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From Player to Champion: A Coach's Journey with Hunter Moles · Let's Talk with Carl Lee

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Yeah, you gotta work. You gotta work. By sign it's mine gotta
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show. Everybody is my sign you gotta work. Cry shin another mind whom
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saga die this day line, don't tell you gotta work. Let the conversation
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begin. This is let's Talk with your host Carl Lee. Hello, ladies
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and gentlemen, This is Carl Lee and this is Let's talk and uh interesting
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show today. We've got uh, we've gotta We've got to guess that one
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is my boss. So I have to I have to. I have to
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kind of be really nice to him. And on the other side, he
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is the uh he's a state champion in double A basketball. So we'll get
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some information and I'll do a proper introduction for him. I'll start out with
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my guest, my co host, Hollis Lewis how you doing, man,
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I'm doing well. You you don't look like you're coming from work unless you're
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Unless it's a dress day, it's casual Friday. Is that what it is?
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Okay? Or is it your casual from my castle? Okay? Okay,
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I guess when you move up to jam a little bit, you can
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kind of pick and choose your dress code. Okay, all right, So
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Hunter Moles a South Charleston guy. For sure. Hunter played both soccer and
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basketball in high school and at at s C. And also you did the
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same thing in college. I don't know, if I know, two sport
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guys. Not too many left. There's not too many of those. So
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that's I thought that was a rare thing when I was when I was going
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through your bio. Graduated from West Virginia Tech, and then you went on
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got your masters from UC. Right out of graduation, you go right into
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coaching, yes, sir, assistant coach in basketball correct, okay, at
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South Charleston co Vic Herbert Man. And that's young, yeah, very I
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mean, that's that's really young. I think I was twenty one when I
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started, Okay, and then you went on to Charleston Catholic and I've already
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said that, and you just won a state championship, yes, sir,
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So I'm interested in you know, people talk all the time about the the
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challenges that come with coaching and creating culture and all of these kind of things,
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and and you know, and you're obviously you are a young guy,
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a lot younger than I am. And so when you start talking about coaching
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for looso. Where does yours come from? Because clearly it's it's being successful,
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And where do you come from? Where does that come from? Is
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it just you? Are you? Is there a coach that you have looked
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up to, played for or what? Tell us a little bit about you
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and this desire in coaching. Yeah, I've kind of always enjoyed it,
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always enjoyed the game inside the game. But I guess it could really start
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from mom and dad. To be honest with you, that's the best coaches
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I've ever had. Okay, I mean my mom is I'm super close with
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my mom. My dad. You know, he he was kind of my
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first coach. He played baseball westernon State, so he was a baseball guy.
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I grew up playing some baseball, but it got to the point we
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had to pick and you know, I kind of was a little bit better
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with soccer and basketball, and so it starts with mom and dad and just
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you know, I look back at the way that they taught me to do
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things, and something that always stuck was my dad. I would you know,
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he's a well you're not playing as much as you want, You need
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to work harder in practice and hearing stories about my dad. You know,
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he he was a hard worker like that. Both of us are not super
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skilled in the game of basketball. You wouldn't not super athletic, but we
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had to outwork people. So that kind of comes into the coaching part.
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I think where you know, I had a lot of just coaches growing up.
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Coach Bob Williams at Tech was my basketball coach. I went to Tech
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to play for Luis Cortel, who if you went to a meeting and you
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didn't bring a pin, it was a It was a sprint for the team.
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Everybody had to bring a pin to the met didn't matter if he was
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gonna use it, but you had to bring a pin. The success in
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the details was there, like super super detailed meetings started at seven, You
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walk in at seven, you're late. Little things like that, Little things
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like that where you know, in college it really took it to the next
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level, but even in high school, Vic Herbert and Shawn Napper used to
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call me coach Moles. They used to call me that my senior year.
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I just understand it offense as well. My assistant coaches at Catholic have been
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Rasha Ki Kate and Devin Harris. That's two of my best friends in my
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life, and that makes it a lot of fun too. But we always
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talked about it when we were younger, how much fun we thought it would
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be the coacher on team. We're a big fan of exes and o's,
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And as we started getting older and older, we realized exs and oose is
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maybe ten percent of this thing really as coach of personalities, and that's that's
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really the big part of coaching giving back. We've just had so many good
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coaches growing up. A lot of them were you know, maybe Rashad and
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uh Devin's dad. It could have been my dad, it could have been
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someone else's we're playing AAU and you know, someone else's dads, cause we
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just had so many and it'd be hard to just shit there and name everybody.
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But yeah, just having those guys by my side understanding what we want
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to accomplish was huge, And I think I get I think coaches in general
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might get too much credit when they win and maybe too much blame when they
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lose, because really you have to give credit. I keep thinking more and
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more about this since we've won. Like my first year as a head coach,
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I was twenty three years old, you know, those players didn't have
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to buy in. They didn't have to say, you know, well,
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yeah, we actually do want to do these type of things. We do
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want to echo the calls, like if we're calling out a drill, hey,
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three man weave, everybody else at three man we weave. We don't
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walk on the basketball court, no talking during free throws and shirt tucks tucked
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in. You know. So like if gods come in and they're fighting the
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rules, the rules or fighting that that makes it harder too. We don't
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we don't have to deal with that, and we can actually coach you in
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exus and o's. So if you can, if you can buy into the
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little details, and it's I'm just being honest, some guys can't do it.
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They can't get over uh somebody telling them to do this, do X,
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Y and Z. And if you just buy into that, you could
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be a lot better team. So let me hold, I have to say
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this because I'm over here like shaking. Okay, because like for the parent
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that that that just hurt. This is a young man who is coaching and
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the things that he's talking about being on time, the focus that you have
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to have. H that's still that's old school. And and I don't even
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know if if you if you should, if we should even call it old
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school. It should be just the principal fundamental, the just the fundamentals of
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how how it is again being on time. Some of that sometimes is the
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responsibility of that parent to get that child there. But if you're late and
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you're in school and you're and you're going to practice, something's totally wrong,
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you know. And I just like, I so what it was just crazy
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because I was building up over here, like thinking, Okay, I gotta
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say something, but I don't want to interrupt them. Because we've talked about
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those kinds of structures in practice, those kind of structures in sports since we've
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been on air. And I still think I still don't think people get it.
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They don't until they go and see it. Maybe I don't know if
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they really they see that we want a championship, they don't understand how we've
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gotten there. Big point. But let me let me ask you this,
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just to not necessarily come back that, but just from the other side,
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do you think instilling those principles are easier at Catholic because there's already sort of
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a built in standard you have to drop this way, you have to do
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these certain things in order to be a part of this academic I think that's
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a great point, and I think Charleston Cally is a great school for you
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because it is. To be honest with you, I was really excited to
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coach there because academics is first, and that's I don't have to preach at
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as much right now, but that is my main goal because this is high
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school sports to me, So academics come first. I think, yes and
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no. I mean, obviously these guys are used to some structure, and
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maybe they like structure. But I don't see why we can't do that at
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you know, a different school and whatnot. I think when you step on
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the basketball court, who you are as a basketball player is going to show
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how you do things, how detailed you are. I mean, you know,
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there's the best basketball players that I know and I've seen i've coached against
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in high school are just as detailed. When they shake my hand, they
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look me straight, no, they say they call me coach, they give
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me a respect level, they do the little things. So to answer your
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question, yes and no, I've definitely seen there's you know, I have
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my two years at South Charleston had five years Charleston Catholic. There's positives of
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both and there's negatives to both as coming from a coach, like how how
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you respond to your players, what you get out of them, but their
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everyday lives could be different, right, But a little bit of I mean
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there's a little bit of every coaching personalities everywhere got you. So let me
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ask you this as far as you won the Double A title this year,
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and we'll talk about some of your players later in the show, but you
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were runner up slash year, so you lost in the title game. Who
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lost to Chapmanville. Chapmanville, I would say that they were actually a really
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good team. So what did you learn from that loss moving forward to this
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season to help you win the championships? Yeah? I think that's a great
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question because I think the last year's lost really really helped us as a group.
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We had five starters come back. So from a player and a basketball
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standpoint, all of those guys got bigger, faster, stronger. Naturally,
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they got old and they've all been there, They've all played in the big
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game. Now they understand that the state tournament, that week of distraction is
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what we call it. They get a little more comfortable. I think that
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that year that we lost, we're a little too satisfied to be back in
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the championship game. It was the first time cath I could have been back
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since I think twenty fourteen, and myself included, we were just too satisfied
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with, oh my goodness, we're playing in the state championship game. I
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never played in the state championship game in high school, and obviously I was
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the first one I coached, so I didn't feel like I was myself that
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game. I felt like I was. I'm very emotional when I coach,
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and I didn't show enough emotion, and I told myself this year, I'm
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going to be myself. I don't you know, I don't care how I'm
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judged. I don't care how Tell me a little bit about that emotion.
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Like you say you're emotional as a coach, and you didn't show enough during
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the game. Give me a description of what that look like sounds like.
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So when I when I play sports, or when I used to play sports,
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and now when I coach, I feel like I'm a totally different person.
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I kind of shy off the court and whatnot. But when I get
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on the court kind of turn into a different person. And that's why my
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mom says that all the time. She's like, you are just I don't
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even know that's a totally different person. I don't know exactly where that comes
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from. But I'm very passionate about what I do and I'm very detailed,
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and our practices are so tough, and we go over so many things.
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We don't want to change. We want to play how we practice. We
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don't want to go in the game and say, Okay, we're gonna we're
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gonna close out this way, We're going to you know, make an entry
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pass this way, We're going to do this, and then when the game
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comes we don't do it. I have to let them know, hey,
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what are we doing? Like, I have to let them know that a
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scream is that it can be. It depends who it is is. Sometimes
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it sometimes guys that play better when I yell at them, sometimes they don't.
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To get back more into the champ ship game, I just felt like
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I was I was still coaching. But these guys can read you. They
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know me is just as well as I know them. They could see it,
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and I don't think I just had that passion and energy. Now this
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year's game, I felt like I was extremely calm though, because it's weird
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both games Chappinville. We started out the game we went down ten nothing.
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I told coach with shocking k before the game of Bluefield, if we go
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if we go down six to nothing, I'm calling a time out. I'm
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not letting it get to ten. And it was fun with we went down
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eight nothing to start this year versus Bluefield, our guys responded the right way.
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I think I was passionate and emotional, but at the same time I
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was calm. I didn't get on guys too early for little mistakes things like
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that. I don't even know if that answers your question, but like I
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just I'm a different person when I coach, and I know that I need
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to be myself and I know everybody in the stands is watching, but it
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doesn't matter. You just got to be yourself, just like you're in practice.
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See it's interesting to me because whether player, coach, or whatever,
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I don't know where I learned the idea, and I'm curious about your thoughts
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on this. Hollis too, is like when you shut off everybody, like
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whether it be the fan base, parents, whomever. Like for me,
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playing football was playing football, and it was I didn't worry about what a
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coach is going to say, everything that would happen to me, coach called
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me, pulled me out, or whatever. That's in that moment for just
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that second, and then I'm right back into the game, you know.
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So I don't know if I've ever been for me, I don't know how
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to even process some of that because I don't. I'm I'm just simply in
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that moment, you know. I think that is the processing of it.
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And I know that for example, I felt that probably more as a coach
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than a player, Like being a player, you get lost in the game,
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but also you have that same feeling as a coach, like because I
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know, like at the times when I coached, I was never a head
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coach. I was, you know, an assistant position coach, but I
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would I would have things going on in my life outside of that, things
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you got to deal with before the game or practice, things you gotta deal
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with after. But while I'm in the game, it would almost be a
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relief because I would be so into the game there was nothing else. I'm
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almost to the factory. You're like lost in the game. You're like lost
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within this this thing, and it's just it's the most beautifulest feeling ever.
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And I knew, and just to put a cap on it, I knew
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it was time to stop coaching, because when I was, my mind would
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start to wonder about other things. I'm starting to hear people in the stands
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because I can tell you, like, there would be times when I'm coaching,
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I don't even hear somebody, Like I don't even hear what's going on
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out there, you know what I mean. So it's it's really a beautiful
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and the same and the same thing is true to me, Like and I'm
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curious about what you're going to say to this, Like I was not interested
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in I didn't when I was at State. I didn't hear a fan,
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you know, I didn't hear anybody say anything that one year at South Charleston.
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I can hear it all, And in my mind, I kept thinking
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to myself, like why am I hearing them? Why am I not?
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I'm not locked in to the game itself, to to to every single detail
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that's happening in the game, because if all those details are in your head.
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I ain't got room for the dude on the fence. But I also
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think too that there were things happening on our sidelines that drew your attention away,
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awesoth you know, kids going to the fence, talking to parents and
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talking to kids, and like I was aware of that. So I felt
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like that was something that I needed to deal with, which would take me
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from from the game. I can remember that. I'll just say, I
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know, I let you respond, coach, but I can remember vividly.
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You know, I'm coaching. I was a OC and the middle school and
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I'm coaching. I'm all into it. And I heard somebody say something and
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I snapped them much, you know, I just I snapped. But it's
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normal, you know what I'm saying. That's not even normally how I would
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talk. But I just, you know, I gave something real quick and
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got right back to it, you know. And it's crazy because you do
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realize that it's not it's not what you would typically not do there. But
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I was so into it, like you distracted me, you know, get
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on. You know. I don't think I was not locked in when we
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lost. I think I was extremely locked in. But maybe I was too
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locked in or maybe I don't really know. I just felt like I didn't
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didn't coach well that day, and I felt like this year I was so
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Now. Obviously I couldn't eat much of the day of and the whole state
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tournament, I was super nervous. But I think nervous is before the game
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is a good thing because you care about it. It's natural, right.
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But once the game got going, even during warm ups, I felt so
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more comfortable this year. And it's something that you just can't be todd as
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experience. And we were trying to shy away from the first year when we
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lost, Oh we don't have a lot of experience. We were like,
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oh, that doesn't matter, that doesn't matter. Doesn't Well I think it
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does, and it's easier to say now after we've won, having a little
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experience can just calm your nerves a little bit. What if you were to
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look at you're a top player, and his performance in the first year that
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you lost, and his performance in the year that you won, this year
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that you won, could you see his his change in play, and if
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so, what was that all five of them? I could say that for
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all five of the starters that came back. I could say that for every
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single one of those guys, they I don't care about their stat line.
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I don't even remember what their stat line is for when we lost, and
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and to be honest, when we won, I can tell when these guys
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I just know them well. And this year they responded the right way.
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Down eight points at halftime, right and to a really good blue Field team
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no shot clock. It's kind of tough when you get down eight or ten
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points. You know the other team doesn't have to shoot. So and all
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five of them played from a mental standpoint, they were a lot better.
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And for example, Jay Allen Turner, you know that was kind of our
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our I mean, that's our guy. This year he was. It was
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really good for us and all time leading score at Catholic. Now he only
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shot the ball three times in the first half, and this is his last
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game of his career. We know there's no more tomorrow. We go into
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halftime. Jay, you gotta get more shots. You gotta find more shots.
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He's really efficient guy, but he stepped out of his comfort zone.
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He forced a little more action. He still got us into our offense.
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He played great defense, he hit the boards, little things like that.
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I mean, you have a guy like Maxwell Cox that his sophomore year we
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lost at Ravenswood. He missed some free throws. He hit clutch free throws
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for us this game. Jeff Reynolds our vocal leader. He was constantly talking
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the whole time. And I don't always tell the guys when you're talking,
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when we're like, it's not just me. I want to I tell the
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guys all the time, it's your team. It's your team. I get
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the I can come back and do this every year. This is your team.
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Jeff Reynolds constantly talking. Gio Cinco. You might have a turnover,
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but it's okay. Keep playing. Zayan Ranson, who was only a sophomore,
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is a grown man. I mean the rebounds that he gets. He
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hit some big shots and big free throws. I think he actually let us
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in scoring. And to be honest with he's a passer. First. I
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told him forty game, you have to shoot. All five of those guys
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stepped up from the previous year. And that's from just maturity. They've been
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here before. They know what to do. And I want to talk about
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because we had coach Pat Jones coaching Nitro, he won the Triple A title
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this year, and what he talked about a lot was his coaching staff.
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And I'm starting to see a theme here. You know, he had some
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definitely some some og veteran legend coaches in the area. And you have sort
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of that same relationship that he has to his assistance, where you guys were
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friends on and off the court court. It's not just a co worker quote
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unquote relationship. So talk about how important those your your your coaching staff is
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in order to get this championship. We can't do anything great by yourself,
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like you just can't. You have to have great people around you. And
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with Shaq and k Devin Harris, like I said, I grew up with
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them. And then Ricky Nelson who teaches at the he brings a great aspect.
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He played football at Fairmont, went to Capitol High School and just brings
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a good administrative point to us. But I gave a lot of credit and
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I tried to give as much credit as I can because I felt like our
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halftime adjustments were huge in the championship game. And that came from Rashad and
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Devin. Like Rashad was saying, Hey, this is what we need to
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get into keep the ball off the side, keep it in the middle.
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He pointed out to the team, we haven't shot one free throw in the
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first half. We got to get to the free throw line, and the
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guys did that. Devin made some huge points about matchups we need to get
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keep Jalen on r J. Harrison's throwing that off a little bit. His
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athleticism keeps Jayden on the shooter. Let Jeff go on Gore Like, that's
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all Devin Harris, right, And that's what I mean by And maybe I
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should clarify the head coach gets all the The head coach maybe gets too much
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praise when you win, and maybe takes too much blame when lose. Right,
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I think it's a team effort. I don't. I mean, I
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just I don't think it's it's just not about me. And without those guys,
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this thing doesn't happen. Right, Like, if you go to practice
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every day and they hear the Sam exact voice all the time, they're gonna
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get tired of that. They need they need Sean and Dev to talk to
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them individually. I kind of what we explain it is. I might look
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at the overall picture five on five they really get into the detail of a
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jay work on this move. I see you can do this even at halftime.
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I can see Devin out here a you know go. And those guys
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were guards. I played more as a big man or forward, so we
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get a little bit of every position in that. I just I love coaching
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with them. I love I mean, I get to it's like us hanging
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out. This is what we love to do. We love to coach,
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we love to talk x's and o's, and we get to do it all
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the time. It's interesting to me, And I'm curious about what you think
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to this, because I get passion, I get emotion and all of those
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kinds of things. But I'm watching whether it be middle school, you know,
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the higher level of youth sports and you and you get like, there's
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a couple of our kids that are super talented in our youth basketball All Star
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program. And but any kind of pressure, any kind of like you know,
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throw the ball out of bounds or get a call on it, they're
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in tears. Where do where? When does that is there an idea of
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that's just going to naturally stop? Because I never I don't know that time
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when I was growing up because if you were doing that, you were you
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know, you were getting joked and so you didn't like we didn't have that.
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That's something that I see now. Is that a parent child issue or
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is that a child issue? Or is that a coach child issue. I
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think every situation is different, and I think sometimes it could be either one
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of those or all of those. It just depends for for every for every
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person. Just like talking for myself, I think I was didn't know how
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to channel that emotion when I was younger and powdered too much. But I
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don't know if it was my mom and dad. I mean, obviously I
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think it was mainly them because I'm with them the most and they're telling me,
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you know, you gotta you know X, Y and Z. But
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had some good coaches you have to understand as a player. And maybe it
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is with age too, right, you're talking about some younger, younger people,
25:37
Maybe they're not ready for that. But if we're constantly putting into her
25:40
brain, maybe they'll learn it a little quicker. Adversity is gonna come.
25:45
How you're gonna handle it. You're not gonna play a perfect game. No
25:48
one's ever gonna play a perfect game. We didn't play a perfect game last
25:51
Saturday, and we won a state championship. You're not gonna play a perfect
25:53
game. It is what it is. It's how you respond to mistakes.
25:57
We only we only call a mistake if you don't learn from it. Little
26:00
stuff like that. So if we can pro like kind of not program,
26:04
but start teaching them at a younger age, maybe of these little things that
26:08
the sports is more than just your skill and your physicality. I mean it
26:12
is. That's the odd test, right. You know, Lebron's Lebron because
26:15
of his body, right, but mentally Lebron is Lebron because mentally he's at
26:19
a different level. So that we got to start training more on the mental
26:25
side and not so much dribble through the cone and shoot a step back all
26:29
the time. Mentally. Getting these boys and girls tougher will will help them
26:34
in the long run, because guess what, not all of us are gonna
26:37
play professional sports. Most of us aren't. Most of us aren't even going
26:41
to play in college. So what's the point of this. The point is
26:44
to teach them life lessons through the sport. That's what sports are so great
26:48
about. We're not all gonna be champions. We're not all gonna get paid
26:52
to play. So there's a bigger picture to that. Is there something Is
26:56
there something that we might want to do at the rec center prior to our
27:04
sports programs with parents and the and the kids, trying to explain to them
27:11
this is just an opportunity. The City of South Charleston is just providing you
27:15
an opportunity to participate in sports and learn some of these life lessons. And
27:21
and it's it's not even the competitiveness. It's not even about the wins and
27:26
losses as much as it is about teaching your children a sport or these sports
27:33
and having fun. Because if if mom and dad is going crazy from the
27:38
bleachers and and you know, and and you see, I mean, you
27:42
know how the whole thing is going somewhere, We've got to we've got to
27:47
turn this thing back the other way. If we want if we want the
27:51
if we want these kids to get a message to learn something, we've got
27:57
to teach the people in the bleachers with something first. And maybe maybe even
28:03
some of the coaches. I think that's a hard sell. You gotta you
28:08
gotta focus on the coaches because I can't regulate I can't coach mom and dad
28:14
unfortunately. So I think that if you're going to have that sort of conversation,
28:18
it has to start with the coaches, and the coaches have to be
28:22
the one, like coach Moses said, like, they have to be the
28:26
one that constantly say that, because if I'm constantly saying something, it's gonna
28:30
stick eventually. You know, I can't really worry about what the parents are
28:33
doing or they're not doing. That's just the uncontrollable. But I think if
28:37
you can control the control, which is the coaches, I don't know if
28:41
I'm trying to control them. I'm just thinking that I want to let them
28:44
know what what what is the purpose of the sport itself? You know,
28:49
it seems like a fruitless conversation. If they're gonna listen, if they're going
28:56
to buy in, and that's everyone's opinion they can have, they can listen
28:59
who to want to. So both of you are correct, it's going to
29:02
be difficult either way. Does it hurt to try to give them that talk
29:07
and and not and tell them you're coming from a good space. I think
29:11
positivity and negativity is contagious. If you're coming off and you're trying to boss
29:15
people around and tell them no, do this, do this, do this.
29:18
Naturally, sometimes I don't want to listen to this, Go wat should
29:21
I listen? So if you can show them like, hey, you know,
29:25
buy into this, good things will happen for your son or daughter and
29:29
you'll learn that way. But it's definitely a difficult conversation when the kids are
29:34
so young. I'm lucky because I talk about middle I think middle school is
29:37
one of the hardest age as a coach. I think it's hard to adapt
29:41
to kids are in that in between stage of am I going to take this
29:45
serious? Am I not? And I think high school for me is a
29:48
little bit easier to get through, to be honest with you. So and
29:52
the youth is talk about coaches. I mean a lot of these coaches are
29:56
just somebody's somebody's mom or dad that that's hopping in because they don't have somebody.
30:00
So it is big, But can we do a better job of maybe
30:06
putting them through it's just the time part of it too, But giving them
30:10
a coach's clinic, giving them a thirty minute you know something, a video
30:14
or a talk about you know this professional says this is the best way.
30:18
There's definitely things we can try to do, but at the end of the
30:21
day, everyone's gonna have to buy in. Everybody's gonna have to want to
30:25
get better mentally, tough wise, not just Okay, well we're doing this,
30:30
we're running this play in this play and this play. Do I remember
30:33
and biddy ball or whatnot? If we won? Yeah, I do remember
30:38
we won, But I can't tell you the score. I can't tell you
30:41
how many points I had. I can't tell you all that stuff that's gone.
30:45
But I can tell you that the times that my mom was so mad
30:48
at me when I got in the car because I acted the wrong way and
30:52
I was acting like just I was just pounting. Basically. I remember the
30:56
times when coaches would would try to to me and stuff. I don't.
31:00
I think if we can understand that that you're there is things that these these
31:06
kids are gonna remember. But it's not always a score. Yeah, I
31:08
mean I still got the trophy somewhere, probably right, But I mean,
31:14
if the lesson, it's the lessons. If winning the third grade championships the
31:18
biggest thing you accomplished in life, what are we doing right? You gotta
31:21
keep working like somebody just talking to somebody. Coach Amy Mallin, she's the
31:26
women's soccer coach at Charleston Catholic SORR. This morning, she just won.
31:29
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back to the conversation. All right, ladies and gentlemen, appreciate it.
32:15
We just needed a quick break. I didn't want to interrupt Hunter, but
32:17
Hunter jump back into kind of I think you were closing out on my thoughts
32:22
about having a discussion with parents about you know, what the expectations should be,
32:30
and you were kind of closing that out, but go ahead. Yeah,
32:32
it's bigger than the game of basketball. And I'm just talking about for
32:36
basketball because it's in my sport, whatever sport you're playing, but it's bigger
32:38
than basketball. And was talking to coach Amy Mallins, she's won five straight
32:43
girls state championships at the girl soccer team at Charleston Catholic, and she says,
32:47
you know, that's a great feeling, isn't it. She says,
32:50
how do you get back there? And that's exactly what we're thinking about.
32:52
How do we get back there? How do we get this feeling again?
32:55
So if all we're worried about is just winning now, winning that third grade
33:00
or whatever, we got to teach them that there's more. You gotta keep
33:02
working, win or lose, you have to keep going. So maybe we
33:07
got to focus more on the mental side teaching our kids. You know,
33:09
we got to keep going, win or lose, you're gonna have to move
33:14
on. Let me ask you this, as far as the structure Catholic,
33:20
you have the middle school in the high school all in one building. Yeah,
33:23
essentially, so do you as the coach of the high school, do
33:29
you coach the middle school as well or what's that relationship. Yeah, they
33:32
got separate coaches. Obviously, I try to not get involved, but I
33:37
try to watch as bunch as I can. I want to see what we
33:39
have coming up. This senior class I had now was actually the first class
33:44
I've had from freshman to senior. So that makes it special for me because
33:46
I've seen I remember watching Jaellen Turner, Jeff Reynolds, j Justsein Brammer,
33:52
Gio Sinko in middle school and going to their games, and I was sitting
33:55
next to Marshall Pile and Thomas Blade and Aiden Satterfield AND's Island Soueth where like,
34:00
Hey, this guy is gonna be good. He's gonna do this and
34:02
this, and so we we do those type of things. But I'm not
34:07
they have their own coach. I'm not telling them what to run. I'm
34:09
not telling them how to run their practice things like that. Some of the
34:14
kids, like I talked about middle schools that weird aays are figuring things out.
34:17
A lot of kids are play in middle school, don't play in high
34:20
school. And that's fine, that's not a discredit to to me or anything
34:22
like that. That's just that's not what they want to put their time into.
34:25
Because we put a lot of time into this. I mean it's Monday
34:29
through Saturday. I mean we're doing stuff the whole time, and and that's
34:32
just November to March out of the season is really when you get the work
34:37
in. So middle school's got their own role, just like at h at
34:39
the Kenall County schools at the public level. What what give me a little
34:45
bit about your off off season programs, Like what do you what do you
34:52
spend your time on and focus on most? Is it getting bigger, stronger,
34:58
faster, all of those kind of things, or is it in part
35:01
also you know, the structure of how you want to play the game coming
35:07
in in the in the season. So it's kind of changed from last year.
35:12
We at Catholic we have a lot of multa sport athletes. I think
35:15
I only had on this year's team two or three guys that only play basketball.
35:20
Out of nineteen players, I think two or three of them only play
35:22
basketball. So do you support that you encourage you saw the bio right,
35:29
of course I support that. I played it in college where no one told
35:31
me I would be able to do it and keep my grades up and play
35:35
and actually get playing time. So yeah, I supported one hundred percent.
35:39
But I think three sports is a lot in high school. I think two
35:44
is one thing, but I think three is kind of tough. I'll put
35:47
that out there, but that it just depends the kid in the sport.
35:52
The summertime, we want to get bigger, faster, stronger. We had
35:55
weightlifting, and we had you know, certain guys were coming, certain guys
36:01
weren't. Sometimes its because they're in a different season. I don't think I
36:06
lifted weights enough when I was in high school. I think I could have
36:08
been a lot, you know, a lot better if I would have lifted
36:12
more. It's just getting getting over those first two weeks, getting your body
36:16
real sore, and getting into a routine if you can stay with that routine.
36:21
So we would lift weights leading up to the season. We used to
36:24
have that three week period right like where you can practice. They just took
36:28
that away and now you have thirty two flex days and you use that how
36:31
you want to. So we would have the three week period where we would
36:35
have freshmen coming in that don't know how we practice. You mentioned do we
36:39
work on how we play? We don't really. We said we're working how
36:44
we practice. We're setting the tone of this is how we practice. Here's
36:46
our base drills that we're probably going to do a lot. Let's teach them
36:51
how we close out. Let's teach them, you know, the details,
36:53
how we rip through, how we do practice. Like I was talking about
36:58
earlier, I want to get them to learn in the three week period or
37:00
our flex days, this is how we practice. Then when practice officially starts,
37:06
we get into those x's and those here's your secondary break, here's your
37:10
offense and whatnot. Our most important drill is shell drill four v four defense.
37:15
We take pride in defense and rebounding, So we start showing them breaking
37:20
them, breaking it down a little bit in the summertime, so when official
37:24
practice starts, we can try to hit that thing running a little bit,
37:29
not so much five on five and whatnot. More skill development. But you
37:34
go to these shootouts and play two which can be good, can be bad.
37:37
I mean last year, last summer, we didn't have all of our
37:40
guys. We went to the shootout, we were good. We were losing
37:43
every game. We just want to state championship. So I don't think winning
37:45
and losing those shootouts in the summer really matter the score. I think it's
37:50
just for development of your team and you get to see new guys that maybe
37:53
you haven't seen play against other people. That's a good point, Hollis,
38:00
if you had to pick two sports that you you know, I played three
38:06
sports. I ran track, but all all of mine were specific basketball,
38:09
football, and track. Yeah, and and and I use those all for
38:15
football. You know, I can tell you right now, whatever sports you
38:21
play, run track. I think to me, track is the sport that
38:29
off I think elite athletes are picking it back up those athletes who actually are
38:36
have professional dreams, who have power five. But you go through the South,
38:39
all the skilled football player, even the big guys, they all run
38:43
track, throw hammer whatever. To me, if you are a serious soccer
38:47
player, football player, even a basketball player, to me, I think
38:52
it is critical and should be mandatory that you run track because I think it
38:57
helps with athletic development. If you're bigger, like you said, faster,
39:00
stronger, and track can get you there. We talked about last week.
39:04
When you look at those hundred meter runners, now when you look at the
39:07
four hundred to two hundred meter guys. They don't look These ain't the slim
39:10
guys. These look like running backs. These guys have quad as big as
39:15
your head. So I think, to me, if I had to pick
39:19
whatever other sport you're playing, if you're playing baseball player, run track,
39:22
if you're a tennis run track. I think just track or even cross country
39:27
to me are critical the concept of focusing on a sport. And we haven't
39:37
really dived into that piece of it. But if I don't know any great
39:46
athlete, any great athlete that's come out of the state of West Virginia or
39:52
really anywhere, who specifically focused on one sport. Yeah, I you look
40:00
at the guys that went Division one from South Charles and our coach, you
40:02
look at Trey Dunn, Bosley, Mondre, Harris Conley, you looked at
40:10
you know, all those guys. All those guys were two and three sport
40:14
athletes and every single one of them. So where where is the who made
40:17
the first comment of focusing on one sport and then everybody was thinking, oh,
40:22
my kids, just a basketball. I think I think that probably in
40:25
the last probably twenty years, it's one of them things that got brought up.
40:30
But I think that's slowly dying. I think people are realizing that.
40:34
You think it's going to do you think it's yeah, I think it is.
40:36
I think you're realizing now because I think what happened was I think you
40:39
had this big emergence of these trainers, and I'll say quote unquote trainers who
40:45
it was to their benefit to say, hey, only focus on this and
40:47
then instead of playing that other sport, you could just train with me all
40:51
year. But I think what people are realizing is that, for example,
40:54
if I'm a basketball player, that is the ultimate football basketball. These are
40:59
team sports, team games, and I think that you know, you need
41:04
to have something else besides that, like a track, even a swimming or
41:07
even a baseball where you have that single like it's just me like So that
41:14
way, I think not only can you develop athletically, but you also develop
41:17
a mentality that you have to take care of your business because when you're running
41:22
a hundred men, you've been there before two hundred meters. Hey, bro,
41:24
ain't no ain't no tagging, Ain't nobody else gonna come and say you
41:28
if you get dusted, it's just you and everybody seeing you humping the puff
41:32
for the last place, and I don't know and see, to me,
41:36
I think track is the hardest. I think the reason why track is numbers
41:40
are down because I don't want hundred outrun me. And then I got you.
41:45
That's what I'm about to say that I don't want it. I don't
41:46
want I don't want anybody to see that. To me, it's the ultimate.
41:52
Track to me, is the ultimate competition because it's a lot most of
41:55
those sports, even if you take the relays for your poortial, it's just
42:00
you. But it's just you. Ain't nobody else coming to save you.
42:04
And and and I ran track my senior year in because again I college in
42:08
college, and and you couldn't do it in football in college because you had
42:16
springball. And so once I got to be, you know, a senior
42:21
before I was, you know, the whole draft and all that kind of
42:23
stuff, I jumped into in the track and you know, I'm running a
42:30
hundred to two hundred and and and and coach got me into the in the
42:35
four by four, and I was like, man, I'm not interested in
42:39
you know, I'm not in this for this that that doesn't apply to me.
42:43
I'm just trying to be fast right, you know. And here's the
42:45
crazy thing. I wasn't winning the hundred. I wasn't winning the two hundred.
42:51
So his thoughts were get better at the four hundred. Well, my
42:55
whole my whole football training and my off season training down to the state.
43:02
So that's who we blame for that, that's who we blame. That track
43:07
comes und Yes, look Jesus, that was all I mean you your test
43:13
coming into stated was four four four hundreds, four two hundreds and for one
43:19
hundred lord with you know, minute minute and a half in between and you
43:23
and look, I'm telling you some of the best athletes ever. And I
43:30
hate to put that. I hate to put v out there like that Cunningham.
43:36
You know, so if you're listening, it's all respect. But we
43:39
had him been over like he he fell over into the inside of the track
43:45
like he was dying. Yeah. I've seen Look, I've seen dudes like
43:50
just just sleep like at they sleep on the field. Throw it up.
43:57
I've seen it all out. Yeah, And I don't know if we understand
44:01
that type of commitment that players make and want to make, because if you
44:09
can make the case how many kids, let's assume that you're v okay and
44:15
you're stretched out or balled up into a little ball inside of the track,
44:20
sick as a dog. Why don't you quit? Yeah, most I'm gonna
44:25
make the case that today, that child or that child's parent, it's thinking
44:31
he's crazy. We ain't. We ain't doing this. We're going today.
44:36
I think today, I think and and coach can answer this. I think
44:40
if you have a commitment to winning, if you have you know, a
44:45
program, a coach that you respect, and somebody who you feel could take
44:50
you to that level, I think I think you can get that out.
44:52
I think you've probably gotten more out of kids than maybe what you thought.
44:55
No, definitely, we've had some guys that definitely like work really hard.
45:00
I just think there's levels to all of it. Right, Like you're going
45:02
to play in college is a different than you know you're doing that at middle
45:06
school. It depends how much you want it. That's real. It is
45:08
because I remember going up to Tech you had to make the two mile time.
45:13
We had a two mile time for soccer, two mile time bill players.
45:17
I played goalie thankfully because film players had to make it in thirteen minutes.
45:22
You had two miles and thirteen goalies had to make it in fourteen thirty.
45:25
Oh, I made the time. I'm trying to get three miles in
45:30
thirty minutes. Hey, I made the time the first time. But I
45:36
was like, I was like, v over there that I got. Two
45:37
of my friends, Tyler Faby and Craig Mitchell, they say, to this
45:42
day, my first memory is looking over at Herr Moles and this pale,
45:45
little red headed kid, and they said, we thought he was gonna die.
45:49
You had to make two miles and fourteen I moved in. I moved
45:52
in, moved in that day and they were like, yeah, we got
45:55
the two mile. Later, I said, today we just moved in.
45:59
We had to do it TODAYB thirty up at the fifth. So yeah,
46:04
it depends how much do you want it. And I don't know if and
46:07
whether we call it old school new school, and I'm just gonna separate it
46:13
by saying that's old school. I don't know if new school understands that kind
46:16
of commitment. I think I think it's levels. I don't know if maybe
46:22
I think maybe there was a different maybe earlier later. I think it's levels.
46:27
I think depending on who you are now again, maybe as a masses
46:31
no, but it's levels too now because I got guys right now that they
46:36
might not go playing college and they probably are getting they might know that.
46:39
But I got some guys at work, man, they're workers, they work.
46:43
So it's not everybody, but there is levels to it. Let me
46:46
ask you, like, being a two sport athlete at the collegiate level,
46:52
what was your mentality far as going from soccer, which is rigorous. You
46:59
know, it's constant running, it's constant moving in motion and being and I
47:02
would say probably goalies maybe one of the most mentally agonizing positions to play in
47:08
sports, right, you know what I mean? Because really again, it's
47:12
one of them things where it's kind of all on you. I mean,
47:14
I'm sure there's some team there, but going from that to hooping, Like,
47:20
what was the mentality that you have? So before I get in there,
47:22
you bring up a really good point and maybe that's where some of my
47:24
coaching philosophy comes from. To your very original question, is being a goalie?
47:30
You know, I grew up being a goalie. Goalkeeper training is so
47:32
hard. One on one, dive and get up, dive and get up.
47:37
I mean you're doing that for sixty minutes you're doing all that just to
47:39
be ready to make one save in the game. You're either the hero you
47:44
made the save or you got scored on and it's your fault. You lost
47:47
the game because you let a goal in. So maybe that's where my mentality
47:51
comes from, too, is being a goalie bestally my whole life. That
47:53
one time when we was little, I guess they said he wants to play
47:55
goalie, and I was like, I do it, and I just jumped
47:58
in there and ever since I was doing it. But Uh, to your
48:01
college question, I had coaches that were letting me do this. And I'm
48:07
gonna say this, we got coaches right now. You say it's trainers,
48:12
it's also coaches that want their guys and girls to only play one sport.
48:15
That's a good point. They only want to play one sport. Jay Allen
48:19
Turner comes to me before in the summer, says, coach, I'm thinking
48:22
about playing soccer this year. He hadn't played all high school, but he
48:25
grew up playing soccer through middle school. He hadn't played senior year. Wants
48:29
to go play soccer. Jay, I don't think it's the best decision because
48:32
it's going to take time away from you getting in the gym. But if
48:36
you are passionate about it, go do it. Go win a state chip.
48:39
They lost in the in the final in PKS. He was just starting
48:42
forward, right. I'm going to encourage him because that's what he wants to
48:45
do. It's bigger than basketball. He's playing with his lifelong friends, and
48:52
it's bigger than that. So when I had coaches that were bought in that,
48:58
when I went to school for preseason soccer, I might if I had
49:01
a day, I'd go watch basketball practice. Coach Williams didn't make me practice.
49:06
He didn't say you have to go do this, dude. Now,
49:08
if I could shoot some, I would try, but my body would be
49:13
so banged up during the season and we're traveling all the time and classes.
49:15
It was tough. So you know, let's say our season finished on Saturday.
49:22
Hey, coach, get me Sunday off. I'll be there Monday.
49:23
That would he said, take as much time as you need. But me,
49:27
I'm right back into it. Also, I adjusted well because my basketball
49:31
game is team oriented and I'm not no big time volume shooter score I'm a
49:37
rebounder. I'm gonna take charges, I'm gonna die for loose balls. I'm
49:39
gonna play hard. I'm gonna pick up the plays the first time you show
49:43
it to me. So it's easy to adjust. And I probably already know
49:45
him because I came and watched them in practice. So I'm fine with defending.
49:50
I don't care about scoring. I'll take a lay up once you you
49:53
know, hit me off of a drive or whatnot. So I wasn't the
49:57
main guy on the basketball court either. So that's a little different from being
50:00
a twenty point scorer or you know, you're playing a little bit bigger role.
50:05
Not saying my role wasn't big, It's just it's different. I could
50:07
just come in and physically just work my butt off the coach. And I
50:13
think the guys I didn't go through preseason with basketball, some of them had
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to feel a certain type of way, Hey, why does this guy get
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to come in and he didn't go through all this running with this. I
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think when you run with each other, you naturally get closer, like when
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you go through those workouts and then you go to the calf afterwards and you
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sit there and like, oh my goodness, I can't believe we just had
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to do that. But I had to come into basketball out of soccer and
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show these guys, hey, I'm here to work. So I just had
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to really work hard. And I didn't care about starting. I didn't think
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I was going to start. They've already played like three or four games basketball
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before I even came back to the team from soccer. I don't care about
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starting. I just want to win, that's all. I just want to
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win. And so hopefully that answers your question. That's beautiful. Yeah,
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and challenge. And I think too, I think one of the hard things
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to do for kids now coming through the system is understanding that there is there
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is a time that you might not be the best player, and Quentin is
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not the is not the option. Sit on that bench, you know,
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practice and get better so that at some point you're going you're gonna be able
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to be, let's say, a starter in in two different sports, you
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know, because I don't see. My problem is, I don't know if
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we have the patience, Like I'm not. I'm not coming to play quarterback
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at at State because Hollis is there. Yeah, I gotta sit for two
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years. I agree. I agree. I'm saying I think I think that
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we feel we need that instant gratification to secure our own idea of how good
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we are. And can I say this was a four year basketball start at
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rushing attach also play with shot in college, they brought in a different point
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guard every summer. You gotta earn your spot every year when it comes to
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college. It's not like, oh, well I'm the guy now, No,
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we're bringing in another guy in the summer and you gotta win your job
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again. And see, and I think we're teaching I think we're teaching the
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young kids totally the opposite type of thing that the success that you want them
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ultimately to have in college get its college scholarship. It doesn't line itself up
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what you're trying, what you're teaching them with, how you're acting, how
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you're teaching them does not line up with college. Because man, you can
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go to college and you can sit two years. I mean, and let's
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just assume that you go to Alabama back with in a Nick saban era,
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you could you could sit for two years behind an All American who's gonna get
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a be a first round draft pick. You mad you gonna leave, yeah,
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because at some point you gonna be that guy and somebody else is gonna
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be sitting behind you, and I just don't like, I don't understand,
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and I can't. I don't know if I could express it in a way
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to say playing isn't everything sometimes learning, sitting and watching is everything. I
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mean, for me, I watched Robert Alexander train. He talked to me
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about how he would do it, how he would feel. I wanted to
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feel that way, you know what I'm saying. I'm like, Okay,
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I'm gonna start training that way, and I want to feel that pain that
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he's feeling. I don't think we want that now like I think we want
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our individual opportunities. I want to start in youth football. I'm gonna go
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to middle school and I'm gonna start in middle school, and I'm gonna go
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to high school. I'm gonna start in high school all four years. I'm
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gonna get a D one scholarship, and I'm gonna go to college and I'm
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gonna start. If all that is true and you get to college, you're
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gonna be shocked when you get to college because you're gonna have no idea because
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they're not bringing you in as a freshman to be a player. Rarely and
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tell me for you think I'm wrong. Rarely is especially in the d one.
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Rarely are you are you being brought in given a scholarship to become a
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starter. As a friend, I got very I got very, very lucky
54:31
when I went to Western Tech for soccer that the goalie beforehand was a senior.
54:37
But like they're all their goalies were seniors. So I come into a
54:42
fresh class where we have you know, really two we had three goalies,
54:45
but two fighting for that starting spot as freshmen. That doesn't happen a lot,
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you get what I'm saying, So we don't have a when you're going
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in as a freshman, like I was trying to tell Aiden Satterfield this all
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the time, like, hey man, you might go in red shirt.
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There's nothing wrong with that practice and there is nothing wrong with that. I
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also think Jaalen Turner was a freshman when he had Aiden, Saturfill and Zion
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that were seniors that helped him learn how to do these things. Like you're
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saying, you had someone to look up to. Like I said in the
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beginning, you have to surround yourself with great people. You can't do it
55:16
by yourself. And to that point, like I said, you mentioned Saturfield,
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you mentioned Zion, those were those are some of the best players in
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the valley during the area and you probably had maybe, if not the best
55:30
player, maybe one of the best players in the valley in the state for
55:32
that matter, in Turner. Just talk about him a little bit before we
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go in far as where you see him projecting and going in the future.
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For Jay Allen, Yeah, I mean he's special, man, He really
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is. He's really special. He he's such a good human being off the
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court. That's what I love about him the most. He's so humble,
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Like you're giving him all these credit and you can go and we have a
55:59
whole show just and all of his accomplishments. But he's so humble. He's
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a good person, like he's when we do stuff with the kids. He's
56:06
good at that stuff. His college decision is still up in the air.
56:09
It's wide open, to be dead and honest with you. And I'm very,
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very biased, and I just don't understand why he's not getting a little
56:17
more looks. I'm educated enough that know the transfer portal plays a big role.
56:22
People who are in win now, and I know a college coach,
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you know that's that's their income, for their family. They gotta win.
56:30
So if they might not have Tom to take a chance, Tom to develop
56:35
somebody. I'll tell you before the show. J Allen's young for his class.
56:37
So can you imagine if he was a junior this year. Can you
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imagine if he gets into a good program Red Shirts develops, learns the way
56:45
they practice works on his body. I mean you have to as a player,
56:50
though, No I go from the top spotlight, I go from winning
56:52
the state championship. He's gonna get all these awards. Now you got to
56:55
go back to the bottom and you got it. You got it. You
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gotta work your way in two or three years. I think mister Shadowfield seeing
57:02
that now a little bit he had to work. Now he's getting back into
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the news. Now he's getting back into the big shot at YEP University.
57:10
So he had a good end of his year this year. But ain't will
57:15
tell you it was hard the first couple of years coming off from being that
57:19
captain first team on state. Like you, you're playing a lot of different
57:22
people and naturally it takes a little time. So he's gonna have to to
57:27
buy into that if that's his role. But a lot of Division twos,
57:30
lots of looks, lots of offers, but still wide open. And what
57:35
I like about Turner is, like I said, and I told you this
57:37
before the show, coach, he can play in the post, he can
57:40
play on the wing, he finishes well around the realm, and he also
57:45
is a defensive guy, defensive minded player. So I'm by so I would
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love to see him in that black and gold, you know. And I
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think I think we can really build around him in the future, and I
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think he can he can help us go far. So just spitting that out
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there, I'm gonna say, I don't think you're hitting that. That's very
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clear. I think Hunter, I appreciate it. Man. I hope we
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can get you back here, you know. And and good luck coming going
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into the season. When do you guys start your training your off season training,
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Well, we got to figure out because it's different now without the three
58:20
week so without the three week period, we want to figure out how we
58:22
want to use our flex days, trying to do some shootouts, trying to
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do right after baseball gets done, so June starts, well, we'll try
58:30
to do some shootouts and then soon as school gets back started, we're you
58:35
know, lifting, running, and flex days every Friday. So really,
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as soon as school starts we start to get after it. All right,
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ladies and gentlemen, we appreciate your time. We're getting ready to get out
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