 10: but I'm working at the front of seeing kids every day.
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Speaker 10: This is literally killing our kids and parents are feeling.
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Speaker 1: Helpless to do it.
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Speaker 10: So in the end I was a supporter, but what
25:25
Speaker 10: I do have those reservations, and if the reservations about
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Speaker 10: how it's going to be implemented digital ideas and all
25:32
Speaker 10: of that.
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Speaker 2: I think the answer to your question is just politics, right,
25:34
Speaker 2: the government desperately needed to achieve something, say that, achieve something.
25:38
Speaker 2: The coalition didn't want to stall on this, they'd pushed
25:41
Speaker 2: the idea to start with.
25:42
Speaker 1: So it's just politics.
25:43
Speaker 2: Voting for it now, and we're going to be thrashing
25:46
Speaker 2: all that detail out after the legislation has passed, instead
25:49
Speaker 2: of doing it normal around, the normal way around, and
25:52
Speaker 2: having committees looking at all that before it's passed.
25:54
Speaker 1: But there we are.
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Speaker 2: I suppose that My other question to you then, is
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Speaker 2: your advice to parents. This won't become law or effective
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Speaker 2: for at least a year. In the meantime, parents shouldn't
26:04
Speaker 2: give up, right, There's all sorts of tactics you can
26:06
Speaker 2: employ to try and protect your kids from the worst
26:09
Speaker 2: aspects of social media.
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Speaker 10: Oh, one hundred percent. And I am thrilled that this
26:14
Speaker 10: spill has even got this conversation going and parents are
26:18
Speaker 10: feeling a little bit more emboldened already. I'm already seeing
26:20
Speaker 10: parents saying, well, this is kind to come into effect.
26:23
Speaker 10: So my kid turns twelve next year, thirteen next year,
26:26
Speaker 10: they're not getting it because this is not going to
26:28
Speaker 10: be grandfathered in. So I'm telling parents now, don't give
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Speaker 10: them the social media now because you'll have a hell
26:34
Speaker 10: of a time trying to get off them in a
26:35
Speaker 10: year or two. And at the end of the day,
26:38
Speaker 10: I'm pushing parents like I always have, just not to
26:40
Speaker 10: give kids smartphones at twelve years old.
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Speaker 1: Don't do it. Don't do it as long as you can.
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Speaker 10: I think by them another year or two, as long
26:48
Speaker 10: as you can dumb phones.
26:50
Speaker 2: I've gone for my tween ager. We've given him an
26:52
Speaker 2: Apple Watch right so that we can contact. There's texting
26:56
Speaker 2: and contact, but no social media. That to me is
26:59
Speaker 2: a pretty good solution for now. We'll see how long
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Speaker 2: we last. Thanks for joining us, Claire. I appreciate a
27:03
Speaker 2: Claire row there, who's fantastic to talk to about these issues.
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Speaker 1: As always, we're going to get to a break.
27:08
Speaker 2: On the other side, i'd go live to Israel, where
27:11
Speaker 2: we're twenty four hours into this ceasefire with Hezbalara.
27:14
Speaker 1: Now there's a focus on what can be.
27:16
Speaker 2: Done with Gaza Hamas in Gaza also talk more about
27:20
Speaker 2: energy bills and how they're hurting small businesses. It's just
27:28
Speaker 2: over twenty four hours now since the ceasefire took effect
27:31
Speaker 2: between Israel and Hezbollah.
27:33
Speaker 1: Here's the latest from sky News UK.
27:39
Speaker 15: Just hours after the ceasefire began in Lebanon and the
27:42
Speaker 15: display to take into the roads with their possessions to
27:45
Speaker 15: head back to their villages in the south of the country.
27:50
Speaker 15: Under the deal, Hezbola will move its heavy weapons north
27:53
Speaker 15: of the Litani River, whilst Israeli troops will withdraw from
27:57
Speaker 15: southern Lebanon entirely. But Israel is making clear it reserves
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Speaker 15: the right to attack if there are breaches to the agreement.
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Speaker 2: That's bringing Gerald Steinberg, professor of politics at Bar Alan
28:13
Speaker 2: University in Israel, good to speak to you again.
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Speaker 1: Gerald.
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Speaker 2: Tell me about the reaction firstly from the Israeli population
28:21
Speaker 2: to this ceasefire. Obviously it's good news, but I imagine there
28:24
Speaker 2: wouldn't be any elation. You've all seen this movie so
28:27
Speaker 2: many times before.
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Speaker 7: Certainly have been through this before and it didn't end well.
28:33
Speaker 7: Israel fought to work with Kibala. Chibala is an Iranian proxy.
28:37
Speaker 7: The Iranian goal is very clear. It is to wipe
28:40
Speaker 7: Israel after the earth. That hasn't changed there's a ceasefire,
28:43
Speaker 7: a local ceasefire with his Balain Lebanon. There's no peace
28:47
Speaker 7: framework at all, there's no negotiation with Iran, who's running
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Speaker 7: all of this. Ribala had tremendous forces, tremendous in the
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Speaker 7: sense of really very destructive forces.
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Speaker 1: They were posed to.
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Speaker 7: Do a raid attacking against Israel, much greater than Kamas
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Speaker 7: than in October seventh, twenty twenty three. And we all
29:04
Speaker 7: saw the atrocities then, So it could be much much
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Speaker 7: worse if.
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Speaker 1: Kiballa was allowed to do that.
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Speaker 7: So Israel, the Israeli populations sees this as a victory.
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Speaker 7: His Bala has been very much wicked. It can no
29:16
Speaker 7: longer do the type of attacks that it was planning
29:19
Speaker 7: to do, but it still maintains a lot of rockets,
29:22
Speaker 7: a lot of capability, and it's still playing the game
29:25
Speaker 7: of infiltrating its own forces, its terror forces, under the
29:28
Speaker 7: guys of civilians back into southern Lebanon. This truce may
29:32
Speaker 7: not last very long.
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Speaker 2: There's a couple of things on this that really stand
29:35
Speaker 2: out to May. One is there's got to be some
29:37
Speaker 2: sanction against Iran or some guarantees from Iran. As you said,
29:41
Speaker 2: I've played no role in this, at least outwardly. But secondly,
29:45
Speaker 2: all of that area in the south of Lebanon has previously,
29:48
Speaker 2: under the United Nations Security Council Resolution supposed to have
29:52
Speaker 2: been cleared of hamas by you and the peacekeepers, if
29:57
Speaker 2: you like.
29:57
Speaker 1: Yet obviously they failed to do that.
29:59
Speaker 2: There was some many weapons and so much hes Bala
30:03
Speaker 2: personnel and equipment there. We need to see a better
30:08
Speaker 2: effort surely from the UN to police southern Lebanon and
30:12
Speaker 2: make sure that Hezballah don't move back.
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Speaker 7: In most Israelis, and I think most of the people
30:18
Speaker 7: around the world who look at what's going on, including
30:20
Speaker 7: in Australia, have to see the United Nations as an
30:23
Speaker 7: entirely failed instrument.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 7: In the end of the two thousand and six four
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Speaker 7: eighteen years ago, there was an agreement that UNIFIL United
30:34
Speaker 7: Nations International Force Monitoring and Ceasefire Force would prevent Risbala
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Speaker 7: according to UN Resolution seventeen oh one, from using southern Lebanon,
30:46
Speaker 7: the forty kilometers north of the Israeli border, as a
30:50
Speaker 7: base for attacking Israel.
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Speaker 5: That was totally unenforced.
30:53
Speaker 7: The French forces, other European forces are there, the Irish, Spanish,
30:58
Speaker 7: others failed.
30:59
Speaker 5: To do their job.
30:59
Speaker 7: They were intimidated about Kiala Chisbala said, if you don't
31:02
Speaker 7: let us do what we want to do, bring in
31:04
Speaker 7: the weapons and we can attack Israelis, then we're going
31:06
Speaker 7: to shoot you and we're going to attack you. So
31:08
Speaker 7: of course they just ignored the whole thing. They played
31:10
Speaker 7: like they didn't see anything. So this is going to
31:13
Speaker 7: change completely, and most Israeli is very skeptical that it's
31:16
Speaker 7: going to change. It's the same actors. It's the same
31:18
Speaker 7: international what it's called the International Community. It's the same UN,
31:22
Speaker 7: which is blind to Iranian proxy forces, using Lebanese territory,
31:27
Speaker 7: using Gaza, using Yemen, using other parts of the world
31:31
Speaker 7: to attack Israelis. The UN is a huge failure in
31:34
Speaker 7: many respects.
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Speaker 1: And this is just briefly.
31:37
Speaker 2: At the other end of the country is a surrender
31:39
Speaker 2: from Hamas any closer.
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Speaker 7: I don't think the term surrender is applicable here. Hamas
31:46
Speaker 7: has been greatly reduced in its capability, doesn't really have
31:49
Speaker 7: much of a leadership, but they're still holding approximately one
31:52
Speaker 7: hundred Israeli hostages after something like four hundred.
31:55
Speaker 1: And eighteen days.
31:57
Speaker 7: Can you imagine the terrible conditions that those hostages are
32:00
Speaker 7: being held in, and we don't know who is holding them.
32:04
Speaker 7: We don't know and not publicly, and I don't think
32:06
Speaker 7: intelligence sources now, So there's got to be a fundamental change.
32:09
Speaker 7: And maybe the fact that Bala has essentially dropped out
32:13
Speaker 7: of the war cause Bala said we're going in to
32:15
Speaker 7: help our allies Commas, those terrorists and Gaza, and that
32:19
Speaker 7: was over a year ago. Kase Bala has dropped out.
32:22
Speaker 7: They've essentially been defeated by Israel, at least for now.
32:25
Speaker 7: It's comas capable now of maintaining this war that they've
32:29
Speaker 7: had with Israel, and that's the question. So it's possible
32:32
Speaker 7: that we will start to see individual groups from the
32:35
Speaker 7: Kamas Gaza framework let some of their hostages release. That's
32:39
Speaker 7: the Israeli hope, that's what they're working on.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the hype all around the world. Surely, thanks
32:43
Speaker 2: so much for joining us, Jared. I appreciate Gerald Steinberg.
32:46
Speaker 2: They're professor of politics at Batilan University. Let's bring it
32:50
Speaker 2: back to domestic concerns now, and I want to talk
32:52
Speaker 2: to Amanda Rose from small business women in Australia.
32:54
Speaker 1: She joins US live from Canberra. Good to talk to
32:57
Speaker 1: you again, Amanda.
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Speaker 2: I just wanted to get you a perspective on two things,
33:00
Speaker 2: because we've seen statistics that are alarming about the number
33:04
Speaker 2: of businesses closing down in this country, mostly small businesses
33:08
Speaker 2: of course, and at the same time we've got this
33:10
Speaker 2: ongoing shambles of a threat to our electricity supplies and
33:14
Speaker 2: electricity prices going up. I would suggest that these two
33:18
Speaker 2: stories are not unrelated.
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Speaker 16: No, and what's really concerning is the fact that businesses
33:26
Speaker 16: closing down every single day. It doesn't seem to impact
33:31
Speaker 16: government enough. They're not concerned enough to say, actually, these
33:34
Speaker 16: are people's livelihoods. This isn't a side hustle that's closing down.
33:38
Speaker 16: This is people's income, which means that they've shut down,
33:42
Speaker 16: they don't have an income, and their employees no longer
33:44
Speaker 16: have a job, which increases unemployment and that is devastating.
33:48
Speaker 16: And with electricity, you know, the comment to say please
33:52
Speaker 16: don't use electricity as much. I'm not quite sure what
33:55
Speaker 16: they expect from retail and hospitality. Do people eat raw
33:59
Speaker 16: meat because they can't use the cooker? Do they eat
34:01
Speaker 16: in candlelight. What it's saying to people is have your
34:05
Speaker 16: capacity to earn money in your business during these hours. Again,
34:10
Speaker 16: this is someone's livelihood. We really need to take this
34:13
Speaker 16: more seriously. All governments need to because the second they
34:17
Speaker 16: don't bring in a certain amount of money, Now remember
34:19
Speaker 16: a lot of them aren't bringing in a profit, cannot
34:21
Speaker 16: pay themselves, they're just making it with their expenses.
34:25
Speaker 1: As soon as.
34:26
Speaker 16: They go, then the communities get hurt because the unemployment
34:30
Speaker 16: goes up. But also small businesses donate to their local
34:33
Speaker 16: communities during tough times, which is what we're seeing right now.
34:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
34:37
Speaker 2: Now it's obvious, of course what power prices would do
34:40
Speaker 2: to small businesses, just another cost pressure on them. But
34:44
Speaker 2: as you've hinted there, the unreliability of power, the threat
34:48
Speaker 2: of blackouts, the actuality of blackouts can really disrupt them
34:52
Speaker 2: as well. It can knock them out of business for
34:55
Speaker 2: hours at a time. In South Australia, of course, that
34:58
Speaker 2: horrible blackout statewide bloe out they had eight years ago
35:01
Speaker 2: caused something like three or four hundred million dollars damage
35:05
Speaker 2: to business. So how would Earth small businesses be looking
35:08
Speaker 2: forward to the summer months here and on the East
35:10
Speaker 2: Coast with threats of blackouts exactly.
35:14
Speaker 16: And you look at the increase in electricity or energy
35:17
Speaker 16: prices in general. So Victoria's gone up thirty percent, but
35:20
Speaker 16: let's look at where it gets the hottest, in rural
35:22
Speaker 16: regional and in Western Sydney. So they're the ones that
35:26
Speaker 16: are going to be at risk. Don't we think that
35:28
Speaker 16: they're at risk enough already? They're suffering already with the
35:31
Speaker 16: cost of living crisis and trying to survive. So we
35:34
Speaker 16: really need to take this seriously. Instead of the rhetorica
35:38
Speaker 16: of where changing energy it's great for the future, we
35:42
Speaker 16: need to actually be looking at the now. We need
35:44
Speaker 16: to protect families, small businesses now so they're established and
35:48
Speaker 16: they can actually grow into the future because they will
35:51
Speaker 16: pass on those businesses to their children. And that's what
35:53
Speaker 16: we want to.
35:54
Speaker 1: Say, Yes, indeed we do. Thanks for joining us, Amanda.
35:57
Speaker 2: I appreciate that Amanda rose there from Small business Women Australia.
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Speaker 2: As Chris Jelman said, electricity isn't just a big part
36:04
Speaker 2: of our economy. Electricity is our economy. You have to
36:08
Speaker 2: get it right and blackout Bowen is not getting it right.
36:12
Speaker 2: I have more after the break about him defending his
36:16
Speaker 2: promise is broken, promise to cut power prices.
36:25
Speaker 1: Now.
36:26
Speaker 2: I remember yesterday Chris Bowen and other labor ministers were
36:29
Speaker 2: telling us not to use electricity because it's hot and
36:32
Speaker 2: we don't have enough electricity under their renewables plus storage push,
36:37
Speaker 2: so could we please not use our air conditioners and
36:40
Speaker 2: our dishwashers or whatever. Well, today Chris Bowen was trying
36:43
Speaker 2: to tell us that because he spent three and a
36:46
Speaker 2: half billion dollars of your money on energy rebates, that
36:50
Speaker 2: electricity prices are actually going down.
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Speaker 6: Have a look, you promised two hundred and seventy five
36:56
Speaker 6: dollars off their bills by now in two thousand and
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Speaker 6: two twenty one. That hasn't happened. And we can read
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Speaker 6: all the reports, but the only report people are reading
37:05
Speaker 6: is when their energy their bills go in their letterbox right.
37:09
Speaker 3: When they get and when they get those energy bills,
37:12
Speaker 3: they're seeing a seventy five dollars a quarter rebate from
37:14
Speaker 3: the Albanezi government.
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Speaker 5: In some stations, they're seeing state state.
37:18
Speaker 6: Official people who are it's their taxes.
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Speaker 3: I don't think people who keep seeing it coming off
37:25
Speaker 3: off their energy bills regarded as artificial.
37:28
Speaker 2: He thinks it's all so funny because he doesn't have
37:31
Speaker 2: to worry about his power bill. Laura j saw right
37:34
Speaker 2: through it, and I think most voters are going to
37:36
Speaker 2: see right through it. Let me bring in Keith Pitt,
37:38
Speaker 2: the Nationals MP and former Resources minister, joining us live
37:41
Speaker 2: from Parliament House in Canberra.
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Speaker 1: This is astonishing, isn't it, Keith.
37:45
Speaker 2: I mean we've got this threats of blackouts that we
37:47
Speaker 2: know we're going to have to put up with all
37:48
Speaker 2: through summer. Our power prices have gone through the roof.
37:51
Speaker 2: It's pushing families and businesses to the wall.
37:54
Speaker 1: And you have that Climate and Energy.
37:56
Speaker 2: Minister laughing about it and telling Australia that actually prices
38:00
Speaker 2: are going down.
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Speaker 17: Of Chris Brown's trying to tell you the equivalent that
38:05
Speaker 17: oranges are turnips. Chris, it is just outright ridiculous. He's
38:10
Speaker 17: now saying I just saw a statement in the House
38:12
Speaker 17: that coal is now becoming the most unreliable source of
38:15
Speaker 17: power after it's been incredibly reliable for decades and it
38:18
Speaker 17: admitted when Soldo drops out every single day. Now the
38:21
Speaker 17: people of New South Wales are catching up with reality.
38:24
Speaker 17: It is hitting them not only in their bills, but
38:26
Speaker 17: in the fact that the lights are going out. But
38:28
Speaker 17: we've had emergency load shedding around New South Wales in
38:31
Speaker 17: the last few days.
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Speaker 2: This is just incredible though this is war is peace,
38:37
Speaker 2: Ignorance is knowledge. Stuff from Bowen to say that coal
38:40
Speaker 2: is the problem, that coal is unreliable.
38:42
Speaker 1: The only thing.
38:44
Speaker 2: Saving us is the fact that subsidies are keeping coal
38:47
Speaker 2: going because the renewables experiment is so far disastrous.
38:53
Speaker 17: Hundreds of millions of dollars from the New South Wales
38:56
Speaker 17: Labor government to keep a ring online.
38:58
Speaker 1: And if you want to.
38:59
Speaker 17: Talk about reliable, the Guinness World Record is held by
39:02
Speaker 17: Stanbile Corporation in rock Hampton. One of their units ran
39:05
Speaker 17: for almost three years. Now, that sounds pretty reliable to me.
39:08
Speaker 17: But if you don't maintain them, and three units were
39:11
Speaker 17: off for maintenance and that was scheduled, Amy knew about it.
39:14
Speaker 1: You've had a.
39:14
Speaker 17: Couple that had a hiccup and that happens. But in
39:17
Speaker 17: a bit and what win in Sola fails every single
39:19
Speaker 17: day and you can't rely on batteries for backup, it
39:23
Speaker 17: just won't work. And what's happening well, prices that are
39:25
Speaker 17: pretty good indicator they're going through the roof, and Chris
39:28
Speaker 17: Allman and his documentary special got it absolutely right.
39:32
Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't picking up my phone to text a
39:35
Speaker 2: message to my wife when I while I'm interviewing you.
39:37
Speaker 2: I grabbed it just to check on the national electricity
39:40
Speaker 2: market because at the moment is up to date app
39:43
Speaker 2: shows is exactly what's going on. At the moment, over
39:46
Speaker 2: sixty three percent of the electricity in the national electricity
39:50
Speaker 2: market is coming from coal and gas, more than half
39:53
Speaker 2: of the more than fifty two percent of it from coal,
39:56
Speaker 2: and only seven point seven percent from wind.
39:58
Speaker 1: Of course a fair bit solar at this.
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Speaker 2: Time fifteen percent, but that disappears in.
40:03
Speaker 1: An hour or so.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is just the daily fact of the matter,
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Speaker 2: and the only thing you can rely on apart from
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Speaker 2: hydro in Tasmania, the only thing you can rely on
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Speaker 2: is that colon gas.
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Speaker 17: The only thing you can rely on is the Albanezer
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Speaker 17: Government's going to push up electricity prices even more and
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Speaker 17: they will drive industry out of this country because they
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Speaker 17: must have affordable and reliable energy. It is the single
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Speaker 17: biggest issue for them and everyone I'm talking to Chris,
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Speaker 17: they just can't pay and now we are seen reality,
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Speaker 17: you'll get hotter days. Imagine telling people to turn off
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Speaker 17: their air conditions, their pool pumps.
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Speaker 1: What will be next?
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Speaker 2: Turn off the lights and the spreads are believable. It
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Speaker 2: is belie It is unbelievable. Thanks for joining us, Keith,
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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Keith pit their live from Canberra, got
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Speaker 2: to get to a break. On the other side, Tim
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Speaker 2: Blair and Mark Nicholson, we'll talk about a inquest now
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Speaker 2: into deaths and damage from lithium batteries and also lefties
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Speaker 2: upset with the US election result take part here in
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Speaker 2: scream therapy.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's sort everything out.
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Speaker 2: If I was Donald Trump, I'd put these two blokes
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Speaker 2: in my cabinet for sure. Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph,
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Speaker 2: he joins us from the Wimmera in Victoria, and Mark
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Speaker 2: Nicholson from step Mate Studios, who joins us from the
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Speaker 2: People's Democratic Socialist Republic of Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, guys.
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Speaker 2: These politicians are really starting to get on my nerves right.
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Speaker 2: These are the same bastards who locked us in our
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Speaker 2: houses for months on end and had us arrested for
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Speaker 2: walking in the park or going to the beach. Yet
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Speaker 2: when Senator Lydia Thorpe is banned from the Senate. She
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Speaker 2: just decides to turn up in the gallery mark and
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Speaker 2: scream at everyone.
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Speaker 4: Anyway, who thought the Senate was boring reality show?
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Speaker 5: But it is.
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Speaker 4: It's also it's like, you know, it's like it's like
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Speaker 4: professional wrestling where it seems like it's all fake and
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Speaker 4: it's all it's all whatever.
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Speaker 5: This was very real what was.
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Speaker 4: Going on today? You know, I know a lot of
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Speaker 4: the people at One Nation now and Pauline and I
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Speaker 4: was talking to them today and the security was beefed
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Speaker 4: up heavily today in anticipation, which I think actually kind
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Speaker 4: of spurs it on even more. She managed to get
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Speaker 4: into the press gallery. She's been wandering around everywhere, in
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Speaker 4: my opinion, completely unhinged, quite dangerous, to be honest, I'm actually.
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Speaker 5: Really concerned, well, just unhinge. Also, it's just emblematic.
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Speaker 2: Well, normally the security is worried about people getting into Parliament.
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Speaker 2: The trouble is the security here is from what the
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Speaker 2: senator is going to do.
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Speaker 1: Have her listen to how she what?
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Speaker 2: She woke everyone up as they were dozing away in
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Speaker 2: the Senate today.
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Speaker 1: I called the clerk.
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Speaker 5: I called the clerk.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, it's just so sick, Tim, and it had chosen
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Speaker 2: refrain this time is to chart the slogan of hummus.
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Speaker 18: Well that's the sort of the fallback slogan for the
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Speaker 18: crazy left, isn't it. If you've got nothing else to say,
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Speaker 18: start screaming about Palestine. It's the I guess the Australian
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Speaker 18: senatorial political equivalent of throwing soup at art. You know
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Speaker 18: we've got nothing will say Palestines. But Marcus correct, like
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Speaker 18: generally the security is pointing in one direction, only outward
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Speaker 18: from Parliament House. But I need another layer of it,
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Speaker 18: just just between certain parliamentarians and one parliamentarian.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe the one thing they forgot to put in
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Speaker 2: the parliament House was a dungeon. They need to put
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Speaker 2: the rogue senator in a dungeon so that she when
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Speaker 2: she's banned from the Senate, she can't get there.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: I want to stick with you, Tim from because we've
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Speaker 2: talked a lot about lithium battery fires and how dangerous
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Speaker 2: they are and how not enough media pay attention to them. Well,
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Speaker 2: there's good news in New South Wales. There's going to
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Speaker 2: be a full coronial inquiry looking into all these cases,
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Speaker 2: which will obviously focus on how risky they are.
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Speaker 18: Look at these things. They're just all ready to blow.
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Speaker 18: But I think this quest, I think it should be
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Speaker 18: the Chris Kenny in question. It shouldn't there be a
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Speaker 18: bit of a bit of credit here because a lot
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Speaker 18: of media dodged this story. A lot of press minimize well,
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Speaker 18: let's let's say their courage of lithium ion battery fires
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Speaker 18: and other associated dangers. But your program, Chris, has been
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Speaker 18: been top of the pops. So where's when it's due
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Speaker 18: need some sort of parliamentary acknowledgement.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's that's that's just what will be coming my way.
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Speaker 2: Parliamentary acknowledgment.
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Speaker 1: They love me in that building.
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Speaker 2: Now, Mark, I think I've spoken to you about Joe Rogan.
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Speaker 2: I think you might be a bit of a Joe
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Speaker 2: Rogan fan. But the chair of the ABC, Kim Williams,
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Speaker 2: I picked apart some of his speech last night, But
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Speaker 2: one bit I didn't focus on was this, have a listen.
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Speaker 19: I think people like mister Rogan pray on people's vulnerabilities.
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Speaker 19: They pray on fear, they pray on anxiety, they on
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Speaker 19: all of the elements that contribute to uncertainty in society.
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Speaker 19: I personally find it deeply repulsive.
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Speaker 1: It's a strange reaction.
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Speaker 2: I'd like, I said, I don't listen to podcast, but
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Speaker 2: my understanding is that Joe Rogan gets people sits down
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Speaker 2: and talks to them for hours on end. How can
45:21
Speaker 2: that be as repugnant as Kim william says it is.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Kim even said himself that he don't even
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Speaker 4: listen to the show yet he's got a lot of
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Speaker 4: opinions on it. For something, Really, anyone would think that
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Speaker 4: anyone would think that Joe Rogan's taking a billion dollars
45:36
Speaker 4: of public money to make shows of little to no value,
45:40
Speaker 4: and he's out there deliberately ending war videos to be
45:43
Speaker 4: misleading to the words exactly, anyone would think that that's
45:46
Speaker 4: what Joe's doing. But no, he's doing a good thing.
45:49
Speaker 4: He got me this haircut. I used to be one
45:51
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty five kilos. I slimmed down. He's taught
45:55
Speaker 4: me and you know, he's kept me company on a
45:57
Speaker 4: lot of long runs and getting better. He's made a
45:59
Speaker 4: lot of peace people around the world a lot better.
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Speaker 4: He hasn't taken a single dollar from from the public,
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Speaker 4: and he promotes the show for free. It's a bad
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Speaker 4: it's a bad fight to pick Kim Joe Rogan.
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Speaker 1: And he has an audioce this one and he has
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Speaker 1: an audience. Yeah, well, Joe Joe Rogan has hit back.
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Speaker 2: Joe Rogan has has hit back with a tweet saying
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Speaker 2: lots of laughs and WUT, which I think will be
46:23
Speaker 2: basically what's going on here? But Elon Musk has then
46:26
Speaker 2: retweeted that and said us from the head of the
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Speaker 2: Australian government funded media there, pravt Tim the ABC is
46:32
Speaker 2: our pravt.
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Speaker 18: Accurate call from the Elon there. But indeed, my theory
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Speaker 18: is that Kim Williams doesn't know who Joe Rogan is.
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Speaker 18: I think he's got him mixed up with some sort
46:42
Speaker 18: of eighties nineties concept of shock jocks and you know,
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Speaker 18: some sort of terrifying you know, conservative radio figures. I
46:49
Speaker 18: don't you know, as Michael saying, this doesn't add up,
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Speaker 18: This is not this is not a reasonable picture of
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Speaker 18: Joe Rogan as his millions of listeners understand him to be.
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Speaker 18: So yeah, I think there's the category era. I think
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Speaker 18: I'm using that phrase directly. But mister Williams is wrong well.
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Speaker 2: Talking about life advice and all improving ourselves. We showed
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Speaker 2: some very very wise words from Kamala Harris last night,
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Speaker 2: and in the interests of self.
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Speaker 1: Development for all of us, I've got some more.
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Speaker 12: Look this mission that we have, it takes hard work
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Speaker 12: that as you've heard me say many times, we like
47:27
Speaker 12: hard work. Hard work is good work, hard work can
47:32
Speaker 12: be joyful work. And in doing our work, we will
47:36
Speaker 12: remain committed and intentional about building community.
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Speaker 2: It's bloody hard work watching that stuff, Mark, and I
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Speaker 2: doubt she's ever done today's hard work in her life.
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Speaker 1: No, the joy has drained from the faces. Not doing well.
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Speaker 4: She's kind of upsets me. We could have had four
47:57
Speaker 4: years of this question. It could have been awesome. This
47:59
Speaker 4: would have been so much fun.
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Speaker 1: She's not doing love. She looks terrible.
48:03
Speaker 4: This was a two hour rant that I think they
48:04
Speaker 4: edited down. It just kept going and going and going.
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Speaker 4: She's fuming, and I don't mean she's angry. I mean
48:09
Speaker 4: she's literally fuming. You can see the vodka coming out
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Speaker 4: of her. She's getting involved with russ illusion.
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Speaker 1: By the Proud. But it's kind of interesting.
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Speaker 2: There's some great analysis here from the Judy James, a
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Speaker 2: body language analyst, and she says, this is a very
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Speaker 2: verbose speech that combines Harris's talent for the words salad
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Speaker 2: with her signature body language rituals that try to persuade
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Speaker 2: you that they are that you were listening to some
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Speaker 2: extremely profound, motivational thoughts and messages. Yes, it all seems
48:41
Speaker 2: to be delivered in that style, but we're not really
48:43
Speaker 2: hearing much of significance for her tim In fact, there's
48:46
Speaker 2: some other there's some other Democrats supporters in Wisconsin who
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Speaker 2: I think have said it better.
48:52
Speaker 1: They've gotten out.
48:53
Speaker 2: And this is how there I suppose getting rid of
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Speaker 2: their demons after the Trump re election.
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Speaker 1: It's him.
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Speaker 2: I'd normally be hypercritical of that sort of insane behavior.
49:16
Speaker 2: But that's very similar to the scenes in my Loundes
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Speaker 2: room when the afl umpires said the winning goal against
49:22
Speaker 2: the Sydney Swans that hit the post.
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Speaker 18: Yes, yes, exactly, And I think I heard your screaming
49:28
Speaker 18: I'm a whole stage away from you. We just heard
49:33
Speaker 18: that description of Carmala's words, so and all. That's a
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Speaker 18: very long way to say that she sounded like the
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Speaker 18: second last contestant during speed dating at your local pub.
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Speaker 18: It's crunkiler of the night. Take lessons than ever before.
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Speaker 2: Let's be pithy again, and this is really what Kamala
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Speaker 2: is trying to say.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, ah, the joy that brings that is joy.
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, gentlemen. I'll leave you
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Speaker 2: with those screams ringing in your ears. Mark Nicholson and
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Speaker 2: Tim Blair. You can read Tim Blair in the Daily
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Speaker 2: Telegraph and on their website.
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Speaker 1: Obviously, thanks for joining me. It's been a big week.
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Speaker 2: Coming up next is Peter Cretlin. I'll see you next week.