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Worst-Case Future for White Collar Workers | A.I Handel Show · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
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  Speaker 1: six forty.
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  Speaker 2: KFI AM six forty Bill Handled here. It is a
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  Speaker 2: Friday morning, February twentieth. News just broke that the Supreme Court,
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  Speaker 2: in a six to three decision, struck down President Trump's
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  Speaker 2: emergency tariffs. All of those tariffs that he introduced are
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  Speaker 2: now illegal.
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  Speaker 1: There they don't exist anymore. Six to three decision.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting, there was that many I'm going to look at
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  Speaker 2: the which are the judges who.
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  Speaker 1: Ruled in what way? But what he did?
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  Speaker 2: Those tariffs were enacted after the President declared a national emergency,
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  Speaker 2: saying that the tariffs were needed because the United States
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  Speaker 2: was under some kind of economic emergency that dealt with
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  Speaker 2: our national security.
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  Speaker 1: Court just said, no, thanks, you're done.
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  Speaker 2: All emergency tariffs have been declared illegal, so now we'll
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  Speaker 2: see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: This is being considered probably the most far reaching.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it actually is far reaching in the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 2: decisions in relation to what the president can and cannot do.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: The other story we're covering, and this is former Prince
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  Speaker 2: Andrew who is now is now Andrew mount Batten Windsor.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't have the title of Prince anymore has been
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  Speaker 2: arrested in relation to his connection to the to Oh
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  Speaker 2: my god, the mind of mind just go it did
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  Speaker 2: of Epstein and what ended up happening with this, Well,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, it's really important to know that has
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  Speaker 2: nothing to do with the sexual connection with Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Speaker 2: This has to do well he that is, Andrew was
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  Speaker 2: a envoy, British envoy to basically the world. He was
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  Speaker 2: negotiating treaties or pushing the economic benefits of England to
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the world.
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  Speaker 1: And that was a royal appointment.
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  Speaker 2: That was a actually I think it was appointment by Parliament.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, in the meantime he gave secrets, accused of
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  Speaker 2: giving very confidential information over to Epstein, financial information. Again,
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  Speaker 2: it's really important that this is not a sexual connection
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  Speaker 2: at all. He's not being accused of any sexual impropriety.
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  Speaker 2: He's already been accused. This one has to do with
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  Speaker 2: a rest for this infraction.
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  Speaker 1: And in a.
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  Speaker 2: Very unusual move King Charles yesterday when he was walking
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  Speaker 2: into some building, he was doing some royal He was
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  Speaker 2: making some royal either he's going to be interviewed or
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  Speaker 2: he was doing some bit of royal business.
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  Speaker 1: As he walked into a into a building.
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  Speaker 2: The press, of course, were adamant in terms of trying
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  Speaker 2: to reach him, and he answered, he answered. One of
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  Speaker 2: the porters screamed at him over the din, Your majesty,
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  Speaker 2: how do you feel about your brother being arrested by
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  Speaker 2: the local authorities for what he has done in terms
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  Speaker 2: of Jeffrey Epstein and the King no issue?
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  Speaker 1: Straight ahead said brother? What brother? And that sort of
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  Speaker 1: took everybody for a loop.
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  Speaker 3: We are not amused.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And he just said, as you would think he
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  Speaker 2: would say, the law is the law, and whatever infraction happened,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to follow the course of the law, which
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  Speaker 2: you would expect nothing less. And that's what King Charles
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  Speaker 2: of course would say. And Andrew's being more and more ostracized.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he was a removed title his mother, Andrew's mother,
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  Speaker 2: King Queen Elizabeth, removed some of his duties as make
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  Speaker 2: all duties as a royal, but he still kept his
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  Speaker 2: title as Prince. Charles removed his title is prince. He's
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  Speaker 2: not the prince anymore. And I don't even know if
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  Speaker 2: they're speaking to each other at this point. I have
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  Speaker 2: no idea one of the things that Charles did was
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  Speaker 2: kick him out of that is Andrew kick him out
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  Speaker 2: of the residence, a royal residence that was owned by
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  Speaker 2: the crown and now he's in a private residence that
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  Speaker 2: Charles was.
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  Speaker 1: Putting him up. And I don't know whether Andrew he did.
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  Speaker 2: He was on the civil list, civilists being paid a
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  Speaker 2: salary if you would buy the by Parliament, by the
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  Speaker 2: people of England. I think that's been removed completely. And Charles,
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  Speaker 2: I believe, is supporting Andrew out of his pocket. Although
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  Speaker 2: what's he gonna do. I mean, Andrew has no skills, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: no marketable jobs. Yeah, what kind of job does he get?
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  Speaker 2: Although he is a helicopter pilot. One of the things
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  Speaker 2: about Andrew which is not being brought up very much
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  Speaker 2: is during the Falklands War he was a helicopter pilot
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  Speaker 2: that actually flu rescue missions. He was in combat and
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  Speaker 2: so you have to give him credit for that. He
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  Speaker 2: didn't have to be. Also, Harry was also in combat
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  Speaker 2: in Afghanistan. Did you know that, I mean he was
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  Speaker 2: being shot at.
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  Speaker 3: Wishes he could go back to that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's a shame.
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  Speaker 2: And Andrew was the Queen's favorite, like Andrew a lot
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  Speaker 2: more than she liked Charles, which is why Charles has
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  Speaker 2: some really big mommy issues.
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  Speaker 1: Not very happy.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, and this has a lot to do now
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  Speaker 2: with the United States has to deal with this. And
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  Speaker 2: what does that mean. Well, England is holding accounta bill
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  Speaker 2: is holding these people accountable. You got Mandelssohn, who was
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  Speaker 2: a member of Parliament who was also involved in Epstein's
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  Speaker 2: financial issues. He's been tossed in the United States. Not
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  Speaker 2: much as happening. Not much as happening. The administration did
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  Speaker 2: everything it could not to release, first of all, the
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  Speaker 2: Epstein files. And now all of these names that are
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  Speaker 2: on the that are mentioned in those files, not a
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  Speaker 2: lot is being done done with. Even Howard Lutnik, who
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  Speaker 2: is in the cabinet and he forgot his Commerce or
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  Speaker 2: Treasury or a senior certainly a senior financial position, is
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  Speaker 2: still there and he is connected with Epstein on the
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  Speaker 2: sexual front, not a financial front, and he's still there.
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  Speaker 2: So the United States, we're not doing such a good job,
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  Speaker 2: are we. But then that goes back to if you're
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  Speaker 2: a friend, you're a friend, and if you're an enemy,
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  Speaker 2: we're going after you. All right, We're done with that
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  Speaker 2: big news just came down literally minutes ago. The Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court just struck down Trump's tariffs, those emergency tariffs, all
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  Speaker 2: of them have been on an emergency basis because under
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  Speaker 2: the law of Congress has to okay any tariffs, and
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  Speaker 2: what the President did was he did a run around
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  Speaker 2: by declaring an emergency or financial emergency, therefore a national emergency,
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  Speaker 2: and therefore he could impose terriffs. Well, the court just
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  Speaker 2: struck that down and they said no, thank you, And
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  Speaker 2: so now tariffs have those emergency terrorists have disappeared. And
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  Speaker 2: I have to call my partner Saville at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the show if I out what the hell's going on,
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  Speaker 2: because we have been paying astronomical teriffs bringing in stainless
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  Speaker 2: steel cookware from China, and the tariffs on those were
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  Speaker 2: just ridiculous. So now we're spinning the other way. A
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  Speaker 2: good spin, but still a spin. Okay, I want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about white collar jobs. For those of you that
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  Speaker 2: have white collar jobs, you might as well just to
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  Speaker 2: consider a suicide this morning, because what's going on AI
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  Speaker 2: is really hitting white collar jobs, and white collar workers
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  Speaker 2: are getting really nervous and they should and they should
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  Speaker 2: why because while companies are saying no, thank you, not
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  Speaker 2: only laying them off, but not hiring. And this is
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  Speaker 2: about the effects of CHAT, GPT and CLAUDE and companies
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  Speaker 2: are citing labor saving efficiency promoting effects of these.
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  Speaker 1: And are letting employees go.
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  Speaker 2: Now, does that mean they're just AI washing, which means
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  Speaker 2: they're talking about algorithms And maybe it's to discract and
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  Speaker 2: distract from poor managerial decisions. And it's a nice deflection.
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  Speaker 2: But the labor market for office workers really is beginning
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  Speaker 2: to shift. Americans with bachelor's degree account for a quarter
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  Speaker 2: of the unemployed.
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  Speaker 1: That's a record high.
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  Speaker 2: A quarter of the unemployed are bachelor's degrees and it's
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  Speaker 2: going quicker than any other part of the working population.
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  Speaker 2: That is a trend that's unprecedented. Occupations susceptible to AI
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  Speaker 2: automation have seen really sharp strikes joblessness. Businesses are shrinking payrolls,
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  Speaker 2: they are cutting costs as they deploy AI. In recent weeks,
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  Speaker 2: Baker McKenzie, one of the premier law firms in the world,
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  Speaker 2: actually cut seven hundred employees salesforce. You've heard of that
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  Speaker 2: company sacked hundreds of workers. The auditing firm KPMG is
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  Speaker 2: negotiating lawyer fees with its own auditors. And so here
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  Speaker 2: is what business has to deal with. Maybe algorithm driven
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  Speaker 2: changes will happen slowly, getting workers plenty of time to adjust.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe white collar jobs only have twelve to eighteen months left.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe the AI related job carnage will be contained only
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  Speaker 2: a small slice of the economy. Maybe we should be
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  Speaker 2: more worried about a stock market bubble than this revolution
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  Speaker 2: of AI.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is nobody knows.
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  Speaker 2: AI technology is changing at an exponential pace. It is
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  Speaker 2: going far faster than our ability, than business's ability to
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  Speaker 2: deal with it, and it's changing the workforce in ways
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  Speaker 2: that we don't even understand. Because AI, we know it
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  Speaker 2: quickly eliminates white collar work, that's easy to figure out
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  Speaker 2: what it can.
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  Speaker 1: Do and what it can replace.
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  Speaker 2: And we don't know where the country is going to
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  Speaker 2: end financially. Is it going to be a stronger than
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  Speaker 2: just a downturn? Is it going to be something far
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  Speaker 2: harder to recover from? Now, give you a little history
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  Speaker 2: of the United States. When the economy goes south, when
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  Speaker 2: the labor market damage happens as a result of recession,
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  Speaker 2: what happens, well, Congress slashes taxes, it writes stimulus check
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  Speaker 2: like it did during the pandemic. Unemployment insurance either increases
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  Speaker 2: or the amount or the time involved increases, which is
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  Speaker 2: what happened during the pandemic. And when there are holes
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  Speaker 2: in the state and local governments, the FEDS usually come
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  Speaker 2: in to patch up those holes. And what else can
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  Speaker 2: the FED do? Well, they can drop interest rates down
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  Speaker 2: to zero. The Fed can and does purchase hundreds of
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  Speaker 2: billions of dollars of safe assets, making borrowing a lot
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  Speaker 2: cheaper for families and encouraging businesses to invest. Demand increases,
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  Speaker 2: pushing the unemployment rate down, and GDP goes up. That's
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  Speaker 2: the formula. It's not working anymore. No one knows what's
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  Speaker 2: going to happen with this. That is the problem. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to come back and continue on with this because
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  Speaker 2: this is all about AI affecting your job. And it
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  Speaker 2: used to be that white collar work was the most
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  Speaker 2: protected work of all. Now it is the most vulnerable
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  Speaker 2: work because of AI. So to give you an idea, okay,
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  Speaker 2: downsizing trend of the nineteen nineties, remember that it really
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  Speaker 2: didn't affect the white collar worker very much because the
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  Speaker 2: unemployment rate for workers with a bachelor's degree never went
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  Speaker 2: higher than five point three percent, and that's considered pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: Four to five percent is considered full employment. So keep
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  Speaker 2: this in mind. I'm going to throw a couple figures
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  Speaker 2: at you. If you had a bachelor's degree, the unemployment
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  Speaker 2: rate never went higher than five point three percent. Now
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  Speaker 2: let's go to workers with only an associate's degree or
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  Speaker 2: some college credits. That hit nine percent unemployment. Now let's
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  Speaker 2: go to workers with only a high school diploma. The
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  Speaker 2: unemployment rate hit eleven point nine percent, almost twelve percent.
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  Speaker 2: There is the difference. So now there's a new paradigm.
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  Speaker 2: The educated and well to do are going to fare
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  Speaker 2: far worse and the less educated and lower income nagger neighbors.
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  Speaker 2: That is a big, big difference has gone the other way.
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  Speaker 2: And here's a couple of things that might happen. And
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  Speaker 2: again this is the worst case stuff. And you know
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  Speaker 2: I love worst case stuff, and hopefully it doesn't happen
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  Speaker 2: to you, And that part I really mean. But let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about the main fight against joblessness. The unemployment insurance system.
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  Speaker 2: It's not going to meet the challenge. Why well, payments
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  Speaker 2: last for only six months for the most part during
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  Speaker 2: the pandemic. There were eighteen months, but that was unique,
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  Speaker 2: and the government went into insane debts, a debt and
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  Speaker 2: making this happen. So if AI eliminates the need for
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  Speaker 2: office work, which it does, that's the first thing out.
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  Speaker 2: A whole lot of people are going to be unemployed
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  Speaker 2: and for years, and now we're dealing with their mental health.
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  Speaker 2: That's going to serior eate. When you're unemployed and you're
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  Speaker 2: looking at years of unemployment, you do not do well mentally.
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  Speaker 2: The chances of finding a new job diminish every month.
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  Speaker 2: The unemployment system also, people don't think about this isn't
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  Speaker 2: designed to support six figure earners. When you earn six figures,
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  Speaker 2: you live like you earn six figures. Very few people
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  Speaker 2: earn one hundred thousand dollars a year and live like
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  Speaker 2: they're making forty thousand dollars a year. That's simply not
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  Speaker 2: what we do. And so you live a six figure
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  Speaker 2: life and the unemployment gives you unemployment payments five hundred
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  Speaker 2: to six hundred dollars a week.
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  Speaker 1: So that is a failure.
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  Speaker 2: So let me give you this cascade of how difficult
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  Speaker 2: and we have to deal with AI, and I think
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  Speaker 2: we will because if we don't deal with AI, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: our entire system collapses. What if rich households don't have
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  Speaker 2: money so they cut back on spending. Businesses that have
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  Speaker 2: nothing to do with AI, grocery stores, gas stations, retail shop, hairdressers, restaurants,
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  Speaker 2: They're going to suffer dramatically because the labor market keeps deteriorating.
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  Speaker 2: The housing market begins to go south because in many
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  Speaker 2: regions the prices fall, fewer properties go on the market.
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  Speaker 2: Tax revenue then falls, bond yields may go up, the
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  Speaker 2: deficits increase, and it's really tough all the way around.
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  Speaker 1: I mean dealing with AI.
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  Speaker 2: Is AI can be, and is I believe an existential
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  Speaker 2: threat to many, many people in the economy. My daughter,
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  Speaker 2: for example, My daughter is getting her master's degree in
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  Speaker 2: computer engineering and I'm telling her, you better learn how
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  Speaker 2: to make coffee at Starbucks. Oh wait a minute, they
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  Speaker 2: don't have as many customers as they used to have,
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  Speaker 2: so they're not hiring. It's a tough road, and AI
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  Speaker 2: is going to be Neil. When do you think AI
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  Speaker 2: is going to be replacing this show?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you can be replaced, sir.
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  Speaker 1: Oh thank you.
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  Speaker 2: In the meantime, we had ann come up with a segment,
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  Speaker 2: an AI segment of this show, and you know what
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  Speaker 2: it did. It actually turned out sounding better than what
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  Speaker 2: we did.
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  Speaker 3: I've always felt like the intelligence on this show was artificial.
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  Speaker 1: And there's no question, and it's not very high either.
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  Speaker 2: And we do have that, don't we That segment that
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  Speaker 2: was done, which will probably cono we have it. We're
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  Speaker 2: not going to have time to Yeah, you know what, sure,
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  Speaker 2: why not, let's go ahead and dump the next topic.
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  Speaker 2: We'll do it on Monday, and we have some proof
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  Speaker 2: at how AI actually works and how a segment of
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  Speaker 2: this show, our show AI was produced and created.
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  Speaker 3: ConA, why don't you reach into your button? Grab that,
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  Speaker 3: won't you?
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  Speaker 1: Very nice? Very nice? We did cono, we did say it,
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  Speaker 1: didn't we do? We have it? Of course?
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  Speaker 2: Oh you don't even know's there? Okay, we're coming back
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  Speaker 2: with that. So the AI version of this show coming.
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  Speaker 3: Right up a few moments later.
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  Speaker 2: Now, let's go back to the white collar problem with AI,
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  Speaker 2: because AI is affecting white collar jobs far more than
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  Speaker 2: any other kind of any other industry.
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  Speaker 1: Blue collar does much better.
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  Speaker 2: Entry level is gone, the professionals, professional jobs are disappearing,
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  Speaker 2: and we were joking saying at some point, this job
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  Speaker 2: is gonna go to a I and people go, no,
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  Speaker 2: that's not how do you do that?
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  Speaker 1: That's not true? You know what we did it? There
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  Speaker 1: was we used AI to create a segment of this show.
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  Speaker 2: So coming up right now, we're gonna run the tape
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  Speaker 2: that we run the tape.
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  Speaker 1: No one uses that anymore because there is no tape.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna run the recording of the AI segment and
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  Speaker 2: I this is not me, because it's gonna sound better
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  Speaker 2: than me.
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  Speaker 1: This is not me.
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  Speaker 2: This is a I doing a segment of the show
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  Speaker 2: Good Morning World, for at least the unfortunate part of it.
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  Speaker 2: Tuned in right now, I'm Bill Handle, and this is
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  Speaker 2: the show where common sense goes to court, gets delayed
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  Speaker 2: for six months, and still walks out with a parking ticket.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the big boogeyman in the room.
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  Speaker 2: AI, Artificial Intelligence. You've heard the headlines, right. AI is
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  Speaker 2: going to take over everything. AI can write novels, AI
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  Speaker 2: can do your taxes. AI can replace your therapist. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: well guess what. AI can also make a pizza, write
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  Speaker 2: a love letter, and steal your job. All before you
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  Speaker 2: finish your coffee. Let's break it down, folks. AI is
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  Speaker 2: already replacing cashiers, paralegals, copywriters, customer service agents, and get this,
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  Speaker 2: radio hosts. That's right, somewhere out there, there's a synthetic
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  Speaker 2: voice trying to sound just like me, except it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: need bathroom breaks, it won't unionize, and can't be sued
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  Speaker 2: for defamation. Yet you know who's safe from AI. Plumbers
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  Speaker 2: Because until a robot can crawl under your sink, avoid
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  Speaker 2: the spider nest and not complain about it, one the
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  Speaker 2: plumber still has job security. Same with electricians, roofers, and
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  Speaker 2: whoever knows how to fix your Wi Fi without crying.
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  Speaker 2: But you, you, with the marketing degree and the resume
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  Speaker 2: that says detail oriented team player, You're first on the
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  Speaker 2: chopping block. Now, Silicon Valley will tell you AI will
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  Speaker 2: make our lives easier. Sure, right after it makes half
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  Speaker 2: the population unemployed, they'll say this is just like the
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  Speaker 2: Industrial Revolution. Yeah, except back then the machines didn't write
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  Speaker 2: poetry or flirt with your girlfriend.
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  Speaker 1: Let me be clear. AI isn't smart, It's just fast.
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  Speaker 2: AI is a glorified copy machine with access to the
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  Speaker 2: entire internet and zero shame. It doesn't understand, it doesn't feel,
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  Speaker 2: and it's sure as heck doesn't worry about rent. Here's
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  Speaker 2: my advice, learn a skill it can't fake, like critical thinking, plumbing,
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  Speaker 2: or saying no to a meeting. Stop relying on buzzwords
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  Speaker 2: like synergy. The robots already speak fluent nonsense and most importantly,
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  Speaker 2: make yourself too annoying to replace. Loud, opinionated, unpredictable. Be
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  Speaker 2: like me, because trust me, no way I wants to
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  Speaker 2: handle that. Here's Amy King live from the KFI twenty
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  Speaker 1: Here's the latest. You cut that down.
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  Speaker 2: That is a I that was not me speaking, and
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  Speaker 2: it's a better segment than I can do. There are
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  Speaker 2: no flubs. Have you noticed that I'm not groping for words.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not using the wrong words to describe something.
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  Speaker 1: That was a segment that I didn't do. There goes
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  Speaker 1: my job. I'm done.
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  Speaker 2: Come Monday, it's gonna be the ear SUTs bill handle
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  Speaker 2: telling you AI is the death knell of our jobs.
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  Speaker 2: Street corners we're gonna be. We're gonna be fighting for
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  Speaker 2: street corners. Will work for food, except, of course, you
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  Speaker 2: don't work for food you just big. All right, we're done,
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  Speaker 2: guys coming up foody Friday. See that was pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: That's as impressive. I'm right, AI is really impressive. And
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  Speaker 2: then at some point we'll go through how that happens
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  Speaker 2: and the kind of algorithm that was involved, but we
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  Speaker 2: don't have time for right now.
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