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What's wrong with Joe Ryan, and where did the Twins' offense go? · Twin Cities Territory

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  Speaker 1: Are you one hundred percent past the arm fatigue being
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  Speaker 1: reportedly felt, I would.
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  Speaker 2: Say, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: That is not good. That was Joe Ryan, Twins starting pitcher,
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  Speaker 3: who struggled again this week against the Kansas City Royals
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  Speaker 3: and is now being evaluated for an injury. We've heard
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  Speaker 3: arm fatigue, we've heard lower half, a lot of concerning stuff.
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  Speaker 3: We'll play his full comments later from the clubhouse after
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  Speaker 3: that game here on Twin Cities Territory today, but we'll
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  Speaker 3: also talk about the twins two losses in Kansas City
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  Speaker 3: since the deadline, Tom Polad's comments on the deadline in
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  Speaker 3: the team's future. But we'll start with Joe not good,
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  Speaker 3: another rough outing in Kansas City, and now it sounds
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  Speaker 3: like he's going to miss a little bit of time
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  Speaker 3: as he gets pasted. Whatever he's going through right now, Dan,
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  Speaker 3: what's the latest on Joe Ryan.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's been listed as arm fatigue, but they're
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  Speaker 4: evaluating him for back, lower back glute and he went
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  Speaker 4: back to he left the team on Wednesday to go
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  Speaker 4: back to Minneapolis to be evaluated and at this point
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  Speaker 4: they're not sure. They're looking for answers too, and Joe Ryan,
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  Speaker 4: as you can tell, I mean, he doesn't have a
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  Speaker 4: lot of answers right now. He is always a guy
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  Speaker 4: who you know, you can tell when he's going through
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  Speaker 4: something because he gets cryptic. I think he likes Fanny
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  Speaker 4: guy that knows what's going on, and when he doesn't
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  Speaker 4: know what's going on, you just get a lot of
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  Speaker 4: hemming and high and we saw that and that was
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  Speaker 4: just one little ten second clip of a two and
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  Speaker 4: a half minute interview where it was very much the
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  Speaker 4: same thing. So it's not great right now with Joe Ryan.
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  Speaker 4: They got to figure it out his last three outings
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  Speaker 4: and he I think he even kind of maybe put
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  Speaker 4: it out there that this is something that even bugged
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  Speaker 4: him in the start against the Los Angeles Angels before
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  Speaker 4: the break, but he was okay that he was actually
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  Speaker 4: pretty solid in that one. But his last three outings
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  Speaker 4: fifteen and thirty innings twenty five hits, only ten strikeouts,
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  Speaker 4: and I believe in nine thirty six, if not a
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  Speaker 4: nine to sixty three era, it has not.
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  Speaker 5: Gone well for him lately since the All Star break.
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  Speaker 4: And I know Joe Ryan has always had issues in
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  Speaker 4: the second half. That's his career is era after the
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  Speaker 4: All Star break is four to nine six is the
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  Speaker 4: ra in his career before the All Star Break is
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  Speaker 4: three point one point seven. But this is definitely something
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more than what he typically goes through
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  Speaker 4: because his body is not helping him right now. And
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  Speaker 4: you know, it doesn't shock me that it's back, lower back,
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  Speaker 4: and glute because if you remember, back in February, Joe
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  Speaker 4: Ryan's first start of spring training was scratched because he
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  Speaker 4: had a lower back lock up on him in the
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  Speaker 4: bullpen session. And this is something that I think has
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  Speaker 4: bugged him a lot of the year. He's been able
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  Speaker 4: to be really good until these last three and you know,
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  Speaker 4: I think that he's figured out ways to work around it,
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  Speaker 4: and now he is not, and so it was definitely
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  Speaker 4: time to stop and evaluate and figure out what's going
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  Speaker 4: on and knock it out. This is a guy, if
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  Speaker 4: you remember, in twenty twenty three, pitched made seven starts
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  Speaker 4: after he hurt his groin in a pregame warm up
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  Speaker 4: in the outfield in Atlanta. He made seven disastrous starts,
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  Speaker 4: gave up seventeen homers and thirty two and two thirds
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  Speaker 4: innings at that time, but it was masked by the
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  Speaker 4: fact that he was still getting strikeouts. He stuck out
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  Speaker 4: fifty two guys and only walked ten and that thirty
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  Speaker 4: two innings. But you know he so for him to
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  Speaker 4: pull the plug after three is definitely the right step
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  Speaker 4: because there's still time in the season to get right
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  Speaker 4: and maybe get back on track.
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  Speaker 3: You read more about it on The Athletic as I
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  Speaker 3: just showed on the screen on YouTube and one of
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  Speaker 3: Dan's latest stories on the team. Let's play the full
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  Speaker 3: video instead of just the twelve second clip here. This
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  Speaker 3: is from Tuesday night after his start in cancer.
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  Speaker 6: Trying to get anything right through the week and just
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  Speaker 6: not not getting back to A to.
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  Speaker 2: B during the week. Do you feel like you're getting
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  Speaker 2: closer to figure out what's going on?
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  Speaker 5: Like?
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  Speaker 2: Do we feel better the at times?
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean it's so kind same substance around,
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  Speaker 6: Like I'm so yeah, just for sure, are.
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  Speaker 1: You one hundred percent past the arm fatigue that you
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  Speaker 1: reportedly felt.
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  Speaker 2: I would say, I mean.
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  Speaker 6: Uh yeah, I guess, uh yeah, just certain things are
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  Speaker 6: working on still and try to figure out so yeah,
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  Speaker 6: well we'll get to the wrong of it.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel like maybe this isn't a point where
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  Speaker 1: a couple extra days and extra ball playing that kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing might be beneficial or it is the best
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  Speaker 1: thing to keep going out there at games and try
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  Speaker 1: to figure out that way.
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  Speaker 6: I think, what we'll get a plan together this week
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  Speaker 6: and just figure out which it's gonna be the best
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  Speaker 6: for take it all forward.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, not good. Obviously frustrated, understandably so.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: They mentioned arn't fatigue in the video, but as Dan
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  Speaker 3: was talking about there, they're concerned about the lower body
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  Speaker 3: as well, and Tyler, Uh, the key to pitching is
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  Speaker 3: actually in the lower body.
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  Speaker 7: So it's hard to pitch when when you can't twist
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  Speaker 7: and contort that body like you're used to. And especially
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  Speaker 7: in his case, he's the guy that gets so low
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  Speaker 7: to the ground, gets so into his hips and you know,
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  Speaker 7: if you slow mot his delivery like you know, back
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  Speaker 7: knees almost in the dirt, you know, and he's getting
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  Speaker 7: out way over his front side.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's an extension. Is so good.
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  Speaker 7: His slot is everything that makes him Joe Ryan. And
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  Speaker 7: when you can't bend how you're supposed to, Uh, it
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  Speaker 7: creates some issues. It created you lose that sharpness, you
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  Speaker 7: lose the ticke of velo you do, you lose your
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  Speaker 7: ability to locate as well.
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  Speaker 2: Every pitch becomes a little more strenuous.
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  Speaker 7: And you know you've seen him at times fighting his delivery.
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  Speaker 7: I guess you'd say, you know, trying to get a
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  Speaker 7: little extra out of it, you know, maybe falling off
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  Speaker 7: towards first base, things like that, and you know those things.
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  Speaker 7: When it was arm fatigue was what was said. At first,
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  Speaker 7: it didn't really register because it was you know, the
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  Speaker 7: everything looked kind of okay, but like it was more
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  Speaker 7: like to me, it looked mechanical, like where he's fallen off.
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  Speaker 7: And you know, now hearing that, it makes perfect sense.
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  Speaker 7: You just can't when you when you get down that
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  Speaker 7: slope and it's time to fire that front leg to
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  Speaker 7: post up and rotate, you just can't do it the same.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I've I've had hip things here and there.
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  Speaker 7: I've had knee things. It's I've my arm has never
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  Speaker 7: bugged me too much. Honestly, my entire career. It was
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  Speaker 7: always you know, a foot, an ankle and knee of
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  Speaker 7: this or that, and it works itself up the chain.
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  Speaker 7: And that's you know, when you see guys get injured,
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  Speaker 7: it's because sometimes there's a little naggy injury.
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  Speaker 2: That nobody knew about. You know, I mean.
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  Speaker 7: Literally a hangnail on your toe being sore affects how
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  Speaker 7: you push your foot in the ground.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's as funny as it is.
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  Speaker 7: Were these athletes and were durable and strong, but like
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  Speaker 7: you know, it's the ripple effect that rattles up the chain,
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  Speaker 7: and unfortunately for Joe, it's something that was there at spring.
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  Speaker 7: They seem to have it ironed out, and now it's
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  Speaker 7: you know, we're hitting that mid season, the dead, the
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  Speaker 7: dog days of August.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, It's it's creeping in there.
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  Speaker 7: And at this point, it's kind of a come in
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  Speaker 7: the conversation, like with Byron, is it more worth it
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  Speaker 7: now to take a week off or two weeks off
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  Speaker 7: get right versus trying to pitch through it? And obviously
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  Speaker 7: they have you know, he's going back to get whatever done,
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  Speaker 7: you know, get checked out. But you know it's that
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  Speaker 7: he's even more so than Byron. I'd be willing to
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  Speaker 7: say if he's not right, that every move they just
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  Speaker 7: made kind of is a mood point.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, real quick, Just what was not on the video?
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  Speaker 4: Because I asked two other questions, like almost immediately after that.
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  Speaker 4: The next two questions were is this a mechanical issue
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  Speaker 4: with your delivery? And he said, that's probably part of it.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what's necessarily causing that side of it.
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  Speaker 4: And I said, do you then feel physically as if
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  Speaker 4: you're capable of executing your delivery? And his response was no,
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  Speaker 4: definitely not.
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  Speaker 5: So just kind of says all.
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  Speaker 2: You need to know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, great, not great at all. And Tyler exactly like
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  Speaker 3: this team. The whole blueprints all along as we got
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  Speaker 3: close to the deadline was well, we got some great
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  Speaker 3: got some great top ends starting pitching, and we got
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  Speaker 3: a great offense, and we're going to talk about that
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  Speaker 3: in just a minute. But now, all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 3: both those things are looking like they're non existent or
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  Speaker 3: at least in serious question here the rest of the way.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like, I think the first batter of the
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  Speaker 3: game he had a couple that just sailed way high. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's like already looks off.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I would be interested to see, you know,
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  Speaker 7: do a dive into his like releases, like how far
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  Speaker 7: down the mound he's actually getting as compared to before
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  Speaker 7: the break or opening day, whatever you want to pick.
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  Speaker 7: But I would be willing to bet there's some little
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  Speaker 7: variances in his delivery. And I know the twins they
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  Speaker 7: probably have we talked about before. The camera system in
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  Speaker 7: the field at target field, they can break down everything,
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  Speaker 7: and I guarantee you they the numbers are backing up
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  Speaker 7: what he's saying, you know, and then those bullpens. It's
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  Speaker 7: probably one day where it doesn't bug him quite as
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  Speaker 7: much and he feels fine, you know, and he may
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  Speaker 7: feel great going into these games, and then when he
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  Speaker 7: steps on that throttle, maybe it's just barking at him
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  Speaker 7: a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 7: It's it's hard to trust anything when you're not one
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  Speaker 7: hundred percent, you know.
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  Speaker 2: It's especially with your back. It doesn't you can't just
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  Speaker 2: like walk that off.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of those that it never really goes away.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 7: I've had teammates that it's you go in pregame for
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  Speaker 7: a start, and they're you know, pants down to their knees,
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  Speaker 7: shirt up, and they're just getting plastered with red hot
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  Speaker 7: and atomic bomb you know, everything they can to loosen
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  Speaker 7: some things up, but it's a it's one you got
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  Speaker 7: to get it right because if you don't, it's not
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  Speaker 7: going to go away.
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  Speaker 3: This all right, Two very sad losses, I guess in
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  Speaker 3: Kansas City this week. Obviously we covered Joe Ryan allowed.
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  Speaker 3: It's actually a little telling that my reaction when he
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  Speaker 3: came off the mound was, oh, four runs in five
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  Speaker 3: and a third, That's that's not bad, like, just given
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  Speaker 3: how he had performed the last two times out. But
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  Speaker 3: and then on Wednesday we got the entire suite of
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  Speaker 3: deadline pickups pitch the entire game for the Twins. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Dean Kramer to Tommy Nantz to aj Minter to Jeff Hoffman.
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  Speaker 3: They did fine two runs allowed over the course of
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  Speaker 3: the game, but the Twins offense in both games just
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  Speaker 3: non existent. Two runs on Tuesday and an eight to
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  Speaker 3: two loss. Two to one was the final. On Wednesday,
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  Speaker 3: Twins actually had the lead in the game for the
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  Speaker 3: first time in a while, but in fitting fashion for
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  Speaker 3: this team lately, it came via a double play and
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  Speaker 3: Dean Kramer then couldn't hold the lead, and obviously tough
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  Speaker 3: to ask a pitching staff to hold a one zero lead.
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  Speaker 3: But the offense is gone, starting pitching is in trouble.
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  Speaker 3: It is red alert time. All of a sudden, two
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  Speaker 3: days ago, here we are, they made some moves, they're
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  Speaker 3: making a push, and now we hop back on here
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  Speaker 3: on this Thursday to say, oh boy, I guess the
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  Speaker 3: good news guys is at least they didn't lose any
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  Speaker 3: ground this week, because Chicago and Cleveland also both lost
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  Speaker 3: to nobody wants to win the Central Dan.
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  Speaker 4: It seems yeah, I was, man, why did you have
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  Speaker 4: to say good news? I was gonna ask you, did
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  Speaker 4: you want the good news the bad news, Zach? Because
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  Speaker 4: the good news is tonight's the last time they played
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  Speaker 4: Kansas City.
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  Speaker 5: This yayay man.
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  Speaker 4: That is a weight off their shoulders. They are four
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  Speaker 4: and eight against Kansas City. They were one game above
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  Speaker 4: five hundred against everybody else. They cannot They will not
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  Speaker 4: face Noah Cameron again this season.
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  Speaker 5: That's a double y.
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  Speaker 4: The dover, yeah, or the douver, but no Cameron in particular.
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  Speaker 4: This is a guy that has a five forty era
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  Speaker 4: against everybody else in ninety nine innings and has pitched
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  Speaker 4: four times against the Twins, has pitched twenty seven innings,
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  Speaker 4: has struck out twenty eight batters, and he's allowed two
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  Speaker 4: earned runs. That for those of you who didn't go
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  Speaker 4: to San Diego State at home, that is a zero
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  Speaker 4: point sixty sixth ERA.
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  Speaker 5: Against the Twins. They start him. It's crazy yesterday, I believe.
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  Speaker 4: So the Twins put together that rally in the fourth
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  Speaker 4: inning and Derek Shelton called it to play the game
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  Speaker 4: by Bobby Witz.
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  Speaker 5: The bases are loaded.
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  Speaker 4: You got that great Josh Bell deek on the bass
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  Speaker 4: pass that somehow allows Cody Clemens to be safe on
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  Speaker 4: the play, and then Bell sneaks in and is safe two.
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  Speaker 4: And then Royce Lewis bunts for the bass hit to
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  Speaker 4: load the bases. So basses are loaded. Nobody's out and
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  Speaker 4: Vic Cartini hits one pretty good up the middle and
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  Speaker 4: it looked like it was getting through and Bobby Witt
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  Speaker 4: makes a diving play and easy double play. The Twins
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  Speaker 4: only get the one run out of that at that point.
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  Speaker 4: No Cameron had one strikeout, that is, with ten outs recorded,
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  Speaker 4: he struck out brooks Lee and then he struck out
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  Speaker 4: seven more guys over his next four innings, finished with nine.
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  Speaker 5: And that last the eighth inning.
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  Speaker 4: I think he struck up his side and nobody has
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  Speaker 4: shot like the Twins have seen him four times. They
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  Speaker 4: know what's coming. He adjusted. I think he switched up.
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  Speaker 4: They were saying he justed and when you thought he
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  Speaker 4: was gonna throw his cutter, he was throwing his change
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  Speaker 4: up on and he was gonna be looking like he
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  Speaker 4: was gonna throw his change up.
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  Speaker 5: He's thrown his cutter.
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  Speaker 4: They were a little bit baffled, but lefty pitchers have
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  Speaker 4: dominated them lately, guys that have no names.
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  Speaker 5: Basically in this sport.
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  Speaker 4: We've seen it the A's when they came to town
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  Speaker 4: and left he dominated the Twins.
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  Speaker 5: This offense has scored eighteen runs in sixty or sixty
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  Speaker 5: four runs in eighteen games since the All Star break,
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  Speaker 5: So that's about three point six a game eleven times
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  Speaker 5: where they've scored three or fewer and they've just gone quiet.
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  Speaker 5: And part of that can be Byron Buckston. Obviously he's
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  Speaker 5: missed eleven games, but we're just seeing the rest of
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  Speaker 5: the group that was really consistently picking up guys when
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  Speaker 5: Byron was down not be as consistent and just getting
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  Speaker 5: this group funk right now. And it's very strange to
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  Speaker 5: see because this is a team that has given it,
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  Speaker 5: you know, no game has seemed out of reach most
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  Speaker 5: of the season, and right now they just they're boring.
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  Speaker 5: They're everything like they It's not like they haven't had
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  Speaker 5: good at bats here.
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  Speaker 4: I think they have had some really good at bats
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  Speaker 4: in Kansas City, but the balls are magic.
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  Speaker 2: It's just not there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well, one of the things they've had some
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  Speaker 4: real good luck this year with their opponents playing crappy
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  Speaker 4: defense against them, and Kansas City is catching everything and
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  Speaker 4: making some outstanding plays and that has really hurt Twins.
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  Speaker 3: But what is it with a guy like Noah Cameron
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  Speaker 3: in a situation like that, Is it just just certain
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  Speaker 3: people seem to have it against certain teams.
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  Speaker 2: And he's got good stuff.
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  Speaker 6: I was so.
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  Speaker 7: I played with him actually in Omaha, and he was
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  Speaker 7: He showed up from double A and shoved like first
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: outing in triple A. He's just he's got poise. You know,
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: you watched that whole outing like he had a great night.
• 16:43
  Speaker 7: Wasn't fitst pumping, wasn't doing anything. He was just locked
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: in to do his job, you know, and execute. And
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: that's what I really noticed, especially with him, you know,
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: obviously left handed, everything he just executed where his his spots,
• 16:57
  Speaker 7: you know, he wasn't in the middle of his zone.
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: And and that's where I think our guys have you know,
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: exploited these pitchers, is they start missing over the middle,
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: we get the hits, you know, and then combine combined
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: him spotting up with having an MVP candidate shortstop, you know,
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: Carter Jensen. I think I can't remember if he were
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: Sally was catching last night, but the catcher's there, you know,
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: in Casey, they're you know, they're doing their jobs. And
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: defense is great, you know, it's just one you kind
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: of ran into a quality starter who's not just trying
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: to outstuff you. And I think that's where the Twins
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: that they can do well against the guys that throw
• 17:33
  Speaker 7: hard you know, that throw the hard sliders and things
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: like that. But it's anyone would struggle with a guy
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: who's just executing. And obviously he's got a weird you know,
• 17:42
  Speaker 7: his his splits against everyone else aren't great. But for
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: whatever reason, the Twins make him comfortable and they he
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: makes them uncomfortable. Uh and obviously the tail of the
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: tape there with the numbers, it's it's just it's a
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: weird one. And and now it's probably in their heads
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: at this point. You know, he's on the mound and
• 18:01
  Speaker 7: guys are like, oh god, here we go, you know,
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: all right, sit the curve ball.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: And then he's he's storing change ups.
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: You know, he's mixing and matching, and and that's the
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: hard part of the game. You know, when you're the
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: young guy, you get a free shot because nobody's actually
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: seen you yet. But these now seen them four times
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: this season and they've still yet to get him. So
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: it's just whether it's you know, good luck on him.
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: You know, he's studying the hell out of his scatter
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: reports whatever it like, he's he's got the number right now,
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: and like they're saying, we're all saying, luckily we don't
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: have to see them after today, so you know, we'll
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: see them next year opening day or something.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Three hits in sixteen innings total in the last week
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: off of a.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: Ten ten and twenty seven innings on the season, ten
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: in twenty but that is just he is pitching it
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: cy young levels. Derek Shelton even said he's kind of
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: our nemesis. So yeah, let's let's not talk about Noah
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Cameron anymore.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: That's the end of the NOA camera discussion on this podcast.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: It's indicative of a larger trend for the Twins. Here's
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: the numbers through July eighth. They were scoring four point
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: nine to one runs per game, that was sixth in MLB.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: They were hitting two eighty five with runners in scoring
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: position and eight with an eight to twenty ops. Those
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: were both first in baseball, and hitting two forty seven
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: with two outs and runners in the scoring position, which
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: was eighth in baseball. We talked about it a lot
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: earlier in the season.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Guys, how.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: How those situational moments were so key for them and
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: that's why they were scoring so many runs. Is because
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: they were capitalizing when there were people on the pond,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: and they were They're just so so many times it
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: has felt like I don't have any stats to back
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: it up, but it's felt like so many times during
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: this dry spell, they've gotten that guy on second or
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: third with two outs and just that hit doesn't come,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: and sure enough, we'll go back to the graphic. Since
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: July ninth, and I picked July ninth because they had
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: just finished a four game winning streak, winning the last
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: two in New York in the first two against Cleveland.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Since July ninth, the runs per game have dropped a
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: three point five to four, which is twenty fourth in
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Major League Baseball, down to two thirty eight by almost
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: a fifty point drop. There in their average of runners
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: in scoring position six seventy eight ops and just hitting
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: one seventy nine with two outs and runners in the
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: scoring position. Meanwhile, this has nothing to do with the offense,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: but the thing that we thought was a problem all season,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: the bullpenny ra has gone from twenty ninth in baseball
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: to thirteenth since July ninth. And it's even now even
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: better if you go back a little further than that.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: So it's like, here is this team going into July
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: thinking our offense is set, our top end of the
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: rotation is set, let's go get a bunch of bullpen
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: help and back end rotation help. And now it's almost
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: like completely flip flopped, and they better hope they snap
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: out of this funk in a hurry or that the
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: White Sox and I almost did it too. Guardians just
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: don't don't win again because it's it's not looking good Dan.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: They certainly need to pick it up. And I don't
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: know when Byron Bucks is gonna be back at this point.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: I know he's doing better and feeling healthier, but it's
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: the hip and they know that they have to really
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: knock it out. And you know, they tried before and
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: it came back, so this that led to a shot
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: in the hip this time. And I know he's doing better,
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: but I just I don't think it's gonna be relatively soon.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: So they need other guys to pick it up and
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: do what they were doing before. That's the one thing
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: about this team. This was a collective offense that operated
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: really well and set each other up and trust each
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: other even when Byron is out of lineup to like
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: keep going.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: And you know you mentioned Zach the.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Runners and scoring position numbers there, it just doesn't feel
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: like they've had a lot of runners on well too. Yeah,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Like it just doesn't feel like they've had chances lately.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: And it's been so boring, like really boring for me
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: to be like for me at a game.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: I love going to baseball games. I love watching baseball games.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: It's good.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, if you're a fan of pitching, it's great,
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: and typically I am. But when this team's identity has
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: been built around like consistently passing the baton and two
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: outfits and doing unexpected things, it's.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Just been so dreadfully boring lately. They like, it's just
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: not very fun.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: And you know, you can see why they are five
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: hundred teams five hundred team because five hundred teams they
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: play great for about three days and then they go
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: backwards for about two to four days, and then they
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: repeat and rinse and repeat over and over. It's just
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: And I liked what Ryan Jeffers said there today. He said,
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: you know, we seem to have this phobia of five hundred.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: And like, you know, they got above five hundred with
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: the win in Seattle Friday. They've since lost four in
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: a row and here they are at three hundred. And
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: if they win on Thursday night, they go to Milwaukee,
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: and who knows what they're gonna run into there. The
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: bullpen is certainly in much better shape and capable of
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: handling low scoring games and keeping them in those games
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: Like last night was a great example. Dean Kramer five
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: innings one run. Dean Kramer made a really nice, really
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: nice debut first impression, and then you go and pass
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: the baton to the bullpen and like everybody carried it
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: and AJ Minter leaves one pitch over. He might have
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: gotten screwed because they were out of challenges at that
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: point and his one oh clipped the zone, but Ryan
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: Jeffers had no challenge left to use, so it was
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: a two to oh and he comes to the middle
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: with the cutter and gets hit for a home run
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: and AJ Mintor is left to absorb the loss.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: But really that losses.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: On the offense and this team just needs to pick
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: it up all around. The defense has been solid, the
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: pitching has gotten much better, and like you said, now
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: it's where's the offense. And it's funny they can't match
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: it all up at once, because this team now is
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: capable if all if they're on all so owners, this
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: team is capable of rolling off some really good stretches
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: because they shouldn't have as much uncertainty with the bullpen
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: and the ability to keep games closer and win it
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: with offense.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: The swoon has in the offense, despite that they woke
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: up in the morning July first, forty one and forty six.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: The it's debatable where you want to say the offensive
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: wone started exactly but sometime around early July, and there's
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: still over five hundred since then. Despite despite how terrible
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: it has seemed lately, it's they've they've hung in there.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: It's just a question of are they going to snap
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: out of it? And we joke that we're that Thank
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: god they don't have to play the Royals anymore. But
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: the coming schedule doesn't look very friendly.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Not ideal either.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I guess the good news more good news.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Dean Kramer looked pretty darn solid. One run was its
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: six human five innings, right, yeah, yeah, five travel too.
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: He pitched, Well, you know, they executed like crisp. I mean,
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: everything you want from a guy you just plugged into
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: your rotation. I mean, he you know that the hardest
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: part for a guy like him is settling in with
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: the catching crew. And you know, it seems even postgame
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: he mentioned, you know, got with all of them and
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: had their meetings, and you know that's the the another
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: behind the scenes part.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: You know, these guys get traded.
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: You know, everyone's within each team, their analytics are all different,
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: you know, the way they want to approach things and
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: how they look at numbers, and it's it's become kind
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: of part of the game where you've got to adapt
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: to a team, or depending on who you are, you
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: just kind of put your foot down and say, hey,
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: this is what I'm going to do, which I'm sure,
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: you know a guy he's been around for a bit.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: You got to give his two cents.
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: But you know, to go in to a place like
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: that and you know, get get with Jeffers quick. You know,
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: I guess there's probably a day or so, you know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: to get to know him and execute a game plan.
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: They're thing, look good, look really good.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Tom Polad Twins controlling owner, was in Kansas City this
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: week to talk after the deadline acquisitions of Hoffman and Minter,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: along with Kramer and earlier Tommy Nance, and once again
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: kind of similar to how he and Jeremy Zoel talked
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: about the intent to invest in the team at the deadline,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: he was foreshadowing maybe some similar things in the offseason.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Dan Yeah, he basically said he was gonna be in
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Kansas City regardless if they purchased or they bought players
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: or not. At the trade deadline, right, he wanted to
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: back up what he had said, and if there was
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: a reason to talk to players about a disappointing result,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: he wanted to show his face. And it's something the
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: players have really enjoyed all years, his presence, Like you
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: can see it. Guys talk about it openly, have said
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: it's been a pleasant surprise because he had talked to
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: the game.
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: And now he's backing it up the way he described
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: it was.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: He said, first, he said, I certainly hope this is
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: another small step to earning back the trust of the
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: fan base. But what he went on to say, and
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: what I know he believes, is it's gonna take a
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: lot more steps like this was great. They added eight
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: point five million in payroll, and it was a big
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: deal to do that because the Twins never have done that,
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: and it allowed them to pay down prospect prices on
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: the aj Mintor deal. I believe they give up their
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: twenty first and twenty ninth prospects. Had they not given up,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: had they not paid down the three million three point
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: five million left to AJ Mintor, you look at like
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: somewhere between their eighth and their tenth best prospect going
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: to the Mets instead, So the cash was big and
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: we asked him, Tom Pole, I were like, hey, is
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: it fair to assume that you're you're hoping the payroll
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: will go up and he said, I'm not hoping it
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: will be higher.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: I've been consistent.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Right for us to accomplish the things that we want
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: to accomplish and be a consistently competitive team in the
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: playoffs and going deep, we have to make an investment
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: to this team. We did that in a small way
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: to trade deadline. You'll see more of it next year.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: So look, this is him continuing to say and put
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: himself on record that they are going to be aggressive
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: and spend and do things. And I get when again,
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: I will get skepticism from Twins fans. It's something very
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: new being in the Pole family and you have forty
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: years of backing on it, right, But he is clearly
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: setting himself up to make this team be aggressive and
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: spend and saying that he's going to do these things.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: And you know, I feel like that that says a
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: lot because he's he knows where you call him out
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: on it if he doesn't, and he's making promises, and
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: I think that's a like Zach, you were talking about it.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: What do you think of the way he is kind
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: of doing this approaching it?
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Was I talking about it. I think it was the
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: time for the solo cam for me. Okay, here we go.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah so soapbox.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go. I don't I don't blame anybody
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: for I'll believe it when I see it. And Tyler,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: I want to I want you to explain your somewhat
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: cynical view of what those comments could mean in a minute.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: But yeah, look, I.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Am of the camp that it's good that they tried
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: at the deadline. I think that even if these moves
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: go nowhere, even if the team goes nowhere, I guess
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: I should say they tried. They did something. I think
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Tyler like it matters for the clubhouse at least that
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: you know they saw their team added to and not
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: torn apart. Even if they don't end up delivering it
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: certainly would be a bummer if they can't make a
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: playoff push, and would lead to some questions about whether
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: it was all worth it, et cetera. But the real
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: test comes in the off season, and I think you've
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: got to You've got to find people that want to
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: play here. It's not always easy to do because usually
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: the good free agents have options.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: In that regard.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: There's also the lockout looming, so who the heck knows
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: what that's all going to look like. But yeah, I
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: think it was reasonable to say he didn't have much
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: time to do stuff in the off season last year.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: It was reasonable not to make a bigger push at
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: the trade deadline this year, given the team is not,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: you know, beaten doors off. But if you really want
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: to make the team better, the best time to do
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: that and make a meaningful investment. It's coming up, and
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: he's he's setting the table and we'll certainly see what
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: gets done. Tyler.
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and we were, we were, we were joking about it,
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: but it's the truth as well. Like he said what
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: he said, we're going to spend you know, there's more
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: money coming things like that.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: A big chunk of that.
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: Whether he likes it or not, is going to come
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: from a lot of arbitration cases that are coming. Whenever
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: those get to happen, you know, obviously the CBA ends
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: in December. I think that they may be able to
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: exchange things prior, you know, but nobody settles until after then.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Anyway, so that'll be interesting one.
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: But Jeffers is gonna get the qualifying offer that's twenty
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: plus million. You know, Joe Ryan's still here, you know, uh,
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: I believe Hoffman is still in free arbitration. You've got Larnik,
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: You've got I mean, the list is I think it's
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: like eight or nine deep of guys.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Royce is on there.
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: You're gonna pay a lot of guys a lot of money,
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: so that payroll before they go sign a single free
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: agent is gonna jump. And so he's not wrong in
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: saying that we are going to spend more money next
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: year period, you know, unless they just let all those
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: guys walk the non tender them.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: But you know you're not gonna do that.
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: But all jokes aside, like it is, it's gonna be
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: a significant jump to keep some good big leaguers and
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: then you're gonna have to you know, that twenty three
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: ish I think is a projected number for the qualifying
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: offer that Jeffers will definitely be offered from Minnesota, and
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: then whatever free agent you get, you know, that's probably
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: going to be a starting point for an annual value.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just the game's getting more expensive.
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: And that's part of owning a franchise, and you know,
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: everything makes money, it's just you.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Got to kind of spin it to make it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: And he said he had a line during those comments about, uh,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: you know, on behalf of the organization, I think we've
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: earned some credibility, and there was there was like a
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: tinge of like feistiness in the voice because I'm sure
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: he's hearing it. You know, he's not like he's not
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: blind or deaf.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: He's got a burner account somewhere. Yeah, he's he's he's.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: He's well aware what's of what the what the fan
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: response is. And part of that is because we've been
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: here before. Like when target Field opened, they raised the payroll,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: still not like top tier, but they raised it for sure,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: and then when the momentum from that died off, they
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: went back the other direction. They paid to bring in
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Carlos Korea when that died off if they went the
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: other direction. So I think it's sort of this stuck
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: in a loop feeling, and that's not Tom Poulad's fault,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: and maybe he will snap them out of that and
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: convince everybody that bigger spending.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Is the way to go.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: But but I also kind of understand like his his like,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: so far he's done what he said he's going to do,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: it's maybe been underwhelming. I mean, we'll see how the
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: next forty games go. But that's and you started this
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: conversation saying that Dan, if if he's going to set
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: the table and get it done, great and if not,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: then we will have plenty to say about it. But
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: even if, even if the payroll does take a jump
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: next year, like I hate to break it to you, Tom,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: but expect to continue to hear. Yeah, we'll see how
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: long he lasts.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Is going to spend money too?
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: Right, Well, and here's the thing on I think that
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: with Ryan Jeffers that really showed up because the Twins
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: kept him. And look, if he falls flat on his
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: face numbers wise the rest of the way, they're not
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: going to.
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  Speaker 5: Offer him the qualifying offer. Right if he had zero
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: the rest of the way and his average suck, they
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: will not offer him the qualifying offer.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: But what they did was they went into this Ryan
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Jeffers could have gotten them a nice, healthy return. They
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: know that there were teams still calling to check. And
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: even though the Twins were saying, we're not selling teams
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: as some of the guys in the front office suggested,
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: did their due diligence and just made sure the Twins
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: were really going to do what they said they were.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: So Ryan Jeffers' offers continue to pour in, and the
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Twins could have gotten a very nice return, but they
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: knew that they could make Like this was Jeremy's oll,
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: knowing that if he wants to, he has the ability
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: to make the qualifying offer to Ryan Jeffers and get
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: a pick back with the risk that if Ryan Jeffers
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: market didn't materialize, the Twins would have to sign him
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: to a one year, twenty three million dollar deal or
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: whatever it's going to be. I think knowing that allows
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: you to operate the way you're supposed to. And the
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Twins saying, Okay, we get two months of Ryan Jeffers,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: we don't want to break this group up.
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: Plus we get a qualifying offer pick.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: We get the comp pick if he goes elsewhere in
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: the free agency, and that pick usually falls right after
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: the end of the first round, and the Twins, you know,
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: that's that's a good spot to be. That's a nice
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: spot to get some good value and picks right there.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: So clearly they were, they knew they had the back end,
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: and that's helped them operate. And I think that's key
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: and we'll see how it goes. But I mean, like
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: this was the first chance, and he gave them a
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: lot of money. I mean, we're talking about eight point
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: five million for a team that had one hundred.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: And one million dollar payroll or whatever it was.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: So it's a pretty significant chunk and teams. I'm sure
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: it cut some teams around leagues off guard that the
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Twins were not offering better prospects to avoid paying salary
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: and instead offering more like helping them save money. And like,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: it's funny that Steve Cohen and the Mets offloaded salary
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: to the Little Twins. So it was it was definitely
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: sort of a different.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Dynamic the Mets, who remained the cautionary tale about spending
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: money in Benjor League Baseball.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I meant to I'll still buy the franchise.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: No kidding, I meant to bring this up on our
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: post deadline show, but I was I was happy Trevor
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Larnick stuck around because I realized the other day, Dan
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: that he was the first draft pick that you and
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: I covered together when you joined the athletic in twenty eighteen.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: Hey man, Ryan Jeffers, Oh that's yeah, yeah, yeah. I
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: was in my Airbnb in the Wedge area of in
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: between the near Uptown when I covered that draft. I
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: remember exactly where I was because it was this crappy
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: little airbnb that was back in the airbnb days when
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: I was doing that for my commute.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Well up next, buckle up, because there's one more game
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: in Kansas City, which we're never going to speak of.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: We will, we will dedicate zero point zero percent of
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Monday show to to Oh that's not right at all.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: There we go.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: That was an old.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Please God, no more, there we go. I don't know
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: if that's better or not.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Bailey over against Michael Waka to finish it off, and
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: then a weekend in Milwaukee against the Brewers. Are they
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: tops in the whole National League right now?
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Are we getting the miz we.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Are Zewski on Sunday that was supposed to be in
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: the Joe Joe Ryan game but that's not happening. Connor
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Prelip against Change Rowan on Friday, and Taj Bradley against
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Robert Gasser on Saturday. Things could go off the rails
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: pretty quick. Or I also like sports has away fun. Yeah,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: sports has a way.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Of being funny fun. Maybe this is the.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Weekend they figure it out, Tyler, who knows.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the place is fun to play in Milwaukee. It's
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: you know, good crowds. One of those the.
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: Fans show up and they just get going and the
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: beers are flowing, the barrels are rolling, you know, all
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: the good things.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Milwaukee is leading the National League seventy one and forty three.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they were first to seventy I'm not mistaken.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're the only ones there at the moment, Dan,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: are you gonna be there?
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: I will be there for Sunday. It looks like I
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: want to take some days off. This is my today
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: will be my tenth straight day.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: I'm tired. I want to go home.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: All right, Well.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: That's our pay.
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: Hey, I've seen the spread you get up there, don't
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: actually right?
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's great, sir.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: We don't fly charters direct to the game. We don't
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: have them roll. Listen in wheelchairs everywhere. If you're like, sir,
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: would you like to go get a breakfast, And they're like,
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: they roll a wheelchair to your door and.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: You just like you, guys. The massus is on you
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: up and down the stairs.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Oh lord, all right, well let's get Dan some days off.
• 39:22
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• 39:24
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• 39:27
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• 39:39
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• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Bye bye,