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#151: Gill1918 presents Track Tribe LIVE: (Part 3) "One System" with Colin Hunter hosted by Kyle Jones · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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Now let's get into today's topic.
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I think those, I think those are really good things, right?
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So we talked about the accountability, right, Making
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sure people were there supposed to be helping and cheering.
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The encouragement, I should say, not accountability, the
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encouragement of other team members, making sure that
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you're, you're, you're not running too many events, right,
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right. Those are those are critical
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things as well, making sure you communicate well because under
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communicating will will get warrant you a list of problems.
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So those load management issues want to do those maybe even
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cultural or communication breakdowns.
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And then the planning piece of it, making sure you're
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communicating with your coaches and you're up to speed on those
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things. So one last question, 'cause I,
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I, I, we, we probably got just a few minutes here as we kind of
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wind down. So let's talk about real quick
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simplifying systems, right? Because clearly you've got a
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really good system here that works for you, your coaches,
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your team, even all the way down to the middle school level.
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So if a coach wanted to clean up their program, excuse me, if
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coach wanted to clean up their program and improve, improve, I
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guess you can say alignment, right?
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They wanted to improve some alignment.
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What's the first thing that you would recommend for them to fix,
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or for them to simplify in order to fix something that could be
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wrong in their program? You're you and your coaches have
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to be on the same page. Period.
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End of story. I hired everyone of mine except
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one. My throwing coach was there
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before me and like he is, it's always the throwing coaches.
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He's he is just like Mr. Track and Field.
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He loves all of it. As soon as like the as soon as
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he can get onto the track after throwing events are done, like
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he's he's there. Hey, I don't know that kids
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name. What's that kids name?
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So I can cheer for him, right? Like coaches need to be like
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that, right, period. Like learn names.
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Oh, that's another, that's OK. That's that's there's, there's
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like a pep heave of mine. I hate it when I hear coaches
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say I'm bad with names. Learn, learn every kids head
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coach. Head coaches learn every kids
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name. Period.
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End of story. OK yes some people are better at
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it than others but if you're a head coach I can understand my
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Sprint coach not knowing all the distance runners names.
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He's going to try. I know he's going to try.
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But like head coach know every kids name, have the same
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relationship with every kid. No that's impossible.
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But learn their names, make them feel important.
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And yeah, so hire people that care about the team, not just
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their group. And if you don't like hiring is
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hard. Like I, my AD lets me do all my
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own hiring. Hiring is very it's not, it's
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not the most fun process. So when like if my coaches leave
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for some reason, like I want to support them, I want to see them
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grow. So if like especially if they're
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a younger coach and if somebody leaves my program and gets a
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head coaching job someday, that's going to be awesome.
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But you know, replacing them is difficult.
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And if you don't, if you don't know somebody, then it's really
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hard to make this judgement. But hire somebody that loves the
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sport and likes the sport overall.
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And yes, I'm not saying like every coach needs to know the
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nuts and bolts of every event that I think the head coach
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should OK, I want, I want as head coach, I want to be able to
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step in for my throwing coach if he's sick, right?
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I want to know that the the kids are going to get what they need
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at practice. So I'm not.
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But assistants and event coaches like be a master of your event
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and acknowledge and cheer for the other events.
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So try to find people like that. Try to hire people who are going
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to be all in on the program as a whole because it's really hard
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to have success. And if, let's say yours, this is
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where it applies to the smaller school, Like if you have like if
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you got a smaller team, and I don't want to say fighting over
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kids, but like you have to be more careful about where you're
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putting kids in certain events because load management's even
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more important. And figuring out where you can
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win is even harder. You know, when you have a
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smaller team, like be be humble and be there for the team, not
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for yourself and not just for your own group.
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That is, that is square 1. So as head coach, you have to
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care about everybody, learn everybody's name, trust your
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assistant. If you hire somebody because
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they know how to coach an event, trust them to coach that event,
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right? I'm not going to write my Sprint
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coaches workouts. I'm not going to tell him who to
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put on the four by one unless I have a very strong team based
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reason, right? Trust them to do their job, know
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what they're doing, but don't micromanage, right?
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Like I want my Sprint coach to know that I care about what he's
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doing, but I'm not going to micromanage him.
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Cheer for the kids, all the kids, the JV.
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Like you said, you like having a smaller team and that works for
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you. For me, I'm at a big school
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where like we're like, my team is like 10% of the student body,
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which is when you think of it that way, that's really cool.
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And yeah, we have, we have kids that aren't, you know, we got
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some boy who's never going to run faster than 12/5, right?
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And depending on how big the Sprint group is, we might have a
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conversation with him someday about, OK, you need to try
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longer event group just because there's too many kids in this
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event group and you're the lowest one in the totem pole,
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right? That's a numb, that's just a
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management thing, right? Like you can't have 50 sprinters
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and only 5 long sprinters, Not going to work that way.
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But if there's room in that group for that kid, then find a
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way to celebrate them because it's going to affect them in a
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positive way, right? It then it takes a little wins.
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Like sometimes you can turn programs around pretty quickly.
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But back to our 4 by 4 our first year, I want to say like we
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didn't we I don't think we won a 4x4 until my third or fourth
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year. And like you look at some of the
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time, you look at some of the times early on and it's it's not
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great. Those are those are surely
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distance runners running a 4 by 4 right now.
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They were sprinters. But then, yeah, we came runner
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up in the state last year and and it's because it was a had a
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long, you know, we weren't going to fix it overnight.
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We had a very young team when I started.
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And like you said at the top, it's hard.
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It's hard to, for you can't force age, right.
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You can't force, you can't force puberty and testosterone.
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That's going to take care of yourself.
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So you got to be, you got to know what you have, know where
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you can succeed now, and know figure out what you need to do
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to succeed in the future. For us, that's our fixing our
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800 this year. We're going to try to fix the
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800 because that's the group that's been been bugging us the
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past few years, right? So yeah.
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Good luck with that. That's one of my favorite
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groups. So I'm I'm one, I'm one of those
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weird people. I guess I want to say weird.
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Maybe I shouldn't say weird. That's a bad term.
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I'm like, I guess I'm a unique individual.
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I must. I was a former sprinter, but I
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absolutely love cross country and I don't know too many
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sprinters that love distance running or distance the group,
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the distance group. I love the distance now where I
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am now, I, I coach the jumpers, hurdlers, sprinters in our
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distance group too right now. But we got a couple of got a new
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coach and a new Sprint coach and he's coming at speed.
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But I'm getting in together teaching him some things.
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But the unique part of the my mindset is strategic, right?
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I love the strategy behind the 800 and above.
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I think I want those unique things.
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So when you said 800, my ears perked up.
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Now I'm like, I'm interested. I want to know what you guys are
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going to be doing, right? So you know, you're going to
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have to post that in the track tribe, right?
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I really want to know. I'll be, I'll be really
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interested in in hearing about what you guys are doing and how
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you're developing. I guess 800, we've experimented
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with different things and nothing's quite stuck and I
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really it takes the right kid. It does.
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That's a hard event. It straight up takes the IT
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takes the right girl, the right boy who just really, they know
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how to hurt for 200 meters, right?
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They know how to get to 600 and survive.
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Yeah. So I know you got yourself,
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maybe I'll share some of the stuff that I've done because I
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know and this is kind of just digress.
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I don't want to get too far off. I had a couple of JV kids that I
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got to run varsity. And I told our kids last year, I
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said, you guys aren't running a 4 by 8 unless everybody's at
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least under 210 at a minimum, right?
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That's the standard. Because these kids down here,
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they're, you know, again, we're in a little bit warmer climate,
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so they move a little faster sometimes you got these kids.
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And last year at our state meet, 8th place was like a a 759.
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The MHSA AM HSAA 4 by 8 is, it's crazy.
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It's like we are, yeah. If we can, if we can.
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Our goal is to qualify the four by eight.
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My goal, we haven't talked about it as a group yet, but my goal
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is to qualify our 4 by 8 for the first time in frigging forever.
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And and that's going to be an accomplishment.
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And we have, we have teams that are running.
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Yeah, 7:47. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's like. Michigan and we're going to be
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well happy to be here in the 3rd and and Heat 3.
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Yeah, that that's so insane. You know what?
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And I find that, and maybe this is a conversation too, like just
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coaches just kind of looking at the patterns around the country,
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right? You find the North has some
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really, really good distance runners, right?
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Especially obviously the high altitude areas, right, Because
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when they come down to low altitude or regular altitude
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with us, they just. I heard, I heard Arrowhead.
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What's Kansas? No, Utah.
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What's his name? Teemo.
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I heard Teemo at Mostert at, at our, our, our cross country
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clinic a few weeks ago. And yeah, he talking about how,
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yeah, they're coming down from altitude for NXR.
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And it's like, that's a, that's something I don't got to worry
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about. I'm not going to worry about
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coming down from altitude and, you know, converting times and
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stuff. So yeah.
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Well, I think it, I think it benefits them, you know,
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training at altitude, obviously there's less oxygen, so when
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they get down, but sometimes they can have an adverse effect
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too. I don't know, especially in the
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warmer weather. But I, it's very interesting
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because, you know, I talked to our cross country kids sometimes
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I'm like, you guys are pretty good.
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But these guys up north, they would wipe the floor with you in
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like some, it's like you guys are running pretty good.
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But man, I'm telling you, these northern guys, because I ran in
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New Jersey, you would see these guys flying.
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I'm like, Oh my God, what's happening?
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But the sprints down South are a little faster.
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We have, yeah, we have kids. Who?
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Yeah, the the state record 4 by 1 was set at at a meet we were
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at a few years ago, Division One state record for boys, 4 by 1.
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That was very cool to be at the track for to see that happen.
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And if that was run at some whatever invite at Texas, it
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wouldn't have podiumed, right? Like, come on.
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Yeah, the patterns, yeah, I saw as fun.
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So I know what I'm going to wrap it up here.
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Fun part, I got to see Langston Hughes High School.
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I don't know if you ever heard the kid.
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Maurice Gleaton. They call him Lambole.
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Yeah. So he was in our region.
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OK, for for. Years.
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Yeah. So we we had a we had a region.
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We called it the Region of Doom. It was us and the high school,
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Langston Hughes and a couple of the schools that you probably
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aren't familiar with, but dude, they took the top four out of
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our region. Our region is like most people's
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district, right? Yeah.
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So most people go district, region, state, We go, yeah.
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We just go, we go region, state. There's no district front
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though. And yeah.
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We have region, sectional state, so they take the top four out of
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our region. Did we?
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We left the 10 seven home, no. That's crazy, That's crazy.
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That's gonna, that's gonna, that's gonna probably win state
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finals for us most years. Yeah, that's insane.
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But at that, that your, your comments about like you like
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cross country in the 800, like that's a, that's probably the
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best analogy I have for like a new head coach.
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And the example I'll give is so to our, our region of death.
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Have you heard of East Kentwood? No, OK, so E Kentwood is the
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biggest school in the state to there.
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Are there over 2000 something? No, they're over like 3000
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whatever They're they're 10 minutes North East of us.
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OK. They are basically how in our
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county like they're in the big conference.
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The OK right is what they call it Ottawa, Kent County red.
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We're in the OK green if we're just like the next step down.
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So all the biggest schools are in a conference together and
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then the the next size schools are in a conference together in
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our county. But we're in East Kentwood's
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region. And so really he they, they're a
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powerhouse. They were the first West Side
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boys team to win a state championship in a very long time
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in Michigan. It's it's like basically Detroit
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area, duh. You know, they're the
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powerhouses. But E Kentwood, coached by Dave
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Emiot, he's a freaking Hall of Fame dude.
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He's going to, he's been there for a while, but he's the boys
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head coach. He's the pole vault coach now.
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So speed and power guy, right? But at the regional meet, you'll
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see him freaking cheering for those distance runners because
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he knows that they matter. I saw him at our cross country
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regional meet a few months ago cheering for cross country
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runners. He's not a cross country coach,
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right? He's the track.
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He's the track boys track head coach.
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But he is there at the regional meet an hour away cheering for
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the cross country team, right? That is, that's the example of
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what it takes, I think, to really be successful is caring,
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caring for everybody, right? I think the hardest part of my
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job is on meet day when I can't see everything.
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Yeah, that's the hardest part of my job.
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I want to go support as many of the kids as possible, and I just
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can't. At some point, you know, some
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sprinter is going to walk up to me.
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Look at my stopwatch out timing the 1600, right?
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Like, unfortunately that's the worst time.
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You can try to talk to me, kid. Unfortunately not.
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And I'll still try, you know, I'll still try to be there for
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them, but I've also got to be there for their teammate who's
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on the track right now, right? That's the hardest part of my
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job. Yeah, and I love it, man.
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OK, I feel seen. I don't feel alone in this world
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anymore. I thought I was like a weirdo
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because I'm all over the place and I'm just like super cheering
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for the throwers for the you have.
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To if you want to be successful, especially in the big divisions,
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if you want to be successful, you have to be good at
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everything, which means that, which means that you got to care
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about everything, right? Like I'm the head coach.
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If I don't care about the throwers, then why should the
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distance runners? Why should the sprinters, right?
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So. Yeah, you got it man, Diet.
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So coaches, make sure, you know, if you listen to this or parents
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or athletes, I don't know, whoever is listening to this,
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make sure you support your team. Coach Hunter has it down.
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We talked about the, you know, getting your coaches on the same
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page, making sure that you all communicate well, managing your
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your athletes workload, especially if you have multiple
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meets during the week. We also talked about that kind
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of that macro cycle, macro cycle, curt culture and
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structure and then figuring out where pieces overlap.
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Unfortunately, we did get a chance to talk about how the
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field events fit into those little things, but we can save
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that for another session. That is something that has been
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kind of unique or near and dear to my heart because I.
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Think it's going to be going to be a thing for us because we got
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a kid who can throw a sophomore and you can throw.
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I know he took top ten in our conference meet, which is again,
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top ten in the conference meet is not a huge deal, but he's
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going to be, let me just put it this way.
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He's going to be fast enough to be a factor on our 4 by 1 and he
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can also throw a shot in disc right though it's that's, you
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know, it's going to become a thing.
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So yeah. Wow, that's so you.
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You know what's fun? All right, Fun fact, I competed
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against. You ever heard of Ron Dane?
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Oh yeah, yeah. So he was not only this
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outstanding thrower, right? I saw.
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There was a video of him last week that I saw like it like
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just it didn't even look like he took a full, like it was
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throwing disc. Didn't even look like he took a
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full. Just goes out there and, you
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know, half turn and yeah, so. When I when I tell you, most
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people do not understand how good that kid really was.
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I got to see it first hand. But what most people don't know
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is he also ran and I believe he won the 55 meter dash in our
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state indoor meet. What?
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Kim's a freak of an athlete, man.
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So yeah, he was, he was, I think he was wrong, man.
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Anyway, you never know. So lots and lots to talk about,
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man. I'm excited.
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I'm, I'm really looking forward to his next Coach's Corner.
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Well, we're going to all get together.
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We'll, we'll dive a little bit into high jump.
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I'll probably lead that session because that's kind of one of my
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40s there. You go.
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You know, the jump specialist, a lot of coaches.
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We got some pretty good jumps coaches in the in the in the
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tribe as well. That's good because that's one.
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Hiring jumps coaches is the hardest, hardest, hardest thing
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to hire jumps coaches and hurdle coaches?
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Not enough of them. If you want to become a
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successful coach, go learn to coach jumps and hurdles please.
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You know, it's, it's tough to find.
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You'll be eternally employable. It jumps, hurdles and throws.
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Coaches are the hardest to find. You want to be you want to, yes,
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I mean, we need good coaches. So if you're distance coach,
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sprints coach, you know, be as good as you can.
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But if you want, if you want to learn something new and you want
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to be eternally employable, go learn hurdles, jumps, throws.
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That I don't coach the throws. I'm going to get Auntie to teach
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me how to throw, to coach those throws.
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Auntie throws something yeah, and but other than that, yeah.
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I coached hurdles now this year again and I'm coaching all three
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jumps and so yeah, got a boat a lot you're.
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Going to need. You're going to need that
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spreadsheet. Yeah, definitely.
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And it ironically that's what I use and I share it with our
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coach and then our our throws coaches, our SNC guys, amazing.
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Does a lot of work, but we'll get into all of that.
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I'm looking forward to the conversation in the future and
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then diving into some more stuff here.
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Coach, I really appreciate you. I don't want to overcook your
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grits here with a little overtime, but hey, conversation
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and I love this stuff coaching. How how does anybody get in
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contact with you? How they?
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Following kind of like I talked about how I manage things a
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little bit and if you want details, if you want me to share
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any sheets that I have with you totally want to do that e-mail C
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Hunter. So CHUNTER, it's my first
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initial and my last name c.hunter@bcpsk12.net
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c.hunter@bcpsk12.net Always got to make sure I get all the
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letters out at on Twitter again. Never going to call it X.
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It's Twitter at Hunter Co HUNTERCO Instagram, the same
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thing I was going to check. Oh, Instagram Colin Hunter 88.
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So I'm willing to share anything, anytime, all.
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Right. And if you have not, if you
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didn't, if you missed all of that, you can track them down in
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the track tribe too. Yep, I'll post, yeah.
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I think if I haven't, I'll post my stuff.
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So yeah. Yeah, I'm excited, man.
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So again, we we did start a resource library.
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So coach, if you want me to put that in there, just let me know.
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I'll take a copy of it and make sure you just put all your stuff
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in there. That way they know it's
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attributed to you as a resource. And then we'll just put it in a
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hey by Coach Colin Hunter. Here's my XYZ sheet so I'll make
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sure. That's a good idea.
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I love that. I love that.
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So sweet. Yeah, that'd be.
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Great man, Coach, and this has been a blessing, man.
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I love talking about this stuff and maybe we could dive a little
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bit deeper. I'm looking forward to the
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future sports science conversations because I just
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know you're going to come bring it with that information as
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well. Teach coaches about Max V, teach
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coaches about accelerations, teach coaches about, you know,
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the technical things that they need to know and just educate
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the next generation at the same time.
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So I'm excited about that. Any final words, Coach?
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No thanks for having me. This is awesome.
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I love talking about it. Thank you for what you're doing.
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I think we need more of this every educate, coaching,
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education, giving back is important.
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The best coaches that you, you know this.
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I'm sure the best coaches out there are the ones that hold it
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out for you to have, right? The best coaches aren't hiding
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anything because they know that everybody who's worth anything
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is probably doing the same thing, right?
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So, yeah, this I love what you're doing here.
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Let's, let's teach people how to be successful.
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Love it. Yeah, absolutely.
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And you know, we don't gatekeep around here y'all.
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So we'll see y'all on the next session here.
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I don't know that. So the the coaches corner is
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going to be a track Tribe exclusive.
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We won't go live on YouTube on that one.
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So you'll have to be in the group for that because that's
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going to be a private Zoom link and all the coaches will be
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getting together discussing high jump.
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We're going, I'm going to do some teaching.
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I'm going to bring some other coaches in that what we're going
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to share some of their workouts, maybe even share some of their
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videos. We're going to dissect.
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We're going to talk about the sports science behind it and
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actual what it is that you need to do to set up your jumps
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program if you're new to it, if you want to enhance it and just
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kind of just a little bit about my background, if you're
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interested in that. We've got a 7 foot, I've got a 7
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foot jumper. I've got a 25 foot long jumper,
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49 foot triple jumper. He's at Florida right now.
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But also had a girl, she went 57, state champion, region
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champ, all that stuff. And last year, again, just
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produced A235 guy and a brand new jumper to the program.
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Never jumped. He was a baseball player.
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He started out at 18 feet. By end of the season, he jumped
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22 qualified for the state. That's awesome.
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OK, That's it's you, you know, you know that good athletes make
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average coaches look great, right?
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But when you can take that in year after year after year, new
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kid, new kid, new kid, that's especially the technical events.
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Yes, that's it. That's it right there.
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Hey, we got it down to a science man, and I'm grateful that I've
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had some mentors that have shown me the way.
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And I just want to share everything that I can with you
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to help everybody else bring their kids up again.
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The better the competition, the better we all get.
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There we go. Rising Tide raises all ships.
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So guys, thank you all for tuning into the track Time live
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session for one system, one program, I think 1 program, 1
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system. Excuse me and this is Meet us in
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the school app under the Track Tribe.
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You can't find us. Find us on the school app again,
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the Track Tribe and you can find Coach Colin Hunter and you can
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find myself coach Coach Jones and most people call me track
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Coach Jones. And we look forward to having
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those conversations again. Join us next time.
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We will see you around. We appreciate you.
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Thank you all for joining. Thank you.
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See you later all. Right, Coach.
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Thank you. Hey gang, Mike Cunningham here.
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Hey, I hope you enjoyed this episode of the Guild 1918
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Project series. It's really my mission, my
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