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The Age of Performative Morality | Episode 9 · Sincerely American

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Listen to a podcast where your girls can go from slick backs to
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the Ukraine war. I know I I said to my husband,
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guys, this is actually really funny.
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I don't know if we'll include this or not.
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My propaganda that I wasn't falling for was Nancy Pelosi's
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phrase diversity is our strength.
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And Pat was like, you're going to go from talking about editing
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your face on face app to diversity is our strength
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talking about the Somali in Minnesota.
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Do that for your thing. I think that's actually great
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and I have a lot to say about that.
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Hello, Sincerely sisters, and welcome back to Sincerely
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American. We missed you guys so much.
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I'm so happy we're back. I know we got so many messages,
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like where are you guys? When are you releasing another
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episode? I promise we did not forget
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about you. We missed you just as much as
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you missed us, and we're so happy to see you.
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Something about Cameron and I is that we are like perfectionist.
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So we, we just didn't want to do the podcast remote.
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And like, there might be a point in the future, obviously, that
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we'll have to do like separated. As we know, Cameron lives in LA
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and I live in DC and we're both just big travellers going back
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and forth. And I'm sure you guys are like,
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what studio is this? Did you guys change it all up?
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We have our normal studio. I promise we'll be back in there
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soon. But for the month of December,
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we're going to be in this studio out in California.
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I came to visit Cameron in LA. Yes, it's been so fun.
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Jamie's been travelling, I've been travelling.
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And so yeah, we are reunited in LA.
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Honestly, I feel like this is becoming our stomping grounds
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too, though we both love LA. Like when Jamie comes here,
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we're always going to like, fun restaurants.
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We're outside. The weather's great because I
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know it's really cold in DC. You said Oh my.
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God, it's been freezing on the East Coast, like absolutely
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freezing. And today I get down to Socal
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and it's like 70° clear skies. And like, I forgot why I moved
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out of California sometimes. But it's nice to be back.
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And, you know, my family's up in Northern California, obviously.
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And so we'll just be doing the podcast out in California during
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the holiday season. It's a fun month.
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We're ending 2025 and it's just been an incredible year.
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And just so you guys are aware, next episode is going to be our
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Christmas special, and then we're going to do a New Year
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special right after that. So make sure you tune in the
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next two weeks while you're with your family and you're getting
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ready. Listen to us.
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OK. So why don't we get into like,
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what we've been up to a little bit, like give her recap.
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Cameron has been out in Aspen very jealous.
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Yes, that was so much fun, you guys.
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I went with my husband and another couple and another
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friend actually ended up meeting us there too.
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But I've always wanted to go to Aspen and I've never been just
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because I was living on the East Coast.
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So it was very easy to just go ski in like West Virginia or
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somewhere. But guys like it's the snow is
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so much different in Aspen than it is in West Virginia because
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it's snowshoe. It's a little bit icy, but it's
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very powdery over there. It was beautiful.
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Like I stayed right in that village to go shopping and I
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went to really cool restaurants and just enjoyed myself and got
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a minute to decompress because we've been traveling so much for
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work, so that was nice. I know and I always tell people
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like the mountains out West are different.
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Like when people talk about the mountains on the East Coast and
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like these are hills. I'm just being honest.
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Like as a W coaster, as a California girl and like the
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mountains out here are different.
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I love that you got to do a little bit of skiing and
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everything. I miss skiing living out East.
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I don't ever get to ski anymore. They have such cool stuff there,
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too. Like they have an Alpine
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coaster. Yeah, where you can.
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It's not like a real roller coaster, but you are sitting
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down and you control the speed. My husband was going like 40
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miles an hour. I was like, we're going to fall
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off these like, like the tracks. Yeah.
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Because it was like doing such sharp turns.
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That was a little nerve wracking.
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But we did that. We rode the gondola.
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I think the boys went, what did they do?
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Snowmobiling. So that's fun.
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You can do that too. They didn't have it for us this
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time, but they do the dog sledding, dog sledding.
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I did arrive. Yeah, so they do the dog
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sledding and then they also, I think when it's not winter, they
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do the horseback riding too. So they have such fun stuff to
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do there. If you don't ski, it's just such
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a good time to get away and it was a very easy flight for me
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so. Was it bumpy going it?
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So I flew out to Aspen for the Aspen Institute this summer and
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as you guys know, Cameron and I have the worst flight anxiety
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ever. And that was the worst flight of
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my entire life, landing in Aspen.
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It actually wasn't and we didn't get delayed.
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We actually had a friend who got delayed, but it was a direct
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flight to Aspen and it was like an hour and 20 minutes.
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Of course, like take off and touchdown.
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Of course, like when you're changing altitudes, it's always
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a little bumpy. But we were very lucky flying
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into there. Nothing was delayed.
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There really wasn't a ton of ton of turbulence.
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So I would say God was definitely looking out for me
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while I was going. Looking out for me when I flew
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in. I love you God.
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But she provided a little more comfort in that moment.
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When I was flying into Aspen this summer I heard summer
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though is way. Worse.
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Jamie was texting me on that trip, by the way.
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Like all caps. Turbulence, turbulence,
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turbulence. Oh, God, that was crazy.
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OK, so I was in Aspen. Jamie, you were in Europe.
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Let's talk about that. That's insane.
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So mine was a work trip, which was so cool.
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I had not. So for those you guys that don't
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know, I studied abroad in Paris. I think it was year 2019.
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Yeah, it was the year right before COVID 2019.
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So I had not been back to Europe in a little while.
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And it was a work trip. I went with the EU embassy and
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the Italian embassy to Brussels and Rome and it was just
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incredible. It was, it was a different type
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of Europe trip. It wasn't as much sightseeing.
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We got to do a little bit in Rome, but I was in back-to-back
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meetings. I was up every morning from 6:00
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AM to like midnight, just meetings, meetings, meetings.
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And just I was with such a great group of Americans that went on
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this trip. It was a bunch of like content
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creators that are kind of involved in the political world.
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And we were meeting with a ton of EU leaders over there
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discussing kind of 1, the foreign policy obviously angle
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in the diplomacy between like EU and US relations, especially the
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war in Ukraine, which was interesting because, you know,
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Cameron and I go on Fox and do a lot of commentary around that.
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So obviously, you know, getting a different perspective on
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Ukraine was interesting to hear. And, you know, I get it.
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It's a big threat for them, especially if you're in like the
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Baltic states, for example, like Lithuania and Estonia, like it's
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a huge threat because it's right on their border.
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And so they're very concerned about that.
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And then additionally, you know, we start talking a lot about the
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Digital Services Act. And for those of you guys that
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don't know that EU has kind of a different, I guess, agenda when
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it comes to social media. And there's been a lot of
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pushback in the United States with censorship.
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And, you know, I, I think I presented from my American point
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of view that I'm a free speech absolutist.
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I do not believe in any censorship online.
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And, you know, these are U.S. companies.
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And I don't believe that Europe has the right to come in and
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tell U.S. companies how to go about their businesses.
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But I will say this, I gave them huge congratulations.
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And we should play my clip from the Will Kane show because I
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actually talked about this. Let's roll the clip.
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I was excited to talk about this because I was actually in
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Brussels last week meeting with some EU policy makers and
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politicians over there about their Digital Service Act.
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And that aside, I'm an American, I'm a free speech absolutist, so
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I did have some issues with the DSA.
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But what I did say, I applauded them and I said it's amazing
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that they're doing this age verification just like Australia
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to protect the hearts and minds of our children.
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I don't think there's anything more important than that.
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And frankly, I think it's outrageous in the US, we haven't
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done more work on the national level to do that.
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And I don't think there's any positives that come with giving
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kids cell phones where they can go to the darkest corners of the
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Internet. We're seeing huge mental health
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issues with it. And in an era where things are
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so partisan and polarized, I really do feel like we can get
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everyone behind this. And I will say this as well, Ron
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DeSantis, the governor of Florida, instituted no tech in
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the classroom and test scores only went up.
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So I think this is overall a positive thing.
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So both of you would go the way of Australia, yes.
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But to your point, we don't want the government interfering with
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too much of our lives. But at this point, there are,
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you know, we're dealing with a generation that's in big trouble
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and has been for many years. And something has to be done.
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It's protecting kids. So yeah, you know, I think
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people are like, this is censorship and I don't believe
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so. We have laws and regulations in
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our country to protect minors. You're not allowed to buy
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alcohol till you're 21. You cannot be drafted till
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you're 18. You can't watch an R rated movie
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till you're 18, tattoos till you're 18.
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There's a lot of things that we do not, you know, allow children
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to do in our society. And in my opinion, I think
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there's nothing that's been more detrimental to kids mental
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health and the obscenities that have become available online
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with pornography. And so I am just a huge
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proponent of what they're doing and I want to do more of that in
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the US. And I agree to a certain extent
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with you, I do believe that it should be parental choice.
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So I've always thought that parents should have the choice
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to parent their kids the way that they want to.
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And if there's parameters that they deem that they can
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personally control within their own home, then I don't think
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that's up for the government to decide.
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But I do think we need to put pressure on these companies like
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Apple, like Snapchat, like TikTok, to put more boundaries
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in place. That way they're not feeding
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them these incorrect and evil algorithms that, you know,
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promote, you know, sexual content or things that are just
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inappropriate like dating apps. If somebody's signing up when
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they're really young. I do think that that's, you
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know, an important proponent of that, but I do think that
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parents should have the choice at the end of the day.
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Yeah, I guess so. But then it's like the same
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thing. Like there's like, it's like
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people use that argument, for example, like the genital
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mutilation surgeries with transgender that like, oh, it
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should be a parent's job to decide if like their kid can go
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through transgender surgeries. And I completely disagree with
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that. I think that they're, you know,
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if your kid is on social media and obviously consuming like
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horrible content, the fact is at the end of the day, on social
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media, you can access whatever. And so there's plenty of like
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obscenity out there that I just don't think should be available
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to kids. And so I think, you know, there
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are obviously I do believe in like parental choice when it
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comes to schools and everything, but I do think that there also
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needs to be some, in my opinion, like some regulations on that,
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that kids are not going. And the fact is like most
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parents can't control what goes on on these social media apps.
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It's really difficult. I think to I just don't see the
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plus side. Like I've gone through this and
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it's like in society, we make laws to make a better society.
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And I don't see any positives to allowing kids to be online
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before the age of 16. Like I just don't see anything
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that's like really that positive that outweighs the extreme
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negative consequences in my opinion.
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When I think the data backs you up there, I think we've seen
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like a rise in depression, anxiety, kids who have phones
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under the age of 16, they've seen higher suicide rates.
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So I do think the data is on your side.
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I come from a perspective, I don't have kids yet, so ask me
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this once I have kids, you guys. But I do have a younger sister
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and she's able to socialize with her friends on social media,
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participate in TikTok trends. And my mom and dad have put
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parameters around it where their social media is private, there's
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screen time. And I do think, like I said,
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these social media apps need to do a better job.
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We actually saw where Roblox just came out too.
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And they're putting, you know, AI encryption in there.
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So they have to show their face. And then it'll allow them to
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talk to other people their age, so they can't talk to people who
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are older. And that actually gets rid of
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all those sexual predators or those deviants who are getting
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on those apps for the wrong reasons.
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I do think we need to see more regulations and just more
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pushback in general to I guess, pressure these companies to make
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a change. But at the end of the day, I am
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on the side of parents, whatever they deem necessary.
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And I mean, to an extent, though, like I said, I agree
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with you. And I just think maybe ask me
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this once I have kids, you guys. So like, think about it this way
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too. I we're lucky that we kind of
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grew up before like the advent of a lot of social media, like
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when we were in middle school, for example.
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I feel like Instagram became a big when we were in high school.
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But I am so happy I had a childhood where I wasn't on
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screens and on social media. And like what you were saying,
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like, oh, but the kids can participate in TikTok friends.
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Wouldn't it be better if they were just hanging out in person
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all together and doing it like the old fashioned way?
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I feel like that's just so much more fulfilling.
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Sister does that though. My sister is like with her
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friends and like doing the dances and like, you know,
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talking to people. She'll have like, Snapchat and
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like show her on the golf cart and like going around the
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neighborhood. And I just think it's like a
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part of the culture now and the times have changed.
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I agree with that that the times.
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And, and it is unfortunate because.
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Like parents to allow their kids because it's like, I get that
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you don't want as a parent. This is why I like this law
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because then it's like, well, it's the law.
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You can't be on social media versus now I remember even with
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my brothers who are younger than me, my parents had to allow them
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to like get a phone and stuff because they were the only one
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out of their friends that didn't.
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So that's why like, you know, versus like if it is everyone
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just until you're 16, you just hang out in person.
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You do it the old fashioned way. You know what?
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I, I agree. I just think freedom is what
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makes this country great though. And I think that parents should
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just have the choice to, to decide how they want to parent
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their kids. And if they're going to put
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their trust in like the screen time regulations and, you know,
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other algorithms that they see are fit and not harmful or
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detrimental to their kids, then we should let them do that.
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I don't know if that should be up for the government to decide,
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but. I could get the OK.
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Another topic that kind of goes off of this that we discussed a
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lot is specifically when it comes because now you can access
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like pornography, right? Like Pornhub I think is the
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biggest pornography website. I could be wrong.
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So when you buy alcohol online, you have to put in your age and
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show like an ID for verification in order to get onto the alcohol
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website to order. If you're like going to order
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like a case of wine, for example.
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And in the EU they're trying to institute now and there's some
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states in the US that have done it.
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Like I know Virginia has done it.
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I think Utah has done it as well.
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There's a few others I can't remember off the top of my head,
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but where you have to put an ID in order to access these porn
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websites. And I am so in favor of that.
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And there was kind of a debate when I was over there about,
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well, you know, people want privacy when it comes to that
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stuff. And I'm like, OK, if you want
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privacy, then don't be watching porn.
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Then I feel like it's a good deterrent in general because I
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am so anti black. I would outlaw the whole.
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Why don't we just ban porn? That's exactly that.
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Born in the United States, that's going to be the downfall
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of it's been the downfall of society.
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And it used to be like when our parents were young, if you
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wanted to buy pornography, you had.
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To go get a Playboy magazine, you had to look the cash
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register person in the eye while you were paying.
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Your, and it was a deterrent, it was a social deterrent because a
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lot of people don't want to do that versus now it's like you
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can do like in the gross dark. And the pornography, from what I
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understand too, you know, I, I wasn't actually aware of this
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being a woman because I, I mean, I think there probably are some
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women out there that might engage with this, but a lot of
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young men have come out and it's just, it's like been a complete
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downfall of their lives in every single way.
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There's addictions with it. And I think that the pornography
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is way more intense than what used to be sold.
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And it's like this is getting like sex trafficking involved,
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like children involved and it is horrific.
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I agree with you. I would ban the entire, I think
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if we want to see improvement in the United States of America,
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you ban pornography. And I like at least in the EU
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that they're putting this age verification.
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And I will say for the states that have put age verification
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on Pornhub, for example, Pornhub has completely pulled out of the
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state, which goes to show you everything you need to know
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about. These about their industry, the
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industry. That if you try to limit
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children, they're like, never mind, we're just going to pull
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out completely. It's horrific.
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Changing gears entirely. OK, So this by the way, I love
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that we actually had like a little bit of a disagreement.
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I do. I think that's actually really
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interesting. So my head's like itching.
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My weave is falling out of my head.
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Sorry you guys. Also for the for all of our
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girlies out there Cam and I need our hair done so my a.
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Tip like fell out of my head and I was just dangling in my
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husband's face and I was like please help.
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Me, my hair, my eyebrows. Interview done.
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That's why I'm back in California partially seeing my
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family of course comes first, but I'm like also need to get
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this comes with. Upkeep ladies, you want to know
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like our secret? There's a lot of upkeep and
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maintaining to do. Around Fox too, they like tease
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your hair so much when you're gone on TV and it looks so good
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but it is very hard on your hair.
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The heat's hard on your hair. The make up like guys, we're
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going on fox together and we're going to have to take off our
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makeup, redo our makeup. Like our skin is horrible.
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Behind the scenes, I filmed the TikTok where I was like
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literally getting ready in a public bathroom in the and trap
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station in New York for the 50th time.
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Because you have like for those of you guys that don't know like
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you, I feel like all our girls actually would know this.
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You know, when you wear makeup for an extended period of time,
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it looks like crusty and gross. You want like fresh.
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Makeup. It settles into your lines and
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everything, and it creases. I know.
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So Cam and I, I have been like not I was telling Cam this on
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the way here. I'm like the travel has been
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crazy, but also the getting ready every day, the blow dry,
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the hair, the makeup. I love this life so much.
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But I'm like I feel like I do need a little like maybe 2 days
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or I'm just not wearing any makeup for a second.
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But I'm not used to doing these mics.
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I know these were our original mics.
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Do you remember that for Vanity Fair we had these mics?
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I know. And what's cool, you guys, the
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studio that we're at this surround sound, which is really
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cool. That's why you never see us with
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mics. It just picks up on stuff.
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But anyway, I do love this studio.
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The red is kind of a different vibe.
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It's like it's giving Joe Biden when he gave that speech.
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My gosh, it was. In Philadelphia where he was
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like where he's like, he's fascist and ran the red vibe.
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It was like such an evil vibe too.
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I was like, it's giving like a little bit of evil.
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Yeah. We're in our villain era.
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Yep. I know.
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And you're like your whole outfit's giving Wednesday Adams.
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I love it. Did we talk about that in the
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last episode? I.
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Remember I said I was into Wednesday Adam Corp?
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I also love how I was like, oh I don't know how much I have to
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say about your for groups. To go Oh yeah, that's me when I
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was like and I'm not going to elaborate then I elaborated the
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last time for 5 minutes like I have no words.
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OK, I'm sorry Brianna. We're we're ready now, OK.
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All right, switching gears entirely, Cameron sent me this
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and I love, I actually wasn't aware of this trend and I love
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this topic. I have a lot to say as always.
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So apparently there is a new trend occurring.
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And the dating community. I love how everything's a
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community now and it's called Boy Sober, where women are
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embracing celibacy for self improvement.
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Let's roll the clip A. Lot of girls are just deciding
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to take a little trip. It may not be a full time, you
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know, vacation away from the boys, but they're they're
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deciding to focus on themselves. Camelot, you have the first
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swing at this. I honestly think this is the
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last thing that women need. This is such like an A
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nihilistic perspective where these women have just become so
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self-centered and they only think of the short term instead
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of the long term because like look at what 3rd wave feminism
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has given us. You guys.
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Like we have the highest anxiety and depression rates.
18:28
We have like a female and a male loneliness epidemic that we're
18:31
seeing. There's such a dating divide in
18:33
our culture where we have like younger Gen.
18:37
Z women are way more liberal than Gen.
18:39
Z men. And we've seen that not only in
18:42
politics, but obviously with the with the dating gap.
18:45
And I just think 3rd wave feminism has tried to repackage
18:49
this and make it look like something that we should, we
18:53
should want to live our life. But they've like packaged
18:55
loneliness and emptiness and made it like empowerment.
18:59
And it's just not in any sense. OK, I kind of have a slightly
19:03
different take. I feel like this is like the
19:05
horseshoe effect where it's like feminism is just going for the
19:09
empowerment angle. Like, I think they're wrong
19:12
about how they're going about it, but their goal is to empower
19:15
women. And from me, from the
19:16
traditional side, I'm like, yeah, it is empowering to not
19:19
just let men use your bodies and sleep around.
19:22
So it's almost like they've come to the same conclusion, but just
19:25
through like jumping through all these mental gymnastics and all
19:28
these obstacles, like this is ultimately empowerment when I
19:31
just go from the get go, yeah, don't sleep around.
19:34
Don't throw your body around that like whatever guy walks,
19:36
that's actually not empowering. It's like, oh, this is a
19:39
lifestyle trend. No, this should just be a
19:41
lifestyle like it should be. You know, ultimately, I think
19:45
the best way to go about this is obviously wait till marriage.
19:48
Like that is like the best thing to do.
19:50
But obviously, I know we live in a modern culture and a lot of
19:52
people don't do that, but at least wait till you're in a very
19:55
committed relationship where like a man loves you and and
19:58
that's when you, you know, get intimate.
20:00
I, I actually took this as her giving up entirely and this,
20:04
this culture giving up on men and dating and that's why
20:07
they're going celibate. And the reason why I said I
20:10
think this is extremely like, detrimental to women, it's
20:13
because we have like, the lowest fertility rates in the country
20:16
that we've ever seen before. Unmarried women under 40, Those
20:21
are the lowest marriage rates. We have the highest divorce
20:24
rates. It's like what I understand,
20:27
like you said, like going it from it from a more traditional
20:30
route, not participating in hookup culture, right?
20:33
But I think these women are just trying to like, throw men out in
20:35
general and be like, we're done with you.
20:37
We're going celibate. And I'm just like, OK, like
20:40
honestly, maybe we let's re evaluate how you approach dating
20:44
in the first place. You're right there.
20:45
Is this like I don't need a man type of culture.
20:48
I'm going to do it by myself and I'm like, OK, have fun.
20:51
Like dying alone like that sounds terrible.
20:54
There's like no life that outlives you.
20:55
Like you're climbing the corporate ladder, you're
20:57
achieving all this great success, but you have nobody to
21:00
share it with because you've you've spent this entire time
21:03
abandoning the years that you were on this biological clock.
21:06
And they've completely disavowed men and condemn men from their
21:09
lives when actually we compliment one.
21:11
They're each gender biblically. We're supposed to complement one
21:14
another in a society. And if you're doing this like
21:17
whole girl boss, I hate a man like mentality, you're just
21:21
going to end up alone. And it's really hard.
21:23
Like I understand if you're going through hard times and
21:26
you're shutting men out because you've had really bad
21:27
experiences. Like I feel for you and I'm
21:30
sorry, but you shouldn't just maintain this entirely like
21:33
pessimistic outlook on it just because of a couple bad
21:37
experiences. Maybe you just go back and
21:39
reassess, you know, look inward. What are you?
21:41
Maybe that is pursue different people.
21:44
That is so true, Cam. And marriage is a team and it is
21:47
so beautiful. When a man and a woman come
21:49
together, support each other and build your lives together, you
21:52
become unstoppable. Which is why there is a saying
21:55
every great man has a great woman behind him.
21:58
And I would say vice versa. I think every great woman also
22:01
has a great man behind her. And I hate this culture where
22:04
it's like throw out men. I think it's disgusting.
22:07
And the left is so negative about everything, like
22:10
everything's oppressive, everything's terrible.
22:12
And you're so right. Maybe take some moment to look
22:14
inward on yourself and see like, am I being the highest value
22:18
woman and am I being the best woman I can be?
22:20
Because when you are. Why do I keep attracting this
22:23
type of man? Like maybe ask yourself that
22:26
like what am I doing to attract this?
22:28
Like I do think all of self growth comes from looking inward
22:32
and self assessing and being self aware and.
22:36
And if you're sleeping around with men, they're not going to
22:37
respect you in return. I'm just being honest with you.
22:40
If you if, if, if you're not respecting your own body and
22:42
your own standards, men are not going to respect you in return.
22:45
And that's a harsh thing to say, but it is the truth.
22:48
There's a reason why, you know, you see, with the most
22:50
successful marriages are people who actually waited for
22:52
marriage. The most successful
22:53
relationships are people who waited and didn't live together.
22:56
Pray together. Yeah, exactly.
22:58
And so when you hold yourself to the highest standard, then men
23:02
are also going to hold themselves to the highest
23:03
standard. And I think that there is, you
23:05
know, a societal trend that has gone away because of feminism
23:09
where we always talk about this, where women are now wearing
23:11
themselves to the same common denominator as men.
23:14
And instead, women used to lead men in the best direction
23:16
towards family, towards because we had chastity and we had a lot
23:20
of self respect. And men used to have to work to,
23:23
you know, be with us and support.
23:25
Us, it was the saying on one of our other podcasts where the man
23:29
is the head and the woman is the neck, guiding him in his
23:32
decision making. Ultimately, he's going to lead
23:34
your family, but you're the one who is who's helping guide those
23:38
decisions for your family. And so you have a very powerful
23:41
role within that dynamic. I completely agree.
23:44
So anyway, Long story short to wrap this up.
23:46
I completely agree. So anyway, let's moving on.
23:49
Moving on, but this is celibacy is good when you're waiting for
23:54
the right guy, but do not throw out men entirely like that is
23:57
just that is just so short sighted.
23:59
And next thing you know you're going to be frankly, because
24:02
there's a biological clock, you're going to be in your mid
24:04
40s and it's going to be too late to have kids.
24:06
And so just stop with that culture.
24:08
You guys find a good man that will support you and, and love
24:11
you and it will lead to the best life ever.
24:13
OK, our last topic of the yap today, our yap that's gone on
24:17
forever. It's called the yap for a
24:20
reason. OK, so the Wall Street Journal
24:22
put out an article. I'm so glad you sent me this
24:24
because this was, I think like two or three weeks ago, but I
24:26
really wanted to cover this. the US conservative women are now
24:30
prioritizing childbirth in their 20s and building their career in
24:33
their 30s. Our lovely friend Isabel Brown
24:36
was featured in that. We love her and she's a great
24:38
example of that. She is.
24:40
She's done amazing work. She's with the Daily Wire now.
24:43
But look, I mean, I think the left has, they've tried to make
24:46
tradition look really unattractive.
24:48
And I think that Gen. Z really appeals to aesthetics
24:51
and what's aesthetically pleasing.
24:52
And we kind of saw that with the mayoral race with mom Donnie,
24:55
him like utilizing TikTok doing these trends.
24:59
And I think that they've tried to make this tradition in this
25:03
traditional life look male centered instead of future
25:05
focused. And honestly, it's what
25:09
conservative females are doing now.
25:11
It's so smart because it's it's not putting women in a box.
25:14
It's showing that you can actually like rewrite the script
25:16
of what the culture is telling you to completely abandoned
25:19
family. And you can, you know, go with
25:21
your biological clock, start a family, pursue a happiness in
25:25
that way and true fulfillment, but also pursue creative outlets
25:29
because like I said, the left tries to put these conservative
25:32
women in a box and make it look oppressive, like marriage is
25:35
oppressive. Having a family is going to hold
25:37
you back from that job. And that honestly couldn't be
25:40
further from the truth. And I can't really speak on that
25:42
with too much authority, but I know Jamie can because Jamie has
25:44
a daughter. And look at what she's doing
25:46
right now. The left is all like we just
25:49
talked about it. They're all about empowering
25:51
woman, yet they tell women what they can't do on a regular basis
25:54
and it specifically involves having a career, family and
25:57
being married. Conservatives, on the other
26:00
hand, I think we're truly empowering women because we're
26:03
saying yes, you can. And a lot of people are like,
26:05
well, you can't do it all. No, you can.
26:07
Who says you can't do it all? I'm not saying that I am telling
26:10
you you can. I am right now doing it all and
26:13
I will say it is crazy. My schedule is insane.
26:16
I'm very lucky I have family to help me with all of it and I
26:19
have an amazing supportive husband that helps me with all
26:21
of this as well. But this is the beauty of life
26:24
that and I think I love that we're talking about having kids
26:27
before because a lot of people said, Oh well, I want to make
26:30
sure further along in my career and then I'm going to have kids.
26:32
Or like I have this amount of income or I live in this type of
26:35
house. Yeah, you know, and you can
26:37
actually work towards that. And now you have a reason.
26:40
If you have a little 1 running around, you have more of a
26:43
reason and drive behind your day to be the best version of
26:46
yourself and make the most money and pursue the career and take
26:50
the chance So. And I know that you can.
26:52
Drake and I had Vivian in an 800 square foot apartment.
26:55
Truly, we had a Vivian in an 800 square foot apartment.
26:58
We loved it. I had her little tiny room.
27:00
It was adorable. We're not in a much bigger space
27:02
now. We don't own a house yet.
27:03
And that's another thing people are like, well, you have to own
27:05
a house 1st and all that stuff. But I will say this.
27:07
So I had Vivian at 24 and I was really lucky that early in my
27:11
career I worked in the White House, Senate, Fox News.
27:14
That's actually crazy. I got a lot done in like a short
27:16
amount of time. So we both did.
27:18
Yeah, exactly. I'm very lucky.
27:19
I had that little segment before, you know, post college
27:22
and, and that two year segment. And then I had Vivian, I believe
27:25
like almost two years out of college, but my career has gone
27:29
upward, upward, upward since I had Vivian.
27:32
And you're right, having a child that drives you in a way that
27:34
you never felt that before. And I think like we talk so much
27:39
nowadays about the negatives about the digital age, as we
27:41
were talking about social media and how damaging it can be.
27:43
But what social media and the digital age has done for women
27:46
is it does allow you to be a stay at home mom, but also
27:49
pursue your career. And so I've been, you know, a
27:51
test. I've been a testament to that,
27:53
that you really can do it all. And I'm not saying it's easy,
27:55
you guys. It comes with, you know,
27:57
obviously it is easier if you don't have kids to get up and
27:59
get on a flight and go across the country and go on that work
28:01
trip. But surround yourself with an
28:03
amazing community And you just I work crazy hours.
28:07
I work, you know, I do like my fox hits late at night or we're
28:09
waking up. Sometimes you and I have like
28:11
3:00 AM to do one at 5:00 AM. You know how people are like
28:14
with men, if you want, if he wanted to, he would.
28:17
We'll put that the same thing on yourself.
28:18
If you want to, you would. And so I really believe that
28:21
make it all work and it makes life so much more exciting.
28:24
And you know how people say before Christ, like BC before
28:27
mom BM and it's like I, I feel like my life restarted when I
28:31
had Vivian and it's just, it's, I cannot tell you guys the
28:34
happiness and beauty and it makes me just so sad and sick in
28:38
my heart when they're pushing onto a woman not to have kids
28:41
because truly marriage and motherhood have been the best
28:43
aspect of my life. And I do all of this for that.
28:45
And like, I look at, you know, the things, you know, Cam and I
28:48
and it's so funny. I'll like be laying in bed with
28:50
Vivian at night and like Vivian will ask, I'm, I'm not making up
28:53
the story of people think I'm making up.
28:54
She goes can I watch Jamie and Cam Cam because she calls
28:57
Cameron Cam Cam and I'm like sure, and I sure like a little
28:59
real of us cuz she and I'm like, that's so sweet.
29:02
Like one day, you know, she'll look back and hear like what how
29:04
I talked about being a mom and how much I love her.
29:07
And I'm just like, that is such a special thing I think to share
29:09
with her in life later on. For sure, and we're learning
29:11
lessons now that we're gonna want to teach her when she's
29:15
like older. And the fact that like we all
29:17
got closer as friends ever since Vivian was born.
29:20
I feel like Vivian, I didn't think that we could get closer
29:24
as friends like me, you and Bry, but even people around like
29:27
Isabelle and and others, like we've all that's really brought
29:31
us together in a sense because we rallied behind you in a way.
29:34
You were the first out of like all of us to have have a kid and
29:37
a daughter at that. So having a girl running around
29:39
with us, just an extra person to throw on the brunch reservation.
29:42
So we love Vivi. Vivi does a lot of brunches with
29:46
us. Vivi's just one of the girls.
29:47
Yeah, she is one of the girls. All right, you guys going into
29:51
our next segment, I have no words where we always have a lot
29:54
of words. I love this this week.
29:59
So, Amanda, how do you pronounce her last name?
30:02
Seyfred or Seyfred? Seyfred.
30:04
Seyfred I, I know her because it's like Mama Mia, obviously.
30:07
I actually just watched her thing where she was Elizabeth
30:09
Holmes at docu series. She's a good actress and I know
30:12
she's in a movie with Sidney Sweeney coming up, but she said
30:15
socialism is a gorgeous idea. Following backlash after her
30:19
comments about Charlie Kirk calling him hateful.
30:23
Yeah, I mean, I think she's the real life Karen Smith when she
30:25
was in Mean Girls where she's like, can I, I can put my whole
30:27
fist in my mouth. Do you want to see?
30:28
I'm like, I lost brain cells reading this because she is a
30:32
multi, multi millionaire. And I'm like, are you going to
30:35
give up all your wealth so we can all be poor together or you
30:38
just going to sit there? And I know that she just sold
30:41
her $3.25 million penthouse in New York City a couple years
30:45
back. She was just featured in Vogue
30:47
and Architectural Digests in her new like farmhouse look.
30:52
And I'm sure that was millions of dollars as well.
30:54
So I'm like, So what are you going to do to contribute to
30:56
this? Because I mean, for me, I read
30:58
that and I'm like just you're, you're condemning the system
31:02
that you are capitalizing off of.
31:04
So. You literally took the words out
31:06
of my mouth. Like, really Amanda?
31:09
That's her name, right? Yeah.
31:10
Amanda. Really Amanda?
31:12
Really. Like it's.
31:13
This is the new form of charity in the social media age and in
31:18
the celebrity world where, you know, you can come out and say
31:20
anything and it gets, it's this, it's the virtue of signaling
31:23
where it's so empty, It's so hollow.
31:26
Like you said, it's like, OK, give up all of your money.
31:29
But they're not they, they get, you know, praise and claps for
31:33
just coming out and saying these liberal talking points, whether
31:35
it be about wanting refugees in our country, being against the
31:39
police or wanting socialism. It's so empty and hollow and it
31:42
requires 0 work. That's why they do it because
31:46
real work is doing something off camera where you're going behind
31:49
the scenes and helping out other people out of the beat for doing
31:51
your time, your money. But it's never that with these
31:54
people. Instead, it's always the fake
31:56
virtue signaling. So they get, you know, the cheer
31:58
from all of their people. And it's not just celebrities.
32:00
It's even like people, you know that you know, that you fall on
32:03
Instagram where they throw up their little Instagram story.
32:05
And I do the Instagram story as well for things I believe in.
32:08
But it's for them. It's like they want, you know,
32:11
applause for these, this fate of hollow stuff that doesn't
32:14
require any work. Well, I think this is a direct
32:17
correlation to like her low intelligence.
32:19
I think she's a low IQ and if I'm being honest, because if she
32:23
actually was smart, she would see where every other country
32:27
that did this, it didn't work and it's not a successful
32:31
country. And also like going back to her
32:33
comments, this was I think following the comments where she
32:36
called Charlie Kirk hateful. Like she's obviously very
32:40
unintelligent, you guys. Because Charlie Kirk, if he was
32:43
so full of hate, he wouldn't have had the conversations that
32:46
he did with people across the aisle for us to all get to
32:49
understand each other and to hear one another out and have
32:52
respectful dialogue. If he was so full of hate, he
32:55
really wouldn't have advocated for that or participated in
32:58
that. So Amanda, please shut the F up.
33:00
Nobody wants to hear from you. I truly don't know how anyone
33:04
takes you seriously and you genuinely.
33:06
I do believe she's like the real life mean girl Karen Smith where
33:09
she has no brain cells. Charlie Kirk achieved more in
33:13
one day of his life that was 31 years than she will ever in her
33:17
entire life. Charlie Kirk was the opposite of
33:19
hateful, as you just said. He welcome in anyone.
33:22
He would talk to anyone. He was strong in his beliefs.
33:24
He was a devout Christian. He was a bold conservative, but
33:28
he would welcome and talk to any single person.
33:31
The exact opposite of hateful. You're hateful, Amanda, for the
33:34
things you say, and you're hateful for promoting socialism
33:37
in our country because we don't want to live in bread lines.
33:39
We don't want communism. We do not want the government to
33:42
take over our freedom. So that's a very selfish way.
33:44
The last thing I'll say about socialism too, it's all these
33:46
people pretending that they're the opposite of selfish, that
33:49
they're selfless people, but taking other people's money
33:53
through the government and I guess spending it on God knows
33:56
what programs they want to do that usually never work or raise
33:59
a single person out of poverty, which shows in every single
34:02
country that fails. That is not being selfless, that
34:05
is actually being greedy because instead you're going after other
34:08
people who have worked hard for their money.
34:09
Anyone who's made money has worked hard for that, despite
34:11
what the left says. And so that is a very greedy and
34:13
envious way. And it preys on the worst
34:16
instincts of humanity, where if someone has more than you, you
34:19
have to go after that. Why don't we ever see these
34:22
people like overly involved in in philanthropy and giving their
34:25
money to to generous causes? You'll never see them giving up
34:28
their money, but they want everybody else to do it.
34:30
And they, it's like they, they act like it's just a pie and you
34:33
can only, you know, have a piece of this pie.
34:36
It's not like you can make it just because someone else is
34:39
wealthy. It does not in any way mean that
34:41
takes away from your ability to be wealthy.
34:43
And so I'm just so sick of this. I mean, it's so it's like almost
34:46
cliche. And I guess it's like Boomer
34:49
slop to be like bad socialism, but like, yes, socialism is bad
34:53
you. Know it does that was like one
34:55
of the main signs on my turning point campus.
34:57
I was holding up. I was like, I was like holding
35:00
up the turning point. Socialism sucks sign, but it's
35:02
true. Like look at every country that
35:04
has social. And Speaking of me being in
35:05
Europe, like they've embraced a lot of socialist big
35:08
entitlements and I'm sorry, their economy has only gone
35:11
down. And there's a reason why America
35:13
is the number one innovator in the world.
35:15
We have the highest GDP per capita.
35:17
Take your socialism Europe, take your socialism other places.
35:20
It's just going to produce nothing.
35:23
Yeah, I think, I think God. For America, like every modern
35:26
amenity that you have, that all these socialists sit on their
35:29
couch typing on their iPhone, getting on their plane.
35:31
Thank you America. Thank you capitalism for
35:33
producing that. So that's my soapbox.
35:35
I think we, yeah, I think we can end on that note.
35:38
Yeah, OK. Getting into our fun little
35:41
topics, we're going to go back to hot or not.
35:48
OK, Cameron, micro trends hot or not?
35:50
Hot. I think they're so funny and I
35:52
also love like the beauty ones too, of the hair and the nails.
35:56
I don't know, I think it's fun. It's different.
35:58
The clean girl aesthetic I really got into.
36:00
So I'm going to go hot. Can I go lukewarm on this?
36:03
Is that a cat? I'm it's our home show.
36:06
I'm inventing the cat. Or maybe like hot or not like
36:09
either. Or I'm this is my first time I'm
36:10
voting lukewarm. I do love kind of like getting
36:13
into like the different like I remember like vanilla girl
36:16
aesthetic where like you wore like a lot of white and creams.
36:18
I think I did that like 2 winters ago.
36:20
So I do love that. But I do also think it kind of
36:22
leads to like this as we're talking about capitalism, this
36:25
like over the top consumerism where it's like you need to keep
36:28
buying, buying, buying, buying to keep up with stuff.
36:30
And I do think that there's something to be said about
36:33
lasting timeless pieces. Shout out to Bryson, our good
36:36
friend. She is the type of girl that
36:38
will have like a skirt that she bought in high school and it
36:41
still looks great today versus Cameron and I are not so much
36:44
that. No, we look back on the the
36:46
things that we are wearing with the ruffles and the poofy
36:50
sleeves and the polka dotted, polka dotted tights have made a
36:53
comeback. You guys actually that was a
36:55
trend that they said that was. Someone commented like can you
36:57
tell us where you guys got your polka dotted tights?
36:59
Oh my gosh, like Caledonia or something.
37:02
I. Think we got No, I think we used
37:03
to get those from forever. I used to order them from both
37:05
of us because they were so. Yeah, she did order them for me.
37:08
Yeah, and I would get them from Forever 21 actually.
37:10
OK, there you go. What?
37:12
A business, though. I don't think so.
37:14
I think there's still a thing because I know there's a Forever
37:16
21 in Kentucky. So is there?
37:18
I feel like I haven't seen one in years that then again, I
37:19
don't really go to malls anymore.
37:21
Yeah, OK, this one's hilarious. We're exposing ourselves with
37:25
this face app. And by the way, any girl that's
37:28
like, what's that? You know what?
37:30
That. You know don't even try us with
37:33
that. I was laughing so hard cuz we
37:35
have a friend Bridget where we were like we could we would face
37:38
up our dog if we had one like I would I face that Pat.
37:43
Nothing is worse though. You guys when face app thinks
37:46
you're a man that is the most humbling experience of my life.
37:50
Humbling. I'm like, why is it man?
37:52
Yeah. Why are you trying to put a
37:54
mustache on me No, but I use face app for everything.
37:58
You guys, if you I'm sorry I'm coming clean on that you look at
38:01
any of my photos there's face app on it except for our videos.
38:04
We can't edit our we can't be in real time.
38:06
I. Wish I wish I could just put
38:08
that. Paris filter, though, is a close
38:10
second. Filter that is some propaganda
38:13
that I am falling for you know what I love though about face
38:17
app I I I really actually try to keep it looking natural, but it
38:21
does just like the lighting on your face looks so much better
38:24
like it like just like provides lighting it will like.
38:27
Yeah, sometimes, like it'll if you take a photo and bad
38:29
lighting, it'll cast that shadow over your face.
38:32
Photos are just trash. Like if you look back at when
38:34
people actually used to real use real cameras, I feel like that's
38:37
kind of like why do people used to look so much better?
38:39
Like yes, people I feel like used to be better in shape, but
38:42
also like iPhones just make you look horrific, like the photos
38:45
on an iPhone. Sometimes I'm like, do I really
38:47
look this bad? Like it just like you're you
38:50
just look so washed out like it. I just find that like face app
38:53
at least like provides like a little more contrast.
38:56
It like obviously makes your complexion look nicer, adds a
39:00
little oomph where you need it. So I.
39:02
Always say I'm like if I look at a photo of myself it doesn't
39:05
have face app on it. I'm like who is that girl?
39:07
Cuz that ain't me. You know the I'm sorry.
39:10
Oh yeah. Where you're like switching back
39:12
and forth between face app or face tune and you're scrolling
39:17
to fix the lighting and you're like, I've officially reached
39:20
flow state. That is flow state.
39:21
Camerons are GX7 camera girl. Oh you bet you I will never be
39:26
the friend that doesn't send you the photo to face app yourself
39:29
before I post it. Like if you don't do that for
39:31
your friends, you are an awk. Yeah.
39:33
Can we also talk about the fact that like being a close friend,
39:36
you know each other's face app filters but also the person who
39:39
like you don't know and they face app themselves and they I
39:42
leave you dead and dirty and raw.
39:45
Yeah, Oh, I've had that. I've had this happen to me.
39:48
I'm not going to at the person. I know I she posted this story
39:53
like no. She posted that photo of us and
39:56
didn't do my face and it was so blatantly obvious that like 1
40:01
was not fixed because of the lighting.
40:02
You're right, it fixes the lighting and the shadows and
40:05
everything and it shows like a filter on them and then not on
40:08
you so. Yeah, that she didn't mean dirty
40:11
with that one. Hate that, that's the worst.
40:12
That's not hot when you leave your friend on face stopped.
40:15
OK, signature scent. I'm going to go hot and I use a
40:19
lot of different scents, but there are like maybe 2 I go back
40:23
to every time, but I'll try out new ones.
40:25
And I think it's very classy, and it's more elegant just to
40:28
have like a scent that people can remember you by.
40:31
I love my mom actually got me this perfume like probably two
40:34
years ago. I guess I do like hot for a
40:36
signature scent because I literally only use this perfume
40:38
and I just love it. And I guess that's how I smell.
40:40
And then I also love that like I have a huge nostalgia with
40:43
smells. So like, I didn't, I didn't even
40:45
realize this, but my mom used to use this type of perfume.
40:48
It was called child, this perfume.
40:50
And I smelled it a few years ago and it like I had the most like
40:53
a nostalgic event from it. And I was like, where do I know
40:57
this from? And I ended up like I talked to
40:58
my mom and my mom's like, oh, I used to wear that when you were
41:00
little. So I think that there is
41:01
something to be said about that. Yeah.
41:03
Yeah, I use, I love Carolina or Carolina Herrera, Carolina
41:08
Herrera, the good girl and the like.
41:12
Stiletto, black stiletto bottle. I like Baccarat Rouge.
41:17
Obviously at 5:40. I know that's so basic, but it's
41:20
such a great so I get so many compliments on it all the time
41:24
when I wear it. And then also you put me onto
41:26
that Toca perfume. Oh, I have use that the hair,
41:29
the hair perfume. Yeah, the hair and body.
41:31
Perfume. And I always put perfume in my
41:32
hair too. That's.
41:33
Actually I do too because it actually stays more.
41:35
Yeah, yeah. If you forget to like, put
41:38
perfume on, it's almost like leaving the house forgetting to
41:39
brush your teeth. Yeah.
41:40
Because it's like we have so much Hairspray on and stuff like
41:43
I need a good. Scent.
41:45
Yeah, you feel like there's something missing, like you
41:46
don't have your jacket on or something.
41:48
OK. Cardio.
41:49
I'm gonna go not I am not into high intensity workouts.
41:53
You guys, I, as I've gotten older, I'm more into like low
41:55
intensity workouts. If I do cardio, it's at Berry's
41:58
where there's like a mix between running on the treadmill and
42:02
weight training. But I'm just going to go not.
42:04
It's really not what my body needs.
42:05
I think do what you need to to cater it to your body and your
42:09
fitness goals, obviously. But for me personally, I'm going
42:12
to go not. Yeah, I'm just like not a big
42:15
worker outer in my day and age. I always think and like I just I
42:19
wish I was. I honestly though, I guess hot
42:22
for me because I am always like I just truly in this point in my
42:26
life, I do not have time to work out at the moment.
42:28
Like I need some time to like have that little bit of
42:30
downtime. And I know that's like an
42:32
excuse. Yeah, I totally agree.
42:33
Like you can't, you can make time for it, but I'm running
42:36
around all the time, especially having a 2, almost 3 year old.
42:40
So I'm just running around so much, I guess.
42:42
Yeah, I do do cardio through that.
42:43
I'm sure I get like a billion steps in a day.
42:44
Like from what? Just running around to different
42:47
all the time. But yeah, so I guess hot for me
42:49
with that. OK, last one, slick backs.
42:53
I think for me personally, I'm going to go not now I've done it
42:57
in a ponytail and I like it on me, but I don't think I could do
43:00
like a slick back bun at all. So I don't know.
43:03
I think I'm going to go not on this one, but I like it on other
43:06
people. I think it looks great.
43:08
Yeah, there's like a certain face slick back that it I can't
43:11
even describe it, but there's some people who look like super
43:13
good in a slack. I went through like a big
43:15
ponytail phase in 2023 where I. Remember the surprise engaging?
43:19
Yeah, a piece of me is like, I don't even know why I don't do
43:23
it anymore. I'm like, maybe I should go back
43:25
to that. I feel like, honestly, I feel
43:26
like because we do 2V so much right now, I don't think it
43:29
would like perform well on TVI feel like they like your hair
43:32
down more. But I'm like, maybe I've
43:34
actually thought about bringing that back.
43:35
So I'm going to go hot, I think. On the pod it'd be good.
43:37
You can switch it up on the podcast.
43:39
Maybe not for regular TV, but. Should I do it next episode?
43:42
I put my hair up in a ponytail the last.
43:46
Oh yeah, that looked really good.
43:47
I think or or a couple episodes ago, yeah.
43:49
I should give it a try. OK, our last segment of the day,
43:52
propaganda we're not falling for.
43:58
All right, Cam, hit us first. OK, propaganda I'm not falling
44:01
for is negative self talk. And Jamie and I have had a lot
44:05
of discussions about this because we'll go on TV together
44:08
a lot and sometimes if we're feeling down or not that
44:11
confident, it's good. We both have the saying, just
44:15
gaslight yourself. Even if you don't feel it in the
44:18
moment. If you look at yourself in the
44:20
mirror and you affirm yourself that like you're gorgeous, you
44:23
can speak well, you're eloquent, you have great posture, like
44:27
you're very much capable. Well, it rewires your brain and
44:30
it's actually spiritual too. It's not just like scientific,
44:33
but that's actually in the Bible.
44:34
There's like a Proverbs that says like death and life in the
44:37
power of the tongue. And so I do think you're able to
44:39
speak life into yourself, into another person, or you can speak
44:43
death by the way that you talk about yourself or other people.
44:46
Think if it doesn't serve you, then just don't say it.
44:48
Just maybe, just keep affirming yourself.
44:51
Wow, I love that I really, I'm a big believer and that life is
44:55
all about your mentality. And I, I always say this like I,
45:00
I feel like people always like, Jamie, you're a happy go lucky
45:02
person. That's like something I usually
45:03
get about myself and I am because I choose to live that
45:05
way. Like I never will live
45:07
negatively. Like I, I choose happiness every
45:10
day and I, I really believe when it comes to anything in life,
45:13
it, it like, of course there are things that are out of your
45:15
control that you cannot choose, But if you, you can choose every
45:18
day how you're going to go about your life, what your mindset is
45:20
going to be. And I completely agree.
45:22
When I'm doing stuff that I'm stressed out or I'm anxious for
45:24
because there's, you know, we both do like very high pressure
45:26
jobs with this world that we're you tell yourself you're going
45:29
to go out there and kill it and just have a positive view and be
45:32
excited for every opportunity and like you're going to be
45:35
successful when you do that. I'm a big believer, so I love
45:37
that. Something that I've implemented
45:39
and before, like doing TV hits is like I'll make myself look in
45:43
the mirror and I know like all the girlies they'll say like do
45:46
your affirmations in the morning, but like I never did
45:48
that. You guys like I would pray and
45:50
like really speak to God and not make it just about myself.
45:52
But sometimes you need that positive self talk to be like,
45:55
OK, like, I think you're under sometimes.
45:56
What I do mostly for me is like, not underestimate myself, but
46:00
maybe undervalue myself sometimes.
46:02
And so I really do have to like, look in the mirror and be like,
46:04
OK, you're competent, you're beautiful.
46:07
You're gonna do great. Like, just to calm your nerves
46:09
if you're in a setting like that.
46:11
But just in general, going through life, I think there's a
46:13
lot of positive impact that it can have.
46:15
Oh I completely agree mine is totally different.
46:18
I love like your vibe. I like more than mine.
46:21
Mine was propaganda. I'm not falling for is new age
46:24
names. I like Oh.
46:26
My gosh, I'm so glad you brought this up.
46:28
OK, so I am on it's so funny because this happened to me
46:31
after having a daughter before I had Vivian, I was not on this
46:35
TikTok at all. But I am on baby naming TikTok
46:38
for years now about like what are the top charts, different
46:41
trends different like I could tell you a whole thing about
46:44
like different categories of baby names.
46:46
I actually find it really interesting.
46:47
And so I think that's why TikTok feeds it more to me.
46:49
But I am, and this is for those of you guys that don't know, I
46:53
named Vivian after a great grandmother.
46:56
Her name was Vivian Garnier. She was apparently the most
46:57
beautiful French woman and she was French Canadian and everyone
47:02
always said that she was beautiful.
47:03
And so I love that that name is timeless and it has also like
47:06
family heritage to it and has real meaning behind it.
47:09
But that in the moment that's why.
47:11
But I'm so happy I did that other and you know, no hate to
47:14
anybody. Like everyone, I hate when
47:16
people like think it's a direct attack on them.
47:17
Like we're allowed, everyone's allowed to have their own
47:19
opinion, have their own taste, whether that be names, interior
47:22
design, style, fashion and stuff.
47:24
But I just I'm not a new age baby name person.
47:26
And I think a lot of times, you know how, for example, there's
47:29
certain names that you associate with a certain generation and
47:31
that's because it was super trendy during that generation.
47:34
I do think it's good to have just a both Cameron and I are
47:37
definitely, I feel like victims of having Gen.
47:41
Z girl boy. Why with with the Christian
47:43
girl? We always joke every Christian
47:45
girl has a random asks Y in their name.
47:48
We're and I actually love our names.
47:50
Like I'm not even no hate towards.
47:52
Our names, I think besides people saying that I look trans,
47:55
I think the number one comment I get is like do you see this
47:58
girl's name? Like that's the whitest southern
48:00
name. They like Cameron, Bailey,
48:03
Kinsey, Cameron with AY, Bailey with AY, Kinsey with AY and it's
48:08
like 3 first names that just like I laugh cuz I'm like that's
48:12
actually so true if you think about.
48:13
It someone left to comment one time like I would expect this
48:16
type of opinion from Jamie. Why?
48:18
Yeah, Jamie Lee. I'm like, okay, yeah, granted I
48:22
get that, yeah, but anyway, that's.
48:23
Again, tell sincerely, sisters what your mom almost named you.
48:28
OK this is like crazy invisible string.
48:31
My mom was deciding between these names.
48:36
Jamie Cameron, Alexandra who? Alex Bryson who?
48:39
Bryson's her last name but her first name is Alexandra or Alex.
48:42
I think she was doing Alex actually, not Alexandra.
48:44
I don't know if she would have done fold but Alex and Bailey,
48:47
How weird is that? Like crazy, guys.
48:50
Invisible string. Yeah, isn't that funny?
48:52
But anyway, yeah, I'm not as much into the new like when
48:54
people are like I'm naming my son like Maverick or Jagger and
48:58
like no hate to anyone that has a kid named that, like that is
49:02
beautiful, but personally not my style.
49:04
Cameron, what propaganda are you falling for?
49:06
OK, propaganda that I am falling for that I see a lot is
49:09
rebranding. Where have you ever seen the
49:11
memes? That's like I'm deleting that
49:12
photo I posted yesterday because that's not indicative of who I
49:15
am today. I love that, yes, I am.
49:18
Too I I look at and this doesn't even go for social media.
49:21
You guys. I actually want to like
49:22
reinforce this in like your life and you can actually rebrand and
49:26
restructure your day if you're wanting to become like a better
49:30
person, implement like, yeah, nighttime tea routine or, you
49:34
know, doing skin care or making time for yourself in that way
49:38
and like adopting healthier habits, I think is great.
49:41
But also on your Instagram, I want you guys to know before I
49:44
got into politics, I actually got my start getting followers
49:48
from being a cheerleader in college and having more of like
49:51
a fitness lifestyle brand. And so that's actually what
49:55
built my platform up because I feel like it, I was just college
49:59
cheerleader influencers at the time, but then I rebranded.
50:02
And once I rebranded to politics because you can do it, I was
50:06
getting serious about my career and my life.
50:08
You know, after college, my growth just jumped
50:11
exponentially. And so I think if you're, it's
50:13
not bipolar, like if you're just like at another point in your
50:16
life, you're getting older, you don't want to stay stagnant,
50:18
just do it. Like just rebrand.
50:20
You're not depressed, you just need a rebrand.
50:22
Yeah, you're not depressed. Just rebrand your whole entire
50:24
existence. I literally love that.
50:28
I love a good rebrand. You're so right about like this.
50:32
A piece of me wants to be more mysterious.
50:34
I'm just not a mysterious person.
50:35
I know I'm like, this does not give Melania energy, and I'll
50:38
like archive it. And I'm like, who do I think I
50:40
am? Like I do this for a living.
50:42
There's no way I can maintain Melania energy because all I do
50:45
is yeah. But you're right, in the age of
50:46
social media, everyone does kind of have like a brand to a point.
50:49
So I love that. And you are your like for us.
50:52
We are our brand. Like our viewpoints, who we are,
50:55
like our morals, our values, like what?
50:57
Like our family, like that is our brand essentially.
51:00
And so I do think if you're at a point where you've been posting
51:03
things that aren't indicative of who you are or you're like
51:06
staying stagnant, just rebrand and you've got a new year coming
51:09
up. So now is the time to do it.
51:11
I totally agree. OK, propaganda that I am falling
51:14
for is modest is hottest. I say this as I'm wearing like a
51:17
mini skirt right now, but I'm wearing tights with my mini
51:20
skirt. So I yeah, it's fine.
51:21
I actually think there's something so much more beautiful
51:24
and sexy, to be honest, when you dress a little more modestly.
51:27
And obviously it's like the Christian in me and stuff, but I
51:30
just, I always think like when you're just, I don't find it
51:33
sexy when someone's like exposing their whole body, to be
51:36
honest. I think you can do modesty in a
51:38
very like sexy way. Well, yeah.
51:41
And it leaves them wanting more. Yeah.
51:43
Then they're like, probably. I say like dressing for the male
51:46
gaze. I say it like in that
51:48
perspective. But even for the female gaze, I
51:50
feel like it just leaves people wanting more.
51:52
You're not giving everything up. Like, it does give you that
51:55
mystery. Yeah.
51:56
They're like more mystery and you just look more
51:59
sophisticated. And you look more beautiful.
52:02
Like I think it's great to be sexy, but there's a way to do it
52:05
and look sexy. Though in my opinion I've like
52:08
the older that we get, the more that we find that to be way more
52:11
attractive. Well, I follow a rule, so like
52:14
example, if I'm going to have something that shows like maybe
52:16
a tiny, I don't really ever show cleavage, but like if I do have
52:19
like a lower V-neck or like maybe something that's just a
52:21
little bit lower, then I'm I'm always wearing long.
52:23
And then vice versa, if I'm wearing like a mini skirt, then
52:25
I'm going to wear like a more modest shirt up top.
52:27
I think that that's like a good, good rule to follow.
52:29
I wanted, you know me, I will have use any opportunity to get
52:32
on a little soapbox about my rant.
52:34
There is nothing I hate more than backless outfits.
52:38
Not that they don't look good. I'm actually not coming after it
52:40
for that reason. It's just like I will go on like
52:43
Revolve. I feel like revolve is the
52:45
number 100%. They're the the brand that does
52:48
this the most. I'll be like, oh, that's such a
52:50
cute dress. Then I turn it around and it's
52:52
fully backless. And for girls that do have a
52:54
little bit of a bus, but it's a natural bus, so you do need to
52:58
wear a bra as I do. I need to wear a bra.
53:01
How are you wearing this outfit? And people are like, Jamie, just
53:03
do the sticky boobs or whatever. No, I'm sorry, I just have too
53:07
big of a bus where that sticky boob just does not work for me.
53:10
And so it. Doesn't keep it up.
53:12
It just like you just make sure that you're like nipples aren't
53:15
showing. Yeah, and I'm like, no, I need
53:17
like a lift. I need a it just I don't like
53:19
like I also it's not even a lift.
53:22
It's just I do not like if I'm walking and like my boobs are
53:25
going like this and too much me walked in.
53:29
Yeah. And so I hate a backless outfit.
53:32
I'm just like the amount of times I'm like, oh, I'm going to
53:34
buy that. And I turn it around and it's
53:36
like, how did the freak do I do a bra with this?
53:38
I find that very annoying. That is like my biggest pet
53:40
peeve recently. Yeah, and I think the older that
53:42
you get to, you find your sense of style more and then actually
53:46
cater your outfits to like your body type.
53:49
I feel like when I was younger, I was just like throwing on
53:52
whatever, especially in college or like living in Florida.
53:56
I always joke like living in Florida, you actually have to
53:58
walk around half naked. And when I say half naked, I
54:00
mean like a gym set, but it's so hot there where like it does
54:04
like motivate you to be in shape and to look your best because
54:08
you can't wear a ton of clothing.
54:09
But now that I'm like in California and especially since
54:12
like trends are huge here and sense of style is very big and
54:15
we're always working, like I've found more of my sense of style.
54:19
And I will say like I like turtlenecks on me and I like
54:22
like a higher rise on my neck because it just like I think
54:26
complements my body type more. And I have a longer torso too.
54:30
So I like high rise mini or mini skirts.
54:33
Like you just find I feel like you know your sense of style.
54:36
Once you know what your body type is, you grow into your body
54:39
a little bit more. So I agree with you.
54:41
Yeah, actually, it's so funny. My that is such a big part of
54:45
style because I've realized, for example, when you're on TV,
54:47
there's things that look good on.
54:48
Dressing for TV is so different than dressing for real life
54:50
because you have to wear like something a lot more fitted.
54:52
Like a lot of times I love wearing like a loose, like
54:54
oversized sweater, but I wouldn't wear that on TV because
54:56
it's very unflattering. But for me, like I noticed like
54:59
AV neck is very flattering on me.
55:01
So anyway, that's part of life, learning your body and how to
55:04
most flatter and style it and keeping it modest.
55:07
I think that's the hottest. That's overall the message I'll
55:09
end with there. All right, girls, I hope you
55:12
enjoyed our episode. It was a little longer today
55:13
because we had a lot to catch up on.
55:15
We love you all so much. Thank you so much for tuning in
55:18
and thank you for your patience and bearing with us as we did a
55:21
little travel. Super excited, happy early.
55:24
Merry Christmas and next week, next Wednesday and the following
55:27
Wednesday, like I said, we'll be doing our Christmas and New
55:29
Year's episode, so make sure you tune in and we'll be back in our
55:33
studio probably in the new year. I would assume so.
55:35
We hope it was worth the wait for you guys and we love you and
55:38
we will see you next week. So bye.
55:52
We'll see you every Wednesday.