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Best of Ian Furness 11/3 · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: Your home for the 12th man in the NFL proudly
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  Speaker 1: presents Hardcore Football with Hugh Millen.
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  Speaker 1: Now here's Hugh with Ian Furness on Sports Radio 93.3
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  Speaker 1: KJR FM.
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  Speaker 2: All right, here we go. Hugh Millen, Hardcore Football. We
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  Speaker 2: were hoping this would be a lot more pleasant than
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be. Hugh.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, I listened last night. You and Dick,
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  Speaker 2: great job on the postgame show. I think it's great
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  Speaker 2: that I know a lot of times we do those
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  Speaker 2: on Sundays. It gets kind of cut short because of
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  Speaker 2: Sunday night football. But having a postgame show for Monday
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  Speaker 2: night football with everyone driving home or listening and so forth,
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  Speaker 2: I thought you guys did a great job all the
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  Speaker 2: way through. So hell of a job by you guys.
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate that. It means a lot coming from you, Ian.
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  Speaker 4: You don't have the the game tape available to you. So,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I, and sometimes I feel compelled to, to
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  Speaker 4: pull the cliche like coaches, you know, Mike McDonald said
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  Speaker 4: it last night.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I got to see the tape, you know,
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  Speaker 4: there's a reason because there's 22 guys that are moving
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  Speaker 4: on every play.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, tell me the smartest guy in the
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  Speaker 4: history of football, Bill Walsh, Mike Holmgren, Mike McDonald, you know,
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  Speaker 4: whoever that is, that guy can't see everything. And you
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  Speaker 4: have to watch the tape in earnest, and it's usually back, forth, back, forth, back, forth.
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  Speaker 4: But it's interesting to me, Ian, because now Mike McDonald,
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  Speaker 4: he's got to have a shift in how he tries
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  Speaker 4: to connect with his team and how he coaches his
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  Speaker 4: team because you're looking at– from in 2024 that was
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  Speaker 4: year one and he's he's now say stated he said
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  Speaker 4: in the off season that he said hey we weren't
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  Speaker 4: very good my first year you know he says well
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  Speaker 4: we won 10 games but i knew we weren't very
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  Speaker 4: good right and um and you know to that point
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  Speaker 4: that year you remember week eight you lost to buffalo
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  Speaker 4: 31 to 10 james cook that's the last time they
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  Speaker 4: surrendered 100 yards to a back. I don't have the
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  Speaker 4: numbers for Josh Allen in front of me, but I
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  Speaker 4: know he sliced Seattle up as well. Then week 15,
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  Speaker 4: they got a lot more competitive. But then week 15,
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  Speaker 4: they had a loss to the Packers, 30-18. And since then,
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  Speaker 4: they've lost seven games up to last night. And I
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  Speaker 4: think we all know at this point, none of them
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  Speaker 4: were by more than four points. So now you take that,
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  Speaker 4: you just get your ass handed to you last night, and.
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  Speaker 2: Now you're shifting.
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  Speaker 4: So Mike McDonald, this is like Mike McDonald 3.0. The
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  Speaker 4: first was, okay, I just got this team. How do
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  Speaker 4: I instill my culture? And then we got 10 wins
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  Speaker 4: out of it. Then Mike McDonald 2.0 is now like
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  Speaker 4: what we saw from last year and what we thought
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  Speaker 4: of this year is like, okay, I've got a championship-level team.
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  Speaker 4: How do I push the right buttons with a championship-level team?
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  Speaker 4: And now, not to say they're not championship-level, but there's
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  Speaker 4: clearly a shift in how he's got to connect. There's
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  Speaker 4: got to be a sense of urgency. Now they can't
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  Speaker 4: fool themselves. You can talk about the– the changes, the
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  Speaker 4: improvements you need to make. Well, when, when you're kind
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  Speaker 4: of riding at the altitude, they were riding out for
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  Speaker 4: a long damn time. You know, you don't really maybe get, uh, that,
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  Speaker 4: that buy-in from the team about what has to change.
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  Speaker 4: And so now, uh, we'll see what kind of, uh, what,
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  Speaker 4: what kind of changes he makes his messaging's got to change.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if he's going to start firing people. Uh, I,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'm, I'm not sure what's going to happen,
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  Speaker 4: but it, it will be interesting. I wish we weren't
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  Speaker 4: in this situation. I was, I still wish it was
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  Speaker 4: Mike McDonald 2.0.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes. Right.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm not relishing this, but you know, it was
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  Speaker 4: bound to happen eventually. And, and, you know, I, I
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  Speaker 4: was thinking about how, how Seattle lost. And, and to me,
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  Speaker 4: I'm just old enough. And I was playing at the time. Um,
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  Speaker 4: we played the 49ers not long after that, but the
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  Speaker 4: 49ers in 1994, uh, hosted.
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  Speaker 2: The Eagles, and lost 40-8.
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  Speaker 5: 40-8 at home.
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  Speaker 4: And that was, I'm assuming, what was the year, 94? 94,
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  Speaker 4: and wait, don't kill the punchline, or reveal the punchline.
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  Speaker 4: And in that game, I'm sure it's on YouTube, just
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  Speaker 4: search on YouTube, Steve Young reaction. George Seifert was the
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  Speaker 4: head coach, and he pulled Steve Young in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa.
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  Speaker 4: Probably just to save his health. It was a health move.
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  Speaker 4: But Steve Young was irate. He thought that he should
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  Speaker 4: be out with his team battling just like they were
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  Speaker 4: and to have been pulled. He was screaming at George
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  Speaker 4: Seifert on the sideline, and it was a mess. Well,
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  Speaker 4: the 49ers, not only did they win the Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 4: I think they destroyed the Chargers in the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 4: that year. And so that prompted me to look, Ian,
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  Speaker 4: Last night, the Seahawks lose by 17 points. Now, I
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  Speaker 4: chose 1990 because I wanted to include that game.
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  Speaker 2: That I just referenced.
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  Speaker 4: So since 1990, there have been 36 Super Bowl champions
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  Speaker 4: and 19 of them, which 53%, 19 of 36 had
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  Speaker 4: a worse regular season loss than.
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  Speaker 3: 17 or more.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if I said that exactly right. No,
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  Speaker 4: that sounds right. That had a loss of 17 or
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  Speaker 4: more points.
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  Speaker 2: 53%.
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  Speaker 4: 19 of the 36 champions since 1990 have had an
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  Speaker 4: ugly loss.
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  Speaker 2: More than half. So Seattle is.
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  Speaker 4: Not in unprecedented air right now. Super Bowl champions lose
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  Speaker 4: like we saw last night. It doesn't... it doesn't mean
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  Speaker 4: the bears are better than Seattle. It means the bears
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  Speaker 4: were a lot better than Seattle last night, but Seattle
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  Speaker 4: can fix some things. Who knows what, you know, the,
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  Speaker 4: the bears, you know, it's like a British sports car.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: When I was a kid, you know, remember MGs. Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: My dad had an MG. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And, and, um, uh, there was a, there was a
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  Speaker 4: whole bevy of these, uh, I don't know if it
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  Speaker 4: was Austin Martins or whatever triumphs, you know, uh, Jaguars
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  Speaker 4: to some extent, you know, they're, they were thought to
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  Speaker 4: be really high performance sports car, but they could get
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  Speaker 4: out of tune real quick.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And, and teams can do that too.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the, the, the bears just may act like
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  Speaker 4: a British sports car and, and, and you say, Whoa,
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  Speaker 4: they were, they were cooking early November, but somehow they've
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  Speaker 4: kind of lost their way.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that could happen in the next month or two. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I would agree. And I went through, I just went through, I,
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  Speaker 2: I was telling Ashley and the listeners last segment, I
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  Speaker 2: kind of went to bed last night thinking, wow, they're
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  Speaker 2: in a world of hurt because just off the top
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  Speaker 2: of my head, I was thinking, man, you've got to
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  Speaker 2: get in that 11 win range to get to the
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  Speaker 2: wild card. Now, since they went to, and I brought
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  Speaker 2: this up, since they went to 17 games, Hugh, the
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  Speaker 2: wild card teams, and I'm just saying, I'm just going floor,
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  Speaker 2: just basement, right? The wild card three.
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  Speaker 3: 9-8, 9-8, 9-8, 11-6.
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  Speaker 2: That was Mike McDonald's first year when they went 10-7,
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  Speaker 2: and then 9-7-1. I think it's going to be higher
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  Speaker 2: this year based on what we see with the NFC North, Seattle,
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  Speaker 2: and the Rams, right? It's going to be probably in
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  Speaker 2: that 10 and a half, let's just say 10 and
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  Speaker 2: a half, 11 win, somewhere in there. And they can
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  Speaker 2: get there, like you said. Division feels, Hugh, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: the division feels like it's a long shot right now.
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  Speaker 2: That feels like a long shot, and we all know
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  Speaker 2: the history of getting to the postseason and needing a
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  Speaker 2: home field advantage in this town, but just get in.
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  Speaker 2: You know, just get in. There's teams that have won
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  Speaker 2: Super Bowls and got to the Super Bowls without having
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  Speaker 2: home field advantage.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I know for a stretch there, I was at
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  Speaker 4: 14 or two. Maybe I'm not updated on it, but
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  Speaker 4: I know Seattle had the best road record under Mike McDonald.
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  Speaker 4: And again, I haven't updated that. So Seattle's capable of
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  Speaker 4: winning the road. What they have to do is get right.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever this fever is, this flu they have, in different
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  Speaker 4: aspects of the team, they've got to fix it. And
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  Speaker 4: they have a high ceiling. They proved that against the Chiefs.
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  Speaker 4: They won 10 games in a row last year, and
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  Speaker 4: that included the three playoff games. So they can go
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  Speaker 4: on a roll. I just think they've eaten up all
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  Speaker 4: their mulligans.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. There's no breakfast balls left, Hugh. We're done.
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  Speaker 2: We're done with those, baby. Even if you bought it
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  Speaker 2: before the tournament, you've used up all the ones that
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  Speaker 2: you bought. And so you can.
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  Speaker 4: It goes without saying you gotta be Carolina or excuse me,
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  Speaker 4: the Cardinals and Las Vegas. Then you get that bi-week
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  Speaker 4: and in all likelihood, the season really has another fork
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  Speaker 4: in the road at San Francisco. Because if you're, if
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  Speaker 4: you're going to win the Superbowl or, you know, be
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  Speaker 4: a contender for the Superbowl, it feels like you have
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  Speaker 4: to win that game and it's winnable.
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  Speaker 2: It's absolutely winnable.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you just, just doing the math, if you,
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  Speaker 2: If you win the six games that you're going to
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  Speaker 2: be favored in, Arizona, Vegas, Dallas, Giants, Philadelphia, Carolina, if
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  Speaker 2: you win those six, now you're at 10 wins. And then,
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  Speaker 2: in theory, just to get in, you go one and
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  Speaker 2: two against the Rams and the Niners and those other
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  Speaker 2: three games. But I think you're right. You need to
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  Speaker 2: also get right. Let me pivot with this, Hugh. Hugh
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  Speaker 2: Millen joining us, Hardcore Football.
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: What did you see differently after getting up at, I'm guessing,
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  Speaker 2: normal 4 a.m. wake-up call?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: What did you see different at 4 a.m. this morning
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  Speaker 2: that maybe you didn't see last night? Let's go through that.
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  Speaker 3: On the tape.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm more focused on the offense because I feel
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  Speaker 4: like they're the unit, obviously, that is in trouble. I
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  Speaker 4: think the defense wasn't their finest hour. We know that
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  Speaker 4: last night. Maybe we'll get to that. But I would look–
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  Speaker 4: I start with the quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: And I– I have a lot of minuses on my
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  Speaker 4: notes here. And yet I have, I put a BF
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  Speaker 4: on top.
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  Speaker 2: Of the minus. Um, Brian Flory, Brian Flory. It's more
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  Speaker 2: Brian Flory.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And let's see in the first half, uh, of the mind,
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  Speaker 4: there's one, I didn't count all the mountain, but I've
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  Speaker 4: got six different, um, Brian Flory minuses. And then, um,
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  Speaker 4: I think in the second half, another handful. So there's
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  Speaker 4: a lack of real cohesion in the concepts and the details.
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  Speaker 4: They like to throw the ball over the middle. I
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  Speaker 4: think that's kind of a residue of Brock Purdy in
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  Speaker 4: San Francisco and Brian Flory and having been around Shanahan
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  Speaker 4: And Brock Purdy just doesn't throw the ball well to
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  Speaker 4: the sidelines. He doesn't have the arm to get there.
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  Speaker 4: So the structure of their offense is between the numbers.
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  Speaker 4: And a big part of what they do is a
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  Speaker 4: rap concept. Now we're getting to hardcore. People call it different.
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  Speaker 4: Keith Gilbertson and maybe Mike Holmgren call it hammer rap. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: and when I coached in high school, we called it
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  Speaker 4: a Honda and what it is and Honda for, uh, that,
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  Speaker 4: that would.
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  Speaker 2: Be a hitch and, and dig. Okay. So that's a
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  Speaker 2: word conjunction.
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  Speaker 4: And regardless of what you call it, what Seattle is
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  Speaker 4: really big on is, is you have the inside guy
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  Speaker 4: could be a three receiver set or it could be
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  Speaker 4: a two receiver set, but it's, it's really at its bones,
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  Speaker 4: a two receiver concept. You can dress it up with
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  Speaker 4: a third guy to the outside of this, but its
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  Speaker 4: skeleton is this. The inside guy goes up and hitches
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  Speaker 4: at 5 or 6 yards, and then the guy to
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  Speaker 4: the outside of him runs a 10 or 11-yard dig
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  Speaker 4: route in behind it. And the idea is that you
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  Speaker 4: as a zone defender, you're looking, and the innermost guy
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  Speaker 4: stops and hitches at 5, 6 yards, And then that
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  Speaker 4: influences you, freezes you or cause you to step up
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  Speaker 4: with that guy. And then in behind you where you
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  Speaker 4: can't see there's an in route.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty.
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  Speaker 4: Now you can, you can put that basic skeleton wherever. And, um,
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  Speaker 4: and yet there's a couple of times yesterday where they, um,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you, you had, you had AJ.
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  Speaker 2: Barner, he's moving.
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  Speaker 4: On the in route and he's right in the line of,
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  Speaker 4: of the dig in behind him. That that's a core
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  Speaker 4: part of what you're doing. And it's a fundamental breakdown
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  Speaker 4: that shouldn't have happened in, in, on the third day
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  Speaker 4: of mini camp, let alone the eighth game of the
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  Speaker 4: regular season, right?
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  Speaker 2: It's just fundamental. Speaking of Barner. Okay. Is that the
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  Speaker 2: concept or the route, how the route is being run
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  Speaker 2: by Barner or the receiver?
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  Speaker 4: Well, the concept in the zone, you can't get underneath.
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  Speaker 4: If you're an underneath defender, excuse me, an underneath receiver,
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  Speaker 4: you can't be in a vertical line position. With a
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  Speaker 4: receiver behind you.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So, because I want you to imagine, we see this
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  Speaker 2: from the end zone copy.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: I just want you to imagine. So, we got a
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  Speaker 4: camera right behind Sam Darnold. Hell, if you want to
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  Speaker 4: be Sam Darnold in this, in this visual, go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: But you're, you're standing there and you're saying, okay, what
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  Speaker 4: if I want to hit the intermediate in route at
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  Speaker 4: 12 yards?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: But, my tight end is, is like right under him
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  Speaker 4: in a line. So he's like lined up so that
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  Speaker 4: if I, if I stop and I, and I drew
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  Speaker 4: a string from, from, you know, the, the middle of
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  Speaker 4: my body or where my right arm is, I do
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  Speaker 4: a tight string to the intermediate, uh, in route from
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  Speaker 4: 12 yards. If, if, if there's a defender who's moving, uh,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I said a defender for the second time.
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  Speaker 4: If there's another receiver that's in that line, then that's
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  Speaker 4: structurally a problem.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And that happened on the third play of the game.
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  Speaker 4: Remember when Torrey Horton took that hit over the.
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  Speaker 2: Middle by the safety? Yes.
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  Speaker 4: He just got smoked. Darnold was a fraction late. The
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  Speaker 4: precision's in the details.
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  Speaker 2: So, So he was late because the tight end was
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  Speaker 2: in his basically underneath, right? Like what you're saying. I could,
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  Speaker 2: I could take a still shot with my phone.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: But Barner is on the left hash.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Right at the time that, that, uh, uh, Darnold is
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  Speaker 4: looking to throw and Horton is on the left hash.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: And, and so they're, they're just, they're in the way.
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  Speaker 4: And so that, that happened more than once. And I
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  Speaker 4: could describe others, but, but, The takeaway is that you
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  Speaker 4: can't be stacked vertically on each. People say a high-low read.
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  Speaker 4: And yes, there's high-low reads. You could say a smash
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  Speaker 4: or a corner route deep to the outside and then
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  Speaker 4: somebody in the flat. And if it's covered to the
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  Speaker 4: cloud corner, that's a zone term by the corner. You say, okay,
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  Speaker 4: if he gets deep, then you throw the underneath. If
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  Speaker 4: he stays shallow, then you throw it over the top
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  Speaker 4: of his head. There's other high-low reads where you have,
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  Speaker 4: let's say, a deep-in route at 17 or 18 yards,
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  Speaker 4: and then from either that side or from the opposite side,
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  Speaker 4: you have a post. So now you're high-lowing, literally high-low.
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  Speaker 4: They're stacked on each other, but there'd be a lot
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  Speaker 4: of space in between them.
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  Speaker 2: So there are.
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  Speaker 4: High-low reads, but mostly, particularly in the intermediate stuff, anything
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  Speaker 4: under 20 yards, you're getting more of a diagonal. It's
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  Speaker 4: a diagonal high-low with the inside defender so that you've
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  Speaker 4: got this one shallow guy who's maybe at five yards,
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  Speaker 4: maybe he's moving, maybe he stops, what have you, but
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  Speaker 4: then the guy who's behind him is– it's a diagonal
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  Speaker 4: relationship so that the defender, so you're not having to
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  Speaker 4: throw right over the top of that receiver.
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  Speaker 2: Does that make sense? It makes sense. So let me
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  Speaker 2: ask you this before we get to a break here,
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  Speaker 2: we've got to break it a second. That whole concept
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  Speaker 2: and how it's being designed, when you're going through that
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  Speaker 2: and you're game planning, like wouldn't that come up with
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  Speaker 2: Sam Darnold or the receivers going, hey, wait a second,
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  Speaker 2: where am I supposed to be here? Like this doesn't
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: make sense. This is like everything you're articulating, I would
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: think that would come up. You wouldn't draw it up
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: on the whiteboard.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: What happens is it goes from the philosophy of the play,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: the structure of the play, it goes from that to then,
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: now what do you see on the tape? And so
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: when you see it on the tape wrong, and it's
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: violating these basic tenets, you know it wasn't taught that way.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: It just wasn't drilled the precision there maybe isn't.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Enough reps on it or that that's what i'm looking
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: for so yeah that makes more.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: Sense i'll give you one more this this one just
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: like was just you know i still have a bruise
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: on my forehead from smacking myself with my own palm
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: do you remember the one on third and five where
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: uh darnel looks to his left and he throws a
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: check down now i say check down but it was
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: at the it was at the first down marker it
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: was at right at five yards uh where it where, uh,
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: AJ Barner just puts his arm out and barely gets
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: a hand on it. And it's an incompletion.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Remember that? Yeah. Yep.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Which I I'm sure people in the stadium might've had
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: the impulse like, Oh wow. That's a really inaccurate throw.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Right? No, NFL quarterbacks are not that inaccurate. None.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: Not even the third stringers from that distance. And you
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: watch where, um, And I know we're up against a
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: break real quick. So Barner's running a stick route, five
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: to six yard out route. He sees the corner in cloud.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: I just use that term. That's where the corner has the,
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: has the flat. It's a shallow zone responsibility. When you
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: hear cloud that you always know that there's a safety
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: behind it, that that's built into that term. So Barner
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: sees the cloud corner out in front of him and
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: he doesn't want to run into that. So he stops
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: but then he makes this little juke this head fake
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: like he's going to keep going inside uh now now
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: a lot of people use the term probably the term
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: that's used more is a china route and i've always
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: wondered why they call it china somebody once said well
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of people in china And this is
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: a term that's been around for 50 years, the China route.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: And you say, well, you're going back into where the
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: people are.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: So China is a ubiquitous term, and it looks like
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: he's trying to run a China back inside, and he fakes,
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: but then he stops. But that's right at the time
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: where Darnold's going, oh, okay, if you want to go China,
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: I'll throw you inside. I kind of think there's a
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: defender in there, but he's a little deeper, so maybe
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: you catch it underneath him. So Darnold, now he goes
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: to get a completion on third and five.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Right at the time that Barner is stopping. Now, that
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: is just very poor.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Connection between two veteran players who are smart, committed players. Uh, and,
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: and like, no, the parameters have to be established. What you, you,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: you can run double, you can do a head fake
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: on this route, but not on this route. If you're
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: in week eight in a game like that, of that magnitude,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: and you can't throw a stick route, uh, for a
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: first down in that picture, that's a problem. And I
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: think it's a problem with the coordination of the offense, uh, Perfect.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: Stop right there. When we come back, we'll continue talking
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: about the offense. Hardcore football after the Seahawks lose to
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: the Bears yesterday with Hugh Millen, 93.3 KGFM.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Jackson obviously had.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: His numbers out there, but where's your concern level with
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: the fact that you had two receiving cards from anybody
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: not named Jackson?
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: It just seemed like it was a hard time getting
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: anybody else.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Involved until later.
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, we didn't do the things on offense
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: that we need to be able to do to play
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: Seahawk football. So to me, we got similar questions throughout
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: the beginning of the season on– where we're falling short,
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: but to me it's inputs. If we're playing the way
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: that we're supposed to and we're running off the rock
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: and we're targeted right and we're dialed in on what
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: we should be doing, we're way more efficient and the
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: ball is distributed more evenly. That's where we need to
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: put our focus.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: First half, JSN, six targets, four receptions, 92 yards, that
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: 43-yard touchdown. Zach Charbonnet had two receptions for net zero yards.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: And Jadarian Price, one catch for two yards. Nobody else
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: had a reception in that first half for Seattle. It
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: changed a little bit in the second half, but not much.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Torrey Horton had three catches for 26 yards, long of 13.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Cooper Cupp, the touchdown catch, and that was it as
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: far as wide receivers were concerned. A couple others sprinkled
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: in there with the tight end, Barner and the running backs,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: but Hugh, as we're talking about hardcore football, how hard
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: is it for a quarterback when he's got one guy
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: to throw to, and is it the one guy to
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: throw to because of Brian Fleury scheming, play calling, or
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: just guys not getting open? What do you see on
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: the all-22 when you look back? Well, a little bit
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: of both.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: You can't ask a guy to do something that he's
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: not good at at this level. You've got to play
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: to a guy's strengths. There was a conspicuous drop to
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: me where Horton was lined up on the left side
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: and it was going towards the north end zone, and
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: he ran a deep curl. So by his alignment, it
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: was a little bit reduced, meaning close to the ball,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: and his stem was not straight vertical. It was slightly
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: to the outside, just a slight spray. So he's gaining
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: width as he's going up the field as he's running.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Then there's a part where he puts his left foot
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: in the ground, his outside foot, And then he takes
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: it straight vertical. That move right there should help you
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: create separation because the corner has to adjust his feet
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: perhaps and certainly his calculation in his mind about what
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: route to expect. And then it's just a deep curl,
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: just like a button hook that you would say in
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: the park, right? But there's a lot of technique to
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: the button hook. You've got to sell the vertical on
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: the deep hook. let the defender think you're running the
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: nine route, which is the go. And then don't turn
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: your head back before your body. You know, when I coached, uh,
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: offense at the high school level, you know, we'd go
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: through this route and we'd say, Hey, when your outside
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: foot hits, it's your final step. You drop your hips,
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: drop your hips. Cause that's kind of the way you
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: slow down the, the fast. So drop your hips, hit
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: your outside foot. Make sure your chin is over your toes.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Don't have your shoulder back. Cause it'll take you a
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: couple extra steps. Get your chin over your toes, drop
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: your weight, and then you don't get to turn your head.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Think of it like a door hinge. You don't get
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: to turn your head until your shoulders turn back to
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: the ball because that is a tried and true way
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: to create the best separation. Well, when you watch his
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: technique there, there's a lack of suddenness. and certainly a
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: lack of technique. He's looking and turns back to the ball.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: So his head is looking back for the ball, but
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: his body's still going up the field. Well, that just
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: triggers the defender to come downhill, right? Like, okay, he stopped.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: And then he didn't have the urgency to fight back,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: and now all of a sudden the defender gets his
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: hand on the ball. This is a one-on-one situation where
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: you just say, hey, there's no safety over the top.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: You have to win.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: And, and Darnold has a perfect ball placement. You know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: he's right, kind of right in the, at your belt.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: So it allows you to get low if you need to. And,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: and he just didn't finish. He didn't convert. And, you know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: because of a whole, a whole, you know, some of
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: it has to do with the lack of explosion that,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: that the obvious question is, did the, the unique surgeries
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: that he had on both legs, I think he's got
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: rods in his shin and everything. And so he, So
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: I think he may have lost some suddenness.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, I watched him at Colorado State. Does he
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: look different? Does he look different to you? I think
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: he looks different. Yeah, I think he looks different.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, when he runs crossing routes, you've got to
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: stick that route and then go flat. Don't let the
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: defender come underneath you. So there's some technique things that
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: he's not doing. Now, he had a beautiful route and
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: catch on the two-point, and he had another over route
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: into traffic when a Darnold's best plays on that boot left,
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: and then Darnold had to retreat and throw him on
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: that intermediate crossing route. So there were some good things there,
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: but it's not enough. And seldom, as a Seahawks fan,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: have I wanted there to be something so different than
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: what the tape shows. And I'm talking about Cooper Cup.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: I really love everything about the guy.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Let's go down that road, Hugh. Let's go down that road.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, look.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: if you want me to make a list of all
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: the things that I love about Cooper cup, you know,
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: it's probably the same as your list. And, and so
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: I really want it to, um, to be, I love
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: when he has catches and they use his, his, uh,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: his skillset. The best thing he does is, is get
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: into the, uh, the jet stream routes, the wake routes,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: if you want to use a water skiing analogy. You know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: get in behind, draft off the receiver in front of you,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: and then make a choice in or out. That's the
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: best thing that he does still at this age. But
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: to line him up in a slot with nobody around
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: him to protect him, meaning no bunch formations, no stack formations,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: nothing to get rubs and picks, and then expect him
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: to go down and win on a deep curl and
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: not stay on the move. To me, I'm looking, I'm like,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: come on, Brian Flory, be better than that. And by
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: the way, the Bears, they're the grabbiest secondary that I've
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: seen on tape in years. I think they got three
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: defensive holdings. There could have been 23. That's just their thing.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: It's like, hey, we're just going to, You know, there's
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: a rule you can't contact past five yards. Five yards,
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: smive yards. Like, phooey on that. Like, they just grab
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: and hold. And so, you know, I think their philosophy
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: is we'll take three defensive holdings every game because it
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: will disrupt 23 pass plays. Yeah, makes sense. And so here,
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: you're watching Cup just get mauled. And then he's got
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: a non-moving route at the end. He's supposed to stop.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: There's no– you might as well just play with 10 guys.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Because that is not going to be an option for
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Sam Darnold. And so, you know, where's the shallow cross?
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: I remember I mentioned the triangle reads. So I can–
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: I'm going to outline one play, and I know we're
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: at a commercial, but this will– Kill two birds with
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: one stone in my analysis. It's going to be a
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: crossing route, which we didn't see any of, despite all
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: the man.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: And then it.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: Also speaks to when I talked about a diagonal read
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: in the last segment. So now we're going to be
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: the quarterback of the San Francisco 49ers in the time
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: of Bill Walsh. And you got Jerry Rice to your
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: far right. He's going to motion down. Now, what I'm
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: about to describe is Bill Walsh's favorite play of all time.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: So this is not some random play. So we got
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: Jerry Rice. He's motioning down. We're going to snap the ball.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: And Brent Jones is the tight end. He's going to
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: take an outside release. And Jerry Rice is going to
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: run right behind his ass. And so Rice's route, they
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: call it a drive route, but you could call it
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: a shallow cross. He's just going to run a crossing route.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: And then Brent Jones is going to get a rub
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: on the man-to-man, if it's man-to-man. Then he's going to
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: straighten up, and he's going to run at 12 to
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: 14 yards, generally 14 yards, in behind it.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: So now we're going to take our drop.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: From shotgun, let's take a five step drop, you know,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: back in Walsh's time was primarily under center, but we'll, we'll,
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: we'll forget that point. And now we got Jerry Rice
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: going from right to left on a crossing route, man
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: to man, we just got to pick.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: So let's get it to Jerry.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: And let him keep on the move and run.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: But the reason Bill Walsh, this is his favorite play
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: is because it's also really good play against zone. And
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: so now if, if we don't like rice and let's
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: say it's zone and there's a defender out there, then
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: Brent Jones, by getting up to 14 yards, he's going
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: to be running an in route in the same direction
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: from right to left, but he's going to be behind
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: the play.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: So there's a diagonal relationship. And then we're going to take.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Roger Craig or Tom Rathman, and we're going to hook
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: them up over in the alley. So you're creating kind
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: of a triangle there in zone. But it's all diagonal
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: reads about this defender. Yes, he's to the inside and outside,
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: but there's also a layering behind. So if you stop
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: and you say, okay, what does the quarterback see?
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: He sees a triangle.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: He sees Jerry Rice as the point of one triangle
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: to the left. He sees Roger Craig as a check down,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: as a point of the triangle to the right. And
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: then he's got Brent Jones at the top of the triangle.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: And here, Tex Winters for the Chicago Bulls, he had
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: a triangle offense.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Hell, you look all over a playbook.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: We're trying to create triangles everywhere because the triangles create
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: the diagonal reads on defenders. So when we talk about stack,
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: like I did in the prior segment, don't be on top.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: That's not a triangle, right?
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, I suppose you could. rotate a triangle. Well,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And, and then, but then it, it,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: it coincides.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: This point is also made with, with a segment two
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: of our show that where's the shallow crosses. And by
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: the way, your boy, uh, Mike Leach would have said,
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: where the hell is all the meshes? That's a shallow
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: cross from one direction and a shallow cross from the other.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Let's man to man, let's get some picks. But we got,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: we gotta, if, if we're going to put Cooper cup
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: on the field, we can't just let them get mauled
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: out there in space with no, no, no formations to
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: protect them, no wind drafts to protect them, no wakes. Uh,
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: and then, and furthermore, have them run a stop route
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: against man to man. Stop routes are for zone. Uh,
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: you know, stay on the move against man. That's just
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: kind of a general rule. I'm not saying you can't
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: get completions, uh, the other way, but that's a general rule.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: So man, Yeah, yeah. The tape at 4 in the
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: morning gets me kind of salty by the time I'm.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: At lunch, you know? All right, let me do this.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Quick break. Wrap things up. Hugh Millen, hardcore football. I
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: got one more thing I'm going to fire his way.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: It has to do with Brian Fleury. We'll do that next.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Three things I think we need to do just to
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: get ready for next year.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: One, a number two receiver.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Two, a.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Starting running back. And three, we love you, Sam, but
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: you got to go.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: We need something better and consistent that doesn't turn over
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: the ball. Thank you.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: A lot of talkbacks today. We'll keep them coming. We'll
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: get to those in the two o'clock hour as well.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Hugh Millen, we've got a couple minutes here to wrap
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: up hardcore football. As I'm listening to the conversation today
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: and I'm envisioning these things in my mind that we're
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: going through. I'm going to ask you a question you
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: heard Sam Darnold mention there by one of our listeners
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: a second ago, a diehard Seahawks fan, obviously. To me,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: it sounds like we have a Brian Flurry problem more
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: than a Sam Darnold problem. So how do you or
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: can you correct it if that's the case?
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Well, I think you can get back to basics and
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: maybe trim down the game plan, really emphasize the fundamentals,
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: not being stacked on each other, They've got to have
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: a better plan against man-to-man and with all that press
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: coverage and grabbing you the way they were. So I
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: think if you're grading Brian Flory last night, I think
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: you'd give at least about a grade to him as
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: you would to Sam Darnold. Look, as a Seahawks fan,
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: I like Sam Darnold, but I like the Seahawks more.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: If in my reasoning, I thought it would be the
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: best thing for the CX to try and replace Sam Donald,
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't hesitate to say it. Um, but there's a
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: reason why NFL starting quarterbacks make more than offensive coordinators
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: by probably a, an order of magnitude of, you know, uh,
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: at least 10, you know, 15, 20 fold.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: Um, and, and so, uh, if, if anything, the, the,
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: the game against the chiefs should have shown you that,
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: there's a limit to what even the best quarterbacks can do, right?
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Because I'm sure that if the Seahawks had been playing
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: the Seahawks defense, thought experiment, right? And Sam Darnold had
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: played exactly like Pat Mahomes did against the Seahawks defense.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: Everybody would be saying, oh, you know, Darnold sucks, right? Well,
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: there's certain, you know, Pat Mahomes has had two super
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: bowls where he's been dreadful and, you know, he's, he's
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: the best quarterback of, of his little, you know, half generation. And,
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: and so, um, I, I just think, okay, you've got
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: a super bowl, uh, defense and you've got a quarterback
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: at 29 years old. It's already shown that he can,
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: you can win a super bowl with him. And so
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: if you ask me, do I think they have a
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: bigger problem, a quarterback problem or an offensive coordinator problem.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: I agree with you, what you said. And part of
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: the reason that I agree with it is because it's
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: easier to find a new offensive coordinator than it is
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: to find a good quarterback. Like what resources are you
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: going to expand? And then if Ryan for, he's a
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: coordinator and you got this, you've spent all these resources,
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: hell go trade for Pat Mahomes, right? I'm sure there's
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: something that could do it. Three drafts, every single pick.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Didn't Mike Ditka do that for Ricky Williams?
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Not one year, do it for three years.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: You could get Pat Mahomes, and then we can sit
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: there and lose games, and then we can say how
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: Pat Mahomes can't play because you're not giving him a chance.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, that's my thought. Can Darnold be better?
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: They needed a number two. That's a big hole. It's
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: a donut in their offense. The number two receiver. And
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: I think that there's no question in my mind that
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: the running game for the 2026 Seattle Seahawks have not
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: seen their best.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: You've got your running backs are coming back healthy. You've
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: got Quentin Nelson. Last night you ran into Buzzsaw with
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: a bunch of energy and Jeffrey Simmons and blah, blah, blah.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: There will be some games that they can fix this
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: running game and there'll be purring along. Uh, but you know, that,
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: that number two, if, if, if you're going to be, uh,
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: have the receivers as constituted now, in my opinion, then
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: you got to do a better job at the offensive
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: coordinator job. You can't, you can't, you can't throw out
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: that stuff that I saw on the tape from last night.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: And that's what we've been discussing for a good part.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Of this hour. As always great stuff, my friend. Appreciate it.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Great job last night again. Great stuff this morning. And
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: with us here, I think more at four coming up,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming, with Softie later. Yeah, which is good. And
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: then you and I will talk next Monday, hopefully, after
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: they take care of Minshew Magic and company. Thank you.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: We'll talk to you then. Appreciate the nice words.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Thanks, buddy.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: That's you, Millen. We'll turn it around.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: I love it. Bye now.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: You, Millen.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Hardcore football. Nobody does it better than that guy.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: Period.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: End of story. John Lund. Nobody does it worse than him,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: but we'll still put him on the air. He's coming
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: up next.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: It's time for Ian's weekly visit with John Lund, Unleashed,
• 39:25
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• 39:28
  Speaker 1: for a couple of decades. They'll be talking NFC West,
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• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Lund joins us right now on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: brought to you by Chambers Bay Distillery. Hello, sir. How
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: are you?
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: I can hardly see.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: You down there. Are you down there? We're way up.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: Here at the top of the playoff building. I can't
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: even see you down there.
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: Where are you?
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I think we must have a bad connection. I
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: thought we had John. Let me go find out where
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: he went.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: That's just one cheap shot.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I feel bad. I do.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: I feel bad.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: No, you don't. You don't even feel remotely bad. You
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: don't feel bad at all.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Okay, but I'm sorry. I feel bad. That was nasty.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I could have sworn. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: I could have sworn. I was really good on your
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: show yesterday. I was really kind. I was nice.
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: People actually said that because the first time you came on, Uh,
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: people didn't like you. And I'm like, I try, I
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: actually had to take the whole next segment and explain
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: to people really good friend of mine. We gave each
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: other grief, nothing against you. Cause you know, we, we
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: like to give each other grief and they weren't really,
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: the new version of the show was not really versed
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: in that.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: They're like, never have him on again.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: And I was like, you guys don't understand. Like we
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: just have fun. We're giving each other grief. he's a
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: friend of mine like relax and then yesterday because we
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: kind of couched it that way they still.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Hated you but they got like.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: They're okay we hate him still but he's your friend
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: so we get so.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: It was better.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: But the first time he came on they were like
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: who is i hate that guy that's like dude you
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: know who's that seattle homer and i'm like no.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: He's my friend like relax.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Relax relax yeah they were all happy hey relax san
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: fran relax down there.
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: And then you said that and people got mad yeah
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: that's right You were egging him on.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: And then our team up here just got his doors
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: kicked in yesterday. Oh, wow.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: I'm going to be 100% honest with you, and it's
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: going to make people even more mad. Actually, what we
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: did was we sent in a double agent, Brian Flurry.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: He's your offensive coordinator, but he's actually working for the 49ers,
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: and he's an actual double agent, and he was sent
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: to you to ruin your team. And so far, it's
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: working quite well. He is a double agent, and he
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: is ruining your offense.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: The problem is you say something like that, and people
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: are going to believe it to be true after last.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Night.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: There was a dude on KGR, and I hated his guts,
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: but he brought up one good point. He said, and
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: he was sent to ruin our season, and I think
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: he's right.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: And then that goes on social media. He's a double agent.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: He's a double agent.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Does it not prove that over the years, all these– Listen,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: the NFL is the most incestuous thing in the world, right?
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's incest beyond belief. And you come from
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: the Shanahan tree or the McVeigh tree or the Sean
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Payton tree, the Andy Reid, which was the Mike Holmgren tree,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: which was the Bill Walsh tree, right? Not everybody that
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: comes through those organizations and working for those great, mostly
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: offensive minds, but in the case of Seattle, the defensive
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: mind of Mike McDonald, Not every one of those guys
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: is going to be capable to take that next step
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: out of being a position coach to either a head
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: coach or even a coordinator. That doesn't always happen. It's
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: not always going to be successful. And if we're being honest,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: here in Seattle so far, it has not been successful.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and look, in all honesty, and you know this
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: as well as I do, that.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: That it happens.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: Like it's not just, I know people don't want to
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: hear this.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: It's not just his fault. It's not just Sam's fault.
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: It's, you know, you're playing musical, the offensive line on
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: a pretty bad day that, you know, Jeffrey Simmons starts.
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: And I mean, I think there's a lot of different things,
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: but one thing is clear to me, and I'm sure
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: you've talked about it all day, but even I could
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: figure this out there.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: He's, they're just not on the same page.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: So, um, Whether that's flurry, whether that's Darnold, whether it's,
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: it's probably a combination of things you're trying to figure
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: out your offensive line on Monday night football. It's a
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: combination of things, but the biggest thing, and you guys
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: know this better than I do. If John Snyder thinks
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: he can still save the season, he's, I don't know
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: if it's running back because they just got.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Those guys back.
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: But you're like Cooper cup.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Nice guy. Can't play anymore. Rashid Shaheed. I know he
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: was out.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: Wouldn't add much Torrey Horton. I thought he was going
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: to be a great player. So I'm a lot of
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: Colorado state. I know he's been injured. He needs to
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: step up. Like they're just not the 49ers. The thing
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: about the 49ers is they got a boatload injuries, but
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: they've had a ton of guys step up and offensively,
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: at least, you know, other than JSN teams know how to,
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: it's like, okay, that guy's going to go off, but
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: who else is going to help them?
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: And right now, nobody.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: That's the problem. Well, and, and, I mean, let's talk
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: the playoffs for a second, because I kind of went
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: through this earlier. If we're being honest, and this pains
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: me to say this with you on the air... Listen,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: the division's pretty much out of reach. I mean, you'd
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: need a catastrophic fall by the 49ers. And I think
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: the Rams have to approach it the same way, right?
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Both Seattle and the Rams are 4-4, and they've both
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: lost to San Francisco. So really, you're three and a half,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: four games back. Both teams have a game left against
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: those guys, but you need a lot of help for
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: that to happen. So now you start focusing in on
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: the wildcard race, right? And kind of went through it
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: since they went to 17 games, 9-8, 9-8.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: 9-8, 11-6, 9-7-1.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: The outlier in 2024, you had to be 11-6 to
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: get in as a wildcard team, John. So with the North,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: everyone's got at least five wins. and obviously two teams
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: have six wins in Minnesota and Chicago. In the West,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Seattle 4-4, the Rams 4-4, I don't think we're going
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: to see a team out of the South, certainly not
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: the East, that's going to also have a chance to
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: get to the postseason. So it's five teams for three spots, right? Seattle,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: the three teams that don't win the NFC North, and
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: the Rams. It's as simple as that.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, there's going to be two good teams that
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: just don't get.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: In the playoffs. I mean, I still think Seattle's good.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: The Rams are going to get... Miles Garrett back there.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Good team.
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: Like, you know, there's going to be either somebody out
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: of North, like you said, the South and the East
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: are going to be one team. And then right now,
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: I think all of the North teams would get in.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: So there's going to be North team that, you know,
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: there's gonna be two teams. Looking at the schedule this morning,
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: the Seahawks can still pull off a run. I, again, I,
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: I don't know exactly what you've been talking about. The
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: Seahawks could pull off a run, but the problem is
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: they don't look good. Like if you lose last night
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: to the bears, I get it. The bears look like
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: a legit team that people should be afraid of in.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: The, in the NFC.
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: I mean, Caleb, you know, did you just kind of
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: compare apples to apples? Caleb Williams looked like what Patrick
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: Mahomes was supposed to look like the week before. I mean,
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: he looks more like Patrick Mahomes and Patrick Mahomes. They
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: play a lot of backyard football. Ben Johnson's really good.
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: But the problem is, is that You know, the defense
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: aside last night, that's normally not what they do. I mean,
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: they're going to bounce back from that defensively. But offensively,
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: like you talked about, and I'm sure you've talked about
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: it all day long, where do you start? Because I
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: understand what fans want to do. You want to go
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: to the low-hanging fruit. It's Brian Fleury. It's Sam Darnold.
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: Like quarterbacks, coordinators, coaches, then you go to the referees.
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: Those are the things that fans like to talk about.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: But the reality is, and you know this, and you
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: guys all know this, it's a combination of things.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: And do the Seahawks, who sit.
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: At 4-4, have enough time to fix things before it
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: gets too late? Because right now, they can do it,
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: but they have to rattle off.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: What?
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, we're eight games into this thing, so there's
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: nine games remaining. You've got to rattle off like a...
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: I don't know, an 8-1?
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: All your mulligans are gone.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Can you do that?
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. The mulligans are gone. The breakfast
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: balls are done. You've used them all up already. So
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: the nine games left, the way I see it, and
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: everyone's going to look at it differently, and certainly they'd
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: never look at it this way inside the building. It's
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: one game at a time. We've got one week. We've
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: got the Cardinals coming up. That's what we're worried about, blah, blah, blah,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: all that stuff, right? But I think if you look
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: at it realistically... Here's what you have. Arizona, Vegas, Dallas, Giants, Philadelphia,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: and Carolina. You should be favored as Seattle in all
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: six of those games. And then you have three games
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: left against the 49ers, one and two against the Rams.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: So those three games. If you win the six I
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: just talked about, and you go one and two in
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: the other ones, you finish with 11 wins. So you
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: can go, as long as you win one of the
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: three against San Francisco and the Rams, that gets you
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: into the wildcard. That gives you 11 wins, you're going
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: to be a wildcard team. But, I mean, what you
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: just said is true. I also am banking on them
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: beating Arizona, Vegas, Dallas, the Giants, Philadelphia, and Carolina. I'm
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: banking on– and they've already lost to the Commanders. So, like,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: you don't have– you just said it yourself, right? You're 100% right.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: You do not have any margin of error. Like, you've
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: got no margin of error left to go.
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and as a fan, the thing I would be
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: most concerned about is not that I don't think he.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Can win those games. Cause I know how fans think
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: they think, oh.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: We're just going to win all these games, but you just,
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: Chicago's not that good of a defense. Now I know again,
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: you're shuffling your offensive line.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: It wasn't a great night to do that. I don't
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: blame the Seahawks for it.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: Quentin Nelson's going to pay off, but great tables. It's
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: harder than people think to go from left to right guard.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: You got, you're missing your left tackle. So you got
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: crushed that way, but it's not that you just, that
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: you have to win the games. It's that you have
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: to change this offense and what, you know, you're going
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: to fire your offensive coordinator in the middle of the season.
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: I know that's what fans want to do, but it's
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: really difficult.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: This isn't college football. This isn't college football. You don't
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: You, you can't instill a bunch of new properties in
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: a week. You just can't, even if you had a buyer,
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: whatever the case may be, you just can't, it's not, it's.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: Not that easy.
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: It's not like other sports, you know, your offense is
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: going to totally change.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: You just can't do that.
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: And, and, you know, the other thing you could do
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: is personnel. And that comes down to John Schneider. I'm
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: sure there's a bunch of fans yelling to do this
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: and do that. You're not going to mortgage your future
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: unless you feel like you.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: Can win this.
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: Having said that though, your defense is only going to
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: be elite for how many more years?
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the sense of urgency.
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: You want a Superbowl and that's great, but nobody knows
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: more than you and Seahawks fan, you guys and Seahawks fans.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Are You want to win more than one.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: It's great that they won one, but you have an
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: elite defense that can win multiple Super Bowls. So how
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: urgent is John Schneider to go out and mortgage your
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: future to find another receiver or whatever it's going to
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: take offensively to get them on track?
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: And will that even be enough?
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: After the start they're off to, because the North is great.
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: The Niners, I mean, if you look at the Niners schedule,
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: it's the same kind of thing. They don't have a
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: lot of losable games. They're not going to lose a ton.
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: The Rams are going to come on strong. The North
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: is really good. I mean, only he can evaluate how
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: far he thinks this team can go, because while fans
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: are always going to want to mortgage the future, he's
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: got to be the designated driver, so to speak. He
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: can't be the drunk guy just throwing around a bunch
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: of picks.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: The only games, I'm just going to 49er schedule, the
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: ones that, the landmines for San Francisco are, So they
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: go Vegas, Dallas, Minnesota, Seattle, the Giants, the Rams, the Chargers,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: the Chiefs, the Eagles, and the Cardinals. So the one
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: against Seattle, the one against the Rams, and then you'd
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: probably put Minnesota in there and the Chiefs in there.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: So there's really, the 49ers have four games that are probably,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: that are losable, right? That are losable.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: They'll probably go 3-1 in those games, right? Worst-case scenario,
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: they go 2-2. Well, Seattle and the Rams are still
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: behind unless they run the table. The Rams are also
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: an interesting one because you mentioned they all kind of
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: have these similar schedules along the way. For the Rams,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: and that would have been nice if the Chargers showed
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: up last week, Rams go Commanders, Cardinals, win-win. Packers will
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: be a tough one. That's Packers and Chiefs.
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: Especially if they're going to get Micah back.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: That would make a big difference. As long as you
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: can beat women and still play football, as Josh Jacobs
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: is doing multiple times.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Apparently you can.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Apparently that's fine. As long as it's not on tape
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: like Ray Rice, you're okay. Apparently that's how it works
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: these days. Green Bay Packers and Kansas City Chiefs, San
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Francisco 49ers. Those three in a row, November 25th, December 3rd,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: December 13th, those three in a row for the Rams,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: that's their landmine. That's their, you know, can only get
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Seattle twice in the two of the last three games
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: of the year. So there's still some stuff that could happen, but, boy,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: it just feels like for Seattle and for the Rams,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: like you have like one or two losses left on
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: the resume, and that's it. You just said it. You've
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: used up all the mulligans.
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: Well, and the other thing about the 49ers, and I
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: know people won't love to do this, but Kyle's best
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: months record-wise in his career, November, December, and what tends
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: to always happen with these guys is that they have
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: a bunch of early season injuries and everybody panics. And
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: then they get those guys back. They I'm going to
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: knock on wood because maybe this happens right when I
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: say it, it usually does, but You know, they've, they've
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: had a lot of injuries on their team. They just
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: haven't been seasoned enders. And so they start getting guys back.
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: Like they're going to get their second round pick to
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: John struggling back. One of the receivers are going to
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: get Mike Evans back against the Raiders this weekend. You know,
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: they're Debo Samuel. They're getting back Nick Bosa. They're getting
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: back this weekend. They, those guys have been gone for weeks.
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: So can, you know, conceivably they're going to get better.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: The least they should.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: It wouldn't surprise me if the Rams and the Seahawks
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: beat them here. They've done that in the past. The
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: Niners have played well there, at least in the regular season,
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: but And at home, the Seahawks will beat them down here.
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: So they could lose a couple of those games. They
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: have trouble with Kansas city, obviously historically they could, I
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: think Kansas city is different though.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, we saw that in Seattle.
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: I think they can beat them, but still, like you said,
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: even if you don't give them the benefit of the doubt,
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: they play Minnesota and Mexico city. They're wildly popular in
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: Mexico city are the Niners. So that's going to be a,
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: that's going to be a home game. I think they
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: win that one, but you know, even if you don't
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: give them that that's four and right now they have
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: one loss. So they're going to be, you know, at
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: worst 12 and five probably, but at best maybe 14
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: and three. So, you know, it's, it is going to.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Be tough to catch them.
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: And now you're starting to look at the North and
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: what those teams are going to do. And like you said,
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: lions just won. Packers are pretty solid. We just saw
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: the bears. It's going to be tough to get the playoffs,
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: but it's, it's not only a numbers game for Seattle.
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: It's just the way they're playing, you know, and it just,
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: it feels like a super bowl hangover. And the other
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: thing I'd say about the organization, and it's easy for
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: me to say this and all of us to say
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: this at this point, but you're in a super bowl
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: window and And you're going with a first time play
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: caller and it's just showing, you know, it's, it's showing
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: that you can, I don't know why you do that.
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, we've, we've seen Denver do it. Then Sean
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: Payton took it over, but you're in a Superbowl window.
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: You can't go with a first time play caller. And
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: here's the other thing that I find confusing about it is,
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: you know, Kubiak leaves the Niners have a Kubiak.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: You know, you've got two of them. Clint Kubiak is
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator of the 49ers. He's Kyle's right-hand man.
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know why they didn't go Clint Kubiak. Maybe
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: it was just, yeah, I know they interviewed him. I
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: guess it just didn't work out in the interview, and
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: Brian Fleury seemed more their way. But you had another
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: one sitting here in San Francisco, and we asked that
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: right when it was done. Like, why wasn't it Clint Kubiak?
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: Why was it Brian Fleury? Because I told you this
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: right when the hiring happened. It's not that I didn't
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: know him. I did, but I had no idea that
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: he was going to aspire to be an offensive coordinator
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: that quickly.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: I found the hire to be odd from the start.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's feeling that way right now, too, and
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: it's just– It is what it is. All right, well,
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: go Raiders. Good times talking to you yesterday. Anytime you
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: need me to come on and piss off your listeners,
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: let me know. You were awesome, by the way.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: People liked you. It was incredible. Before, they hated you.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: They hated you.
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: Now, next time, you're not going to be nice because
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: you think.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: I haven't been nice.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Imagine if you had Softie on your show. Just imagine that.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, yes, I have.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: He'll never be back on.
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: I did have Hugh Millen on the show and boy,
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: people didn't like that. And I told him afterwards, like,
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: Hugh Millen's great.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: You're the crazy. Cause you know, he was just, he
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: was like, he always does.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Isn't he part of the Husky honks or something like that?
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Your listeners aren't smart enough to understand what he was
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: talking about. That's the problem.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Wow. That hurts. That hurts deep.
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, by saying that my listeners aren't smart.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Enough, you're calling me dumb.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: And I just, that hurts. I know it does.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: I thought we were.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: Good that way.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a line.
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: That you cross. You know, like Draymond Green threw.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: Down a guy yesterday.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, God, did he do that again? Wait, wait, wait.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: He did it again?
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he did. You missed it. Oh, my God.
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he threw down a guy on the Suns. You know,
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: there's just a line that you shouldn't cross. I know.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: I feel bad.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: You called me stupid.
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: No, I didn't call you stupid.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: You called me stupid.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: I called your listeners dumb, not you. Yeah, but by proxy.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: I'm the leader of the dumb. You are the leader.
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: Which is probably not all entirely wrong.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: I just, I had this vision of you walking through
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: that big parking lot next to the roller coaster at
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Levi's stadium. You know, you got like the, the baton
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: out there and you know, like the draw, like the lead,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: the band leader. And here he is, the Pied Piper
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: bringing all his 49er fans in there.
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: They're all just yelling Niners, Niners, Seahawks suck.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: We love Lund. Screw you for this.
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: I get my people after you. There's a lot of them.
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of them.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: I can say all this stuff now because I don't
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: travel down there anymore, so I'm a little safer. I
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be saying this if I was walking through the
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: parking lot.
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: There's no way you would be saying that because I
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: would sick of after you. You know that guy right there? Look,
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: he's got a... He's got a Seahawk logo on the
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: van there.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, God help us.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Big thanks to Chambers Bay Distillery, Town Center, Tasting Room.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: They got trivia again tonight, 7 to 9. Go check
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: it out. Also, man, they got the good... Have you
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: given them the address yet? They're trying to send you
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: some gear, some stuff, right?
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. I got to get to it.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Captain's Reserve.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: I don't have a business. I already have an address.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you.
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: My box, my almost box, does not have an address,
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: so we're having a problem.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: We'll figure it out. Under the bridge down by the river.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: That's John Lyon.
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: That's where I live.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know my address.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: ChambersBayDistillery.com. We'll figure it out. All right, we'll talk to
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: you next week.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: See you.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: That's John Lund. See you. He's done. Get him out
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: of here, Ashley. Say goodbye to him. We'll come back,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: get a couple more talkbacks, and then Ashley has a
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: pick for Factor Fiction next.