Latest / For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast / #255 - For Azeroth!: “For Azeroth Compendium 2"
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- 0:09Victory for the Forsaken, for Lord Iran.
- 0:13For the Kirin, Tor. And REO for calendar.
- 0:24Organists. Thus Endora for the alliance for
- 0:37Azeroth. Hello and welcome back to
- 0:42another episode of for Azeroth. I am your host Manny and I am
- 0:47joined by two masters of lore to what a witty.
- 0:52What are we going to say? You know what, let's just cut it
- 0:54short. We have impervium and we have
- 0:56discordant Kitty. Joining me back again for
- 0:59another episode of the, for Azeroth compendium.
- 1:02How are you guys today? How are you impervium?
- 1:05I'm good. I'm glad it's Friday.
- 1:08I'm glad taking some Time off, just doing stuff playing, some a
- 1:1310-point 0.7 and learning, all the crazy stuff from there and
- 1:19having fun getting RP, a little bit.
- 1:21Actually, the retail RP that's been interesting.
- 1:24Okay, a lot of fun. I yeah, I think I'm gonna have
- 1:27to ask you about that sometime, just because like, there's so
- 1:30much, there's so much that happens in this game, where,
- 1:34when I'm reading and when I'm doing Mythic plus, it's great
- 1:37but like, there's so many sections of this game but I just
- 1:39can't Completely ignore. And it's, you know, it's not to
- 1:42my knowledge, my own benefit. I just like have limited time
- 1:46but I'm glad to be pull you guys away from 10-point 0.7 and
- 1:49pulling away from Diablo because that's where like half my
- 1:53friends. Are this weekend.
- 1:56Kitty. Why aren't you off playing
- 1:58Diablo? How are you doing this?
- 2:01I have time in my life for one game.
- 2:04Well to actually I'm not playing Diablo, I'm playing sounds of
- 2:06the forest but at the moment, And it's mostly just trying to
- 2:11allow unloving 10-point 0.7, but this whole having the patch and
- 2:16then the next patch already meets, I'm very overwhelmed.
- 2:22Yes, there's no time, there's no time.
- 2:25It's kind of, it's so weird thinking about that, too, where
- 2:27we had like, how many months between 10:00 it would be 1005,
- 2:35you know, 10:05 and out in 07 and then like before is 1000 and
- 2:38then 1005, it's so weird. How this this is definitely a
- 2:42different world than in Shadow lands, where it's like, man,
- 2:45this is stretching on, I'd like some new stuff.
- 2:48I've really glad that they fulfill that promise of getting
- 2:51Stuff out to us. But yeah, you guys are right.
- 2:55I don't know. I feel like this isn't my first
- 2:57rodeo with this kind of cadence. I remember playing back in Mists
- 3:01of Pandaria, and right? You had the first patch, you had
- 3:06all of those Ray's coming out, one after another and then
- 3:08suddenly dominants offensive was out in your like, oh my
- 3:11goodness. Oh yeah.
- 3:13I'm glad I wasn't covering the game back then.
- 3:15So the first patch I played, I mean the first expansion I
- 3:21played. I didn't get to max level.
- 3:23I didn't do max level content at all.
- 3:26I just enjoyed leveling my character throughout the entire
- 3:29expansion. My friends were so irritated
- 3:31with me. I wanted me to come read with
- 3:34them and I was like, no, I'm doing the story.
- 3:38Well, that's a good question. When did you start playing?
- 3:41I actually, well, I technically started in burning Crusade, but
- 3:47it wasn't, my comes. It was a friend's account.
- 3:51I only got my own accounts during cataclysm so to be fair
- 3:56to me cataclysm was when they did the world revamp and I had
- 3:59already done quite a lot of questing before then on the old
- 4:03world. So I really loved the world
- 4:05revamp and all the changes they had made.
- 4:07So I played through the entire story, which is a lot more than
- 4:11most expansions. So yeah, yeah, no.
- 4:16I was much the same cataclysm. I know a lot of people
- 4:21Complained that it was that there was nothing to do between
- 4:24raids but somebody who loves the story, there was a lot for me to
- 4:28do and I went through every Zone, even though I had already
- 4:31gotten my loremaster just going through and doing all that
- 4:34story. Impervium, weird question to
- 4:38you. When did you first start playing
- 4:41idly started? Playing with vanilla way.
- 4:43Back in the day, my step dad owned a pay and play kind of
- 4:47game shop and he had a bunch of accounts of like different
- 4:51games. Computers and consoles and
- 4:53everything. I remember World of Warcraft was
- 4:55one of the first ones I played in parallel to City of Heroes,
- 4:59was the other big MMO that I was playing.
- 5:02So I was, I literally switch back and forth between those
- 5:04two. All the time was just like
- 5:06flavor of the month for me. But I was Probably been I would
- 5:12have been 10 years old so I wouldn't have really didn't get
- 5:17into the depth of it all it was more of just like I love
- 5:21Warcraft 3 I play that. So many times I started playing
- 5:24getting into the world kind of like what Discord kid and said
- 5:28this accordion said sorry it's been a long day.
- 5:31Sorry. But like just leveling and like
- 5:34enjoying my character and not caring about getting to the very
- 5:37top level and doing all the in-game stuff and I And to the
- 5:41point, I didn't get to in-game stuff until Wrath of the Lich
- 5:45King. Like that was the first time I
- 5:46ever gotten a max level character with in the expansion
- 5:50timeframe. And I'm glad I did because ICC
- 5:54was like wow still one of the best raids in my opinion.
- 5:58I'm partial discourage. Anyway, so with that entire like
- 6:02initial leveling and everything we have had two big Heritage
- 6:09Quest. That also harken back.
- 6:11Acted initials leveling the orc Heritage Quest and the human
- 6:15Heritage Quest. Now I have personally been able
- 6:18to play the orc one and I have watched the human one as well
- 6:25and they both have that sort of like go back to the very start
- 6:28sort of call back and yeah, it I love, I love those.
- 6:33Callbacks I love the how it's been touching on all these
- 6:35things throughout the histories of both those races and What
- 6:41about you guys? I know impervium.
- 6:43We had talked about it before you played through the human
- 6:46one, right? Oh, did I finished that
- 6:51yesterday? I boosted a hunter that I'm
- 6:54playing right now and I totally forgot that one of the
- 6:57requirements for all the heritage is to get to exalted on
- 7:01the reputation. So I had to grind out low-level
- 7:05zones at level 70, going through Red Bridge and duskwood and West
- 7:10Falls and you all of them. The faster ways to grab a Is to
- 7:16run through Dungeons and go, grab a Tapper.
- 7:18You want to you want to run magisters Terrace.
- 7:21Took me two hours. Oh you know what you're not
- 7:23wrong. I actually thought the Nerf that
- 7:25I thought they said that like it had to be up to your level.
- 7:28You can like run through Legacy stuff we to I was oh really.
- 7:31I just something that gives you reputation and you're wearing
- 7:34that a bird. You will get the reputation
- 7:36towards a tough action. All right.
- 7:39Well, that's great to know. Now that I have already done, it
- 7:42running through old zones again really earned that reputation.
- 7:46And you earned that Heritage s9i, that was that was a good
- 7:50couple days of grinding that Brett was pretty fun.
- 7:53But yeah, to your, to the point where it felt very back to the
- 7:58beginning with the humans, where the defias Brotherhood is the
- 8:01central villain of this whole quest of the whole Heritage
- 8:06armor Quest chain and it felt like I was going through, you
- 8:11know, you go, you go to Westfall, you go to you know
- 8:14what gold shared you go to Cold shower and lines it.
- 8:17And it's like, I felt like I was back just playing like a level
- 8:2310 human and just going through deadmines again for the
- 8:28billionth time, but it was something different again, like
- 8:32it felt Felt like a homecoming. Felt like everything, just came
- 8:36to a giant Circle and there was some parts of the the storyline
- 8:41that stuff to me. I don't know if you saw this
- 8:45man, a or Kitty with the stay a while and listen part with
- 8:51Matthias Shaka to the new Vanessa vancleef.
- 8:56That part that part was great. I loved seeing the interactions.
- 8:59Those stay awhile and listens. Those are awesome.
- 9:02Just like, listen to characters interact with each other, but
- 9:06just like Mathias reminiscing about the early days of Edwin
- 9:10vancleef and Vanessa's like what she experienced with her father
- 9:16and it was like heartbreaking. It's like like Vanessa didn't
- 9:20get to experience the side that that Mathias Shaw got to
- 9:24experience. It was just like the two sides
- 9:27of the same coin kind of scenario and it it was like man
- 9:31I want to know more so much more when a no so good.
- 9:36Okay, great. I'm not sure if either one of
- 9:40you did the Attunement to onyxia, Slayer back in the day
- 9:48because discordian you said that you started later.
- 9:52And I think even by ICC time When they, because they did a go
- 9:58back to an excuse layer right about that raid time as well,
- 10:02and I think they had taken out the Attunement, but there was an
- 10:06achievement Quest that, like, kind of that lined up with this,
- 10:11like, in order to unlock the layer, and, like uncover lady
- 10:17presser that you actually had Quest that were involved with
- 10:20that. So when they were doing that
- 10:22flashback, Pulling on the, the heartstrings there so much.
- 10:29But I again I got to watch somebody else play because the
- 10:33character that I had that actually did that way back in
- 10:37like burning Crusade days, one wasn't human to doesn't exist
- 10:42anymore. Believe I deleted that job in
- 10:44ages ago. I had a thing where I would
- 10:49every expansion up until cataclysm.
- 10:52I would create A new Shaman to level up to max level.
- 10:56Like I never started burning Crusade at level, 60 going going
- 11:00into 70. I started burning Crusade
- 11:03rolling my draenei Shaman because I wanted to do the new
- 11:06thing and shamans could be Alliance and then getting that
- 11:08all the way up. And then I fell off of the game
- 11:11in burning Crusade. So then when wrath came and my
- 11:14friend started playing I was like okay I'm gonna do that.
- 11:16But then I started another character and went all the way
- 11:19but like I didn't get to play that through.
- 11:22So when you're talking about the Stay a while, and listen Parts.
- 11:26I didn't quite get to see all of those but they were definitely
- 11:29there on the orc side. I have to ask you guys, from
- 11:32what I was seeing when my friend was playing, they kind of are
- 11:36redeeming. Vanessa vancleef.
- 11:38They they are really just like, it's hits her face.
- 11:42Turn to use a wrestling term. I really hope that after the
- 11:46events of this, we do see Vanessa on the good side helping
- 11:51out in wherever they want to and the a lot of these make me want
- 11:55them to we were talking about cataclysm in the zone revamps.
- 11:58I want to see particular zones revamped like I want to see
- 12:01Westfall get brought up by want to see your rhetoric, it brought
- 12:05up but specifically for The Human Side like what was your
- 12:09favorite part of that discordia? Getting did you actually get to
- 12:12play? I haven't played The Human Side
- 12:14of only played the oxide. You only got the way the other
- 12:17side like me. I have a human and I can choose
- 12:20the experience in two hours. Well, but no, I haven't yet then
- 12:27improving. We're really relying on you as
- 12:29the alliance Advocate on this side bar, for those stay a while
- 12:35and listen stuff, I know that. Like, again, you go back to like
- 12:40the monastery, right? When you start and say initial
- 12:42Quest Giver that's like, oh recruit, it's good to see you
- 12:45again. And you've come so far like
- 12:48where they just constantly pulling more of that stuff.
- 12:51Like, how was, how was the Overall, feel for those.
- 12:56So they did they did bring back those guys, because there's the
- 13:00very end me want to get into spoilers.
- 13:03It means he's all there, but basically you go back to
- 13:07Northshire to stop the person who stole the thing.
- 13:12I'll just, I'll just say that for a spoiler warnings but you
- 13:15do go back to Northshire and all of the NPCs.
- 13:18Are you interact with a level 1? Are there still and they
- 13:22recognize you when you when you pull up and you're getting Quest
- 13:25from them and You know, refer you to Champion all the stuff
- 13:30they bring, they bring that back.
- 13:31That's basically the biggest call back to everything.
- 13:36For the, for the human starting zone being under attack again
- 13:41and and it's a, I think the funniest part was, I don't know
- 13:45why I thought of it, but Millie Oz worth the the lady that you
- 13:48get the grapes for from the, from the fields.
- 13:52She was there and she was just, like beating like Three people
- 13:57at once. Just like soloing by herself and
- 13:59I was like, you know what, Let's Go All Those Grapes or like
- 14:03helping you out somehow or something.
- 14:04I don't know if you were like making wine and you're like
- 14:07pumped up on wine or something, I don't know.
- 14:11But I saw her doing that and that made me smile to see all
- 14:14these characters that I, that I once got Quest from and
- 14:19interacted with, you know, all they're still, right, not new
- 14:24characters, not all this crazy. Like, you know, Lions guard.
- 14:29Bunch of its 41 guard are all over the place.
- 14:32No, it's literally just all those NPCs are just fighting for
- 14:35their lives and your get to help them out again.
- 14:38Again, they re revamps they added new ABC's to, to moon to
- 14:44Moon Brooke. And deadmines, you don't go into
- 14:47deadlines, which was fine with me.
- 14:49I was like, I don't need another instance dead mind scenario or
- 14:53have to go through all of it to get to the end.
- 14:55You just go. Go to the part where there's a
- 14:59few Bridges, right? Before the actual instance
- 15:01itself, and then the NPC's you relay.
- 15:05The device Brotherhood is being basically usurped from Vanessa
- 15:09vancleef and they're interacting with a noble who has the thing
- 15:14and you realize it's a rogue organization.
- 15:17There's user being, you know, power shifts, it's gonna happen,
- 15:22it happened, congratulations, and then Vanessa vancleef there,
- 15:26Is like a little bit of a retribution or a forgiveness Arc
- 15:30kind of thing where, you know, you get, you get to the end, she
- 15:34helps you out. She's not as like vengeful about
- 15:38her dad. The state stay a while and
- 15:40listen she was willing to talk about the past with her dad to
- 15:45sha because Shaw knew her dad ultimately.
- 15:49And I'm sure that was you know, hurtful for her to have to bring
- 15:52up that past and I'm sure that spoke out to players as well,
- 15:55right? Cuz you know what, if they had
- 15:58that kind of same interaction with their parents IRL, or even
- 16:02if you are peed me, vrp, that kind of stuff, too, you say that
- 16:05as well. But I, but I learned that there
- 16:07was a rogue. If you're played as a rogue, you
- 16:10get a special interaction. I don't know what it is, I
- 16:13didn't look it up but it basically goes into the
- 16:16uncrowned where Van Cleef was part of the uncrowned along with
- 16:20you. And I can remember if she refers
- 16:23to you as the title like remember this.
- 16:26My name is. I'll talk my head.
- 16:28No, I can't remember it either. But, yeah, they could because
- 16:31like, even if you're playing through it and you're not a
- 16:34rogue Mathias, Shaw says, like, oh, this shadowy organization
- 16:38and I can't, I know that's the uncrowned, right?
- 16:40And the fact that like Vanessa isn't like the absolute evil
- 16:45that she was coming out of deadmines, is them
- 16:48acknowledging, the her role in the uncrowned and in Legion.
- 16:52So like it's already partly shifted there as well.
- 16:55So, Yeah, I would really love to see what that interaction is the
- 16:59little Easter eggs. They would put in for the Rogue.
- 17:02Yeah, I got to look at that as well, but like I said before it
- 17:06felt very reminiscent of the old days of planning human it felt
- 17:10like a true human quest. Line here, human Heritage quest
- 17:15line, that's what it felt like at the end of the day and it
- 17:19felt, it felt pretty awesome playing through that.
- 17:22So I do think that there A couple things that were mirrored
- 17:28on both the orc and The Human Side.
- 17:30And I'm sure Kitty. You would agree with me from
- 17:32hearing what was just said, because when you're going
- 17:36through on the orc side, there is again going back to the
- 17:41original starting zone. There is this entire thing of
- 17:44like, all these callbacks, I really loved the fact that like
- 17:49the, I mean, there's no deus ex machina item that's being
- 17:53chased. After, in terms of the orc side,
- 17:55it is really Very much the Orcs saying, like, okay, we've come
- 18:00this far in finding our place in Azeroth, but we've kind of lost
- 18:05who we were while trying to find our new life.
- 18:08And so, the original plan is to like, bring back this ceremony
- 18:12of the Orcs, like choosing their Destiny at this particular age,
- 18:16but rather than just have that return, it quickly changes to.
- 18:20No, no, let's have a new ceremony that shows that were no
- 18:22longer what we were while still acknowledging that.
- 18:26Teacher, I think that's a very meta kind of play of it because
- 18:31the Orcs are no longer what they were back in drain or they've
- 18:34gone through so much including like becoming the actual horde
- 18:38and the wars that have come from that and now the new horde under
- 18:42thrall. What it means to be The Horde
- 18:45after the fourth War and the creation of the council where
- 18:49the The Horde isn't just Orcs. So their Works can't just say,
- 18:53oh yeah, where the horde, they're only a subsection,
- 18:55they're off. And I think, I think some of the
- 18:59most wonderful things were when you are at the main.
- 19:03Like, okay, we're going to have this ceremony, the stay a while
- 19:07and listen conversations that you could have with so many lure
- 19:11characters, there are so many I don't want to name them all,
- 19:14like this gritty Kitty. What were your top three
- 19:17characters that you were like ran into?
- 19:18You're like, oh my goodness, man, Freddy, I am.
- 19:24I'm writing articles for Work about the or quests, I'm
- 19:28particular. So I went into it being like,
- 19:32you know, I'm not an old man. I like aux, I like stroll.
- 19:35I've always liked thrall and, you know, I'm doing this for
- 19:38work really otherwise I would have probably left it for a
- 19:41while before, you know, going and I had a boosted or Quintin.
- 19:47And I just, I wasn't expecting to feel the way this Quest makes
- 19:51me feel and like, I don't know why because obviously it word
- 19:56I've said, like I technically started in burning Crusade but
- 19:59I've started with this world in Warcraft, 3, and thrall.
- 20:04I mean, obviously, I love Savannah's have always loved
- 20:06Sylvanas despite what they've done to her, or what they did to
- 20:10her, but thrall is also like, I love thrall, the reason I am.
- 20:16I'm horde and as much as I'm open and open minded and play on
- 20:20both sides. My main is always hold is really
- 20:23because of thrall and his philosophy.
- 20:26So I've read a lot about him and I know all this Orchestra and I
- 20:30know about this this Clan Gathering that they used to have
- 20:34and how important it was on Draenor and and all these
- 20:38characters and they all matter. And the first thing that
- 20:41happened in this quest line is you meet thralls kids And asked
- 20:46I started like, choking sounds like they're their people and
- 20:55that's about, it doesn't talk at all.
- 20:56She still hides away. That's before we even get to the
- 21:00quest I'm sitting here like, oh my God, there's children and
- 21:04they're, they're humans and they have while not humans.
- 21:08They aux but I think their entire people and they have
- 21:11their own pet name, summer, and winter.
- 21:14Did you notice that? They each have their own wolf
- 21:16and, and then we made drek thar, who's like, so excited to see
- 21:22us. And it's basically the old man
- 21:24that everyone's been ignoring and I feel terrible.
- 21:27Why have I not been visiting him?
- 21:29Clearly I should have been visiting him and again, this is
- 21:33before we even get to the big Feast, I'm like having a
- 21:37meltdown here. Then we get to the big feast and
- 21:40it's every single orc that matters.
- 21:44What? That exist that I can think of
- 21:46every single one, from the new ones, from the Exiles reach
- 21:53thing with like Yeah, from EXO's reach all the way back to.
- 21:59Like the oldest talks that you can remember the people who, you
- 22:04know, the people you first met, it's just incredible.
- 22:08And every single one of them feels like they have something
- 22:10to say and you walk around you talk to them and they all and
- 22:13then grown is there. And that's that was one of the
- 22:16top ones for me, because I've always loved groaner.
- 22:20But I did chuckle when they said, oh yes, the alliance have
- 22:23spies outside and I was like, no they don't.
- 22:26They've got gröna right there. Like I love grown up but she's
- 22:31the lines. Let's pee she goes.
- 22:36Yes. Yeah, she plays both sides.
- 22:42It was actually it was so overwhelming.
- 22:45I've got just hundreds of notes of all these characters and all
- 22:50All the things they've said. And I can't tell you right now.
- 22:53Other than gröna who immediately is like my favorite that I met.
- 22:58I was just every single person I spoke to was, oh my God, you're
- 23:02here, you have something to say, and then you hear and you have
- 23:06something to say and uh, yes, yeah, I know this.
- 23:11There's so many, like, every Clan is represented exiled
- 23:14Clans, even the dragon maw, they put their lot in with garage and
- 23:20You think that they would be not welcome, but they have their
- 23:24flag standing by either. They're in the back corner, but
- 23:27there there's three got their flag saying hi.
- 23:29There is one member of The Shadow Moon that is off in the
- 23:33far corner. And is like, the last standing
- 23:35member, and she just says like that.
- 23:38Her clan is all, but gone, but she wants to make sure that
- 23:41she's guiding people as they use these dark Forces not to fall
- 23:45down the same path that her clan went.
- 23:47And like, when you get to choose your clan because you get to
- 23:50Teacher. Can I just wanted to be like I'm
- 23:51gonna be Shadow. Mom is like revive the clan like
- 23:55uh, like yeah, I 100% agree. There was just so much that was
- 23:59being brought from all these different sections of every part
- 24:05of the, of the story. Even having some people being
- 24:08like, is that are blademaster there.
- 24:11I'm like, oh, I'm super intimidated to go.
- 24:12Talk to him and it was amazing. Absolutely, the stay a while and
- 24:18listen were Fantastic. One thing that you kind of
- 24:23reminded me of is that right? When we first meet Agra and this
- 24:29is not a big spoiler, but like they finally make Agra farseer a
- 24:34Timeless. They say, it's been too long and
- 24:36I'm like, you're damn right. It's been too long.
- 24:39She when she's first introducing you, she refers to her husband
- 24:43as thrall and I was just thrown by that for a bit because for
- 24:48the longest time she has refused to use that name.
- 24:52She has always said, go L but her first vo.
- 24:55She actually says thrall with the vo line.
- 24:58And I was not sure if that was just cheese softened on the name
- 25:03or it's become more interchangeable for her in your
- 25:07mind. Would that throw Oh you as much
- 25:09or it is that sort of natural in like how their relationship may
- 25:13have developed for you. Yeah I was I didn't I didn't
- 25:17actually notice it but now that you say it that isn't in
- 25:21character but I did notice one or two typos through when it
- 25:27when I was like taking down Quest text and stuff, there's
- 25:30one or two. So I mean this is not a quest
- 25:33that was on the PTR. It's one of the things that they
- 25:36held back so it's possible Isabel that's a mistake.
- 25:40On the other hand, he does use the name thrall.
- 25:44He uses both and it's actually impossible to just change into
- 25:48girl, you can't like his name is thrall in the game so maybe she
- 25:53has sort of softened to it. Maybe it's taken on a new
- 25:55meaning for her. Yeah, it.
- 25:59She only uses it once and it's literally the first voice over
- 26:03line that you have from her. That was quite strange.
- 26:06The other thing that I felt was like, I'm hoping this is not a
- 26:10mistake, but a conscious decision.
- 26:12But duroc who is throttle the throttle son, he does not have
- 26:17that Gruff Timber. That every orc has, he doesn't
- 26:19go like a Hermit or like, he actually speaks with it with,
- 26:24like, a very upbeat energetic voice.
- 26:27Maybe it's because he hasn't hit puberty yet.
- 26:30I'm not sure. That's what I'm that's what I'm
- 26:32banking on is that he hasn't hit that age where the gruffness
- 26:35comes in and noticed, both of the kids had blue eyes like
- 26:38thrall, which I thought was cute but yeah, he kind of sounds like
- 26:43a human to me but I like him very much.
- 26:48He's a great little great little guy.
- 26:52Yeah, if he doesn't have a unique model yet they just like
- 26:56sort of downsize, the adult orc model but yeah, I liked him.
- 27:01I liked his energy. I loved when he was like falling
- 27:03us around for part of the quest. I think that he, I'm hoping that
- 27:09they will keep that voice actor that he will come into the story
- 27:12more. This is once again another thing
- 27:15where this Heritage Quest clearly takes place in a very
- 27:18particular point in time, but I'm hoping that Things from
- 27:23these Heritage Quest. Inform the future that we do
- 27:26see, Vanessa taking on the name that she decided to after the
- 27:30human campaign. And he's helping out in Westfall
- 27:33that we do see the event. After we've helped the spirit of
- 27:37the land and maybe that changes Durrett are or at least that
- 27:40section of dirt are a bit. I mean, when I did that Quest, I
- 27:43was like World Vic revamp. It's coming.
- 27:46It has to come. Like first of all, absolutely
- 27:49no. The dragon riding is coming.
- 27:52It's like going To be worldwide because they've said it will be.
- 27:55There said it's Unthinkable not to have it, you know, be a major
- 27:58part of the future of. Well we know that the world
- 28:01needs a revamp like especially for Dragon riding.
- 28:05And they're specifically saying that they're changing the like,
- 28:10the quest there that their Quest.
- 28:13Literally basically says the landscape is going to change
- 28:17because of what you've done, they has to be a world revamp.
- 28:21It has to be coming and it has Give the Orcs a Homeland that
- 28:24looks more like their Homeland on Draenor and isn't a desert
- 28:29anymore and uh, I'm just so here for it.
- 28:31I need this to happen. I know this is quite lower
- 28:36based, but like the tire the entire reason that like we
- 28:39didn't get so much in cataclysm it's because he spent so much
- 28:43time, revamping the old world. I just, I don't know how they
- 28:48could do it. I have a solution.
- 28:50Oh, dragonflies is going to be longer.
- 28:52And so they have time for the world revamp.
- 28:57They've been working on it for how long now like they say they
- 28:59have like three expansions and development at any given time
- 29:03and I can see them giving more time for for dragonflight
- 29:06because there's so much story that they could do with
- 29:09dragonflight like between Moore's on coming around.
- 29:13And if you want to do chromatics, you could do that.
- 29:15Galakrond is a thing. You still have to deal with the
- 29:18Primal and carnets like, you have to eat.
- 29:19There's so much they could do with dragon lore alone that that
- 29:24it will give enough time. To create that to create however
- 29:28much time. They need to do the world
- 29:30revamp, and I totally think that they're going to do one.
- 29:33It's long overdue. Absolutely long overdue and I
- 29:37think Now's the Time to do it. I think you have great ekron.
- 29:42You know they're they're they don't like already crying.
- 29:45The the aspects are afraid of him for some reason, I don't
- 29:48know why I want to. We want to do a little Theory
- 29:52crafting here because because we know We know that from what
- 29:59alexstrasza said, you know, their clutch mates, right?
- 30:02So they know each other, they're all from the same you know, Cut
- 30:04From the Same Cloth kind of thing.
- 30:07I want to say that Deathwing and heretic Ron, we're both twins at
- 30:12one point. That's why Riddick Ron knows so
- 30:15much about where all of now thorens things are right is that
- 30:21they just they just know he just knows because they're both twin.
- 30:26It'd be so awesome, they're both be there both of Earth, you
- 30:31know, they're both Earth primals, the stuff like that,
- 30:35and I think it would be really cool if there was a connection
- 30:39of that magnitude. I'm just saying, I think they
- 30:43just they butted heads the most and knew each other because of
- 30:47like this, rivaly they both shape the Earth and a deep
- 30:51places. So they were like the most like,
- 30:55on par mirror. Our mirrors of each other,
- 30:58whereas all the other aspects, they don't have overlaps in
- 31:02powers like, we'd see with the other incarnates.
- 31:05Well, The frosting coordinator name is gone from a head but the
- 31:12Winter Queen, but not, yes. Yeah, that would have removed.
- 31:16I definitely got overlapping paths with malygos because not
- 31:19only, is she got the power of a frost and ice, but she's
- 31:24cleaning the intelligent one, you can see from The Cinematic
- 31:29that she's the one. Who's going to decode the
- 31:30language, she's the intellectual and the group.
- 31:34So there is that. And then I guess, Fire back with
- 31:37fire is kind of supposed to overlap with alexstrasza, but
- 31:44yeah, that's where it sort of falls apart.
- 31:46It was tough to say, like for rock is basically the theory
- 31:49part of Deathwing, right? Is basically the power of death
- 31:54wing and I think a Riddick Ron is supposed to be the
- 31:56intelligence of neltharion in a sense because as you see, from
- 31:59The Cinematic erratic Ron is very level-headed, he knows what
- 32:03to do. He's not going to let he's not
- 32:07going to let the power. Like he just been releasing his
- 32:09like, I'm gonna start, you know, destroying everything like he's
- 32:12like he's like no, no, yes, very grounded.
- 32:16Yes, exactly. Yeah, I guess I guess you are
- 32:21the parallels with malygos and I gotta look up her name.
- 32:25I'm gonna go. Okay.
- 32:26But while you're looking that up I really do think that you've
- 32:30given us the perfect segue because 10-point 0.7 opened up
- 32:34with the Cinematic that introduced these incarnates.
- 32:38And we finally got to see them interacting with each other and
- 32:43how those Dynamics work that we've just been talking about,
- 32:46as well as of course, their form.
- 32:49When they're not a dragon form and actually having their
- 32:52humanoid forms and this is fool man.
- 32:55Their visits worms are just so good, so good.
- 32:59And everybody, everybody fell in love with, try Iraq in that,
- 33:04that little chuckle. But like Riddick on.
- 33:08Yes, he's intimidating. He is very intimidating.
- 33:12I kind of want a toy to turns me to look like that.
- 33:16Transformer. He's one of my favorite thing
- 33:18about a Recon is, he's Wearing shapewear because he's got this
- 33:22belt strapped around his chest, to hold it together.
- 33:26Yes. Which reminds me very much of
- 33:30not Aryan. Because you can see his chest is
- 33:32almost like falling open and with the belt, it's like he's
- 33:37holding it together which is like, obviously call back to
- 33:43North Aryan and how when it became Deathwing, his he is
- 33:47visit form was also like he had to be helped.
- 33:49The but not there. Ian head steel plates, the whole
- 33:52team together and already Quran is just using leather straps
- 33:55because that's much. How much of it?
- 33:59It's really corny is but the visit form that looks like.
- 34:04The winds are queen is very interesting because the winter
- 34:08Queen's sister is obviously elune.
- 34:11And if they are sisters, you have to ask yourself.
- 34:14Do they look similar? And is this what this visit form
- 34:17is based on like, did she? Meets the winter queen or did
- 34:21she meet in Loon or is it just you know, I think it's pure be
- 34:26honest, I think they just they just look very similar.
- 34:30I don't think there's any connection between them because
- 34:34Yet. I mean a loon balloon.
- 34:38Visited you, Sarah? I don't know.
- 34:40Balloon would have ever visited, beer enough?
- 34:44This is her name. Well, like, I don't know,
- 34:47there'd be any reason to wouldn't necessarily say loon
- 34:51visited. Very nice.
- 34:52But I would suggest that, like, if you read folks in fairy tales
- 34:57of Azeroth, the ones story about elunatan.
- 35:00I think it's one of the Turin fairy tales.
- 35:03That she used to be on earth or like she used to be part of
- 35:08Azeroth or she was she was here and like I mean, it's obviously
- 35:12all very sort of mythological and it's hard to pin it down but
- 35:17it makes me wonder what did Azeroth look like before the
- 35:20Titans? Got you really?
- 35:22Because we know that the titled narrative is not entirely true.
- 35:27We know that the old gods, obviously the stuff that the old
- 35:31gods did as well. But what is Azeroth without any
- 35:35of these outside factors, what was it like, and why is elune
- 35:39worships on Azeroth if she is not specifically, you know and
- 35:44Azeroth Ian. God she seems to be more than
- 35:46just, you know, related to Azeroth.
- 35:50Why does Azeroth no aliens or well?
- 35:52Why is? She such a big deal and is a
- 35:54possible that she was on Azeroth, the same way that the
- 35:57tire like the yeah, the Titans were at some points and I just
- 36:04wonder if the Prime on carnets had seen elune at some point.
- 36:11I mean, it would be odd for her to base her look upon like a
- 36:17loon and the other aspects, not basing, their look on, something
- 36:21else, the way that it was sort of put forward was that unlike
- 36:26the aspects that are trying to like mingle or relate to the
- 36:31other Mortal races, The Incarnate were just looking for
- 36:36intimidation. They didn't care about like
- 36:39looking similar and approachable.
- 36:42They looked like looking and I'm just gonna say it pat not for
- 36:50sure. First of all, that is true in a
- 36:53recent interview I think Steve dinu's are basically said,
- 36:56they're not trying to look like any any mortal races which was a
- 37:01surprise to me because fry She does look like a motor race.
- 37:04He looks like the ancient bottle.
- 37:06Race of the pre drakon ID. I can never pronounce the name,
- 37:09right? I read it, I don't say it but
- 37:13they're a big forbidden. Retrace and his form is very
- 37:17similar to this. And then if you're trying to be
- 37:21intimidating, surely a look that copies a God or D Pantheon
- 37:28member would be pretty intimidating as a look.
- 37:33That's true. Maybe they have like, you know,
- 37:35statues and stuff up there. And then it's just like, whoa,
- 37:38wait, wait, dere's a similarity there, and that like brings
- 37:42Devotion to. But when I'm looking at these
- 37:47guys, obviously the trailer, there's very little time to
- 37:51understand who they are who they are.
- 37:52So they, they really have to like, nailed down.
- 37:56Stuff and go with a lot of it being like, what you infer.
- 38:00So, unfortunately, the poor ice incarnate that we will
- 38:04continuously forget the name of she is very aloof, very cold,
- 38:09right? So, they working off of that
- 38:11inference fire. Heck is hot-headed, and so they
- 38:14continue to work off that that inference and Riddick on, has
- 38:19that Stony facade and is hard to read.
- 38:21And so they're very much kind of trying to follow that.
- 38:25What you see is Is what you're you're getting but they were a
- 38:29couple of lines in this short intro trailer, that really
- 38:34caught my eye, they land on the Forbidden reach.
- 38:39The storm is clearing and even though she supposedly the cold
- 38:42one, the I see, one are our Frost Queen is what I'm just
- 38:46going to call her. Now, the frost Queen see, she's
- 38:50the only one who laments about her sisters passing.
- 38:55She says, the storms are gone. She Is truly gone and then our
- 38:59hot-headed one. Hey wait, he has a reaction,
- 39:03it's anger. He's like, we should be burning
- 39:04them down. They've caught it, they've hurt
- 39:07one of our own. That's it.
- 39:08Like, let's make them pay and there are those reactions there,
- 39:12but Riddick on continues to be Stony in passive and just not
- 39:18moved by it. And that caught me as like, oh,
- 39:23is he does, he not care as much about his fellows as the other
- 39:26R2 like they had very like understandable reactions even
- 39:31though they were different and then when they go into the hall
- 39:37and of course Frost Queen is like wow they hit so many
- 39:40secrets from us and from each other I immediately thought.
- 39:45Wait a second. Riddick Ron made deals that the
- 39:49other ones they said they're not probably aware of all the things
- 39:53that he did after they got caught and he was desperate and
- 39:56Had to keep deals going and he stays completely silent.
- 40:00And I think that was very intentional.
- 40:02Hmm, absolutely. So I got to ask you what?
- 40:06I'll throw this to you. First kidding.
- 40:10Oh you found the name? Well, you found the name first
- 40:13but far enough in Paradigm a VM found the name first.
- 40:17But uh, also have found it now. It's far enough.
- 40:20Oh yes. Thank you and for him.
- 40:22Yes, yes. So the question I've got to ask
- 40:25you. Right is of course, Is there
- 40:27enough flies off to decode it? Do we think that we're going to
- 40:33eventually have the others? Find out about the deals that
- 40:38were made while they were under stasis?
- 40:41Do we think that they're already aware of it and said, screw it.
- 40:45Like, it needed to be done because there's a number of
- 40:47things. Like yes, these three were in
- 40:50stasis and so two of them were definitely in stasis in the main
- 40:54Vault but it was Revealed through a book that you can find
- 41:00in the vault that razza Gareth was aware.
- 41:04The entire 10,000 years that she was locked away.
- 41:09She was conscious for it, she could feel the the death of
- 41:14mouth area nor Deathwing. She was aware of events Loosely
- 41:19where where of events that were happening during her time.
- 41:22So was she aware of what was going on and are these other two
- 41:26aware? We're of what went on after
- 41:28their capture or is this going to be a complete surprise?
- 41:30Well, I think there's potential for fairness to.
- 41:38I think she comes across as very sincere.
- 41:42Genuinely has real concerns that are fair like everything she
- 41:48says, throughout the Cinematic is so she always focuses on like
- 41:54the the she focuses on the death of her sister.
- 41:57She focuses on how these aspects kept secrets from each other,
- 42:01you know. She's very sincere.
- 42:03She's very good Friar. Work is more just angry and you
- 42:08know, fire and hot-headed. I honestly think he's a bit of a
- 42:12I think it really Kronos this. I think he's just a weapon that
- 42:14you can just aim at anything. He's angry and he'll attack.
- 42:18Whatever you point him at, but I think we do have a potential.
- 42:25Like, I can't see us leaving this expansion and not at least
- 42:31coming to some sort of understanding With frana.
- 42:37God all these names. Sorry, it's okay with fry racket
- 42:42or with a radical know with the frost Queen who very nice.
- 42:47Yes. I can't I can't see us killing
- 42:51her or just like her just being the end.
- 42:56Maybe. I mean it does happen but she
- 43:00seems like the most reasonable. I do feel like it ready.
- 43:04Cron is. I don't know.
- 43:08I get the impression that he and for a car lot more closely
- 43:12aligned Maybe it's just because they're both very angry.
- 43:16Like, it really KRON doesn't show his anger, very obviously,
- 43:20but he is clearly very, very angry razza.
- 43:25Guess you can understand why she was angry as well.
- 43:28It actually makes for a North incredibly like how if she was
- 43:33aware for all that time? How is she?
- 43:35Not? So angry.
- 43:36But like the questions that she has about the aspects.
- 43:40We are also seeing are like legitimate questions.
- 43:44It's not just the case of I'm not there and Kathy secrets from
- 43:48the rest of them. Because she says that she got.
- 43:50She doesn't say he kept these secrets from them.
- 43:53She says they kept secrets from each other which they do to this
- 43:57day. As we know in the dragonfly
- 44:01questlines. Most people in Azeroth actually
- 44:05don't know, the history of galakrond.
- 44:08They don't know the history of the aspects.
- 44:11They have no idea about any of it like the The dragon scale
- 44:15Expedition is discovering this. This is amazing to them, but the
- 44:19dragon aspects are traditionally very tight-lipped and they keep
- 44:24their secrets, they keep their secrets very close and we have
- 44:28found out that malygos had knowledge of the Evoque has, and
- 44:33he helped now Therian, like keep the Avoca suppressed and he
- 44:38never told the other aspects and Mike, yes, Madagascar became a
- 44:42bad guy later on but he He was their friend and Ally and he saw
- 44:46the full of Deathwing and he still didn't tell them about the
- 44:50secrets he had with no Therrien. I mean, the aspects generally
- 44:55seem to have certain issues when it comes to being open with each
- 44:59other and how trustworthy they actually are even for Dragons.
- 45:06Because you can't believe what they're saying because they
- 45:08don't tell dragons the history of dragon kind, because they
- 45:13don't think dragons can handle that information.
- 45:17So, it does feel like they need someone to come and like blow
- 45:21that up, which is why Factor as a gift because she was just
- 45:27like, straight on. She came, and she was so
- 45:30confrontational. I would love to see more of
- 45:34that. She was the hurricane.
- 45:36She was the wrecking ball. She was very much, like I am
- 45:39going to tell you the truth. And for those who haven't heard
- 45:44her voice lines in the raid, she is 100% saying like no no what
- 45:49you think is the truth is not you think that they came in
- 45:53Ordered this world. No, no, no.
- 45:55They just took over and anything that they couldn't control.
- 45:59They imprisoned, just like the aspects did to us.
- 46:03And there is so much that is said about how the ordering of
- 46:09Azeroth did not go down as it has been written out to us.
- 46:14Yeah, I 100% get that before we move on impervium.
- 46:20Did you take anything away from the Cinematic that We haven't
- 46:24discussed yet, talking about the secrets where, you know, the
- 46:29aspects were very tight-lipped. And I know it was, it was a
- 46:33point of story, story story telling with, you know, us as
- 46:38the, as the players in the characters, learning this stuff.
- 46:41But like, alexstrasza nozdormu knew about the Primal and
- 46:45carnets the new about all of them, but they, but Khalid
- 46:48ghosts in rathian didn't know about them.
- 46:50They didn't, they don't know who they are.
- 46:51So, You know, it's kind of like you just had to kind of be there
- 46:55kind of situation for the aspects and even when like they
- 47:02were talking about it in val drakon talking about, you know
- 47:06it, right. Ekron and then all them and Cal
- 47:09goes like why are you so afraid of a Riddick Ron in nice warm
- 47:13was like he's just a bad dude, right?
- 47:16They don't discuss it right. Obviously again it's for
- 47:20storytelling with with us, as The people playing it, it's to
- 47:25build the suspense and everything, but it just plays on
- 47:28the point that that they don't want to share this knowledge
- 47:31because one it's it goes along the lines of, you know, they
- 47:35don't really want to share devolve a bunch of things into
- 47:39is a point of Shame, especially for alexstrasza, you know, she's
- 47:44talking about it and she's like it, it's, you know, everything
- 47:47that we did. You know, I'm really sorry with
- 47:50with her and Razzle, gasps and little cinematic.
- 47:52Where they fight each other. You know she's like I did a lot
- 47:55of things wrong and I'm sorry. You know should have handled it
- 47:58differently or as get this like, you know Screw you, you know,
- 48:02you did all this for the abla. So it definitely plays along
- 48:06that lines where like new aspects.
- 48:10Still don't have that privilege as the old ones do and they
- 48:13don't get to learn the secrets it.
- 48:14But now they have to learn the secrets if not from them than
- 48:18from like you said the dragon scale Expedition is going on and
- 48:20cover everything and share it with people, right?
- 48:22Right, word of mouth will get around.
- 48:25Um, With the deal. I don't know, too much about the
- 48:30dealings. I'm gonna be honest, best stuff.
- 48:32I haven't dug too deep into, but I feel like the layout of the
- 48:38group right now, is it Riddick? Ron is The Mastermind.
- 48:41He knows, we're now tharyan stuff.
- 48:44Is he knows exactly where to go probably from the dealings with,
- 48:49no, Thorin himself way back in the day, if that happens, you
- 48:52know. And then farokh is just The
- 48:56brawn, he's the the dude is going to go and get the bust the
- 49:01door down for the group kind of thing, and then Varanasi is just
- 49:04the brains. She's the one who has all the
- 49:07Intel. She can just decode the cipher,
- 49:11whatever. I don't know, what it's like,
- 49:12everyone's called, but she could decode that thing for him and
- 49:15then get them where they need to go.
- 49:17Is it almost feels like, you know, a criminal organization.
- 49:21You know kind of like we talked about earlier and makes you
- 49:25think what was Razzie? Guess what would frazzled guests
- 49:27thing? Would have been if she would
- 49:28have, not been so blind on Vengeance and I think she would.
- 49:35I want to see your visitor form. I want to see that business for
- 49:37obstinate. I have a theory about her
- 49:39visited form. I am convinced even though it
- 49:42makes no sense that it would at least be small like my Vision is
- 49:47a goblin but like the size of the problem with, like wild
- 49:52parrot, be there with her explosive.
- 49:55She's just she wouldn't be old as cold as for all the title
- 50:06card image. It's just going to be a troll
- 50:09doll. It just like I have lightning
- 50:10coming out of the hair and everything, that'd be so cool.
- 50:13I don't have that skill with Yeah, put like a JPEG over this
- 50:21lightning jpeg over the hair. Um, then a ridic Ron's coldness
- 50:25towards razza guess where he was basically like, you know, Brad's
- 50:29again asked acted very, very hastily it very Brash.
- 50:35She did this to herself. So that's why I felt like he
- 50:38wasn't as, like, emotional about her passing because it's like
- 50:46Sure their kin but at the same time whereas you get did it to
- 50:50herself if she had just been smarter and waited or did things
- 50:56differently, she could be alive and she could be here but she's
- 51:00not. We got to keep.
- 51:01We gotta keep rolling. I feel like that's what Riddick
- 51:03Ron is the end of the day. He's just a dude.
- 51:05He's going to get the job done. And the others are just kind of
- 51:09ponds in the in the scheme at this point.
- 51:12I think it really fits into again that like Off what they
- 51:17look like where he's not moved by the passing.
- 51:20And but he is also set in his ways like this is the path he's
- 51:24going down, so he he is like committed to that even though he
- 51:29should be more flexible. I really want to know and I know
- 51:35this will come out later. Probably not even in 10.1, but
- 51:39maybe in 10.2, what alliances he made.
- 51:43Because if you think That it's void.
- 51:47There's a lot of things that say it's not void, if he had access
- 51:51to avoid, and that's connected to what mouth area and used,
- 51:56then he wouldn't need now third, he could go directly to the
- 51:59source. So I don't think it's void.
- 52:02I don't think it is the fell right?
- 52:06Which leads it to be another Power I and I don't think we're
- 52:12going back to death anytime soon.
- 52:13I feel like shadowlands we're going to stay That.
- 52:16And that excites me. Because what if he's pulling
- 52:21from the forces of life? And now we're going to deal with
- 52:24like life, finally, coming to play on a galactic state or
- 52:28Cosmic scale. What if he's pulling from like
- 52:31the light? And now we're going to see, like
- 52:33the light being used against order because you never see
- 52:37light in order against each other.
- 52:39Like, there's, if if he's pulling in those forces and it's
- 52:45like, Klee to set up wherever we head next, right?
- 52:49The fact that it is unlikely to be one of our usual suspects,
- 52:54excites me a lot. What do you mean that he would
- 52:58just be pulling from North Area and if it was the void, Know if
- 53:03he, if he had made a bargain with the void in order to
- 53:07continue his war, after the others had been captured right
- 53:10then, he wouldn't need to study mouth Aryans instruments because
- 53:15he knows that oh yeah. Now faryon was making a
- 53:17partnership with the void. That's fine.
- 53:19I already got a got a deal with them.
- 53:20I'll get my power directly from the source is what I see.
- 53:24Yeah, he considered that. Because he's like it's not what
- 53:28now Theory and stuff. Did who cares about the future
- 53:30and stuff? It's what powered them.
- 53:32Yeah, is what he's after that power source behind it.
- 53:35I like a love that. I love that line from him.
- 53:37He's like now this live Archie's.
- 53:40Nothing. I've no, I don't want anything
- 53:44there. I just wanted.
- 53:44What is your I still? I'm still gonna go.
- 53:48I still can't help but gold. God, I can't, I mean, I can't do
- 53:51it. Like, I'm I just see old God's
- 53:55everywhere. This is what the Lord has done
- 53:57to me, if it makes you feel better.
- 54:00We have the, we have the developers on record saying that
- 54:04there are no direct old gods and 10.1.
- 54:08There's a lot of course. Story as well.
- 54:28Like old gods are not the pantheon of the Void old gods of
- 54:31the Servants of the Void. I'm think it's kind of like
- 54:35keepers from what I can tell but it's very difficult because the
- 54:39void works very differently and we don't know much about it and
- 54:43obviously, as a pure kit, like it's going to be different.
- 54:49It's like the burning Legion with everything being chaotic.
- 54:51It doesn't always work the way that you're expecting but like
- 54:56Like I like old gods. It's not the void that I like.
- 55:00It's old gods. I like old gods.
- 55:03So yeah, I like old gods. I like that.
- 55:10We still have that attached out there and I'm waiting for that
- 55:15return. I think that's going to be great
- 55:17and as us and knows off his track is not kill.
- 55:21Not imposture, nezhat that got blasted into Oblivion, you know,
- 55:25he didn't get We have blasted. Have you got trapped within the
- 55:28sort? We have been told, I have been
- 55:30told that Nazareth his sword as far as I'm concerned as soft as
- 55:34fine. They're all defeated, meaning
- 55:37they're not actually dead dead. Yes, they're just defeated
- 55:41defeated. It's an important distinction.
- 55:46I think that the power source, I'll you say the power source is
- 55:50the heart of galakrond and we're basically getting it Siege of
- 55:53Orgrimmar part 2 Electric Boogaloo.
- 55:56Where the heart is, what's powering the laboratory and then
- 55:59they steal the heart and then get rid of current eats the
- 56:02heart or whatever Garrosh does and becomes lace.
- 56:07Oh, it's latian. Oh, we figured it out.
- 56:09It's like he's the heart of rotten and then Garrosh eats the
- 56:14heart of, well, the alien eat the hard but you know,
- 56:18Thematically eats the heart of Yash Raj and now we're going to
- 56:21eat the heart of galakrond figured out God.
- 56:24I mean if it does work because alexstrasza specifically says,
- 56:31and if it Riddick runs hunger is Unleashed.
- 56:35What is the last time that a dragon's Hunter hunger was a
- 56:39problem? And we know that galakrond is
- 56:42going to be a big, like it was the first thing they dealt with
- 56:46us aspects. You can't do.
- 56:48The big aspects expansion and not men like not have galakrond,
- 56:53be an important part of that expansion.
- 56:56We know that they've been talking about, infused Waters
- 56:59and stuff, making galakrond, and everything I am absolutely
- 57:03convinced. I don't think we're going to see
- 57:05galakrond. I think we're going to see,
- 57:06erratic run, be a galakrond, he's going to grow because like
- 57:10the whole reason for aspect, secrecy, according to dawn, of
- 57:14the Ancients is to prevent people from well, Prevent
- 57:18dragons from turning into galakrond by trying to pick up
- 57:21his methods. This is their big fear, that
- 57:24galakrond will return and that's what I feel like it really Crown
- 57:30has to do that. He has to become a galakrond, he
- 57:32has to be this giant dragon beyond all comprehension.
- 57:37I hope he doesn't become a giant dragon beyond all comprehension
- 57:41because I don't want another spine of.
- 57:44We don't need a spy another attack on, find it.
- 57:47Baffling go, please. Oh my God.
- 57:53But yes, I think that him gaining that level of power
- 57:57becoming that level of threat is where I see him going.
- 58:01Eventually he gets powers that both Veron off and fire a car.
- 58:06Just like whoa, wait that that isn't right.
- 58:08And going back to what you guys said about if Iraq being kind of
- 58:12this sort of Cannon. I think like till to give him a
- 58:19more positive vibe on that, he's just a very genuine.
- 58:22An emotional person. So his sister gets cut down and
- 58:28he wants to strike back because it's his family.
- 58:32He cares about her. Like, nobody should be a be hurt
- 58:36his family and he wanted freedom, but the aspects were
- 58:42working for the this entire order.
- 58:45That was going to contain, oh, freedom.
- 58:46And that wasn't right for dragging kind.
- 58:48So he became an incarnate. That's the sort of story that I
- 58:51put behind fire a Like good guy fire at, he just doesn't want to
- 58:55live firey firey firey, but but along with that cinematic and
- 59:04everything that we were able to glean and sort of like project
- 59:07from there. We also got a ton of little
- 59:11Easter eggs in the form of these little books that we've been
- 59:14finding all around the didn't reach and I know we've been
- 59:18going for a while, so I really just want to focus on like 15.
- 59:22From each of you. So if you had one book that
- 59:25you're saying like this is what I want to bring to you to the
- 59:28audience attention, which book would that be?
- 59:31And rather than like put either one of you on the spot because I
- 59:36just put that question to you, I'm going to put forward one,
- 59:39that was spoken about at the beginning before we started
- 59:43recording and that is Return of the night.
- 59:46Squall, that kitty, you were putting out to us.
- 59:50So I don't want to say, Foil hat because this is actual evidence
- 59:55that you pointed out to us, but the world map has changed the
- 59:59entire world of Azeroth. As we know it has shifted a
- 1:00:02little bit to the right and again this is full credit to
- 1:00:05you. So I'm going to let you take it
- 1:00:07from here. This is something that you were
- 1:00:08telling us about. Okay?
- 1:00:10So Return of the not school is a book about a pirate.
- 1:00:16It actually explains why the Pirates are in patch 10.0 .7.
- 1:00:21Because the Night. Squirrel is a famous part
- 1:00:25Infamous apparently, who has called on all the part of
- 1:00:28Azeroth. Literally, every single faction
- 1:00:32of Azeroth pirate to unite together, because he has sailed
- 1:00:36West, which is supposed to be impossible.
- 1:00:39No one has ever sailed West and never returned west of kalimdor
- 1:00:43specifically and has ever returned to life.
- 1:00:46He sailed West and he's come back and he has this incredible.
- 1:00:52Thing to share. He's got this amazing booty,
- 1:00:55this amazing treasure, and he wants all the parts, they're
- 1:00:58going to hit the dragon Isles. First, get their treasure and
- 1:01:01then they're going west. And it's just like, there's been
- 1:01:06a lot of discussion about going like, well, there's been a lot
- 1:01:11of discussion about the map of Azeroth, and should they be more
- 1:01:14to it? There was early discussion about
- 1:01:19the could maybe be a southern hemisphere to Azeroth and then
- 1:01:23more recently. There's been a lot of talk about
- 1:01:25a western hemisphere because like, there's little hints here
- 1:01:29and there, some of them are not canon.
- 1:01:32So, for example, the wall Craft the role-playing game talks
- 1:01:35about how there is land to the west of kalimdor, but no one has
- 1:01:40ever been able to return because of the storms.
- 1:01:43And while the role-playing game is not canon, they pull stuff
- 1:01:46from the role-playing game, all the time, they make a kampmann
- 1:01:49cannon. And as you mentioned one thing,
- 1:01:54they've done in dragonflight, is they've moved the map very
- 1:01:58slightly to the right. If you look at the two maps, you
- 1:02:01can compare them. It's not enough to fit a
- 1:02:05consonant, it's enough to fit a button.
- 1:02:09A button that says, you know, see the other side of the map.
- 1:02:14And there's another law book. Actually from Alderman back from
- 1:02:17the pre patch, that talks about a place called Ava Lauren. which
- 1:02:26in that bookkeeper, Odin has been sending people off to try
- 1:02:32get to have Lauren because of Heretics Heretics have set up an
- 1:02:36ad valorem and every Expedition he sends their gets completely
- 1:02:40destroyed and the book is someone doing a report about
- 1:02:44this and saying, please can we stop sending our people there
- 1:02:46because they just die the defense's from out of the Lauren
- 1:02:50or two great with Ty, which ties in exactly with the fact that
- 1:02:54you Cannot sell west of kalimdor because if you do you dye your
- 1:02:58ships, get rekt, you know. So according to return of the
- 1:03:03night school the not school has sailed West now.
- 1:03:06Did he find a way around defenses, are the defenses down
- 1:03:11for some reason, none of this is stuff.
- 1:03:14We know. Right now what we do know is
- 1:03:16they're supposedly land west of kalimdor and there's a strong
- 1:03:22suggestion, its name is a velour and On.
- 1:03:25And that Odin in particular wants to go there and kill
- 1:03:31someone because there are heretic.
- 1:03:35But also Odin's are bad guys. So who pretends to be a good
- 1:03:39guy? So there's so much potential
- 1:03:42there. That's a whole expect.
- 1:03:43That's not even a patch. That's an expansion right there
- 1:03:47in this one little book that's just sitting here in the pulpit
- 1:03:50in range. I could just imagine Legend as
- 1:03:55like the final patch before an expansion in order to fight
- 1:04:02against the big bad. Let's say a Riddick Ron has now
- 1:04:05like devoured, the unfiltered Waters, and has become like the
- 1:04:10next galakrond. And what what can we do to stop
- 1:04:14him? And so there were born keeper
- 1:04:16tear because that's the storyline that's got to be
- 1:04:19continuing the reborn keeper tear sends us into this instance
- 1:04:24place. And it's Where is this is beyond
- 1:04:27kalimdor. This is into the west and so
- 1:04:29it's just a sneak peek at what they're working on.
- 1:04:32Right. The small little facility is
- 1:04:33small little scenario. We don't get to go too far, but
- 1:04:35you get to look out the window and be like, oh my word, we're
- 1:04:38not in kalimdor anymore. Oh, there's so much that can be
- 1:04:42done and like, yes, you are. Right?
- 1:04:44There's also the fact that when we went to Pandaria and paper
- 1:04:49and it's like, oh, so this is Sal friend and it's like, you
- 1:04:52know, this is not South Korean, don't call it South and And you
- 1:04:55look at the way that the map is and like yes in the tallest
- 1:05:01peaks of the come I Mountain. There's no.
- 1:05:03But that's a very, very moderate temperature.
- 1:05:06And when you're looking at the southern parts, of both the
- 1:05:10eastern kingdoms and kalimdor, those are very tropical, maybe
- 1:05:16maybe like center of the world sort of climates and so like
- 1:05:22yeah there's so much that can be Greater than the world that we
- 1:05:26know we could just be in maybe a quarter of the world.
- 1:05:29Again, you look outside like think about Legion when we were
- 1:05:33on spaceships, in space, we were right.
- 1:05:36And we look back at the planet, especially when when it was
- 1:05:40being surrounded by clouds but you could still see all of the
- 1:05:43continents that we knew and yet, you were not looking at the
- 1:05:47entire circumference on the world, as as someone who
- 1:05:51originally comes from South Africa, I know very well.
- 1:05:54That just because you're looking at a globe, doesn't mean you're
- 1:05:56seeing the planet, because usually Globe.
- 1:05:58So just the northern and southern United States.
- 1:06:02So, yes. Yes.
- 1:06:04I the entire thing about like how they much they warp the
- 1:06:08longitudes and latitudes to make certain countries and certain
- 1:06:12certain continents. Look, bigger is is definitely a
- 1:06:16thing and it's just it is going to be so amazing when we get to
- 1:06:22see some of that. And Fact that they're teasing
- 1:06:25that Now intent 0.7 and a lot of people are going to miss it.
- 1:06:30But the world is much bigger than we know and we even dream
- 1:06:35about Verve IAM. Do you have one of these that
- 1:06:39you want to put forward? So as somebody who's not been
- 1:06:43reading the book so much as just trying to loot Goblin himself
- 1:06:47through a lot of the, a lot of the Vault stuff, reading some of
- 1:06:53the books, the annotated Old God and the ordering of Azeroth.
- 1:06:58That was pretty interesting to read where it's just like from
- 1:07:01the it reminded me of the Star Wars book from a certain point
- 1:07:07of view. We're just like it.
- 1:07:10He's taking he's literally taking a book that's been in.
- 1:07:13Wow, since vanilla and I think it's I think it's not the Aryan
- 1:07:19who did it is basically his copy of the book and he's he's
- 1:07:22written his own little notes on certain point parts.
- 1:07:26Some of them are interesting. The, the fifth old God, really
- 1:07:31got me because I was like, I don't think it could be good
- 1:07:34Hoon because Cahoon was was made by the Titans.
- 1:07:38He was a research project in high school that went very right
- 1:07:42basically the volcano that they put way too much baking soda in
- 1:07:47it with boom all over the place that's basically what that is.
- 1:07:50So I'm sitting there and I'm like a fifth old God that's
- 1:07:53that's kind of scary. That could be on Avila Lauren
- 1:07:58somewhere underneath. And maybe it's maybe tear is
- 1:08:03like, hey, I went to a velour and against Odin's will to to
- 1:08:08take on this old God or something.
- 1:08:10I don't know. That's another theory.
- 1:08:12You can throw out there if you want to, um, the part that that
- 1:08:17interest me there was 10 when he was talking about the in the
- 1:08:22book is talking about how the Titans created the lake.
- 1:08:26You know, as you know, intentionally created the lake
- 1:08:30right, The Well of Eternity and they annotation they were like
- 1:08:35no they did intentionally do it. They did it because they ripped
- 1:08:38an old got out of the world and it created a wound in the world
- 1:08:43and it goes on the it goes on the whole thing of you know from
- 1:08:48a certain point of view, it can be misconstrued to be on one
- 1:08:54side. But in reality it's this This
- 1:08:56right? He's talked about like look at
- 1:08:58like what is this book? Is this Titan propaganda or
- 1:09:01something like that? Like it's basically what it was.
- 1:09:03I mean if you if you read the old book it definitely has
- 1:09:07changed. How you perceive the Titans from
- 1:09:112004? All the way to you know, 2023 a
- 1:09:15lot has changed. A lot, has been revealed in
- 1:09:19terms of intention in terms of actuality and causation.
- 1:09:24It's like it's night and day. It is really cool that like no
- 1:09:27thorian and I we don't know who it is unknown out there, but I
- 1:09:33think it's not already because he's the one who would have seen
- 1:09:35the Insight of the old gods being corrupted.
- 1:09:38And he would have been reading the, he would have seen the book
- 1:09:40because he was in lordran. He was a noble.
- 1:09:42So he would have seen the book and he could have written it
- 1:09:44down and put it in his in his collection somewhere where you
- 1:09:47find it and he would have the Insight, he would know from the
- 1:09:53old God's point of view, exactly how it went.
- 1:09:56It down. Well, this to that Prana past to
- 1:09:59predate, Lord are on. Because remember, the dragon
- 1:10:01Isles themselves were sealed off for for the entirety of the
- 1:10:04existence of the human Nations up until now, so these notations
- 1:10:09would have been before the creation of the human the human
- 1:10:12Nations, right? But I'm saying that the book
- 1:10:15because the book was written from basically from a human
- 1:10:18point of view and he got the book and then he starts Anna
- 1:10:21Toady annotating it and it could have been brought over Somebody
- 1:10:27it could have like, maybe death, may be no tharyan had a way to
- 1:10:31get to his lab or because his laboratory is there, right?
- 1:10:35Is Laboratories in the dragon Isles.
- 1:10:37Maybe he had a way to get to it. Yeah.
- 1:10:39Actually, without the tide magic, that is something I had
- 1:10:43even considered. Because as you're going through
- 1:10:45the vaults, there's mogu statues, there's all of that
- 1:10:49stuff. There's from all over, but these
- 1:10:51teleporters, you can you can find a another Aryan teller,
- 1:10:56like a repair kit that you can use to fix our teleporter.
- 1:11:01And it's that broken teleporter. That's in the waking.
- 1:11:03Sure. And if you go and you use the
- 1:11:05repair kits on the teleporter, the teleporter takes you to the
- 1:11:08Vault. So this stuff is being collected
- 1:11:13and stored on the dragon Isles throughout history even though
- 1:11:18the Dragon House were locked off to everybody else.
- 1:11:22Oh man. So he maybe had access he
- 1:11:26probably had access. He probably had a the Dragon
- 1:11:28House which is another Spirit word, another secret which which
- 1:11:32makes sense. Because if razza got was able to
- 1:11:35hear about everything while she was in prison who she hear from
- 1:11:38right, do you think you just sort of walked around talking to
- 1:11:42himself? Would you like a dragon to hers?
- 1:11:45Like put hey, how's it going in there, goldfish?
- 1:11:48I scoot over a dozen friends avoid fish?
- 1:11:52No, no, it can happen because because, oh yeah, you could talk
- 1:11:56to themselves that they have things in their head.
- 1:11:59He easily could have been talking to has not the entire
- 1:12:02things. Like someone who does
- 1:12:03soliloquies all the time. I mean, like even even when you
- 1:12:07go into the upper room and you see like the play where he's
- 1:12:10just rushed to the end of everybody's like, oh, we love Of
- 1:12:13the another and you're great at all of that.
- 1:12:14Like it, of course, he talked himself, he's got that eagerly.
- 1:12:19Absolutely. So, so there's another, there's
- 1:12:22another theory, I'll throw out now, tharyan had access to the
- 1:12:25dragon house the entire time didn't tell anybody about it,
- 1:12:29nobody knew about it, that's the ordinary.
- 1:12:33There's like proof to back that up there, supporting evidence,
- 1:12:38but it's not good. I would love her to be
- 1:12:40confirmed. I feel like a bird.
- 1:12:43This would absolutely be the time to confirm that the entire
- 1:12:4810,000 years that has been shut off.
- 1:12:51Now, thyroid had it. Now, the Deathwing had access to
- 1:12:54that laboratory the entire time. What if the ferry and had access
- 1:12:59to it? Like what, if what if he got
- 1:13:02designs for for the Blackwing Lair from his dad, From like
- 1:13:08inspired from a Burris. It's far stretch as
- 1:13:12far-reaching. It is.
- 1:13:15But wow. Like that one, clearly some axis
- 1:13:22was there, there is proof that like things from like throughout
- 1:13:26history were being stored on in the Forbidden reach that like
- 1:13:32somebody at least at least Deathwing himself.
- 1:13:36If not people close to death Wing had access to store.
- 1:13:38That stuff away. That is insane.
- 1:13:42I mean some would argue that it's the mogu were there since
- 1:13:45primordial Azeroth is like oh they were gathered and put on
- 1:13:48there before. Dragon, I'll win a closing.
- 1:13:50You could say that, but there's depends on there's other statues
- 1:13:53that are like from later civilizations.
- 1:13:56I haven't like exactly the vaults are so like that.
- 1:14:02They like here's the V and no, this isn't a Burris.
- 1:14:06These are just the. It's almost like these are the
- 1:14:08tears play play V, you know. Yeah I've only looked around
- 1:14:14them. And like this as a right in
- 1:14:17there, there's like, there's little vessels that look like
- 1:14:23they have embryos. There's so much weird stuff
- 1:14:26happening in these vaults, but it's also kind of hard to pin
- 1:14:29down because of the nature of the votes, they different for
- 1:14:32different. Like, you'll see this in this
- 1:14:35room and you'll think that's linked, and then you'll see it
- 1:14:38in another room. And it's actually not linked at
- 1:14:40all. I do think they just kind of
- 1:14:44like going. Ha.
- 1:14:46Ha have fun. Yeah, basically, yes, yeah.
- 1:14:54But if you have but like those sort of like because they're
- 1:14:56procedurally-generated, you're right there are procedurally
- 1:14:58generated. So what shows up one week or
- 1:15:00between one player to the next or between like even my ALT
- 1:15:04changes, right? But like they still chose to put
- 1:15:08those items in there. They still chose to put those
- 1:15:12like Choose from previous civilizations, they still chosen
- 1:15:15to put in the Azurite in the various ores that were in there.
- 1:15:19They still chosen to put, like a Ballista and gnomish technology
- 1:15:24in there, right? Those are, those were purposely
- 1:15:27put in links on Prototype, blingtron, exactly.
- 1:15:33I mean, there were literally there, six different themes to
- 1:15:36the vaults. Each of them are going to change
- 1:15:38each week, and it makes you wonder what All we're going to
- 1:15:43see throughout the throughout the vaults, which team is going
- 1:15:47to release. What item.
- 1:15:50I am looking forward to going through these in a couple of
- 1:15:54weeks. One thing is, I've now, of
- 1:15:56course, run through as much of the story as I could in ten
- 1:15:59point 0.7 in this first week, do you think there's more stuff
- 1:16:03that's time? Gated or do you believe we've
- 1:16:05seen everything that's leading into the next in the next patch?
- 1:16:12I can see time gated because we have if you look at the PTR and
- 1:16:15the raid list we have we have certain people from the story
- 1:16:21that we have now who are in that raid list as a boss.
- 1:16:25So I feel like there's going to be either weekly release on
- 1:16:32story or, you know, it may be a forbidden reach kind of Exiles.
- 1:16:39Reach are not forbidden, reach timegate, kind of thing.
- 1:16:44I think there's gonna be time, gate.
- 1:16:45There has to be. I mean, like, when I think about
- 1:16:49it like you're, it could be that there's stuff further into this
- 1:16:53patch or it could be that the, the additional leg towards the
- 1:16:58raid is Quickly just in the campaign of 10.1, it's I think
- 1:17:04they've done enough that it could be either or even split.
- 1:17:07Obviously split between them in some way.
- 1:17:10I feel like if there was going to be extended quests, that they
- 1:17:15would have mentioned that, they've been upfront about time
- 1:17:19gazing and like when they're bringing that in and was, you
- 1:17:23know, like when that's going to happen and they haven't said
- 1:17:26that they're going to do time gating on Quests for this.
- 1:17:30I think this particular patch is genuinely meant to be a you can
- 1:17:35do it if you want to and it's fun and it's a great way to gear
- 1:17:38up all saw it. Any of that kind of thing or
- 1:17:41like if you're a collector, it's a great way to the collectors
- 1:17:44that kind of thing, but you are in no way expected to do this
- 1:17:48patch, there is, I think you would be insane not to if you
- 1:17:53care about law because there's some incredible loss stuff in
- 1:17:56this patch. But again, the law stuff in this
- 1:17:58patch barring The Forbidden, reach storyline.
- 1:18:02A lot of it, you could do any time the Bane quest line.
- 1:18:06You don't need to do it right now, you could do it anytime
- 1:18:08during dragonfly. Could do it anytime its own
- 1:18:11self-contained story. That's just beautiful.
- 1:18:14The or carrot, i'j questlines, obviously, and human Heritage.
- 1:18:19Again, you, those are not dragonflight specific stories at
- 1:18:24all, so I would be surprised if they had time gating for quests
- 1:18:29in this particular patch. But I would also be surprised if
- 1:18:33they didn't have time gating in patch 10.1, I think they
- 1:18:36probably will stagger the quests that come out then.
- 1:18:40Yeah, there has to be some lead up to, to the raid because of
- 1:18:45certain characters within it and the ending of The Forbidden,
- 1:18:52reach storyline that we have, it's more like a what happened
- 1:18:56in between and 10.1 could be the time to tell, hey, what's
- 1:19:00happening in between leading. I've seen 10-point 0.7 as been
- 1:19:04described as the first prologue to a major patch which I think
- 1:19:08is such a great And I have to keep doing that.
- 1:19:11They said that they will do it soon as ten point one point
- 1:19:16seven. So yeah, that's, it's something
- 1:19:18that they definitely want to do and I'm really looking forward
- 1:19:20to it, but I think that's a really great place to end it
- 1:19:24here. Thank you so much guys for
- 1:19:27joining me on this. Where can people find more stuff
- 1:19:30from you? Let's start with you and
- 1:19:32perfume. You can find me at the bonus.
- 1:19:35Roll Discord, where I talk. They're on the way.
- 1:19:38Third floor podcasts. Section or really anywhere
- 1:19:42anywhere Law related, you'll find me.
- 1:19:44I like to stock. Sometimes be like, who's talking
- 1:19:46about lure, who's saying, all the Lord things because I like
- 1:19:50talking about the Lord's. Really fun.
- 1:19:53I'm on Twitch every every like Blue Moon, whenever I just
- 1:19:57decide, hey, I'm going to stream one day, twitch.tv slash
- 1:20:01impervium and I have its Twitter but I don't really use it for
- 1:20:06for this kind of stuff, but you might find me.
- 1:20:10Retweeting a bunch of other. Wow, people you'll find me
- 1:20:13somewhere. Just look out for me.
- 1:20:16Awesome. And it's gritty Kitty.
- 1:20:18Where can people find you? You can find me on Wowhead where
- 1:20:22I'm usually writing about the law.
- 1:20:25So any law article that has discordian Kitty at the top?
- 1:20:29That's me. I also read law guides on why
- 1:20:33head which are going through a bit of a transitional period.
- 1:20:36So if you go look at the law guides, And you have any
- 1:20:39feedback. I'm open to it because I am
- 1:20:43trying to make those better and one day you'll be able to find
- 1:20:48me on Twitch but not today. That is awesome.
- 1:20:53And of course if you're listening to this, you already
- 1:20:55know where to find me. But join in the Discord bit.ly
- 1:20:58slash fastest cord where we are always talking more about this
- 1:21:02game and we'll be back next week.
- 1:21:04Until next time, guys, may all your hits secrets.