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The Most Unbreakable Defensive Records In Ohio State Football History · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes Tomorrow Morning for Tuesday, July fifteenth. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Last week did a show with our buddy Kevin Noon
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  Speaker 1: offucke huddle dot com talking about some of the most
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  Speaker 1: unbreakable records on the offensive side of the ball in
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  Speaker 1: Ohio state history. Today will be taking a look at
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  Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. I'm gonna be doing
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  Speaker 1: that with our buddy Tony Gurnaman of bucke huddle dot Com.
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  Speaker 1: We'll just run through these real quick. I've got nine
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  Speaker 1: for you here, and then Tony and I'll just kind
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  Speaker 1: of go through and we'll pick which ones we think
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  Speaker 1: are maybe the most unbreakable of all. And we're just
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  Speaker 1: going to do this in ascending order right now of
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  Speaker 1: the numbers involved, so we're gonna start with three and
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  Speaker 1: that is the number of interceptions returned for a touchdown
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  Speaker 1: in a season. That's set by Malee Cooker in twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 1: Next up, nine interceptions in a season and by Mike
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  Speaker 1: Sensible and Craig Cassidy. Twenty two interceptions in a career
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  Speaker 1: by Mike Sensiba, twenty nine tackles in a game by
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  Speaker 1: Chris Bielman and Tom Kuzeno. This is the one that
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  Speaker 1: I knew was going to be on that list, because
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  Speaker 1: it's a record that you just you always hear about
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  Speaker 1: and not gonna happen again. Except thirty six that is
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  Speaker 1: number of sacks in a career by Mike Rabel. Forty
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  Speaker 1: nine that's the tackle for lost yardage in a single
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  Speaker 1: game by Tim Siwicky in nineteen seventy nine, sixty six
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  Speaker 1: tackles for loss in a career by Mike Rabel, two
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  Speaker 1: hundred and eleven tackles in a season by Tom Kuzeno.
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  Speaker 1: And finally, five hundred and seventy two that is a
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  Speaker 1: number of tackles in a career by linebacker Marcus Merrick.
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  Speaker 1: So all right, Tony, I will let your honor have
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  Speaker 1: the honor which one of those records is the most unbreakable.
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  Speaker 2: These are all very very good, and really there's probably
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  Speaker 2: like seven that are unbreakable and two that are breakable,
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  Speaker 2: mostly by Fluke. But you know, I could make an
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  Speaker 2: argument that nine interceptions is is very very close to
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  Speaker 2: being unbreakable. But Mollie Cooker did get close. You know,
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  Speaker 2: close is too tying it with seven. There are some
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  Speaker 2: of these that are just your players aren't around long
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  Speaker 2: enough anymore. You're you're gonna be like five hundred and
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  Speaker 2: seventy two tackles. I'll say, is you know you're talking
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty tackles the season for four years basically,
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  Speaker 2: and if you have if your average, if you if
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  Speaker 2: you're freshman season you have one hundred and fifty tackles,
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  Speaker 2: there's pretty good chance you're not gonna have a senior
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  Speaker 2: season of one hundred and fifty tackles because you're going
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  Speaker 2: to be in the NFL. So that's that's one, like
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  Speaker 2: two hundred and eleven tackles. I'm just gonna I don't
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  Speaker 2: mean to go through all of these times because.
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  Speaker 1: You get the first four picks to.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So I will go with this one, picking the
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  Speaker 2: most unbreakable defensive record, I would say, I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 2: five hundred and seventy two tackles in a career. I
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  Speaker 2: just don't think there's enough of them anymore, enough seasons
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  Speaker 2: anymore for somebody that could do that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is the correct answer, because you've
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  Speaker 1: got several things working against you. One is the game
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  Speaker 1: is different and you don't see people picking up twenty tackles.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty five tackles a game like that just doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: And then if someone does do that, they're sure as
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  Speaker 1: heck not playing four seasons at the college level. So
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  Speaker 1: five hundred and seventy two tackles. Just to sort of
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  Speaker 1: put this in perspective, if you were a three year
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  Speaker 1: starter and you played fourteen games each season, so you figure,
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe you make the national championship one year,
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  Speaker 1: maybe you don't the next year, or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 1: To fourteen games a season over three years as a starter,
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  Speaker 1: you would have to average thirteen point six tackles per
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  Speaker 1: game across each of those forty two games to reach
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  Speaker 1: Amerrick's total. Last year, Ohio State's leading tackler was Code Simon.
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  Speaker 1: He averaged seven point four to six tackles per game.
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  Speaker 1: So six tackles short as the leading tackle of Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State and then you have to do that every game
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  Speaker 1: for three years. That feels like probably not, no, you're
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  Speaker 1: not going to get there. One of the things that
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  Speaker 1: kind of leads into that is the fact that there's
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  Speaker 1: just fewer tackles. The game is different, there's fewer plays
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  Speaker 1: you have. You're not running the full back up the
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  Speaker 1: middle thirty times a game, so your Mike linebacker isn't
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  Speaker 1: getting thirty tackles. I mean, I remember when Tough Borland
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  Speaker 1: was the middle linebacker for Ohio State when Army came
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  Speaker 1: to town in twenty what seventeen something like that, and
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  Speaker 1: he had thirteen or fourteen tackles whatever it was, because
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  Speaker 1: they're just running the a back up, you know, right
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  Speaker 1: up the middle and right into Tough Borland over and
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  Speaker 1: over and over and over again. And it was like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: thirteen tackles, that's crazy. Okay, So twenty nine tackles for
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  Speaker 1: Chris Pielman and Tom Kuzino, they both they both had
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  Speaker 1: the record, they share the record. But those are guys
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  Speaker 1: who have played for a long time. Those are guys
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  Speaker 1: who played in the seventies and eighties. The game has
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  Speaker 1: changed quite a bit since then. You just you don't
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  Speaker 1: have that many snaps in a lot of games. On
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  Speaker 1: last week's show, we went through that Ohio State had
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  Speaker 1: only had one game with more than seventy three snaps
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  Speaker 1: on offense total last season. So you have to have
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  Speaker 1: someone making the tackle on like forty percent of the
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  Speaker 1: snaps in a game. And you know, and that would
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  Speaker 1: be probably statistically pretty unlikely that one to me. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's there's several others here that I think are pretty
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  Speaker 1: unlikely to get broken twenty nine tackles. Only two guys
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  Speaker 1: this century for Ohio State, Ryan Shazer and aj Hawk
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  Speaker 1: have even gotten to twenty, let alone twenty nine, and
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  Speaker 1: they both got exactly twenty in those games.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if I recall the Chris Pielman thing, I
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  Speaker 2: was against Michigan and the Ohio State just couldn't get
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  Speaker 2: off the field. So it's it's a big, big stat
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  Speaker 2: but not a great defensive outing for Ohio State. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's one where the game is just different and tough.
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  Speaker 2: Borland had twelve tackles and that game I looked it up,
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  Speaker 2: nine solos, So there was a lot of smash and
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  Speaker 2: that's what the game used to be back then, and
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  Speaker 2: now to have any particular player get more than fifteen, like,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's going to be somebody's career high, no matter
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  Speaker 2: almost who they are.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's. Uh that that feels like a pretty
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure bet to not get broken anytime soon. So
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  Speaker 1: all right, I will take the chance of letting you
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  Speaker 1: pick one one singular one more next next pick before
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  Speaker 1: I get another one.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty two interceptions in a career, and it's it's amazing,
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  Speaker 2: and in the number of interceptions that used to happen
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  Speaker 2: considering the number of throws that that's where like there
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  Speaker 2: feels like they're Mike Sensible had more interceptions in a
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  Speaker 2: season than their actual passes. So how do you intercept
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  Speaker 2: nine passes when they are only seven passes thrown that season?
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  Speaker 2: That's you know, the game was different back then, but
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  Speaker 2: to have twenty two over a career, again, there's for
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  Speaker 2: as much as well as much as there's more growing,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot more accuracy. And these are professional quarterbacks
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  Speaker 2: in most places essentially throwing the ball, whereas back then,
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  Speaker 2: look some of those old timey photos of like the
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  Speaker 2: football cards and even the quarterbacks like I don't. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know that you're supposed to hold the football like that,
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  Speaker 2: but you know what you do. You do. You go
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  Speaker 2: out there and you complete your forty seven percent of
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  Speaker 2: your passes Broadway, Joe, and you go be a Hall
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  Speaker 2: of Famer somehow.
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  Speaker 1: Don't get me started on Joe Namath. I can have.
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  Speaker 1: I have a that is one of my longer message
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  Speaker 1: board rands at one point about Joe Namath being the
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  Speaker 1: single most overrated player in the history of the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: That's a whole separate conversation. Maybe we'll do that. Get
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  Speaker 1: to get Jets fans all angry. Be nice for Jets fans.
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  Speaker 1: I have somebody to be mad about. But yes, twenty
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  Speaker 1: two interceptions in a career by Mike Sensible definitely right
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  Speaker 1: at the top of the list. I thought about making
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  Speaker 1: this my first pick. Sensible is five interceptions ahead of
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  Speaker 1: second place. Fred Burnley. Tony give me within two years
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  Speaker 1: when Fred Burnley play football at Ohio State, and I
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  Speaker 1: will give you a hint. Is a defensive back name
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  Speaker 1: to Fred, So that probably narrows it down to a
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  Speaker 1: certain degree.
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  Speaker 2: All right, within two years either way, nineteen fifty six.
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  Speaker 1: You're very close. I think it was fifty to fifty
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  Speaker 1: two something like that. You're in the right decade. I'll
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  Speaker 1: give you a partial credit for that. But yeah, to
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  Speaker 1: your point earlier, it is telling that these are guys
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  Speaker 1: who played fifty years ago, seventy years ago. The game
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  Speaker 1: has changed quite a bit. You know. It's like, I
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  Speaker 1: think the record for NCAA interceptions by a single quarterback
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  Speaker 1: in a single game, there was a Florida quarterback in
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  Speaker 1: like the late sixties. I think through seven interceptions. Like
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  Speaker 1: walk me through the scenario where a quarterback is allowed
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  Speaker 1: to throw seven interceptions in two games without getting pulled.
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  Speaker 1: That's probably not going to happen these days. And yet
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  Speaker 1: the passing game is just much more efficient, much more effective,
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  Speaker 1: And if you do have someone who's intercepting that many passes,
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  Speaker 1: they're just going to stop throwing in that guy's direction.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a twenty two for him. Definitely a
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  Speaker 1: good pick because the last Buckeye do have as many
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  Speaker 1: as to even come within ten career interceptions of the
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  Speaker 1: record is a med Plumber who played la last played
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  Speaker 1: at Ohio State in nineteen ninety nine. He finished with twelve,
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  Speaker 1: so only ten shy of the career record, and no
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  Speaker 1: one's even gotten that close in this century. So all right,
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  Speaker 1: so that's a good one. That was going to be
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  Speaker 1: my next book. You stole my next pick, so I
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  Speaker 1: will go with how about thirty six sacks in a
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  Speaker 1: career by Mike Rabel. He's five and a half ahead
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  Speaker 1: of Chase Young, who played as a true freshman and
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  Speaker 1: then put together the single most dominant single season in
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  Speaker 1: Ohio state history with what sixteen and a half during
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  Speaker 1: his third season, and he finished five and a half
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  Speaker 1: ahead of Chase Young. So Rabel had the benefit of
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  Speaker 1: playing four seasons to put up his thirty six sacks.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if you get to thirty six and three seasons,
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  Speaker 1: or even close to thirty six and three seasons, you
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  Speaker 1: got to basically be a double digit sack guy for
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  Speaker 1: at least two and maybe three years. Walk me through
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  Speaker 1: the scenario where a guy is a double digit sack
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  Speaker 1: guy for two to three years and doesn't leave for
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  Speaker 1: the NFL after the third season. That feels pretty unlikely
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  Speaker 1: to me. So you know, you could you could see
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  Speaker 1: someone averaging twelve sacks potentially over a couple of seasons,
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  Speaker 1: but you're not going to see them play long enough
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  Speaker 1: probably to beat this record unless you unless you have
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of fifteen game seasons in a row, and
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  Speaker 1: then maybe, but it would still take a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're asking somebody to be just do what
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  Speaker 2: Chase Young did, and that's asking the impossible. Yet, three
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  Speaker 2: and a half sacks as a true freshman, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: if he had played more, and maybe if you wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have been suspended for two games against Maryland and Rutgers
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  Speaker 2: as a junior, he could have gotten those five and
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  Speaker 2: a half sacks and those two games alone. But I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you basically have to be Chase Young, and then you
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  Speaker 2: still come up short or at least produced like Chase Young.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody's check shung. So like this one is, well, the
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  Speaker 2: way Ohio State is recruiting defense ends at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we should have started with this one because it's
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  Speaker 2: not been going well. But yeah, this was This requires
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  Speaker 2: a perfect storm of a lot of things. So it's
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  Speaker 2: I think it's possible, but I don't, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: don't foresee it happening anytime soon because he was just
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  Speaker 2: so dominant and in twenty sixteen and then even you know,
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  Speaker 2: he won his last three games without a sack. So
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  Speaker 2: like there's five games in there where you got nothing
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  Speaker 2: out of him in terms of statistical performance, that that
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  Speaker 2: could have been him. So it's possible to do it
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  Speaker 2: basically in a little over two seasons, and two seasons
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  Speaker 2: as a starter and then as a not even a
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  Speaker 2: rotational freshman.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we'll let you have one more, take your last,
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  Speaker 1: your last pick, and I'll do one more and we'll
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  Speaker 1: call it a day.
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's one maybe this goes right along with it,
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  Speaker 2: the sixty six times for loss in a career, because again,
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  Speaker 2: if you're that productive, you're talking about twenty two tackles
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  Speaker 2: for loss per year for your first three years. And
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  Speaker 2: if you're if you've got twenty two tackles for loss
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  Speaker 2: as a true freshman, you might be like testing the
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  Speaker 2: legal boundaries of what college could do for you any longer.
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  Speaker 2: So that one, maybe we should have drafted a little
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  Speaker 2: bit earlier. So, yeah, sixty six tackles for loss. Like
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  Speaker 2: if for that to be broken at this point, it's
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  Speaker 2: just like this workman, you know, like Rob Landers, who
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  Speaker 2: is not NFL prototype, he's just he's just a plugger
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  Speaker 2: and somehow nobody can stop him, and he gets fifteen
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  Speaker 2: tackles for loss, sixteen tackles for loss a year over
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  Speaker 2: the course of four years, and maybe maybe even has
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  Speaker 2: that true freshman season of like four regular season games
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  Speaker 2: and like three or four postseason games to had some
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  Speaker 2: stats that doesn't count, Like it would take one of
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  Speaker 2: those like fifth year guys of just like, yeah, twelve
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  Speaker 2: tackles were lost, never really good enough to go pro.
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  Speaker 2: But gosh, you know you love him in the locker room.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what he's doing right now. He
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  Speaker 1: is a college football coach at Wittenberg. We see him
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  Speaker 1: out at the Ohio State camps over the summer. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: one of my all time favorites, Robert Landers, just one
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  Speaker 1: of the great characters in Ohio State football. And just
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  Speaker 1: he had that scoop and score was a fumble return
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  Speaker 1: against Indiana that I think got called back. That was
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  Speaker 1: one of the great shames of college football that we
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  Speaker 1: got denied. That great moment. My last one. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm going to sort of cheat here because
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  Speaker 1: no one's tackling two hundred and eleven people in a season.
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  Speaker 1: That's Tom Kuzeno's record. Ryan Chazier was the best one
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  Speaker 1: since two thousand and he got like two thirds of
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  Speaker 1: the way there, So that's not getting broken. The nine
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  Speaker 1: interceptions in a season, that's gonna be pretty hard to break.
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  Speaker 1: But man, I got to go with three interceptions return
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  Speaker 1: for a touchdown in a season. That's Malik Hooker in
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  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. And I know this is one that's not
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  Speaker 1: technically unbreakable because you could, you know, you think about
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  Speaker 1: the guys who've done it, and you just you get
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  Speaker 1: a balance and you run it back and you know,
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  Speaker 1: Haskell Garrett has an interception return for a touchdown, Draymond
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  Speaker 1: Jones has an interception or turn for a touchdown, Like
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to be then you know that you
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  Speaker 1: don't have to be Caleb Downs to do this. But
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  Speaker 1: here's the context. This is a little like the last
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  Speaker 1: one where you look at Jeremiah Smith's true freshman season,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, the last six first round draft picks
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  Speaker 1: add up their freshman seasons and it's basically Jeremiah Smith's
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  Speaker 1: freshman season. Here's the context here. Three interceptions return for
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  Speaker 1: a touchdown in a season by Molie Cooker. No player
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  Speaker 1: in Ohio state history other than Milie Cooker has ever
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  Speaker 1: had more than two in their career, let alone in
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  Speaker 1: a single season. So I don't know that that may
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  Speaker 1: be more of a fun fact than a truly unbreakable record.
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  Speaker 1: But also I'm not betting on anyone breaking it anytime soon.
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  Speaker 2: And don't forget he had one called back against Indiana too.
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  Speaker 2: He had a pick six against Indiana that would have
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  Speaker 2: been his second of the year, but that got called back.
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  Speaker 2: But then he was I don't know how many of
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  Speaker 2: the kids today remember or we got to watch him.
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  Speaker 2: It was incredible to watch him because it was the
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  Speaker 2: closest thing to like a Ted ginn where you're like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna hold my breath and see what happens,
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  Speaker 2: because he made plays out of you know, he covered
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  Speaker 2: so much ground and you knew something special was gonna
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  Speaker 2: happen if he was around the ball. And so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he had. He had the best individual season in the
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State defensive history in my opinion, until Chase Young
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  Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know netic coincidence, did those guys have
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  Speaker 1: had their names come up a little bit in this
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  Speaker 1: show who We'll have one of the best seasons in
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  Speaker 1: the Ohio state history this year? Well, there's only one
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  Speaker 1: including the upcoming Ohio State season. Will Caleb Downs break
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  Speaker 1: That will do it for today. Thank you guys all
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  Speaker 1: for joining us. Have a great day. We'll talk to
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  Speaker 1: you tomorrow.