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"The Man with 9 Lives: The Joseph De Gregorio Story” · Nightmare Success In and Out

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What happens when your worst fear becomes your reality?
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Hi, I'm Brent Cassidy, welcome to the Nightmare Success In and
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So who are we talking to today? Well, I have a have a guest on
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here that was he was a Wall Street trader.
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He's a transplant liver survivor, federal defendant and
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a mitigation specialist consultant.
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So it's Joseph and I, I said that I was probably going to get
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this wrong. De Grario, say it again.
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Say it, former Joseph. De Gregorio.
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De Gregorio. De Gregorio, I'll probably only
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say that once from now that we've gotten it out there, but
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it's got a interesting history of talks about that.
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He spent 24 years on on Wall Street as a trader.
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After the market crashed, he spiralled.
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By 2016, seventeen, he was drinking heavily.
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And during that period, he began committing his crimes.
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July of 2020, at the height of COVID in Manhattan, he received
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a life saving liver transplant despite not ever being on the
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transplant list. The moment changed everything
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for him. Just as he was leaving, as you
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would suspect, the hospital the Securities Exchange Commission
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called as it all unraveled. He was charged with one count of
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securities fraud and one count of wire fraud.
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But interestingly, and this is one of the things I'm interested
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in talking to you about, is plea deal carried a 41 to 51 month
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guideline sentence. And he started tirelessly
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working on mitigation strategies that lots of times lawyers just
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don't know much about. And when the sentencing came
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down, the result was pretty extraordinary.
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You received only a year and a day, which was a 75% reduction
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and even more, he served only 25% of that sentence before
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release. He is now the founder of JN
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Advisors, a full service federal sentencing mitigation firm,
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helping out white collar federal defendants and really being able
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to be the guy that's walk the walk, talk to talk and helping
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rule of law. Joseph, welcome in, my man.
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How are you? How are you doing?
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And thank you for helping me out with your name.
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Thank you kindly for the invitation.
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So we were just talking before this and I didn't realize once
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you had gotten sentenced in prison that you got sick from
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the liver transplant, which you and I shared.
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My dad went through some, not a liver transplant with Septus,
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but Joseph, you went through a lot and and you made it out on
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the other side, which is a lot of what this show is about.
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Can you take us back a little bit?
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Where did you grow up as little Joseph?
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What was life like? Mom, dad, siblings?
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Where did all that take place? Sure I was born in in Brooklyn,
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NY in Bensonhurst on 15th Ave. and 71st St.
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Went to Catholic school, a lady of Guadalupe right across the
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street from my house. The church was right across the
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street and I played baseball growing up, collected baseball
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cards. You would find me getting the
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monthly Beckett price guide as soon as it comes out.
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So I would come home and price my baseball cards.
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And I saw the similarities when my dad was looking at The Sunday
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Times and he was looking at his Con Ed stock and I was checking
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my cards next to him. And then he said, you know,
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look, this is the same thing you're you're looking at.
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You know how much your Don Mattingly went up this month and
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you know, I'm I'm looking at. So I always wanted to work in
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finance and then. Like, how old would you have
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been when you thought you were looking at that?
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Like how old of a kid? Because it's always interesting
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to me when when somebody kind of just gets obsessed with the
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market and sometimes it's at a really young age.
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It started out when I was 12, but then when it really kicked
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in midway through high school is seeing so many people buying
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their parents houses, who worked on Wall Street, who's driving a
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Ferrari. And you know, you see all of
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this tangible that you can see that these people are doing it.
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And I went to work right after high school at a firm Co called
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for bunch of years. I was doing roofing and siding
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on the time I was doing odds and ends with other things and in
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construction. But then in 2000, I went to take
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my Series 7 and series 63. I passed it.
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And then I had to rebuild a book from scratch, which I did.
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I started at U.S. Securities and Futures on 100
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Wall Street. They were the third biggest
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futures firm at the time. And yeah, I was in the office
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dialing 2 phones making $600 a day from 7:00 AM to 10:30 and
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built. That teaches you a lot, doesn't
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it? Making cold calls.
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It does. It does and and.
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So you, so you, you didn't you miss the whole college route,
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the, the where everybody gets four years older and and you
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know their their life and you, you're on Wall Street.
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Yeah, I was the youngest to get the series 7 and I passed it in
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six weeks. The series 7 when other guys who
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was taking them 6-7 months. I'm, I'm good at studying,
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especially cramming and went through the, the, the, the 2001,
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what happened at 911 down there? And then in 2003 when there was
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a lot of confidence taken out of the market with the, with, with
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the Enron and the Ken Lays and the Kozlowski's from Tycho.
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And, and then we, we in 2007, I saw because I always watch the
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credit and bond markets first, because that's what predicates
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what's going to happen into the stock market.
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And I saw red flashes everywhere, you know, in 2007.
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But I had clients in Fannie Mae, which was AAA rated by Moody's
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to the end. It was a, it was over 5%
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dividend at clients in Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, which
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was 158 year old institution. If you would have told me that
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was going out of business, I wouldn't have believed you.
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And sure enough, by August of 2008, all three of them did.
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I had just about a $50 million book that got decimated from
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September of O8 to March of O9. What was that like?
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What I mean when you talk about something like that, Joseph, you
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know, living through that, seeing the impossible happen
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with Lehman Brothers and people that are closing down, what was
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going through your mind? It was surreal.
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The owner of the firm that I was working at the time on 40 Wall
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Street killed himself. And you know, I'm certainly
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wasn't, you know, even that wasn't a thought.
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I was just worried about my clients.
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I was on the phone with all of them non-stop.
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I stayed at the office till 1130 in the in in the morning.
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But mostly all my clients knew. I didn't intentionally want to
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lose the money with these, with all these companies, But there
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was a time like around Thanksgiving of 2008 where all
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these contingency lawyers started sending out notices to
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investors saying, hey, you lost money in the market, we'll take
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on your case, I'll get your money.
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So I had three arbitrations, and that was one for Lehman
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Brothers, one for Fannie Mae and one for Bear Stearns.
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And so that was in 2009. I settled with all them.
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I paid them all in full in in 2011 and that's when I began to
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really drink. OK, so that's 2011.
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So that's, you know, you, you basically walk into Wall Street
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around 2000, 2001, 2011. You have lived through the crash
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personally. Are you married?
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Do you have kids? Like, where are you in that
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world? Not married, didn't have kids, I
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oversaw 8 guys on the company trading floor and I was managing
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my own clients assets. So you were just a guy that was
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grinding it out, making good money and and then 2011 happens.
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What's the next step? It was really disheartening at
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that point when I settled with all of them, and at that point I
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was 35 years old. Yeah, young guy I.
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I was born in 76. So I started, you know, we
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would, we would go out for dinner, you know, us traders and
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I would start to, you know, drink a little more and little
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more. And then by 2015, I didn't
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realize it because I was coming into the firm wearing a suit
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functional. I was talking to people all day
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on the phone. You know, it was not until my
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body started to show changes. I was, I started becoming very
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yellowed. My legs blew up.
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My feet blew up to the point where I couldn't wear dress
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shoes anymore. I would get these tremendous
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pains in my stomach. And in 2016 I went to work at a
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private equity firm and I moved my business over there because
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they had all these IP OS. We had the Palantir IPO, pre
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IPO, actually at $8, Airbnb, Lyft.
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So I said, you know, let me get out of trading, you know, the
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securities in and out all day and let me put them in these
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investments to let it sit there grow in a couple of years
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they'll all come public. But I was so passed to the point
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and I was lying to everyone. I was lying to everyone.
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And then I. What When you say you were lying
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to everyone? You were lying about the
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drinking or you're just lying? What is it?
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What is it All? Yeah, well.
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I was, I was lying about the drinking, you know, it came to
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the point where it was, you know, you, you couldn't mask
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that at that point. And what happened was, is I
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started to rationalize a crime in my head.
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I said, you know, after Palantir went public and a lot of clients
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sold it in the 30s from $8. I, you know, did what I did to 4
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victims. I created 4 victims that I wake
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up with a pain in my stomach every day that it doesn't go
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away what I did. They're always in the forefront
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of my mind. And but I wasn't, I wasn't
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sober. I mean, I was far from sober in
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2018 and in 2019 and it went, it got to the point Brent, where I
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didn't even want to go see doctors and then.
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That's what I was going to ask you, Joseph, when you said that
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you started turning kind of a yellow color.
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You had bad circulation. You could your, your legs are
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swelling up. Did you go to the doctor?
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Did they did they diagnose you in some form or fashion of what
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was wrong with you in that early stage?
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They did so they, I didn't want to go for blood tests.
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And when I went to go see one of my doctors, he forced me to go
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to the hospital to get blood. And when I, when I, when I, when
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I went there, they wanted, you know, to, for me to get admitted
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and to go into this detox program.
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I told them I'm OK. And that was January of 2023.
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Months later when the COVID protocols when placed in
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Manhattan and you couldn't go to a hospital unless it was COVID
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related, I got rushed to. In June of 2020, I got rushed to
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Columbia, NY Presbyterian Hospital.
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And if anybody remembers, you know, basically March 17th of
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2020, the world shut down in that time period in June, the
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world was still shut down when you were getting rushed into the
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basically the epicenter of all the bad stuff of COVID going on
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in New York. What was going on with that
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hospital? We could have 4 episodes and we
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wouldn't cover it. And what I saw and, you know, so
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they, they stay put two hoses on each side of my stomach when I
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got there and it was just draining out buckets of bile and
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they had me detoxing. And they said to me in the first
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week of July, they said, you know, you're going to need a
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liver transplant, otherwise you're not going to make it out
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of here. And I was like 510% cognant at
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the time. It got to the point where I
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drank myself into a coma. And what really caused that was
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after I did my crime, that's when the drinking got to the
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point where because now I'm thinking what I've done, look at
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what you look at what you're doing.
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And you know your your I was this complete Jekyll and Hyde.
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I was in the thralls of of my huckabolism at that point.
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And then being in the hospital and hearing I I need a liver.
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I was never on the list. And July 21st of 2020 we did the
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liver transplant. The liver they gave me had COVID
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in it. When I woke up in ICU, I was in
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a glass room and they immediately started me with
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remdesivir, convalescent plasma treatments, high, high via
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steroids. I had 106.8 fever.
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It wasn't going away. The COVID wasn't stopping.
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So they had to put me on a ventilator.
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Wow. And I remember everyone around
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me in the ICU was, everyone was on ventilators and all I saw
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Brett was white sheets being pulled over and, and I said, you
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know, I'm I'm never going to make it out.
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Right. Well, I mean, I, I can't
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imagine. First of all, you had to have
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been really surprised that you got a liver right That but to to
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have a liver that had COVID, you get on the how long were you on
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the ventilator? The first time it was 10 days.
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And then soon as I woke up from that, when when I'm in this
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classroom in ICU, the nurses saw me.
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They come running in to pull everything out and then vacuum
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up my insides. Within 12 hours, I felt both of
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my lungs like an accordion just collapse.
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And they put me on the ventilator again for 8 days and
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they weren't expecting me to get up from that.
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And I did. And when I woke up, there was
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actually a priest in front of me and I had septic shock, you
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know, liver reject my my body rejected the liver right away.
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There was so many, so many things going on.
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I didn't even know it at the time until I was discharged.
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Everything that happened to me when I saw my hospital records.
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So five years ago today, I was in ICU.
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So when I made it to the transplant floor Columbia in
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September of 2020, it was it was beautiful.
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It was, you know, I was a few doors down from Bill Clinton's
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designated room. You know, the nurses were so
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nice. You know, you, it was just a
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completely, but still not all there.
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You're on so many medications. I had to learn how to walk again
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because I was laying in bed for four months straight and the
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atrophy, I couldn't believe I couldn't walk.
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And then as as soon as I got out of the hospital and I.
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But Joseph, you, the liver, the your body eventually accepted
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the liver. Is that how this worked 'cause
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it did OK? They stopped the rejection,
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that's why they kept me in ICU for a month and 1/2.
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Wow. OK, so your body finally accepts
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this liver. You go through what a lot of
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people died, Septus, you know, ventilator, COVID, the whole
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thing. You've made it all the way
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through and now it's in September.
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This started back in June. What happens next?
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When I get out of the hospital, I get a phone call, and it's
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Monsignor Jeff Conway of my church who married me and my
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wife. My family's been going there for
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decades. And he says, Joe, I want you to
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come to the church rectory at 5:00 PM and had dinner with me
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on Thursday and then we're going to go down to A7 PMAA meeting.
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So I couldn't drive at that point.
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I still had my Walker. So he says when you can or if
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you can have someone bring you here, which I did.
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And I would have dinner come come to find out I didn't know
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Monsignor Jeff was a big figurehead in New York City with
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a a he saved hundreds of lives 43 years sober.
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I had no idea. And I will had dinner with him
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and 2-3 other long term sobriety people, 36 years, 31 years.
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And then we would go downstairs for the meeting, go back
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upstairs. I would read the big book with
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with Monsignor Jeff and then I did my steps with him.
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And then within just a few months of going there, because
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now I'm out of the hospital and I'm sober for the first time in
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years, I said to him what I did. I said, father, you know, I got
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to talk to you. It was just me and him.
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After the meeting, we're upstairs.
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We read the big book. You know, we were we were just
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me and him. And I said, you know, I can't
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believe what what I've done. This is what what I what I did
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to four clients and Brent within two days, like it was I get a
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phone call after that night telling him I get a phone call
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from the Securities and Exchange Commission wanting to speak with
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me. And I they said, is this Joseph
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D Gregorio? I said, yes.
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They said we'd like to speak with you.
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I said, would it be OK if I give you guys a call back in the next
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day or two? They said sure.
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I took down his name and number. I felt, I felt relieved and but
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now I knew what I was going to go through.
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When I started becoming a student of the process, very
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early on in my case, I went into Manhattan, hired my attorney,
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Nicholas Kaiser, tremendous lawyer, and I told him, I said,
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Nicholas, this is what I did. This is how I did it.
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I was the only one involved with my crime.
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I had no Co defendants. The firm that I was working for
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at the time, they had no idea what I did.
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You know, there wasn't any cooperation agreement or
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anything like that. I told my lawyer, listen, I
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don't want to, you know, call the SEC, please call them and
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tell them that I want to fall on the sword.
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I own what I did. I just, I don't want to give
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them the runaround. I've been waiting for this call.
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You know, I have a second chance at life here.
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I'm on borrowed time. Just please, just so my lawyer
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said OK, that was May of 2021. And he really did have to think
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after going through all that, when he really probably weren't
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supposed to survive in any of these categories.
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That would give you a whole new perspective on life, even though
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you were looking at the great unknown of dealing with the
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federal system. But here's the thing, Brent,
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when the SEC called me, I said, you know, watch out.
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There's people in ICU that they wish they have your problem.
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They wish they could go to prison for four or five years
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and just to be alive, just to make it out of there alive, no
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matter how crazy that may seem. Like to this day, every day I
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wake up and I and I think of being in ICU for six weeks and
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I'm endlessly grateful. The pain never leaves the core
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in me of what I've done, how I destroyed lives.
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I, I created victims and broke trust and these were long term
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clients of mine. And so I started studying the
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federal system. The first thing I started doing
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was studying federal judges. And when I started reading about
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how to, you know, not just to get leniency and mercy, but what
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the process was going to look like and what I was going to go
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through, you know, I started hearing federal judges like
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Benita Pearson's. She said, I expect the defendant
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to take their case as a full time job and to come into
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sentencing exhausted. That resonated with me early.
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Then I heard other big two big prominent federal judges.
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They said, you know, we only take 10% into account what the
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lawyer says. We know they're paid mouthpieces
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for the defendant. It's what the defendant shows
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us. So I had to focus on what I had
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control over, what I had control over.
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So in the beginning, you think about prison, but then I said to
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myself, Joe, just look down. Focus on every day.
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Look at the immediate steps in front of you.
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Maximize every day. So I got a job at Amazon 6:00 PM
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to 6:00 AM on a forklift stowing pallets.
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My transplant team was not happy about that.
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I got a job at at a golf course as a golf Ranger getting $15.00
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an hour 1965 at Amazon. I was doing a lot of
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volunteering in the evening and then I come home, 930 take 1/2
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hour to myself and then 10 PMI get on the computer and I was
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just taking certifications, just taking course, half the course
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until 2:00 AM. And I was documenting everything
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that I did. I bought my personal domain, you
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know, because I wanted the judge to know as much about me as
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possible and not just what he or she would see on paper.
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And a couple of weeks after that call, I'm sitting here.
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I called my lawyer. I said, Nicholas, I'm going to,
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I have things that I purchased with I'll gotten gains.
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They don't belong to me. I said, you know, I want to
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bring, I want to belong to the victims.
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So he said, OK, bring it up to my office.
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So I said, OK, give me a couple of days, I'll gather everything.
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I'll bring it up and everything and anything that I had, I
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brought up stacks of cash, stacks of $10,000 cash wrapped.
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I brought up silver kilo bars, all my gold coins, crypto in
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digital cold storage wallets, I mean, watches, jewelry.
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And I, I got to my, my lawyer's office and I, we were up there
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for like 6-7 hours making a list of everything and, and, and
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assessed valuation. And they had like this walk in
26:31
safe in their closet in the law firm.
26:33
I said, what are you going to do with it?
26:34
He said, I'm going to call, you know, if someone from the
26:37
government, they'll come and pick it up.
26:38
I said, OK, so that was, that was June of 2021.
26:45
I didn't get a plea deal until December of 21.
26:50
So when I came forward in May of 2021 with the SEC, it took seven
26:55
months to refer it over to the DOJ as a criminal matter.
26:59
And then I remember everything like yesterday.
27:03
Now, December 27th, 2021, one count of securities fraud, one
27:08
count of wire fraud. It was originally a level 25
27:13
point offense. A -, 3 points for acceptance of
27:17
responsibility, so 22 points on the sentencing guideline charts
27:22
was 41 to 51 months. I didn't disagree with anything
27:25
in the plea deal. I signed it right away.
27:27
They had it back first week in January, the US Attorney of
27:31
2022. Then I plead guilty in March of
27:36
March 1st of 2022. My case was out of the Eastern
27:40
District of New York, which is in Brooklyn, Southern Manhattan.
27:45
And then March 30th is when I had my pre sentence interview
27:48
and I was preparing for this even before I pled guilty, you
27:53
know, I knew I started studying the importance of the pre
27:56
sentence interview and I was on mine for about two which.
28:01
By the way, for those you know, listening down the Cayman
28:03
Islands, the pre sentencing report is the thing that follows
28:07
you all the way through, you know, to your case manager.
28:11
And after when you get out, it's it's your document of who they
28:16
say you are. And so many people don't have
28:20
any idea and a lot of attorneys don't really say, well, it's not
28:24
a big day. Just go down an interview.
28:25
It is a huge deal. Recent reports called PSRPSI.
28:29
It's it's a huge deal. Absolutely.
28:33
Call it our Bible in prison because all they do is reference
28:36
it. Every single stakeholder just
28:38
references that. And then also the judge only has
28:41
two documents that sentencing, the sentencing memorandum and
28:44
the PSR. So when I was on my PSI and he
28:49
went through his questions for the 1st 20 minutes, half hour,
28:54
two days before that, I sent my lawyer a 4035 hundred word
29:01
letter to the judge and I wrote it from the heart.
29:06
My heart literally pushed a pen. Brent and I, I just kept writing
29:11
until I stopped and I emailed my lawyer and I called my lawyer a
29:16
couple of days before the PSI, March 28th, I called him, it was
29:22
March 30th, my PSI of 2022. And I told Nicholas, can you
29:26
please e-mail that interviewing officer?
29:28
This letter that I wrote for the judge, I, I would really
29:33
sincerely appreciate it if not only he can read it ahead of the
29:36
interview, but if he could kindly fully attach it to the
29:40
report that gets created from the interview.
29:42
And he agreed. The probation officer, I thanked
29:45
him. We, you know, we started off
29:47
after he was done. I said, would it be OK if I
29:50
speak? And I had all my talking points,
29:52
you know, already, you know, always putting, you know, the
29:56
victims first. And you know, that acceptance of
29:58
responsibility, the remorse, the humility, the shame, the lessons
30:03
learned, your plan going forward, why you'll never be in
30:05
another courtroom again. This is all very important to
30:08
express during during that interview, you know, you have
30:11
one bite at the apple. You're indirectly speaking to
30:14
the judge. Everything I say becomes a
30:16
matter of record. Then the officer is going to
30:18
give that recommendation to the judge.
30:20
They're going to say, do you think he was really remorseful
30:24
or was it a performative remorseful?
30:28
You know, so it's all it's, it's very, it's, it's a big deal.
30:32
I viewed every part of of me going through my case as a big
30:35
deal and I was, I had it in my head that I was looking at 41 to
30:42
51 years. I, I said, no, Joe, you're not
30:45
looking at, you know, four years.
30:48
And that makes me that made me like, you know, push the, the
30:52
pedal floor the gas pedal, do 160 miles an hour into
30:55
sentencing have no regret versus preparation.
30:59
And I wanted to leave it all out there.
31:01
And if I were to get 41 to 51 months, so be it.
31:04
I did something and I, I, I believe in justice.
31:07
It's people do something wrong in life.
31:10
I, I believe, you know, you should be held to account.
31:14
I think that's one thing actually in this world is
31:16
missing is empathy and accountability right now.
31:19
So then I was sentenced September 14th of 2022 and I was
31:28
sentenced to a year and a day and.
31:32
Well, take me through that. How did you feel?
31:34
Because you want to walk in that room.
31:36
You have no idea, you know what the guidelines were when the
31:40
judge came down with that sentence.
31:43
What? What in the world went through
31:44
your mind? Well, when I was working on the
31:50
sentencing memorandum with my lawyer, and I recommend anyone,
31:54
don't leave that up to your lawyer.
31:55
Be proactive. I was in the middle of
31:57
everything with my lawyer. I was actually in the driver's
32:00
seat and he was in shotgun and I, and I hired him on that
32:03
basis. I said, listen, I'm going to be
32:05
in control of my case and you know, I'm going to tell you
32:08
things that I want done that it's going to be very unorthodox
32:11
for you and you're not used to it.
32:13
But, and that's why I hired Nicholas.
32:16
He was all on board with incorporating all this stuff.
32:20
He really didn't know. And when I was doing my
32:24
sentencing memorandum, we submitted it about 5 weeks
32:29
before sentencing. And you as a defendant, you get
32:33
the right to read the government sentencing memorandum that they
32:37
submit. And it was, it was a page and
32:41
1/2 that they submitted to the judge.
32:44
So when my lawyer sent it to me, he said read it, call me back.
32:49
I read it like 7-8 times. I called him, I said this is I
32:53
don't know, this is the only sentencing memorandum and the
32:56
only one I'm ever going to read. What?
32:58
How is this? He says, well, the first thing
33:01
is, is if it's only a page and a half long, they usually dump on
33:04
the defendant for pages and pages and pages he goes.
33:07
So that's a good sign, He says they commend all your
33:10
rehabilitation efforts. You turn around, your acceptance
33:14
of responsibility. Everything that I did, you know,
33:18
there was, I incorporated this restitution framework into my
33:24
case. I started paying restitution in
33:26
January of 2022, nine months before I was sentenced.
33:31
And that was another thing that I called my lawyer one day,
33:34
Brent, and I said, I told my lawyer, I said, listen, I'm
33:37
going to, I'm going to be sending you like 4 or 500 a
33:40
month and earmark it for restitution.
33:45
If you can put it in escrow, earmark it for restitution.
33:48
I said, and next time you're speaking to the US Attorney or
33:51
whoever about my case, nonchalantly bring it up to
33:54
them, say, oh, by the way, my client, Di Gregorio, he's paying
33:57
restitution. He's not waiting before it's
33:59
imposed on that sentencing. He's paying now and I'm holding
34:03
it in house in our in our account.
34:06
So first, you know, he said, you know, just hold on to it.
34:10
You know it, it's not going to make a difference.
34:12
I said, no, listen, I said the judge knows I'm making not even
34:16
4000 a month working at Amazon, working at the golf course.
34:20
If I could send in 1015% of that, it's certainly going to
34:25
help me. It's not going to hurt me.
34:26
So my lawyer said, OK, And then I brought another small check
34:30
with me to sentencing. And I mean, I did a lot, a lot
34:35
of other work too. I mean, I, I breezed by it a
34:38
little too fast, but ultimately I, I had a 7 figure restitution
34:43
going into sentencing, no cooperation agreement and I got
34:49
a year and a day and I started studying immediately.
34:54
How do I get out of prison as quickly as possible right after
34:57
that? So you went in what?
34:59
What was? What was the date that you?
35:01
What was the date that you were supposed to go in?
35:05
So the sentencing was September 14th of 2022.
35:08
I reported to Federal Medical Center Devons November 17th of
35:14
2022. OK.
35:16
For a couple of couple of months in between there, which it's
35:19
kind of like living in purgatory, waiting to see where
35:21
you're going to go. Let's take a break there because
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So Joseph, you, you make it through it all and voluntarily
36:53
surrender to a medical facility, correct?
36:57
That's correct. So walk us through that.
37:02
So walk it in, going in, going through intake.
37:07
Within the hour, they walked me into solitary confinement and it
37:13
was so FMC Devens is an administrative prison.
37:18
It's, you know, all levels of security.
37:19
So it was actually one of the the shoes or the solitaries that
37:25
you see on TV. So when he walks me in, I asked
37:29
him politely. I said can you could just give
37:30
me the two biggest books you have and.
37:33
Smart. And gave me Alexander Hamilton's
37:37
biography, 748 pages. And he gave me maximum
37:41
achievement and he closed the door.
37:46
It was not, you know, not the cleanest.
37:48
The the shower wasn't working. I had a drink through the sink.
37:51
I knew I was going to get sick. And then I, I see that a day
37:58
goes by, you know, and they didn't open the door until
38:02
Thanksgiving, November 24th, not even for an hour a day.
38:06
So one day passes, they didn't give me my medicine.
38:11
Two days passes, they don't give me my medicine.
38:14
Now the guards were sporadically walking around sometimes 3-4
38:18
hours during the day and I would catch them passing by and the
38:22
doors are so thick in in solitary.
38:25
I was banging on the door saying hey listen I just self
38:27
surrendered. I had a liver transplant please
38:30
I just need my immunosuppressants and my anti
38:32
rejection meds you know, you know and the guard says I'm not
38:37
a doctor and he walks away. Next guard says, you know, you
38:42
should have thought of that before coming here and he walks
38:45
away. And then it was at night time at
38:48
the end of day three where this female guard, she heard what I
38:54
said. She and she was she put her ear
38:57
to the door and she was what they didn't give me.
39:00
Are you kidding me? You have a lipid transplant.
39:02
They didn't give you your medicine.
39:03
I said no ma'am, please. And and I just want my medicine,
39:07
that's all. So they finally gave it to me.
39:11
So then when they took me out of the shoe on Thanksgiving.
39:14
After day three, is that without your?
39:16
Medicine and at the night time at day three, yeah.
39:19
OK, so I was already 70. It's past 72 hours of and I take
39:24
it twice a day, 7:00 AM and 7:00 PM right.
39:28
And, and plus I'm drinking out of the sink.
39:32
You know, I have no, I got no immune system at all.
39:37
So. But again, this is something
39:39
that I did. I put myself there and you know,
39:42
the first thing when they close the door and I, I and you lay
39:46
there and solitude, you know, it's, it's a good, you can make
39:51
it a good thing or you can make it a bad thing.
39:53
And I was just thinking about what I've done.
39:58
I just kept thinking about my victims.
40:01
I just kept thinking about what are my victims doing right now?
40:05
The hurt that's in their body, the hurt that I hurt them, I
40:08
broke their trust. And you know, you lay there and
40:10
you and and and and you and so then when they let me open the
40:17
door at Thanksgiving, I go into general population and they
40:21
started taking blood tests from me the day, Friday, the day
40:25
after Thanksgiving. And it was all abnormal labs and
40:32
December 12th of 2022, I wasn't even there a month.
40:37
They rushed me out of the prison and they don't tell you, wait,
40:40
what's what's going on? No, you don't know.
40:42
You're not told anything when you're an inmate.
40:44
No, so I'm in my unit laying on my bunk reading a book and the
40:50
guard says get your jacket, go to the bus stop.
40:53
Now bus stop in the compound is just you're waiting outside the
40:56
lieutenant's office. So I, I, I go there and 22
41:02
guards come out. They sit, come with me.
41:05
I go down to intake, the receiving an intake and they
41:08
start, you know, they took off my uniform with my name on it,
41:12
put a different name. You know, they, they, they
41:14
shackled me and everything and they put me in a van.
41:18
I'm like, you know what, what's going on?
41:20
They said, you're having liver rejection.
41:22
We're bringing you down to Beth Israel Deaconess Hospital in
41:26
Boston. I said, oh, OK.
41:28
And thank goodness. So I get there and, you know, I
41:36
was had two guards by my side and 24 hour shifts, 8 hours
41:40
each, you know, chained to the bed.
41:42
I couldn't call anyone. No one.
41:44
My wife had no idea where I was. I couldn't call her.
41:47
She had no idea. I couldn't, I couldn't get in
41:49
touch with anyone. And I got released December
41:55
29th. I wrote 2 huge pages in the
42:00
nurses to the to the doctors. They saved my life.
42:03
And you know, I wrote endless gratitude letters for them, the
42:08
nurses and the doctors there. I bet there's real deaconess in
42:11
that transplant unit. So they draw me back.
42:15
It was like 11:00 PM on December 29th in the middle of a
42:19
Blizzard. It was, it was.
42:21
It was snowing every other day at Devon's.
42:24
I got to, I got to tell you, Joseph, listening to that being,
42:28
being that sick, being in the hospital, being chained to the
42:32
bed, more or less saving your life again and then going back
42:39
to prison. I can't imagine what a mind buzz
42:42
that is to be walking through all that.
42:46
You really don't think of it. You're just going through it.
42:50
Yeah, you're just going through it.
42:51
And then when they, when they get back to Devon's at 1:00 in
42:55
the morning and again, this the snow that was coming down and
43:01
these guards were driving fast in the van in the snow.
43:06
And so I remember telling them one time, you know, can you, can
43:10
you guys slow down a little bit? They weren't happy with that.
43:16
So they put me back in the shoe because I had a quarantine again
43:20
because I was admitted to the outside hospital and they had
43:23
the BOP, had the protocols in place still.
43:26
So they walk me in and I was like, you know, just please just
43:31
give me my medicine. That's all that I ask.
43:33
Just make sure, please. They're like, we're going to
43:36
make sure, Dee Gregorio, we're going to make sure.
43:40
December 29th, December 30th, New Year's Eve is when I first
43:46
got my medicine. I miss, you know, I miss how
43:50
many and again I'm banging on the door when God's walk gods
43:54
are walking by. Can you please get me my
43:55
medicine? You guys just sent me to Beth
43:58
Israel Deaconess for rejection, please.
44:00
I said I'm a minimum security guy.
44:02
I got a year and a day here, you know, just all I want is my
44:05
medicine. And it was it was all on all of
44:12
fell on deaf ears. And then I asked for the medical
44:17
director and the medical director came in my cell on New
44:21
Year's Eve to take blood from me.
44:24
And she gave me my medicine. And she says I'm going to leave
44:29
this with you. She left the bottles with me
44:32
until January 5th when we're going to get you out.
44:35
And you got to stay in here a week and you got to, you know,
44:38
from the 29th to the 5th, here's your medicine.
44:41
I said thank you so much. Thank you.
44:43
And so that's when I, you know, not only my myself, friend, I
44:51
saw so many people, but the mistreatment there, there were
44:54
no doctors. OK, there, there was one doctor
44:57
at Devon's and he was there three days a week.
45:00
This the, the CE OS became nurses.
45:03
You know, I had acute kidney injury twice.
45:06
I had him walk up to the, the compound from each unit where I
45:10
was to the hospital wing. It's like a quarter mile walk.
45:14
And they had to give me Ivs. They wanted to give me Ivs in my
45:18
wrist right, right here. So one of the guards who was
45:22
playing nurse one night, he gave me the IV here and I was like, I
45:26
was like, Sir, please, that's you got to hit an artery.
45:28
I don't, don't do it there. I've never got an IV there, Sir.
45:32
And he goes, listen to you, Gregorio.
45:34
You get to take it or you got to go back to the hole.
45:36
Which is it? So he he pokes me.
45:40
Blood shooting everywhere. Well, Sir, it's OK.
45:43
Don't worry about. Listen, I'm just going to go
45:44
back to my unit. So he goes, duh.
45:46
Go back to your unit. So, yeah.
45:50
In fact, when I came home, Inspector Horowitz on YouTube
45:56
did an unexpected visit at Devon's.
45:59
Really. And yeah, it's on YouTube.
46:00
And it was so ironic. That's one of the first things
46:02
that I saw when I came home was the unexpected visit with the
46:08
over two dozen violations. You know, they had floods
46:12
everywhere. There was the mold everywhere,
46:14
you know, the vent lungs, it was called.
46:18
But it was not even a veterinarian clinic.
46:21
Brett really wasn't. No.
46:24
And I, yeah, I've you and I shared a little bit before we
46:26
got on about my dad experienced in 2015.
46:31
What they did is they had he, he had a colonoscopy while he was
46:35
in prison and they perforated his colon.
46:37
That caused septic, septic shock.
46:39
And and he kept saying, you know, something's wrong,
46:43
something's wrong. Well, it finally came down to
46:45
where he collapsed and was more or less non coherent.
46:52
And they, they, the, I think there were three or four people
46:56
that carried him up to where the CEO station was.
47:00
And so there's this guy's dying. And that was when they finally,
47:04
and then it was so bad that Mary in hospital couldn't take him.
47:08
And so they, they took a helicopter and he went to Barnes
47:11
hospital, was in a coma for a couple of weeks.
47:15
He ended up surviving. But it's amazing what can happen
47:20
in a situation like that when you know something in prison,
47:26
you just don't want anything medically to go wrong when
47:28
you're when you're an inmate, because anything and everything
47:32
can go wrong when when you're under that care.
47:36
And you're just lucky, Joseph, that you know you were able to
47:41
step by step survive. It's like you survived all these
47:44
different things all the way through.
47:45
It's amazing. Well, I'm again, I'm sorry to
47:49
hear that nightmare you and your family and your dad endured
47:55
because I'm very passionate about healthcare and the BOPI
47:59
now know and anyone that I consult that has health issues,
48:03
I tell them, make sure you bring the medical release form.
48:06
Make sure you bring your HIPAA form.
48:09
You know, there's another thing that people aren't aware of
48:11
unless you're in that situation. So I was also an inmate at
48:15
Leavenworth and I was on a visit with my wife and a the CEO that
48:23
was the visiting cop pulled me aside and he said, Cassidy, can
48:27
you come back here and speak with me?
48:29
And I'm thinking, well, this is behind the red line.
48:31
Why is he allowing an inmate to go back here?
48:33
And he said, I just wanted to tell you that I have a friend of
48:36
mine that's Aceo at Marion. And your dad has been taken to
48:40
Barnes Hospital and he's, they think and believe that he's in a
48:45
coma. But inmates and families are not
48:49
alerted to an inmate's situation unless there's a death.
48:53
And a lot of people don't realize that it's it's very
48:58
primitive on how information is transfer.
49:01
And I would never have known except for the Co that took it
49:06
upon himself to to share that information with me.
49:11
Yeah, they don't. They don't let anyone know until
49:15
the heart stops. Yeah.
49:19
So when you how long? So how long were you in prison,
49:23
Joseph? So I surrender November 17th of
49:25
2022 when I was released March 21st to home confinement.
49:30
OK. So when I, when I surrendered, I
49:33
had a, a blueprint, I had a re entry plan that I created I was
49:37
working on before I even got sentenced.
49:40
And you know, around the 30 day mark when you meet your case
49:43
manager and you have that first team meeting, you know, I, I
49:47
brought it in with me. I sat down, she said what she
49:51
had to say. And then I wanted to present
49:53
this release plan to her. Because to me, it wasn't just a
49:56
mere document. This was like a mindset that I
49:58
embraced. You'd plan it out, Yeah.
50:02
So I asked her, can you politely read this?
50:04
I put a lot of work into this. I know how important it is to
50:07
the BOP, but it's even more so important to me.
50:10
Can you put this in my central file?
50:13
And she scanned it and so she, you know, scanned it.
50:17
He filed, you know, electronic file.
50:20
And I said, you know, I'm going to grow this.
50:21
So I'm going to write a book report after every book that I
50:24
read. I'm going to do a monthly report
50:25
card on myself with classes that I'm taking, what I'm learning in
50:29
the class, etcetera. And and I was handing in book
50:34
reports and handing in the monthly report card.
50:37
And there were there were many people sick in in Devons, even
50:44
in general population. How did you know Joseph to do
50:48
that with the case manager? With the release.
50:53
Plan meaning your to make sure that she scanned that into your
50:57
central file to give yourself a book report and and a status of
51:03
of report card. Are you?
51:06
Where did? Where did that knowledge come
51:08
from? So I didn't know that she was
51:10
going to E scan it up and she was going to do that.
51:13
I thought it was just going to go and like in your file, one of
51:17
these meals. And so I said to her, you know,
51:23
I would like for you to, you know, kindly just, you know, put
51:25
it in my file. And then when I went to her and
51:29
said, listen, I'm eligible to go home.
51:32
Can you please put me in or how does this work?
51:35
Do you need anything from me? And so she says, she says, yeah,
51:39
I could start the paperwork. So from the case manager
51:44
approving your release because we don't just get released from
51:47
prison. I mean, you know, you know how
51:49
it is. The unit manager then approves
51:51
it, the unit managers, the case managers boss.
51:53
Then it goes to the head Lieutenant to make sure we
51:55
didn't have any disciplinary infractions.
51:58
Then it goes to the associate wardens.
52:00
They may be 3 or 4 in each prison.
52:02
They all individually have to sign off on it.
52:06
Then the warden signs off. And it doesn't end there.
52:09
Once the warden signs off your file, actually leaves the prison
52:13
and it goes to the residential re entry management for the rent
52:16
for the RRC. So where I live, it's in the
52:19
Northeast, that Philadelphia residential re entry center
52:23
handles every male and female coming out of a federal prison
52:27
and they do the home inspection and they're the ones who issue
52:30
our release date. So it influences a lot of
52:33
people. And then I gave it to my case
52:37
manager at the halfway house, continued to build it, gave it
52:43
to my probation officer when I started supervised release July
52:47
10th of 23. I still have one year left of
52:50
supervised release. I'm on supervisor release right
52:54
now and I e-mail my probation officer every 90 days with what
53:00
I've done. And the first thing I did when
53:04
when I came home was I started working with prison professors
53:08
and I started working with White Collar Advice.
53:10
Well, when I started working with prison professors, I was
53:12
consulting people going through the federal journey.
53:16
So people started having tremendous outcomes in their
53:19
cases. It's all verified on the
53:21
Trustpilot reviews. But I'm very passionate about
53:24
this. I take this very seriously.
53:26
And everyone that I consulted, you know, I take like it's my
53:32
case. So then from there I went to the
53:35
lead consultant at White Collar Advice and I started.
53:39
So that was, you know, in in September 23 and then that's
53:47
when I joined Columbia University Business School
53:50
justice through code. Someone from Wall Street had
53:54
knew someone who ran this program and he said, you know,
53:58
it's, it's all, you know, all paid for, but you know, you have
54:02
to pass the onboarding process. I never coded before.
54:06
So I went through that. I passed that.
54:09
That led me to a lifetime subscription to Coursera, that
54:14
one that Columbia pays for that I take full advantage of that.
54:18
If you go to my LinkedIn, Joseph D Gregorio have 80 plus
54:22
licenses, specialization certifications, and it's
54:25
actually all for mitigation. Every single one that I took is
54:29
for launch of my company, yes. And then from there I went into
54:35
Defy Ventures this year in February.
54:39
It was 17 week business entrepreneurial tech camp and
54:44
I've. Heard good things about Defy
54:45
Ventures too. And oh.
54:46
They're amazing. And they're and Justin was on
54:49
this show from White Color Advice and but Defy Ventures.
54:54
I've had two or three people that have been on this show that
54:57
were either part of the program or worked after that with them.
55:01
So they've they could, from what I understand, from where the
55:06
people I've talked to, they do good work.
55:08
They're they're. Quite a real service.
55:10
I'm still in it. So the first the first seventeen
55:13
week we ended May 21st of this year and it was pitch night.
55:18
You had a pitcher company and they had all these big prominent
55:21
tech names and volunteers that so my company came in first
55:25
place. I went on pitch night and then
55:27
now I just finished the pre accelerator and now I'm starting
55:32
the accelerator with the five ventures.
55:34
September 8th or the 9th it starts and that's 5-5 months
55:38
it's. Kind of like Shark Tank, right?
55:40
Yeah, yeah. But in the meantime, I'm taking
55:43
3-4 tests at a time on Coursera, like up on the top of my tabs
55:47
now, you know, I have 3-4 classes exams that I'm taking.
55:53
I think I must have took over 1000 and 1000 exams cause each
55:57
certification on Coursera is, I think there's like 10 tests
56:00
within each one. But it's been great.
56:03
I've been passionate about AI, very passionate about, you know,
56:08
bringing something very different that no other company
56:11
is doing in this space. And so it's next generation
56:16
mitigation what I'm doing. Next generation mitigation is
56:20
called JN Advisors. Just advisor.
56:25
Advisor JN Advisor. So how long have you had that
56:30
set up now, since you've done all of this?
56:33
I just set up after I resigned from White Collar Advice in
56:37
June. OK, so it's been been 2-3
56:39
months. Yeah, so I had.
56:42
Wow, You've done a you've done an awful lot, Joseph.
56:46
I mean, you did an awful lot while you were going through
56:48
being, you know, the, the, the federal investigation, the
56:53
indictment and all those different things that you had
56:56
and, and prepared yourself for. And you had the, the nightmarish
57:01
experience of being someone that, that needed medical care
57:05
while you were in prison. But you, you stuck with the fact
57:08
of of staying ahead of the game with your plan and doing the
57:12
right things, getting into the right hands to be able to get
57:15
yourself out of there and then continuing to educate yourself
57:18
once you got out being an expert of what you are talking about
57:23
because you've been through it all.
57:26
You know, redemption's a lifelong commitment to me.
57:29
There's two judges, one in the courtroom and the the biggest 1
57:33
upstairs, upstairs. And I just wanted to do I just
57:36
wanted to do this the right way. I I did wrong for that period of
57:40
time that it wasn't me and this and other people drink the way I
57:45
did and they don't. They didn't do what I did.
57:47
It doesn't excuse me from crossing the line of breaking
57:50
the law. I'm not saying that.
57:53
No, you're lucky that you're alive.
57:55
You you've you've got 9 lives. So how old are you now, Joseph?
58:00
49. OK, 49, so you're getting ready
58:03
to drop over into that 50 category and join us.
58:06
Yes, with with everything that you've gone through this, this
58:12
crazy life experience that you have, what do you think's your
58:15
greatest take away? I mean, all I do, I mean I
58:22
constantly, the victims are at the forefront of my forefront of
58:26
my mind and it's in the core of me.
58:29
And I try to turn that inside out and make it into the biggest
58:35
positive because I'm also on the governance committee for the
58:38
formerly Incarcerated College Graduate Network.
58:42
Yeah, I did. I had Pamela Wynn on here.
58:44
Do you know Pamela? She was one of the founders of
58:47
that early on. Sure, sure.
58:50
Yeah. She she, she's, she's quite, she
58:53
has quite the story herself, who she was pregnant and yes, the
58:58
whole story of her, her episode was 3 or 4 episodes ago.
59:02
And she's just, she's quite an inspiration.
59:04
But I also had Tyler Foster on that's in law school right now.
59:07
That's it's a part of that. So it's it's I'm a big fan of
59:11
that organization. I was just on a zoom with Tyler
59:14
the other night. He's a great guy.
59:16
I just had BBQ with him when he was up in Saint Louis doing Yeah
59:21
Small World stuff. Yeah, yeah.
59:23
And I'm also on the national board of advisors for the PD
59:26
Green program out of Princeton, half hour from my house here.
59:30
That's great. Well, I've I've had them on too.
59:34
It's a small world. I have a lot of shows to catch
59:37
up. Jeffrey Eberwitz.
59:38
Jeffrey Eberwitz. Bromowitz, Yeah.
59:42
Yeah. So, yeah.
59:44
So your so your take away is is that you want to give back and
59:48
and and give back from your experience the.
59:50
Biggest thing is when people get you know, in involved with an
59:54
investigation, they just think they're going to hire the best
59:56
lawyer and that's it. And the real battle is 1 outside
59:59
of the Corp one. You know, the prosecutor
1:00:02
controls 80% of the courtroom and you have control over that
1:00:07
20%. And you know, when you when you
1:00:10
say yourself, the judge looks at the lawyer has a paid
1:00:13
mouthpiece, what am I going to show?
1:00:15
So I just wanted to create as many clusters and mitigation to
1:00:18
over shadow the government's version of me because they had
1:00:21
this bolder version of me. And I just wanted to shine the
1:00:25
correct light on who I was deeply inside and, you know,
1:00:31
deeply committed to AAI. Do 3-4 in persons a week.
1:00:34
I, I lead at meetings, I speak at meetings, I speak at a detox
1:00:38
clinic once a month. So yes, I mean, it's, I mean,
1:00:43
it, it, it's never going to. I just want to let people know
1:00:48
that like, you know, you have control over the case.
1:00:51
And if you think hiring a lawyer and just waiting to go into
1:00:54
sentencing, you know, you're, you're not, it's, it's not it,
1:01:00
that's not how it is. I mean, you have to really take
1:01:04
control over things where people will say, you know how many?
1:01:08
So I'm, I consulted over 300 clients in the last almost 2 1/2
1:01:13
years. Every single one of them, their
1:01:17
lawyer said the PSI is just a 20 minute interview, right, right.
1:01:23
Another thing was that arose a lot was like Joe, the loss
1:01:26
amount, they would come to me and say, hey, the loss amount,
1:01:29
you know, it's not correct. That's why I just passed the
1:01:32
forensic accounting and fraud, because that's another big thing
1:01:36
because that makes the points go up.
1:01:38
You know, we're down tremendously.
1:01:41
And then, you know, there, there's, there's, there's a lot
1:01:44
of different, you know, mitigation that the, the, the
1:01:49
lawyers just don't know. But also like, the biggest thing
1:01:55
was when this case, I had a lot of case, I had a few cases that
1:02:00
was over 90% reduction in sentences.
1:02:04
And the guy, one of them was facing 168 months and he got a
1:02:11
year in a day, another person 126 months and got a year in a
1:02:15
day with that person. I worked with him for 18 months.
1:02:20
He did everything that I did for my case.
1:02:24
You know, he implemented restitution framework 9-9 months
1:02:28
in advanced, you know, all these different things.
1:02:31
But the, the PSR, when he was sentenced, the judge said that's
1:02:37
the best pre sentence report he's ever seen.
1:02:40
And this was a judge on the bench for 32 years.
1:02:43
Well. That's quite a statement.
1:02:45
Well, you know what it is, Brent?
1:02:46
When they have the recidivism rate of 67% etched in the front
1:02:51
of their mind, a judge, a case manager in prison, your
1:02:54
probation officer, case manager at the halfway house.
1:02:57
So how am I going to make them know I'm part of the 33%?
1:03:00
You know, I'm, I'm never going to be in another courtroom
1:03:03
again, you know, but they don't know that.
1:03:05
Just like when you go to prison, how am I?
1:03:07
How am I going to separate myself from everyone and get out
1:03:10
of here? Because we got looked at the
1:03:11
scene. And to me, in my opinion, the
1:03:13
judge knows that we're human, we all make mistakes, no one's
1:03:18
flawless, we're all flawed. And if you could story tell your
1:03:23
story the right way to the judge, because it also goes into
1:03:26
neurolinguistics about 22 times retention of a story.
1:03:31
More than just readings facts, you know, I mean, that's
1:03:35
scientific proof. So yeah.
1:03:39
And, and I think I think the other thing too on that, I'm a
1:03:42
big, obviously big fan of the storytelling because we've had
1:03:45
this show here for four years. But being able to tell your
1:03:49
story and that's not only going to help you in front of your
1:03:53
case manager or the judge. It's going to help you when
1:03:55
you're looking for a job. It's going to help you socially
1:03:58
with you can own your story instead of somebody else owning
1:04:01
your story. It's a difference maker and how
1:04:05
you enter the world and make your opportunities after you get
1:04:09
out. It's just a big deal.
1:04:11
It's a really big deal if if people want to Joseph get a hold
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of you, what's what's the best way?
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Go to www.jnadvisor.com No S you could find me on LinkedIn,
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Joseph De Gregorio or you could call me directly 646-588-8182.
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I'm a phone call away. I want to help as many people
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get the least amount of time as possible and be with their
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That's a great passion to have and and you have the experience
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people when I was writing my emails back and forth from
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Leavenworth. Stay strong, I'll do the same.
1:05:28
Joseph, I I appreciate you being here as a guest.
1:05:31
I think you gave people a lot of good information about how to
1:05:35
take charge of your own case and not just sit back and and and
1:05:39
wait. Be out in front, be aggressive,
1:05:42
be your best advocate and good stuff.
1:05:46
Good advice, appreciate it. Thank you kindly for having me.
1:05:51
Nightmare success in and out.